To think Disney's 'makeover' of Meridia from Brave is sexualised, insulting crapshit&

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Have a read about it [http://m.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/may/13/brave-director-criticises-sexualised-merida-redesign?CMP=twt_gu here]]

Apols if this has already been pointed out today! I'm just in from work & saw it. [anger]

Oh bum.

Link: here

And angry here!!

Startail Mon 13-May-13 20:13:22

If this is for real it's shit, she's great just the way she is.

And Merida. I got there in the end...

here

Oh FFS angry

Oh and YANBU of course.

StuntGirl Mon 13-May-13 20:16:29

It's pathetic. I signed the petition this morning.

OddBoots Mon 13-May-13 20:19:12

I think the trouble that Disney know that her doll next to the other 'princesses' would show the others up as being of unrealistic proportion so they have seen no choice.

DoctorAnge Mon 13-May-13 20:20:21

Fucking AWFUL isn't it?

Where is the petition?

StuntGirl Mon 13-May-13 20:22:40

It's linked to in the guardian article.

StuntGirl Mon 13-May-13 20:23:30
Amrapaali Mon 13-May-13 20:25:34

Meh. I don't see the fuss, TBH. It IS Disney, after all. Its what they've always done. Their heroines are fresh, wholesome, gutsy girls/women in their movies. But when it comes to marketing their crap stuff, all of the princesses are dolled up in awful makeup and striking idiotic poses.

Pocahontas, Mulan none escaped the "makeover". Don't know if Merida is supposed to be younger than all the others, but the flicky eyeliner could have been avoided. And what happened to her bow???

JanePlanet Mon 13-May-13 20:26:01

Urgh, how disappointing. YANBU.

LadyBeagleEyes Mon 13-May-13 20:32:16

Is it just me that doesn't see much difference between the two of them.confused?

StuntGirl Mon 13-May-13 20:33:32

Are you looking at the wrong picture lady? grin

MummyBurrows Mon 13-May-13 20:34:28

If I didn't know any better I wouldn't even think it was the same character!! It looks more like a new character they're going to add if they make a Brave 2 and its going to be Merida's slutty long-lost older sister who needs rescuing from her pimp rather than what it actually is which is apparently the same head strong tomboy teenage Merida!! Absolutely disgusting!! If its not broke don't fix it!! There is absolutely nothing wrong with the original Merida!!

CloudsAndTrees Mon 13-May-13 20:38:15

I don't see the big deal. It's Disney.

If they hadn't made her look more appealing then she wouldn't have fitted in with the other princesses. Which would be fine, except the other ones do look more attractive IMO, and possibly in the opinions of many little girls, and you are not going to create a character with qualities that girls want to aspire to be like if they aren't attracted to her.

StuntGirl Mon 13-May-13 20:41:53

In fairness there's nothing slutty about the new character. She's clearly older with a slimmer waist to accentuate her hips and boobs more, her hair is thicker, lighter in colour and the curls more defined, her face shape and facial features are different (almond shaped eyes, thinner nose, pout-ier lips) and she's wearing make up. Oh, and that bloody glittery dress. But she's not slutty.

kim147 Mon 13-May-13 20:46:04

In the film, she hated her tight dress.

But obviously she's got over that issue now.

I saw that today, really really pissed off.

LadyBeagleEyes Mon 13-May-13 20:54:25

I haven't seen the film I must admit.

Petition signed.

I think it is a big deal and just saying 'ah well, Disney have always done it' is not good enough.
They shouldn't have done it with Pocahontas or Mulan if they did as well - I wouldn't know; Disney stores make my teeth itch grin

Fakebook Mon 13-May-13 21:04:05

I think the seductive eyes change her look. The waist isn't all that smaller, and her face is still round and plump. It's all in the eyes. She's lost her innocence with that ugly Bratz type eye makeup.

CrapBag Mon 13-May-13 21:37:58

I have signed it, thanks for the link.

I saw this story this morning and I was disgusted. I took DS to see Brave and while it isn't the best Disney film, I absolutely loved the character of Merida. How they have changed her is NOT how she would be, the gutsy person, in the film at all.

pointythings Mon 13-May-13 22:32:46

I've signed this. I felt Merida was at last a step in the right direction, disgusting that they've backtracked this way.

JumpingJackSprat Mon 13-May-13 23:57:14

Ladybeagle i cant see what the fuss is about either. the differences are imperceptible.

Lazyjaney Tue 14-May-13 08:58:54

I can hardly see a difference either. Much ado about nothing.

