...to think that clairvoyants/tarot readers etc are just a load of crap?!

(172 Posts)
candyandyoga Fri 17-May-13 23:17:00

So, friend is having a tarot/clairvoyant night and asks if I want to come. When I was younger I used to really believe it all this but now, I am very cynical and think there are very very few genuine 'fortune tellers' out there - if any...

Aibu to think that this is all just a load of old shit or are there really people out there who can tell us our future?!

candyandyoga Fri 17-May-13 23:22:48

Anyone? :-s

AgentZigzag Fri 17-May-13 23:25:06

As much as I'd love it to be true, it's a pile of old tosh.

I'd look on it as a harmless bit of fun if it didn't focus on drawing people at vulnerable times of their lives in.

AgentZigzag Fri 17-May-13 23:25:57

Is there any reason in particular your friend is looking to be reassured about things?

candyandyoga Fri 17-May-13 23:26:21

I agree. I am amazed at how of my seemingly sane friends are taken in but this bollocks!

Theyremybiscuits Fri 17-May-13 23:26:59

My friends mum is my neighbour and she tells me things to expect, which have come true, tells me things that have happened before I was born, that my family have told me years ago...
She comforts me.
It's helped me enormously through difficult periods of my life.
And she couldn't possible know the information she comes out with.
She's never asked me for a penny.
She does readings for people rarely.
She is a lovely friend.

RationalThought Fri 17-May-13 23:27:39

Of course ynbu.

I hate the way that these people prey on the vulnerable and credulous. Taking their money and feeding them shit.

They are worse than homeopaths and other similar charlatans.

loofet Fri 17-May-13 23:28:18

Cold reading and mentalists. Cunning people who stop at nothing to drain people of money, often the most vulnerable who have lost someone close recently.

WafflyVersatile Fri 17-May-13 23:30:33

At best they are a few comforting, encouraging or confidence building words the client wants to hear. a little pick me up that things will improve soon from an empathetic person who is good at reading people, similar to a friend who assures you that things will look up soon when you're feeling a bit down and negative, even though they can't possibly know.

At worst they are taking money from people to put harmful or sabotaging ideas in their head which might prevent them from really addressing their problems.

CocacolaMum Fri 17-May-13 23:31:55

I had a reading when a close family member died. It comforted me - she was utterly spot on. To me, that's the point

I know I must have been read - but logically cannot fathom how she knew half of what she did (we are talking very personal, nowhere near facebook stuff)

DadOnIce Fri 17-May-13 23:32:32

Yep, load of old tosh.

James Randi, Derren Brown and others have debunked this kind of thing so many times, and so effectively and completely - and yet people still keep coming back for more.

Plomino Fri 17-May-13 23:35:40

I have no particular feelings in any direction, but I always wondered why psychic fairs had to advertise .

SucksToBeMe Fri 17-May-13 23:36:41

I would not waste my money/time with them tbh.? Though I have been to a few mediums who have talked about family members who have passed away and told me things that nobody else could know.

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Fri 17-May-13 23:41:03

There are NO genuine psychics. It is all TOTAL crap.
At best, people claiming to be psychics are delusional and, at worst they are manipulative fraudsters who feed off vulnerable people.

AgentZigzag Fri 17-May-13 23:46:27

Yeah, I agree with Wafflys more refined than mine post grin

If you get an easing from the pain you're in which nothing else could give, then that has to be good doesn't it? Regardless of why the person is giving the reading or whether there's anything in it.

Or if it's something you're doing on a wet afternoon for a bit of a laugh, that can't be too bad. (unless just the act of someone predicting something for you in such a situation makes it impossible for anyone not think/worry about it in the dead of night? Why would the person be there if they didn't think there was something in it?)

WorraLiberty Fri 17-May-13 23:49:32

Study cold reading it's so interesting.

I think they get away with it because the people who go to see them are actively looking to believe what they say...so the job's half done before they've entered the room.

Though most will of course claim to be 'really sceptical'....that's a bog standard thing people tend to say, but generally they're as gullible as a 4yr old.

RationalThought Fri 17-May-13 23:51:48

To the people that are saying that the "medium" told you things nobody could know. Some of them are very clever and are able to cold read very effectively. In summary, it works like this:

- They go down a particular line as long as you confirm / clarify their vague assertions.

- When they go too far wrong they return to the last confirmation point and try again.

- It is human nature, particularly when vulnerable, to concentrate on the hits and forget all the things that they got wrong.

My ex has a recording of a reading that she had and my children constantly point out all the mistakes that the "medium" makes, but she just ignores this and chooses to believe the hits.

AgentZigzag Fri 17-May-13 23:52:32

I watched a couple of programs about remote viewing which is pretty interesting, but as with ghosts, alien contact etc, if it happens, where's the peer reviewed evidence?

(If I had to vote for one of them to be true it'd be alien contact, even though that'd be the one that'd shit me up the most grin)

It's complete bullshit, of course. Sometimes it can be harmless fun, and sometimes even helpful in that some of these con artists, while aware that they have no 'superpowers' because there is no such thing, are quite good at giving people general, sensible advice in a reassuring, sympathetic manner. But a lot of them are vultures who want to take as much money off the dim and vulnerable as they can.

AgentZigzag Sat 18-May-13 00:00:18

If the benefits of the reading (the comfort, reassurance, grounding to the person receiving it at a distressing and frightening time of their life) were outweighed by the cost (of feeling let down when they realise it's bunkum, feeling hoodwinked by someone they thought was there to help, in seeing the reality of it, that life's shit) wouldn't that make it a bit more palatable?

There are always going to be cases where it tips the person over the edge, but whatever they did might have done that to them?

fluffyraggies Sat 18-May-13 08:53:39

There was a very similar thread about this recently (not to say you can't have another one OP) and the general consensus was that it's not right to be taking money from the vulnerable.

Every one has the perfect right to believe it's a load of crap, of course.

What i don't understand is why some posters on here get so abusive towards those who aren't sure or maybe do actually believe. The 'aren't sure's' and 'do believers' aren't the ones exploiting anyone - they are the ones most likely to be exploited IMO.

Sparhawk Sat 18-May-13 09:36:39

I think it's disgusting, personally. Especially psychics, they make money by lying and telling people they can talk to their dead relatives. It's fundamentally sick as far as I am concerned.

Look at America, Sylvia Brown told Amanda Berry's mother that her daughter was dead, only for her to be found ten years later after her mother had given up hope. Sick, nasty people.

