This is chavvy, that is chavvy. Fuck off with the use of chavvy

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AIBU?

All I seem to see lately is the word chavvy to describe names, items, clothes etc that people don't like.

So far names that aren't Arlo or Benedict, are double barreled or start with a K are chavvy.

Using Nanna is chavvy.

Wearing character clothing (children) is chavvy.

Everything is fucking chavvy. It makes me wonder what people think chavvy means? Am I the only one who has noticed this?

I knew this would be you as soon as I seen the title. wink grin

YANBU

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 22-May-13 13:50:36

You are right SP.
And it's used in such a derogatory way on here, they really mean common as muck of course, but don't dare to say it in those words.

OrlaKiely Wed 22-May-13 13:51:04

It's the modern equivalent of common I suppose.

It has its place (or a synonym has a place) but I'm not sure it will ever be inoffensive, because of what it means.

ENormaSnob Wed 22-May-13 13:51:29

I always thought chav meant more money than taste? Think Jordan or Danielle Westbrook etc.

I am a bit of a chav myself tbh, without the dosh though grin

CloudsAndTrees Wed 22-May-13 13:51:29

YABU. The word chavvy is very useful sometimes. It serves a purpose. I have no idea why such a simple word seems to provoke such strong reactions on MN. It's just a word.

Tee2072 Wed 22-May-13 13:51:54

So character clothing is only chavvy on children? I'm okay in my Micky Mouse shirt?

Thank god for that.*

*Note, I don't actually give a fuck if people think I'm chavvy. Or common as muck. Or whatever.

Clouds Useful when?

Chavvy = common = naff = not something my sort of person would do

ie = snobbery

pinkballetflats Wed 22-May-13 13:53:28

I've been wondering the same thing..how can a name, or a decision to wear a certain perfume, or having to claim benefits etc etc make one chavvy? Isn't "chavvy" about attitude - how you treat others, yourself etc?

Stereotyping a person just because of one aspect of their personality seems completely ridiculous.

I don't care what people are called, or wear etc..what I do care about is how they conduct themselves - a lack of manners/decency/respect/consideration etc would have me turning my back on that person...but a name? It's meaningless in the context of who someone is!

OrlaKiely Wed 22-May-13 13:53:50

I do think it has two meanings though

1. Loud, vulgar, non-u, unattractive and often rude/defiant as well (example: woman wearing white tracksuit walking down road announcing 'well I aint fuckin avin it' or somesuch in the course of a private conversation, although everyone can hear)

2. Aspirational, in the sense of someone buying a fake Tudor mansion in Essex, but not necessarily rude.

Tee I am unsure. You will have to go find out on the 'character clothes' thread. Its about children but you could ask about adults in them grin

Cakebaker35 Wed 22-May-13 13:54:08

The word chav originally stood for 'council house and violent' apparently! Charming. And yes really annoying and overused.

Fairylea Wed 22-May-13 13:54:42

I am far too chavvy for this thread.



smile

You're right. I hate it all too. It's just about superiority.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 22-May-13 13:55:14

What's wrong with using nanna?

Wishiwasanheiress Wed 22-May-13 13:55:32

I dislike its obvious 'us' (being so excellent and tasteful) and 'them' (cheap plebs) connotation.

I really quite resent it on mn. For me it brings all that's nasty from rl /school gates to here, somewhere for debate and enjoyment. Clutches pearls is as bad. Hideous term.

See, I thought the word Chav was just the English equivalent of Ned. Is that not the case then?

Either way, it is horrible to call a person "chavvy" for their clothes/name etc. I actually think that makes the person saying it look rather un-classy to be honest.

OrlaKiely Wed 22-May-13 13:55:56

It's not necessarily about superiority. It can be a defence, against what is commonly felt to be rather frightening behaviour or attributes.

Also I believe it derives from an old Romany term for 'child'

Quenelle Wed 22-May-13 13:56:18

YANBU I don't open baby name threads any more. I think they're horrible.

I hate the use of 'chavvy'. However, I am guilty of calling some things (such as personalised number plates) 'naff'. Is that just as bad? It's still judgy, just doesn't sound so hate-filled.

McKayz Wed 22-May-13 13:56:41

I hate it. I'm fed up of seeing my name described as Chavvy. A name can't be Chavvy.

kotinka Wed 22-May-13 13:56:45

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CloudsAndTrees Wed 22-May-13 13:57:24

When you are trying to describe one thing that is chavvy.

The only problem is that it means different things to different people, maybe depending on what area you are from.

OrlaKiely Wed 22-May-13 13:58:00

'Nanna' is fine imo

It's the word 'naaan' said in a Kentish drawl that depresses the hell out of me

because everyone I've ever known, referred to as 'Naaan' has been a wizened, smoking old lady with a questionable approach to childcare.

just personal experience - no offence to those with a perfectly nice Nan.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 22-May-13 13:58:47

Doesn't it come from Charver, they use in in the north East and in Romany families.

TooMany Apparently its chavvy and so is using any other name then grandmother.

I best tell my 92 year old great grandma shes chavvy hadn't I grin

pinkballetflats Wed 22-May-13 13:59:41

There's also a claim that CHAV might have come from the Cheltenham area from a particular college: Chav meaning Cheltenham Average on a scale of who was who when it came to dating men (I cannot for the life of me remember where I read that now, but the article noted that no one knows for sure where the term really originated)

Ezza1 Wed 22-May-13 14:00:46

I fucking hate the name Arlo.

Pretentious, snobby knobheads use the word chav/chavvy. It helps them feel superior.

I use "Gran" for my DGM, is that acceptable?

AmberLeaf Wed 22-May-13 14:01:08

In the context you describe OP, it basically means common so yeah, it is sneery and says more about the user of the term than who it is directed at.

YANBU.

TooManyDicksOnTheDancefloor Wed 22-May-13 14:01:12

Really sp, I'll also tell my 94 year old nanna she's a chav!

Bowlersarm Wed 22-May-13 14:01:26

Why does it worry you OP?

I'm sure we all do or wear something or other that is considered 'chavvy'.

My nan was anything but chavvy. A very nice middle-class lady, born in 1900. She wouldn't have known what chavvy was if it had leapt up and bit her. Think anti-macassars and everything polished to within an inch of its life, and you'll get the right idea.

everlong Wed 22-May-13 14:02:12

Using Nanna is chavvy?

I don't like Nanna. I'm granny ( even though it feels odd as I'm still in my forties ) but I think calling it chavvy is awful!

OrlaKiely Wed 22-May-13 14:02:24

I don't like the name Arlo either....but it seems it sometimes is a case of whether you're Arlo, or Harlow.

Not sure which side I come down on

Bowler Probably because OP's RL name is often described as chavvy on here. It does start to grate eventually.

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 22-May-13 14:02:47

I don't think it's used in any context other than common and lower class on MN though, whatever it originally meant.

kotinka Wed 22-May-13 14:02:56

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Bowler It doesn't worry me. I just don't get why people think saying something like the use of Nanna is chavvy just because they don't like it. It makes no sense.

DebsMorgan Wed 22-May-13 14:04:32

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LadyBeagleEyes Wed 22-May-13 14:04:35

M&S kotinka?
Surely you mean Macdonalds?

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 14:05:06

Yabu. It just translates to 'common and of questionable taste'. Chavs exist. I have seen them!

ExcuseTypos Wed 22-May-13 14:05:14

YANBU

Whenever I hear someone using it, I just think they are a judgey twat.

kotinka Wed 22-May-13 14:05:37

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melika Wed 22-May-13 14:05:39

Chavvy used to be 'common' in my day!

Property You might have seen them. The threads about using it to describe things people dont like such as the Nanna example or toddlers in character clothing.

ExcuseTypos Wed 22-May-13 14:06:35

But who says you're judgement of 'common and of questionable taste' is correct property?

DebsMorgan Wed 22-May-13 14:07:08

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badbride Wed 22-May-13 14:07:46

chavvy (adj): a person or thing that is ghastly or orange (or possibly both).

snob: (noun) : a person who congratulates themselves on being neither of the above.

grin

everlong Wed 22-May-13 14:08:08

Common and of questionable taste. Ha!

I think we should ban the chav word on MN.

It causes so much offence and upset to people.

People we are supposed to be friends with.

And the name threads!

Anyone who thinks I am a chav because I have a shit name is an idiot IMO.

ephemeralfairy Wed 22-May-13 14:09:59

I avoid using it. I have always understood the etymology to be rooted in the Romany word for child or youngster. Taking into account the current climate of increasing prejudice towards Romany and Traveller people, I prefer not to use the word 'chav' in a derogatory way.

