to ask if you are judgey about pushchairs?

(348 Posts)

I need to vent. Why does it seem the world and his wife has an opinion on your flippin buggy!!
I am looking to buy (from Gps as a present) 7 month old Dd a new buggy. I love the bugaboos but i just dont think i can afford a decent one so ive been looking at different styles for her.
No matter what i pick it seems to come under fire. So i thought sod it, im going with what WE like!!

WE like a Quinny Buzz 3, in black for £100. I think unpon research this is good?
Now ive just heard i will look chavvy, they are cheap and naff, common and nasty.
WELL im buying it arent i? Cant people just be nice and non judgey???

Please dont flame me for this because i do know peoples opinions get to me too much. Could you suggest a suitable response please? Also what you think of the Quinny!

AIBU to still even look at the Quinny?
or AIBU to give a shit on thoughts?

I couldn't give a shit what prams people have. I generally dont give a shit about people grin

SPs i need this attitude!!!!!

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Wed 08-May-13 15:45:51

Well, you could always tell people that you don't care what they think. ime that always works.

or you could not ask people their opinions and then if they give them anyway, you can say that you don't care what they think. grin

me, I couldn't tell one pushchair from another. I didn't give a shit what type it was when my kids were in them and I still don't give a shit now.

I particularly don't give a shit what other people choose to do with their money so I wouldn't judge you on your pushchair but I would think those who give a crap what other people choose to spend their money on - are arses. grin

Pootles2010 Wed 08-May-13 15:46:39

Under fire from who? I can't imagine discussing my buggy plans with anyone tbh.

But no I'd never judge someone on something like that - can't say I'd notice what other people have!?

Sparklingbrook Wed 08-May-13 15:47:07

Pushchairs are pushchairs. Have whatever you want-seriously. The cheapest one that does the job surely?

Kasterborous Wed 08-May-13 15:47:12

Get whatever you want, knickers to what anyone thinks. I never even notice what pushchairs other people have to be honest. I remember when we bought ours I was seven months pregnant and couldn't give a crap by the end of the day I just said buy one!

A pram is a pram. I couldn't care what make and I couldn't care of you push your 13 year old in one either.

I just don't care about what other people do. Take your goat out in a quinny for all I care

YouDontWinFriendsWithSalad Wed 08-May-13 15:47:41

Don't give a shit. But then again, I've have a Maclaren bought three years ago for £20 on eBay. So I'm probably being judged.

CrapBag Wed 08-May-13 15:48:06

I have never heard anyone judging about pushchairs, or what different ones represent. I get the pushchair I want because that's the one that I want, tough shit what some random person thinks, it isn't theirs.

YouDontWinFriendsWithSalad Wed 08-May-13 15:48:28

"Take your goat out in a quinny for all I care"

Sorry but I would point and laugh at that. <judgemental>

SpanielFace Wed 08-May-13 15:49:14

Honestly? I never notice what other people are pushing. Apparently my friend has a bugaboo, I never spotted. They're just buggies! Who cares, so long as it works?

Pascha Wed 08-May-13 15:49:31

Ahh fuckem. Get what you like and stop worrying what anyone else thinks. Quinnys are ten-a-penny so you will be in good company.

I knew you lot woould help smile

JambalayaCodfishPie Wed 08-May-13 15:50:34

Have you pushed it? I only judge when I see tall people pushing because they have to stoop so low to reach the handles they look ridiculous. And it must ache! smile

I'm a feminist. I refuse to be judged on my pram FFS. Tell people you have better and more important things to worry about. Yummy mummy bollocks. And, your nappy bag is not a designer handbag and even if it was, it doesn't make you big or clever.

Why am I so invested in this <walks off to think about it>?

LooseyMy Wed 08-May-13 15:52:49

I judge women who bring massive tank-buggies onto buses! A dainty little thing is so much easier for everyone on public transport!

mamalovebird Wed 08-May-13 15:53:35

If people have nowt better to do than comment or care on other people's pushchairs I'd suggest they a. need to to get more and b. should be grateful that's the the biggest thing they have to think about.

Ignore. I barely remember what buggy I have, never mind anyone elses.

MrsPennyapple Wed 08-May-13 15:54:33

I think YABU to give a shit smile

I never knew until I joined MN just brand-crazy people apparently get over pushchairs. It's like they are a status symbol or something! I don't give a moment's thought to anyone else's pushchair, and don't know anyone else who would either, so if it suits your purposes, get it.

It's just a thing that does a job, to me. You get the one that suits you, in terms of price and lifestyle. We bought a second hand Graco travel system when I was expecting DD, will be using it for DC2, and then it'll be given away or scrapped, depending on how much life is left in it. Yes it is chunky and heavy, but it is very sturdy and folds up quickly, with one hand. I didn't drive at the time, so those were the factors that were important to me.

Kat101 Wed 08-May-13 15:54:35

Much prefer a Maclaren. Great build quality, great for older babies and toddlers, folds up light and small for the car boot, basket reasonable. I'd pick one over anything else hands down.

I have absolutely no idea if anyone thinks anything about me and my not so trendy Maclaren, and I wouldn't waste any time giving it the time of day if they did they should get a life

mamalovebird Wed 08-May-13 15:54:50

a. need to get out more.

don't know what happened there.

Okay smile its my desicion and everyone can get lost!!

EwanHoozami Wed 08-May-13 15:58:57

Some people do make assumptions based on what pram you use, just as they do the car you drive and the clothes on your back. Whether you let this bother you is within your control.

FriendsWithSalad You seem very judgey if you would judge someone on their goat transport grin

needaholidaynow Wed 08-May-13 16:01:50

I love my pram! It's a Mamas and Papas one bought by ILs and I have no idea what it's called but I love it! Its tiny. I once had a Silver Cross travel system and never ever again. I would feel so self conscious pushing one of those monsters about now!

needaholidaynow Wed 08-May-13 16:04:46

I have to laugh at the mums at DSD's school who think they are something because they have a trendy pram. I think I get more judgey towards the people like that tbh.

Ashinagai Wed 08-May-13 16:06:48

I have a Quinny Zapp and it's fantastic. So light and easy to steer. I have no frickin idea why other people are so judgmental about what brand of buggy you buy, I didn't even know it was a 'thing' until I had DS 3 months ago. It seems ridiculous and petty. Would they be that openly rude about your choice of car? Or shoes??
Sorry for rant, have just had someone (Bugaboo owner) be very rude about my lovely buggy, along the lines of, you're too stingy to buy your baby a decent buggyangryangryangryangry.
Buy the Quinny and save your back!

pictish Wed 08-May-13 16:07:42

No I'm not. They are wholly uninteresting to me. I wasn't even that bothered about getting my ds1's. They're all much of a muchness tbh. Cheap ones, expensive ones. So long as the wheels go round eh?

Put it this way - I have never coveted a pushchair. Bugaboos look wanky, and all the others look the same.

Sparhawk Wed 08-May-13 16:08:08

Chavy really?!

I have a Cosatto Supa Cat Walk, I get nothing but nice comments about it but people know when I'm coming, but I wouldn't give a shit if people didn't like it. Plus it's fuffing hilarious to see my twat of an ex pushing her in it.

[http://www.cosatto.com/products/pushchairs/supa-pushchair/catwalk Oh so bright.]]

Sparhawk Wed 08-May-13 16:08:32

Link fail, eep here!

mytitsareonfire Wed 08-May-13 16:10:03

A pram is a pram. I bought mine because it had pictures of trees on it and I thought it looked pretty cool. Couldn't give a shit about the make or anything and always do a slow head tilt when people try to engage me in conversations about them.

DH has a friend who's partner harps on about her bugaboo being the rolls Royce of the pram world or something. Whatever, mines green and matches my lounge.

DeepRedBetty Wed 08-May-13 16:11:01

The only pram-related thing I get judgey about is when someone feels it necessary to spend £1000 plus on a buggy but doesn't seem capable of actually talking to the baby.

needaholidaynow Wed 08-May-13 16:11:25

Ashinagai WTAF? Why are people so bothered about having a super expensive buggy???

ouryve Wed 08-May-13 16:11:54

I couldn't give a shit about other people's buggies, so long as they're clean, safe and appropriate for the child.

usualsuspect Wed 08-May-13 16:13:26

Do people really care about this shit?

3MenAndMe Wed 08-May-13 16:13:41

Don't worry,go with your guts...
I've bought Baby StyleLux for 20 quid for my baby...
The reason was my baby's comfort not the look.I thought ab out Buzz,however after looking/touching/checking in the shops I really dislike the seat as it looks shallow and does not recline flat(legs go up as well)...
But it may be just me....;)

Arion Wed 08-May-13 16:14:54

I've got a buzz, and a zapp. Both bought in 2007, both still being used for dc2.

Get some bike slime for the air tyres though, cuts down dramatically on the number of punctures!

ivanapoo Wed 08-May-13 16:15:02

I have a third hand, ancient bugaboo and it's heavy and unwieldy. The catches and wheels get stuck loads. I like it because it cost me £0 but I'd prefer a cheaper, newer pram.

I hope no-one judges me for it!

PurplePidjin Wed 08-May-13 16:16:21

I spent £40 on an off roady type one with big comfy wheels. It lives in the boot of my car and is lucky to come out once a fortnight.

I use a sling, and no longer get road rage battling round stupid people in shops.

Margetts Wed 08-May-13 16:16:52

Dont worry what other people think its a mode of transport!! It doesn't make your baby happier, healthier or more intelligent!!
I do admit to laugh at teenage mums who always seem to have the most expensive buggies!!

TallyGrenshall Wed 08-May-13 16:17:04

The one and only time I have been judgy about a pram/buggy is my friends DP who is insisting that they spend nearly a grand on a ilollipop/sherbet/fuckknows.

He has just been made redundant and it will swallow up nearly all of his final wage.

He asked, I offered my opinion and there my interest ended

Pobblewhohasnotoes Wed 08-May-13 16:17:32

I have a Bugaboo Bee and I love it. It's light and easy to fold. I hate big, bulky plasticky prams and couldn't care less if anyone is bothered by that.

Cantbelieveitsnotbutter Wed 08-May-13 16:17:44

My ds used his buggy for 9 months, even then it was barely used only on a Sunday really. If i had bought a £1000 one I'd have been mortified at the lack of use for the money. As it turned out it was fab it fitted In my tiny boot was easy to put up and down and was £95.
So, buy the one you like, the one that does the job needed. Stuff everyone else. It's your pennies and your baby.

usualsuspect Wed 08-May-13 16:18:01

I'm old I wouldn't know a quinny bugaboo zapp if it ran me over.

badguider Wed 08-May-13 16:19:22

I couldn't care less and know nothing about pushchairs. I plan to borrow one to start with and if it's too big/small/high/low/rough to push then I'll see about getting one more comfortable for me and the baby... otherwise, i'll be spending my money on tea and cake more important stuff.

Omnishambolic Wed 08-May-13 16:20:48

You are being unreasonable not to provide a link to said buggy, so I can judge whether I would judge without having to Google it first. I have no idea what it looks like or what it does.

I would judge you if you were trying to get one of those massive carriage built Silver Crosses onto my bus. There my interest lives and dies in other people's buggies. Do what you want!

Ashinagai Wed 08-May-13 16:21:44

Needaholiday I was flabbergasted. The person in question said it to DH who told me...we have quite a nice car and the gist was, you buy yourselves a nice car but a crap buggy for your baby. Maybe I should start a AIBU thread about wanting to smash this person's head into a wall?!

Omnishambolic Wed 08-May-13 16:21:44

I cannot imagine what a chavvy pram would look like btw. Does it have its ears pierced? Is it in fake Burburry check? Do you have to dress like Vicky Pollard to push one?

Startail Wed 08-May-13 16:22:37

I had a £300 mountain buggy and a £15 Mothercare special with a damaged handle (thank you BA). The Mountain buggy had a cheep generic for muff and either a totally daft white parasol of a muslin square and safety pin sun visor depending on the wind.

Buggies aren't fashion accessories they are there to do a job. Ie survive the Cornish coast path and beaches and fit in the footwell on the odd days when I needed my entire boot. Or be chucked on a plain once DD was old enough to walk most of the time.

Omnishambolic Wed 08-May-13 16:25:56

Having now looked up the buggy in question, it looks like a black buggy, no further thoughts than that. What do you have at present though? I would be wary of getting one that doesn't fold easily at this stage, or at least being aware that you will probably want to get a Maclaren type of thing at some point in the future for ease, and then you won't use this as much as you think you will.

showtunesgirl Wed 08-May-13 16:26:25

I'm afraid you can't win. I have a Bugaboo Bee and didn't want to buy it because I didn't want people to think that I WAS the kind of person who cares about brands of prams.

Then I realised I was being an idiot and bought one because it was the best pram for our needs. It had fuck all to do with being trendy or what not.

