To not understand why people watch people being murdered on youtube and similar?

(62 Posts)
lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 17:51:02

I know it's human nature to have an element of morbid curiosity (which I will admit to myself)

But why do some people watch horrible videos of people being beheaded or shot over and over? I will never ever watch these videos - once you've seen it you can't unsee it can you?

It disturbs me that stuff like this is freely available these days. But nothing can be done about it. I just hope my children never see it...

JaquelineHyde Wed 08-May-13 17:54:26

I didn't even know those kinds of videos were available on Youtube shock

How do you know OP and have you ever watched one?

lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 17:57:16

No, I have never watched one ever! I would not dare - I am very sensitive and it would haunt me. I found out about it in the news - there have been reports of people posting these videos on facebook.

squoosh Wed 08-May-13 18:01:09

The idea of murder footage being seen as light entertainment chills my blood.

Also, once you've seen something like that you can never un-see it. I'm sure lots of people who've decided to click on these links wish they could scrub it from their memory.

Lj8893 Wed 08-May-13 18:01:35

A friend of mine who usually posts funny videos on Facebook posted a youtube video the other day and so I watched it, expecting a laugh.

It was vile, of a woman being beheaded by her husband. Absolutely disgusted and made me feel so sick. I don't know why my friend posted it but I reported it straight away! I haven't spoke to him since!

I don't even know why it was on youtube!!!!

PoppyWearer Wed 08-May-13 18:03:57

The idea of my children ever seeing something like that really scares me.

Dawndonna Wed 08-May-13 18:04:03

Is there really stuff like that on there? Surely people would be caught for it? Is it an urban myth like the 'snuff movies' of the seventies?

lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 18:06:02

I thought youtube was supposed to delete inappropriate videos??

Lj, I think that was the same video I heard about. Most of them are to do with the drug cartels in Mexico apparently. Murder there is happening so frequently that even ordinary citizens are becoming numb to what is going on - chilling indeed.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 08-May-13 18:06:30

Lj I hope you deleted her. Unforgivable.
It's terrifying that this is on YouTube - I assume they take it down as soon as they know. I really hope so.

lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 18:08:07

I always thought (hoped) snuff videos were urban myth, but these recent vidoes are similar to the ones posted by Al Qaeda about 10 years ago - in that the people who post them are dangerous gangs who think they are above the law.

There is a thread in Chat, asking posters what macabre stuff they like. I will admit to watching stuff like this, it fascinates me. I started off with being interested with serial killers and why they did it and went on to "normal" people committing heinous acts, usually in the name of some cause, religion, education etc. Animal cruelty gets to me more than people, except babies. It is important to know your limit and I agree that there must be hundreds of people badly affected by there being so much shocking stuff, freely, easily available.

Sparhawk Wed 08-May-13 18:09:35

For the same reasons they watch 2 Girls 1 Cup and other shock videos, morbid curiosity.

littlepeas Wed 08-May-13 18:11:46

In the Margaret Atwood novel, Oryx and Crake, there is a passage where the narrator describes all the disgusting things he and his friend watched online - including a website called something like headsoff.com - it was written about 10 years ago, so before the advent of YouTube, Facebook, etc. I don't understand why anyone would want to see stuff like that, but then I suppose public executions were a major form of entertainment back in the day, so maybe it's not that odd.

lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 18:13:19

Yes I remember that in Oryx and Crake. How awful that that came true? sad

maddening Wed 08-May-13 18:14:52

I was in the pub years ago with my friend and sat near the computer with free internet for customers and that video of the man being beheaded was watched by a group of scary men (the reason I didn't kick up a fuss). I didn't watch as it made me feel sick - but I could hear it and it made my blood run cold - I had to cover my ears - it was v upsetting.

Sparhawk Wed 08-May-13 18:15:17

They're still a major form of entertainment in certain countries today littlepeas

There are lots of murder/accidental killing video's, of all different types, innocent people getting killed in the street, sometimes whilst just passing a fight, especially in Russia and Eastern EU countries.

There are lots of murder/accidental killing video's, of all different types, innocent people getting killed in the street, sometimes whilst just passing a fight, especially in Russia and Eastern EU countries.

expatinscotland Wed 08-May-13 18:16:17

Because they are sick, twisted fucks.

lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 18:16:45

The thing is the people being killed in these videos are someone's child, someone's parent or friend or whatever. That's why I don't understand how something so awful could be entertainment.

