to think children shouldn't have toy guns?

(183 Posts)
trianglesaregood Wed 08-May-13 13:55:18

At the park this morning and noticed some pre-school age boys playing, quite aggressively, with toy guns. One looked like some sort of machine gun complete with toy ammo! I was a bit shocked as I didn't think anyone gave their kids these kind of toys anymore; none of my friends do and I wouldn't think it appropriate for my children. Am I living in a bubble? Wondered what others thought?

SirBoobAlot Wed 08-May-13 13:56:12

Nope. YANBU. I hate toy weapons.

My son has a gun that fires foam bullets. He loves it and I have no issue with him having one.

FreudiansSlipper Wed 08-May-13 13:56:44

ds does not have any

so he makes his own from lego hmm

youmeatsix Wed 08-May-13 13:58:36

we decided no toy guns for our son, so any pencil or twig did him, taking something with ammo to a playpark isnt on though, not all children enjoy rough and tumble

picnicbasketcase Wed 08-May-13 13:58:36

Neither of my DC have ever had toy guns, and yes, as above, they make them out of sticklebricks, Lego and megabloks. It still filters in from somewhere.

Annunziata Wed 08-May-13 13:58:49

It doesn't really bother me to be honest.

squoosh Wed 08-May-13 14:00:25

I'm not that bothered either.

elQuintoConyo Wed 08-May-13 14:00:55

I didn't have one (I'm a female) but I made one out of my Weebles' swing! I 'shot' my older sister a lot, which pissed her off grin

I don't want to buy one for DS. Bubble guns etc = fine, guns that look like guns = fuck no.

yousankmybattleship Wed 08-May-13 14:01:00

Doesn't bother me. My children have always had swords, disc shooters, nerfs etc. Don't see the problem.

HeySoulSister Wed 08-May-13 14:01:56

we lived on a garrison...where my dc dad was an armed guard on the gate.....why shouldn't they play?

CoolStoryBro Wed 08-May-13 14:02:10

My children love playing Nerf wars. They run around, they hide, they shoot each other. It's literally hours and hours of fun.

I'm really not that bothered. In fact, DH and I join in!

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 08-May-13 14:02:12

If they don't have them they'll use their imagination, even with pointy fingers.
And that's boys and girls, I'm old but was brought up with little pistols with caps and we played detectives or cowboys people.
I assure you I'm a lovely peaceful human being.

HeySoulSister Wed 08-May-13 14:02:26

do you feel the same way about naice wooden archery sets op?

PlasticLentilWeaver Wed 08-May-13 14:02:28

Can't beat a good nerf battle with the kids grin

My DS loves his toy guns.....doesn't mean he is going to grow up and be a gun wielding maniac. It's what little boys like, why shouldn't they play with them? YABU!

HeySoulSister Wed 08-May-13 14:03:28

and just the weather for water guns!!

5madthings Wed 08-May-13 14:03:46

When ds1 was little I tried to have a no toy gun rule...another three boys later it has not worked.

Of they don't have toy guns they use sticks or make them out of Lego etc, they love Nerf guns and have a potato gun.

They know not to point them at people and its just play the same,e as their toy swords' light sabers and bow and arrow.

ElleMcFearsome Wed 08-May-13 14:04:15

I was all anti-guns, then, as Freudian said, mine made them from lego, or as a last resort, out of their fingers (with accompanying 'bang bang' noises)...

ouryve Wed 08-May-13 14:04:28

Mine don't have toy guns and even DS1, who is pretty inventive with anything he finds, doesn't make them.

Then again, he doesn't watch anything with guns in on TV. He knows what they are, of course, but doesn't see any entertainment value in them.

ElleMcFearsome Wed 08-May-13 14:05:01

x-post with LBE smile

DialsMavis Wed 08-May-13 14:06:38

For me personally
Guns that look like guns= not OK (people still gave them to DS though, angry ex mil

Nerfs, space guns, water pistols, bubble guns= OK

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 08-May-13 14:07:08

I loved disc shooters even more than ds did.grin

HeySoulSister Wed 08-May-13 14:07:36

but they are still gun shaped!!!

LowLevelWhinging Wed 08-May-13 14:07:40

yep, we started off as idealistic parents with a no gun policy. 7 years later and we have an armoury cupboard shock hmm

they blummin love it and it doesn't bother me.

aldiwhore Wed 08-May-13 14:07:57

I don't like the idea of 'real looking' toy guns, I don't like the aggressive play that comes with it, I'd rather they played "Red Cross Aid".

Just because I don't like the noise, or the idea doesn't mean that it's a BAD THING. I don't choose to buy toy guns for my boys, but they make them out of sticks and play the same games.

I often think I am a massive hypocrite and I am. I have no issue with a lovely summer's day and children playing cowboys and native americans (much as I think the history is not glamorous and the 'Indians' shoudnt' ever be the baddies) but I would be miserable to see my boys playing "Attack Iraq: Let's shoot brown people" which could be argued is fundamentally the same thing.

I think my point is that children think differently to adults, they play and they need that wonderful basic story of 'goodie versus baddies' to explore their world... even if actually they are recreating violence and perhaps being incredibly innacurate both historically and morally.

I once banned all guns. They were then making swords, and there were far more injuries that day.

KittensandKids Wed 08-May-13 14:08:54

I have never bought DSs them but other family members do, Nerf guns, I just wait and collect the bullets. No big deal tbh DS2 makes guns from sticks etc. He doesn't want anything much gun related on TV. He made a bow and arrow last week.

My brothers had a real bow and arrow until they made a hole in the bedroom door, they had air pistols too, but used bit of potato to shoot my head, I detested my brothers having lethal weapons but it was that or pepper in my eyes. Now they buy my DSs the guns.

<loving family>

VonHerrBurton Wed 08-May-13 14:09:15

Well, you wouldn't like to be around me and my ds/all his friends at the park smile

He has always played with toy guns, nerf foam bullet guns, potato pellet guns - any type, since he was school age, as have his circle of friends. They're 9/10 yo now and still play with them, amongst other things, but they still all get together and go to the field, build dens, climb trees and pretend to shoot eachother.

If you walked passed with a dog, pushchair, older person they would stop and get out of your way. None of them are aggressive, angry, rude or bullies.

Fakebook Wed 08-May-13 14:09:32

I wouldn't mind. I remember my dd aged 2 coming home from nursery one day and pointing her finger at me saying "pyoo pyoo pyoo". They'll make up pretend guns out of anything. Dd has water guns and foam rocket launching guns. I don't think she's going to go around shooting people in the future.