And where I live everyone seems to have either a Bugaboo or a Maclaren as our train station has loads of stairs and both makes of these prams are easy and light enough to nip up and down stairs.

I couldn't give a crap what pram people have, so long as they don't run over my toes or anything like that. grin

Wishfulmakeupping Wed 08-May-13 16:27:39

I really wanted a icandy but couldn't justify spending that much when I could get something very similar for a couple hundred less (oyster) since then I've been surprised how many people on benefits have the icandy not being judgey but there's a lot! Not sure how people can pick the icandy or bugaboo when they aren't rich it's a lot of money when you get get others that look nice and do the job for a lot less- sliver cross surf etc

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=quinny+buzz+3+red&client=safari&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=IG-KUdmeNofGPOPmgZgE&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=320&bih=416

This is the one that will suit us perfectly, and has been labelled.
I have a huge one at present that dd does not look comfortable in at all and slips around its a obaby Zezu

Pobblewhohasnotoes Wed 08-May-13 16:31:21

Have you actually had a play with the Quinny? I wouldn't buy a buggy without seeing if I liked it first. Have you looked at the mini city jogger or petite star zia?

ClaraOswald Wed 08-May-13 16:32:22

I only judge about pushchairs if it has five tonnes of shopping on the back, and has tipped backwards with a screaming child in it and there is no sign of an adult.

However, I do know a fair few people who have bought the buzz and end up hating it because the back wheels are so wide, they catch going around corners.

pictish Wed 08-May-13 16:32:38

In fact - my fil bought our first buggy for us. We didn't get to choose it. It was a very handsome and expensive Tuetonia Y2K. A Rolls Royce among buggies.
Stupid thing it was...too big to get in shop doors or on the bus without a fight.

I secretly bought a McLaren and only took the Rolls when we were visiting fil. What a waste of money! If they'd bothered to ask first I could've saved them hundreds.

The best value for money I have had over three children is whatever the cheapest £20 buggy in Argos is. I've had two of those and they did exactly what it said on the tin. The wheels went round and everything!

needaholidaynow Wed 08-May-13 16:32:39

Oh my god in heaven. I think I want to bang my OWN head against a wall, and I bet you do too!

louisianablue2000 Wed 08-May-13 16:32:57

I have been judged, apparently my buggy was 'getting really common'. Since I'd bought it because it was a double I couldn't give a shit. I'm now on DC3 and the buggy is still going strong, whereas the woman who criticized me bought a second buggy before her first child was a year old. Think I'd rather be common than buy a new buggy with every child. Not that I told her that, I just hoiked my judgy pants in private.

Wallison Wed 08-May-13 16:35:15

I understand what you mean about people judging you - I used to feel very self-conscious about the fifth-hand pram I had when I went to baby groups and everyone else there had what I thought were trendy buggies. But then I got a few nice comments about how great the pram was because the baby is higher up and facing you and also how handy it must be for shopping (which it was; with careful packing and stacking I could fit a whole week's worth including nappies onto the parcel shelf!) and I realised that most other people just think about practicalities rather than prams as status symbols and those that didn't weren't worth worrying about. I ended up loving that pram!

I had a go with it yes smile it's just the one that dd looked happy in aswell I liked the footrest

I had a basic lightweight mclaren. Think it cost about forty quid. It never crossed my mind that someone would give a toss about how I transported DC.
I ditched the expensive mamas and papas travel system as was too heavy and a PITA to fold. I gave it away to my Valkyrie mate smile

KansasCityOctopus Wed 08-May-13 16:40:14

im only judgy of people who spend stupid amounts on a buggy thats never going to be used more than a couple of months.

i bought my maclaren quest for 75 quid 5.5 years ago and its got me through 2 children and been the best spent money so far.

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Wed 08-May-13 16:40:31

Wishful people on benefits may be owners of iCandy prams, doesn't mean they bought it though - in laws, second hand, family clubbing together.

How do people know others are on benefits? Do they have to wear a sign now?

mrsjay Wed 08-May-13 16:41:34

it is a thing with wheels that you push your baby in why do people care It is a pram I dont have babies anymore but I cant remember anybody commenting on the big maclaren buggies we had (*sp your mum probably has pictures of you in 1 luv grin)

Wishfulmakeupping Wed 08-May-13 16:44:20

Brian you are right I'm only talking about people I actually know of course not everyone on benefits just seems a lot to spend now pram solely. My salary and my partners is good but even we couldn't justify spending so much just on a pram when there's so much else to buy!

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Wed 08-May-13 16:44:32

I wanted an iCandy , then realised a Britax B-Smart something-or-the-other would meet my needs and look as nice, but for about £300 less.

Then I found it half price on kiddicare so a 600 package for 300!

Bought by my parents.

In fact, I remember being out in Glasgow with my mate one day. She too had mamas and papas travel system costing a fortune. She came home that day with a mclaren for exactly the same reasons as me.

usualsuspect Wed 08-May-13 16:47:29

Oh my, people on benefits are judged about their buggies
Fuck me I've heard it all now.

Maybe the should have a cardboard box on wheels

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Wed 08-May-13 16:48:19

I am amazed at how much.people will spend Wishful

I was looking for no more than 200, carseat inc, but mum got over excited and insisted on buying any pram I liked (lucky for her I don't take the piss)

Now mum, about that new plasma TV grin

mrsjay Wed 08-May-13 16:49:41

Oh my, people on benefits are judged about their buggies
Fuck me I've heard it all now.

sadly they are by fuckwits people who think they have a right to judge about a pram

TBH i never notice what prams that come into where I work it is just a pram

mrsjay Wed 08-May-13 16:50:17

back in the day it was just a pram non of this travel system malarky

NoelHeadbands Wed 08-May-13 16:50:37

Three kids.

Have never given the tiniest shit about prams and wouldn't know a Quinny Bugaboo Silver Cross Whevs if it jumped up and slapped me in the face.

I'm amazed at how into them some people are.

FunnysInLaJardin Wed 08-May-13 16:52:23

we had a Quinny and I never knew I was being judged as a chav! What a lot of nonsense. I just thought it looked quite cool confused But then I am old and out of touch and really really don't care

mrsjay Wed 08-May-13 16:52:24

I wanted an iCandy ,

I have read ^ 3 times as icarly confused

ENormaSnob Wed 08-May-13 16:56:12

I love prams but really don't give a shit what other people have.

Which model Quincy are you looking at?

cantspel Wed 08-May-13 16:59:08

It has been years since i bought or needed a buggy but when i did i bought a chicco for the only reason that i liked the teddy bear on it.

Couldn't give a shiny shit what anyone else thought about it.

usualsuspect Wed 08-May-13 17:00:10

I had a carry cot on wheels,then a Maclaren from Argos.

Sparklingbrook Wed 08-May-13 17:02:31

I had some travel system then a Maclaren from Argos usual. grin Loved that Maclaren-so light.

DontmindifIdo Wed 08-May-13 17:03:00

wishful - amongst my NCT group and 'mummy friends' it seems the norm has been for grandparents to buy the pram and want to buy a "proper one" - the iCandys tends to fit the bill as it you can get a "proper pram top" from newborn rather than just reclining a seat IYSWIM. My PIL bought ours, even though we culd afford to buy one, but it seemed important to MIL that they got a good pram/buggy that would last us so that's what we got.

However, now expecting DC2 and while the buggy is still going strong, i'm shamelessly going to ask if anyone can recommend anything other than a bugaboo bee that can be rear facing and fold in one piece. (Can't justify the cost of a bugaboo when I have a perfectly good iCandy Cherry from DC1, but would like something that folds in one piece for ease, also have a McClaren but barely used it because it's forward facing, DS didn't like being forward facing and I found it was too hard to walk long distances pushing it compared to the iCandy - it's noticably harder work to push)

My mamas and papas pram had wicker sides. WTF was I thinking? grin

Autumn12 Wed 08-May-13 17:07:43

I have bought the Bugaboo Cameleon and have also been surprised at how "passionately" some people feel about it. One of my male colleagues is totally enraged that I would spend so much on something that just needs to get my baby from A to B.

It actually amuses me that he cares so much! I don't care what prams people have. We bought the one we liked, and because the crazy high resale value means that we will get a large chunk of money back when we come to sell it in a couple of years

diddl Wed 08-May-13 17:15:04

I do find the small swivel wheels odd on pushchairs/prams.

But other than that I really couldn't care.

I picked a pram for me-big fixed wheels & suspension as I knew I would be walking everywhere.

MsJupiterJones Wed 08-May-13 17:18:34

mytits I think we have the same pram. I thought the trees were cool too and they make DS go to sleep watching them.

DontmindifIdo Wed 08-May-13 17:18:59

Autumn - If you use the bus or car to go most places, then the type of buggy isn't as important (beyond making sure it fits in the car), whereas if you are someone who walks a lot then it's worth it. If you walk alot, "cost per mile" your bugaboo could cost you about the same as someone who has a McClaren in the boot of a car and drives most places.

I also had to point out to a bloke who was going on about how much my buggy cost that it cost less than his DW's handbag and only twice the cost of the shoes he was wearing. It's interesting what other people think of as "investment" and "worth the money".

csmm Wed 08-May-13 17:20:45

I'm an inverse snob so get judgy when I see babies being pushed in designer tanks that cost as much as my mortgage. I just think 'mug'. But, I will also add that that is only in certain areas near where I live where the most important thing to people seems to be their perceived status.

With our first DC we went with charity shop prams, but after the third fell apart my mum took us to buy a new Mclaren. This time I'm investing in a better from birth pram, but choice was based on weight, maneuvering ability and price.

I love pushchairs....I like them to do a job well.

The buzz really isn't the best on the market in its price range,it's very heavy,unwieldy,has a large fold and is an absolute cow to steer.
I generally don't care or notice what other people are pushing,but whenever I see a buzz I wonder whether the owner ever looked at anything else first...

Look at a Babyjogger versa,if you want parent facing-best thing on the market ATM.
Or the uppababy vista
Or an icandy peach or cherry (I don't much like the look,but they do push very nicely and parent face.)
Or a bugaboo bee
Or a brio go
Or a britax vigour (v old model,much better than the new britax's IMO)

Or ignore me,buy your buzz and sod everyone else, because it really doesn't matter as long as you're happy with it
but you'll regret it when you can't push it once your baby turns 18 months

ChunkyPickle Wed 08-May-13 17:25:20

Don't care about which buggy (I sling, GPs use an ancient, second hand Quinny something or other, and somewhere we have one of those folding deckchair things we used on a flight once)

BUT I would say that black buggies don't half get hot in the sun (the second hand Quinny was once black - now is a kind of faded charcoal grey). - a paler colour might be a better idea (although that brings it's own staining issues I suppose)

The Quinny (SX maybe?) is quite the workhorse though - solid, easy to push, looks comfortable for DS etc. so on that basis I would recommend it.

Autumn12 Wed 08-May-13 17:30:06

DontmindifIdo - Exactly.

loofet Wed 08-May-13 17:35:02

I haven't used a buggy for well over a year now, DC3 goes in the Ergo carrier. But when I did I always had a couple of requirements- baby had to face me, i'm too paranoid to have them facing away/I like to talk to them as we walk along and it had to have a carrycot option for small baby stage. The cheaper buggies don't have either ime. The cheaper ones tend to be the 'umbrella' style which I really don't like seeing small babies in. Personally I think small babies should be laid down in a carrycot SO I had to spend extra. I could justify the price I paid though because iCandy's sell on for a good price on ebay which ours did AND we don't drive so our buggy always got a lot of use.

I only judge if a buggy looks to be falling apart or if the kid in it is so big their feet are walking along the floor with it trying to keep up grin I used to be a lot worse at judging buggy appearance but since I quit using one I don't really notice. Most people use Quinny's btw, seem to be the most common brand so you'd be in good company.

Floggingmolly Wed 08-May-13 17:39:52

Through three children; nobody has ever commented on the buggies I used. I'd never notice anyone else's either. Who on earth is making all these judgey comments, and are you actually inviting them by discussing your choice with all and sundry? confused
Buy the one you want; I'll bet nobody takes the slightest notice of it if it's not constantly brought to their attention.

KevinFoley Wed 08-May-13 17:44:13

i would never think about judging a cheap pram. But...I do snigger a bit at those white leather and lace jobbies and the giant travel system tanks.

Wishfulmakeupping Wed 08-May-13 17:45:56

Read the second post and you will see what I'm trying to say obviously not getting my point across very well- long and short of it is I really want a icandy too but I can't justify that kind of money on 1 item for baby when there are other necessary items to buy even though we have a good income. Again. Only talking about people I know personally not generalising!

jacks365 Wed 08-May-13 17:58:53

I used a big coach built big wheeled tank when dd was a newborn but i walk everywhere. I then got a maclaren for convenience but realised i needed to replace my big one as the maclaren just doesn't carry enough shopping. I had a good look round and researched what i wanted and got a list of 3 that would suit me then it was a question of how much. I bought a Jane rider 2nd hand in perfect condition. All 3 were second hand and cost less than £200 in total. They are right for me, my daughter and my lifestyle and nothing else matters.