Everlong I reported your post as I think that is a really good idea.

It's obviously harmless to lots of people on here but to others it really is like (and sometimes used as) a personal attack.

kotinka Wed 22-May-13 14:12:17

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dancingwithmyselfandthecat Wed 22-May-13 14:12:22

In my experience, people use chavvy to denote "anything two rungs below where I see myself on the social ladder and which I am scared that people might think of as something I would do unless I am rude about it." It denotes nothing more than the speaker's insecurity.

To wit, my university lecturer friend (vv wealthy family in a London townhouse intellectual way), uses it to refer to anyone who pays excessive attention to their physical appearance, particularly in a "girly" and lots of money way (eg long nails with transfer stickers on them, v high heels, lots of jewellery and ultra-straight hair). My former team assistant in my old job (left school after GCSEs, grew up on a council estate near Lincoln) used it to refer to people who flytipped their own front yards.

It is an absolutely horrible term.

GoodbyePorkPie Wed 22-May-13 14:12:30

YADNBU

Loathe this word. Smacks of sneery, scoffy snobbery. I should not click on baby names threads but I just can't help myself. Yesterday's (you know the one OP) was grim.

Bowlersarm Wed 22-May-13 14:12:45

OP I think Nanna is ok isn't it? What should it be Grandmama?? (Actually, I think all the English various names used for grandparents are pretty shocking in one way or other, but that's a whole different thread...)

All my children wore character clothes quite regularly, and I did know that a few of my friend didn't approve! (They remained friends though despite my chavviness, ha ha)

Chavvy actually always meant child/children
Untill somebody came up with the council house and violent theory.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 14:13:31

Chav is a subjective term.

I might find a private no. plate to be vey chav indeed but presumably the owner is really pleased with it and consider it £2k well spent.

Any person or object 'of questionable taste' can be termed a chav or chavvy. It is not that big a deal, imho.

YANBU I've said before its now used to mean common nod been to,d I have a chip on my shoulder hmm

Chav, particularly on mn, seems to be an all encompassing word meaning common, rough, déclassé, gauche, cheap, naff and all other sorts of things which are apparently acceptable to brand people because they aren't of your ilk.

You can live in a multi-million pound house, drive a Bentley, frequent all the fancy places you like but are still supposedly a chav and therefore your life automatically pales in comparison and you are beneath someone who doesn't eat frozen food or only allows their child, gender neutral Boden items.

That's what all these brands and names and things being 'naice'are all about, making people who aren't anything that special feel like they have something over on people outside the group. So you've got the Boden wearing Ruperts feeling very tasteful and superior, the chavs wearing juicy couture and feeling very expensive, the intellectuals who have spent all their money on books. It's tribalism and mn brings it out spectacularly because of keyboard warriors.

It's bollocks really, if most of us had the money of Coleen and Wayne we'd look like a big fat gypsy wedding on E.

Chavvy doesn't need banning. People just need to use it correctly or at least know what it means before using it.

Its like when kids learn a new word that everyone is saying yet have no ide what it means so just say it randomly so it makes no sense.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean its chavvy or poncy. You just don't like it.

Some things that people call chavvy are just mental and it proves people don't have a clue what it means.

kotinka Wed 22-May-13 14:15:17

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CherylTrole Wed 22-May-13 14:15:24

Whenever I hear the word chav I think of council estates, TOWIE, My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding, Cheryl Cole, Asda, Shameless, Skint, Eastenders, Poundland, Poundstretcher, Disney Princesses, Butlins, Magaluf , excessive fake tan, etc etc. The word chav doesnt bother me in the slightest!

everlong Wed 22-May-13 14:17:05

Cool schro.

It needs to be weedled out of our diction.

Nobody would dream of saying paki or retard. Thankfully now it's deemed as totally offensive.

And I think somewhere down the line chav will fall into that category.

People have feelings and referring to their dc's names, clothes, toys etc as chavvy is hurtful.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 14:17:08

Agree that crazy bright orange fake tan streaked on the knuckles and the knees is chav. You could say 'is ridiculous' or 'is ugly looking' instead I suppose.

Chav round my endz isn't a good thing. Money doesn't come into it. Its attitude, behaviour etc. No one wants to be called a chav here.

kotinka Wed 22-May-13 14:18:02

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HumphreyCobbler Wed 22-May-13 14:18:12

It is a vile word.

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 14:18:24

It was funny that everyone sneering at Coleen and Wayne's new baby's name yesterday was very careful to avoid the C-word.

But that's what the nasty, envious little snobs meant.

Sneering at a newborn babies name is low

Chav here would be "Ned", a violent criminal thug basically.

I do not like being referred to as being like this one bit.

Everlong I totally agree with that, to some of us (probably area dependant) it is very hurtful.

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 14:20:52

When people say

Sorry but, if you go ahead with that decision to [insert offence here] people will think you are a chav

All I hear is

Sorry but, I'm letting you know I am an absolute cunt so you can avoid any future encounters with me

everlong Wed 22-May-13 14:21:14

Lol at envious little snobs!

A lot has to do with taste. Some people love a certain type of name and others can't stand it. That's life.

dancingwithmyselfandthecat Wed 22-May-13 14:22:07

property, it is a big deal because equating "questionable taste" (an entirely subjective judgment) with "chavvy" (term denoting scum and implying a level of objectivity) is a nasty and horrible leap to make about someone.

We tell kids that they shouldn't base judgments on ethnic stereotypes, age, disability. And yet using language which condemns anybody who happens to have a taste you don't like in such a way is apparently acceptable.

Just realise I typed 'endz' and no one pointed it out! grin That's saved in my dictionary from a texting a friend.

Sparklypinknails Wed 22-May-13 14:22:42

YANBU. I get the impression people use it to replace "that is so common" because they know it they say that, they'll get jumped on and for some reason chavvy doesn't get that reaction :/

kotinka Wed 22-May-13 14:22:47

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JenaiMorris Wed 22-May-13 14:23:54

"Blingy" is a better term for non-standard reg plates, permatans and the like.

Calling others 'chavs' just makes people look like twats. It is rare that someone doesn't go down in my estimations when they do.

GoodbyePorkPie Wed 22-May-13 14:24:55

HoneyDragon grin

ExcuseTypos Wed 22-May-13 14:26:31

You're right sparklyPink.

I always imagine people as a kind of Hyacinth Bucket character when words like Chav, common, etc get rolled out.

JenaiMorris Wed 22-May-13 14:27:01

The baby name threads are revolting.

Weegiemum Wed 22-May-13 14:27:53

I don't think chav = ned, though.

Ned is pretty subjective too, and possibly the worst thing you could call my 11 yo ds at the moment!

ExcuseTypos Wed 22-May-13 14:28:44

If someone on MN said "you're a Chav" I wonder if it would be deleted? It would be interesting to know where MNHQ stand on it.

I know if someone called me a Chav, and I responded with my honest opinion of them- that they were a twat, I know I would be deleted.

Isn't saying things are 'pretentious' 'posh' 'snobby' etc just as bad?

JenaiMorris Wed 22-May-13 14:30:08

grin HoneyDragon

I understand on MN not everyone will have the same opinion. It would be boring otherwise but the use of chav to describe something you simply dont like is wrong imo.

Same goes for the word poncy.

I dont know why anyone mentions their children's names on here because someone will rip that name apart grin

everlong Wed 22-May-13 14:30:26

Good point typo.

I doubt mnhq will ban the word chav though.

DebsMorgan Wed 22-May-13 14:30:28

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everlong Wed 22-May-13 14:32:22

I'd rather be called poncy than chavvy.

angusandelspethsthistlewhistle Wed 22-May-13 14:32:22

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TeWiSavesTheDay Wed 22-May-13 14:32:57

I hate it too. It's a really vicious word, wtf people use it all, let alone to describe totally inoffensive names, clothes etc, puddles me off.

It's totally ruined the baby names section. It's worse than AIBU in there.

Posh is not an offensive word hmm

Everything is deemed as chavvy though. I probably breathe in a chavvy way

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 14:39:50

everlong that thread was designed as a sneer-fest, though the OP didn't have the guts to call a spade a spade. Perhaps I would have admired her if she had.

I don't know if you replied and what you said, but it attracted people who envy two young, rich, working class Liverpudlians like flies to shit.

In that respect I found it quite useful.

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 14:41:08

It basically just means working class, doesn't it. Used by those who are obsessed with class, money and what other people think of them. The Hyacinth Buckets of this world.

