to think this country isnt 'going ro rhe dogs'

(60 Posts)
Boomba Wed 08-May-13 07:06:55

going to the dogs!!!

I hate that phrase

No its not!

No denying, it isn't a time of plenty. And some people are really struggling

But, compared with what? 90% of the rest of the world, most of us here are alright

CogitoErgoSometimes Wed 08-May-13 08:00:39

YANBU. The national sport of doom and gloom grumbling does no-one any favours. If lack of consumer confidence is keeping the recession lively, a bit of optimism and 'can-do' attitude is long overdue.

BegoniaBampot Wed 08-May-13 08:02:24

suppose it depends where you live. I have a nice comfortable life in a nice place but many are very far removed from that.

herladyship Wed 08-May-13 08:02:41

YANBU

Charliefox Wed 08-May-13 08:06:46

Well I think it is in many ways. The scum of the earth are procreating in their masses, whereas the naice people are choosing to have less children. So fast forward a bit and I'm only glad that I won't be around to live through the chaos. Crime and punishment is in total disarray. Our penal system is an absolute joke. That said, whenever I'm out and about, I typically see good people who are polite, courteous, who say thank you and hold doors open etc etc, so it's not all bad.

pouffepants Wed 08-May-13 08:07:57

YANBU, that's DH's favourite phrase. It sends me nuts.

Every time it sends him into a rant about wanting to emigrate, which sends me into a mega rant about how most places are worse off.

We personally have hardly been touched by recession, but he will get in a right mood about every cut/price rise/inefficiency. To which I tell him that if he's so concerned he should help run a community group/school governors/charity/committee ie get involved. He's got no interest in doing any of these things, in fact mostly he doesn't even vote, but thinks that moaning continuously is clearly a good course of action.

SinisterBuggyMonth Wed 08-May-13 08:08:05

YAnbu

what does that phrase even mean, literally?

niceguy2 Wed 08-May-13 09:18:55

Most people's experience of life abroad is a couple of weeks on a beach somewhere in the med. Most have never ventured further and seen how life is for others.

Sure life has gotten tougher over the last few years. Like many I've not had a sniff of a payrise in over 4 years. Our bills have shot up, especially our food bill.

But my job often takes me to other countries and I see first hand how fast developing countries are growing, how much harder people are working for much less pay and see how some others are struggling. In comparison we have nothing to moan about.

Callisto Wed 08-May-13 09:22:51

I agree, but I do so wish that people in this country had more of a 'can-do' attitude than the relentless 'can't-do-anything' attitude that is so prevalent. As a country I think that we are our own worst enemy.

theodorakisses Wed 08-May-13 09:44:42

What's wrong with dogs? (as long as you pick up their poo and don't let them park in disabled spaces)

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 11:27:48

sinister that is precisely my response...

WHAT does that even MEAN????

Niceguy I suppose, I've lived abroad a fair bit and impasse are African. So maybe with that perspective, its easier to see the positives

I don't think the people that say it, even know what they mean though!!!

TheReturnoftheSmartArse Wed 08-May-13 11:29:48

Do you think that if the media suddenly started being all upbeat about the economy that we might start to feel more cheerful and positive and that things then might actually start to change for the better? <strokes chin and ponders> I sometimes think we wish misery on ourselves.

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 11:37:13

I think things are tight for a lot of people. I'm pretty much on my arse, just covering bills...and it gets me down. I know people in really bad circumstances. But I still don't think that constitutes 'going to the dogs'...or necessitates emigrating! There aren't many places where things are better.

Although, that said, I am much happier in the sunshine!

Callisto Wed 08-May-13 11:37:38

We get the media we deserve. If as a nation we weren't so doom and gloomy the media would be less misery-laden. But on the other hand if we had less gleeful reporting of a possible triple dip recession and how the economy is flatlining and how we are all essentially fucked, then yes, I think we may be a bit more cheerful.