Sparklingbrook Wed 08-May-13 18:00:29

I had a three wheeled pushchair at one point. Puncture after puncture. sad

sweetestcup Wed 08-May-13 18:10:21

Kevin I know the exact ones you mean! When I was pram shopping for DS who's now 5 they seemed to be really popular in a town near me, hence the pram shop must have old thewm by the pramload. I would never judge by reason of chaviness or anything like that, I just used to wonder why people could have such appalling taste, they were a hideous white “leatherette” with very fancy frills.

HoneyDragon Wed 08-May-13 18:14:09

I would not judge you for buying a buzz.

I judge the fuck of Quinny for designing a puchchair with a unnecessarily wide rear that turns it into an unwieldy inadvertently shop lifting bastard as soon as you take it into any kind of shop.

That's a great post honey wink

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 18:26:13

Oh dear. I am obsessed with pushchairs. Everywhere we go it is a stealth buggy spotting exercise on my part.

I judge - yes I do. But not the (often very nice looking) people with naff buggies. Oh no. I judge the posers. And that's not based solely on their buggy.

You can see someone with a Joolz Day and think, ah, lovely people, friendly, smiley. They just want to best one they can find for their baby. And then you can see someone with an Icandy and think, Oh my God you're ignoring your baby, you're dressed in ridiculous high heels, are smoking, swearing...iyswim it ain't about the pram, it's about what you do wiv it smile

And conversely you see someone with a Graco that's seen better years and they look nice, or they look horrid, but seriously OP - the Buzz is so ubiquitous t hat I assume it's a good'un and don't even blink.

From a distance though it does look blooming wide?

HoneyDragon Wed 08-May-13 18:26:46

I borrowed my friends baby and it came with the buzz. Further baby stealing occurred without my stealing the pushchair too grin

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 18:27:26

Oh I saw a corker today though, I have to admit, and went shock because it was one of those Eichorn copies wicker ones, in white, with pink frilly charms and ruffles and ribbons and stuff hanging all round the front.

It was, I have to say, hideous.

HoneyDragon Wed 08-May-13 18:28:24

My favourite pushchair was my Britax Vigour as the basket underneath had a built in wine carrier. Clever pushchair.

ClaraOswald Wed 08-May-13 18:28:59

The Quinny Buzz is only 12 cm or so narrower than the Maclaren twin techno.

So yes, it's a really wide pushchair.

Sparklingbrook Wed 08-May-13 18:29:16

I have had to do some googling as never heard of Quinny. They are a bit fugly but I am v out of date. grin

ClaraOswald Wed 08-May-13 18:31:15

I see an awful lot of prams.

Some are fooking hideous leopard print trim on pale pink leatherette anyone?, I say nothing out loud.

HoneyDragon Wed 08-May-13 18:31:54

Actually, I tell a lie. When ds was wee, I had one of those fugly Gracos. It had huge wheels and the parent console bit held to plastic pint pots, so it was a godsend at festivals.

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 18:32:27

Never heard of Quinny??????

<faints> grin

zoobaby Wed 08-May-13 18:32:38

That looks very similar to the Britax I inherited from SIL which is now ferrying its 3rd child around. Great for off-roading and very easy to manouvre, but pretty impractical for getting on the bus (rear doors only and can't fold it without disassembling it). DS is also 7mo and we'll be going for a stroller-type transportation next.

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 18:33:31

Yes Gracos do have their uses grin

Mine lifted off the ground with baby ds1 in it, 10 years ago and the next day I went and got something decent.

lisaro Wed 08-May-13 18:33:44

It's a buggy. The only ones I judge are the absolutely filthy ones, usually carrying an equalky filthy child with a mullet.

alienbanana Wed 08-May-13 18:35:11

What HoneyDragon said.

Quinny Buzz is a shit pushchair and should be taken off the market.

Didn't realise people thought they were common or chavvy though... Weird that people give a shit about pushchairs.

HoneyDragon Wed 08-May-13 18:36:10

Have you come across this Clara, with its Chic leopard print design with metallic embroidery detail?


grin

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 18:38:57

sorry when I say lifted off the ground I mean it was parked on the pavement and a lorry went by, and up it went.

It also blew off a set of steps into a flowerbed, about a metre down...luckily he wasn't in it that time!

alienbanana Wed 08-May-13 18:39:21

Our double buggy was narrower than the buzz! It also actually fitted through the front door, which the quinny didn't.

Fucking bastard thing.

ClaraOswald Wed 08-May-13 18:43:21

My original impression of that one was that it was fuck ugly.

I dislike big game patterns on things anyway. Had it been cow print I might have liked it more.

ZenNudist Wed 08-May-13 18:43:34

Dying to know who the hell you know that is judgey about prams? WTF?! Examples please.

Baby jogger city minis are great. Try one, you'll love the way it folds, makes it really easy to get in a car or on a bus.

I have a bugaboo cam too, it's great not really a posing pram though - it's 'old' colours and always muddy. Anyway ds 2.8 is too big for it now. I suppose if I'm guilty of 'judging' pram owners I might register 'another' bugaboo, (or given mental nod of approval to bjcm users) but only cos it validates my choice. I've never given any thought to other peoples pushchair choices beyond that.

Fairylea Wed 08-May-13 18:44:37

I never even think about what pushchairs other people have! Honestly I've never heard anything so ridiculous smile ... it's just another form of snobbery and I have no time for snobs.

I have a silver cross linear freeway because it was half price in the sale and is built like a tank, as is ds smile

When dd was little we had a cheap as chips fold up buggy as I spent my life on the bus and I needed something that folded up in two seconds.

I've never ever looked at someone's pushchair and made a judgement, unless they have literally a newborn sitting bolt upright or a toddler dangerously hanging out!

tethersend Wed 08-May-13 18:45:13

I had a bugaboo cameleon for DD1 which I built myself from parts bought on eBay. I was pleased to be able to get one this way (cheaper), although it was still ££- still, I thought it was sturdy, safe and solid, and it was worth the price.

Then I forgot to do up the straps and tipped her out into the middle of the road. Face down.

My point is, it doesn't matter how safe the buggy is if the mum is a twat grin

tethersend Wed 08-May-13 18:46:32

Now have a micralite fastfold superlite and nod to other micralite owners knowingly wink

Sparklingbrook Wed 08-May-13 18:47:33

I saw this in RL. I judged.

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 18:50:01

LOL Tethers, I think many of us have had one of those moments. Ds3 fell out of his Bee on sunday, he was in the cocoon when the seat collapsed. He was sat on the road with only the top of his little tufty head visible, like a small sack of potatoes grin

No cars

Thank God

HoneyDragon Wed 08-May-13 18:50:39

Tethers. I had a Bugaboo Bee. Which tipped itself over and hurt dd. bugaboo sent me a Cameleon. And then wrote a lot of letters to a lot of owners offering them washers to prevent further baby flinging.

I didn't get cross about it btw. But boy they did. Which impressed me.

Sparklingbrook Wed 08-May-13 18:50:52

Cocoon? Bee? confused

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 18:51:41

Linear Freeways are very solid I think. I sold mine on after a week or so as I had another thing I preferred.

The strongest buggy I ever had was the cosatto T4. It never tipped, and I carried two small cast iron safes I found in a skip, home in the basket - and a load of small bricks as well. It was fine.

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 18:52:38

Blimey Honeydragon - washers? Do I need these? I did start a thread earlier asking if tipping children out was normal in these contraptions but no one has replied yet.

HoneyDragon Wed 08-May-13 18:54:32

Which Bee is it and how old is it?

I had both wheel judder and wheel lock together. Which was rather unlucky.

Tell me truly you wouldn't judge this PhotoShop triumph though.

I don't judge prams by brand, rather I notice if a pram is unsuitable (eg bad handle height, too bulky/heavy to get on public transport, etc.

I don't much like the ones with cartoon characters on either, but then I'm judging taste, not parenting! grin

giveitago Wed 08-May-13 18:55:23

When ds was that age a relative in italy got ds a nice functional buggy that here would cost very little. it was fine and we were grateful for it and it was properly functional - ie it had wheels, a little rain cover, a tiny thingy underneath for when I go shopping on foot.

Twas great - but in the overall scheme of london competiveness, we were constantly pushed out of the way by the bigger and more expensive buggies. But I didn't care. It was really nice of dh's aunt and it was perfect and very light weight.

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 18:57:10

Just looked it up Honey - seems like yes it was the wheel issues, I knew about those thankfully, not had any issues with the wheels - thankyou for answering.

I was having panics there about seat unit washers! smile

I think it was my fault, ds2 undid one side of the folding mech and it was at a bit of an angle, sorted that then 5 minutes later the seat fell down. Hopefully we'll get he hang of it blush

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 18:57:46

it is the 2009 one.

PoppyWearer Wed 08-May-13 19:01:10

We had that issue with the Bee (2011 model). Bugaboo had new wheels and washers out to us a few days after reporting it and it sorted the issue completely.

tethersend Wed 08-May-13 19:01:57

My first pram was a 1970s Silver Cross coach built pram.

People judged that, but I didn't care. Old ladies LOVED it.

HoneyDragon Wed 08-May-13 19:04:56

You should be fine Rooney. You'd have noticed significant issues by now. smile

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 19:08:03

oh Tethers, you've reminded me of our old LBC (London baby coach) which we had when ds1 was tiny. I used to fill it up with shopping and people peered in saying 'is there a baby in there?' and sure enough there was, under the crisp multipacks...

It was rubbish at steering though, I nearly lost him in a patch of waist high nettles once and stopped using it.

Snowflakepie Wed 08-May-13 19:08:06

At 7 months the buzz might be a bit unnecessary tbh. It is wide, heavy, very little carrying room, difficult to push and store. However it was one of the few travel systems that fitted in the boot of a mini as it can stand upright with the front wheel between the headrests, bizarrely. So I also have the Zapp and that is much better, has been my buggy of choice since DD was able to sit in it properly. It is a pain to take the seat off if you want to put a car seat on the top though. So it depends how you want to use it.

The new Zapp can be parent facing too I think. Go and have a look somewhere you can try them all out and then look online or secondhand if on a budget.

I only judge if the parent is clearly strutting or being obnoxious in some other way. A buggy is a buggy. I wouldn't be able to tell a bugaboo or I candy because I don't know what they look like, I only recognise my own buggy lol! Poor DC2 is clearly going to be hugely judged if he's still in a sleepsuit and I'm in my pjs on the preschool run... Do I care?

TiggerWearsATriteSmile Wed 08-May-13 19:08:18

I have a buzz. It's not good. It's too heavy and awkward and I never really used it after dd passed 1.

Look at the BJCM. the city mini really is brilliant if you're a footpaths and shopping centre buggy user.

If you want to go on walks get something with pneumatic tyres like the Out'n'about nipper.

The buzz is not good, I promise.

Pigsmummy Wed 08-May-13 19:10:56

I got a cheap german brand called Hauck, its a travel system, I have seen people sneer and I don't care. The money saved has been spent on a holiday etc

LeonieDeSainteVire Wed 08-May-13 19:13:18

I can't believe people really judge others on their choice of pushchair! Why? Who cares?

Personally I use a 15 year old Silver Cross Wayfarer and still love it along with a friend's hand me down Maclaren quest. Now I'm wondering if people make judgements about me based on those confused

I did judge a white pram I saw the other day - that won't stay clean will it!

Pidgy Wed 08-May-13 19:14:04

I wanted a quinny buzz but was too wide for our front door, so got a chameleon as was quite narrow. People judge that tho, and have had funny comments about how it's 'gotta be bugaboo, innit'.
I don't watch any of those reality shoes, which I'm guessing its from, so the dig was sort of lost on me!

RooneyMara Wed 08-May-13 19:14:15

Thanks, Honey x

Thank you all smile
Rooney- that pushchair is gorgeous!!

MsPickle Wed 08-May-13 19:29:11

Pigsmummy I had a Hauck infinity travel system with ds and it was fab. Second hand from a friend of my parents. Did ds then became the nanny share buggy and did him plus two others. We also had a Jane passed onto us which we keep at GPs as it's great off road, too big for the city although I could push two almost 3 year olds in it when I was 6 months pregnant, the seat was big enough for them to smooch in together!

Now I've an EBay bargain Oyster for dd (the chassis finally gave up on the Hauck and it's great).

But you know what I love about this thread? It's turned into a good old pram chat.

Do I judge people? Nah, there's better things to judge people on than their pram. Apart from the woman I saw (while I was totally sleep deprived deranged with ds and had to check to see if I'd put clothes on to leave the house) who I saw pushing her cherry red pram with matching change bag and who'd taken the trouble to find and buy a matching cherry red coat. She was a beautiful woman, blond, immaculate bob, shouted I'm Groomed with every pore but I did judge that level of attention to detail because I'm incapable of it.