Horrid, snobby, nasty word and totally agree with HoneyDragon if I notice someone using it I will add them to my mental list of posters to avoid.

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 14:41:56

Sorry everlong I think I misunderstood you.

<red mist clears>

I didn't expect so many others to agree after seeing it mentioned so many times

everlong Wed 22-May-13 14:45:47

I'm not sure limited
I think sometimes it just boils down to personal taste.

Had they called their new baby Cassius or Henry or Oscar I would have said ' lovely name ' because that's my type of name choice.

I'm not keen on the spelling and think it would look better with a C.

But I hope the chav word wasn't used on that thread.

Ceraunia Wed 22-May-13 14:47:13

It's a horrible term, I definitely judge those using it. And nobody seems to be able to agree on what it means exactly. I've heard vulgar, common, lower class...to name but a few.

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 14:47:24

Maybe it should be reclaimed? Like the n word and use of cunt by feminists. Wtf is wrong with being working class? Is it something so awful to be ashamed of?

I can't claim to be working class by virtue of having been to Uni and going into a professional career, but my family certainly were historically. I'd rather be working class than a rich entitled snob any day. Yes I realise that class snobbery goes both ways

MorrisZapp Wed 22-May-13 14:48:39

OP, are you new to MN? The use of the word chav and it's perceived offensiveness has been debated many, many times on here.

MorrisZapp Wed 22-May-13 14:50:28

Vinegar, do you think that the people who use the word chav tend to be rich and entitled? I've always thought it was used mainly by the working class to describe the so called underclass.

Chav was used on one of the many Rooney threads.

Everyone has different taste. My name here though is chavvy, common etc. My surname on the other hand is mentioned often on the 'surnames I'd love to have' threads.

My name is actually a normal name popular it seems in the early 90's but here its terrible grin My sons name was also ripped to shreds. First for the K then for been an Irish name when I wasn't Irish.

Morris No I am not new. Guess I'm not as recognisable in my new disguise sad grin

wonderingagain Wed 22-May-13 14:51:51

And fruit shoots and Greggs sausage rolls...
It's absolute pure snobbery in its finest form.

Ceraunia Wed 22-May-13 14:51:52

"I've always thought it was used mainly by the working class to describe the so called underclass."

I've always thought similar.

Fillyjonk75 Wed 22-May-13 14:54:04

It's just a label. Ned, townie, hooray, sloane. It doesn't translate to working class.

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 14:54:21

No, I think it's used by middle class people who are desperately bothered by keeping up with the Jones' and what so-and-so's neighbour's dog thinks of them.

Fillyjonk75 Wed 22-May-13 14:55:42

Fine to be snobby about low level criminality, thuggery and anti-social behaviour AFAIC.

What does AFAIC mean? blush

Fillyjonk75 Wed 22-May-13 14:57:00

As Far As I'm Concerned. Common internet acronym.

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 14:57:48

How can you tell if someone has a tendency towards anti social behaviour or criminality from their name though?

Bowlersarm Wed 22-May-13 14:58:10

I have never heard the expression 'ned' before in a derogatory way, is it regional. It was one of my boys names we didn't use in the end-should I be glad that we didn't??

burberryqueen Wed 22-May-13 14:58:23

oh my son started to be known as 'chav' in about year 3, usually by those of the floppy surfer hairdo ....it was the short blonde hair that did it...it was just shorthand for 'poorer than us' in their tiny minds i think.

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 14:58:27

And if you're disapproving of someone be cause of their criminality, why bring class into it?

I've seen it about but never asked.

Its a word that people use to try 'fit in' imo

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 14:59:03

I'm not going to give my opinion on either of the names chosen by the Rooneys everlong because if I cheered or sneered it wouldn't affect them in a major way but it might hurt someone here who has chosen that name or something similar.

Similarly some MN-friendly names don't concur with my personal taste, just as I wouldn't give houseroom to many of the brands raved about on here.

I'm secure in my opinion but have enough self-awareness to know that sometimes expressing it makes you look like a cunt.

wonderingagain Wed 22-May-13 14:59:06

I heard a pair of bankers use the term recently, it's not a working class term any more.

DebsMorgan Wed 22-May-13 15:00:05

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Fillyjonk75 Wed 22-May-13 15:00:42

You can't of course, anymore than say that Andrew or Peter might be fine upstanding members of the community.

But some names come with more baggage than others, you must admit. Tarquin is a hooray name, Chardonnay is a chav name.

JenaiMorris Wed 22-May-13 15:01:27

I've heard plenty upper middleclass kids use it.

This particular brand of twattery knows no bounds when it comes to class.

Whats a hooray name? Haven't heard that term

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 15:01:49

Given that most MNers who use the word chav tend (IME) to be on the Arlo side of the Arlo/Harlow division, I think any notion of it being used purely by working class people is erroneous.

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 15:02:55

I think she means a hurrah Henry, which is quite an old turn of phrase to describe someone posh - Tim nice but dim

GoodbyePorkPie Wed 22-May-13 15:03:29

It's definitely used by the middle class, as a way of distancing themselves from perceived 'chaviness'.

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 15:03:32

So what do you mean when you use chav Filly ? Working class aka "common"?

Bowlersarm Wed 22-May-13 15:03:45

'Hooray Henry' = posh

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 15:04:33

Chav used to be very much a Southern word from my experience, is it not anymore?

Thank you.

I would like to know what 'chav' actually means to people? As mentioned where I live its not something you want to be called

Fillyjonk75 Wed 22-May-13 15:05:34

Back at sixth form college the townies were the kids who looked like they were in East 17. They probably called us goths/hippies/grungers or much worse. In the 1980s chavs were "casuals".

Owl I'm in Leeds and its been used up here since I was a child

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 15:06:07

do you say hooray henry? I have always thought it was Hoorah or hurah as I wrote in my earlier post grin

It's funny really because Henry would still have been a name used by the working classes anyway, my Granddad was called Henry for example and he was a milkman

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 15:07:02

how old are you Sps? <nosey> I had never heard it until I moved to Kent (10 years ago) It certainly was never used in my part of the Midlands

I'm 22

I was called a chav for wearing my adidas popper trackies by my cousins who had a mother who wouldn't let them have any and they had to wear school type trousers in after school. They were obviously jealous grin

EleanorFarjeon Wed 22-May-13 15:10:04

My 14 yr old & his mates use the word chavvy.

They use it to describe a dodgy type, ie a local kid that smokes & hangs around with known trouble makers is called a chav.

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 15:10:43

Yes scally or townie was the equivalent when I was a teenager (i'm 29) - still nasty, snobby terms referring to the working classes but more about clothes than anything else, chav has become a much more all encompassing term IME.

Fillyjonk75 Wed 22-May-13 15:11:07

Hoorays usually take up more space than the average human being, think they are god's gift to the earth and that everyone should hear the particular point they are braying. There was a definite hooray family on holiday last year who somehow managed to take up the entire swimming pool between the four of them. Probably thought they were more entitled to it than others. A particular kind of anti-social behaviour. No spatial awareness.

Bowlersarm Wed 22-May-13 15:11:19

owl I think there are several names that are used by both aristocrats and the working class like Henry, Charlie, George possibly. Possibly because for a long time working classes named their children along royalty lines.

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 15:14:23

22? you are a bayyyybeeee

Dont be ageist now owl grin

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 15:16:09

oh not this again grin

Sparklypinknails Wed 22-May-13 15:16:48

Where we live it seems to be used mainly to describe people like the ones stereotyped on that "Skint" programme on channel 4. I've heard it also used to describe people who have money but the person describing them has decided they have no taste when they spend it. So basically is seems to be used when the person using it wants to feel like they above the "chavvy" person.

And I'm jealous SP! I had the stripes but no poppers envy

Oh my name is chavvy apparently.
And my sons name is a "bad boys" name.
And my daughters name is not only made up,but also a cruel name to give a child? Apparently.

Do I give a fuck? Nope.
But I agree SP that there are some truly bizarre things that are called chavvy on here.

Fillyjonk75 Wed 22-May-13 15:18:27

I've heard it also used to describe people who have money but the person describing them has decided they have no taste when they spend it.

That's "new money". Very new money.

JenaiMorris Wed 22-May-13 15:19:44

"Casual" wasn't an insult in the 80s.

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 15:22:00

see I can't stand all the snobbery surrounding nouveau rich either

Sparkly Yes I had the poppers. I had the black with the bright orange stripes. Style! grin

Tantrums How nutty is saying Nanna is chavvy? Or anything over then grandmother is chavvy?