KellyElly Tue 14-May-13 09:14:08

Can't really get my knickers in a knot about Disney characters, sorry, or Bratz dolls or barbies etc.

PatPig Tue 14-May-13 09:59:51

They look pretty similar to me. A bit narrower at the waist maybe.

themaltesecat Tue 14-May-13 10:14:12

Typical, unwatchable Disney shite. Who gives a toss?

Slutty? Really? confused

As far as I know the merchandise wasn't selling that well from brave. Maybe if everyone signing the petition had went out and bought the stuff they wouldn't have had to revert back to their tried and tested methods.

It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things anyway, steer your daughters towards more suitable role models if you hate disney so much.

Amrapaali Tue 14-May-13 11:10:50

The waist looks the same to me, the big belt makes it appear narrow... (Any time spent on S & B boards is not wasted!!)

The eyes are the culprits. They have a come-hither look. As MissyMoo said, not important in the grand scheme of the universe.

Effingjeff Tue 14-May-13 12:28:14

My 4 year old said 'she is beautiful as she is mummy-why are they changing her'? Fair point!!!

It's a bit hypocritical that they made this big song and dance about how she was perfect as she was, and they give her Bratzdoll eyes and a womanly figure.

PatPig Tue 14-May-13 14:23:51

Children and parents choose what to buy. If the 'natural' look sells, they would make more. It's not a conspiracy against women, it's just about making money.

Obviously it's not selling, so they are changing it slightly to try to increase sales. If they still don't sell, they will cancel it altogether.

StuntGirl Tue 14-May-13 16:41:27

I'm a bit worried about the eyesight of the posters who can't tell the difference! grin

TSSDNCOP Tue 14-May-13 18:27:27

She was fabulous as she was. I'm not a big Disney fan but I thought Merida Mark I epitomised the essence of the story.

RubyGates Tue 14-May-13 19:32:09

She was fine as she was.
She was a proper role model. Mark 2 is just another glamorous sparkly air-head.

trice Tue 14-May-13 19:47:29

I hate it. She is supposed to be a child not a page 3 stunner. Why can we not have a wider definition of beauty?

Did you see that they have made a cartoon that transforms my little ponies into busty young women? That is just bizarre. Sorry I can't link as I am on phone.

VivaLeBeaver Tue 14-May-13 19:49:50

I can't see a difference either. Maybe the eyes are a slightly different shape?

RunRabbit Tue 14-May-13 19:53:14

They should have redone the story instead. Very lack lustre for a Pixar film.

markymark Tue 14-May-13 20:09:19

Another who is disappointed. DD is 5 and loves the Disney princesses, I try and steer her away as can't stand them, but bought Brave as thought it was a good compromise. Why did they have to do this? Agree the changes aren't massive but they are significant as they are completely out of line with her character in the film. Eyeliner? When she complained about having her hair put up?

MuddlingMackem Tue 14-May-13 20:17:30

Very glad DD already has a Merida doll, and she won't be getting another one.

LemonPeculiarJones Tue 14-May-13 20:33:20

It fucked me off too.

Dismal, really. A character who was designed to be a bit more of a real girl reduced to a sexual stereotype.

The fact that she has been transformed into an older-looking, more sexual young woman, yet it supposed to be the same character, seems a worrying reflection of the pornification of everything and the sexualisation of kids in media, which is driven by morality-free and principle-free money grubbing.

Just as magazines didn't (don't?!) want black women on their covers because that edition would sell slightly less, Disney have purely sought to boost sales with the worst kind of brain-dead marketing.

It's that sort of formulaic money-trumps-ideology bullshit that is turning the studio into a factory of the mediocre.

RubyGates Wed 15-May-13 08:46:00
DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Wed 15-May-13 08:54:24

To all those who say they can't really see any difference ... try this, from a male cartoonist. He explains it very, very well...

GoblinGranny Wed 15-May-13 08:56:44

Does this help you see the differences, LadyBeagleEyes?
thedaysarelongandshort.com/post/50220183714/the-brave-and-the-bold

GoblinGranny Wed 15-May-13 08:57:23

Ha! Crosspost DonDraper. grin

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Wed 15-May-13 09:06:45

grin

Loved the old one, hate the new one... I've signed

StuntGirl Wed 15-May-13 09:22:19

Oh I love that link, brilliant work. I especially love the 'remodeled' Batman!

msrisotto Wed 15-May-13 09:38:00

Very good blog post

Lazyjaney Wed 15-May-13 17:06:02

Can't help thinking that if all the petition signatories had bought an original Merida, Disney would have kept her going. The silent majority clearly prefers Princesses.