The only other thing I judge is people with umbrella folds who park them on buses unfolded who could easily fold. That makes me snarl.

whoopwhoopbib Wed 08-May-13 19:30:10

I only judge when parents don't have the hood up or use a parasol on sunny days as I always feel that the child will end up sunburnt. Other than that I don't take much notice if the brand.

MsPickle Wed 08-May-13 19:30:16

(And I don't judge Quinny's but would say that a friend had one and it was unsteerable, she was forever crashing into people/getting stuck in potholes)

YouTheCat Wed 08-May-13 19:33:48

I only judge when people use the massive vile things on buses. If you're going to use public transport, get a cheap stroller.

Pigsmummy Wed 08-May-13 19:37:53

http://www.mothercare.com/Baby-Jogger-City-Mini-Stroller/449998,default,pd.html

This chappie?

MoominsYonisAreScary Wed 08-May-13 19:52:30

I have a britax Bsmart that we bought new but cheap from donnington Market as I always wanted a carrycot. I also have a cosatto yo that is good for the bus and a britax BDual because we now need a double.

Don't really care what people think

tethersend Wed 08-May-13 20:01:56

Rooney, that pram is fab- mine's not as lovely but on seeing the prices, I'm going to put mine on eBay!

No more 23-point-turns grin

MamaBear17 Wed 08-May-13 20:10:36

I have two pushchairs - the travel system we bought before she was born and a mamas and papas lightweight pushchair we bought when hubby went away on a stag weekend with the travel system in the boot of his car. No one has ever made a comment on either pushchair. You shouldn't care what people think as long as your baby is comfy and safe.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Wed 08-May-13 20:11:18

Sparklingbrook Wed 08-May-13 18:50:52
Cocoon? Bee?

The Bugaboo Bee has a cocoon instead of a carrycot. Which is great for space saving when they grow out of it. We lived in a two bedroom flat when we had DS and didn't have much storage.

We haven't had any problems with our Bee, we bought ours just after they'd resolved the wheel problem. I'm particularly liking the Neon Pop Bee. But I can't have two!

fedupofnamechanging Wed 08-May-13 20:22:16

Leonie, I had a wayfarer with ds1 (now 16!) best pram I ever had and I've had bloody millions (4 dc, love shopping).

The BJCM was also brilliant,especially for an older baby, because the seat was so big and comfy - sometimes older babies look really squashed in buggies which are bulky, but have tiny seats.

Sparklingbrook Wed 08-May-13 20:35:53

Thanks Pobble. I feel like such an old gimmer. DS2 is 11 so very out of touch with new fangled baby stuff. grin

Zookiemay Wed 08-May-13 20:49:05

I have to stick up for the Quinny Buzz.
I love it! My 3 year old is happy in it and so is my 1 year old. It's great across field and lots of long walks. So easy to push and does come with 2 seats for smaller and larger children. Having said that, I did have the carrycot that went with it as like many others the grandparents bought it and wanted a 'proper' pram.
I don't like the idea that people judge others on their prams though - I chose mine because it suited me the most and I just assume that is what everyone else does hmm

thermalsinapril Wed 08-May-13 20:52:57

If I was surrounded by people who knew or cared what the most "fashionable" pushchair was, I'd move immediately grin

Just get whichever one you like! smile

MiaowTheCat Wed 08-May-13 20:54:50

Round here at least we DO seem to have a hardcore bunch of buggyjudgers...

I had a Hauck originally - got some shitty as hell looks from people. Various things on it bugged me (mainly I wanted parent facing) and so I went and picked up a second-hand cheap as chips iCandy... the difference in how a certain element looked at you and reacted to you was quite interesting to see. My mum's commented on it as well when we'd popped out somewhere (back in the days of only having DD1) and used the cheapo stroller we kept in the car to pop into a shop - the filthy looks she was getting (since she'd insisted SHE got to push) because of the buggy DD1 was in.

Course now I've got a double I'm the source of all evil anyway.

I look at what prams people have - just to look at them, particularly doubles in my new eternal pursuit of one that doesn't drive me round the twist. Not judging - just an "oooh that's a nice colour for that one" type of thing. The negative thoughts are only ever of the "ooh you'll never get any shopping in THAT size basket" variety. (Loved my iCandy - you could have fitted a small country in that shopping basket).

Mind you - god knows what people think of me with every storage option possible to overload a knackered Phil and Teds with attached to it.

I have a Britax B Smart 3 and get unreasonably excited when I see another one out and about grin

ananikifo Wed 08-May-13 20:58:48

I wouldn't judge a pushchair. It's really mean and harsh because most of the time you're judging them for spending less money. I'm really glad I don't know people who do that irl.

I went to Mamas and Papas and looked at the bugaboo bee because I read on the Internet how great it is. I could only afford it used. In person I though the baby rode very low (and far from me!) and it generally seemed flimsier than some others. I ended up buying a new pram that I like better for the cost of a used bee. That taught me not to let the hype and snobbiness affect me.

Everyone should get what they like and what they can afford.

Sparklesandglitter Wed 08-May-13 21:07:10

I love my bugaboo and it cost less than £100 on eBay but don't tell anybody! wink

MoominsYonisAreScary Wed 08-May-13 21:15:00

commander me too, dont see them about vert often though and do broke the adaptors on the seat sad

pantsjustpants Wed 08-May-13 21:15:24

My dc's are aged 24, 21, 6 & 16mths so I've had all sorts of prams. My favourite was the big Silver Cross I had for dc2. A big proper pram, I used to pop dc1 in the end when his legs got tired, plus masses of shopping underneath.

Now I have a 2nd hand Bugaboo Cam which I adore, its fabulous to push. But now I'm back at work it's wasted sat in the kitchen most of the time plus I have a Maclaren Techno in the car that I use now. Need to sell the Cam but just haven't been able to yet sad.

I don't judge prams, I judge parents who don't wrap their baby up when it's freezing or have the hood up or a parasol when it's hot.

Sparkles- I've was looking but prices seems to have gone mad since 'Kate' got one wink

MoominsYonisAreScary Wed 08-May-13 21:16:37

*very and *dp bloody predictive text.

Gilberte Wed 08-May-13 21:31:29

I don't use pushchairs for first 8 months and after that I've only really had second hand macclarens. I don't drive and I use them until the wheels have worn away. They last ages are light and easy to fold. They don't take up much space on public transport. They recline (my toddlers always napped in them). What's not to like.

I've never been able to work the brakes on them though!

Pigsmummy Wed 08-May-13 21:35:57

Sorry I meant to add that I love my Hauck travel system

Badvoc Wed 08-May-13 21:40:19

Honestly?
I never notice.
I tend to concentrate on the baby or child in the pram!

ItsallisnowaFeegle Wed 08-May-13 21:51:20

I agree that you shouldn't give a shit, if that's what you want.

I got 22 week old DS' travel system 2nd hand for £55 delivered from eBay.

I have friends who've spent up to £1000 on their's and my DS' pram works just as bloody well theirs are so much more attractive but fuck that

letsgetreadytoramble Wed 08-May-13 21:53:11

I have the new Quinny Zapp (can also be parent facing) and it was around £250 - on what planet is that considered cheap?! Thought I was getting a v fancy one, all my dreams of yummy-mummy-Dom are now blown to shreds. God knows what 'they' would have thought of my old banger of a Graco.

Anyway, Zapp is v lightweight and folds away to a tiny tripod, but whoever said up-thread that the baby's legs end up in the air when it's fully reclined is correct. Also, I now need to get yet another buggy for the bus because this one folds into two pieces. Doh. I do love it though and my small person seems very comfortable in it.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Wed 08-May-13 22:01:37

Actually I really don't like the Stokke Xplory, it looks ridiculous. Like a highchair on wheels.

FunnysInLaJardin Wed 08-May-13 22:33:25

hmmph well I loved my Quinny Buzz for both DC and the Quinny Zapp was great for when they were a bit older <takes umbridge> Anyhoo I don't care now as my DC are both old enough to walk.

<huff>

FunnysInLaJardin Wed 08-May-13 22:35:00

mind you I do have a nice new Audi so that makes me feel a bit better

<until someone tells me that is chavtastic too sad>

Devora Wed 08-May-13 22:37:09

I've had two kids in (cheap) pushchairs and have never heard anybody comment on anybody's buggy. I honestly can't imagine that anyone cares.

raffle Wed 08-May-13 22:44:05

I couldn't pick out any of the buggys you lot are going on about!

I have NO IDEA what a bugaboo or a quinny looks like, and I am a mum of two under five year olds blush

I have a lovely blue travel system from Argos which was in the sale 5 years ago, I cannot actually recall what brand it is despite carting the new baby about in it all day today!

Prams and pushchairs just don't interest me, so I sure as hell wouldn't be looking at other folk and judging them on the coolness of their pushchairs! Yawn yawn yawn.

Happiestinwellybobs Wed 08-May-13 22:46:07

I don't get the whole pushchair snobbery thing. I have a Quinny Buzz in black. I got it as it was on offer, wheeled round ToysRUs really well, can push one handed whilst walking fat dog and it wouldn't show up muck from fat dog

I'm not a chav and the Buzz is not cheap or nasty. Get what you want OP

quesadilla Wed 08-May-13 22:49:36

Life's just too short to worry about shit like this.

ArtemisKelda Wed 08-May-13 22:56:07

I'm still using DS's old Graco travel system for DD. DS is nearly 7 grin. Also have a 2nd hand Maclaren umbrella fold for when she's a bit bigger.

I have no clue about the cost of other prams and buggies and couldn't give a shiny shite what anyone else uses.

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 08-May-13 22:59:06

When I joined MN I saw there was an actual buggy topic.
I've never clicked onto it because I got though my life with a small child without thinking it was actually an issue.
But OP, as you seem to have drifted onto AIBU, well yes you are, it's a pushchair for fucks sake.
HTH.

BeingAWifeIsNotForMe Wed 08-May-13 23:00:47

I have a tank of a pram, that even the most ardent non judgers would dislike grin

It copes with deep dry sand (spent a lot of time on the beach) has huge wheels that cope with claggy mud.

It would be ridiculous on public transport, you have to take the seat off to fold it and there is no catch to keep the chassis folded, but Dd is now 3 and can still lay outstretched without dangling off the edge. and it makes cracking windbreak

IneedAsockamnesty Wed 08-May-13 23:04:40

I don't even notice what buggy people have they are not important,get what ever you like and can afford and be done with it.

I personally buy an obscene amount of £70 brightly coloured none well known brand buggies because they are suitable from newborn and come with cosy toes and rain covers,and I use each one perhaps once or twice and then give them to clients with baby's or children who need them after fleeing DV and pretend they are proper donations from members of the public,I'm pretty sure my admin assistant is on to me tho but I don't care.

Oldandcobwebby Wed 08-May-13 23:05:24

I love my Buzz 3. Ninety two quid on eBay, complete with all accessories. Different folks - different strokes. There aren't enough hours in the day to be bothered judging people for their choice of perambulator.

youmaycallmeSSP Wed 08-May-13 23:07:35

I would judge you for having this pram. Apart from that, I don't really care.

I love to look at peoples buggies but I don't judge in the same way i like to look at cars even though i can't drive grin

I started out with the ugliest Graco travel system, then wanted parent facing so got the Loola Up shite buggy, I then had a second hand maclaren for 1 day and I broke the brake so i got a mamas and papas umbrella fold eventually the wheel fell off.

I now have a petite star zia x I LOVE IT and a Maclaren Major SN buggy I hate it My dd is nearly 4.5 so I'll need to get over my hatred for the Maclaren soon but I would recommend the Zia X to anyone grin

WafflyVersatile Wed 08-May-13 23:42:39

Next time someone has a go tell them you chose it because it came with a free vibrator and foxtail butt plug.

That'll learn 'em.

WafflyVersatile Wed 08-May-13 23:44:07

SSP I would applaud anyone who walked that pram down the street.

Bogeyface Wed 08-May-13 23:50:06

I would, but in a sympathetic way because before DD insisted on walking everywhere (sob!) I was pushing a British Racing Green 1960's vintage coach built Silver Cross, so in a pram off, I always won grin

Bogeyface Wed 08-May-13 23:52:46

Oh and it cost me a fraction of the cost of a Bugaboo or similar, so I win on that too. My environmental credentials thanks to reusing an old one are also up there!

Shame I feed the poor kid Greggs and Fruit Shoots really.....grin

IneedAyoniNickname Wed 08-May-13 23:59:26

I was pg with ds2, at the same time as sil was pg with her ds1.

I decided on a silver cross sleepover, which perfectly suits my needs. I don't drive and rarely use public transport so small and easy to fold wasn't an issue. It had a big basket for shopping, which as a non driver I needed to carry home.