Hyperhelpmum Wed 22-May-13 15:24:17

When I was young I hated being called posh for calling it supper not tea and for going to boarding school. It's never nice to be called names in a negative way whatever the name is.

Hyperhelpmum Wed 22-May-13 15:26:55

Ps the nanna thing is because a nanny was someone you paid to look after your child not a respected and adored grandparent. I don't think it's chav whatever that means but it's not what I grew up using and my children don't use it either. It's like loo and toilet. Just some people say one thing some say another. Does not make them better or worse, it's just what you have been taught to say isn't it?

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 15:27:35

Hyperhelpmum, I was called posh at school because we had a utility room shock

What is a Ned?

Hyperhelpmum Wed 22-May-13 15:29:58

Lol owl lady!!!! No one ever saw my house as at boarding school and lived abroad. How sad is that? (weeps at neglected childhood in posh boarding school!)

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 15:30:28

Ned is a Scottish term meaning practically the same thing

Hyper It was just nanna. It was anything other the grandmother. My great grandma of 92 years old goes by a unusual name due to some circumstances when my grandad was a child. Everyone calls her this, her children, grandchild, friends etc. But apparently shes chavvy grin

Hyperhelpmum Wed 22-May-13 15:33:05

Well that's crap as in RL you would prob say I was 'posh' and we use granny which is very acceptable to PLU (people like us- a term used by snobby people to say oooo she isn't very PLU) makes me chortle! Call your darling nanna what you like and fuck em! Does that now make me a chav?!!

I shouldn't worry SP. People on here have said nasty things about 4x4 drivers with personalised number plates, but do I take offence? Oh no, not me.

JerseySpud Wed 22-May-13 15:34:08

By your list i am the ultimate chav.

I can't wait to tell my DH later grin

Hyper Granny?! Yes I guess it does make you one grin

Exit I am yet to experience that. But if the day comes where I can afford a 4x4 and a personalized plate I will be doing a dignified two finger salute to them as I sat in it grin

Hyperhelpmum Wed 22-May-13 15:36:57

Exit I think personalised number plates are deemed chavvy as it is considered an unnecessary show of cash/status (very frowned upon by the PLU brigade) again, if you have the cash and want to, who the hell cares?!

Bowlersarm Wed 22-May-13 15:40:05

So if the OP was in Scotland would this thread be:

'This is ned, that is ned. Fuck off with the use of neddy?

Is that how it works?

Everything is chavvy on MN.

Hyperhelpmum Wed 22-May-13 15:41:00

Granny is actually what most poshos call their grandmothers, even the queen is granny I believe?!!!! My granny grew up on India !! I bloody love her, still sinks a stiff G and T at 6 every evening!

Bowler grin Maybe so

Damnautocorrect Wed 22-May-13 15:43:02

I thought the term Chav originated from Chatham Kent?

Damnautocorrect Wed 22-May-13 15:44:43

I think some people on mn basically describe anything they wouldn't do / want to aspire to do as chavy. Rather than a difference of tastes

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 15:46:39

SP I think you need to understand something.when we refer to your age, we are not being ageist. We are being condesending. grin

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 15:48:43

<cough> condescending has a second c in it wink

No we are not. We are being jealous

DadOnIce Wed 22-May-13 15:50:09

"Council house and violent" is an urban myth. Surprised it keep being trotted out. The most usually accepted origin of the word is that it comes from the Romany word "chavi" meaning "child".

Nothing to do with Chatham, either. Or "Cheltenham average"!

All these other derivations are backformed and wrong.

Wanksock Wed 22-May-13 15:50:28

Scottish here and yes things can be 'neddy'. Most heard used in terms of 'a group of neds' - think tracksuits and bottles of cider outside the coop!

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 15:50:29

Oh and I don't think the word Chav itself is the issue on Mnet.

It's the people who precede with

Dare I say it, chavvy

And

<<whispers>> chavvy

That should be eliminated from posts. wink

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 15:52:08

Dude. I can't spell and wait for a bus grin it's too hard

DadOnIce Wed 22-May-13 15:52:17

Have to agree that what you call your grandmother - or what their children call theirs - does seem to be fraught with social difficulty and people will read class indications into it.

DadOnIce Wed 22-May-13 15:52:28

what your children call theirs I mean.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 15:53:16

Chavvy is just shorthand for common IMO. Not particularly nasty, just a bit snobby. In the same way that people talk about yummy mummys, hooray henrys, hipsters etc From what OP has posted she would probably seem a bit chavvy to me, but no doubt I would be considered snobby, poncy and pretentious by many on this thread. Who cares what other people think? If you really care about the judgement of others that much, I would suggest you are not all that happy in how you do things?

From what OP has posted she would probably seem a bit chavvy to me

Depends on what Chavvy means to you?

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 15:57:23

The personalised plate prejudice baffles me.

I know someone who has the plates 50 53XY and D0 53X on a Ferrari 458 and a Bugatti Veyron. If I was still young and single he wouldn't be my choice of a long term bet but I might go out with him if he asked. It might be fun.

But many of the most expensive plates are from the early 20th century and are one or two letters and a number. I believe the Queen Mother and Prince Charles owned them. Are they chavs?

DadOnIce Wed 22-May-13 15:58:00

People have started to use it as shorthand for "common". Anyone wearing the wrong kind of clothes is called "chavvy", as is anyone who reads the Sun or has a child called Jayden-Kayden. That's not what it meant originally. It meant people with flaunted money and designer goods, but with no taste or class - think Wayne and Waynetta Slob after they win the lottery, or the kind of medallion-wearing chic parodied by comic Welsh hip-hopsters Goldie Lookin' Chain.

If you really care about the judgement of others that much, I would suggest you are not all that happy in how you do things?

I'm perfectly fine as I am but that's for the concern confused I have said already I dont care about judgement. Its about the word chavvy been used by people who actually have no idea what it means and are using it to describe things which are mental.

I'm not one to give a shit about what people think.

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 16:02:59

oh god, honeydragon is waiting for a bus

don't speak to anyone on the bus!

DadOnIce Wed 22-May-13 16:03:24

I didn't know what the Rooney child was called and had to look it up. Oh, good grief.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:04:34

As I said, to me chavvy is shorthand for common. I don't personally associate it with poor behaviour, though some do. When talking about the judgement of others I was speaking about people in general though I can see why You thought I was talking about you OP.

Dadonice - the OED doesn't agree with you! I think that's slang it prob has various origins and meanings to different people.

usualsuspect Wed 22-May-13 16:05:06

People on MN who use the word Chav, really mean WC.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:05:11

Sp -what do you think chavvy means?

DadOnIce Wed 22-May-13 16:06:52

The problem with the OED definition is that it is allowed to be retrospective. So if they find a reference to it being from Chatham - even if that's just a mention on a website - and it can be corroborated by another source, it will go down as a "possible definition" even when this may have come after the event. I know how these things work. I used to watch "Balderdash and Piffle." smile

Goal I assumed you meant me about the judgement after saying the OP seemed chavvy to you. I've lready said what chavvy is to me. Its the attitude and behaviour. Its not something people want to be called.

usualsuspect Wed 22-May-13 16:09:13

I think describing someone as common is as offensive as calling someone a Chav.

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 16:10:02

The taste v class thing is nonsense.

Lots of middle England-approved brands are are triumph of style over substance and represent very poor value for money.

Conversely many bling-tastic brands are extremely good value in terms of raw materials and manufacture relative to their eventual cost.

It all depends on what you want the product to do and whether you have the money to spare.

I wouldn't dream of shattering MN-etters' dreams by shitting on some of their treasured and shoddy brands.

<Wayne and Coleen own some really nice stuff>

<Get over it>

Usual I'm common it seems. So be it

thegreylady Wed 22-May-13 16:12:13

I thought chav came from the Romany word for child.

Common. Working class. Chavvy. Lives in a council house.

It all means the same thing. On here anyway.
Happily I am 3 out of 4. And many people think I am chavvy due to my name/my children's names. So Full house.

I doubt that's what chavvy actually means. I doubt you can judge am entire persons character based upon their children's names, what they call their Nan's but I read some threads on here and think I'd rather be common/chavvy/working class/live in a council house than be a MC, snobby judgemental twat that gets so worked up over character clothing and names.

People try so hard these days to be middle class, its really hilarious. I guess when someones says `oh no, I couldnt` name pfb {whatever name}` or wear certain clothes, dress their house in a specific way etc what they are trying to scream is, `look at me, I`m middle class dont you know`.