Sparhawk Sat 18-May-13 09:36:59

*Browne

FarBetterNow Sat 18-May-13 09:51:31

Fluffy: I'm with you.

It's interesting that so many people have such closed minds and are so absolutely sure that it is rubbish and they are so correct.

So do all you sceptics not believe in an after life?

LouiseD29 Sat 18-May-13 09:56:14

The older I get the more intolerant I am about psychics. There may be the odd positive experience some people have, even with some 'psychics'being fairly accurate, but I have heard too many distressing stories about awful experiences with them, as well as having some some reading myself into the techniques they use to have any time for them. I now have pretty much no tolerance with them and think they are, on the whole, charlatans taking advantage of vulnerable people.

Sparhawk Sat 18-May-13 10:15:58

FarBetterNow

If you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.

I go with the evidence, is there any evidence at all that these people are actually able to communicate with the dead? No. Is there any evidence that these people are deliberately deceiving vulnerable people through cold reading because they're greedy vultures? Yes.

You provide evidence that the former is true and I'll believe it, what's closed minded about that?

Sparhawk Sat 18-May-13 10:19:15

The ones who get all squealy and foot-stampy in defence of woo-peddlers - is this because you are, yourselves, con-artists? Is it because you are reluctant to acknowledge that you have been conned? I can appreciate that it might be upsetting to realise this, particularly if someone conned you when you were at a very low point eg recently bereaved.
Or are you just basically dim and gullible?

It's like believing in gods: the more people scream and shout that their imaginary friend REALLY IS REAL HOW DARE YOU LAUGH, the more likely it is that they know perfectly well that it's utter bullshit but have invested so much time and energy in it that they can't bring themselves to admit any doubts.

Just to lighten the thread a bit, my favourite clairvoyant story was from a colleague who went to a show. The clairvoyant picked out the largest woman in the room and said 'I sense you have been on a diet recently' hmmgrin

TheCutOfYourJib Sat 18-May-13 10:55:40

So do all you sceptics not believe in an after life?
Nope , dont believe in an after life.
I just generally don't believe in fairy stories.
I can see how people want to, as it is so comforting to think you will see your loved ones again but no, when we're gone, we're gone.

Heebiejeebie Sat 18-May-13 12:00:37

Hmmmm, I foresee conflict in this thread. <polishes crystal ball>

Mia4 Sat 18-May-13 12:36:28

YANBU I think there's far too many possible futures based on our choices and others to predetermine anything.

I have known a few people who've had dreams that seem prophetic and they've shared them, or had a deep feeling- but these people don't charge money, they just share with family and friends and in one of their case, was very uncomfortable and upset by it all.

The ones who charge and make professions are mentalists, they are very adapt or sometimes shockingly rubbish and just trying to make a buck by fancying themselves as mentalists.

OrlaKiely Sat 18-May-13 12:37:22

yanbu, it is all a complete load of shit. It's usually a big con as well.

EllaFitzgerald Sat 18-May-13 12:45:01

I've had quite a few readings but, in my defence, I was an awful lot lot younger!

My last one was with a chap who told me that I'd bought a property in Britain and would be looking to buy in Spain within the next year. Reeeally? I've just paid you £25 to tell me a load of tosh. Clearly I don't have the level of financial astuteness necessary to own two properties by the age of 25! hmm

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ophelia275 Sat 18-May-13 12:56:07

Years ago I went to see a "psychic" who used to have his own segment on a very popular radio station. On the radio he seemed to be quite accurate, describing things in callers homes and things that had happened to them. Being young and naive and not knowing much about cold reading, I went to see him when he was holding his psychic sessions in a hotel in London for which you had to make an appointment and he would give you a reading for payment.

He was one of the nastiest, greediest, most aggressive individuals I have ever had the misfortune to meet. He grabbed my watch and started doing a cold reading which sounded like something he had learned by rote and he sounded extremely bored and annoyed. When I politely questioned some of the things he was saying (which were not remotely accurate) he ordered me out of the room and said he would not deal with me any longer. He was a complete psycho (he even looks the part) and unfortunately he is still out there, conning vulnerable people out of their money.

AgentZigzag Sat 18-May-13 12:57:14

If the problem some people have with clairvoyants/tarot readers is that they're preying on people at a vulnerable and distressing time in their lives, it's a bit shit to pile it on them more and start calling them 'dim and gullible'.

I've never been to anything woo or believe there's anything in it, but I know what desperate feels like and how doing things that might seem ridiculous to other people can genuinely help, even if it's just for a short time.

popcornpaws Sat 18-May-13 14:04:36

I read all of a certain psychics books and thought they were amazing and found comfort in them.
Went to see him live and couldn't believe what a load of shite it was.
Left feeling angry that i had believed what he wrote in his books, he seemed so genuine etc.

squoosh Sat 18-May-13 14:21:14

I do think people exist with genuine psychic ability, in that someone might have a one off premonition of something that is going to occur. I also believe that 99% of people who do charge for these services are nothing more than charlatans.

As for people who defraud the grief stricken, well they're nothing more than scum.

Squoosh: But that's simply rubbish. There is no way that people can predict the future because of their Speshul Powers. 'Accurate predictions' are a mixture of coincidence and hindsight - we all speculate about the outcomes of different things and sometimes we get it right and sometimes we don't.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 15:19:17

FarBetterNow Am I right to believe you believe in an afterlife?

If so, what part of us can enter this afterlife? Can an animal enter? Any animal? An insect? A flea? A flower? A microbe? A bacterium? Where do you draw the line and why doesn't anyone see ghosts of ants?

Why don't cats have religion?

squoosh Sat 18-May-13 15:20:08

You're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

FarBetterNow Sat 18-May-13 15:20:38

There are thieves, charlatans and crooks in all walks of life including:
Cosmetic Surgery
Dentistry
Private Medicine
Banking
Big pharma
Oil /Petrol Industry
MPs
Law
Police
The Church - all denominations
Estate Agents
County Councillors
Advertising
Telecommunications
Etc Etc

Before I am asked, no I do not take money or do readings etc.

What's your point, why is it relevant that there are charlatans and crooks in other industries?

overprotection Sat 18-May-13 15:28:51

Lol @ people who claim the vast majority of psychics are fakes but that one or two are 'for real', as if that gives them some sort of credibility.