Mandy2003 Wed 08-May-13 11:43:57

Nah, about 90% of the greyhound racing stadiums (all right, stadia!) have shut down haven't they?!

But with the Toryboys cutting benefits to vulnerable people and letting "overseas based" companies get away with paying no tax and lowering tax for millionaires it sure makes me think so sometimes.

RubyGates Wed 08-May-13 11:45:33

I think, that when you have lived in an area that has had limited crime and then in the last couple of years you witness a woman being stabbed in the phone box at the end of the road, a pizza delivery guy being mugged for his motor bike, receive letters from the police about a cache of arms and ammunition found over the wall at the other end of the road, and are living a few feet from where this happened
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/apr/18/teenager-convicted-raping-girl ,
when the area was previously a haven of elderly folk who had moved in to enjoy their retirements overlooking the park, and respectable hard-working people who had moved out of Tottenham, you do begin to wonder what is going wrong.

Things don't seem to be getting better do they?

niceguy2 Wed 08-May-13 11:47:23

Do you think that if the media suddenly started being all upbeat about the economy that we might start to feel more cheerful and positive and that things then might actually start to change for the better? <strokes chin and ponders> I sometimes think we wish misery on ourselves.

Actually I believe it would. Recessions are essentially a collapse of confidence. Put confidence back in people and the economy will go back up. Of course you can't just magic confidence, in practice you need to create the situation where people feel confident.

TheBigJessie Wed 08-May-13 11:49:59

Actually I believe it would. Recessions are essentially a collapse of confidence. Put confidence back in people and the economy will go back up. Of course you can't just magic confidence, in practice you need to create the situation where people feel confident.

Which is why this will never, ever, ever end!

FreudiansSlipper Wed 08-May-13 11:53:29

we are going through difficult times for many people

but travel and get out of the nice tourist areas and you will see we have it good and go shopping you realise that things are not expensive here

plus of course free education and health care for all, a legal system that treats men and woman as equal, we are not a country controlled by corruption, women have control over their lives, women can vote so many things we take for granted that makes all our lives better

and read up about victorian britian how difficult life was for so so many

Charliefox Wed 08-May-13 12:00:15

It's not free education and health care though, is it. Those who work and pay taxes pay for it.

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 12:00:18

ruby our areas always been crime ridden! In fact I think it has got better, of late

FreudiansSlipper Wed 08-May-13 12:05:58

i said it is free for all

it has to be funded it can not run on charity

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 12:09:48

But healthcare is available to all, free at point of service

Charliefox Wed 08-May-13 12:12:09

Well it certainly does seem to be a free-for-all, yes.

ryanboy Wed 08-May-13 12:40:19

you are not facing repossession then I guess OP? You haven't got a business which has collapsed because your customers have gone into liquidation, you are not disabled or undergoing chemo and being told you are fit for work.or You are not working fulltime in poundland for nothing?

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 12:41:36

None of those things ryan no

specialsubject Wed 08-May-13 12:42:19

no, ryanboy, but equally none of us are being shot at or bombed by our own government, we all have drinkable water and access to a toilet, and if we get ill we will be treated without paying out.

there are quite a few people in the world for whom the above do not apply.

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 12:51:30

Don't get me wrong, I hate this government and what they are doing. The inequality is sickening. We need a revolution. But all the same...

Chipstick10 Wed 08-May-13 12:52:46

Depends where you live.

Smartiepants79 Wed 08-May-13 12:55:59

I completely agree. And this has been bugging me for a while.
I know that things are not great. There are many people and families for whom things are very tough right now and I understand that in certain circumstances it is almost impossible to see the good things. However..
Healthcare for all.
Education for all.
Relatively corruption free police and government.
The safety net of the welfare state.
Freedom of speech.
I think it is foolish to keep thinking that it must be better somewhere else. It very rarely is.
The consequences of losing your house/job in this country are crap but just imagine how it would be to lose these things if you live in South Africa or India or South America.
I can moan with the best of them about cuts etc but I try very hard to never lose sight of how lucky I am to live here.