Sil had picked a loola, which suited her needs. She had a tiny tiny boot when all 7 seats on her cat were up, so needed something that folded easily and small. Plus she didn't need space for shopping as she only ever carried it as far as the car.

Mil kept nagging about how the loola was sooooooo much better, and why didnt I get one. angry

When the dc were born, imo my ds looked far more comfy in his pram, than dn did in the pushchair (she didn't get the carrycot). I also didnt like the feel of the fabric of the loola, and didn't like pushing it either. Sil however, probably preferred hers, and wouldnt admit it if she didn't!

ssp my friend was planning on that pram, although in a plainer colour, without the zebra print trim.

domesticslattern Wed 08-May-13 23:59:47

dontmindifido
Have a look at the Petite Star bubble- a newish umbrella fold which can be parent facing, also you can buy a carry cot for it.
The footprint is the same as my Mclaren, easy one handed fold and it is very nippy for public transport. The only time I judge is when I can't get on the bus because of enormoprams and I think, if you silly people had bought a pram with a narrower wheel base or that you knew how to fold, I wouldn't be late for work this morning.

BennettsBiscuit Thu 09-May-13 01:54:12

sockreturningpixie that is lovely! We are hoping to give our buggy to the local womens refuge when we're done with it.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Thu 09-May-13 02:45:01

I never judge people on their pushchairs, because surely people choose a pram based on what fits their life (or car boot) the best?!

After going through 4 DC's, 15 years, and 30+ pushchairs, I know that the BJCM suits me best. (Wish I had found that out years ago, but never mind...).

If a Quinny suits your family the best, what does it matter what other people think?

This time round, with DS3, all I considered when looking for a pushchair was 1) Could it fit a very tall 2/3yo in, 2) Does it have an enormous basket, and 3) Does it fold down small and easily. Anything after that was immaterial!

The BJCM fitted those specs, so that's what I've got.

And I'm a pram-aholic...

Twattybollocks Thu 09-May-13 07:01:01

I don't judge what pushchair people have, but I do judge grubby food smeared pushchairs I'm afraid, it's just scruffy.
Do think twice about the buzz, you could get a second hand bugaboo frog which looks the same as the cameleon for the same money. The buzz looks lovely, but the back wheels are very wide, the seat isn't very big, the hood is too small to offer decent shade in the summer, the basket is very small and it's huge and heavy if you fold it with the seat on (actually its still pretty heavy if you fold it without the seat on and still very wide unless you take the wheels off) lastly its hard to steer with an older baby/toddler in it

RooneyMara Thu 09-May-13 07:36:27

Tethers - I actually prefer yours!! I was shocked at the prices too - ours came from someone's council garage in an old mining village that's renowned for being quite dangerous after dark.

It was in lovely condition. I left it in the garden unfortunately and the rain got in, so the finish went all funny - they're made of wood - and eventually sold it on for about £40 to someone who restores prams.

I'm sure they made a packet on it but I still just feel sad for spoiling such a nice thing. I did feel a bit daft using it though, I have to admit - I don't like being stared at! That was partly why I stopped but it was fairly hard to operate, very high centre of gravity which you don't want with a baby in there.

Leonie, I would not 'judge' exactly with the wayfarer but it was one of the first prams I ever bought, from a charity shop, and I think there was something wrong with mine because it kept slipping and going flat when I wanted it sitting up! luckily it was only a fiver. So I'd think 'Oh goodness why are you putting up with that thing!'

But if other people find them good then mine must have been duff.

RooneyMara Thu 09-May-13 07:37:25

Couthy I see your 30+ and raise you 70 blush

<My name is Rooney and I have a pram problem>

Londonseye Thu 09-May-13 07:50:15

OP I had a stokke for ds and then bought a new one for DD. people thought I was bonkers and I didn't care. But we travelled a lot and needed boot space so ended up with a Quinny zapp. Great buggy. I don't judge any pram or pushchair I see.

I don't care what other people have, off the top of my head I'm not even sure what a Bugaboo looks like.

I had a Quinny though, and initially loved it - so light, so easy to push... Until I took it on a bit of a trek.

I got blisters from the handles, back ache because it was too low (didn't feel it in the shop) and my wrists ached because the handles are at funny angles. All in all I was in so much discomfort that I immediately sold it and bought a Maclaren - which is a dream to push, fold, everything. I love it, and I got it for £152 by searching through Kelkoo then got another £8 back by ordering via Topcashback.

TiredyCustards Thu 09-May-13 08:02:49

I don't care at all.

Although I have recently seen how much some buggies sell for (£800-£1000) and was shock and confused that people spend that much.

MiaowTheCat Thu 09-May-13 08:59:45

My brother's still shocked now by his brief tour into the Mothercare pushchair bit and the prices (he happened to be with me and I needed something, and he got sidetracked).

He'd only seen something like a basic middle of the range branded buggy and was dying with shock - I took him past the bugaboo donkey after that to make him MORE shocked!

Weegiemum Thu 09-May-13 09:01:08

This is very weird - judging on buggies brands? Colours? assumed chavviness? ive never come across this (and im rather relieved!). My dc are now 13, 11, 9. We bought a from birth recliner buggy umbrella fold Maclaren from mothercare for £60. Spent more on the backpack!

Did 3 dc then we got a Major for dd2 till she was almost 7. It came free from the hospital physios, though.

I judge when someone with a buggy won't give priority to a wheelchair. When someone with a massive buggy refused to move so I had to fold the Major with a 6 year old under my arm who was banned from weight bearing but the only seats were at the back of the bus. And now, when people tut and roll their eyes when they can't get a huge buggy into a lift (ooh! They'll have to wait 3 minutes for the next one!!) because I'm in front of them IN MY WHEELCHAIR!

Personally I had better things to spend my money on than a buggy. But I only judge behaviour. And there certainly seems to be a "my big buggy is more important than you" attitude amongst some people!

Rooney- how many do you have?! wink

Okay okay- right I'm going to try a quinny and look at it today with DD. I'm pretty sure it's going to be a + on the one we have for our needs but how do I get out of purchasing if I don't like, second hand you see?
And I'm such a yes person!

jacks365 Thu 09-May-13 09:11:25

Weegiemum some people are appalling. I fold or get off if a wheelchair needs the space, they have priority full stop. only happened about 4 times so far. I am sick though of not being able to get out of lifts because of all the pushchairs at the doors.

oscarwilde Thu 09-May-13 09:21:24

I'll only judge you if its bright Barbie
pink or Burberry check styleee grin
Or if you fit twin exhausts and stuck a ghettoblaster in the changing bag...
Wtf is wrong with a Quinny? Bit heavy I thought (bad back) but its a sodding pram.

RooneyMara Thu 09-May-13 09:21:33

Oh good luck...go along, try it out, say you like it but will think about it/ have to measure the boot of your car.

Then ring/email later to say it won't fit.

scarletsalt Thu 09-May-13 09:24:28

I am usually hmm at the posters who clamber on to every thread to be the first to declare that they don't give a shot about what other people do blah blah, because anyone who says they Never Judge is not telling the truth.

However, people judging pushchair is just weird. I will admit that after 28 years of not noticing pushchair at all, I developed an interest in different brands/styles of pushchair when I was pregnant. But judging a person on their choice of pushchair?

We got given a second-hand bugaboo for free and while it is quite a good buggy, it has been well and truly overtaken by a 50 quid zeta vooom. I know people who spent over a grand on a bugaboo complete with liner, footmuff, parasol etc only to get an umbrella fold (McLaren techno xt of course!) When the baby was 6 months old!

Weegiemum Thu 09-May-13 09:28:09

Jacks that really bugs me too. Or the people who try to get in front by pushing by the side of me.

I don't always use a chair, sometimes I'm on sticks, and occasionally (!) I walk unaided. I've been knocked to the ground 3 times this year (my balance is very compromised due to disability) and 2 of those times it was a monster buggy barging past me into the lift.

You can get my wheelchair and 2 umbrella type buggies into a lift at our local shopping centre. You can't even get one of the monster ones in beside me!

pleasestoptalking Thu 09-May-13 09:29:59

Stop caring what people think. I certainly couldn't care less what other buggies people use.

Although saying that, I've got a double buggy which I'm a bit too attached to and do an excited wave at people when I see they have the same buggy and gush about how brilliant it is. I think I may still hold onto it when my kids have left home to push the cats about in.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 09-May-13 09:44:16

So no one cares about pushchairs on this thread, unless you spend a lot of money on your pram, in which case it's ok to be all judgey. Hypocritical much?

We got a Bugaboo Bee because it suits our needs perfectly, not because of the name. Oh, and on eBay they are selling for £300+ second hand so they hold their value.

pictish Thu 09-May-13 09:50:16

I'm not interested in how much a pram cost...I'm just saying they all look the same, apart from the Bugaboos which I think look naff...(sorry).
You're paying for the looks.

MiaowTheCat Thu 09-May-13 09:51:47

I've got to go out with the bright pink buggy of shame later on today (was the first lie-flat side by side suitable for two girls - instead of the Sis and Bro ones - that came up on Gumtree) cos I can't be arsed to lift the P+T into the car on my own. It's pink and I dislike that immensely - it also has one of the really twee slogans on - but since I'm going about a quarter of a mile into the doctors with it - I can suffer... even though I keep toying with swapping it for the double that lives at my mums which is a more tasteful green - but this one's more sturdy for more than visiting grandparents use.

Waiting for the snarly faces!

Yep sadly all my recent buggies have been "monsters" - just by the nature of doubles being bigger than singles unfortunately but I'm incredibly considerate pushing them - I inch painfully around corners so as to not fly around and poleaxe people coming the opposite way, and I keep right to one side of the path to free up as much space as possible... not much more I can do when I've got to transport two non-walking kids really. Get some nasty looks having a big buggy from people. Having had some awful run ins (literally) with buggy steamroller women back when I was riddled with SPD and on crutches I'm very conscious that some DO push them somewhat, shall we say, assertively and try my damnedest to ensure I don't.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 09-May-13 09:52:43

Actually I didn't pay for it at all, my ILs did.

pictish Thu 09-May-13 09:54:10

God...I had a shudder of horror the other day when I remembered our double buggy. Like pushing a rhino around it was.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 09-May-13 09:55:48

I don't know what I'll choose as a double buggy, I hate those Phil and Ted monsters. People block an entire bus with them.

PoppyAmex Thu 09-May-13 09:58:28

I love this thought process where people claim it's nuts to judge someone by their possessions and then enter thrifty competitions (my buggy was 2 pounds! Ha but I carry my baby in an asda bag for life)

And then proceed to JUDGE people who have expensive prams! The irony grin

I have an all black limited edition bugaboo because I love it, it suits our needs and fits comfortably in my car.

On the other hand I couldn't tell you what prams other people are using if you pointed a gun to my head, because I don't care.

We have a Quinny Buzz 3 & I've never considered if they look chavvy or not, a buggy's a buggy surely?

pictish Thu 09-May-13 09:59:23

I had a MacLaren twin techno. A side by side one that fitted through standard doorways...so much easier on the bus and shops than the Phil and Teds type or the convoy style with one in front of the other.

pictish Thu 09-May-13 10:04:24

It was this one

Not particularly exciting, but it was small and light (compared...all doublers are cumbersome bastards) and I only paid £200 for it at the Glasgow Pram Centre.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 09-May-13 10:07:49

PoppyAmex my point exactly! Does it matter if people want to spend a lot on a pram? If you can afford it, who cares?

We played with a lot of prams before deciding on our Bug Bee. It's a great city pram, I walk everywhere. And I love that it's rear and parent facing, lightweight and if I want to put it in the car it just folds down. None of this taking half of it apart to get it in the boot like with so many other prams.

We liked the all black version too but it would have been cheeky asking the ILs to splash out even more!

I have a Maclaren Quest too, for holidays and the like. It's great but my Bug is so much easier to push.

LeonieDeSainteVire Thu 09-May-13 10:10:27

RooneyMara I promise my wayfarer still works properly smile unlike the stupid BJCM which has lost its front wheels

scarletsalt Thu 09-May-13 10:23:36

Pobble and poppy I think you are right actually, which means I do in fact judge when it comes to pushchairs!

I can add it to my long (although considerably shorter than before I had kids!) list of things that I get judgy about grin

Bogeyface Thu 09-May-13 10:49:38

worth having another baby for!

This isnt actually mine, but the closest picture I could find. Its my pride and joy smile

Fakebook Thu 09-May-13 10:58:43

Interesting thread. I have an old scruffy Graco Quattro tour deluxe travel system from 2007 when dd was born. They were all the rage then. It's dirty and doesn't clean well and I'm always conscious about people judging me for putting my 1 year old in such an old pushchair.

I need to buy a double buggy for ds and the new baby and am looking at O baby or phil and teds ones. I don't give a shit if they're classed as chavvy or whatever, I choose things for practicality. If the Quinny is practical for you then just buy it.

