Prince Harry

(231 Posts)
emeraldgirl1 Fri 10-May-13 00:02:33

AIBU to find it impossible NOT to have a sneaky crush?

Like pretty much every grown woman in America, apparently...

blush

Only a few years ago I was openly mocking a friend for her minor obsession with him.

And oh god I have just realised my mum fancies him too... blush blush

WannaBeANinja Fri 10-May-13 00:12:47

I really like Harry.

He seems so normal and easy going.

that, I think is why so many have "a crush" on him.

Id love to go out for a pint and a natter with him smile

squoosh Fri 10-May-13 00:26:14

YABU

ComposHat Fri 10-May-13 00:28:10

I wonder what his Dad would make of that

...and Prince Charles!

He's what my Gran would call a 'grudge baby' - someone's got it in for you!

1944girl Fri 10-May-13 00:48:21

Although I have never met Prince Harry or his brother, I just love Harry, much better than William.

KitchenandJumble Fri 10-May-13 01:02:19

Er, no thank you. I've never quite forgiven him for the Nazi costume. And he doesn't seem exactly over-endowed in the intelligence department. I don't find him at all attractive either. So you are more than welcome to him. smile

seeker Fri 10-May-13 01:05:21

"He seems so normal and easy going."

Yep. Perfectly normal.

Nazi costume for a party. "Our little Paki friend" Strip billiards.You might think all that's normal. I have a higher regard for men than that.

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 01:33:44

I think it's not that abnormal for reasonably nice but not too bright posh kids.

seeker Fri 10-May-13 08:18:35

"I think it's not that abnormal for reasonably nice but not too bright posh kids."

"really?"

Tailtwister Fri 10-May-13 08:21:49

Seriously? If he wasn't a Prince would you still find him attractive?

deedotty Fri 10-May-13 10:03:50

DOES HE MATCH DOWN THERE?

OrangeMabel Fri 10-May-13 10:08:55

ComposHat - what a nasty remark.

thegreylady Fri 10-May-13 10:09:26

Not for me-he is a rather daft lad and not specially good to look at. As for his parentage this has been done to death. I am sure he is Charles's son. DNA testing will have been done I am sure. He wouldn't be second in line after William if there were doubts.
Any scandal would have been attached firmly to Diana if it had been there.

seeker Fri 10-May-13 10:21:35

He's not a lad!!!!!! He's an adult man in his late 20s.

Sidge Fri 10-May-13 10:23:20

The Nazi costume was worn to a bad taste party. It's not like he wore it to an official function...

seeker Fri 10-May-13 10:27:54

"Our little Paki friend"?

CambridgeBlue Fri 10-May-13 10:32:21

In the pics of him in America at the moment he is the spit of Charles IMO.

PeppermintPasty Fri 10-May-13 10:34:13

YABVVVU. He is a dolt. I'm being polite.

Sidge Fri 10-May-13 10:40:07

I hadn't heard about the "Paki" comment. That's grim.

rambososcar Fri 10-May-13 10:44:26

An unattractive, not very bright man who wouldn't get a second glance were it not for his parentage? Er, no thanks, I'll pass. You're welcome to him.

sue52 Fri 10-May-13 10:50:23

No, I don't get it. The Nazi costume, casual racism and the feeling that in about 5 years time he will turn into a red haired version of Prince Andrew are a huge turn off.

ComposHat Fri 10-May-13 10:54:39

ComposHat - what a nasty remark

It wouldn't be a shock: both Charlie and St Diana put it about a bit during their marriage. If he does have a different father he almost certainly wont be the first or the last member of the Royal family to have a different father.

He wouldn't be second in line after William if there were any doubts

yeah I am sure the palace would be totally upfront about that one. I'm not even sure DNA testing existed in the early 80s.

Can you imagine the shitstorm: 'Erm you know that loutish ginger lad we thoight was third on line to the throne erm...he isn't!

rambososcar Fri 10-May-13 10:58:23

grin ComposHat.

orangemabel Compos' is "a nasty remark"? But you didn't comment about, "Our little Paki friend", did you? hmm

She was a well brought up little posh girl. I'm sure she knew well enough to produce "an heir and a spare" before "putting it about"

deedotty Fri 10-May-13 11:20:39

Anyone seen the pic of when he got back from the deserts of Afghanistan? shock

If not, it is HERE

Is gorgeous.

Ever since those naked pics came out I have developed a crush.

I would play naked games with him all night long

footphobic Fri 10-May-13 11:26:06

Apart from colouring obviously, Harry's resemblance to Charles is remarkable, can't see how there's doubt about his parentage.

Like the baby born as a result of the Boris Becker broom cupboard 'liason' . He denied paternity, they showed a picture of the baby, which was literally a mini and very cute replica of BB; it was so ridiculous that he denied it.

Badvoc Fri 10-May-13 11:27:15

He calls people who wear turbans "rag heads"
Uses the term "paki"
I think it's pretty much accepted he is JHs child isn't it?
He has no redeeming qualities whatsoever IMO.

livinginwonderland Fri 10-May-13 11:42:55

he looks so much like charles, i'm not sure how people can still argue that he's got a different father.

There is a photo of Prince Phillip at a similar age and he definitely takes after his Grandfather.

There is definitely something wickedly sexy about him.

ScumbagCollegeDropout Fri 10-May-13 11:58:52

I shagged someone who looks like him.

I was drunk and desperate for a shag though...

squoosh Fri 10-May-13 12:04:46

'wickedly sexy'

shock

boschy Fri 10-May-13 12:05:47

I think he's probably ok underneath... some idiotic remarks and behaviour which he's apologised for and is probably hideously embarassed by. Army banter and public school entitlement do seem vile if you are not part of that environment though.

I also think it must be so hard to do your growing up under a microscope, knowing that the press in particular are waiting for you to fuck up and leap on your mistake with glee and tell the world about it - whereas if you are an ordinary Tim Nice-But-Dim no one else except your social circle finds out about it.

SirChenjin Fri 10-May-13 12:07:46

If he didn't have the money or the status that he has no-one would give him a second glance - he'd just be one more drunken sunburned Brit on the Costas vomiting in the street. Far too many people are easily impressed by a bit of royalty.

SilverOldie Fri 10-May-13 12:09:32

I don't think his parentage is in doubt, he takes after Diana's family, he looks like her sisters.

He has said and done some stupid things but I think he's ok now he's grown up a bit.

squoosh Fri 10-May-13 12:11:01

He's not as bad as his Uncle Andrew I'll say that much.

DontmindifIdo Fri 10-May-13 12:15:48

Agree woth siliverOldie- if I did'nt know he was Diana's DS but was shown a photo of him and a photo of each of hte Spencer sisters and told to guess who's child he was, i'd say he was the DS of Lady Sarah thingy.

But yes, also have a bit of a crush on him. He's growing into his looks, actually does hold down a useful job, looks v sexy in uniform and has the air of a man who's really a very good shag. and has £10m in the bank from his mother's estate

ClartyCarol Fri 10-May-13 12:17:41

He'd be good to go for a pint with? Unless you're under 25, white, slim, blonde, thick and minted then I suspect he wouldn't go within a mile of you, never mind deign to have a pint with you.

And I'm sure that's not him in that photo.

seeker Fri 10-May-13 12:18:50

Well, if you like going for pints with racist gits.

ClartyCarol Fri 10-May-13 12:21:57

Racist gits / overprivileged tosspots.

LtEveDallas Fri 10-May-13 12:23:45

Seeker, are you aware of what the recipient of the 'paki friend' quote used to call his friend Prince Harry?

seeker Fri 10-May-13 12:24:35

I don't care.

Lottapianos Fri 10-May-13 12:25:08

I'm sure he's an enormous tosser and none too bright with it. I could imagine him propping up the bar of some posh git private members club, chortling at racist anecdotes and referring to women as 'fillies' and 'totty'.