Beehatch Wed 08-May-13 13:01:18

"The scum of the earth are procreating in their masses, whereas the naice people are choosing to have less children."

shock Did you mean that seriously Charliefox?

Dawndonna Wed 08-May-13 13:01:51

The scum of the earth are procreating in their masses, hmm

FoundAChopinLizt Wed 08-May-13 13:06:05

Does anyone here think there was a time in the past where things were better in this country?

I'm no historian, but I'm not sure I'd like to go back in time, particularly as a women.

I sometimes wonder if this financial crisis might knock the whole consumerism philosophy, in that having lots of stuff makes you happy. To me, the worst answer to the recession would be to rewind ten years.

I'm not trying to minimise the suffering of people who are struggling to balance, rent, bills and food just now, I think is horrific that we have such an obscene gap between rich and poor.

However I hope we can realise in the future that our personal happiness does not depend on buying stuff, but on the quailty of our relationships and how we actually spend our time rather than our money.

theodorakisses Wed 08-May-13 14:17:08

I recently had an op in Qatar on my insurance. They gave me a breakdown of the cost to sign: swabs x 4, hypodermic needles x 2, disposable intubation x 1, disposable gas/oxygen mask x 1, 3x syringe, 1 x incontinence sheet, 1 x room, 3 x nurses, procedure x 1, porter x 2, meal x 1, cup of tea x 3, liquid meal x 1, tv in room x 1 and so on. I don't have a great deal of time for the NHS but I wish people realised what a massive privilige they have. Most of the world pay although in fairness then they are not rationed.

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 15:09:32

My SiL has a broken back and can't afford a second operation. She can't walk and is in tremendous pain

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 15:11:19

I agree Chopin

My BIL was in hospital in DH's home country in N Africa and we went to visit him regularly. Its times like that you realise what a marvelous thing the NHS is. He was provided with no food, medication once a week, no painkillers etc, a family member slept at the hospital on the floor to look after his basic needs.

At DH's family home they have running water ever other day, sometimes the lights go out for hours. There are police and military check points everywhere. Corruption is rife.

This country has its faults and some people are really struggling but getting ill won't bankrupt you with medical expenses. The police won't arrest you on a whim. If an MP fiddles their expenses they can be sent to jail.

andubelievedthat Wed 08-May-13 17:49:13

This country has absolutely no chance of paying its ever increasing debt, which is going up by £millions every day ,this country is ,a Banana Republic by any other name.

limitedperiodonly Wed 08-May-13 18:12:50

We need a revolution.

That's just silly, isn't OP? Even in my wildest fantasies about Gideon I have to rule out putting him up against a wall. I'd give him a good kicking behind one though, but only if I could get away with it.

IMO we need a stimulus to the economy and IMO the government are best placed to do that and they aren't.

But that's just my opinion. But saying things are worse in other countries is pointless. It's not a race to the bottom. Oh, hang on. ATM it is.

Am I right in thinking your SIL is in another country? Her situation sounds tragic.

Do you think it would be better if that happened to people in Britain too so they didn't get well enough to work again and pay taxes and so their entire family descended into poverty, wage depression, low consumer growth and lawlessness.

That would waste our chance of increasing the number of law-abiding consumers and producers which is the essence of Capitalism, isn't it?

PoppyWearer Wed 08-May-13 18:15:13

I agree with your OP. My DH and ILs keep banging on about it.

The economy definitely has much to answer for wrt the doom-mongering.

limitedperiodonly Wed 08-May-13 18:17:20

The economy definitely has much to answer for wrt the doom-mongering.

Sorry, what?

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 18:17:52

Sounds very familiar chaz

No of course I don't think that should happen here limited....just pointing out that 'the way things are' doesn't equate to 'going to the dogs'

I don't think capitalism, has anything else to offer us though

limitedperiodonly Wed 08-May-13 18:23:22

I'm generally okay with Capitalism boomba. What political system do you espouse?