MC they are not, they are actually TC [twat class] Anyone using chav or common as an insult are really rather stupid.

usualsuspect Wed 22-May-13 16:15:38

The MC wear their uniform of Boden,White Stuff,Joules Hunter wellies etc.

just different labels, not so different from the supposed Chav labels really.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:15:53

Why is it offensive? People have different tastes, people choose what they like? Some people won't like choices? I obviously like mychoices, otherwise I would have chosen something different! Why care what others think?

Twat class

^^ grin

X post! Not calling Goal that grin

Fedupofdiets Wed 22-May-13 16:17:39

I'm chavvy apparently as dd had Mar as her middle name! shock

Goal Its not about caring what people think. Its about how they are using the word chavvy. It makes no sense. It it was a caring I'd be questioning you as to why you think I'm common but I'm not as I don't care.

Fedupofdiets Wed 22-May-13 16:18:11

Mae even!

ZZZenagain Wed 22-May-13 16:18:40

I agree with usualsuspect that chav is said when working class is meant, as if to say working class = no class, tacky. You can also get away with saying chav where common would make you look bad.

I hate it too. I actually don't see the big scandal in being or looking or acting working class tbh.

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 16:18:58

The MC wear their uniform of Boden,White Stuff,Joules Hunter wellies etc.

<<Clears throat>>

<<Adds Brora, Karen Millen, White Company...>>

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:20:37

Oh. I don't mind! Like I said, I like my stuff and you like yours. Doesn't mean we couldn't be friends, colleagues, relatives whatever! Half my family are old school country posh, the other side are chavvy, love them both the same

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 16:21:33

<<charles tywhitt, Thomas Pink, Hilditch and Key>>

My typing is atrocious today!

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 16:22:14

I have to say I don't know anyone IRL who wears Boden and the like, despite hanging out with mainly middle class folk. Either it's a MN thing or maybe they are a subset of upper middle class?

My sister's boyfriend did the Eton/Oxford thang and his Dad has an "estate" castle in Scotland but wears M&S jeans and mainly shops in charity shops. They drive a battered 20 year old Volvo.

MatersMate Wed 22-May-13 16:22:57

I don't think chav means WC does it?! I thought it was all sovereign rings and burberry? <<<<couldn't give a fuck either way, it's meant as a put down based on appearances, which makes it invalid in my book>>>>>

usualsuspect Wed 22-May-13 16:23:32

There is no shame in being WC. I refuse to be looked down on or made to feel inferior because of where I live.where I work or my educational background.

To me the word Chav is mocking all I am.

I know that sounds like my chip ,but that's how I feel.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:23:51

Sp - what contexts are people using it in that make no sense? Most of the stuff on this thread seems to be about taste,where IMO it makes sense.

Limited period- KarenMillen def got a touch of theTOWIE IMO

DadOnIce Wed 22-May-13 16:25:09

It doesn't just mean working-class. That's the point. People misuse it that way, and when enough people misuse something it eventually start to become the accepted "right" way (see also the abuse of words like "enormity" and "fulsome"). But it's not right.

Viviennemary Wed 22-May-13 16:25:10

It's only another word for common. Which has been in use for years.

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 16:25:53

I have no idea who or what any of the things in your post are, limited - I have no idea what that makes me?!

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:26:06

Usual - you say that you won't be looked down on,so why let a word bother you?

rainbowfeet Wed 22-May-13 16:26:35

I thought the origin of the word "chav" was a traveller term but used as a term of endearment??!! Like "hello me old chav"!!

I could be wrong though!

Saying that Nanna is chavvy or toddler in character clothing? That does not make sense. Saying I dont like it yes, fair enough but saying chavvy? confused

People have different tastes. I'm not keen on the baby names most MNetters are such as Ptolemy but I don't say 'oh that's chavvy' or 'poncy'. I say its not my style but each to their own.

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 16:27:09

It means anything "obviously" working class, in a sneery derogatory way.

Well, that's my understanding of its usage, anyway!

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:27:59

Dadonice- it is a slang word with no singe accepted definition so it is not a case of people using it correctly or incorrectly

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 16:28:37

vinegar your sister's boyfriend and his dad not only look like crap but are the enemies of the consumer-led revival of the economy wink

Because it is a word that is used as a put down.
And it is used instead of common. Or working class.

That's why it upsets me anyway. Sorry usual I didn't mean to speak for you grin

But whilst it doesn't bother me that I am common or working class, I very much object to people making a judgement on my character based on where I live or what my sons name is.

coffeewineandchocolate Wed 22-May-13 16:29:15
coffeewineandchocolate Wed 22-May-13 16:29:48

that Is the official definition....

SacreBlue Wed 22-May-13 16:30:00

Everyone judges. Everyone bet you are in fact reading this right now thinking 'fuck her what does she know' or 'too right' or even 'meh'

Whether we stick a general term on it or not we are judging all the time - eg you are judging everyone using chavvy? Make you chavvy? Make you 'middle class' (in the inverted commas so many use that term in) or toffs, or 'lefty liberals', or 'right wing nutters'?

It's just a term of 'not so much' endearment, not really worthy of getting your knickers, pants, thongs, boxers, y-fronts under garments in a twist over.

DadOnIce Wed 22-May-13 16:31:53

All words have a definition, slang or not. As the OED definition linked to by coffee above shows, it's not just about being 'common' or WC - there is the "bling" or designer clothes element. Chavviness was always about being in-yer-face and flashy.

usualsuspect Wed 22-May-13 16:32:02

I do care that people write me and my children off as common or chavvy.

The implications go so much wider than MN.

hamdangle Wed 22-May-13 16:32:17

Dancingwithmycat had it right earlier in the thread when she said that people think chavvy is anything two rungs below where I see myself on the social ladder and which I am scared that people might think of as something I would do unless I am rude about it." It denotes nothing more than the speaker's insecurity.

Anyone who sneers at another person because of their taste dies so out of insecurity. The poster who started the names thread yesterday sneered at names that are actually quite common and no one really bats an eyelid at. They had then started another thread with a list of names that they liked that some people would think were a bit over the top or pretentious. It's like using your kids as a way of saying 'look I'm middle class, honest!' When the truth is that anyone in any way decent couldn't give a shit if you call your kid Chardonnay Mae or Lucius Agamemnon.

And I'm sure Colleen Rooney lies on the beach on her fifth Caribbean holiday of year really giving a hairy shit what mumsnet thinks of her choice of baby names.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:32:24

Nan is more common, that say grandma, but that s a very strange one as you say! Young children dressed in overtly branded/character clothing is chavvy IMO as I said its a matter of taste. I think it is vulgar,same as babies with pierced ears. Just my opinion though, I wouldn't expect others to like the childrens clothes I like, if they did the wouldn't doubt buy them!

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 16:33:13

stereotypes of people are just lazy

My MIL lives ina council house. She buys her food shopping in M&S and her clothes from jaegar!

Goal That's what I mean. The term chavvy is been used to describe things that people just simply dont like. I dont like alot of thing other MNetters seem to rave about but I wouldn't use chavvy as it makes no sense

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 16:34:32

Stay away from those things vinegar. Trust me, they're a waste of money and will make you look like a dafty.

goal Yess!! What's your opinion on Eve Lom, Dermatologica and assorted Space NK gloop?

I think I might have given away my feelings there.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:35:27

Tantrumsandballons - as anyone said anything about character? I certainly wouldn't judge your character.

everlong Wed 22-May-13 16:35:57

I thought Nanna was the woman's mother and granny was the mans mother?

Limited what are they? confused

I went into Hollister for the first time the other week. Never again! It was dark and I choked on the perfume or mist or whatever it is they soray on the air.

Everlong No idea. I just called all grandmothers Nanna. They didn't like grandma.

Everlong No idea. I just called all grandmothers Nanna. They didn't like grandma.

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 16:37:58

My Mom (yes Mom, WMids)is Nanny and my MIL is Grandma
My Gran is Gran (Mum's Mum) bloody nightmare getting a card with Gran on it I tell you

usualsuspect Wed 22-May-13 16:40:16

My DGC call me a made up nickname, I think that made me common as well.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:40:22

Sp- no its not just things people don't like. I don't like Japanese food, but wouldn't call it chavvy, I would call KFC chavvy.

SilverOldie Wed 22-May-13 16:40:36

YABU. Chav is a good word to describe some people, names, things. Ie Kai and Klay Rooney are chav names, just as their parents are chavs.

It has absolutely nothing to do with class, there are chavs in both working and middle classes.