I probably still would though, if I was plastered. But I would hate myself in the morning, for all sorts of reasons, so probably not worth it. I'm a bit of a fool for posh boys blush

seeker Fri 10-May-13 12:26:14

Anyone who can emerge from Eton with minimal GSSEs and A levels must, actually, be extremely thick indeed!

LtEveDallas Fri 10-May-13 12:28:15

I don't care

Ahh yes, because it's too easy just to think the worst of someone, without any actual knowledge of them.

OK, all cool smile

DomesticCEO Fri 10-May-13 12:28:48

His mother's brains and his father's looks.

What a catch hmm.

As others have said if he wasn't a prince you wouldn't like twice.

But then I don't get the fuss about his big brother other. Equally unappealing.

DomesticCEO Fri 10-May-13 12:29:42

Dallas, as seeker said he had the best education money can by and achieved utterly crap grades - bright he ain't!

rambososcar Fri 10-May-13 12:30:18

Oh be honest, Harry's a dim little Kraut, LtEve, you can't defend him!

LtEveDallas Fri 10-May-13 12:33:02

Dallas, as seeker said he had the best education money can by and achieved utterly crap grades - bright he ain't

Actually the Pilots exams that he took and absolutely smashed would tell another story, but it's OK, you don't want to hear that.

kim147 Fri 10-May-13 12:36:10

I'm sure he's fine as a pilot and did well on the exams.
Would he have got in to the Army based on his school exams and experience in the first place?

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 12:37:01

I agree with seeker! The Nazi thing is unforgivable tbh.

rambososcar Fri 10-May-13 12:38:49

"I'm sure he's fine as a pilot and did well on the exams.
Would he have got in to the Army based on his school exams and experience in the first place?"

Ahem. wink

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LtEveDallas Fri 10-May-13 12:45:44

Would he have got in to the Army based on his school exams and experience in the first place?

Yes. As long as he passed Pre-RCB and RCB (which he did). We have Officers joining now with no qualifications at all. They are better able to be judged on RCB than they are on academic achievements, that may be completely irrelevant to the Branch, Trade or Arm they wish to join.

SuffolkNWhat Fri 10-May-13 12:46:09
seeker Fri 10-May-13 12:46:46

"Ahh yes, because it's too easy just to think the worst of someone, without any actual knowledge of them."

So he didn't say the "our little Paki friend" thing? I apologise profusely to him if he didn't.

squoosh Fri 10-May-13 12:46:58

I don't see the Philip resemblance.

DontmindifIdo Fri 10-May-13 12:47:49

Seeker - depends if he actually did any work - normally Eton will throw out boys however bright if they don't make any effort, but I can't see them doing that to the Queen's DGS who's mum's had died so publicly just before he started at the school. Once he found something he actually wanted to do - ie. his military exams, he seems to have done very well - not something you can just blag your way though. I'd say "posh, bright but lazy" probably covers it until he found something he thought mattered.

Mind you, the threads on here with parents tearing their hair out trying to motivate their teenagers to study is a bit of an eye opener to me as I was a goody two shoes very keen to do well. Can you imagine trying to motivate Prince Harry? He's got £10m in the bank already from his mother's estate so threatening with cutting him off won't work, his entire life choices are "Army, Navy or Airforce?", and the press had labelled him from a young age as "the thick one". If he wasn't interested, I can't imagine how you'd get him to think GCSEs or A levels mattered...

rambososcar Fri 10-May-13 12:48:25

The resemblance between Harry and Philip is surely in the tact and diplomacy department, not the looks one?

ClartyCarol Fri 10-May-13 12:49:39

Neither do I. Post some of Harry and James Hewitt side by side wink.

SuffolkNWhat Fri 10-May-13 12:52:29

Diana met JH when Harry was THREE YEARS OLD.

FFS change the fucking record.

Sidge Fri 10-May-13 12:53:02

Didn't he admit on a recent interview that he didn't like school and isn't academic at all? But he loved flying/soldiering so made an effort and aced his assessments.

I think he said playing the X-Box for hours gave him an advantage!

EldritchCleavage Fri 10-May-13 12:54:29

Seriously, LtEve, are you suggesting using language like Paki is fine because one individual (of inferior rank if I remember rightly and hardly able to kick up a huge stink given Harry's privilege) hasn't objected?

Samu2 Fri 10-May-13 12:55:20

I don't understand how people find him attractive.

If he walked down the street I doubt most people would look twice, so it's the whole Prince thing, I think.

LtEveDallas Fri 10-May-13 12:56:22

That's not what I said (or asked) Seeker, as well you know. Don't lets be disengenious now.

The quote was taken out of context and used as a stick to batter him with. But no-one bothered to check the relationship between that group of lads, and the names they all called each other (which were all pretty horrible TBH). It made the news because it was Prince Harry, no-one gave a toss about what else was said - Do you even remember the names of the others involved?

andubelievedthat Fri 10-May-13 12:57:19

yeah like he really has to bother getting great grades ,cos he really needs a great job to say ,pay the mortgage? I bet he really worries re his naff grades,in between being shagable ,young ,loaded,cute, sought after. its his >shrug of shoulders,couldn"t really care less look< which is an attraction(imo)orf with their heads !(knickers)

Why would a died in the wool racist spend time and trouble on children in Lesotho?

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 13:01:12

He looks like Charles - same closely set eyes and wide mouth.

seeker Fri 10-May-13 13:02:53

He is in a privileged position. The fact that "little Paki friend", and "rag head" are terms that would get past his mental filter says everything I need to know about him.

I think all the faults and thoughtless stunts, from Nazi costumes to naked philandering in hotel rooms makes him very normal in certain parts of the population.

Not royal or even polite or well-mannered behaviour for sure.

I somehow expect more from the royals. Something more streamlined, something to look up to. Like, a role model. Harry is not that. He is like a rough and thoughtless Boris Johnson.

I did not mean to insult Boris Johnson there. Sorry Boris, I love you and your hair!

seeker Fri 10-May-13 13:07:29

"So unlike the home life of our own dear Queen"

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 13:08:42

Lt - why do you care if people don't like him? I judge anyone I meet who makes racist gestures and comments as not being all that nice.

I doubt he cares what people think of him anyway, otherwise he would be careful not to reveal that side of himself publicly.

EldritchCleavage Fri 10-May-13 13:13:18

I'm not being disingenuous-asked because I didn't know.

And I'm not saying Prince Harry is racist necessarily, only that he used racist language.

Oh leave the lad alone, he's not academic, but he's always been "the spare" so he can't do right for doing wrong. A lot of young men aren't good at school but find their talents elsewhere. I know his Dame (housemistress) from Eton & he was "a bit of a handful" even then, but aways very polite and a popular lad, he was probably bored stiff with formal studies & played up.

LtEveDallas I'm sure will correct me if I'm wrong but the impression I got from Forces friends is that his skills in an Apache are pretty good,he got there on his own merit, it's not an easy beast to handle and he is not one for throwing his weight around when with the troops.

Sure he likes a drink & a party, FFS he is young free & single & not short of a bob or two so why not.

Unlike his Uncle Andrew who seems universally disliked and is a pompous git. grin

So YANBU emerald if you have to have a crush on anyone you could do worse!

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 13:17:52

People can use stupid language without actually being racist, seeker. My grandmother had no idea about pc terms, used all the wrong words when describing people, but treated everyone of all ethnicities equally at a time when they was not common.

AmberLeaf Fri 10-May-13 13:19:48

I love a royal conspiracy, but I don't think there is any doubt about his parentage. He looks very much like charles. The eyes and nose/brow particularly.

The 'paki' comment isn't something I would do or anyone I associate with, but I know that vile banter is par for the course in the forces.

The nazi get up...as someone has said it was what he wore to a bad taste party forgivable IMO.

Is not being very academic a crime now? He has excelled in his chosen career and from what little I've read about is very highly thought of amongst his colleagues.

I like him.

After watching something he did on BBC3? I thought he came across well.

