Eurovision 2013 - OK here we go again

(57 Posts)
ftm42 Mon 20-May-13 12:15:51

Removing all the supposedly 'homophobic' comments made earlier - I certainly am not homophobic, but that can remain for another context, though I believe I did say that my gay friends find these acts offensive to them as gays -

The whole point was to raise the issue of the obscenity of some Eurovision acts and why we are all OK about naked men writhing about in front of a man wearing a crucifix! This was always meant to be a family show and I cannot bring myself to let my children see this.

We are becoming an over-sexualised society and I think that's awful and especially insulting to Christians when combined with crucifix-wearing - yes, surprise! - I am a Christian! [Now I can watch as mumsnet turns this thread into an anti-Christian one and censors me for being completely intolerant of anything!]

Am I really the only one? I don't believe I am!

ThingummyBob Mon 20-May-13 12:19:14

My TV has an off switch hmm

It helps me to never be offended by anything showing on TV.

Hth.

Euphemia Mon 20-May-13 12:20:27

my gay friends find these acts offensive to them as gays

Best laugh I've had since your deleted thread. grin

PinkFluffyJumper Mon 20-May-13 12:20:46

What about naked women writhing around on stage.

Strangely, not many people seem to have a problem with that. hmm

[head-desk]

ftm42 Mon 20-May-13 12:21:22

ThingummyBob - exactly why I left the room to sit in on my 10 year old's music lesson.

Lj8893 Mon 20-May-13 12:21:45

Oh just go away!!!

ftm42 Mon 20-May-13 12:22:22

Actually PFJ - I would if it was on a family TV show, though I'm sure my DH wouldn't object if he was at a club. QED

gordyslovesheep Mon 20-May-13 12:23:23

Turn it off then

ftm42 Mon 20-May-13 12:23:35

Euphemia

Don't know why that's funny - not all gays are 'out and proud' - some are happy quietly being just as they are. Hard to accept, I know.

bigfuckoffpie Mon 20-May-13 12:25:57

You're offended by Eurovision, but fine with your DH going to clubs with naked women? confused

cory Mon 20-May-13 12:26:26

The (Dracula-inspired) imagery was very similar to what you might have seen if you had gone to the opera to see a performance of any piece featuring Orpheus or similar topics. In fact, the whole of his number was very operatic in its general styling.

Ballet shows often also include similar numbers.

I took my children to see a play by Marlowe at the Elizabethan Rose Theatre. It featured the god Jupiter and his side-kick Ganymede. Who got up to a good deal more than the Eurovision singers.

I noticed on the other thread that you were also offended by the singer's technique: other posters pointed out that the countertenor is a traditional element in Christian church music.

Basically, to those of us who are used to more traditional Christian culture it didn't seem that shocking. Sorry if that doesn't help you.

Loulybelle Mon 20-May-13 12:26:29

Pfffft, as if you have gay friends, "Straight is ideal" indeed.

Need a bullshit icon.

honeytea Mon 20-May-13 12:26:42

You are right it is wrong to expose children to the symbols of organised religion.

Men in boxers, well I hope you don't take your children swimming, they may see men wearing less than the dancers on Eurovision.

When was it ever a children's show? It starts at 8pm and doesn't finish until midnight.

polkadotsrock Mon 20-May-13 12:26:59

OP you're quite clearly just trying to be controversial and start a fight. I hope no one arses themselves.

ThingummyBob Mon 20-May-13 12:27:03

I should have clarified OP.

I LOVE Eurovision and I'm not remotely offended at anything Eurovision-y, apart from some of the truly awful singing of course grin

Just making a general point about TVs having off switches, you know, for those of an easily offended nature.

ftm42 Mon 20-May-13 12:27:35

OK - I give up. mumsnet is obviously full of people who are in the 'if you can't accept society as it is, then p off' vocal and [actually offensive to me as a Christian who would rather we were more restrained than prepared to accept that anything goes, but hey - that's OK] minority. Trouble is, some of us just don't like or accept that society is progressing in the right direction, but we aren't allowed to say so.

I'll shut up now.angry

5318008 Mon 20-May-13 12:29:36

But the naked men weren't naked ya donut

Lj8893 Mon 20-May-13 12:29:48

Good idea OP

Loulybelle Mon 20-May-13 12:29:49

A society wont ever progress in the right direction, when certain sections are trying to suppress another section.

ChangeyMcName Mon 20-May-13 12:29:54

have you considered that the singer may have strong beliefs and was proudly wearing his cross during performance to honour god? just like others who wear crucifixes (crucifi?) to work?