Booboobedoo Wed 08-May-13 14:09:35

We have a sizeable weapon stockpile at my house. DS (6) doesn't really play with them any more, but DD (2.5) loves them.

I think most kids need to get it out of their systems.

squoosh Wed 08-May-13 14:10:18

I used to love my toy dagger with retractable 'blade'. Manys a happy murder I perpetrated with that.

aldiwhore Wed 08-May-13 14:12:48

I had one of those squoosh!! Awesome serial killing memories of childhood and 'stupid' dolls.

I should add that I find the thought of actually harming someone pretty abhorant.

5madthings Wed 08-May-13 14:12:52

squoosh the madthings have some of those grin

Need guns are fun, my boys have lots of toy guns, every time they do hook a duck at the fair they choose a toy gun as their prize. They have a pretend baton and handcuffs etc as well [shrug]

VonHerrBurton Wed 08-May-13 14:16:54

do you include water guns in your gun ban,op? I can't imagine a summer without 20 kids, boys and girls, squealing with delight having water gun battles....

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 08-May-13 14:17:40

Thought I would care but I don't.

I don't like guns that look like guns, and the DCs don't own any of any kind (though they do have wooden swords to play knights).

But bright plastic supersoaker shape guns wouldn't bother me particularly.

valiumredhead Wed 08-May-13 14:19:41

No different from swords, archery sets etc imo. They just make them out of lego as someone said earlier or use plastic toy carrots in this house!

I didn't buy ds guns either - we had a lot of sticks around the house which were guns/swords/light sabres instead.

Until he went to a jumble sale with his own, saved, money. And bought, oh yes, a fucking toy gun. Sigh.

trianglesaregood Wed 08-May-13 14:20:11

I've never noticed my DS making pretend guns from lego etc nor has he ever asked for a toy gun but he is fond of swishing around pretend light sabres which somehow doesn't seem as threatening. We don't have wooden archery sets though.

How old is he triangles?

Ellenora5 Wed 08-May-13 14:23:35

My ds1 first gun was a banana. The fruit bowl was always empty of bananas so I went and bought him a gun.

I did care when ds was a baby and `I was never` going to buy any weapon for him, I hated any weapon and dc had a good mix of toys, dolls etc , then he started nursery and became fanatical with star wars, we have an arsenal of guns, swords, light sabers, blasters etc made from anything and everything. Pow pow pow, hands up and is screamed through the house sad, hes still a lovely little boy, its just that they play it at school alongisde batman, spiderman etc.

He still will only go to sleep with piglet cuddling him though, so alls not lost.

MogTheForgetfulCat Wed 08-May-13 14:25:32

I have 3 DSs and we don't have much in the way of toy guns. I wouldn't buy guns that look like real guns, but we do have water pistols and super-soakers, and I wouldn't object to some sort of colourful Nerf-type gun - probably wouldn't buy them one, but would allow them to buy with their own money (but have not yet had to be tested on this).

We do have wooden and foam swords and cutlasses, and an archery set. Also light-sabres. They are adept at making almost anything - Lego, pencils, sticks, pieces of toast (yes, really) into guns, though, so the instinct for weaponry seems to be built-in, to a certain extent - they've never seen anything on TV/film that they shouldn't have, so it didn't come from that...

triangle, do you know how deadly the light saber is? grin

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 08-May-13 14:28:48

What's the difference between a toy gun and a toy sword though.
A sword is basically just a glorified knife isn't it?
And in the movies a light sabre is still a lethal weapon that kills people.

haggisaggis Wed 08-May-13 14:29:46

WHen ds was little think we had a no guns rule too. Then he his last year of primary he and his friends (boys and girls) used to run round the village having "gun games". Really just a glorified game of hide and seek. They all had fun, no-one got hurt and they were having lots of exercise.

LondonJax Wed 08-May-13 14:29:50

DS doesn't have guns but, as soon as he started school, he'd be picking up twigs or building guns (and 'bomber planes') with Lego. At that stage the most violent thing he saw on TV was Justin's House! But two of his friends in Foundation loved 'army' games and he picked up the idea (along with half the girls and boys in his class).

The good thing is that it's given us a chance to talk about when guns aren't good in real life - to which his stock reply is 'I know mum, but this is fiction' (6years going on 60...)

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 08-May-13 14:31:03

But remember if you get struck down with a light sabre you will only become more powerful....

I don't like the toys that look like real guns but other than that I am not bothered.

I am more bothered by children 'pretending' to kick one another - yes DSS, I mean you!!

squeakytoy Wed 08-May-13 14:35:15

I have never understood why there is a problem with children playing with TOYS because that is all they are.

Children who play with toy guns do not automatically grow up to go around shooting people..

VerySmallSqueak Wed 08-May-13 14:35:54

No toy guns allowed here.

When they are older though they will learn to shoot.

Whats darth vaders death grip called? Fed up with that one, ds thinks it will actually stop me in my tracks!

Seriously though, I hated guns but realised I couldnt stop him building them out of cougettes, cucumbers etc and then also remembered my three brothers playing with them as children and they are now normal fully grown adults (well most of the time) who dont run around pow powing anyone anymore.

Give dh a light saber though.......... grin

AWimbaWay Wed 08-May-13 14:37:50

My dcs have toy guns, swords, light sabres, bows and arrows. They love pretending to be cowboys, pirates, knights, star wars characters, robin hood etc etc. I don't see the problem.

Lollyheart Wed 08-May-13 14:42:34

I also don't like real looking guns, with 3 boys there's no getting away from them making guns from Lego etc.
I took ds to visit his new school last week, as she came out of her office ds pulled out some Lego from his pocket and pretended to shoot her.
I was motified blush she just laughed at him.

Lollyheart Wed 08-May-13 14:44:17

As the head came out of her office

pipsqueakz Wed 08-May-13 14:46:17

water guns I have no prob with. Toy guns swords etc I have no problem with. BUT my stupid xp took kids to corner shop once. They came back with these guns they put in their mouths and pull the trigger and sweets came out. Now that I DO have a problem with!they were conviscated immediately!

FoundAChopinLizt Wed 08-May-13 14:46:26

Dcs play with toy irons, toasters, cookers and knifes, all of which are dangerous in real life.

Would you let them play cluedo? Battleships?

I had a no guns rule for my PFB. Four kids in we have much weaponry in the house. It was pointed out to me that perhaps I was being a tad hypocritical as I was an archer for much of my teens and I was happy for them to have bows/arrows/light sabres etc.

I gave in following the stick, lego and carrot making of a gun.