I am not one for fawning over royals but neither will I slag them off for being born into it and not having much choice!

seeker Fri 10-May-13 13:20:15

Presumably your grandmother is not an expensively educated 27 year old member of the Royal Family whose job involves dealing with people of different ethnicities as a member of the Armed Forces?

LtEveDallas Fri 10-May-13 13:20:19

Lt - why do you care if people don't like him

It's not particularly about him, although I know and rate him as an excellent soldier and leader of men, so am biased in that respect - I have a great deal of time for ALL good soldiers.

For me it's the fact that he is regularly hung drawn and quartered based on inaccurate, incomplete and biased news reports. People think they know him, his character, his attitude etc based on whatever story has hit the news that day.

I feel the same about anyone in the public eye TBH, that's why you'll never see me on threads slagging off minor (or otherwise) slebs - I don't see the need.

I'll defend Prince Harry as I have a little (just a little mind) of personal knowledge where he is concerned and I feel he doesn't get a fair hearing in most cases.

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 13:21:54

She's a person, seeker, just like Harry. He may be expensively educated but that doesn't make him wise or perfect.

seeker Fri 10-May-13 13:25:35

No. But what is excusable in an elderly person is not excusable in a 27 year old.

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 13:32:36

Racism is not acceptable from anyone, no matter how old or how young. But it is particularly unacceptable when coming from someone who is the newest adult generation of the royal family, who is educated enough to know better and who knows that his words and actions will be reported on and that people will draw conclusions from them.

LtEveDallas Fri 10-May-13 13:35:27

Racism is not acceptable from anyone

No it isn't. But then he is not racist.

who knows that his words and actions will be reported on Yes, on an illegally obtained and used recording device, by someone who wasn't actually in that Troop, or supposed to be anywhere near them whilst on that exercise.

Context is all.

ReindeerBollocks Fri 10-May-13 13:35:37

I like prince Harry but then again I do have a thing for red heads <shrugs>

The comment about his Asian friend was mutual banter and I believe his friend also had an atrocious nickname for Harry too. I don't think that is blatant racism. Although I am holding back opinion on the 'rag head' comment which is disgusting and racist, if true.

Despite all the speculation on his parentage, he is looking a hell of a lot like Charles now he's older, and I think he is going to look more similar to William as they both age.

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 13:37:37

'No it isn't. But then he is not racist.'

Oh, ok - people who make racist gestures and racist comments aren't actually racist, my mistake hmm

Hullygully Fri 10-May-13 13:38:31

I absolutely adore Harry.

He is so bright and sensitive and really cuts a dash in a swastika!

ShirazSavedMySanity Fri 10-May-13 13:43:44

A relative of mine has just returned from serving with him in Afghan. He had nothing but good things to say about him, Harry is very much one of the lads and is treated as such and acts as such.

I do hope he will be at one of our family parties in the future, y'know, so I can get to know him!

squoosh Fri 10-May-13 13:48:38

Maybe your eyes will meet over the vol au vents Shiraz, he'll offer you a sausage roll and a love story will begin.

Nelly000 Fri 10-May-13 13:51:37

LtEveDallas You may as well give up. It matters not a jot what the relationship was between his mates and what he was being called by his friends - or that it was mutual banter between mates being thrown about in a private conversation on an exercise somewhere.

It doesn't matter what the others in the group were saying because what they were saying was fine and it's Harry that's racist.

Despite the fact that no one on here has any idea whether the person was offended or not. Of course he was offended. He just couldn't say so for sake of offending an HRH. Never mind the fact that if that were true, most people learn to simply stay away from people that annoy them aged 5 in the playground and this chap had chosen not to do that.

Far too many people getting on their high horse and getting offended on behalf of others. Joke of it is, knowing what I know about the Forces mentality (which is a fair bit), the 'victim' would likely tell everyone on here to 'fuck off and get a grip'.

I say 'likely' because I don't know what happened. And neither does anyone else on here.

ShirazSavedMySanity Fri 10-May-13 13:52:07

squoosh do you think he would join in with 'oopps upside your head' and the locomotion?

squoosh Fri 10-May-13 13:53:40

I think he would definitely join in! Just be careful if he invites you to play sardines wink

SirChenjin Fri 10-May-13 13:55:50

It's people getting offended on behalf of others that move society forward - otherwise we'd still be laughing at Jim Davidson and his ilk as we did back in the seventies.

'Paki' is offensive, pure and simple. If you don't realise that then there's not much hope for you really.

DontmindifIdo Fri 10-May-13 13:58:10

Shiraz - I would put good money on him joining in with oops upside your head.

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 14:02:42

I don't get offended on behalf of anyone - why is it that only the person who the comment is directed at should be offended by it?? That attitude annoys me.

I simply don't have much time for people who use racist terminology, whether it's in private or public with friends or whoever else, whoever they are whether a royal or anyone else.

But then there are plenty of people willing to be apologists for the continued use of certain words which are no longer acceptable - there have been many threads about it.

LtEveDallas Fri 10-May-13 14:03:27

Apologies that this is from <<spits>> The Sun, but it's the only firewall I can get through grin

"The Pakistani soldier at the centre of the Prince Harry race row came to the Prince's defence today, claiming he is not racist.

Platoon member Ahmed Raza Khan reportedly told Harry to 'forget about it' when the Prince phoned to apologise.
Harry was caught on film three years ago referring to Khan as 'our little Paki friend'.
But Khan told The Sun today the Prince was his friend and that he had no hard feelings towards him in the wake of the incident.
He said: 'The Prince called me by a nickname which is usually very insulting but I know he didn't mean it that way,' the newspaper reported.
'We were close friends when we were training and I know he is not a racist"

So the chap that was insulted doesn't think that Prince Harry is racist, but other people who don't know him do? Oh, OK.

(I do find it interesting that Prince Harry chose not to defend himself in this case, at the very least by telling the press what his own nickname was, and just chose to apologise and let the world think the worst of him rather than his friend)

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 14:10:07

I think the friend's reaction is irrelevant really. If you use a racist word then thats says something about who you are.

It is not only blatent, hostile racism that makes someone a racist. If you cannot understand that certain terminology is wrong and keep on using it then you are perpetuating insidious racism which is as damaging and offensive as any other.

seeker Fri 10-May-13 14:15:46

The friend was very gracious.

The fact remains, the words were used. They were in his head, and he used them

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 14:15:50

Lottie I am very careful with my own language and would never use this or other offensive terms.

However, people make mistakes and are stupid. I am not Christian, but I am with Jesus as far as not throwing the first stone goes.

Stupid slipshod use of language can be a racist utterance and should be corrected, but doesn't make that person a racist or irredeemably bad.

I came across someone who (not knowing about my Jewish background) told me the holocaust was due to stupid things Jewish people in Germany had done. I stayed calm and corrected her - she seemed to take it on board. It did upset me, but I don't think she was racist - just very stupid and repeating something she heard someone else say.

seeker Fri 10-May-13 14:18:12

Look. I bet nobody on here would even think of using the word Paki. Why would you excuse anyone else who does?

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 14:18:57

I wouldn't excuse, I would correct and expect them to learn from the correction. I wouldn't assume they were racist and condemn them.

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 14:20:31

Depending on context, obviously - if someone actually racist had said that awful word or what was said to me I would obviously believe them to be racist and be appalled.

seeker Fri 10-May-13 14:20:48

So you think it's possible to be a 27 year old expensively educated man who will have had extensive media training and not know that Paki is a racist term? Really?

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 14:27:08

WouldBe, I agree that racism can and often does come from ignorance and yes should be dealt with by being corrected.

However, from a person in Harry's position it's unacceptable and I don't see why anyone should make excuses for him. I don't agree with the royal family anyway, but since they are here than I expect them to behave according to the standards that we all agree are acceptable. And that includes not making a joke of Nazism or calling anyone a 'paki'.