Then again it's similar to the mindset of anybody who follows organised religion "oh yeah, Islam/Judaism/Hinduism/etc are all a load of old shit, but Christianity, yeah that's deffo for real".

FarBetterNow Sat 18-May-13 15:30:56

ItsOkay: Re afterlife: All animals enter the afterlife.
Heaven wouldn't be good without animals!
I think the difference is that in heaven all life exists in harmony.
Fleas don't bit. Lions don't kill other animals to eat.

I don't know why we don't see ghosts of ants.
Maybe they don't have the need to stay here.

I don't know why cats don't have religion.

As Squoosh says we are all entitled to our opinions.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 15:31:30

FarBetterNow why has no one ever managed to pass the James Randi challenge here?

Well apparently not, since people who don't like psychics are closed minded.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 15:32:53

It could be because religion is manmade?

I heartily recommend A C Grayling's The God Argument for anyone with questions.

notbotheredreally Sat 18-May-13 15:33:05

i dont believe anyone can tell you your future , but i do believe some messages from a few mediums that i have seen .

FarBetterNow Sat 18-May-13 15:35:09

Bears: It's relevant as some posters are saying ALL psychics are frauds and scum.
Some maybe, as in all other walks of life.

The psychics I know are NOT scum or money grabbers.
They are very caring people.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 15:38:22

Yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions but the danger is when these opinions are instilled in the minds of children that know no better and grow up with these beliefs without questioning them.

The other danger is when people form these beliefs out of desperation or extreme grief and then become easy pickings for the likes of mediums/psychics/ tarot readers etc. It is not just a financial thing either, it is about holding such power over someone and being able to break their heart in a moment.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 15:39:39

The only really 'nice' mediums I have encountered have been the worst at reading people.

Clawdy Sat 18-May-13 15:39:52

My gran went to see a clairvoyant called Gypsy Lee in on the Golden Mile in Blackpool years ago. She'd lost her husband a few months ago. Gran came out of the booth,nodding wisely,and said to my mum "She just told me: "Well,love,you've lost a devil." grin

They may not all be scum, but they are frauds. There is no evidence at all that anyone is able to talk to the dead, period, there is a huge amount of evidence to show that what they are doing is nothing more than cold reading.

Surely if everything lived in harmony everything would rapidly die of starvation. Or are ecosystems not present in heaven?

I fucking hate clairvoyants, reiki healers, crystals and all that crap. It's exploiting the vulnerable and should be subject to some sort of trades descriptions legislation.

FarBetterNow Sat 18-May-13 15:45:05

ItsOkay: I have no idea why no one has passed the James Randi challenge.
I have never heard of it before.

Not bothered: You can change some of your future. We all have freedom of choice.
Certain key happenings in our lives are set before we are born, the rest of our lives is through freedom of choice.
The date we die is set before we are born.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 15:47:50

This afterlife is going to be a very overcrowded place (imagine EVERY SINGLE THING THAT HAS EVER EXISTED in one place). Do you think it will be on a planet? Which one? Will everything have its physical form? If not, how will we know who's who? How long will we remain there for? What is the point of the afterlife?

FarBetterNow Sat 18-May-13 15:49:12

Mariana: That's the point - heaven is not like life on earth.

Your hatred is the same hatred that burnt witches and wise women at the stake.

Remotecontrolduck Sat 18-May-13 15:49:57

I don't like them, I think they prey on those who are vulnerable or going through a difficult time, give them false hope and charge them an extortionate amount for it.

I'm prepared to be proven wrong I suppose if there was credible evidence but I don't think there is.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 15:53:48

FarBetterNow Have you always felt this way? Were you raised into a particular denomination? I always wonder about these things. I had a couple of Jehovah Witnesses in for tea a few weeks ago, they asked me to read a book they had brought with them and I agreed but they wouldn't read my recommendation. If you are so sure of your belief then testing it shouldn't be a problem.

If you want to convince people about an afterlife then you need to have facts. Saying 'heaven is not like life on earth' is vague and doesn't actually say anything at all. Remember, 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence'.

FarBetterNow Actually, it was the hatred of people that believed in heaven that caused witches and wise women to be burnt at the stake.

Suffer not a witch to live.

thebody Sat 18-May-13 15:55:11

They can also provide a wonderful comfort service to bereaved adults.

To call all these people scum bags is very nasty.

If people seek and need a service then they provide it.

Nothing wrong with that.

squoosh Sat 18-May-13 15:57:18

I don't think the afterlife is something you could ever convice someone to believe/disbelieve in.

If you do believe in an afterlife why would you care about those who thought differently? If you definitely believe an afterlife does not exist well then why would you waste your time worrying about people who do?

Each to their own I say.

If it brings comfort to somebody to be told something by a clairvoyant/ fortune teller ect.

Doesnt do any harm I dont believe

seeker Sat 18-May-13 16:01:43

"That ghastly Sylvia Brown woman told Amanda Berry's mum that ah was dead. She stopped hunting for her daughter and died heartbroken.

Bizarrely, some relations have said they still belive in her and trust her even after that.

The stupidity and credulity of some people is breathtaking.

OrlaKiely Sat 18-May-13 16:02:09

It's a false comfort though.

expatinscotland Sat 18-May-13 16:04:37

It's a crock of shit.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 16:04:46

thebody If you have a physical illness you go to a doctor whom has undergone years of training and gained an accredited qualification in order to help you recover. There is no such thing with mediums or psychics.

If you are bereaved you can go to see a medium that may or may not have had training in cold reading, Barnum statements and maybe even magic. You normally pay a sum of money to be told something that might ring a bell, might not. If it does then the grief is lifted for a short while but then you want more so pay more money and so on. It either becomes addictive for those that actually need professional help via bereavement counselling or a complete let down for those that the medium can't help thus compounding their grief.

Why aren't these mediums and psychics held accountable for the grief they cause? If a doctor gives you the wrong medicine, he can be stripped of his license, a medium just moves on to the next victim.

OrlaKiely Sat 18-May-13 16:04:55

'The date we die is set before we are born.' Okayyyyy

thebody Sat 18-May-13 16:05:06

Crapwithbears,

Thanks but these are extreme examples of fraudsters preying on vulnerable people. There are bad people in every profession and industry.

Doesn't mean they are all like this and definatly doesn't mean that some people need protecting from them. Just because YOU personally don't like it doesn't mean you have the right to call them all scumbags and those who use them vulnerable

Some provide a fantastic comfort to some people.

You don't have to use them do you?