And the dancers were performing very technical ballet/contemporary choreography. Dancers often wear less/tight clothing to show the line & movement of the body. If you saw something sexual in this maybe you should question why this is the place your mind went to? Don't be ashamed if you were a bit turned on OP, they were all strapping lads, perfectly natural! wink

LadyBeagleEyes Mon 20-May-13 12:30:16

Thread about your own thread that was deleted Op.
This'll be gone soon thank fuck.

InkleWinkle Mon 20-May-13 12:30:43

Wow! You're worried about your children's wellbeing yet their father goes to clubs where there are half naked women??

gordyslovesheep Mon 20-May-13 12:31:45

Not sure where you aren't allowed to say so ...you seem to have managed to say so quiet well

You can't accept that you arevin the minority...get over it

specialsubject Mon 20-May-13 12:32:49

don't you think that the body is created by your god?

in which case how can it be offensive?

Lj8893 Mon 20-May-13 12:32:55

have you considered that the singer may have strong beliefs and was proudly wearing his cross during performance to honour god? just like others who wear crucifixes (crucifi?) to work?

And the dancers were performing very technical ballet/contemporary choreography. Dancers often wear less/tight clothing to show the line & movement of the body. If you saw something sexual in this maybe you should question why this is the place your mind went to? Don't be ashamed if you were a bit turned on OP, they were all strapping lads, perfectly natural!

*^^^^ this

I didn't see anything sexual in that performance, just a good performance from a talented singer and talented dancers.

sweetestcup Mon 20-May-13 12:33:06

I take it previous thread got deleted then, did OP ever explain why they thought straight was the ideal?

cory Mon 20-May-13 12:33:11

So what about ballet performances where dancers wear body suits? What about Marlowe's play? What about opera performances of 17th century pieces which feature the underworld and heathen gods?

"Progressing in the right direction"- whatever you might say about Cesare's performance, his outfit and singing were entirely traditional?

In fact, the main shock effect came from the fact that they were so traditional that people weren't expecting it.

Of course he was camp. But that is another traditional aspect of much of the acting profession since times immemorial.

And incidentally, cross-dressing (not that he was doing it, despite your claims on the other thread) is another ancient tradition in Christian theatre. Shakespeare and all that.

cory Mon 20-May-13 12:34:50

"Am I really the only one? I don't believe I am!"

I do believe you are. grin

Loulybelle Mon 20-May-13 12:35:22

So its ok that your DH oogles half naked women, but a group of men doing dance is not ok,

Wow your mind is seriously warped.

CSIJanner Mon 20-May-13 13:53:53

FFS - the singer (who was BTW fahbulous darlings!) IS NOT GAY! He's a falsetto - and it was a joy to see such a different, original and something so fantastically staged instead of all the dreary Celion Dion / Johnny Logan wannabes smouldering at the camera.

And I mean you Azerbaijan!

I have more of a problem with Simon Cowell kissing Amanda Holdens bum as my 4year old tried to copy all weekend, only ending up by biting my arse!

ZZZenagain Mon 20-May-13 14:00:50

I didn't even notice that he was wearing a crucifix and I didn't think of the dancers as looking naked tbh either. It didn't strike me personally as obscene but if you felt he was making a mockery of Christianity, I can see you would feel offended by it. I really don't think it was intended that way.

It was just a weird act for me. I was trying to make out why he was singing the way he was because it wasn't particularly enjoyable to listen to. Maybe it was very clever, I don't know. I don't think he was trying to achieve anything in particular with his act tbh. Probably he had that song and they came up with some way of making a show around it. France was odd in her video too (not live), lots of smudged eyeshadow, looked like a drug addict the morning after, writhing about with her hand over candles and stroking a skull. I think all the dancers and so on, too many light effects, OTT outfits, etc that is all just eurovision.

ouryve Mon 20-May-13 14:02:52

Family shows aren't screened late in the evening. HTH.

Someone get the violins out. <rolls eyes>

ItsallisnowaFeegle Mon 20-May-13 14:04:28

ftm WHY did you start this again? You're entitled to your own opinions but you must realise you're getting no support here? Again, why?

Gigondas Mon 20-May-13 14:05:14

Redoing this doesn't make you any more right.

ZZZenagain Mon 20-May-13 14:07:28

I am surprised your gay friends were offended by that act. I just didn't make a connection in my mind between that act and homosexuality. I might have to have another look at it on youtube. We just had one of those OMG-this-is-a-weird-one discussions at home, rated it and moved on.

I suppose you are seeing the Romanian act, together with the Finnish (?) 2 women kissing and the Swedish Smorgesbord thing with the gay wedding adding up.

HazeltheMcWitch Mon 20-May-13 14:09:49

Ahh, you see this is why threads-about-threads are not a good idea. I can't tell what you're blethering on about. Even still, OP, I can tell that YABU.

valiumredhead Mon 20-May-13 14:10:21

I thought it was comedy genius, so did ds who is 12. Graham Norton's voice over was SO funny grin

ZZZenagain Mon 20-May-13 14:12:01

here

eurovision selection finale from Romanian tv. He is not wearing a crucifix, just a hoodie - and with dancing girls this time.