Racism is not 'banter'. He's the heir to the throne - he should know better. I cannot believe he is uneducated in this respect.

landofsoapandglory Fri 10-May-13 14:29:49

I quite like Prince Harry, TBH. I prefer him to William.

I do not understand how anyone can defend him for using the word 'Paki, and I would like to hope that he was disciplined by the Army for using it. I know, from DH who is RAF, that people in the RAF have been disciplined heavily, and quote rightly, for making racist comments on Fb, Twitter and in conversation.

I do not think that of Harry had been anyone else's son that he would have got into Officer training on the grades he has. I have sat twice with Ds1, once last week, and he has been on an Officer insight day, where we were told he needs 270 UCAS points to be accepted as an Officer. Even if he joins as a regular soldier and wants to transfer over, he still needs those 270 UCAS points. I don't doubt Harry is a brilliant helicopter pilot and I don't want to take it away from him, but realistically I doubt he would have got to Sandhurst in the first place if it weren't for who he is!

Nelly000 Fri 10-May-13 14:32:21

Lets be clear on what I'm saying around 'offence on behalf of others'

I believe where people are discriminated against for any reason, including skin colour, everyone should rise up and act against it.

What I don't believe in is predicting offence... Like not celebrating Christmas for fear of offending a particular religion even though those religions aren't offended and no complaint has been made.

I don't believe Harry is racist, but that's a personal view.

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 14:33:28

I think he's an idiot, yes!

SmellsLikeWeenSpirits Fri 10-May-13 14:37:43

I had assumed he's a spoilt, brattish, arrogant rich kid with an added dose of massive issues

everlong Fri 10-May-13 14:39:11

Oh we haven't had a William and Harry bash for ages
[ hmm]

seeker Fri 10-May-13 14:40:09

It doesn't matter if nobody present is offended if you call someone a Paki. The term is intrinsically racist. Even if the person being called is gracious enough to accept his apology and move on.

seeker Fri 10-May-13 14:40:59

"What I don't believe in is predicting offence... Like not celebrating Christmas for fear of offending a particular religion even though those religions aren't offended and no complaint has been made."

You do know this has never actually happened, don't you?

sue52 Fri 10-May-13 14:41:03

I've just checked his A level resulst. A D in Geography and a B in Art. I'm not sure how he got the additional UCAS points needed for the army.

Nelly000 Fri 10-May-13 14:41:38

Is Chris Rock racist seeker?

financialwizard Fri 10-May-13 14:45:41

Have you lot got nothing better to do with your time than sit and bitch all day about someone you are never likely to meet in a million years who probably wouldn't give a toss about your opinion anyway?

Honestly there are far more terrible things going on in the world than Harry wearing an SS Uniform to a bad taste party (which was years ago) and what you all deem inappropriate use of a word as a nickname for a 'stan comrade. I am going to hazard an assumption that none of you who are slating Prince Harry have any idea what the soldiers call each other when in these situations, and that you have no idea of what kind of comradery they have.

Nelly000 Fri 10-May-13 14:46:53

seeker yes I do... But it doesn't stop people predicting it and reporting it.

That's my point.

sue52 Fri 10-May-13 14:53:28

financialwizard If he is held up as a role model to young people and sent abroad as shining example of what is best in Britain, then yes I can spare a few minutes of my day for a "bitch".

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 14:54:19

When has Christmas ever not been celebrated for fear of 'offending'? And what has this got to do with the heir to the throne regularly committing a social faux pas?

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 14:56:29

the royal family qualifications None of them are intellectual heavy weights - William seems to have done the best.

landofsoapandglory Fri 10-May-13 14:58:48

financialwizard DH has been in the Forces for almost 27 years. He has never called any of his colleagues anything like that! He has, however, seen men and women bollocked severely for using such language.

LtEveDallas Fri 10-May-13 15:02:10

I've just checked his A level resulst. A D in Geography and a B in Art. I'm not sure how he got the additional UCAS points needed for the army

I don't know what Land has been told, nor the current situation, but as I have said before Prince Harry passed Pre-RCB and RCB and that allowed him to commission. I also know officers who have commissioned with only GCSEs, and bad ones at that.

Conversely, the absolute worst officer I have ever had the misfortune to meet had an honours degree in ancient French or something like that. He was a bloody awful soldier, despised by his men and regularly embarrassed by them, but got in by virtue of his degree. Thankfully he left at the end of his SSC.

Prince Harry is an excellent Recce Solider and Troop Leader and latterly an excellent pilot. The Army was exactly the right call for him and I can see him having a very long career.

squoosh Fri 10-May-13 15:03:22

'Like not celebrating Christmas for fear of offending a particular religion'

Ummmm, I'm pretty sure you'll find the only time this happened in Britain was when Oliver Cromwell banned it in the 17th century. As a Protesant Christmas offended him. Is that the religion you meant?

Apologies if you were around at the time and remember those bleak December days well.

KitchenandJumble Fri 10-May-13 15:06:17

Wow, I hadn't heard about Harry's use of racist language. That makes me think even less of him than before.

Is Harry racist? I have absolutely no idea. Despite confident assertions on this thread that he is not a racist, no one else here has any idea either. However, he used racist language. It doesn't matter a whit that the person he addressed was not offended (or as seeker put it very well, that he was gracious enough to accept Harry's apology). I am offended. The language Harry used was deeply offensive. It can't be explained away. The fact that an extremely privileged man in his 20s, with every advantage possible including the best education money can buy, would use such language is appalling.

And as for the people defending Harry's Nazi costume because he was attending a "bad taste" party? Give me a break. Bad taste is wearing white socks with dark trousers. A Nazi uniform goes rather further than that. Anyone who can dismiss such a costume as a hilarious jape in the spirit of the occasion is either woefully ignorant or an idiot.

thegreylady Fri 10-May-13 15:11:53

When you are my age anyone under 40 is a lad grin.Dh and I refer to our sons as 'the boys' they are aged 40,42 and 43-to me HRH is 'nowt but a bit of a bairn' sorry smile

amothersplaceisinthewrong Fri 10-May-13 15:16:18

I've just checked his A level resulst. A D in Geography and a B in Art.

And d on't forget his art teacher helped him out with this Art A Level.

LtEveDallas Fri 10-May-13 15:27:27

Was wondering if anyone would query the Bad Taste Party smile. Nope, nothing as simple or inoffensive as that I'm afraid. Let me see, the last one I went to (a long time ago) was shortly after the WTC bombing. My friend wore ripped clothes, dumped a bag of flour all over himself and wore a sign around his neck "WTC window cleaner, gissa job". I've been to a few where it was just really bad clothes, ie the worst thing you could find in the charity shop, but also one held in Wales where I went as a sheep wearing a chastity belt and one where I dressed as a used tampon.

Bad taste means BAD taste.

(I've also been to a 'come as you are caught' party wearing nothing but a towel and a single flip flop, with a number of naked people and a 'come as you aren't' party where a friend (who liked to shag) dressed as Mary Whitehouse and her black boyfriend painted himself white with dap cleaner. Army parties tend to be rather over the top when you are young and drunk)

thegreylady Fri 10-May-13 15:28:00

Do you need A levels/UCAS score to get into the army?

LtEveDallas Fri 10-May-13 15:41:32

No you don't greylady, I'm living proof of that one smile

EldritchCleavage Fri 10-May-13 15:44:27

How old was he when he did the party thing though? I don't think we should hang people out to dry for the odd teenage misjudgment, really, if that's the age he was.

Bluegrass Fri 10-May-13 15:58:42

I could never get too worked up about the costume, comedy nazi's have been a tv staple since the war because the intention was to mock them. If Harry intended to do the same (over the top silly German accent etc) then I couldn't really give a damn, although he should've realised that it would be used against him.

Someone said above that the term "Paki" was intrinsically racist. I don't agree. It is associated with racism in the UK as it has a history of being used pejoratively. In some other countries it is seen as an acceptable abbreviation. I think the point came up a few years back when George Bush used it. Of course Harry knows the UK history of the term but still, an abbreviated version of a country's name is not intrinsically racist, it depends on context and intent.