Do people really care? Honestly?! I have never given it a second thought. My eyes see a pink buggy and my brains going "Shall I make fajitas as they are easier but really I prefer enchilladas and lets be honest its fajitas bunged in the oven but with sauce and cheese..."

jacks365 Thu 09-May-13 11:07:24

Bogey i have a similar one sat in the corner of my dining room. I can fit a weeks shopping for 5 in the basket even had a great big sack of potatoes once. It pushes a dream and cope with our hills brilliantly. Parting with it now she's too big is going to be hard.

I'm selling a Quinny Buzz 3 in Iron for £60, I think you should shop around and look at FB selling pages.

I'm a bit of an addict so I don't judge (but am probably judged!).

everlong Thu 09-May-13 11:16:57

Who?

Who is ' the world and his wife ' ?

Bogeyface Thu 09-May-13 11:21:38

I am keeping mine Jack and fully intend to be that PITA grandma who insists on using it when I babysit instead of the "new fangled" pushchair my DD's will have spent a fortune on grin

RooneyMara Thu 09-May-13 12:08:16

'You're paying for the looks.' In some cases yes.

In others you're paying for a product that makes your day to day life less difficult. Some pushchairs are seriously badly designed - rubbish weight distribution, fabrics that stain and aren't washable, and fade - wheels that come off and so on.

When I had my cosatto I spent the first few months trying to sell it as I felt so guilty at pending just over £200. Then as no one bought it, I started using it properly - and it was amazing.

The stuff I could carry in it, honestly - the fact ds1 was seriously wild and would climb up on it, regularly, and it never tipped - he could even stand on the back bit of the basket instead of sitting in it - and it was just super. It lasted about 4 years and in the end went to the tip as the roof fabric had gone in the middle.

I've got another one like it now, which is 10 years old but wasn't used as much as mine - I still love it.

PoppyAmex Thu 09-May-13 12:30:41

"You're paying for the looks."
"Bugabbos are naff"
"Bugaboos are wanky"

Dude, it never cesses to amaze me how much people seem to care how I spend my hard earned money.

I wouldn't dream of making a value judgement based on anyone's home or car let alone a bloody pushchair (mostly because I don't give a shit). Why do you? Is there something missing in these people's lives?

So it's acceptable to mock an expensive purchase? It would be funny, if it wasn't so hypocritical.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 09-May-13 12:34:15

Precisely. We aren't judgemental, unless your pushchair is expensive.

I bought my Bee as it suited us, nothing to do with the name or how it l

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 09-May-13 12:34:26

*looks.

OhHullitsOnlyMeYoni Thu 09-May-13 12:37:49

To be honest half of the people around here with Bugaboos and ICandy prams are from the estates anyway, so it is really silly to assume that because you have an expensive buggy no one 'chavvy' will have it. Look at Burberry!
Get what you want and sod everyone else.

CrabbyBigbottom Thu 09-May-13 12:40:54

Yes I'm incredibly judgy...

Every time I see someone pushing a Bugaboo I think
"Why on earth did you buy such an expensive and impractical piece of kit just because they're fashionable?"

And yes YABU to give a shit what anyone else thinks. wink

Thinking about it I do notice other people's prams/pushchairs/slings but only in a 'never seen one of those/that sort seems popular/I like that colour' sort of way. I've never judged anyone and I haven't noticed anyone giving me nasty looks either. I've had nice comments though, especially as the Britax carrycot is comparatively enormous (suitable to 9kgs) and DD was in it for ages until she could sit up. People often commented on that in a 'I do like prams' manner.

The Bugaboo family wouldn't really work for me but I think the Donkey with the convertible shopping basket doodad is a feat of genius.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 09-May-13 12:46:32

My Bug Bee is very practical, which is why I bought it. But then I guess I could have bought something cheaper, bigger, bulky and impractical. With wheels that you have to take off just to get it in the car.

When I see parents getting their pushchair out the car and start putting it together, I smile as I quickly put up my Bee with one click.

grin

I am loving this thread smile it was a good one to start I guess.
Have been looking on eBay at the amount quinny buzz's go for and it seems to vary a huge amount.
What would be a reasonable amount for one? This one is pristine, with the accessories such as parasol, footnuff, carry cot, drink holder and wheel covnveter.
Just incase DD and I are impressed wink

catgirl1976 Thu 09-May-13 12:56:46

Oh........I have a Quinny Zapp (the little Buzz)

I didn't know I was chavvy smile

It's been a great little pushchair for us. No complaints.

No one has pelted me with eggs and rotten veg either, nor have I been refused entry to any toddler play establishments.

I think you'll be fine smile

LeonieDeSainteVire Thu 09-May-13 13:10:48

Bogey I wanted one of those coach built prams soooo much, I would have had one but we lived in a tiny terrace so I literally couldn't have brought it into the house! I still feel envy every time I see one out and about.

So I do notice prams/pushchairs but I don't judge people on them smile

TwitchyTail Thu 09-May-13 13:12:55

I wanted a Bugaboo Bee when pregnant, because I'm a short weakling with no coordination, and the Bee is tiny and light.

Was too embarrassed to buy it because of inverse snobbery.

Bought something else, hated it, sold it and bought a Bee in the space of 10 weeks.

Cost of inverse snobbery = £50 loss, several weeks of hand-wringing, lots of hassle, DH now referring to me as Pram Hun hmm

Buy what you like and enjoy it. It's just a pram, not a moral statement. No one really gives a toss and rightly so.

TwitchyTail Thu 09-May-13 13:16:50

Have just realised this is a whole thread about people who do give a toss. The things you learn on mumsnet grin

PoppyAmex Thu 09-May-13 13:50:46

"Why on earth did you buy such an expensive and impractical piece of kit just because they're fashionable?"

Bugaboos are extremely well crafted, spin and take corners with as little as one finger guidance, have all terrain wheels so we can use it on the beach and on the countryside where I live, are workhorses and wash well.

Mostly, because I wanted it, can afford it and apparently it annoys people like you who believe they can judge my motives and character without even knowing me "just because they're fashionable" <snort>.

Advantages all around grin

I think the Donkey is also the only double that can as a rule fit through a standard UK doorway?

The frogs are normally about £110-£130 second hand as well so they aren't as expensive if you buy second hand.

CrabbyBigbottom Thu 09-May-13 14:02:02

Really poppy? because what prompted my mental question (too polite to say it to them, obviously), was friends coming on a country walk with us and their bugaboo was bloody hopeless. After that I thought they were a bit pointless. I had a mountain buggy years ago (prob just as fashionable at one point, don't think it was when I bought it) and it could cope with any terrain.

Anyhow, I was being a bit flippant to make the op feel better about her buggy preference. I'm not really judging your motives and choices - couldn't give a toss tbh. smile (not a passive aggressive smiley, btw)

MiaowTheCat Thu 09-May-13 14:05:33

And as predicted I got a right shirty look from some woman coming out of baby clinic as I was going in with the pink double buggy of shame... look at the buggy and sneer - it's hilarious to compare reactions depending on what I'm using.

PoppyAmex Thu 09-May-13 14:06:28

Really, Crabby.

That's good though, that way we can both not give a toss, which is the main point I feel. smile

RooneyMara Thu 09-May-13 14:19:26

Tbh the Bugaboo has grown on me. (not the bee - that is still in its probationary period!) but the Frog is fairly sturdy.

I hate the little front wheels (the Buffalo looks like it might solve that) because they make it tip sometimes when going down a kerb - but all round it's a good pram.

I still have an old MB and it's superb - much better in terms of user friendliness and strength than the Bug will ever be, but then the MB wasn't marketed as a trendy, looks-based product till fairly recently.

It's horses for courses but it does make me a bit sad when people seem to think they are stuck with something hopeless, uncomfortable and hard work to push when there are so many works of genius out there smile

MummyPig24 Thu 09-May-13 14:20:38

Jeez why would anyone care what buggy someone else has? Some may not be my choice but its not me who is using it so I don't really care.

Just sold our BJCM and using our mac quest which I don't like much but dd shouldn't be using it much anyway.

I've got my eye on a bugaboo cam for the next baby, not because of the name, because it has a nice big seat, a good sized carrycot and is easy to push. I like the look of the iCandy Peach but the seat is small and the chrome would drive me crazy if it scratched!

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 09-May-13 14:26:02

I was looking at the Buffalo online, although I don't think it's available in the uk yet.

I don't find my Bee is good off road, but then it's not meant to be. I live in a city and so I've bought a city pram, it does me fine.

Even though I love my Bee I still like looking at prams.

Surely you buy what works best for you. And if that involves spending £1000 on an iCandy then who cares?

scarletsalt Thu 09-May-13 14:32:47

Oooh I did not know that there was a new bugaboo out! Just has a look, it has nice big front wheels which is good - on the cam the small front wheels are useless in the mud as they keep getting stuck, but if you turn it around so the Bing wheels are at the front it's really hArd to steer. And a real bonus that you can fold it with the seat on as that is a pain with the cam as well. Looks like a great pram.,

And a mere snip at £859 grin

EasilyBored Thu 09-May-13 14:32:57

I love prams/pushchairs. I'm shallow, but I just love all the gadgets and different style etc. I'm not judgy, just interesting in why people chose the one they did. We have an Oyster, which I really like, and we bough because it suits us and planned for it to last until DS doesn't need it anymore, but more and more I'm swayed towards trading it in for an umbrella fold maclaren type. But then I change my mind because I love mine. I might just get a new colour pack for it and spruce it up a bit instead.

If I had another baby (haha!) later, I would probably go with something like the mountain buggy or a Phil n Teds because it would be good to have something that's a bit better off road/in the mud. But I would also probably not use a pram for a newborn as much as I did this time, and would just use a wrap/sling as much as possible as I did get a bit fed up pushing the pram around.

I do get pangs of 'oooh lovely' for the original coach built silver cross prams, but my friend reliably informs me that her (proper vintage one from when she was little) weighs a tonne and has given her really toned arms from lugging it around. Plus, good luck getting that through our front door. But still, they are lovely.

forevergreek Thu 09-May-13 14:43:00

The bugaboo and iCandy are pretty much the only carrycot prams suitable for overnight sleeping.

So although expensive you do save on buying a travel cot for little ones or a Moses basket. And space!

Our all black bugaboo was £850 4 years ago including car seat. We sold carseat a year later for £60 to a friend, then the pram sold last month on eBay for £710. So made £770 back, so actually only lost £80 after 4 years use with x2 children. Was one and only pram we had And like I said we used as small babies instead of Moses basket

I don't think £80 is bad for a pram, and sleeping place, that has travelled across the world with us, never broke, and still looks as new

TwitchyTail Thu 09-May-13 14:45:57

I might judge a tiny bit if you tried to get this on my bus on a wet day.

Maclaren are also thought of to be chavvy, and cheap, so I've heard.

But around the time when DS, now 3, the Maclaren Techno was the only buggy getting rave reviews. There didn't seem to be as many trendy travel systems on the market back then. We got a great deal on a Maclaren, and it's still alive and kicking now, it's never failed us - sturdy, convenient, folds up nicely, really light (and I like the look of it). We bought a carrycot for it so it was comfy from birth.

We can't find a pram we like for this baby, so will be buying another Maclaren Techno. Really couldn't care less about what people think of it. Does it bloody matter? I'd favour useability over looks any day, thankfully I didn't have to learn the hard way like my friend, who bought the biggest, heaviest, most fashionable buggy she could find and finds it an absolute pain in the arse. She wishes she'd bought a simple buggy and saved her money.

Hmmm, my DD is in DS old crappy stroller! she had a silver cross one when new born, but it was a bastard, and I was glad to get shot.

Sure some people think...she needs a new buggy, but not one fuck do I give smile

FreudiansSlipper Thu 09-May-13 15:00:22

i have only seen judgements passed on buggies on here

really who cares, unless others are giving advice and you are taking it the wrong way

AmberSocks Thu 09-May-13 15:14:25

I like buying pushchairs but now being on baby number 5 i am sick of them!ive always used mine every day so its made sense to go for one the better quality ones,which arent always the most expensive.

but no,i dont care what pushchair others use,dont think i even notice unless its particularly nice,i might say oh i like your pushchair wheres that from or something.

sweetestcup Thu 09-May-13 15:16:26

ssp good god, thats like the Pauls Boutique of the pram world!

EasilyBored Thu 09-May-13 15:34:10

I know people talk about them being a lot of money, but if you have the money to spend, I don't think it's that much to spend £500 or £600 on a pram - I mean you could potentially be using it every day for the next 3 years (or more if you have more than one child). That's quite good value in terms of price-per-push. If you have to use something every day, you might as well like it!

EasilyBored Thu 09-May-13 15:34:49

twitchy I would put money on the new royal baby being pushed in one of those at some point!