OrlaKiely Sat 18-May-13 16:06:07

Expat I totally agree. I remember you describing some old geezer from where you live, trying to predict the future one time - I can't remember what it was all about but he sounded like an objectionable nutter.

expatinscotland Sat 18-May-13 16:07:25

'They can also provide a wonderful comfort service to bereaved adults.'

By scamming them and lying to them? No, thanks.

notbotheredreally Sat 18-May-13 16:08:42

Not bothered: You can change some of your future. We all have freedom of choice.
Certain key happenings in our lives are set before we are born, the rest of our lives is through freedom of choice.
The date we die is set before we are born.

FarBetterNow and you know this how ?

seeker Sat 18-May-13 16:08:58

Some are crooks and fraudsters.

Some genuinely believe they have a gift.

They are both taking money under false pretences. And even if they are doing it for free, they are still doing something dishonest.

They are all 'preying' on people, vulnerable or not, by lying and pretending they are in touch with the dead or can tell the future.

I don't use them, but I know someone who was conned out of money by several psychics who told him they could get in contact with his murdered mother. He was a teenager at the time.

thebody Sat 18-May-13 16:09:06

Ok I can only speak personally here.

My dd was involved in a fatal accident. She survived thank god.

She had counselling and REM, no help.

Saw a psychic and although we were sceptical this person has helped her immeasurably. Also unlike the councellor and REM she didn't charge a penny.

She is most definatly not a scumbag.

nenevomito Sat 18-May-13 16:10:04

It's all a load of bollocks. I loved how Derren Brown showed how it was done. I feel sorry for all the people who get sucked in when they're low and vulnerable.

seeker Sat 18-May-13 16:10:22

She was probably a very good listener. Nothing to do with being a "psychic"

scottishmummy Sat 18-May-13 16:10:34

psychics,tarot,clairvoyants all utter made up tosh at best staged humour at worst exploitative
they cleverly draw information,paraphrase and play on suggestion to dupe people
it's worst when they suggest they can communicate with deceased

expatinscotland Sat 18-May-13 16:11:45

My child died. Part of living on is accepting that dead people do not come back. Ever. Through mediums or trances or anything. Peddling otherwise to bereaved relatives is doing them a disservice.

thebody Sat 18-May-13 16:13:08

If it makes people feel better then it works.

Posters have hair done, nails done, shop, drink wine all to feel better. None of this is free?

They provide a service which you can access or not.

Personal choice.

MalcolmTuckersMum Sat 18-May-13 16:13:43

I have no evidence on which to base belief or otherwise in these things but I do think this - anyone who is prepared to state without fear of contradiction that such things are complete rubbish is as bad as anyone who states the opposite. Well, to my way of thinking anyway, since it is quite clear to me that either way, nobody knows for absolute sure.

OrlaKiely Sat 18-May-13 16:14:33

oh can anyone link to derren brown doing that? I always assumed he was a twat but if he's explaining the con that's quite good.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 16:16:25

No he's not a twat, he's fab <swoon>
If you're in the UK have a look at this.

One psychic told him that his mother was thinking of him and his father, loved them and missed them and was watching over them. Which would be lovely, except for the fact that it was his dad who murdered his mother after years of domestic violence.

Tie that in with all the 'facts' she told him his mother was telling her and imagine how comforting that was for him to hear.

OrlaKiely Sat 18-May-13 16:16:51

Malcolm I understand that, however I know in a lot of cases it is set up as a con, there are people on here who have had jobs working on 'psychic' telephone lines etc

True there may be an afterlife but I'm talking about those who seek to exploit.

thebody Sat 18-May-13 16:16:57

Expat, I know from your other posts and am beyond imagining your pain.

This clairvoyant helped my dd when she needed it and we were at wits end are grateful but if course it's just our experience.

Again so very very sorry for your loss. I certainly never meant to sister we you in any way.

OrlaKiely Sat 18-May-13 16:17:29

thanks Itsokay smile

seeker Sat 18-May-13 16:17:31

I can't be certain that the sun will rise tomorrow morning either. Or that when I switch the kettle on the water will get hotter not colder. But I can be as sure as it is possible to be.

The same can be said of psychics. Or any claims of supernatural powers. The results have never, ever been reproduced when even the mildest of scientific investigation has been applied to them.

scottishmummy Sat 18-May-13 16:17:41

I agree expat.the deceased gone.they're not coming back
and frauds suggesting otherwise are cruel and opportunistic
IMO,The hardest part of grief is knowledge someone you love with is gone

expatinscotland Sat 18-May-13 16:17:49

It's immoral and an insult to the dead, IMO, thebody.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 16:18:37

hear hear seeker

expatinscotland Sat 18-May-13 16:19:46

'Oh, I can lie contact the dead, disturb their rest, to help those on Earth feel better.' Pretty sick, when you think of it. If I hear of anyone trying seeking someone to 'channel' my sweet, innocent child to make themselves feel better about her death it will be all I can do not to punch them.

notbotheredreally Sat 18-May-13 16:21:01

i saw one very good medium told me names , places, times,pictures,birthdays,loads of relevant stuff without me uttering a word he talked for 45min solid so to me he was great, but i have seen some very bad fortune tellers, stuff never happened and then they say oh you must of chose a different path, no sorry if you could see my future would it matter what path i chose .

expatinscotland Sat 18-May-13 16:22:42

Exactly, scottishmummy. It's insulting to the dead, and cruel to those bereaved.

Jan49 Sat 18-May-13 16:24:00

It's obvious why cats don't have religion. Because it would involve worshipping someone other than themselves.grin

I think what's left when someone dies is your memory of them and how they influence your life. They are memories and live on through you in that way. But they are gone.

overprotection Sat 18-May-13 16:29:59

Interesting that we have 2 threads running, one about religion being taught in schools where the consensus is that religion is so important to some people that children should be educated about it so that they can respect the belief of others.

In this one however the consensus is that psychics are deceptive and what they say in made up and should be despised.

Religion is deceptive and was all invented by various randomers, and to those who believe in psychics this belief is often very important to them. Why the double standards?

seeker Sat 18-May-13 16:30:01

"i saw one very good medium told me names , places, times,pictures,birthdays,loads of relevant stuff without me uttering a word he talked for 45min solid so to me he was great,"

Have you got a recording?

It is an entire industry based on insulting the dead and exploiting people's grief.