Lj8893 Wed 08-May-13 18:18:10

I just googled the video I was talking about to see if any news articles came up about it and all that came up was websites about hardcore gore etc that have "reviewed" the footage. I'm shocked.

expatinscotland Wed 08-May-13 18:19:37

'The thing is the people being killed in these videos are someone's child, someone's parent or friend or whatever. That's why I don't understand how something so awful could be entertainment.'

YY. Having suffered the bereavement of a child, it hammers home to me just how completely fucking sick you have to be to watch vids like this, or to film them or post them. If you find watching someone's death fascinating you really need your head checked, or at least ask yourself if you'd be happy with others watching your child, parent, sibling or you die horribly and without your permission.

Sparhawk Wed 08-May-13 18:20:42

There was a shock video going around called 3 guys 1 hammer, horrific story, two serial killers tortured and killed a man in Russia with a hammer and a screwdriver. Someone leaked the video of them doing it. Fucking disturbing and I only had it described to me.

minouminou Wed 08-May-13 18:21:40

Eesh. I stumbled upon footage of "witch" burnings in Kenya last week, believing it to be a news report, rather than the killings themselves.

My heart rate has just gone up now, thinking about it.

minouminou Wed 08-May-13 18:23:24

I couldn't stop watching, though....I just couldn't believe it.

Sparhawk Wed 08-May-13 18:24:08

Oh, I remember watching an animals rights documentary and they showed a fox after it had been skinned alive and it was still moving sad I was only young at the time and I had nightmares about it.

marjproops Wed 08-May-13 18:26:04

theres too many progs/films/x-box games that show the same, and people watch those.

and while they may be fictionalised, theyre still graphic and unfortunaletly there are some sicko people out there wholl love it all.

and if these utube things are real why arent the perps caught?

Dawndonna Wed 08-May-13 18:26:47

I think I'll avoid stuff like that thanks, I couldn't cope. I don't 'do' gore, although Oryx and Crake made me want to rip Attwood's head off!

I remember my peers watching these in school sad there was a particularly bad one of a western gent being beheaded by al qaeda that they watched on repeat.

It isn't as simple as being "sick or twisted" that is the interesting part and I certainly don't need me head testing. I cannot watch stuff involving animals or children, or anyone vulnerable. I think its the ability to not link what you see with your own life and those around you. its similar to watching a lot of Holocaust recordings, or writings, yet there are one or two scenes that stay and they aren't the "worse" they just have the ability to touch us because we have linked our own life to what is happening. There are psychological explanations for this.

Its part of a culture of normalisation.

Compare it to porn: the more pornographic acts became mainstream the more extreme porn become en masse. Now that some of those extremes are becoming more normalised the more hardcore porn has to be to create demand.

Now look at what we have today: 24 hour news. The stations/websites have to draw viewers so they get as much news out of whatever story is huge at the time. If that means showing graphic images then so be it, to try to compete with all the other news out there. Add to that the fact that the internet is so easily accessible by almost everyone and the techo-savviness of so many people that we will end up with shit like this on YouTube. They can remove it and remove it, but someone will have seen and reposted it and they can always put new stuff up there.

As to what can be done I don't know. Stricter rules on internet use with likely only penalise those of us who are already law abiding web users. Vigilance, I guess, is the only solution. sad

I hate it.

lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 18:55:26

I hate it too - and yes it is exactly like porn (which I feel, could damage the sexuality of young people in some instances and where people grow up watching it all the time as a habit).

Sidge Wed 08-May-13 18:57:22

The people that watch/post/enjoy these sort of videos on YouTube are probably the same people that stand around filming things on their phones, such as fights, car crashes, paramedics attending to accidents.

An evolution of attending gladiatorial fights, or the guillotine, or stonings maybe?

Anyone who watches this stuff is messed up.

It's all part of a creeping acceptance of things which are indecent and plain wrong. Movies like SAW, disgusting pictures on facebooks, videos on YouTube. Don't people understand that it isn't normal. It changes how you think about the world - seeing something like that.

There is always going to be shocking stuff available, though. The most upsetting stuff I have seen has been via documentaries or information type programme's that feature Unit 731 and similar, or the Chinese baby dying rooms. The adults who take part in this, have normal lives, outside of their "work", we, as a society ignore such acts, especially if we benefit from them, well maybe more the US. A lot of the video's are taking place in what is essentially a "normal, functioning" society.