I have a collection of odd rules which make me feel more comfortable with gun play:

I won't let the boys "shoot" people who they aren't playing with.

My DS4 (3) does not yet have a nerf gun or any weaponry - he's not old enough yet <snort>

No really real looking guns to be played with in the garden or outside at the park.

No guns at the dinner table.

I have no idea why I have these toy gun rules. I make myself laugh with them.

Love the `no guns` at the dinner table Tea grin

ThatRuddyAbyssinian Wed 08-May-13 14:49:38

I don't like toy weapons that look like real ones, which sounds weird. Anything else is fine.

When on holiday a few years back in the far east I was on a coach in front of a rich American family. The two boys (about 5-6ish) had toy guns/helicopters etc and were 'pretending' to shoot toy army soldiers - they kept saying stuff like 'shoot the brown people!'. Parents were actually encouraging it. It was awful and made me angry.

ThatRuddyAbyssinian Wed 08-May-13 14:50:47

Haha at Tea - 'a princess does not place her weapons on the table' grin.

Has anyone else noticed that toy weapons are usually given as gifts to boy children but not girls? hmm

badguider Wed 08-May-13 14:51:09

I don't like 'real' looking guns or role playing as soldiers or hitmen or whatever.

But I do like things that can be aimed and fire stuff (darts, arrows, whatever). I think target shooting with a bow and arrow or catapult or 'gun' with rubber darts or balls or whatever can be really addictive and teach patience and perserverance is good for hand-eye coordination.

TeWiSavesTheDay Wed 08-May-13 14:51:29

I don't mind then really either.

But from a safety PoV I'd definitely not have anything that could he mistaken as a real gun, and probably not anything that fired anything if we had pets or small DC still.

Not bothered by guns at all. My brother had several growing up including one that fired caps and had a lovely gunpowdery smell grin. DS makes them out of anything that comes to hand. I've not actively bought him a gun of any sort but wouldn't be bothered if he had one. I think it's a stage and most children seem to be past it by the age of 9 or 10.

claraschu Wed 08-May-13 14:54:12

My boys got much more aggressive over chess games than they did when they were running around in the woods being gangsters, which was always relatively friendly play acting. But then, we are pretty extreme pacifist/vegan types, so I like to flatter myself that our values rubbed off on the kids, in spite of having some toy weapons around.

Actually, they were never all that interested in guns, except if they were out building forts with their friends, and needed the guns as props. Some of their friends were fascinated by the toy guns, and I couldn't help thinking that they probably had not been allowed to play with them before.

tra the same accursed jumble sale that ds bought his gun from also yielded a white and pink pistol that dd leapt upon <head in hands>.

I also have no weapons on the table rule.

And no weapons in the bathroom fed up of being shot when I was 'busy'

VerySmallSqueak Wed 08-May-13 14:54:41

The rules are why I don't allow toy guns Tea (especially rules about guns at the dinner table grin ).

Guns aren't toys and have rules attached. I think 'playing' with guns dilutes that message.

Ruddy I laughed when I saw that too.

morethanpotatoprints Wed 08-May-13 14:59:28

We started off with a no gun rule because of the messages it gave our ds. However, I feel that a couple of harmless florescent green (not life like) are much safer than the alternative of finding they have bent wire coat hangers or similar into the shape of a gun. They all make gun sounds and pretend to be soldiers anyway, if you give them a gun or not.

Asheth Wed 08-May-13 14:59:30

I'm another one whose PFB was definitly not allowed to play with toy guns... until he was 3 and started making them out of lego! At which point I bowed to the inevitable!

I see no harm in having toy guns. But as they get older I think it's important for them to start to understand the realities of war, so as not to glamourise it.

Startail Wed 08-May-13 15:18:17

My BF and I used to make lethal bows and arrows. We fired garden canes with quite enough force to take someone's eye out. DSIS cap gun was far safer.

LouiseSmith Wed 08-May-13 15:22:50

Morals make good people.

Toy guns are just great fun, I had a toy gun when I was a child and I havnt shot anyone thus far.

thecakeisalie Wed 08-May-13 15:27:47

Tbh its not something that's ever really bothered me and it wasn't until I started reading parenting forums that I even gave it that much thought. We have 2 boys and our eldest does like toy guns but not in a obsessive way (he much prefers ironman's repulsors!).

Its imaginary play and kids will make guns out of anything, as people have said. Its such odd logic - its ok for kids to pretend to be doctors performing operations with pretend equipment or a builder running round with hammers or a superhero who beats up the 'bad guys' but to play with a toy gun shock shock horror these children will grow up to think its normal to shoot each and die dramatically only to revive themselves 2 seconds later! Its playing and I doubt kids see it as anything more than that!

thegreylady Wed 08-May-13 15:29:20

My grandsons have water soaker guns and a space gun which shines different coloured beams of lifht.Dgs3 who is 6 keeps asking for a nerf gun and saved his pocket money for one but was diverted by some leg.I don't like realistic guns at all but the fantasy ones don't bother me at all.

mrsjay Wed 08-May-13 15:31:29

so he makes his own from lego

children will do ^ ^ this I work with preschoolers and have no guns but they do the lego or with their fingers etc , It really is up to the parent imo if they give children toy guns what is the issue with banning them do you think children wont do play fighting if they are not available cos they will

pictish Wed 08-May-13 15:33:50

What Mrs Jay said - I used to be all 'oooh no nasty guns in our house" but ds1 would bite his toast into the shape of a gun and use that to mow down the enemy.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Wed 08-May-13 15:34:13

I used to feel like this. I even used to undo gifts from other people - eg action men hmm - and remove all weapons. Nothing, not even a bright yellow water pistol, got through these doors.

Then one day I walked into the living room and found them sword fighting with straws and I realised I was wasting my time grin

pictish Wed 08-May-13 15:36:07

And as I type actually, ds2 and dd are shooting each other with their fingers.

mrsjay Wed 08-May-13 15:36:22

I do think parents do do weapons with all the good intentions but if a boy wants to play shooting or get the bad guy then whether he has a gun or not they will still play like that, I said boys because realistically it is boy who are more interested than girls IME dd did have a toy light sabre and did the wooshy noise though grin

mrsjay Wed 08-May-13 15:36:41

And as I type actually, ds2 and dd are shooting each other with their fingers.

see told you grin

Pretty much what Hecsy said, I had feelings about this, but they made them, pretended to have them or just thumped each other instead.

It was pointless, so I stopped wasting my time.