KitchenandJumble Fri 10-May-13 16:13:02

I don't care how young and/or drunk Harry was when he wore a Nazi costume. It was wrong. There's nothing witty or clever or epater le bourgeois about it. Anyone who thinks this is appropriate attire for a party has the sensitivity and historical awareness of a newt.

Is it the worst thing anyone has ever done? No, of course not. But seeing people defending that costume really makes my hackles rise.

As for the word "Paki" not being offensive in other places? Well, I doubt that, but it hardly matters in this case. Harry is English. He has lived his entire life in England. He knows what that word means to people in the UK.

landofsoapandglory Fri 10-May-13 16:20:16

You do to get in as an officer, thegreylady.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

QueenStromba Fri 10-May-13 18:17:59

Harry was 19 when he went to that party. I did way more stupid things than that when I was 19. He's just enjoyed being young and having the freedom that his brother couldn't have.

As for the racist words, a lot of young people rebel against PCness because we feel like it has gone too far. A few years ago I was going to meet a student I hadn't met before to help him with his project. I asked my supervisor what he looked like and was told he had frizzy hair. When I actually found him he turned out to be mixed race with an afro. If I'd been told that it would have been much easier to pick him out of the crowd. Since when is it not ok to mention someone's race when you're describing someone if it's their most identifying characteristic? (My university is probably less than 0.5% people with any African or Caribbean heritage).

It's the intention behind words that make them horrible. I grew up in Ireland and everyone used the word chinkie as a slang word for Chinese food. I had no idea it was a racist word until I used it in front of a South East Asian friend and she was offended. I also had no idea that the term Oriental was offensive - I always just used it to differentiate between people who look similar to Chinese people and people who look similar to Indian people. When I used the word chinkie I was never being racist with it.

Likewise, I've heard new words and knew they were horribly racist by the way they were said. I did a temp job once and a few of the other temps were South African. I went out for a cigarette with them one day and one of them used the word "coon". I'd never heard it before but the way she said it told me that it was a horrible word.

In my friendship group white, British born people are in the minority. I answer the phone to one of my black friends with "word up my nigger" and my old housemates and I asked him to move in with us so he could be the token black guy who would die first in the zombie apocalypse (he was all up for that but my other housemate moved back to Hong Kong and I moved in with my DP). I'm Irish so get all of the stupid/alcoholic jokes. My Chinese housemate got jokes about how he must have a small penis etc (he probably joked about it more than everyone else did).

seeker Fri 10-May-13 21:11:56

"In my friendship group white, British born people are in the minority. I answer the phone to one of my black friends with "word up my nigger" Yeah, yeah, sure you do, and I bet he thinks it's utterly hilarious, doesn't he?

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 21:21:37

QueenStromba - you sound like people in the BNP who try to justify their use of the word 'nigger'

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 21:26:08

Never thought of 'chinky' as a racist word? hmm FFS

jamdonut Fri 10-May-13 21:47:13

(I think I'm going to get blown out of the water for this,but here goes...)

In Afganistan they are Afhgan .

( Old fashioned - Hindustan- you get Hindu/Hindi )

Tajik in Tajikistan
Uzbek in Uzbekistan
Kyrgyz in Kyrgystan

Why not Paki in Pakistan? I know idiots here use it in a derogatory way,but is it not actually the correct term?

(I'm going to wait for people to tell me I'm horribly wrong blush. Quite scared, actually. )

lottieandmia Fri 10-May-13 21:58:09

No, it's not the correct term.

LessMissAbs Fri 10-May-13 21:58:50

Hes ok, but not quite there, if you get what I mean. There are a lot of nice young posh men about, but you do get ones who are better looking than he, and perhaps a little bit cleverer and talented in the sports field.

KitchenandJumble Fri 10-May-13 22:22:56

Oh, for crying out loud. The post above about how young people "rebel" by using racist language just makes me despair. I certainly hope it isn't representative of the youth of today.

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 10-May-13 22:25:10

Jam, the reason it is not is that it was used nastily, so became perceived as racist.

'Black' is viewed as unacceptable in the US - I always use African American there. But here it is fine. It is the connotations of words.

KitchenandJumble Fri 10-May-13 22:35:19

Actually, "black" is perfectly fine terminology in the US.

gettingeasiernow Fri 10-May-13 22:36:19

He's gorgy porgy at the mo, fit and lovable, but won't age well. Windsor faces grow horsier over time, the hair loss won't help. But the name calling is just what posh kids do to each other, it's not done maliciously or behind people's backs and I doubt the recipient was offended. He made mistakes when he was young, but he was the little boy following the coffin, so I let it all go.

chattychattyboomba Fri 10-May-13 22:38:42

Back of he's mine! hope dh doesn't mind
He's gorgeous and ginger like me and also my age. wink

DisappointedHorse Fri 10-May-13 22:41:49

Prince Harry aside who I actually quite like, I can see the reason for chinky. Where I grew up, again, it was slang for a Chinese takeaway. It wasn't until I went to uni that I realised it was most definitely not acceptable and have not used it since. I was mortified.

There is a corner shop near my parents called The Paki Shop. Run by very tongue in cheek Indians. I have never worked out if they mean it offensively or not.

I didn't know that about black not being acceptable in the US.

AmberLeaf Fri 10-May-13 22:46:12

a lot of young people rebel against PCness because we feel like it has gone too far

IME people that 'rebel' against 'pc' do so because they hate not being able to be openly racist.

AmberLeaf Fri 10-May-13 22:47:06

Black is acceptable in the US

D0GWithAYoni Fri 10-May-13 22:49:22

Not only are you bu. you are irretrievably broken. Sorry. Yuck boak etc

Mimishimi Fri 10-May-13 23:09:38

He looks like a very ordinary young Englishman to me. I don't see Charles in him at all, he does resemble James Hewitt but I didn't know that JH inly met Diana after Harry had been born. He may have got those looks from his grandfather.

seeker Fri 10-May-13 23:20:42

"Why not Paki in Pakistan? I know idiots here use it in a derogatory way,but is it not actually the correct term?"

The correct term is Pakistani.

ComposHat Sat 11-May-13 02:51:04

Why not Paki in Pakistan? I know idiots here use it in a derogatory way,but is it not actually the correct term?

I am tired...very tired but here goes.

No 'Paki' is not the correct term.It is Pakistani as seeker points.

No word is intrinsically racist or offensive, it is the cultural and historical meanings that get attached to it that cause offence. The actual word itself is irrelevant, but the significance attached to it.

If the word 'stani' was used instead to taunt, marginalise and goad people from sub continental Asia, if the BNP talked about going 'Stani bashing' or daubed 'Stanis go home' or 'No stanis here' then 'Stani' rather than 'Paki' would have become a taboo word.

I can't see how you can seperate the use of the word 'Paki' from the enormous baggage it has acquired.

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Sat 11-May-13 04:37:49

DNA tests may not have been around in the 80s when Harry was born, but they sure as hell are now.

There is way, way too much money to be made by the likes of the Tabloids from Harry having non-Royal parentage. Honestly, if there was anything in it, they'd have proved it by now and made a zillion £££.