SquirrelNuts Thu 09-May-13 15:34:49

I've got a quinny buzz is it really considered chavvy? sad it cost what I consider a lot of money! I love my buzz its so easy to push with 1 hand and put up and down

TalkUsernameYoudLike Thu 09-May-13 15:43:18

I don't give a toss about pushchairs/prams/whatever. I really don't understand some peoples need of having the most expensive, fashionable one.

I have an old model of a Silver Cross and it was free, used just once and DS loves it so it's perfect.

Sure, it's a boring dark grey/blue colour and is REALLY bulky, but it does the job and saved us a ton of money smile

I also have a quinny buzz 3 and I'm dead middle class me, my dd eats hummus and olives and feta and everything. It cost what I thought was a lot of money but as DD is now 3.4 and it's the only buggy we had I think it was great value. It turns like a London taxi too. And she slept in the carry cot when he was tiny too. I couldn't give a monkeys if people think its chavvy- just show the chavs have sense. grin

chillinwithmyyonis Thu 09-May-13 15:45:32

I've got a Bugaboo Gecko which they don't make anymore, buts its far from impractical, I've used it through 2 children and practically everyday for the last 5 years. The only thing I've had to do is replace a punctured wheel at zero cost to myself. But going to the OP's point, no I don't care about other peoples pushchair, if its comfortable for you and your dc, go for it.

Update- dd is sleeping in our new red quinny in the hallway.
It's practical, light, the only handle bar I could find tall enough for me, the accesories are great! I can walk the dog and one handed push!

Makes my Zezu look like a tank.
Sleeping dd looks soooo cosy too grin

PoppyAmex Thu 09-May-13 16:08:27

"twitchy I would put money on the new royal baby being pushed in one of those at some point!"

Apparently they bought a light blue Bugaboo Cam, or so she told some Officer's Wives in an event.

Tutak Thu 09-May-13 17:16:32

Overwhelmed by the insane costs and snobbery of push chair purchasing, I once fantasised about making a tv show called 'Pimp my Pushchair', in which people turned their prams into customised baby monster trucks....imagine the joys of adding high end paint finishes, massive bumpers, big bass speakers, espresso machines, vibrating mattresses, what else???...

everlong Thu 09-May-13 17:18:59

Am I allowed to say I don't like pink ones?
Or is that pinkist?

SmellsLikeWeenSpirits Thu 09-May-13 17:45:50

You know what pram I want, and hoping almond on here will becabke to identify for me

They were around in the mid 80s. They had a seat that you could flip over and turn inside our to face you / face out. It folded flat. Was very light and had a plastic tray like shopping bit you could pile bags in

I think they were 80stastic colours like lemon and grey stripes

To get something that faces both ways and folds small these days you have to pay £100s. Crazy world confused

SmellsLikeWeenSpirits Thu 09-May-13 17:47:30

tutak I saw one in the JL catalogue the other day that had headlights and folded itself up with the touch of a button

Seriously. A babies buggy with lights and electrical bits

MoominsYonisAreScary Thu 09-May-13 17:47:42

Tutak a pimp my pushchair page keeps coming ip on my fb

IneedAyoniNickname Thu 09-May-13 18:01:15

There are lots of fb selling pages selling 'customised' buggy accessories. N other words someone with a sewing machine and a load of fabric is making handle covers, bumper covers, liners etc.and then selling them.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 09-May-13 18:17:50

I've never heard of a Quinny being chavvy. We looked at the Zapp as a holiday buggy but it wasn't much smaller than our Bugaboo Bee and the basket is tiny.

PoppyAmex Thu 09-May-13 18:35:32

smells this is the one you mean, it even has an ipod charger:

www.4moms.com/origami

ananikifo Thu 09-May-13 19:13:37

I think the average person on the street wouldn't think a Quinny looks that different from an icandy or a bugaboo pushchair. Before I got pregnant I would have called them all "modern" looking and assumed they were all expensive and posh. They are all expensive to me.

That origami one looks link something DH would choose if he was in charge of choosing the pushchair. He would choose it for the iPhone charger.

LeonieDeSainteVire Thu 09-May-13 21:31:25

That origami one has a 'sunroof'. My pushchairs have only had hoods - I feel deprived smile I feel it's aimed at the parent who has had to give up their convertible sports car for a 'family' one . . .

IfNotNowThenWhen Thu 09-May-13 21:38:24

Er... I dunno. I got given one. It was big and blue. Fitted lots of shopping in it. The i got a McClaren one. Fitted less shopping in it but it was lighter.
I don't care!
Should I?
Get whatever you want. I don't get it??!!

MoanyYoni Thu 09-May-13 21:56:50

I read a lot of weird stuff on MN about the Bugaboo. Apparently, if you have one you've obviously only bought it because of the name, so you can show off, because you're a snob, because you're insecure..the list goes on.

I bought mine because it's as light as a bloody feather and can manage most terrains.

MsJupiterJones Thu 09-May-13 22:31:59

I do think buggies should have indicators. I keep going to hit mine when turning a corner.

LeonieDeSainteVire Thu 09-May-13 22:42:02

Smells I think the 80s pushchairs with the seats you could flip over to face either way would be either the Maclaren Superdreamer or the Silver Cross Wayfarer (see up thread!) they both did that. You can still get hold of the Wayfarers pretty easily as they were made up to 2000.

Tiggywunkle Thu 09-May-13 23:03:18

lol Leonie - maybe thats why I have an Origami on order because I have just traded in my convertible for a family car so my children can at last have some leg room in the back*lol*! Its cheaper than a new bigger convertible anyway!

There are several misconceptions here too. There are a good number of pushchairs with carrycots which are suitable for overnight sleeping but you need to check.

The Donkey is FAR from the only side by side which goes through a standard door. There is a big choice of pushchairs which will fit through a standard door way.

To the OP I am glad you got your Buzz - you were clearly happy with it to buy it. I dont think a Buzz is chavy at all, but I do agree with Frigg and others who say its one of the heaviest most cumbersome pushchairs there is - especially to carry or put into the car boot. But the air tyres make it nice to walk with. Your Zezu must be huge!! Use it and enjoy it. I have had a Buzz too - it got sold when it kept popping open in the boot of my car whenever I went over a bump!

To be honest, if you can find a pushchair which works for you, then you need never look at another pushchair again. There is usually a combination lightness, userability, good seat size, good basket size, right height handle etc. which makes the right pushchair. If its not working, then there is a HUGE choice out there to find something better. Its easier to buy a single pushchair. It is finding a double pushchair which works AND importantly that you can push, that is where the nightmare begins!

As for spending a lot of money - you buy what you want and what you can afford like anything in life. I buy and sell pushchairs all the time, and I buy wisely and sell well and the game is to try not to lose any money on them on resale. I would rather buy a better brand pushchair and resell it for similar again, than buy a cheap brand which simply gets taken to the dump. I have to say you do get what you pay for a lot of the time. There are exceptions like the Baby Joggers which are packed with features but at a reasonable price.

Chavy really describes the fabric, frame colour etc and any pushchair can be accessorised badly to produce something eye watering. I have seen some sights in my time! I am not entirely sure the new pink Buzz with bronze chassis works but theres a lot lot worse out there! I think the red and black Buzz's look quite smart TBH.

scottishmummy Thu 09-May-13 23:17:29

Christ alive.make a consumer choice of pram without needing your hand held
do you like the pram,is it on budget,s it safe
that's all.i had bugaboo and they're universally derided

MummySparkle Fri 10-May-13 01:08:38

hands up I have to admit, I am judgey about buggys. Not cheap ones, but it really gets my goat when people have clearly got bugaboos for the status symbol. Or ones that just aren't fit for purpose (too big on the bus, going for a walk with something flimsy...)

When we chose ours for DS I spent ages looking at different types online and walking past on the street. We had a list of requirements for a pram that would suit our lifestyle: has a carry cot that converts into the actual seat, chunky back wheels, can be parent facing, can be pushed with one hand. Then I set about finding the cheapest one I could that did those things. We have an Obaby Zezu and I love it. I know people look at me because I have a 'cheap' pram, but I look at them because they have spent 4 times as much as us for something that does exactly the same! Fair enough some of them may have the spare cash to do so, but the people that flaunt their expensive pushchairs really irritate me, so what that you spent all of your money on a shiny pram. I saved mine to give to DS in the future and I'm very happy with my Zezu. It may not be the prettiest one around (DH wouldn't let me get the purple spotty version...) but it does what it says on the tin.

I don't like seeing tiny babies in car seats clipped onto the buggy gram either - we were told to have DS in the car seat for no more than 45mins to start with so it wouldn't hurt his back. 15mins driving somewhere, 15mins driving back, I'd put a lot of money that they are spending more than 15mins in town. I've seen tiny babies in non-parent-facing contraptions too which makes me sad, I love talking to DS when we're out and about.

So yes I do judge, but not on brand or expense, more on suitability for purpose / comfort of child.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Fri 10-May-13 07:17:39

How do you know the difference between people that flaunt their expensive pushchairs and the ones that bought them because it was the best pram for them?

I bought my Bugaboo as it was the most practical pram for us. But no, it must be because of the name...

RooneyMara Fri 10-May-13 07:34:21

Because there are very few people who use them for posing, and those people are obviously posing to start with even without the pram.

I mean think dark glasses, high heels, orange makeup, hair extensions, cigarette, swearing and walking around in a little 'gang' like a proper queen bee...and very unfriendly, and laughing at other people behind your hand.

That is the only sort of person I mean. Everyone else with a posh pram I assume has it because they either were bought it as a gift, or they liked it, or they wanted the best one for their needs.

Really it doesn't have much to do with the pram at all, iyswim - if someone looks horrible, I'll judge them, it's kind of incidental that they have an icandy or whatever.

rainbowfeet Fri 10-May-13 07:36:34

I don't judge people by their prams or push chairs but I do like looking at them online & in shops!! shock I guess like a car mad person would be about cars!!! I take pride in looking after mine & keep it clean, I have my dream one if I won the lottery!!
Bugaboo does seem to have created this type of snobbery & a generation of small businesses on eBay & Facebook where women make & sell custom accessories for them & other prams such as liners & hood bows etc...??? Plus also I've heard recently of cheap fake Bugaboos coming in the country from China!!!!! I mean wtf??!! shock

P.s my lottery pram would be a Bugaboo bee!!! (Hangs head in shame of joining the snobbery)!!!

mumofprincess Fri 10-May-13 07:38:22

I dont give a shit about what people think in such matters. As long as it is the safest option I can afford for my child and QUINNY is that, I dont care.
My DH and I had an extensive research before purchasing a pushchair and desided Quinny buzz with a maxi cosi carseat that fits on the pusshchair will be the best option for our baby. The Bugaboo is an extremely overpiced option and quite frankly having seen it at many of my friends, is quite unfunctional. During the 0-9 months period I simply used the Quinny base and the maxi cosi car seat and were very confortable and safe for a small baby. Afterwards (my DD is now 3yo) we used the buzz seat, my DD took many naps there while strolling around and loved it. I checked with the paediatrician too, who said he finds the padding very good for small babies. We chose the 3wheel option and while it is indeed wide it gave me safety and stability when moving arround and believe me we move a lot! I purchased a cheep stroller later on in order to make things easier as i thought it will be lighter and portable, but have never used it because after using Quinny I just cant trust the stroller's thin padding and light wheels.

gazzalw Fri 10-May-13 07:43:51

Believe it or not, around where we live, you often see young mums with Silvercross prams- totally ridiculous and out-of-place!

I think there's a whole tranche of society who likes to be a clone- we were discussing it on the A&F Thread and the status buggy is another example!

At the end of the day you want/need something that's robust and manageable and not too expensive. I actually think for our carless household, a Bugaboo might have been an excellent choice, had we had the money and large hallway in which to store it!

RooneyMara Fri 10-May-13 07:55:08

Gazza, that'll be the travelling community I think. It's a tradition - we went to a dreadful fairground thing and every stall had a silver cross pram next to it!

gazzalw Fri 10-May-13 07:56:17

Yes, you are right, RooneyMara!!!

PoppyAmex Fri 10-May-13 08:54:58

So if you buy a cheap pram you're sensible and if you buy an expensive one, you're "flaunting it".

Have no idea why someone gives a shit about how I spend my money, but I can only think there might be some deep seated issues there.

I originally came on this thread to tell the OP not to worry, as surely no one would be shallow enough to judge someone on the pram they use, but she has been proved right.

Wuxiapian Fri 10-May-13 09:31:21

I have a Quinny Buzz 3 - chose it because it's one of the few pushchairs that'll fit in our half boot - the dog owning the other half!

It folds down easily and quickly, is easy to steer and I have no complaints with it.

I am also not a chav, thank you.