WestieMamma Wed 08-May-13 15:40:34

We didn't have guns as kids, but that's because Mum got sick of the holes in all her potatoes. Do they still make spud guns?

<snort at Hec frisking action man before he entered the house>

mrsjay Wed 08-May-13 15:45:15

I once got hit in the eye with spud gun I think they are now banned, we have a thing round here with B B guns but that was older boys

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Wed 08-May-13 15:47:10

I did. Full body search. grin

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Wed 08-May-13 15:48:19

I have a scar along one eyebrow where a friend of mine threw a tin lid like a frisbee and sliced me open. I could have lost an eye.

On balance, I'd say a plastic gun is safer grin

5madthings Wed 08-May-13 15:49:21

Spud guns aren't banned, ds2 has one bought from the local toy shop, not that its at all irritating to get the potatoes out to peel and find them full of holes.... hmm he is only allowed to shoot iut outside at a target and not people. Its great fun tho smile

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 08-May-13 15:49:32

I was anti toy gun when DS (now 17) was small. He never had one, and never wanted one when he was small. Sadly blood will out, and he comes from a family of "real boys".--think blowing things up in the back garden-- I actually prefer them to have guns that look like guns. DS always wanted BB guns. I said he wouldnt have enough respect for others if he thought that BBs wouldnt injure them, and steered him towards air rifles. He has subsequently had both, and I was proved right. Thankfully his uncles, DP and I all believe that guns are fun, but need to be treated with the utmost respect and he has been taught the rules right from the start. He knows guns aren't toys.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 08-May-13 15:50:36

Mind you, ssaying that, you cant beat a nerf gun! grin blush

5madthings Wed 08-May-13 15:51:43
mrsjay Wed 08-May-13 15:51:49

are they not I thought they were banned it was about 100 years ago I was very dramatic if I remember right shouting about being blind I wasn't i was fine

CrapBag Wed 08-May-13 15:53:38

I have a friend who is really anti guns. Doesn't stop her giving her DS a crossbow, axe, ball with spikes sticking out of it and lots of other toy weapons, all from a very young age. But she would recoil in horror at the idea of a gun, because they are more 'real' apparently and would be easier to get hold of. hmm Not sure how its easier to get hold of a real gun rather than an axe that you could pick up in a DIY shop.

DS doesn't have a toy gun at the moment but I would get him one of those nerf things in a couple of years.

5madthings Wed 08-May-13 15:55:40

I think you can get big ones that shoot whole potatoes at high velocities...which are not necessarily legal... A few came up made out of drainpipes when I googled...

But the regular kind that just uses bits of potato is fine smile they can fire quite far but not hard enough to hurt ime.

CrowsLanding Wed 08-May-13 15:56:03

My boys love guns. never seen a problem with them having them tbh.

CrapBag Wed 08-May-13 15:56:06

My aunt banned guns and was really against them. Her DS grew up obsessed with violence and then started collecting knives when he was a teen, with the blessing of his mum hmm. He also had quite a collection of bullets. Banning guns as toys didn't make any difference.

5madthings Wed 08-May-13 15:57:29

Look here.

With a warning 'may cause serious injury or death'!!! Scary looking spud guns!

I loved spud gun!

I really want a nerf gun. Just for myself

Gingersstuff Wed 08-May-13 16:04:36

The kids that grow up to be the adults that go around shooting people for fun have far, far bigger problems than playing with toy guns in their childhood. I don't understand the problem with it, my 9 yo son and his friends have played with anything and everything remotely resembling a gun since they were toddlers. They're all kind, respectful, compassionate human beings (mostly, anyway grin) and more importantly, they KNOW the difference between a toy and a deadly weapon.
I do think that people who assume kids playing with toy guns = adult serial killer are not giving kids nearly enough credit for basic intelligence or half-decent parenting.

Pendeen Wed 08-May-13 16:06:31

"I was a bit shocked as I didn't think anyone gave their kids these kind of toys anymore; none of my friends do and I wouldn't think it appropriate for my children. Am I living in a bubble? "

Yes I'm afraid you are living in a bubble.

mrsjay Wed 08-May-13 16:10:33

well I grew up int he 70s they all had guns I dont know any serial killers

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 08-May-13 16:20:34

DS was dead chuffed. His Uncles took him to Bisley. He got to play with some serious guns! His college mates didnt believe him, when they were drooling over a huge sniper rifle on COD or the like and he said he had shot one. He has photos to prove it! grin
Completely off topic I know. Sorry. FWIW DS is totally un agressive in almost every way outside the Xbox. I really dont think playing with guns has affected his outlook on life.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 08-May-13 16:21:47

Saying that, I do not in any way advocate 99% of people owning guns and keeping them at home. The situation with gun control in America is totally wrong IMO.

Summerblaze Wed 08-May-13 16:22:40

My DS is only 5 but has play guns (laser style) that makes a noise and lights up. He plays with it for a bit and then it goes back in the toy box for a few weeks.

Boys who play with guns are very unlikely to become a gun wielding maniac, just as little girls who play princesses are unlikely to become one. I for one was obsessed with my play kitchen and spent hours and hours making plastic culinary delights for my family. Now, although I do cook and aren't too bad at it, I absolutely hate doing it. I do things that are quick and easy to make.

My DD has a bow and arrow and two swords. If she asked for a gun I would buy her one. I see no problem in principle with guns; the toys don't teach aggression. DD knows not to hit anyone with her sword or to shoot arrows at people.

I would not buy her a gun that could inflict harm though; air rifle or pellet gun. That's where I draw the line. I would also be cross if DS, when he's older, gets guns as toys purely for being a boy.

To each their own.

Sirzy Wed 08-May-13 16:28:25

DS has a toy sword and loves playing Mike the Knight but I would feel uncomfy buying him a gun but really there isn't much difference so I don't know why one would make me more uncomft than the other

TeaTowelQueen Wed 08-May-13 16:31:53

I have a problem with guns because I grew up abroad in an environment where guns were everywhere (not the US though!) and we occasionally ended up in situations which were scary - my parents were intrepid travellers. I just do not like to look at them.

At no point however do I remember any army checkpoint where a cutlass or crossbow was poked through the car windows with the demand for our papers, so those I can tolerate.

I still can't stop DS being obsessed with 'shooting' the baddies and I will not make a big issue of it. Just teach them to be good people, the rest will follow (I hope...) smile

I want to know whether OP has changed her mind because of this thread.

MarinaIvy Wed 08-May-13 16:41:09

I don't like anything that looks like a "real" gun, but do admit that I bought my DS a "pirate gun" that shoots rubber-suction things at targets. But we're really rigourous about safety issues and make it clear to him that this isn't a real gun, etc.

