Am I being unreasonable to want to see if I could do it better?(46 Posts)
As long as a decade ago it was shown that girls in Papua New Guinea were hitting puberty as early as 6 or 7. This was due to the fact that their diet is mostly chicken. The birds that they ate were fed hormone filled feed to ensure that they grew faster and bigger than they normally would. These hormones were then ingested by the girls and had much the same effect on them as they had on the chickens. These same hormones are fed to chickens all over the world (please don't jump down my throat for this, I know not every country has hormonally accelerated chickens, but those that do are spread across the globe, hence all over the world). While the effects are not as obvious as in Papua New Guinea, because most people do not have such a chicken intensive diet, the average age for females to hit puberty is dropping.
The white lining inside tin cans contains chemicals which can enter in to the food in the tin, this Bisphenol A, mimics female estrogen and can have serious consequences for both males and females. Parabens which can be found in most hygiene products also have hormonal effects, which can raise the risk of cancers.
Am I being unreasonable to think that GMO is the least of our worries when chemicals and hormones, in not just our food but our cleaning products, shampoo, and the containers we use to store our food have been repeatedly proven to be dangerous and are still not being addressed by our nannies in parliament. Is it unreasonable to think that if you care that much then do the required research and avoid those products which pose a risk, rather than scaremongering with half formed facts and expecting people miles away (who can afford to buy organic anyway, so don't really care) to ban them?
YANBU. DH and I have instigated an almost vegetarian diet as neither of our DDs were really eating meat.
We don't eat food from tins but it's a real concern that many, many families do.
Oh and we have an allotment so soon, we'll know where most of our veg comes from too.
May we see some peer reviewed research please, can't find anything.
And wondering how many other forms you are cut and pasting research free scaremongering to.
YABveryU and boring.
Is this nononsensemumof2 or just coincidence that two people are posting about GMOs...?
YABU to believe everything you have written is true. Every 'fact' you have stated, down to the traditional diet of people in PNG, is incorrect. Do you REALLY believe this stuff or do you just like to provoke a response?
BPA, sadly, is extremely difficult to 100% avoid. It's in most plastics-water bottles, plastic food containers, packaging, toys, even certain baby bottles contain it and yes it is in tins. Think toothpaste tube and that's how difficult it is to eradicate from your lifestyle. You can limit it though and we aim to with wooden toys and avoiding things that come in containers and tins where possible.
Oh mine dont eat chicken or stuff out of tins............just greggs sausage rolls, pom bears and fruit shoots so they will be peachy
Is it unreasonable to think that if you care that much then do the required research and avoid those products which pose a risk, rather than scaremongering with half formed facts.
You mean like you've just done by posting all that with not one link or piece of evidence to support it?
Hobnob there's no need to be snotty;....mine DON'T eat chicken or tinned foods. You can snigger all you like but I'd rather take some control over my children's diet. Those who are in charge don't give a shit what the masses get through the food chain. Why let them control you?
My children eat chicken once a week, red meat twice a week and vegetable and lentil dishes the rest of the week. We only eat beans, chick peas and tomatoes out of tins. I think we're safe. Nice try though.
oh god, its HER again isnt it..
Is it time to start saying cunt again?
Actually this is a response to Nononsensemums post, a little bit hurt you thought I was her. I was hoping my point was at least understandable. I am not going to post evidence, why? Because the whole point was why are people not researching these things for themselves. My points about hormones, and chemicals were more to demonstrate that these issues are not new and have been around for many years, and are still not being addressed so why expect current issues to be. I did not say their 'traditional' diet was chicken, I said their current diet was, at least at the time that the hormone issue was world wide news.
KentishWine, please (apart from the 'traditional diet' issue, which I hope I have explained) explain what parts of my post were incorrect. As if I am wrong I would like to be corrected so I can avoid being wrong again.
Crapswithbears, my question of why don't people do their own research would be rather pointless if it were accompanied by research.
I had no intention of scaremongering, I want to know why it is seen as the governments job to protect us, and why this is being treated like a new(ish) problem? Especially since Nononsensemums post descended in to arguments over grammar and the validity of research that was found on the internet.