The fact that absolutely nothing has come out suggests it's maybe time to lay that particular chestnut to bed.

financialwizard Sat 11-May-13 06:27:49

Land my husband has been in 20 years, my father did 25. I can assure you the boys banter is definitely like Prince Harry's. Maybe your husbands arm are a bit more civilised.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

EnlightenedOwl Sat 11-May-13 10:58:30

I was reading the list of qualifications obtained by the Royal Family. I don't think its accurate
Zara Phillips is a qualified physiotherapist specialising in Equine Physiotherapy. She went to University at Exeter.
Prince Harry qualified as an Apache pilot. The Apache is one of the hardest helicopters to qualify to fly.
I have a lot of respect for Prince Harry - especially his work with the Lesovo orphans and the work he is doing for injured servicemen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-99YmpVrAI

I loved this story from the Royal Wedding

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383268/Royal-Wedding-wiggly-worm-Picture-Eliza-Lopes-Prince-Harrys-gift.html

SconeRhymesWithGone Sat 11-May-13 14:20:44

I have seen on other threads too the assertion that black is unacceptable in the US. I am American. I live in the South, where these issues have heightened significance. Black is fine, as is African American. Actually some black people prefer black; but either is fine.

jamdonut Sat 11-May-13 14:41:50

LunaticFringe Well done for finding that out. I guess that makes sense then,that there is no "Paki" race whereas the others all are. You live and learn.

WouldBeHarrietVane Sat 11-May-13 14:44:54

Interesting, Scone. I studied race relations in the US and I had a different impression.

SconeRhymesWithGone Sat 11-May-13 15:18:17

WouldBeHarrietVane (love your NN by the way; one of my favorite fictional characters)

This quotation from wikipedia (which admittedly always needs to be done with caution) I think is pretty accurate:

Surveys show that the majority of Black Americans have no preference for "African American" versus "Black," although they have a slight preference for "Black" in personal settings and "African American" in more formal settings.

I actually do use African American most of the time, but using Black is not in and of itself offensive.

complexnumber Sat 11-May-13 15:22:39

When I worked in Botswana, I would often call friends 'kaffir' in ironic jest, I would never have uttered to anyone who did not know me.

In turn, my friends would normally refer to me as 'lekgoa' meaning 'vomit from the sea'.

Context is all. Saying a word does not make you a racist.

SconeRhymesWithGone Sat 11-May-13 15:51:46

I should also add that black is really used as an adjective only; African American can be either an adjective or a noun.

QueenStromba Sat 11-May-13 16:06:54

Exactly complexnumber. When I say "word up my nigger" it's in an ironic way taking the piss out of the gangsta rappers because I'm a pasty, freckly girl and my mate isn't even remotely gangsta. I'd never dream of saying it to anyone who didn't know me well.

The 70s were horribly racist but I think everyone has overcompensated. We need to get back to a point where people are comfortable describing the only mixed race student with an afro out of nearly 500 as that rather than feeling they have to say something like "frizzy hair" which could be loads of people and actually made me dismiss the guy with the afro because surely if the student I was looking for had an afro that would be the first thing used to describe him? Luckily the student knew who I was because I never would have found him.

Groups reclaim words all the time. Gay people have reclaimed "queer", certain segments of black youth culture in the US have reclaimed "nigger" etc. Not all words have the same emphasis in other countries either - Chinky is a perfectly acceptable term for a Chinese takeaway in Ireland and Paki is a perfectly acceptable shortening of Pakistani in Australia. It's not the words but the intention behind them that make them unacceptable.

seeker Sat 11-May-13 16:14:57

"Paki is a perfectly acceptable shortening of Pakistani in Australia"

To white racist Australians, possibly!

SconeRhymesWithGone Sat 11-May-13 16:28:49

The "reclamation" thing in the US is vastly overstated. That word is so deeply offensive that many people won't even say it or write it out, even in quotation.

AmberLeaf Sat 11-May-13 16:31:25

Yes the reclamation of the N word is widely argued against.

Scone, need to say that I love your name and whenever I see it I say 'yes it bloody does!'

lottieandmia Sat 11-May-13 17:05:34

The mind boggles that someone on this thread is trying to justify use of the words 'nigger' 'queer' 'paki' and 'chinky'.

Whenever there is a thread about racism people do this - perhaps to justify their own behaviour because they don't want to stop using racist terms.

lottieandmia Sat 11-May-13 17:06:46

'It's not the words but the intention behind them that make them unacceptable.'

Utter nonsense.

seeker Sat 11-May-13 17:08:06

And I don't believe all these people with hordes of black friends who think it's hilarious when they call them Sambo, just as a little joke,you know. They either don't exist, or the black person is being very gracious, like Prince Harry's friend, and is burning them in effigy behind their back.

They are the sort of person who say "I can't keep up, the words you can use change all the time". And similar crap.

squoosh Sat 11-May-13 17:14:30

'Chinky is a perfectly acceptable term for a Chinese takeaway in Ireland'

No it most definitely isn't. I do not know a single Irish person who would use this term. Please don't tar us all.

seeker Sat 11-May-13 17:16:55

Advice to visitors-

"If you go into an Irish pub in London, it is polite to say "top o' the mornin' to you Paddy" to the landlord"

IrritatingInfinity Sat 11-May-13 17:33:20

I am as anti Royal as you can get but I don't have a particular dislike of Prince Harry. For someone bought up with unimaginable wealth and privilidges it's something that he works and does charity work at all. Their are other dictator type Royal families in the world that do neither.

He comes across as a bit of a idiot though. The nude Vegas thing was a bit confused.

Forces blokes often have lovely fit bodies but Harry does NOTHING for me.

It's time to abolish the royal family.

IrritatingInfinity Sat 11-May-13 17:35:04

Could I have made any more typo's? sad blush

It is not my IPads fault. hmm

seeker Sat 11-May-13 17:35:56

"Welsh people enjoy the poem "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief......"

ajandjjmum Sat 11-May-13 17:53:02

Funnily enough, was talking recently to someone who has worked with Harry, and said how well he fits into the Army. And also how skilled you need to be to fly an Apache - so maybe he isn't highly intelligent academically, but he is where it counts in his career.

Can't believe some of the comments above! shock Someone on the first page saying it's widely accepted he's James Hewitt's son. Bullshit.

Must be great to be one of those people who's never made a bad judgement call, perhaps too busy sitting on a computer being personally vile about someone who's making the most of the life they've been landed with.

But I have to say OP, YABU!!!

jamdonut Sat 11-May-13 18:03:32

I've never heard that "welsh poem" before.How does it end?

seeker Sat 11-May-13 18:28:57

"It is traditional to wear a ginger wig at all times in Scotland, and any true Scot would be deeply offended if you did not draw attention to his thrifty nature"

LtEveDallas Sat 11-May-13 19:07:59

Jamdonut, my Welsh MIL taught me that one, although I think there are other versions:

Taffy was a Welshman
Taffy was a thief
Taffy came to my house
And stole a piece of beef.

I went to Taffy's house
Taffy was not home
Taffy came to my house
And stole a marrow bone.

I went to Taffy's house
Taffy was not in
Taffy came to my house
And stole a silver pin.

I went to Taffy's house
Taffy was in bed
I took up a poker
And threw it at his head

BegoniaBampot Sat 11-May-13 19:15:54

I'm not a royalist but think for a child who has been brought up to deal with some of the traumatic, dysfunctional things that he has - he seems to be quite well balanced and productive. my kids upbringing has been a picnic compared to his.

regarding words - I grew up using terms like paki shop, tally van and chinki without ever realising or meaning it to be racist. I don't use them now that i realise that they can cause offence.

Iamsparklyknickers Sat 11-May-13 20:44:34

"Harry's a dim little Kraut"

Interesting way to cement credibility when decrying racist comments hmm

rambososcar Sat 11-May-13 23:43:04

""Harry's a dim little Kraut"
Interesting way to cement credibility when decrying racist comments"

At last! You didn't "get" it, but at least it's been picked up on! grin

Of course it's an unacceptable way to speak - even of someone of "Kraut" ancestry by someone of "Kraut" ancestry - but I was wondering how a racist dig at the Prince no less would be perceived by LtEve, who seemed intent upon defending him.