He also has toy swords and shields, and now also bow&arrow with rubber suction ends. Same injunctions with these. One of the first things he learned was "you don't poke people who aren't holding a sword", and learnt it so well we had to "re-train" him with relevant exceptions, i.e. 1. Vikings 2. on the battlefield (kiddie Vike), 3. who happened to be holding axes or spears instead of swords.

But the swords and archery are partly because we're historical reenactors, and there's a limit to what we can have for toys in the Living History villages.

FTR, I'd buy my DD, if I had one, any of the above - no gender bigot, me!

FunnysInLaJardin Wed 08-May-13 16:44:26

we avoided guns with DS1 and then aged 4 he won an AK47 in a raffle and insisted on taking to nursery. It has been downhill ever since. DS2 has been toting toy guns since he could walk. Nowt you can do really

ll31 Wed 08-May-13 17:13:05

Had guns, swords, axes,bow and arrows,light sabers etc from age 2 I'd say. Never had issue with them, they were toys. Now,ds is 13,have archery and nerf guns, no problems.

VerySmallSqueak Wed 08-May-13 17:39:19

Of course playing with guns doesn't automatically turn kids into psychotic serial killers as adults. I think that would be an extreme stance for anyone anti toy gun to take.

I enjoy shooting and want my DC's to learn to shoot properly when the time comes.I want them to be careful,sensible, and understand the rules.

Target shooting in a safe environment is fun.
Playing at killing other people ,not so much.

Dps dad bought ds a nerf gun at christmas. Ds ate the foamy bits (he was 14 months!) He also has a big toy knife that came in an army dress up set.

I personally hate seeing wee ones with violent weapon shaped toys just as much as i hate frilly flouncy glittery crap - gender stereotyping bugs the shit out of me.

Squitten Wed 08-May-13 17:50:10

I think the only toys shaped like guns we've had so far have been water pistols.

Instead my 4yr old makes them out of Lego and sticks in the park...

lljkk Wed 08-May-13 19:43:20

My dad grew up in 1940s America so of course he had loads of toy guns as a child, watched cheap gunslinger cowboy movies for hours every Saturday; he's the biggest pro-gun control fanatic I know.

Friend was raised by civil rights activist pacifist intellectual hippies, peace niks, their sons were banned from ever owning any sort of toy gun.

The DAY he turned 18 Friend went out and bought himself a semi-automatic machine gun (America). 44yo and still quite a gun-nut. I really wish banning them worked to discourage all interest.

trianglesaregood Wed 08-May-13 20:00:45

No I haven't although it is interesting to hear people's different perspectives. I've never believed that playing with guns turns children into murderous psychopaths or increases their level of violence. My children do play with water squirters and have "swords". They don't have toy guns or knives; children playing with toy guns is different from children pretending to have a gun made of lego or whatever.
There's something I find unsettling about seeing children playing with toy guns which, sometimes to me, look quite realistic. If other parents are fine with it that's their prerogative but I haven't seen it before and was quite taken aback this morning when I saw it.

5madthings Wed 08-May-13 20:05:59

Why is a sword OK and not a gun, they are both weapons of war?

MrsMelons Wed 08-May-13 20:07:56

It does seem to be 'in-built' in boys, I have no idea where it comes from TBH. I was a SAHM with DS1 and we never had guns in the house as I never thought to buy them. He still seemed to make guns with anything he could (at age 2 or 3). Its not just the boys, when girls come to play it is the first thing they go for (along with light sabers)

When DS1 was a baby I always said I wouldn't let him have guns but actually when questioned about it I really couldn't think of a valid reason why not so they do have them now - in fact we have a weapons box. This seems pretty normal with all boys I know.

Kids in general have been playing cowboys and indians forever really and have always played with toys guns.

I must say as a rule,other than maybe water guns or nerf guns (in a big field of course) I don't let the DCs take 'weapons' out as I don't want to offend people if they don't like it.

Bookwolf32 Wed 08-May-13 20:12:51

I have an older brother who always had toy guns - even bought a replica Luger on holiday in Spain (customs was interesting, my parents hadn't known about it!). Our Grandad made us play rifles out of wood. I worked in a nursery and agree that toys guns being unavailable does not mean they won't play 'guns' - made out of any available construction toy.
Neither my brother or I have any violent tendencies now - my brother enjoys the occasional day of clay pigeon shooting, but that's as far as his interest continues.
I think it's interesting if you listen in on the play - it's usually as simple as goodies and baddies and the gun is a means of getting rid of the baddies. It never seems particularly 'violent' .
A child I knew who was allowed to watch the news at the age of 5 was a lot more interested in actual violence than any child I know who played with guns, he used to go around saying things like 'I want to chop your head off', 'My knife is going into your heart' - which I always found very disturbing.

jamdonut Wed 08-May-13 20:15:40

I never let my children have guns when they were small, as I was really not comfortable with the idea. However, lightsabres were allowed.

At school we try in vain to ban any type of gun play, but children will make a gun from anything,even writing pencils,so it is like swimming against the tide!

What I really hate is young children who have BB guns ( had to confiscate one recently from an 8 year old at school!) or access to air guns....and I know many who do - or their older brothers or fathers have them.shock

RubyGates Wed 08-May-13 20:16:17

Idiot child on bus behind me, whacked me round the head with a plastic., model AK47 yesterday. Father didn't even make him say sorry.

UniS Wed 08-May-13 20:22:01

I tolerate sword play, bow n arrow play, catapult play, and yes, gun play, BUT The gun play I tolerate is target shooting. In this house there are rules about guns ( never point at some one, never pretend to shoot a person or animal) brake those rules and the gun is taken away for the rest of the day.
I expect sometime when he is older DS will try target shooting for real , either with scouts or the local club. He may well work as a beater for a local shoot and might even shoot game for the table or clay shoot for fun.

MTSCostcoChickenFan Wed 08-May-13 20:26:18

As a kid mine had several nerf guns including the electric 20 shot drum one. Today he is at a highly ranked secondary school, plays three instruments and represents his school in multiple sports.

Too soon to tell if he is going to turn into a mass murderer but for the time being playing with guns hasn't had a negative effect on him.

SeamonkeyHasMyMoney Wed 08-May-13 20:51:46

I recently had to write an essay about an aspect of 'play' and chose war, weapon and superhero play as my topic. To begin with, I was probably against it, but all the background reading changed my mind...

It's really interesting; so many schools (and parents!) have a zero tolerance attitude to gun play, yet there are no clear, written policies from either schools or LAs to explain where this approach has come from.