MiaowTheCat Fri 10-May-13 09:34:00

As for the evils of forward facing... having completely wrecked my shoulder to the point I was sat at home sobbing in agony at having to push a really heavy double up the hills near us (bus route got pulled AFTER I'd bought a buggy working on the assumption of buses etc being available) - I'm afraid I sacrified my principles and bought a forward facing pushchair.

Having a mum who can actually get them out of the house and isn't crying with shooting pains running down her arm praying she doesn't have to lift you up is an upgrade in my eyes - and if anyone gives me crap for having one - I'll run them over with it cos I really do NOT need the guilt tripping.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Fri 10-May-13 09:44:41

PoppyAmex we're also denying our children money for the future. I mean what were we thinking?

nattnatt Fri 10-May-13 09:50:35

Who are you talking to?!! I had a Quinny Buzz 3 for 3 years and only got rid this week to swap for a double (icandy pear) I want my Quinny back! No one every judged my choice of pram and its a totally personal thing. It does the job, the boys liked it, I could push it, fold it and do what I needed with it. Nuff said!

nancerama Fri 10-May-13 09:54:56

I only judge filthy pushchairs smeared with crusted food.

MiaowTheCat Fri 10-May-13 09:57:57

It's not filth- it's load-bearing, structural mud! (Coordinates with the car usually)

I have a second pushchair for general muddy dog walking abuse purposes.

PeppermintPasty Fri 10-May-13 10:14:13

Bit late to this party, but we had a Quinny zapp and we are vair vair posh.

flowery Fri 10-May-13 10:21:19

Anyone who judges other people for their pram choice has waaaaay too much time on their hands imo.

And yes, can't imagine a situation where you'd discuss buggy plans with anyone in order for them to be in a position to give an opinion anyway.

chandellina Fri 10-May-13 12:34:29

I hate the big tanks and bugaboos and feel smug that I've only ever had to have one buggy from birth for my children - a four seasons Maclaren. It isn't glamorous but it is great in buses, shops, and everywhere else.

I have a big tank of a single (I mean massive) and I have recently got the double of it from someone on a farm! (that is honestly how huge it is, I can keep a weeks shopping in the basket).

I'm sure I will get judged for the double as I already get it for the single but I adore it.
Lovely double tank

grin

PoppyAmex Fri 10-May-13 12:46:20

Hey Schro that's one hell of a pram, I'm mighty impressed! Even the name imposes respect grin

PoppyAmex Fri 10-May-13 12:48:54

"PoppyAmex we're also denying our children money for the future. I mean what were we thinking?"

*Pobble" I forgot that one, actually.

That was the weirdest attempt of guilt trip I've ever seen on MN, but it made laugh a little bit "You spent to much money on your Bugaboo instead of saving it for your children like me. Bad mother!" grin

Poppy It was the name that won me over in the first place, an ex friend was selling it and it turned out to be the most awesome thing ever invented. It even has a changing bag thing built into the hood and the hood covers the entire thing like a tent.

I don't care about the judgy looks I get, it's awesome. grin

PoppyAmex Fri 10-May-13 12:56:29

I can't blame you, it looks amazing for outdoors.

I'm currently pregnant and because we're so happy with the Bugaboo Cam I had just assumed we'd get the Donkey (DD is only 1yo), but I had never heard of the Herqules before and am researching it as I type!

It looks seriously sturdy.

You would need to buy it off Ebay or Gumtree as it is discontinued. It was made by a company called Swiss Design who were taken over by EmmalJunga. It was apparently designed to withstand an avalanche!

It's not too big width wise and is very easy to fold. You can get the newborn inserts as well and big comfy cosy toes and stuff.

I would never look back from having a herqules!

I liked the Donkey but it seems very small in terms of comfort and fiddly.

IdaClair Fri 10-May-13 13:00:45

I get judged for not having a buggy. I've been told I shouldn't be a martyr (?) that slings are not good for my baby, that the baby needs space to lie down and should always lie flat, that I shouldn't carry her 'all squished up', that I need a buggy for long trips, that she should be in a buggy 'at her age'. That I need to get her used to a buggy or she won't go in one when she's older, that she'll be clingy due to my lack of buggy usage and (my favourite) that I will definitely need one when she gets bigger as she will get too heavy to carry. Oh, and that I'll break my back/my spine and so on and so on.

PoppyAmex Fri 10-May-13 13:04:58

Schro that makes sense, I was guessing Swedish or Swiss just by the look of it; it just screams "safe" and "comfy" to me!

Shame it's discontinued, but I'm still going to have a gander online because I'm quite taken with it.

I got the double from Gumtree, very cheaply too.

That particular one is discontinued but the EmmalJunga Twin Nitro is still available and you can buy it in stores.

It is very safe and along with a huge foot brake it has a hand brake too! I doubt you could tip it if you tried but you can push it with 2 fingers as the suspension makes it so light (I have a disability and it's bloody easy for even me to push]]

MoominsYonisAreScary Fri 10-May-13 19:23:53

schro that ones just round the corner from me (mapperley) grin

Pobblewhohasnotoes Fri 10-May-13 19:25:34

I used to live in Mapperley.

Is it? Go buy it!

Just kidding... grin

I have no idea where Mapperley is btw.

MoominsYonisAreScary Fri 10-May-13 19:37:42

Nottingham, I want one of the small cosatto little bro big bro or the owl and the pussycat ones now.

Trying to find one cheap on gumtree is it will be the 4th one I've had in the last 2 years, mines a bit heavy with all the hills around here

Lost control and nearly took some poor bloke out the other day

PoppyAmex Fri 10-May-13 19:41:45

Schro I think the Herqule is cooler than the EmmalJunga.

Showed them to DH who was uncharacteristically enthusiastic about a pram, but can't say I'm surprised grin

Piemother Fri 10-May-13 19:48:01

I so thought this thread was going to be about slings.....
I'm selling a red buzz if anyone in Devon fancies it grin

SmellsLikeWeenSpirits Fri 10-May-13 21:00:34

That wayfarer looks perfect. Lightweight, folds flat, faces both ways, has carrycot. Why isn't there an equivalent on sale now? It's like they had to get more and more complicated to make us spend more and more

I'm going to buy a wayfarer

Poppy It's the only pram my DP has been interested in (out of many), another thing I like about it. grin

MiaowTheCat Fri 10-May-13 21:27:27

"Nottingham, I want one of the small cosatto little bro big bro or the owl and the pussycat ones now."

Moomins - it took me flipping ages to find a suitable cosatto one on Nottingham Gumtree for two girls, and I never saw the owl and the pussycat one on there or I'd have had that! Finding the right combination of sis/bro on those cosattos is a pain in the arse. Ended up with the pink buggy of shame (a Sugar and Spice one).

(Doesn't live in Mapperley btw - but I bet we've got bigger hills over this side of town - managed to knack my shoulder massively pushing a heavy double up ours)

MoominsYonisAreScary Fri 10-May-13 23:21:42

miaow it's typical, there's been a couple of girl ones on fb recently but most of them are boy/girl and they are really cheap!

Kiddicare have the baby weavers owl and pussy cat for £118 at the mo but it's a really light colour

DontMeanToBeRudeBut Fri 10-May-13 23:36:02

Loving the Sugar and Spice pink buggy of shame grin I take my hat off to you. I'd take my shoes off too if it was trimmed with leopardskin print!

PaWithABra Fri 10-May-13 23:48:48

Am I being unreasonable to think that writing 'judgey' instead of adding the extra five characters to write judgemental is lazy and makes the author sound like an right ignorant thick t**t.

That's a bit rude!!

Pa - YwouldNBU if they meant the same.

Yes, because shortening a word makes someone look like a right ignorant thick twat.

Btw, we can swear here. It makes you look like a hypocrite when you miss letters from words, while complaining about others missing letters from words. hmm

Fairylea Sat 11-May-13 08:55:05

Wow... judgey much smile

<evil grin>

I think it was a few too many drink for Pa- I doubt she will be back!wink

I am a thick tent.

Lazyjaney Sat 11-May-13 10:03:36

I judge people who bring those huge mobile baby homes pushchairs onto public transport in rush hour.

Perhaps they need those massive pushchairs and don't have any other mode of transport...

For all the pushchair enthusiasts on here, someone has just offered to swap my Quinny Buzz 3 for a Bugaboo...

Should I?

Pobblewhohasnotoes Sat 11-May-13 10:21:11

Which Bugaboo?

I own a Bug, so may be biased in saying yes. grin

LeonieDeSainteVire Sat 11-May-13 10:22:21

SmellsLike the wayfarer was probably the most practical pushchair ever invented, when folded it stands on its end with no support, we used to keep ours in a cupboard! The carrycot fits a baby up to 6-8 months, much roomier than modern prams and the seat unit is big enough for a four year old and so comfy. Only down side it needs two hands to collapse. They are indestructible too and made in Britain.

Where are you? DH would be delighted if I sold ours . . .

No idea yet! I posted it on gumtree and someone replied asking if I would swap for a Bugaboo, I asked what one and am waiting on them messaging back.

Someone else has asked what my lowest price would be, I think £60 is pretty bloody cheap tbh!

Schro- seems I got a bargain. They just wanted it gone tho smile

Always good to get a bargain, not so good when you need rid of something and don't want to lose so much from it. sad

Mines is a rareish colour scheme, I haven't actually met anyone else with it. Doesn't seem to help though, someone wanted me to sell them it for £40. sad

Piemother Sat 11-May-13 16:35:09

Even if its a bee it's worth swapping. I would swap my buzz for a bugaboo!

It's a Bugaboo Gecko, should I? It looks quite nice.

scottishmummy Sat 11-May-13 17:36:47

no,gecko was discontinued years ago.not sure they fetch that much on ebay

Would it be smaller and easier to lug around than the buzz though? The thing is driving me mental, it takes up so much space!

scottishmummy Sat 11-May-13 17:47:54

gosh yes,much lighter,smaller fold,better pram
buzz is a Sherman tank of a pram

You're right about that. It is an utter pain in terms of size, especially when it's size has no usefullness. hmm

This comes with the carry cot and cosey toes as well. Think I might as well if it's smaller and lighter.

Thanks. smile

scottishmummy Sat 11-May-13 17:53:55

yes,in that case yes swop gecko is light weight,small fold
buzz is a rickety big cart

Thank you! smile

Will be glad to get rid of the buzz!

LynetteScavo Sat 11-May-13 17:58:39

I feel uneasy when I see new borns in pushchairs which don't lie flat.

I think what we're really talking about here is pushchair snobbery.

I'm snobby about Gracco's because I just personally don't like them

Wuxiapian Mon 13-May-13 14:11:20

It's fine, LynetteScarvo, as long as baby's not in it longer than 2 hours at a stretch.

lurkerspeaks Mon 13-May-13 17:54:02

Probably too late but I would caution against the buzz (I've used a lot of buggies) as it is pretty wide and can be difficult to manouevere in shops or on public transport.

I'm judgy lol......

I look at so many buggies and think 'why?'

MoominsYonisAreScary Sat 18-May-13 22:40:57

Does anyone have one of those city jogger mini side by side things? Can you get through doors ok?

rainbowbrite1980 Sat 18-May-13 22:51:27

"I judge women who bring massive tank-buggies onto buses! A dainty little thing is so much easier for everyone on public transport!"

But not as suitable for younger babies, or for older babies to nap in if you're out for the day - plus, for those of us reliant on public transport, we need to be able to fit the day's necessities underneath - it's quite a lot if you havie three children like me.

OP - you're surrounding yourself with the wrong people! Who gives a what buggy you've got? I know a few people who are judgemental about buggies full stop because they babywear. I don't let them bother me.

stretto Sat 18-May-13 23:03:08

I have a wonderful old 1970s Silver Cross Grosvenor www.coachbuiltprams.co.uk/Silver-Cross-Kensington-Carlton-xchassis.html
For public transport I have a Baby Jogger City Mini which is a splendid piece of equipment - super-light, roomy and very easy to fold.

No-one ever comments on the Baby Jogger but literally every time I go out with the old Silver Cross, people stop me to say how lovely it is.

MoominsYonisAreScary Sat 18-May-13 23:21:56

stretto so I'll be ok with the baby jogger then, I'm thinking of getting rid of my britax B dual

MoominsYonisAreScary Sat 18-May-13 23:23:46

I bet yours is a single isn't it?

shufflehopstep Sun 19-May-13 00:07:14

People get snobby about everything. And I mean literally everything. I didn't know there was snobbery about supermarkets until a work colleague turned her nose up at me shopping in Morrisons.confused I have a Mamas and Papas pramette which I was given as a hand me down by a friend as was the Moses basket. Our child seat was loaned to us by friends until they have another baby - Maxi Cosi. Our entire nursery was kitted out for £120 with furniture that a friend was getting rid of and which she had bought from new - again Mamas and Papas. It all means nothing to me as it's only since I've had it all that I've realised how much snobbery there is around baby stuff. Just zone out of any conversations about this type of thing. It's ridiculous.

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