Unfortunately she ignored the comment, so I didn't get the amusement value I was aiming for. grin

rambososcar Sat 11-May-13 23:44:01

PS - it is perfectly reasonable for me to continue to call him dim though!

ajandjjmum Sat 11-May-13 23:53:36

Can you fly an Apache rambo?

rambososcar Sun 12-May-13 00:00:56

No, I can't fly an Apache, ajandjjmum. I've never had the desire to learn, not being fond of the concept of going to foreign countries and blasting the shit out of other human beings. hmm

I have got a good degree and not just a couple of A levels in art and geography though.

seeker Sun 12-May-13 01:01:37

So we're only allowed a view if we can fly an Apache? Interesting standpoint!

Eliza600 Sun 12-May-13 03:16:56

So Harry calls turban wearers 'ragheads' and mentions 'Pakis'...so what? Like it or lump it, the majority of the white British indigenous population use those words and presumably have similar opinions to Harry's.

It's certainly commonplace terminology among my family, friends and colleagues, of whom most are university educated and intelligent.

Harry seems a bit dim but I quite like him.

squoosh Sun 12-May-13 03:38:45

'It's certainly commonplace terminology among my family, friends and colleagues, of whom most are university educated and intelligent.'

Maybe they aren't as intelligent as you claim and clearly they need more education.

seeker Sun 12-May-13 07:48:55

Yep- sadly there are plenty of university educated, intelligent racists!

ajandjjmum Sun 12-May-13 08:33:53

Don't be ridiculous Seeker - where does it say that? My point is that rambo called him 'dim', when the fact is that anyone who can fly an Apache is clearly not dim.

I can't believe the personal nastiness here about someone none of us know, but by virtue of the fact that every time he speaks or goes out, his every utterance is recorded to be commented on for years in the future. He's done bloody well to only have a handful of non PC errors for everyone to keep regurgitating. Poor chap.

seeker Sun 12-May-13 08:58:35

You have to have a particular sort of brain to fly an Apache- just as you have to have a particular sort of brain to be an international footballer.

But you also have to have a particular sort of brain to emerge from one of the best schools in the world with two indifferent A levels!

ajandjjmum Sun 12-May-13 09:21:15

Absolutely - but who are we to judge which sort of brain is better? There's a place for everyone in this world, and none of us are better than anyone else, and by my reckoning, shouldn't be judged dependent upon how many A levels they have achieved.

He's done more (through being in a position to do so) to help others than most of us will ever do. Good for him for caring.

But he's got red hair, crap A levels, 'foot in mouth' syndrome occasionally, and on that reckoning (according to many on this thread) he's a bad lot. I disagree.

LtEveDallas Sun 12-May-13 10:17:38

He's currently doing a fantastic job in promoting the Warrior Games. I hope he does persuade the powers that be to bring them to UK Warrior Games

ComposHat Sun 12-May-13 10:58:25

So Harry calls turban wearers 'ragheads' and mentions 'Pakis'...so what? Like it or lump it, the majority of the white British indigenous population use those words and presumably have similar opinions to Harry's

Really? Maybe in your world, certainly not in mine, but then I don't hang out with racists.

LtEveDallas Sun 12-May-13 13:11:36

The 'raghead' comment whilst unpleasant was in reference to Taleban Insurgents / Terrorists, not 'turban wearers' and IIRC came about when his friend put on a camouflage veil, not a turban?

The 'Paki' comment was unacceptable, but was more a horrible nickname given to a friend than a racist slur (in context, my Welsh, mixed race DH was called 'Mehmet' throughout his Army career, another friend was known by all, including his superiors, as 'Fub' because he was a fucking ugly bastard.) 'Our Little Paki friend' was wrong, and he was an idiot to use the term (even if everyone else, including the recipient, was). But he made a full and unreserved apology that was accepted by the wronged party. He was also subject to military discipline, as any other soldier would be if they been such a dick.

The Nazi uniform was at a bad taste party, again foolish, but no worse than any other outfit being worn.

As for Vegas? Well, meh. What goes on in a single mans hotel room is nothing to do with me grin I went on an 18 to 30s holiday after my first operational tour - my mother would be horrified

His mistakes took place in 2005 and 2006. He has since proved himself time and again. He has undertaken 2 major tours of Afghan, taken part in a number of gruelling charity events, raised thousands of pounds and given these charities and events priceless attention and promotion.

It is 2013, 8 years have passed. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and judge him on his current standing and actions.

ajandjjmum Sun 12-May-13 13:21:20

What you fail to understand LtEve, is that many people on MN have never made a mistake in their lives! grin

Lizzabadger Sun 12-May-13 13:31:17
ComposHat Sun 12-May-13 13:50:11

Yes I had heard avout Lord Porchester and Liz. There is a superficial resemblance between him and randy Andy. if she did who can blame her, Phil has had mistresses a plenty

MerkinMaker Sun 12-May-13 14:12:46

I think it's a shame that people point to his A level results. Some people are just not suited to further eduction and are more technically minded there is nothing wrong with that.

If he was just an 'average joe', would people be as condescending regarding his 'lack of intelligence'?

seeker Sun 12-May-13 14:13:56

I have made loads of mistakes. I have never, however, accidentally called someone a apart or a rag head! It's not the sort of thing you do by accident!

TSSDNCOP Sun 12-May-13 14:22:29

The thing is, if you know what you want to do is join up and fly Apaches what's the point of taking exams in subjects you don't enjoy? I wouldn't take a maths A level if I didn't bloody have to!

3 stupid indiscretions aside by the age of 28 with the worlds press ready to dissect every move you make doesn't make me want to lynch him. Some are ready to condemn forever on those reports, without bothering to consider the press slant placed on them or the lessons Prince Harry learned as a consequence. Certainly his contempt of the media is evident.

To answer the OP question though. Yes I would, especially in his dusty t-shirt/fatigues outfit at Camp Bastion grin

LtEveDallas Sun 12-May-13 14:33:22

Who said it was an accident seeker? I can't see it?

Prior to MN, so 8 years ago now, I am ashamed to say that I thought mothers that didn't breastfeed were selfish, that people went 'on benefits' as a lifestyle choice, that the kid kicking off in the supermarket was just badly behaved and that 'chav' was an acceptable word (although in my world it still is, albeit as a name for a child, like toddler).

Thankfully I have been educated and I will not make those mistakes again. Coming on here has opened my eyes and made me a much better person.

Growing up (in the 80s) my favourite clothes shop was 'The Paki shop on Bristol Road'. It's what everyone called it and I didn't know any better. I would have been horrified as a teen if anyone had called me racist, as I really didn't see it. Oh and my local Chinese takeaway was actually called 'The Chinky' (it changed its name to The Rainbow some time in the 90s), again, I didn't know this was wrong and I am happy to hold my hand up and admit it. I cringe when I think about it now, and I'd be mortified if my DD said anything like that. I'm certainly not racist, and didn't use those terms as a racist slur against anyone, but now I know I shouldn't have used them at all.

But we all live and learn. I have, and considering that there haven't been any reports in this vein about Prince Harry for 8 years, I assume so has he.

If he does it again, if he said it again, then I would change my view. But right now I cannot see why people are still hung up on it. Why they feel the need to use it as a stick to beat him with, when its generally because they are anti-royal in the main.

seeker Sun 12-May-13 14:42:23

Somebody's just told me that he said to Stephen J Amos "You don't sound like a black chap" and referred to another black colleague as Sooty.

Starting to sound a bit like a pattern..........

TSSDNCOP Sun 12-May-13 14:44:37

Ah "Somebody" that well documented evidence provider.

My DM refers to the Daily Mail as "They say..."

LtEveDallas Sun 12-May-13 14:49:16

'Someone' is lying to you for effect seeker. The 'Sooty' story broke at the same time as the 'Paki' story (2009) and was about Prince Charles. 'Sooty' is an old family friend, who has known the Princes since childhood and is called 'Sooty' by all his friends. For some reason, goodness knows why, the papers decided that there was a link there? How silly.

LtEveDallas Sun 12-May-13 14:51:01

Here is one of the reports for you seeker Telegraph

seeker Sun 12-May-13 14:58:14

Would you like me to name the "they"?

"You don't sound like a black chap"?????