There is also no evidence to suggest that playing pretend shooting games will make children any more aggressive or violent, or likely to shoot anyone for real. In actual fact, some research suggests that it can reduce aggressive behaviour, as children learn the differences between real and pretend, and are able to distingish appropriate behaviour in different situations.

Children will see shooting and violence around them; in the news, on tv, in books. Play pretend can help children make sense of what they have seen/heard, where they may not have the necessary skills to verbalise and talk about it like an adult would.

After all, its just another dimension of the fantasy and role-play that is so well recognised as having benefits for children's development. Most schools have 'role play corners' set up, so are children playing pretend outside shouting BANG BANG really much different?

I'm not saying that when I have my own classroom, I'll order in 30 toy guns for the children, but if when some of them inevitably make guns out of lego or their own fingers, I don't intend to barge in and stop thier imaginative play!

SeamonkeyHasMyMoney Wed 08-May-13 20:53:32

Eurgh, apologies for the hideous spelling and grammar there.
<must learn to slow down and proof read!>

Whatalotofpiffle Wed 08-May-13 20:57:17

I hate toy guns, killing role play, pretend shooting games, 'you're dead!' Type play...

Am a childminder and the mindees know that at my house we don't do violent games.

Whatalotofpiffle Wed 08-May-13 20:58:42

Oh god, just been reading other replies, am I too strict?

VerySmallSqueak Wed 08-May-13 21:02:16

Your house,your rules What

I imagine those who let theirs play with guns could cope with a temporary ceasefire at the childminders though grin

pigletmania Wed 08-May-13 21:07:50

Yabvu children will use ther imagination. I had a plastic rifle as a kid which shot coloured plastic discs. I describe myself as a peaceful non violent person grin

MTSCostcoChickenFan Wed 08-May-13 21:08:00

Our fathers and grandfathers probably spent a major part of their childhood playing cowboys and indians, cops and robbers and Allies v Germans. Look at what a bunch of anti social violent thugs they have become grin

SeamonkeyHasMyMoney Wed 08-May-13 21:08:07

I guess it comes down to your personal feelings piffle. No other poster can really say yes you are, or no you are not too strict.

But just out of curiosity, why do you not allow weapon play? I know you've said you hate it, but I'd be interested to know your reasons.
And how have your mindees come to know it is not acceptable in your house?

Genuine questions, rather than picking at you personally - I promise! I just find it really interesting.

Any other posters with a zero tolerance attitude are also welcome to answer my musings!

deleted203 Wed 08-May-13 21:11:08

YABU. Little boys love this kind of thing. And, as others have said, will make one out of lego, point their finger at each other, or use their imagination.

It's perfectly harmless to want to play cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, or army men, IMO.

They won't necessarily grow up to rake down their classmates with an automatic weapon because you let them have a plastic gun aged 7, you do realise?

MrsMelons Wed 08-May-13 21:18:10

Seamonkey that is exactly why I let my DCs play with guns etc - I think I just said it because it sounded like the right thing to say but I really couldn't find any proper reason to not allow it. They are really kind, lovely boys and not at all violent.

MrsMelons Wed 08-May-13 21:19:04

although my youngest did 'shoot' me with an empty water pistol when I put him to bed (against his will) tonight!

edwardsmum11 Wed 08-May-13 21:23:31

Never allowed toy guns when we grew up and son won't be allowed either.

Floggingmolly Wed 08-May-13 21:26:29

Were they Nerf guns? They're just a bit of a laugh.

hiddenhome Wed 08-May-13 21:39:15

Mine both play with guns of all kinds. Neither of them are violent, it's just play. I used to play with a gun when I was young and I'm not a serial killer.

Catmint Wed 08-May-13 21:48:30

Dd has a nerf gun, but she does target practice with it, DP chalks hilarious bad guys on our back wall.

She has several swords, an axe and shield (plastic! ) and a bloody power rangers spin sword as well. Oh and a cutlass. They are all for killing Nylock.

No toy guns here, but then I drive a car with a sticker saying 'peace' on the bonnet and the rest of it covered in flowers. I am an old hippy.

Didn't allow play fighting either. Play fighting is still fighting and it turns nasty in two blinks.

But my principals do not stretch to bows and arrows, as the broken lamp in the hall will attest blush. And Lego people were allowed to keep their weaponry.

...for fighting off dragons

selsigfach Wed 08-May-13 22:01:38

My hippie aunt banned toy guns when her boys were little. One has grown up and joined the army. She has since despaired why on earth she didn't just let him have a toy gun when he was little and get it out of his system.

I am just waiting for DS and DD to both join the army for exactly this reason, selsigfach.
If you have hippie parents, the only rebellion is to conform smile

lifelorn Wed 08-May-13 23:08:27

I stopped ds1 from any violent play or guns. At nursery he would make guns from any educational construction toy. On a visit to Disneyworld aged 10 he used all his own money to buy a toy gun, He is at this moment in camp Bastion - I hope others succeed where I failed.

thezebrawearspurple Wed 08-May-13 23:33:37

yabu, it's harmless fun.

CoolStoryBro Wed 08-May-13 23:33:47

I do love a good toy gun thread!

We live in the States, so have had to give our children some form of gun education. They know to always say no if theyre on a playdate and their friend asks them if they want to "see my Daddy's gun". They routinely have Code Red practices in school. They know, as they get older, if you see a fight break out, you get the hell out of there as you never know if one of the kids is packing. You don't stand around shouting, "Fight, fight, fight!!" There are 14 registered gun holders on my small street alone.

I honestly don't feel that allowing them to run around, shooting each other with Nerf guns, diminishes what we are teaching them. I credit my kids with enough sense to know the difference. And they do.

sashh Thu 09-May-13 04:34:58

The first toy I bought myself was a gun. It was a luger cap gun.

My parents had a no gun rule.

Are toy guns still banned in NI?

Toy guns, nerf and water pistols fine, real guns made for children, no.

MrRected Thu 09-May-13 04:55:49

Not read the whole thread, but PMSL.

My kids have made guns out of sticks, lego, wooden spoons. The world is going mad.

A nerf gun a murderer does not make.

Cookethenook Thu 09-May-13 05:01:02

I'm not nuts about toy guns, but DS will use anything as a gun or a sword (seriously, give the boy a stick and it will be a staff, a sword, a gun or a wand), so we got him a nerf at Christmas.

He's not violent with it, just uses it for target practice. Tbh, I don't see it as being any different to a water pistol or having archery lessons.