I also don't think things 'are going to the dogs' either. Mainly because I think it's a lazy expression.

I do think things could be better. How would you do that?

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 18:25:39

Doesn't it believe? What is your prediction, of what will happen?

I'm not sure, I fully understand the implications of coming out of EU?

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 18:30:47

I don't know limited

A lot of models, seem good in theory don't they, and crap in practice

I do know that a capatilist system isn't sustainable, in the true sense.

I think the problem is probably with the people who want to lead, intrinsically?

I saw a good poster this morning...^capatalism is chaos, organise for anarchy^!!!

( I'm not an anarchist, I'm pretty sure)

MoodyDidIt Wed 08-May-13 18:40:22

"The scum of the earth are procreating in their masses, whereas the naice people are choosing to have less children."

shock Did you mean that seriously Charliefox?

^^ i know. wtf sad

helenaconhambarter Wed 08-May-13 18:50:05

The fact that so many people from all over the world want to live here and will do almost anything to get here (think man falling out of plane's undercarriage last year) just goes to show what an amazing country we must have.
Let's hope it stays that way.....

I think we have a fab country.

I always think about that lady having a baby in a hurricane up a tree when I hear people moan about the nhs and epidurals and the weather and think fuck me life's grand here!

Didactylos Wed 08-May-13 18:56:59

My grandpa notes the world's worn cogs
And says we're going to the dogs

His grandpa in his house of logs
Said things were going to the dogs

His grandpa in the Flemish bogs
Said things were going to the dogs

His grandpa in his hairy togs
Said things were going to the dogs

But this is what I wish to state.
The dogs have had an awful wait

AThingInYourLife Wed 08-May-13 18:58:05

It reads as if the dog who could say "sausages" (rhorhares) on That's Life started this thread grin

And who better than a dog to know whether a country is going to the dogs?

<new business idea - non-profit NGO selling doggy audits of your country>

marjproops Wed 08-May-13 19:00:18

just watching the queen on the news in parliament going on about helping carers/pensioners/etcv etc etd....

oh look, a flying pig.

like she and all those there know about housing/joblessness/redundancies/caring for disabled/rant rant rant rant!

(and its not cos i have pmt!!!)

this country's run by snobs FOR snobs.

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 19:08:37

didac grin

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 19:10:23

athing grin

helenaconhambarter Wed 08-May-13 19:13:32

You've only got to watch the programme "The Worst Place To Be A..."
to get some sense of how difficult life is for some people (even by their own country's standards) in other parts of the world.

I feel so fortunate to live here in the UK which despite all it's faults and problems, is a really wonderful country.

helenaconhambarter Wed 08-May-13 19:14:42

Terrible grammar - its

TigerseyeMum Wed 08-May-13 19:22:04

Did you mean to write your thread title in the style of Scooby Doo?

Ruh-roh.

limitedperiodonly Wed 08-May-13 20:06:44

So you don't actually have, like er, a theory, do you OP, capatilist (sic) whether intrinsically (wtf does that mean?) in the true sense, or not?

moody I know it's bad form but it's 'fewer children' not 'less'. You knew that, didn't you, but were too polite to say.

Meanwhile, let's spend less money on schools because wtf do people have to know how to read when they can scrape a living scavenging rubbish tips like people in other parts of the world?

Boomba Wed 08-May-13 20:23:51

Like er, no I don't. Do I need a theory to back up my assertion that the country isn't so bad? confused

marjproops Sat 18-May-13 18:11:40

i really am getting physically sick every time Smugerons face appears on tv now. seriously.

doesnt give a flying * about real people. him and his minions.

and ive NEVER been as judgy pants and full of -dont want to say hatred as its such a strong word but there IS no other word- as I am with this Gov. EVER.

pussycatwillum Sat 18-May-13 18:16:52

I'm 61 and people have been saying 'This country's going to the dogs' for as long as I can remember. Either it's a very long decline or people have a rosy view of life in the past.

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