TSSDNCOP Sun 12-May-13 15:03:27

Please tell me you have "Somebody" strapped to a stack of Holy Bibles and a polygraph Seeker grin

Is it Prince William? Is it Mr Amos? I give up!

LtEveDallas Sun 12-May-13 15:06:06

Firstly it's Stephen K Amos, secondly that story was also in 2008 and came up on the Wright Stuff of all places. Matthew Wright is hardly a paragon of virtue...

But Mr Amos says himself: Telegraph

And here's an amusing anecdote from the man himself:

Amos has previously spoken of how Prince Philip jokingly told him he could have Lenny Henry killed to help his career. He met the Duke Of Edinburgh after a Royal Variety performance in which he had quipped that the BBC could only employ one black comedian at a time, so he would have to wait for Henry to die for his big chance.

The Prince said: ‘So you’re the chap who wants Lenny Henry to die? That can be arranged…’

ajandjjmum Sun 12-May-13 15:15:44

But a little bit of context ruins a good story! grin

seeker Sun 12-May-13 16:26:14

Nope- the somebody obviously read the same papers.

I just find it bizarre that an educated, modern young man would say any of those things. Particularly an educated, modern young man who had extensive media training!

seeker Sun 12-May-13 16:28:09

And I do wonder, just a bit, if you were somebody employed but the royal Family and they decided that your nickname was "Sooty" whether you would feel able to ask them not to?

And why on earth did they think Sooty was an appropriate nick name anyway?

TSSDNCOP Sun 12-May-13 17:29:46

Perhaps it wasn't the RF that came up with the nickname in the first place. Perhaps it's a derivation of the persons name. Perhaps it's a nickname he uses himself. Who knows? But it makes better copy to insinuate racist undertones, so perhaps that's why the papers printed it.

LtEveDallas Sun 12-May-13 17:51:11

It seems it was a nickname given to him by his Polo Club, not the Royal Family Telegraph

seeker Sun 12-May-13 17:52:56

Well, that's all right then!

thezebrawearspurple Sun 12-May-13 18:14:57

He's very good looking, has a good body, looks full of personality, fun and seems down to earth despite his upbringing. I admit to a bit of a crush on him too, he's very attractive.

I wouldn't judge him on the basis of distortions of truth, exaggeration and probable lies coming from the tabloids. I know someone very famous and have seen the huge gulf between public persona (and media lies) and the reality. The most innocent of interactions/situations can be taken out of context and exaggerated and distorted to make anyone look like a horrible person.

Considering the microscope he was raised under, he seems to have turned out very well.

giveitago Sun 12-May-13 19:52:06

my view is that that he's used a horribly offensive term. He's not surrounded by normal society but by toffs.

I'd hope that with all the bad publcity in the newspapers he's finally understood that the words he used is offensive to citizens of this country.

He's part of a family that has very little access to the subjects they rule over.

WannaBeANinja Mon 13-May-13 10:15:30

I'd stills go for a pint and a natter with him smile

EldritchCleavage Mon 13-May-13 10:43:03

The 70s were horribly racist but I think everyone has overcompensated

I can't believe I've just read this. Honestly. Racism is, sadly, not something people used to do but have now universally stopped doing.

As for Prince Harry, I think he deserves to be criticised for some actions, but we all have to be wary of extrapolating from those actions to asserting any kind of certain knowledge about what kind of person he actually is.

Pro or anti (my own view is he is probably a bit of a smug, not v bright but fundamentally fairly nice upper class bloke, and I'd find him quite shaggable if I were a 20-something), we just don't know him.

allaflutter Mon 13-May-13 12:13:35

Harry is a tall strappy lad physically, and is of course so well-spoken - not surprised at all at women crushing on him, especially the US ladies who like chunky dynamic men! I wouldn't say he's very good -looking facially (too red for my taste, for one) but he is fun, brave, and has a sexy body.

BUT I;d go for Charles myself shock, the sensitive soul who's quite passionate underneath, and I just LOVE his voice.

ComposHat Mon 13-May-13 15:09:59

Having spent three years at University with posh twats, I'd imagine on his own he'd be okay, but get him with a group of mates he'd be unbearable.

ajandjjmum Mon 13-May-13 16:04:16

And the people from uni might think the same about you Compo.

We're all different.

seeker Mon 13-May-13 16:40:22

The bottom line is that for some, a member of the royal family can do no wrong. 'twas ever thus- the English dearly love a toff..

DontmindifIdo Mon 13-May-13 16:47:50

allaflutter - you'd do Charles, really??? Really??? Can we all just ignore the racist/posh boy issue and focus on this for a second, there's someone other than Camilla who'd do Charles. <shudder>

(I do have a soft spot for a ginger, DH is one too - not got Harry's £10m in the bank though...)

ajandjjmum Mon 13-May-13 17:35:59

Quite seeker, and for some a member of the Royal Family can do no right.

Personally I have the intelligence to realise that no-one is all good or all bad.

seeker Mon 13-May-13 17:48:09

Me too. I also have the intelligence not to excuse casual racism in a highly educated, media trained young man because "everyone makes mistakes"

LtEveDallas Mon 13-May-13 18:19:26

And I'm glad that I have the intelligence not to constantly harp on about something that happened in 2005 and was apologised for, simply because I haven't got anything else to whine about smile

Live and let live eh?

allaflutter Mon 13-May-13 18:19:58

Dontmind, oh yes grin! seriously, I can't see what's so off-putting about him unless he is simply not your type (and unless it's purely him being a Royal, which I admit is annoying grin, and indeed I'm not a fan of any Royals apart from the Queen.

Ideally I'd prefer him to be 10yrs younger as I'm in my 40s, but nobody's perfect grin. And whatever anyone thinks of his looks, his voice is very attarctive <swoon>.

allaflutter Mon 13-May-13 18:23:47

Harry is indeed twattish as most of his brattish ilk, apart from William wink, seen enough of twattish behaviour in chelsea etc biscuit, but he's improved A LOT with age & with his army experience .

DontmindifIdo Mon 13-May-13 18:26:29

Allaflutter - no, he's not attractive at all - and far too old (you are in your 40s woman, your totty of choice would surely be a lot younger than Charlie boy).

And I agree, Harry has grown into his looks, where as his big brother has gone hte other way... (lower the tone)

allaflutter Mon 13-May-13 18:42:00

Dontmind yes, William has gone down in looks but he's not twattish like Harry, he may be a bit dull, I don't know.
See, I think Charles IS attarctive, I find him very charming when he talks, not just the voice but his manner and thinking, I like sensitivity/artistic streak - I was never one for big biceps and strappy lads. I think, I'm attracted to his personality first (as I am with most men) and he's definitely a passionate type, he's a Scorpio, and anyway look how passionate he was about Camilla, that's rare with the priviledged, took so much flack. AND he cares about countryside and art, same as me grin. Also he's in good shape, slim etc, and yes, now he's a bit too old, but I like older men if they are interesting grin. Ode to Charles, here you are grin.

siezethenight Mon 13-May-13 19:39:51

www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9uMJovuA_Y

The differences between the English and the Welsh!

I am Welsh, by the way and the video is meant to be funny and a lighthearted joke... I love it. I love the English also. I have never heard that Welsh poem before, ever.
And I love Prince Harry!

IamtheBatman Mon 13-May-13 19:51:20

I detest racism in all it's forms, and don't think particulaly highly of the royal family per se. But if you can do two tours of afghanistan and not come back a frothing racist you are probably doing ok. After having your mates or people you like/respect killed it would damage anyone. I know the stuff which seeker is referring to happened a long time ago and it isn't right but hopefully he's grown up a bit and isn't so much of a twat. As for the strip billiards who honestly gives a rats arse, he's a single man chatting up a woman and having sex! (the shock! the horror!) I personally don't care one way or the other about him to be honest. I just hope he learns to pull his head out of his arse and his foot out of his mouth. He'll probably be ok.

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