But then, we were at my parents over the weekend and DS got to try out my dad's (very old) air rifle and, weirdly, a sword that he had 'lying around' in the shed! I hardly think its going to turn him into a phsycopathic killer.

MTSCostcoChickenFan Thu 09-May-13 09:18:37

When my DS was a toddler I invited a nursery mate and his mum over. The mum saw DS's toy gun collection and made some comment about not liking her DS to be around toy guns. I never invited them around to my house thereafter.

The USA has a serious gun problem. It doesn't help that Hollywood glorifies the whole thing. I read that in some schools having the latest Glock (make of gun) has taken over from having the latest Nike trainers.

So if you was an American parent then I can understand your attitude but come on, most of us live in areas where arguing over a parking space is as violent as it gets. Playing with toy guns hasnt exactly turned out fathers or grandfathers into men insensitive to violence.

grin at the mom who thinks that her DS joined the army because she didn't let him play with toy guns as a kid.

I've never bought toy guns, but the DCs will make guns out of anything to hand. I have, however, bought DS a sword as part of a pirate costume.

I think you can teach children the difference between a toy and a real gun and that playing with toys is fine but that real guns are not toys.

shebangsthedrum Thu 09-May-13 09:54:38

I think our children our probably the first generation that it has not come natural for children to play with toy weaponary. Up until the invention of the silver screen children's play was based on what they saw adults doing and for hundreds of years that involved carrying weapons. Come the turn of the last century and the invention of visual and auditory media, childrens play copied the pirates and cowboys and futuristic style robot baddies all with their own weapons. It is only now some parents are questioning the safety of this, I really don't think that we will have less violent crime in the future thanks to 6 yr old playful pascifists today. Let their play be imaginatively unhindered, fair enough, don't buy your kid guns, but don't stop them pointing other things and pretending and don't worry about those who by 7 own a plastic arsenal, they will be ok!

Growlithe Thu 09-May-13 10:08:52

I just don't know about all this role play toys stuff.

I have 2 DDs. They went to nursery (there were no toy guns there of course) and made guns out of their fingers like the other children and said 'bcr bcr'. They grew out of it quickly because they started gravitating towards other girls as they hit school age and played those kinds of games less often.

I wouldn't have been keen to have toy guns at home, but we do allow princess dressing up, and play make up, however. Now some would say that would be equally damaging in terms of reinforcing societies view on body image etc on girls. So really I'm a bit of a hypocrite I think. We may have ended up allowing guns if we'd had boys who pushed for them.

What I would say is, I have two brothers and a sister - all over 40. The lads always got toy guns for presents, and we all played with them. My sister and I used to dress up as princesses all the time too (we didn't have the stuff you can get now of course, we 'designed' our own from old clothes).

The last thing either of my brothers would want to do now is pick up a real gun. If you saw me you would know that I'm not bothered about clothes and makeup.

I think however you play, and whatever toys you are allowed, you take your cues and values from how your parents and how they behave in real life.

Morloth Thu 09-May-13 10:10:05

We don't have anything that looks like an actual gun, ray guns/water guns etc all good.

There are times where my chikdren are in the presence of actual guns and I want no possibility for confusion.

megandraper Thu 09-May-13 10:12:44

Good post, shebangs.

We aren't particularly encouraging about toy guns, though we don't ban them. We do put the kibosh on play that's too aggressive (scaring or potentially hurting people).

50shadesofvomit Thu 09-May-13 10:21:20

Yabu if you mean Nerf guns and the sort of thing you get in toy shops. The bullets are v soft.

If you mean BB gun sort of thing yanbu.

Does your distaste stretch to swords and light sabres? In my experience its best to let them play guns and teach them how to play guns "nicely" than make it a forbidden activity that they become obsessed with.

PatPig Thu 09-May-13 10:29:56

I buy my DS as many guns as possible.

BandersnatchCummerbund Thu 09-May-13 10:38:09

No problem with toy guns, but not keen on huge machine-gun style ones. Small toy ones, fine. Same with plastic swords, foam arrows etc. I prefer them when there's room for kids to use their imaginations - symbolic rather than actual aggression.

Same with video games - 90s style Prince of Persia with cartoon knights killing monsters and baddies, fine. Violent, realistic ones (Call of Duty etc), er no.

MERLYPUSS Thu 09-May-13 13:20:34

My 2 have NErf guns, water pistols and a crappy thing that my sister bought then that makes laser sounds. If they are not playing with them they are making them form whatever is handy. I don't think it will turn them into bank robbers but I cant be sure.

DamnBamboo Thu 09-May-13 13:31:52

A toy gun is just that, a toy.
Why is this a problem?
They will make guns out of other things anyway so I really don't see the problem.

We have a few on this house (3 boys) and it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

MrsMelons Thu 09-May-13 14:04:33

I admitedly haven't read every post but further upthread the question was asked why some people have such a problem with it and from what I can see no one has actually come up with a real reason other than they 'don't like it'.

They are toys no different that any other, I had a disagreement about it with SIL and she said she didn't like my boys playing with guns, she has 1 DD, I said that its no different than her DD playing with 'girls' toys such as her baby doll, she said that it wasn't violent so I said 'well it was when she held it upside down then threw it across the room - doesn't been she will do that to her baby when she's older! She couldn't actually give a reason why it bothers her and its easy for her to say not having had boys at all.

It is absolutely not ok for children to play with any sort of real gun IMO unless they do rifle shooting at a club or something like that - I don't think the OP was meaning real weapons?!

Fecklessdizzy Thu 09-May-13 16:00:12

Mine don't have toy guns, or swords, bows, shields, spears, cutlasses, ruinously expensive little do-it-yourself wooden ballistas or home-made nerf tanks fashioned out of cunningly gaffer-taped cardboard boxes. Just to be on the safe side they don't read or watch anything with physical conflict or lots of shouting either.

In fact, I must be honest, I've pretty much had then locked in a cuboard for the last 14 years.

Fecklessdizzy Thu 09-May-13 16:02:09

In my dreams.

Fecklessdizzy Thu 09-May-13 16:03:30

them Aaargh.

PearlyWhites Thu 09-May-13 16:48:01

Yabu it doesn't mean they will grow up to be a terrorist.

VerySmallSqueak Thu 09-May-13 20:04:39

MrsMelons i think some posters have come up with what are real reasons, for them.

I think it's more a case that either you haven't seen them or you don't agree that they are real reasons( - and you're quite entitled to your POV).

apostropheuse Thu 09-May-13 21:51:41

When my son was born I vowed he would never own a toy gun. Oh no.
I changed my mind when he started creating lethal guns from broken branches, clothes pegs, lego etc.