Thank you Neo, Loofet and Hob for being nice. This was my first post (and only to those of you who think I am filling the boards with this stuff) and I expected a harsh response based on the topic, but I had hoped my attackers would have fully read the OP at least.
my eldest 2 girls have the exact same dies - 8 year old is heading to puberty fast - 11 year old ...not a sign of it
erm so I'll carry on feeding them meat and stuff x
Instead of keep adding to the list of what we shouldn't eat can someone tell us what we can eat. I have looked in my fridge and all I am left with after all the threads this week is a jar of homemade chutney , a llimp celery stalk and the ice I've scraped out of the little freezer compartment.
I can't take your post seriously - not Enough! Capitals! and Exclamation! Points!
Whats the point in worrying? The chem trails are getting us all anyway!
Hey Binky www.livestrong.com/article/446944-toxins-in-celery/
There you wanted a link to questionable research, now you have it. Could someone, anyone, please address the actual question.
I've scraped out of the little freezer compartment.
God dont eat that, its probably been contaminated by chemicals from the freezer.
I am not going to post evidence, why? Because the whole point was why are people not researching these things for themselves.
Then you have no argument to put.
Sorry, but if you instigate a discussion, then you provide evidence. I did also point out that a quick google produced no valid results. So, you are positing a theory currently based on nothing.
You know the stress of worrying will probably kill you quicker than the chemicals anyway!
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU FEED YOUR KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!! I CARE ABOUT WHO YOU EXPECT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is that better Gordy? Or shall I throw in a few random apostrophes and commas?
I love that googling is now "research."
erm I take responsibility for it since they are my kids - again you can't stand the fact people aren't as irrationally outraged as you!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont expect anyone to take responsibility for it.
I also dont understand the point you are trying to make.
::Repeatedly bangs head against wall:: Thank you all for this lovely induction to the forums, I think I shall go drink some genetically modified fertilizer, hell I may even throw in some hormones and drink it from a lined tin can. I will leave you with my original question copied and pasted from my OP.
Is it unreasonable to think that if you care that much then do the required research and avoid those products which pose a risk, rather than scaremongering with half formed facts and expecting people miles away (who can afford to buy organic anyway, so don't really care) to ban them?
If you are going to post things like "As long as a decade ago it was shown that girls in Papua New Guinea were hitting puberty as early as 6 or 7. This was due to the fact that their diet is mostly chicken", you need to be able to back it up.
The vast majority of people don't have access to research journals, or peer reviews, or even the relevant industry news. They will do what I've just done - spend a short amount of time searching online in public sources - and come up with nothing. In fact the only relevant thing I found was that girls in PNG have traditionally reached puberty at one of the oldest ages in the world.
Asking people to do their own research is fine, but scattergunning random statements with no backup is far more likely to make people think "oh no another tin foil hatted loon" than "oh, that looks interesting, I'll spend more time looking into that."
No it is not unreasonable - don't flounce - your timing was just spectacularly off
But the general consensus on the thread is that people dont care.
So as you are the one that seems to care so much about it, maybe you should enlighten us with some of the research to back up your claims. Then we may be more inclined to care because we are informed about it.
WIBU to come one here and start getting my knickers in a twist about the plight of the polar bears, then when asked for some more information, tell people they can do their own research.
They might care if some peer reviewed research were provided, but no, we're all to be treated like children and have to look it up ourselves. That way we'll remember!
But is there DNA in the chicken?
...it was shown that girls in Papua New Guinea were hitting puberty as early as 6 or 7
Where was this shown? I have done a quick but comprehensive search on academic citation indexes and can find no such reports.
The birds that they ate were fed hormone filled feed to ensure that they grew faster and bigger than they normally would.
Again, where was this shown? No evidence of this in the academic literature. What hormones are you referring to?