ZZZenagain Mon 20-May-13 14:15:01

Is it even a crucifix he wore. Had a look and I think it is a giant blingy cross.

ZZZenagain Mon 20-May-13 14:16:34

look at the necklace

See, it is not a crucifix. Kind of big, blingy cross you see in gangsta rap videos.

Loulybelle Mon 20-May-13 14:22:29

Seriously, i see no issue in what the dances or the singer was wearing.

Op is officially just goady.

conkercon Mon 20-May-13 15:36:53

Go away op. You are still a homophobe despite trying to say you are not. Go and talk to your imaginary gay friends.

JennyEnglishTwo Mon 20-May-13 15:41:51

Were you offended by Ireland's act? I think that was intended to be a vote winner but they misjudged that entirely!

I don't remember a crucifix. What act was that. I sat through it all.

JennyEnglishTwo Mon 20-May-13 15:43:29

oh right. Sorry, Romania's act. I can't remember it !! I thought you were offended by Ireland's blatant attempt to win the gay vote. It didn't work!

Umlauf Mon 20-May-13 15:46:41

I think you are quite ignorant to describe Cezar the Romanian act as a castrato drag queen in a crucifix (Fred about a Fred). As others have said he is a v successful falsetto opera singer and referencing his culture in his costume (which i assume you wouldnt have found offensive had it been at the opera) which I welcome in Eurovision. Much better than the identikit club music acts. Just like the Asturian bagpipes in the Spanish song. I thought it was brilliant he brought something new and different to Eurovision.

The 'naked' men who won't naked at all were in form fitting costumes to emphasise the line of the body necessary for their style of dance. It wasn't sexual, at least I and everyone i watched it with (including a very orthodox catholic and a mormon) didn't find it so.

I note you haven't complained about the woman wearing the spangly top and knickers. That was designed purely to be titillating - no objection there?

Umlauf Mon 20-May-13 15:47:17

I forgot to give you my first biscuit

lionheart Mon 20-May-13 15:51:44

What is the plural of crucifix anyway? hmm

zz.... the OP would have hyperventilated to see the add I was shown before that vid; some nude male model with twitching biceps advertising spot cream grin

And if anyone was in doubt of Cezars operatic ability, have a look at this

He's an internationally acclaimed counter-tenor who is branching out into pop opera and he has an amazing voice.

as for the dancing, have a look at some other dancers who've chosen to display the artistry and beauty of their bodies in dance and tell me they aren't exceptionally talented human beings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OR-n3Rg6E8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W89oOyGwK7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAK4DkKfHZI

Romania had a great act. Don't know what you're talking about

Ilovemyself Mon 20-May-13 22:20:10

Ftm42. Religion is a belief based system. And your belief may be different to that of others.

You don't have the right because of your belief to discriminate against others, just as they should not discriminate against your right to wear a cross or show your belief.

The trouble is that you are forcing your views on others and saying they should conform to your belief which is wrong

EatenByZombies Mon 20-May-13 23:57:48

Everyone stop replying!
She said she'd shut up, don't get her back again! grin

I just have to say - as I'm sure you realise - that ftm doesn't represent all Christians' views on this sort of thing. In fact, this is the kind of small-minded drivel that drives me (yes! a Christian!) up the fucking wall.

Eurovision was a total delight and Petra Mede should get some kind of medal.

Ilovemyself Tue 21-May-13 00:12:30

My best friends mother is a Christian (my wife and I are not) and she is a delight to talk to about her beliefs. And I would never want to offend her. But then I don't think I could, because she would tell me she thought I was wrong.

I think the original post was trolling anyway, I mean, who has a music lesson for a 10 yo at 8 or later on a Saturday night!

Mimishimi Tue 21-May-13 00:50:20

I didn't think he was trying to make it a 'gay' act. I did think it was a Dracula act and had a bit of a giggle at imagining Dracula singing "It's my life" in a contralto voice. The dancers were not naked and I thought it was very clever how they shaped themselves to look like Transylvanisn mountains under that sheet in the beginning. The only person he touched was a woman at the end anyway.

My favourite act were the Greeks. Did their skirts and references to free alcohol offend your Christian sensibilities too?

ZZZenagain Tue 21-May-13 08:47:42

I didn't click that they were supposed to be transylvannian mountains unter that cloth.

A naked man wriggling his biceps to advertise spot cream! How did they come up with that one? I suppose you can get spots anywhere when you think about it.

I know, it was a bit surreal. He had that annoying male model drawl though which kind of detracted from my enjoyment though....

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