My daughter said exactly the same when she had her son. She also relented for the same reasons I did.

I am proud to say that my grandson's thumb and forefinger make a first class gun and the sound effects he produces are very impressive. I have tried to replicate it to no avail. smile

Hulababy Thu 09-May-13 21:56:48

I don't like real-looking or replica guns. But DD has had a Nerf gun and she has had water guns too.

But I should point out that I work in an infant school and many many children at some time do make guns out of lego, Connectx (sp?), their fingers, random bits and pieces, even the children you least expect. Boys do it more, but lots of girls do too. I have to say that it surprised me when I first started working in an infant school. I didn't expect so many children to pretend with guns, but many do - way more than half!

MrsMelons Fri 10-May-13 09:17:14

I did say I haven't read all the posts and I completely except it may not be my POV which I have no issue with of course.

There is no evidence to suggest that children who play with guns are more likely to use real guns so IMO that is not a real reason.

IrritatingInfinity Fri 10-May-13 09:24:50

My DS's are now in at Uni, when they were little they were quiet and gentle boy. They never got in to fights with other kids or each other.
I still didnt believe in buying guns so I didn't. However, I did notice the FIRST things that they made out of Lego were guns. It is the way it is.......
They made things into swords or laser guns or whatever as well. Is that any better. My DD's never made guns and I am far removed fom the belief that girls should have girls toys and boys should hae boys toys.

I don't think it matters too much if they play 'guns' buti wouldn't actually buy anything that remotely looked like a real gun.

ilovexmastime Fri 10-May-13 14:59:39

Definitely in a bubble OP! I only know one mum who won't let her kids have toy guns. They're the ones who head straight to our arsenal when they come over and then proceed to shoot us in the head even though we have a no pointing at people's heads/faces rule. They just get way too over excited.

Saski Fri 10-May-13 15:13:47

I swore my boys would never have guns. My eldest would chew his toast into the shape of a gun and run around with it as a toddler. It's an unavoidable airborne disease.

I admire you if you stick to your guns (ha!) but you have to be relentless and I wouldn't judge other parents who won't commit to the same.

Quenelle Fri 10-May-13 15:23:00

DS makes guns from Lego, sticks, anything will do really.

This week he's been shooting us with all four legs at once of his plastic garden chair.

I don't mind them. I remember playing with imaginary guns 40 years ago when I was little. I'm not sure how I'd feel about a toy AK47 or something like that though.

Oblomov Fri 10-May-13 15:40:29

I am the other end of the spectrum from OP. I love toy guns, shooters, water blasters, sweet guns. Everyhting.
Spud guns, nerf guns.
I see no relation to boys who play with guns growing up into....
Many boys make guns out of fingers or anyhting else they can, if they don't have toy guns. I do not understand the opposition.

IrritatingInfinity Fri 10-May-13 15:58:03

Saski. grin at Toast Guns, My Boys did the same.

WeAllHaveWings Fri 10-May-13 16:12:14

Ds(9) plays out in the street with friends and they are regularly either playing tag with nerf foam bullet guns or soaking each other with huge water pistols. They have great fun.

Local soft play has recently started laser tag argues, where they trn off all the lights in the soft play and they are given laser guns. Ds says its awesome!

None of these guns look real as they are huge and plastic and bright coloured so don't have a problem.

Prefer these to toy swords personally as most toy swords look like swords.

UltimaThule Fri 10-May-13 16:14:45

I HATE toy weaponry. HATE HATE HATE it. People DIE because of real weapons, ffs that's not fun to me - but I remember simply not being able to take that in when I was a kid. I had cap guns, and I'm a pacifist now.
DS is currently playing with a tripod and periodically telling me what sort of weapons he's turning it into. It's desperately boring but I'm not worried I suppose.

hokeycakey Fri 10-May-13 16:37:23

Me & my siblings used to LOVE outdoing each other with our death scenes during games All that stuff is fun when you're a kid.... I really think people over think children's thought processes. I HATE any kind of violence it absolutely turns my stomach but the DCs and I have great games of chasing & shooting & swordplay etc it's fun

I know a few people who have a no guns rule even 1 parent who's 2 boys are not allowed to wear "combat trousers" yes you heard me right....
I think it's a bit ridiculous to get so wound up about it

MrsMelons Fri 10-May-13 16:46:33

People die because of real 'lots of things' but they don't due to the toy versions of things. I guess that is why I cannot understand the issue.

I do admire people who stick to their views on things like this though, if it means enough to someone and they carry it through then thats fine.

What annoys me is when people jump on the band wagon without thinking and just say they would never let their child have x, y or z without actually thinking about the reasons why/why not just because they think its the right thing to say.

Pew pew!

I had loads of toy guns as a kid. Waterpistols, cap guns, foam rocket launchers...

Now I'm a grown up and I don't have any guns. I've never shot anyone. I'm not a menace to society.

The DM must be so disappointed I turned out this way!

spidersandslugs Fri 10-May-13 17:02:39

I grew up playing with shop bought & self made (out of card, etc) toy weapons & I'm not a murderer or other criminal. Similarly I used to bottle feed my dolls as a child & have grown up to bf both dcs & am an advocate of bfing.

My son plays with toy weapons. He loves Horrible Histories, The Lord of the Rings, etc. Is interested in warfare, ancient civilization, etc... I really don't think he'll grow up to be a criminal if we guide him with proper values, etc...


IneedAsockamnesty Fri 10-May-13 17:17:51

Realistic looking toy guns are a no here as well but nerf guns not an issue.

VerySmallSqueak Sat 11-May-13 17:19:25

For me,I really don't think that having or not having toy guns relates to any gun fixation or criminal activity.

But I enjoy shooting and I do not want my DC's to see guns/rifles as toys.

They are to be used safely following the rules of the range etc etc.
Otherwise they are dangerous.

And when my DC's learn to shoot,I don't want that message diluted.

They are not toys,they are serious.

(But,FWIW,I also don't like killing games,either)

binger Sun 12-May-13 12:39:38

Here we have guns, swords and light savers (light sabers). Ds loves battling with his friends - they were all gifts btw.

When I was a little girl I had my own guns to play with.

Doesn't obviously bother me in the slightest.

k2togm1 Sun 12-May-13 13:07:26

In theory I agree with you, but as a child I loved guns! Soooo much fun to be had!!
I am now in no way violent, and am vegetarian purely for not liking the killing of animals, not for health not taste reasons.

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