Far from wanting to burn witches I'd much rather they sought help with their apparent mental health difficulties.

thebody Sat 18-May-13 16:35:10

I think we are all absolutely entitled to believe in any religion, creed or otherwise as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

We are all absolutely entitled to deal with grief and bereavement in any way that we can and any way that helps those left to survive.

Every way is not necessarily the same and none are wrong.

Samu2 Sat 18-May-13 16:40:21

I went to see a medium at a Spiritualist Church once with my mother, it was all completely free.

My Granddad apparently came through and the medium told us that I recently put a picture up of a little blonde boy in the shed (it was my son, he wasn't with me, the person has never met me) she also told me a lot of things that is impossible to have known unless you were in my house at the time but I won't go into all the things she said here. I am not silly, I know exactly how to stick to yes and no answers only and how not to let myself lead them, the things she said were all said before I even opened my mouth.

I am an agnostic and a cynical bitch but it impressed me and they didn't get a penny from me. I often wonder if basically they can tap into energy or something as I don't believe that loved ones are hanging around waiting to talk to people, but I do believe that we all have energy and some can tap into that, if that makes any sense.

There are a lot of cons out there who very clearly fish and you give them all the answers without even realising and there are those who pray on people but the lady I saw was none of those things.

Still don't believe it was a spirit though. Maybe she was just an amazing mind reader grin

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 16:41:40

I disagree thebody, please watch the Derren Brown programme I linked to, there is so much harm caused by these charlatans.

KitchenandJumble Sat 18-May-13 16:45:47

Of course YANBU. I'm surprised anyone believes any of this stuff, but clearly people do. I think that preying on vulnerable people who have lost loved ones is terribly immoral. I'd love to see a medium who claims to have a gift actually participate in a scientific study.

FarBetterNow Sat 18-May-13 16:49:43

ItsOkay: I was brought up RC.
Then rejected all religion.
Then joined a meditation class, which costs £8.00 for 2.5 hours and often there are only three of us, so I don't think the class leader is making a mint out of that.
I've always loved old churches and other spiritual sites, stone circles etc.

I cannot prove what I believe and don't really want to prove it.
But we are all free to believe what we want and I do not deride or hate others with different beliefs.

thebody Sat 18-May-13 16:52:37

There is harm done by many people in many walks of life.

There are bad doctors,teachers, priests that doesn't mean that all doctors, teachers and priests are bad does it?

Of course a programme focusing on the bad things some psychics do will feature only bad ones.

They don't make programmes about the good psychics can do as its not particularly good TV is it?

You can't tar all with one brush. So unfair.

FarBetterNow Sat 18-May-13 17:09:02

It is an entire industry based on insulting the dead and exploiting people's grief.

Some of them, maybe. But that is an incredibly sweeping statement and quite offensive.
Simililar to saying:
all vicars and priests are paedophiles.

notbotheredreally Sat 18-May-13 17:30:03

seeker i did have a recording at the time but it was about 10 years ago so no longer have the tape sad

Bumpotato Sat 18-May-13 17:33:35

I used to love readings as a gullible teenager.

Since growing old up I don't believe.

However, I went with a relative to see a lady when I was 18. This woman took bookings once a year and it was almost impossible to get an appointment with her if you didn't call her on the day/week once a year that she took bookings. She charged but it was £10 or something and she said that all the money went to the local cat and dog home. She had cats and dogs and was obviously an animal lover so no reason not to believe she was donating the money.

We went to her house. The readings were in this lady's kitchen.

The first thing she did was spread some pebbles in a circle on the table (or ask me to do it, I can't remember). She then spelled out my brother's name, as if she could see letters on the pebbles and told me he was in the Navy. This was corrrect. My brother has a relatively unusual name with a few different spellings and she got his spelling right.

She said a few other things about me that although now I cannot remember what they were I did think at the time she was good.

Then she told me that in the next week a friend who was learning to drive would ask me to sit with them while they drove. The woman was quite clear with me that the person would not ask for a driving lesson but for me to sit with them. She said the person would take a wrong turning, would be driving too fast and there would be an accident and that it was important that I didn't go when asked. I was a bit spooked but didn't think much more of it and couldn't at the time think of anyone who would actually ask me to sit with them as they drove as I think that in order to do this you have to have been driving for more than a few months yourself (?).

Less than a week later my neighbour across the road who was my learning to drive chum knocked on my door and asked me very clearly to sit with her while she drove (not for a driving lesson). I made excuses and didn't go. My pal was pissed off at me, I could tell. I didn't tell her why I wasn't going as (1) I didn't 100% believe that a little old lady could predict the future and (2) I thought my mate would think I was a bam.

Anyway the next day my pal's mum came to the door to say she'd been in an accident and although she hadn't been seriously injured she was being kept in overnight for observation.

What had happened was my mate had got her boyfriend to sit with her while she drove, instead of me. She went on to a roundabout and he was asking her to turn right or left but she went straight on. The road took them out of town but was a narrow B road. She was driving too fast (as she did) and clipped the side and the car ended up on its roof in a field. Both of them got out with just cuts and bruises. My pal had a few stitches to the top of her head.

I told my pal when I saw her about what the lady had said to me. She said it gave her the shivers...especially because when the policeman spoke to her he said he couldn't understand why they'd got away with just minor injuries as the roof of the car was so crushed it was level with the steering wheel.

This woman didn't claim to be talking to dead relatives or anything she just concentrated on the pebbles.

I think the Derek Acorahs of this world are con artists. I think that as an 18 year old, yes it would be obvious that I might be a new driver but the woman gave me details that weren't easily guessable is that a word?

Flobbadobs Sat 18-May-13 17:46:02

Actually Tarot can be very useful, it just depends on how you use it.
I read cards for myself, never anyone else but I don't use them to tell me what to do, more to open myself up to thinking about a problem in a different way.
For example:
I am considering HEing my eldest at the moment. So I may use a spread to help me work through the issue. The first card I draw is Death. This means the end of one period of your life and the beginning of a more fruitful era. If I took the card at face value I could say that changing his education is what I need to do but thats not how I use the cards. Drawing this card helps me to focus: what would I need to change in order to successfully HE? I can then work through any issue I can think of, turn my next card over and more often than not the meaning of the card will throw me another issue I might not have thought of.
Thats a fairly simplistic example but it's how I and many of my friends who read cards use them.

Psychics on the other hand are generally bollocks from my experience, cold reading and guesswork for the most part..