Lazyjaney Wed 15-May-13 17:53:54

Disney has reconstituted Merida Mk 1 now, with 200,000 signatories to the petition. I was reading an article noting all the Disney heroines have been princessified, including Mulan who is a soldier, but there has been no similar outcry.

rainbowslollipops Wed 15-May-13 18:05:15

Doesn't fuss me. Dd hasn't seen the film so I highly doubt she'd be fussed either. I thunk there's bigger things to worry about.

rainbowslollipops Wed 15-May-13 20:32:22

Haha I just realised. You kick up a stink over this......anyone remember Jessica rabbit? Jasmine from Aladdin....all she wore was a bra and trousers. Don't remember petitions being done then. Who framed Roger rabbit. Yes it's not Disney but it is a family film as is Disney films. Get a grip

I've signed.

I think it is important because from an early age little girls are bombarded with this stereotype of 'perfect' and it is bollocks. I am proud that my DD thinks that princesses rescue people and I hope to keep her away from this unrealistic portrayal for as long as I can.

The original was lovely, a childrens character doesn't need to have makeup and her bow removed.

StuntGirl Wed 15-May-13 21:25:24

1. The collective power of the internet did not exist in 1988 or 1992, so any outcry wouldn't have been as widespread or had the same impact.

2. This is why it's important to kick up a stink over issues like this. Not everyone forms part of the heteronormative narrative, and it's important that a company as large and influential as Disney realises that and acts responsibly.

By changing their appearance Disney are saying "princess = pretty, thin and pale with a face full of make up". Now there's nothing wrong with being a thin, pretty girl who wears a lot of make up. But there's nothing wrong with being a plain looking girl more interested in other pursuits either.

I am loveing the Dorktower cartoon grin - go, Merida, go!!

The difference between Merida Mk1 and Jessica Rabbit or Jasmine is that, certainly for JR, it is integral for their character that they are sex pots. Sexist, an'all, but JB uses her amaaayzing sex appeal as a way to reach her goals. Jasmine I am more dubious about tbh... so fair point.

Having said that, I have 4 boys, went to see Brave in the cinema with the older 2 and they loved Merida. Any other Disney princess just makes them do retching noises... grinblush

rainbowslollipops Wed 15-May-13 21:30:04

So then its up to you to let your child know that skinny isn't "princess". Is it not? Could say the same about their prince charmings. That their first love will be their only love.

StuntGirl Wed 15-May-13 21:36:56

Well, as you have pointed out Disney have a multitude of sins (reshaping Tia's nose for fuck's sake). I am equally against all of them, it just so happens that this particular one is the most recent.

rainbowslollipops Wed 15-May-13 21:38:28

I just don't understand the need for the big hoo haa. Maybe I'm too laid back.

LynetteScavo Wed 15-May-13 21:39:38

I am missing something here. Are you all talking about the two pics at the top of the first link?

Is the the doll?

I haven't seen the film. Maybe that's why I'm having trouble getting worked up about this.

confused

StuntGirl Wed 15-May-13 21:42:04

The need is because they are a huge multinational corporation who play a large part in many children's childhoods. Even without ever seeing a Disney film, you only need to walk down your local high street or in your local supermarket to see tons of licensed products portraying and reinforcing the same messages as the films.

Not that it's any different when we reach adulthood <sigh>

rainbowslollipops Wed 15-May-13 21:44:04

I get that but surely isn't it also up to the parents to get the child to understand that everything can be beautiful?

LynetteScavo Wed 15-May-13 21:44:16

By changing their appearance Disney are saying "princess = pretty, thin and pale with a face full of make up".

A bit like this, maybe

Lazyjaney Wed 15-May-13 21:44:28

I think Disney should have read Mumsnet, this issue has been met with a resounding Meh here, if it was an issue it would have had hundreds of posts by now.

Clearly most people really couldn't give a toss.

rainbowslollipops Wed 15-May-13 21:45:57

I'm trying to get angry over this but I just can't.

StuntGirl Wed 15-May-13 21:47:38

Well Disney have backtracked already so enough people gave a toss to make them change their stance already grin

StuntGirl Wed 15-May-13 21:49:02

Kate Middleton is one of the pretty make up wearing princesses. Merida is not. They're both valid choices! But Merida should not have to conform to Kate's standards and vice versa.

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