These same hormones are fed to chickens all over the world
What hormones? Anyhow, this is not something you have to worry about if you are in the EU (and OZ and USA etc) as steroids for growth promotion of food-producing animals is banned
While the effects are not as obvious as in Papua New Guinea, because most people do not have such a chicken intensive diet, the average age for females to hit puberty is dropping
There is certainly evidence that the average age of puberty is dropping, but researchers do not agree on the cause. Some say it is because children are getting fatter, some say it's because they are less active, and the list goes on. Endocrine disrupters are only one possible suggestion out of hundreds of theories. I have never seen chicken on the list of possible factors. I agree that this is an area that is worth investigation for lots of reasons (e.g early puberty in girls has been found to be associated with a higher risk for breast cancer) but it's important to apply logic and rigour to the research.
white lining inside tin cans contains chemicals which can enter in to the food in the tin, this Bisphenol A
The science on BPA is inconclusive. If you want to avoid BPA just in case, that is absolutely your choice. You could even help others to make informed choices by directing them to appropriate evidence. Stating that BPA has serious consequences for both males and females is scaremongering and inaccurate because at the moment the evidence does not say this is the case.
Parabens which can be found in most hygiene products also have hormonal effects, which can raise the risk of cancers
Again, there is no evidence that this is true. Unless you know something that hundreds of scientists are unaware of?
Some more info from Cornell University on these 'chicken hormones'
Because the whole point was why are people not researching these things for themselves.
I don't give a crap what your point was. You made positive claims about facts, the onus is on YOU to back that up with research. Why I want to waste my time researching shit some random person says on the internet with no proof that it's even bloody real?
Is this just a really long-winded way of telling us that you're a libertarian?
Why are people so angry? Ok the OP didn't exactly back her claims up....but people are SO defensive it's weird.
I just got this from the Food Standards Agency website
Are food-producing animals given growth promoting treatments?
There are several types of veterinary treatments that can have a growth-promoting effect if administered to animals for that purpose.
hormonal growth promoters (HGPs), sometimes referred to as hormones
antibiotic growth promoters
The use of antibiotic growth-promoting feed additives has been phased out in the EU this was completed in January 2006 because of concerns about the potential spread of antibiotic resistance. Further information can be found on the VMDs website.
The use of HGPs and beta-agonists for growth promotion is banned in the EU. This includes a ban on steroids for increasing the growth rate of animals
So..the OP is wrong about the chickens "All over the world" being fed hormones which is comforting. Banned here since 2006. But are all our chickens from the EU? Do they ever import them from countries where the hormones are not banned?
NeoMaxiZoomDweebie I imagine it would be impossible for farmers who do not comply with any of the EU/US/OZ/NZ standards to find an outlet for their food.
Hormones in chicken were banned primarily because they did not work.
There is little evidence they can cause cancer.
Steroid hormones are in fruits, vegetables, beans, peas, and cereal grains. Argghhh!
As long as a decade ago it was shown that girls in Papua New Guinea were hitting puberty as early as 6 or 7. This was due to the fact that their diet is mostly chicken.
What about puberty in boys? Or do they not eat as much chicken?
Saying things without backing them up isnt going to get you very far.
Why are people so angry? I'm not angry but I do find it annoying when people cite as fact rumour, gossip and scientific misunderstanding. That I find weird.
OP, you say you're not going to link to any evidence as we should all do our own research.
So, each one of us should have to go out and buy a few thousand chickens, feed them diets containing the chemicals you think are harmful and feed a few thousand a natural diet over a number of years to provide a control? Then we'll have to feed the resulting meat to another group of mammals....
On top of all this we have to run another few trials researching the effects of eating tinned food and the same for parabens.
Wow. You're expecting a lot from us.
Or is it just that all these things have already been researched by independent and qualified professionals time and time again and they have all been shown to be safe (or perhaps just not happening as in the chicken feed issue)?
Just because you read it on naturalnews or saw it on youtube doesn't make it true. It must be nice to feel nutritionally, intellectually and ecologically superior to everyone else though.
Oh, in case I wasn't clear. YABU and scare-mongering.
"So, each one of us should have to go out and buy a few thousand chickens, feed them diets containing the chemicals you think are harmful and feed a few thousand a natural diet over a number of years to provide a control? Then we'll have to feed the resulting meat to another group of mammals...."
I think the OP is actually suggesting we sit in our pants and Google 'hormones + chicken + puberty' and then read the results, which will be in the form of online magazines called rabidvegans.com.
Quite! To quote Hopkinette upthread...I love that googling is now "research."
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