Bumpotato Sat 18-May-13 17:49:54

Flobba...so they're a tool to help you think things through rather than cards with special powers?

Flobbadobs Sat 18-May-13 17:51:46

Thats right, a form of meditation in a way, the cards don't hold any powers at all, they're just pieces of card with pictures on!
The 'power' if you like is my own capacity to read the meaning of the card and process it.

CalamityKate Sat 18-May-13 17:53:15

These people are either:

Mentally ill (small percentage)
Deluded (usually the sweet old lady who doesn't charge)
Or (mostly) perfectly aware that psychic powers dont exist and making a very good living from exploiting grieving people.

They make me sick.

MalcolmTuckersMum Sat 18-May-13 17:57:39

Of course it's true that there are con artists out there - they've seen a business opportunity in the vulnerable/grief striken/gullible. That is how any con artist operates - they'd have no market if everyone was totally switched on and on top of things.
Post by thebody at 16:52:37 is spot on.

ecclesvet Sat 18-May-13 18:00:07

People are of course entitled to their own opinion. But the 'abilities' of mediums, fortune-tellers, etc are not a matter of opinion, but of fact. People are not entitled to their own facts.

FarBetterNow Sat 18-May-13 18:06:12

Calamity: That is an offensive sweeping statement.

seeker Sat 18-May-13 18:07:51

"seeker i did have a recording at the time but it was about 10 years ago so no longer have the tape "

Why am I not surprised! grin

notbotheredreally Sat 18-May-13 18:09:30

seeker what are you surprised at ?

notbotheredreally Sat 18-May-13 18:10:43

*not

seeker Sat 18-May-13 18:11:48

Far better now- no it isn't.

FarBetterNow Sat 18-May-13 18:12:50

Notbothered: Seeker thinks you are a liar.

Flobbadobs Sat 18-May-13 18:13:55

Oh and by the way MarianaTrench I am a Witch and don't need help with any mental health problems thank you.
People committing fraud are criminals not mentally ill. Taking money off people under false pretences is fraud I believe, whether they use supposed psychic abilities or sell them a dodgy car.
A good tarot reader or Scryer will not charge for a reading, I don't know one who does. In fact many of us only read for ourselves or friends/family as a favour (or in my case in return for a glass of wine blush grin).
Tarring us all in the same way and putting me in the same class as Derek Acorah et al is making me want to break out the toading stick...

notbotheredreally Sat 18-May-13 18:17:02

is that why you asked if i had a tape so i could let you listen ? why would i it wouldnt make sense to you it was personal to me , why would i lie about a medium telling me things that i believe , as long as it made sense to me i dont see a problem. it shouldnt bother anyone what anyone else believes , i dont believe in god, fortune tellers or aliens but some people do , thats up to them smile

seeker Sat 18-May-13 18:17:30

Seeker doesn't. Seeker thinks you are a person who wants to believe and so , quite naturally, has a selective memory of so merging that happened 10 years ago and for which you now have no evidence.

If you could go bacteria to the tape now I guarantee that it would be full of generalisations, vague statements and lots of that plain were 't true. You' be forgotten them. That's how it works.

seeker Sat 18-May-13 18:19:24

Sorry about the typos!

FarBetterNow Sat 18-May-13 18:19:39

Calamity: Ok, I am not mentally ill, I am not deluded and I am not a thief.

I live my life to the principles of Harm No One.
I find your comments ignorant & offensive.

RationalThought Sat 18-May-13 18:26:19

FarBetterNow "The date we die is set before we are born."

You really believe this? So I can drink, smoke and eat as much as I like and not die earlier than I would otherwise have done?

ssd Sat 18-May-13 18:27:08

can anyone explain this then?

when a psychic tells you the name of a deceased relative, how they died, what they were wearing and what the room looked like, their age and the keepsakes they left, without ever meeting you before, how do you explain this?

notbotheredreally Sat 18-May-13 18:28:13

i remember important stuff very well , but i just cant seem to remember the boring stuff , sorry what did your last post say seeker smile

DoctorAnge Sat 18-May-13 18:29:55

That woman Sally (?) who puts on that little girl voice when talking about a dead child waiting for someone in the audience to pipe up.

Then driving off in her 90k car to the next show.

It's so utterly sick.

HazleNutt Sat 18-May-13 18:30:27

There is a lot of interesting cold reading info available if you just google. Explains most of the "but how could they know??" statements.
One example: "On one occasion I observed a tealeaf reader. The client actually spent 75% of the time talking. Afterward when I questioned the client about the reading she vehemently insisted that she had not uttered a single word during the course of the reading. The client praised the reader for having astutely told her what in fact she herself had spoken."

Paul Zennon demonstrates how it's done here ssd it's not that difficult, you just have to practice a bit first.

bruffin Sat 18-May-13 18:33:30

I was listening to Iain Lee on LBC one night. He had a letter from someone who claimed to be a psychic and had dreamed about Iain and his house. He described the furniture and the work that was being done. Iain was gobsmacked how accurate it was. He rang him up and spoke to him and again was amazed at the accuracy
Earlier in the programme he talked about selling stuff on ebay and one of the things was fairly unusual. This was a running theme on the programme and and had mentioned the stuff earlier. So i looked on ebay and found the stuff he was selling and there and behold all the things the "psychic" mentioned were in the photos on ebay.
I emailed him and he was disgusted how easily he was taken in.

ssd Sat 18-May-13 18:34:38

haven't clicked on that yet crapswith, but I didn't answer him or say yes or no, I just sat in stunned silence, he never asked any questions, just started talking to me

CalamityKate Sat 18-May-13 18:35:44

If anyone can point to any real PROOF that ANY of these "abilities" actually exist then I will apologise for my "sweeping statements".

Real proof that is. Clue: anecdotes don't count.

Until real PROOF exists then there is no reason to think that my previous post doesn't sum the whole thing up.

As for being deluded - well nobody thinks they are. That's kind of how it works hmm

You don't have to say yes or no, they could probably read you via non-verbal cues which you wouldn't realize you were doing.

seeker Sat 18-May-13 18:43:25

If somebody gets James Randi's million bucks then I might be persuaded.....

seeker Sat 18-May-13 18:45:44

In areas like Bradford where there was a big weaving industry, psychics ask if anyone had a grandmother with a missing finger. It was a very common industrial injury- somebody usually did.......

CalamityKate Sat 18-May-13 18:48:30

Seeker - quite.