There is always going to be shocking stuff available, though. The most upsetting stuff I have seen has been via documentaries or information type programme's that feature Unit 731 and similar, or the Chinese baby dying rooms. The adults who take part in this, have normal lives, outside of their "work", we, as a society ignore such acts, especially if we benefit from them, well maybe more the US. A lot of the video's are taking place in what is essentially a "normal, functioning" society.

lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 19:07:46

I went to see Saw at the cinema, not having heard much about it. I hid my eyes for most of it and checked the back of my car for weeks! But at least that isn't real life.

lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 19:09:02

'chinese baby dying rooms'??? WTF? Sounds too awful.

expatinscotland Wed 08-May-13 19:19:12

'I cannot watch stuff involving animals or children, or anyone vulnerable.'

I guess Chinese Baby Dying Rooms are somehow different. Anyone who can disconnect this sort of them from themselves and their lives needs a head check or locked up, because that's what scum who do this sort of thing do to carry it out, film it and post it on the fucking internet for sick tourists to watch.

expatinscotland Wed 08-May-13 19:20:47

'Compare it to porn: the more pornographic acts became mainstream the more extreme porn become en masse. Now that some of those extremes are becoming more normalised the more hardcore porn has to be to create demand.'

Exactly.

thebody Wed 08-May-13 19:30:59

Expat totally agree with all of your posts.

There are some sick, psychotic bastards out there who perform this just as SS guards did.

There are weak but viciously inclined cowardly bastards who watch and so promote this stuff just like those who post, watch and send this filthy horrible vile stuff the same people who would watch Jews being Herded into cattle trucks.

When my dd and her friends were injured, covered in blood and being rescued from an accident lots of good people helped.

Some stood and filmed, I hate those people so much it physically hurts.

lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 19:36:06

But, thebody - the SS guards were not psychopaths, a lot of them. Many of them would have led ordinary lives, had it not been for the rise of Hitler.

It's much easier to distance yourself from people who partake in violence in some way by writing them off as sick or psychotic but this is not the case, I fear. Which is why this issue need to be addressed.

I do, however believe that watching stuff like this could cause psychological damage. I despair that we can do nothing about it.

expatinscotland Wed 08-May-13 19:37:42

'When my dd and her friends were injured, covered in blood and being rescued from an accident lots of good people helped.

Some stood and filmed, I hate those people so much it physically hurts.'

And now, think of them posting it for gawpers because it's 'interesting' 'just an accident' and how warped you have to be to completely dissociate their pain and misery from your own life.

expatinscotland Wed 08-May-13 19:40:09

'I do, however believe that watching stuff like this could cause psychological damage. I despair that we can do nothing about it.'

It desensitises human beings from the pain and suffering of others. The way porn does, so it becomes entertainment, 'interesting', 'fascinating' or even something they can do/film themselves.

BegoniaBampot Wed 08-May-13 19:49:33

I really fear for my children growing up with all of this round about them and it will probably only get worse.

Remember a case years ago where a woman's date or boyfriend made her watch the Ken Bigley beheading in his flat. he was prosecutted and i think even possibly imprisoned. Ken Bigley was someone's son, husband, father etc - folk watching it and having a laugh are beyond me.

thebody Wed 08-May-13 19:55:38

Yes expat agree.

Lottie, many psychopaths have wives and families. As do rapists and paedophiles. Doesn't mean they arnt psychopaths just means they are able to disassociate and not empathise,, so psychotic.

LEMisdisappointed Wed 08-May-13 19:57:30

I find it disturbing enough hearing about atrocities on the news, i do not have ANY morbid curiosity whatsoever. I have a cast iron stomach when it comes to blood and guts but the taking of a human life, or hurting someone (or an animal) is not entertainment and i woudl question the morality of someone who thought this was ok to watch.

As someone said upthread, once you have watched this you can't unwatch it.

I struggle with violence in films and on TV, even though its not "real" why would anyone want to watch that?

LEMisdisappointed Wed 08-May-13 19:59:08

lottie that is a good point about the SS and hitler, i think its about depersonalisation - they are indoctrinated to believe that the people they torture and murder are somehow subhuman so do not matter. Its horrible.

lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 20:43:12

thebody - iirc, some senior members of the SS who were caught were found to be 'normal' and not psychopathic.

thebody Wed 08-May-13 20:57:38

Yes lottie take your point.