How can a fast food place be chavvy? confused

Heartbrokenmum73 Wed 22-May-13 16:41:10

This thread is really interesting!

I'm 39, grew up in a very working-class household (with very little money, clothes all second-hand, etc) in a very run-down part of Birmingham, but weirdly my family was viewed as 'posh' in the local area because a) we were a solid family unit, b) my parents were happily married, 3) there was no domestic violence (as in the majority of other local families, 4) me and my siblings had manners and did well at school and 5) there were no drugs/alcohol issues. My friend's family was seen as 'posh' for the same reasons. Consequently, me, my siblings, my friend and her sisters were bullied and picked on until well into our teens.

Today, I have 3 dc of my own, all polite, well-mannered and do really well at school. There is still very little money in our house, we struggle on a weekly basis. I would view my family as working-class still. I do wonder where my family sits on the chav scale.

I really don't think it is a working-class thing. I'm damned proud of my roots. My Dad was a staunch socialist when I was a kid, very supportive of the Miner's Strike (I was on marches at 10) and worker's rights. He was also involved in the court case to make busking legal. We had fuck all money or material stuff, but we had morals and values.

I'm not sure where my ramble is going actually...

Heartbrokenmum73 Wed 22-May-13 16:41:53

There you go, question answered, I LOVE KFC - I'm a Chav!!!

Usual My 92 two year old great grandma has a made up name so you can be common and chavvy with her if you want?

silver whats a chav to you?

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:42:48

Limitedperiod- I love all that shit! Total sucker for a nicely packaged moisturiser Overpriced pretentious face gloop, count me in!

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:43:42

Fast foodplaces are by their nature chavvy!

So are people that enter those places 'chavvy' by association?

MummytoMog Wed 22-May-13 16:45:12

Gosh, you can't combine Lucius and Agamemnon. Don't be silly. It would have to be Lucius Junius Brutus, or Lucius Caesar or Menelaus Agamemnon or Agamemnon Atreus.

I so wanted to give DD Iolanthe as a middle name. Sigh.

usualsuspect Wed 22-May-13 16:45:33

Why are the Rooneys chavs,Silver?

usualsuspect Wed 22-May-13 16:46:20

Why is KFC chavvy?

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:46:22

Good question! I would say that going there is a fairly chavvy thing to do! That said the crispy coating does taste good!!!

Usual Because they gave their children K names that aren't the MN norm it seems. If I was them I'd happily be a chav! I'd be chavving it up on my 8 holidays a year

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 16:47:23

I am about to take my lot to McDonalds smile

Goal Have you entered a fast food palvw? Do you in fact have 'chavvy' tendencies? grin

Heartbrokenmum73 Wed 22-May-13 16:48:08

Oooooh, we went to McDonald's on Monday! grin

Place**

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 22-May-13 16:49:36

Your name would be SPKliff if you were proper chavvy SP.

D0oinMeCleanin Wed 22-May-13 16:50:09

Food is chavvy? confused

Only fast food or all kinds of food? What about fish and chips? Is that chavvy? Or Thai?

Can home made food be chavvy? Like mice and dumps? Or macaroni and cheese?

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 16:52:05

Yo Sushi & Pret a manger - middle class fast food, so chav-lite?

D0oin I'm glad I'm not the only one confused by that.

usualsuspect Wed 22-May-13 16:52:22

What about pizza express?

dawntigga Wed 22-May-13 16:52:24

I called a piece of furniture in Ikea tacky today whilst talking to the cub, just as somebody came up behind me looking for the number for it. It wasn't my taste, she tutted and stomped off. It's still tacky, it's a chest of drawers and it coated in a mirror finish silver stuff and fugly.

I have neighbours who are common, yes, it is judgemental but when you take a sweep to see when they take their bins in and the only thing they grow in their front gardens are fag ends it becomes a bit wearing. Also, one day last year I ran upstairs saying to Mr Tigga that one set of the neighbours car had been broken into, there was stuff everywhere and the car doors were open in the rain. I was really worried, Mr Tigga said they hadn't been broken into and wait, 5 minutes later Mr Neighbour came out and started searching through the wet piles of stuff on the floor for school uniform for their child to wear to school THAT DAY. Really, it makes it hard not to put on the judging pants.

I honestly don't care about perceived social class/money stuff like that just take a small amount of pride in where you live and how you live.

KnowsTheBepanthenBoxIsStillOnTheGrassAtTheFrontAsItHasBeenFor2WeeksTiggaxx

Mice. Very chavvy

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 16:53:24

Sorry Vinegar. Pink and Hilditch and Key are men's shirt companies with a Jermyn Street presence which is a famous shirt street. It's all about having the money to have the premises. Not the product.

Tyhrwitt isn't even that. It's a mail order company but it was founded by a posh bloke. Like Boden.

They're poor, overpriced products that people go for because how are you supposed to know?

Can you tell yet that I'm obsessed with brands? Male or female, clothes or whatever? grin

ps DH recommends M&S shirts in blue. Suit everyone regardless of skin colour. Good price. Wash well.

But that's not chavvy Tigua, that is just sad.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:54:35

Of course! Like I said its not a bad thing IMO. Most people don't fit into one stereotype! Like I said I think that there are certain chavvy things people do but that wouldn't make me think that they were 'chavs' in any sort of a negative way.

Does this mean my take aways are chavvy? shock

usualsuspect Wed 22-May-13 16:57:41

Dominoes takeaway might be chavvy.

Indian takeaway probably ok.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:58:39

Junk food chavvy, home made food generally not! Pizza express naice, pizza hut chavvy! Honey dragon on the money with yo sushi and pret a manger! Middle class fast food - not chavvy!

Goal Wed 22-May-13 16:59:33

Usualsuspect-bingo!

Chavvy food. I've heard it all now

Goal Wed 22-May-13 17:00:27

Weird exception for fish and chips which should be chavvy but is in fact old school (I am being tongue in cheek)

GoodbyePorkPie Wed 22-May-13 17:03:56

This thread is a real eye opener. I never knew that KFC or mice were chavvy.

Who gets to decide these things? Can I join their committee?

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 17:04:04

goal and SP I'm quite aged but still use cheap teenage stuff. I can't get 10-0-6 any more (you've probably never heard of that sp but it was brown and mostly alcohol) but Clean and Clear works for me.

I am gorgeous and dewy and don't have a profile picture grin.

GoodbyePorkPie Wed 22-May-13 17:05:13

I've got that 'Takeaway Secrets' book and the other week I made the KFC chicken in it - at home, in my own oven.

Is that chavvy?

But chav is a negative expression. Isn't it? Unless I've missed the whole point and chav is a term of endearment.

My sons name is chavvy. It tops the list of chav names, it even made it on to a list of "naughty boy names"
So people therefore think I am a chav. People think I am common. I am WC, if that is another word for common here, I don't even know anymore.

I like KFC, I don't understand why that's chavvy. Because chavvy people go there?
I used to let my DCs wear clothes with characters on them. Because they liked them. I discovered today that is common and chavvy.
I have 2 chavvy dogs. I didn't know that until I joined mumsnet.
I live on a council eastate. Not in a council house anymore but we used to. Now we own a house. I have a job. That may be a chavvy job, one never asked.

None of these things are considered "good" are they? Chavvy is generally consider a terrible things to be.

crashdoll Wed 22-May-13 17:05:32

Around here, McDonalds is where all the middle class newly divorced daddies take their offspring on a Sunday.

Tantrums Yes, chavvy is a negative thing. Everything is chavvy apparently

What the actual fuck is middle class food?

What fresh hell is this? Now even your dinner can be MC or WC

Do parents agonise over this when their DCs friends come for dinner?
"Ooh if I cook fish fingers will they think I am a chav"

GoodbyePorkPie Wed 22-May-13 17:08:59

I'm really hoping this is tongue in cheek, Tantrums. No one can possibly think like this!

pork I think some people actually will think this. Its not the strangest thing to be called chavvy

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 17:10:38

Pizza Express do pizzas the size of shirt buttons. I prefer Pizza Hut and I'm fucking proxy posh in one of the poshest bits of London.

<<preens as only a dragged-up chav-cum-good could>>

crashdoll Wed 22-May-13 17:10:45

Middle class food (according to MN) - sushi, humous, olives and rice cakes.

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 22-May-13 17:10:56

Unfortunately many people on MN think like this which is why SPKliffwink started the thread.
On MN at least chavvy = common.

But in RL I dont think most people think like that. Its a MN competitive thing.