It's a no brainer really isn't it?

Derren Brown and others of his ilk can replicate what "mediums" claim to be able to do.
There has NEVER been any real proof that what they claim is real.

Therefore, common sense suggests that they are using the same methods that Derren Brown et al use; very much non-psychic ones.

Whether they THINK they've got some sort of gift (the well-meaning deluded ones) or not, the methods are the same.

CalamityKate Sat 18-May-13 18:51:10

My friend always harps on about a medium she went to see, who "amazingly knew" that her dad liked clean shiny shoes.

This was after she'd correctly guessed that he'd been in the army.

An ex serviceman who liked shiny shoes. Who'd have thought it?!

Gossipmonster Sat 18-May-13 18:55:38

I have a friend whose son died of cancer a few yrs ago (early teens)

She is always posting on FB that she is going to these Physic's and it makes me feel sad as they are just taking money from a vulnerable person clutching at any possibility of contact with her son.

I don't believe any of it any more than I believe in God.

CalamityKate Sat 18-May-13 18:57:26

It's revolting Gossipmonster.

These people are parasites.

Bumpotato Sat 18-May-13 18:59:39

I only thought about the "psychics" and how evil they are when there was a documentary on a couple of years ago. Some bereaved people were paying thousands, fucking thousands, to these people.

It ceases to become "entertainment" at anything over a few quid.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sat 18-May-13 19:13:15

I once went to see a well known medium (well known amongst the medium circuit apparently, Paul something?) to see how well he did.

I thought I'd test him a bit though. I shoved a jumper up my top (to look pg) and put my nan's old wedding ring on my wedding finger (I was single and without DS at the time). I just thought, if he picks me then I'll agree with anything he says. He had such a time with me! He kept talking about 'new footsteps in the sand', 'new arrivals calming my mind' and the presence of a loved one being with me to guide me. None of it made any sense to me, he even told me that my mum would watch over me from the spirit world (as far as I know, she is alive and kicking).

So, as a medium/ psychic, he didn't even know that I was faking being pregnant. How come he was/is a big name in this circle?

expatinscotland Sat 18-May-13 19:52:54

'We are all absolutely entitled to deal with grief and bereavement in any way that we can and any way that helps those left to survive.'

Then I hope it's never your dead child or loved one being exploited to put a sticking plaster of lies on someone else's grief, because quite frankly, it makes me sick to my stomach. No one is 'entitled' to FA.

CalamityKate Sat 18-May-13 19:57:00

Oh yes. Sally Morgan putting on the voices of dead children.

There are no words to describe how much I loathe what she does. Vile creature.

expatinscotland Sat 18-May-13 20:09:55

I have a friend who is being exploited similarly, gossipmonster. She's going to these so-called churches, learning to become a medium to make contact with her son who died of cancer a couple of years ago. It's appalling.

carlywurly Sat 18-May-13 20:51:28

I've got a cd recording from a reader from a couple of years ago who was incredibly accurate, and was very specific.

I've also got a good friend who reads tarot, for free, and regularly tells me things she cannot possibly have known from me.

I also once went to a psychic show where the bloke referred to my grandma by her full (unusual) name, both first and surname and relayed a true story about her. That was bizarre.

So I'm a lot more open minded than the majority on this thread to the possibility of some people being genuine, but do also agree there are an awful lot of frauds about.

CalamityKate Sat 18-May-13 21:08:23

It isn't being closed minded to say that there has never been proof. It's stating fact.

Well, Doris Stokes used to read the obituary notices in the local papers before every show... She also had 'helpers' chatting to the audience as they were queueing to get in. That's one way of getting a good reading. Another thing a lot of these con artists do is make you wait for an appointment so they can do some digging. If you are one of these poor sad deluded sods who consults woo-peddler after woo-peddler, quite a few of them will have been sharing the information with each other...

As to comforting the bereaved, a mate of mine posted a piece on Facebook the other week, which is utterly wonderful and if I ever have to do a funeral again I'm going to steal and paraphrase it (because it's addressed to a heterosexual adult man so needs adapting for anyone else) - it's basically a truthful comfort for the bereaved, to the extent that those we have lost are essentially still with us because energy cannot be created or destroyed.

^The warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.

According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly.^

candyandyoga Sat 18-May-13 22:49:29

Op here. Flobadobs, I completely respect where you are coming from and agree there are genuine people but very very few I reckon. Isn't there a theory that anyone could see into the future? Isn't it right that there is no time?

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself...

But I think that the general consensus here that most so called fortune tellers are bogus is spot on.

Bumpotato Sat 18-May-13 23:05:10

Even though I'd know it was tosh, I'd still enjoy a reading from someone who was good at it, for example, Derren Brown.

candyandyoga Sat 18-May-13 23:18:48

But Derrin brown just reads you?!

Bumpotato Sat 18-May-13 23:25:18

I know but it is entertaining, I think, and interesting.

myfriendflicka Sat 18-May-13 23:28:39

hi,

Just to add another dimension I just wanted to post about going to see a psychic after my DH died. Looking back I am not sure why I did, it may just have been part of the grieving process.

I drove all the way to Southampton, parted with 20 pounds and saw a very unpleasant woman. I felt as if I didn't really want to be in the room with her.

Stuff she said brought my DH to life but I was thinking of him all the time anyway.

Shortly after that I had a dream that he appeared in the bedroom and I went over to give him a hug and said something about how he should be pleased that i had missed him so much. He didn't say anything but somehow I knew he was thinking: "I'm dead - I can't be pleased, or feel anything or be anything any more."

The dream upset me enormously but I know it was part of me trying to come to terms with the fact he was dead and wasn't ever coming back. Going to see the psychic was possibly part of that coming to terms.

I think it is very harmful if you stay in that phase and keep going to see psychics. My closest friend was angry with me for going, but I have no desire whatsoever to do it again.

Bumpotato Sat 18-May-13 23:40:00

One my FB pals raves about a "psychic". Everyone who goes gets a great reading.

Funnily enough he takes his bookings through Facebook.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

YouMakeMeWannaLaLa Sun 19-May-13 00:08:43

I'm interested to hear anyone explain the physics of ghosts, psychics, religion etc.

For example, why do people report seeing ghosts in period costume or in their favourite dress etc. Even if a person could be a ghost, how are they 'wearing' clothes that are actually in a museum or have been burned or are in a charity shop etc. And if I were to see my dead grandad, would he have short,grey hair, or the long, black hair of his youth? Would he be frail and wasted, as he was when he died or would he be a strapping 20-something? It makes NO sense. A time 'slip' where you see an entire scene etc. makes more sense but I'm yet to see any proof of that.