I just feel such evil people must be ill when in fact they are just evil. No excuse. Very scary.

Horrible op agree with you.

HollyBerryBush Wed 08-May-13 20:59:33

I was given a link to a sharia law punishment once. Never again, and I never watch you tube unless I'm googling very crap 1980's music

MyBaby1day Thu 09-May-13 03:19:24

I think any things like this should be universally banned from the internet. I like scary films if they are just acting but leave it there. HATE the vulnerable (or anyone) being hurt. I'm very compassionate.

piprabbit Thu 09-May-13 03:36:09

There's a BBC news link here that you might find interesting. Its been in the news this week because Facebook finally agreed to ban one of these beheading videos having previously refused to take action.

Thumbwitch Thu 09-May-13 04:36:59

YANBU. I don't understand it at all. I am, however, very sensitive about shit like this because it stays with me - I read a couple of Karin Slaughter books and can't get some of her stuff out of my head, it lurks like poison - and I get upset about it. Real life stuff is of course even worse than fictional accounts.

I can't even derive enjoyment from things like "you've been framed" where people have obviously hurt themselves. Cats falling into baths/ loo bowls, no issue - people falling off things/over/hitting their heads etc., just not funny. Especially little children.

There is a video on youtube of some weird woman doing "Russian yoga" or somesuch with a young baby - swinging it around like a ragdoll - that upset me for days.

I avoid stuff like that as much as possible and can't even watch horror movies any more.

<<needs a brain bleaching kit>>

MerkinMaker Thu 09-May-13 08:17:16

When dh was younger he shared a room with some other men, one who often watched these videos.

Dh watched one , at first he didn't know what it was and then I think an element of being frozen by the horror of it and peer pressure kept him watching. (he was only young)

He said it was awful, he felt sick and couldn't sleep properly for a long time. It still makes him feel sick 12 years later.

BegoniaBampot Thu 09-May-13 08:18:43

Thank god i'm not the only one who doesn't like watching people being hurt on YBF. I've turned into such a woose, don't even like reading the horrible stories regarding children or torture etc in the papers.

Someone sent a group email once or it was FB on James Bulger supposedly listing everything that was done to him under the guise of concern and justice for james. i was furiuous - who sends this shit to people.

floatyfloni Thu 09-May-13 08:49:30

When I was at school, some others from my class and I were watching silly videos on the internet. Harmless things like skateboarders doing amazing stunts and babies falling asleep while eating dinner, that sort of thing.

We clicked on a video with the title 'dancing penguin'. It wasn't. It was a hideous video of a man having his head cut off. The noise, the sounds, the blood. That really fucking stuck in my head and it disturbed me for a long time. Think we were maybe 13/14?

Anyway eventually moved on from it, and blocked it from memory.

Then something made me think of it a year or so ago and all the old emotions and disturbance came rushing back. I could not get it out of my head; to the point that it was ruining my everyday life. I remember crying to my dp about how much he haunted me. It was a real regression back to childhood.

All fine, i can think about and not be so emotional. The internet has a real darkside.

floatyfloni Thu 09-May-13 08:52:02

That last bit meant to read 'all fine now'.

BegoniaBampot Thu 09-May-13 09:23:15

floaty that's awful, no wonder it really affected you. I clicked on a link once innocently and it was very disturbing picture (won't go into details as i wouldn't want to put the image in anyones head) and i reported it. this is what i worry about when my kids use the internet - there is so much stuff out there and you don't have to be looking for it.

floatyfloni Thu 09-May-13 09:30:51

You're so right begonia you dont have to be looking for it at all. We were on a school computer so was heavily censored and regulated and all the top notch security but some things slip through the net.

Whoever posted it disguised it as something seemingly fun and innocent. That is probably the most disturbing thing about it to me now.

lottieandmia Thu 09-May-13 10:20:21

floaty - how awful! What happened to you illustrates my point entirely - you were at school not looking for this stuff and even then you ended up exposed to it. I really worry about my girls.

That children can end up watching these videos is plain wrong and a real threat to their mental health. And something needs to be done about it.

Years ago, when I was in my early 20s there were pro-anorexia websites popping up and quite a few of them were shut down. I don't understand why the same can't happen with websites that people set up showing these vile videos.

andubelievedthat Thu 09-May-13 16:36:30

yup, "expatinScotland" said >sick fuckers ! morbid fascination ? a.k.a. >sick fucker!

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