D0oinMeCleanin Wed 22-May-13 17:12:17

I think I'd rather be a chav than have to spend time agonising over whether my children's lunch is middle class enough, which is just as well since their names are chavvy and their clothes are chavvy their favourite treat foods are chavvy....

Tell me are dogs chavvy? Scooters? Playing out? Might as well go for a full house grin

pork but they do.

There is a whole thread about children's clothes with characters on being chavvy.
Baby names features the word chavvy eleventy million times.
Haircuts, ear piercing, council houses, all chavvy
Dogs are chavvy

It is no surprise that KFC is chavvy as well. And cooking pie, mash and gravy rather than Filo tart, dauphinois potatoes and seasonal veg. grin

TheSecondComing Wed 22-May-13 17:13:09

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Heartbrokenmum73 Wed 22-May-13 17:14:30

We're having cheesy mash, sausages and beans for tea - chav much?

Yes, dogs are chavvy D0oin especially my dogs.
Scooter, I think are ok. Trampoline in the back garden-chavvy.

Packet of crisps in lunchbox-chavvy
Home made vegetable crisps and banana bread-ok

Football-chavvy

Goal Wed 22-May-13 17:15:34

Tantrums - Some people might seeit as a negative thing I suppose. I don't see why you would,you have chosen lots of things that (by your own admission) are chavvy. You like things That some people call chavvy, therefore I can't understand why you would think of chavvy asa bad thing for you.

SilverOldie Wed 22-May-13 17:16:09

usualsuspect - "Why are the Rooneys chavs,Silver?"

They have money but no taste.

I don't understand why it's not ok for someone to call something chavvy but it's ok for someone else to describe a person as a Hyacinth Bouquet or posh or up themselves. They are making assumptions the same as someone who uses the word chavvy are they not?

Heartbrokenmum73 Wed 22-May-13 17:16:14

What about cats? I've got three of those? Or are they just 'evil genius'? Mwah ha ha ha ha ha!

Typing from my volcano lair...

Chanatan Wed 22-May-13 17:16:34

TheSecondComing,couldnt agree moregrin

Lady Are you trying to make SPKliff a thing? grin

magimedi Wed 22-May-13 17:17:39

Heartbroken We had sausage, beans & chips last night, so I raise you by one in the chavvv stakes. Am sure (oven) chips are chavvier than cheesy mash, unless mash is made from 'Smash'. grin

Chanatan Wed 22-May-13 17:17:40

Why have the Rooney,s got no taste?

Chan Because they aren't up to MN standards probably. Because they name their children what they want

GoodbyePorkPie Wed 22-May-13 17:18:42

Well now I've heard it all. I'd just like to say that my diet is perfectly balanced and contains both 'chav' and MC items. hmm

I reckon there must be five or six MNers who go round trumpeting this shite, real people cannot be like this. At least, I have never heard this kind of absurdity ever in my life!

PMSL at 'home made vegetable crisps'!

Heartbrokenmum73 Wed 22-May-13 17:18:45

Not 'Smash', no, but it is the supermarket stuff that you just microwave!

God, I really AM a Chav aren't I?

Goal Wed 22-May-13 17:18:56

More to the point? What is cliffing.

crashdoll Wed 22-May-13 17:19:37

Oi what's wrong with Smash?!

Heartbrokenmum73 Wed 22-May-13 17:20:11

Don't know about the Rooney's choice of baby names, but Colleen's definitely got no taste in men. He looks like Shrek and prefers an 'older' woman by all accounts...

goal I think you misunderstand

I don't think being called chavvy is a good thing. I haven't chosen things because they are chavvy. And if someone calls my sons name, or my dog, or my house, or any other area of my life chavvy they are being insulting. Not pleasant.
If you disagree with someone's choices, that's all good. The world would be pretty boring if we all liked the same stuff.

But chavvy has become an acceptable way of saying common or somehow beneath someone. That's the issue.

Heartbrokenmum73 Wed 22-May-13 17:21:09

Eurgh, SPs - just been sick in my face!

Goal Wed 22-May-13 17:21:31

Sp- that link should come with a warning! Dear lord, I don't know if I can recover from that.

Tantrums I've been trying to explain that all the way through the thread

You did ask Goal grin

Ha, you didn't catch me out this time SP

I never click your links now grin

GoodbyePorkPie Wed 22-May-13 17:22:23

Gosh, that pic... shock

Mind you, I know plenty of women (including my mum) who would still lick the sweat off that buff brown chest.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 17:23:07

Tantrums- I didn't misunderstand. So some people don't like your choices,why does that matter? Why do you care?

Chanatan Wed 22-May-13 17:23:10

There,s some judgy pants being hoisted real high on this thread.

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 17:23:10

What the actual fuck is middle class food?

In my posh gym a woman didn't want to share the bench because she didn't like the look of me. It was a bit difficult, but I'm well brung up so I didn't say anything even though I dearly wanted to punch her up the froat.

She and her daughter were discussing dinner. Her 11-year-old shouted: ''Yay! Dolmio and pasta. My favourite."

I judged in my working class meat and potatoes way. I didn't say anything but my eyes might have betrayed something.

Anyway, if all you can afford is a jar of sauce and pasta, fine. Not if you think you're a cut above.

I know SP

Maybe we should be grateful to be called chavvy?
Even though its basically someone saying "I am so much better than you because I would not dream of naming my child <insert name>"

Goal Wed 22-May-13 17:23:55

Pork pie- I am now feeling nauseous!

Pork What goal said. No need grin

Tantrums Well it seems everything is deemed as chavvy. Cant win either way.

AmberSocks Wed 22-May-13 17:26:39

being middle class is also ridiculed,as is being posh,all classes are ridiculed,its just part of life.

goal again I don't care if people do not like my choices.

I do care that I am called a chav because, for example, my DS name is not on the mumsnet approved list. Because chav is an insult. Like common.
that is what I object to.

Just because you don't like something, there's no need to say that someone is a chav. It's an insult. Just say "that's not a name I would have picked"

TwistTee Wed 22-May-13 17:28:06

I happily dress my dd in peppa pig and hello kitty and my 4 mth ds already has gruffalo bibs. I do not wear make up, live in sandals even when its cold and I am growing grey at the ripe old age of 34. But I am not a chav, I am essentric wink.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 17:28:42

You seei would say that Chavez a descriptor, same as hipster, hooray Henry, lentil weaver, crusty etc etc

Goal Wed 22-May-13 17:29:14

Chav obvs not Chavez

LynetteScavo Wed 22-May-13 17:29:41

The thing is, there was obviously a gap in the English language for the word chavvy.

"Naff" just doesn't have quite the same punch as chavvy.

LynetteScavo Wed 22-May-13 17:31:05

Middle class is very ridiculed on MN..but nobody kicks up a fuss because they are secretly happy to be MC.... obviously no body want to be a chav.

TheSecondComing Wed 22-May-13 17:31:43

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 17:32:53

silver why do you think the Rooneys don't have taste?

They own some of the most prestigious brands in the world owned by some of the most prestigious people in the world.

Is it just because you can't afford the same stuff?

wigglesrock Wed 22-May-13 17:33:18

Chav is a pejorative term. There's no upside to its use. I don't use it, it's horrible.

scottishmummy Wed 22-May-13 17:33:50

this is so indulgent,and oh my giddy aunt.im struggling to get your point tbh
chavvy (esp on MN) generally means common,undesirable, object of derison
but you know thta already reading the thread. which prompts an and....so what

kotinka Wed 22-May-13 17:37:19

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Hamwidge Wed 22-May-13 17:37:37

I think chav is an outdated term now anyway. I live in a town that looks like a holding pen for the Jeremy Kyle show and nobody says chav anymore. Scrote, skank or tramp on the other hand...

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 17:41:48

But chav is not all bad. For example, yes McDonalds is 'chav' but who in their right mind would say no to a McD. In fact you would be a twat if you were say driving back tired from a day at a theme park and you didn't pull in (or through) for supper on the way home. Something can be 'chav' yet still desirable or enjoyable.
Then there is 'chavtastic'. Blingy sunglasses or handbags can be chav as can over the top WAG hairstyles and nails but now and then it is fun to work a chavtastic look, especially in summer I find.

Littleolivetree Wed 22-May-13 17:43:05

Haha but everything you mentioned IS chavvy

Little Can you explain how then?

limitedperiodonly Wed 22-May-13 17:46:29

beoffw'ye
yeweebfs
scottishmummyhasspoken

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 17:47:20

Yes it IS chavvy but chavvy is not necessarily or inherently bad in or if itself, iykwim.