Night terrors, sleep paralysis, dreams, auditory and visual hallucinations are very, very common yet people seem so quick to jump to a paranormal solution.

As for psychics...if they are for real, the physiology of their body must be different to everyone elses, for how else could they see/hear/feel spirits. If their physiology isn't different (it isn't, btw), then why don't our loved ones come directly to us? And how do they communicate? Sound (speech) and light (vision) require energy...tell me how it is physically possible, or at least have a guess because I'm stumped. If a spirit/ghost can summon up the energy to give a vague message to a third party like 'my granddaughter hung up a photo today', or collect and randomly drop a white feather, why can't they write a few comforting words in the steam of the mirror when I've had a shower?

My darling friend lost her 4 month old ds and has been to psychics. One told her to listen out for a noise in her hose after dark because it's her ds playing with his toys. I just smiled and made comforting noises when she relayed this 'truth' to me but please tell me how a 4 month old, who couldn't even sit up, let alone navigate could find his way to his mum's new house to sit in the corner in the dark, playing?

If you are after comfort and reassurance, go to a counsellor, who will listen and pay attention, like a psychic but will not feed you bullshit (well, some do...choose wisely wink) and talk to your friends and family. I understand why people use them but ultimately, it's a hollow comfort, chucking you scraps and platitudes.

Bumpotato Sun 19-May-13 00:17:22

Must be a living nightmare for your friend. Why would your friend DS prefer to play in the dark? It just highlights the ridiculousness of some of the shite they spout.

Good post.

YouMakeMeWannaLaLa Sun 19-May-13 00:36:53

Thanks Bumpotato

Horrible thought, isn't it. sad She chooses to find it comforting, but if at any point she analyses it further it has to cause more upset i.e. why does the baby do that rather than come to her or why does the psychic know more about her darling baby than her?

I couldn't sleep at night giving out false comfort like that.

ravenAK Sun 19-May-13 00:54:45

I like that too, sgb.

I'm just about prepared to accept, in a very limited way, the idea of mind-reading in certain circumstances. But this is a natural phenomenon, not a supernatural one - it's just about possible that the electrical activity in the human brain can occasionally kind of transmit on a frequency that another brain can recieve (after all, radio waves and frequencies existed before they were discovered). It's just about on the edges of possibility that someone in a crisis situation might involuntarily sort of amplify their brainwaves to the extent that they could communicate with someone else some distance away. But this has nothing to do with talking to the dead or predicting the future. So it's just about on the edge of possibility that a person might 'know' when someone s/he loves is dying.
And it's just about possible that some individuals might be better at 'recieving' such signals than others, if you think of it as a spotty, imperfect, evolutionary quirk (because it's not all that useful) such as having perfect pitch or an unusually accurate and detail-retaining memory.
So maybe a 'psychic' who is sincere rather than a practiced con artist could have a moderately high rate of right answers, but mostly the ones who genuinely believe in the bullshit they peddle are lamentably inaccurate. So it's probably a load of old willy.

CalamityKate Sun 19-May-13 01:37:06

YouMakeMeWannaLaLa

YYY to the steam on the mirror! I've said similar before. Random white feathers...moving objects...why not just pick up a pen, right in front of someone and write a note?

If "spirit" are so keen to prove their existence surely rather than do stuff that - amazingly - could be put down to other causes then wouldn't picking up a pen and filling in a crossword in front of a few people remove doubt and silence all us "closed minded" lot? hmm

YouMakeMeWannaLaLa Sun 19-May-13 01:42:46

Yes SGB that's the kind of physical explanation that I was looking for that may make sense; thoughts being transmitted as waves.

But then that leads you to believe that they'd be transmitted to those in the vicinity, or those on their frequency.

So it doesn't explain how 'psychics' can pick up messages from the dead relatives of those sitting in front of them or how anyone can tell the future.

But it could, possibly, be the basis of an experiment into people 'knowing' past recent events or 'mind reading. Maybe smile

CalamityKate Sun 19-May-13 01:52:35

It's all just so transparently ludicrous. How come the dead can't answer a straight question?

Medium: " Your dad says you've just been decorating. Clear as day he said that. 'she's decorating at last' he says"
Punter: "ooh yes! Can you ask him where he put the insurance policy?"
Medium: "Hes showing me a drawer. Or a bookcase. Or it could be a filing cabinet somewhere. Ooh he's fading out...he's waving...he says he loves you...he's gone"

BOF Sun 19-May-13 02:33:04

I guess that some clairvoyants can land on something plausible. It doesn't prove anything though.

squoosh Sun 19-May-13 02:57:52

All I know is that I've had a couple of experiences in my life where I've predicted events, for example I had a dream that healthy young relative was going to die. A week later they died.

I don't take pride in this fact, I didn't enjoy the experience and I didn't discuss it with anyone but it turned out to be exactly as I dreamed it.

How did this happen? Maybe it was just coincidence, it certainly didn't make me want to set up a stall and ask people to cross my hand with silver.

seeker Sun 19-May-13 08:26:21

Coincidences happen all the time. We don't notice them unless they are significant. It's like the thinking about someone and they ring us thing. You don't actually remember the 100 times you think about the person and they don't ring.

ItsOkayItsJustMyBreath Sun 19-May-13 08:27:05

squoosh I have had 3 dreams about women I know being pregnant and they have turned out to be true but then I am 35 and have had thousands of dreams that haven't been true. Coincidences sometimes make us feel uncomfortable and I am sorry for your loss.

headinhands Sun 19-May-13 08:29:51

Squoosh, what about the dreams you have has that didn't come true? It's forgetting the misses and concentrating on the hits which is how cold reading works.

ParadiseChick Sun 19-May-13 08:45:45

The only experience I've had is in a spiritualist church. It meets weekly, has visiting mediums plus resident ones, it's free, anyone can walk in, you don't book or mill about before hand. The medium stands at the front then picks people from the crowd (I say crowd but your talkin 30 people really) and passes on messages.

I had one which was a message from my grandad, before I 'claimed' it the medium described him, the three sons right down to the motorbikes my dad keeps which was odd. He wanted to tell my dad to slow down. My dad had just suffered a small stroke and was back at work doing on call and weekends as if nothing had happened.

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