Goal Wed 22-May-13 17:48:04

Chav is a subjective term. Many of the things you mentioned are things that some people consider chavvy. In the same way that men in red trousers are often considered posh!
lookatmyfuckingredtrousers.blogspot.co.uk/

My grandad wear red trousers and hes not posh. I wonder if hes on there. Ill have to have a look.

Littleolivetree Wed 22-May-13 17:53:21

I love the red trousers link. They need to add salmon and mustard colours to it...

Goal Wed 22-May-13 17:54:15

Well exactly sp- its a stereotype not ahard and fast rule!

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 17:54:19

I was thinking about this thread whilst queuing up for the drive thru at mcdonalds. There was a really horrible word when I was growing up to describe poor people. It was scutter sad

everlong Wed 22-May-13 17:54:51

White 4x4 is chavvy?

I'm a Chav after all then.

goal I thought they were a grandad uniform. Like shirt tucked in to green cords grin

Join the chavvy corner everlong

<shuffles down the bench to make room>

Bring a KFC bucket with you grin

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 17:57:38

Everlong, a white Range is chav as is a white Disco. Both can look chavtastic though if driven by a brunette with hair in ponytail. If you are blonde though you could be into dodgy territory.... grin

Tan the way this threads gone everyone will be in that corner grin

PaperSeagull Wed 22-May-13 17:58:44

It's all about class and class anxiety. Why? Because everything in the UK is always about class and class anxiety. (Perhaps a slight exaggeration.)

"Chav" is very clearly used by people who enjoy feeling superior to others. As long as they have others to look down on, they are able to feel slightly more secure in their position.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 18:00:33

And to be honest if I go out with the girls then (say once every two years) I might be so drunk I fall over by 9pm on the dance floor. That is vair chav but hell I am ok with that and I never show my knickers whilst sprawling around.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 18:01:29

And at least I wear knickers!

everlong Wed 22-May-13 18:02:56

I luff my white car. smile

But I'll pass on the KFC thanks grin

I wouldn't say that was a chav thing to do property just a drunken thing

everlong Wed 22-May-13 18:04:28

Property. I'm blonde too.

Fuck. I'll be ordering Burberry shit next!

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 18:08:21

Ha ha, yes a designer baseball hat will hide your hair.

Trust me SP, it is chav the way I do it. I'll Eff and Jeff on the way down to the ground etc.

Littleolivetree Wed 22-May-13 18:08:50

I think I have to disagree with seagul. I do use the term chav to describe certain things. My mum tried to install sparkly tiles in her house, I referred to them as chavvy. I didn't use that term to feel 'superior'.

OwlLady Wed 22-May-13 18:09:38

I don't think the Scottish and Welsh have as much class anxiety as the English. I think the more Northern you go the less people are bothered by it.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 18:10:52

Now I LOVE those black sparkly tiles but admittedly I would not have them in my kitchen.

I didn't think about class or anything til MN. Then again its opened my eyes to a lot of things

Sparklypinknails Wed 22-May-13 18:13:06

I didn't either SP. MN has opened my eyes to lots of things I didn't know about. Some good some bad!

I never realised I was chavvy for having my own number plate.

I do like the mention of stone lions on a council house gate posts.

Must order some

Is blonde chavvy as well?

My dad had stone lions. Some basterds nicked them. Good knows how as they were really heavy

Ezza1 Wed 22-May-13 18:15:03

What the fuck are mice and dumps?

PaperSeagull Wed 22-May-13 18:15:37

OwlLady, I agree with you, especially re: the Welsh and Scottish being less concerned about class than the English.

Littleolive, but why did you call tiles "chavvy"? Did you think that other people might look down on your mother because of them?

Aren't mice animals?

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 18:22:38

Blonde is not chavvy.

I saw some stone lions on a gated 3 bed semi this aft. I admit I did think it looked rather crazy.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 18:23:38

Mice are small rodents as far as I know. Actually I would say that they are neutral. Not chav imo.

Ezza1 Wed 22-May-13 18:25:35

Mice aren't edible though, surely?

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 18:27:46

Sugar mice are damn tasty, not chavvy grin

Property They have no purpose at all. My dad thought his were great because he was given them. He wouldn't have paid for them. Oh no grin

I dont know ezza I haven't seen Mice mentioned

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 18:35:01

Someone upthread mentioned that mice were chav I think confused

Stone lions would look crazy anywhere to be fair grin. Sometimes I think I could fancy a hot tub but then I remind myself that they are widely viewed as sex ponds grin

That was me as someone mentioned eating mice and dumps.

We had stone pyramid shapes in top of pillars and the were knicked

themaltesecat Wed 22-May-13 18:40:34

Agree wholeheartedly with this thread.

Ezza1 Wed 22-May-13 18:42:09

So what are mice and dumps? Is it a weird regional dish someplace weird ?

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 18:50:25

I got the chavvy label in RL because I sell Avon products and can be seen wearing knackered Ugg boots in public places.

However, the situation became interesting awkward, when the charming woman discovered I owned the company her husband worked for.

Nowt so queer as folk.

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 18:57:59

Sex pond grin

Don't want a hot tub but I really want a sex pond now.

It would be lined with lush pampas grass and solar lights. And have a full size statue of Peter Andre wading to shore like in the Mysterious Girl video, in sparkling orange bronze. Fairy lights entwined in vases of twiggy shit would be strategically placed around it.

Ooh Honey. I need some if that stuff that makes a good fly repellant for horses.

VinegarDrinker Wed 22-May-13 19:04:56

Pmsl at mice and dumps. Sounds..... tasty.

Mince and dumplings possibly??

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 19:04:58

Skin so soft green?

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 19:06:02

Unless you meant a sex pond? That would keep the flys off too, but may confuse and scare potential suitors.

LynetteScavo Wed 22-May-13 19:09:30

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS

I personally don't think chav is all bad.

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 19:12:45
Littleolivetree Wed 22-May-13 19:15:18

No seagul, i said that because at times has questionable taste and needs advice. I called them chavvy because in my opinion that it the look that I personally consider chavvy (just a bit too footballers wife). I would refer to a roll top bath being classic, a floral curtain as being shabby chic, a 70s coffee table as retro. These are words used to describe things. I wouldn't give two hoots what anyone thought if me or my mother. But I still will use the term chavvy to describe things which I feel are. It is entirely my opinion, unfortunately the term chav has made it's way into popular language. Maybe I am a bit younger than you are, but this is a word I have grown up with. I wouldn't call anyone a chav, but I see nothing wrong with using it in this context privately.

grin skin so soft, that's it.

Can you benefit from me ordering it?

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 19:23:19

No my lovely, I only do it for my little fiesty talc wearing old ladies, not for the money grin Order off the website. SPEND15, gets you free delivery if you spend £15 or more.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Wed 22-May-13 19:37:34

Honey, I have pampas grass and some £1 each assorted animal shaped solar lights from Homo Bargains (most of which are broken so not good value despite their nominal cost).

As for the rest of your Sex Pond vision, I am liking it. A lot grin

KatyTheCleaningLady Wed 22-May-13 19:40:35

I don't like sneering at the lower middles and new money vulgarians, as it makes the speaker look insecure.

But, I do internally sneer at truly trashy people. I mean more tattoos than teeth, favours aggressive dogs, and views civil behaviour with suspicion.

HoneyDragon Wed 22-May-13 19:42:53

It's good isn't PropertyN grin

Lizzylou Wed 22-May-13 19:50:12

Oi, Op nowt wrong with Benedict. I dream of another baby boy so I can call him Cassius.
Am with Owllady, Mom (also from Mids originally) and my Grandmothers were Nan or Nanny.

I think the snobbish Mn contingent are far fewer these days tgan 8 or so years Think Chavvy is just a catch all, lazy term for either "they've got more money than me, bah!", or those who think that they are suddenly not "nouveau" anymore and are whooping with joy.

CherylTrole Wed 22-May-13 20:00:30

SP look dont fret about the chav thing. All MNers have a bit of chav in them confused

LynetteScavo Wed 22-May-13 20:07:44

There is a little bit of chav within every single one of us.

Well, maybe not the Queen.

scottishmummy Wed 22-May-13 20:09:00

I don't think anyone is fretting,this is faux indignation
I think op knows what chavvy is,and what it generally mean on mn
no real tears spilt

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 22-May-13 20:54:08

It means people I like to look down on. I meant I as in the person who is using the word not I as in me.

Its quite handy when you see it on threads especially the name ones because it just says so much about the person claiming a name is beneath them. But somehow I'm pretty sure it does not say exactly what they are trying to convey usually just the opersit.