Guardian reading middle class leftie?

(344 Posts)
Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 16:12:25

Sign in

Stand shoulder to shoulder

Out and Proud

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 16:12:46


DeepRedBetty Tue 07-May-13 16:13:39

Are we allowed if we can't stand the Guardian and prefer the Independent?

SuffolkNWhat Tue 07-May-13 16:13:41

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 16:13:59

NO NO NO Betty

Is this a new quiche?

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 16:14:54

Do two a quiche make?

Perhaps not yet.

quesadilla Tue 07-May-13 16:20:43

I'm middle class and (basically) a leftie but can't bear the Guardian. So no.

DeepRedBetty Tue 07-May-13 16:21:54

Yoo-hoo Quesadilla I'm doing tea and cakes in the next room along the corridor. <pointedly ignores Hully>

I read the guardian (online) and consider myself a leftie but I am not middle class and never will be.

Do I count?

OxfordBags Tue 07-May-13 16:22:12

That describes me!

notsoyoniface Tue 07-May-13 16:22:26

Whats wrong with the guardian?

AnythingNotEverything Tue 07-May-13 16:23:31

Me too.

You can be middle class AND a former teenage parent, right?

gindrinker Tue 07-May-13 16:24:21

Yup. Waves.

Pontouf Tue 07-May-13 16:25:02

Me! Love the Guardian and consider myself to be MC despite being slightly too poor to really count blush. Definitely a leftie.

quesadilla Tue 07-May-13 16:25:42

I hate its smug tone and in-with-the-north-Londom gang assumptions, that's what's wrong with it. I also object to taking lectures about social democracy from people who are 80 per cent plus Oxbridge and wealthy.

lambbone Tue 07-May-13 16:25:51

Me! Me! Pick me!

quesadilla Tue 07-May-13 16:26:40

And yes to tea and cakes please Betty

EauRouge Tue 07-May-13 16:29:07

Yes to all three.

BitBewildered Tue 07-May-13 16:30:42

I'm a Guardian reading leftie, but way too skint to be considered MC. I'll just loiter ...

Arkady Tue 07-May-13 16:30:43

Guardianista Pride March? I'm in.

FrancesFarmer Tue 07-May-13 16:30:58

Count me in.

It's a good newspaper. Always something interesting to read. And I'm happy with the leftie slant as the internet seems to be dominated by angry right-wingers.

Amrapaali Tue 07-May-13 16:31:27

But quesadilla its heart is in the right place. So can I sign on please?

quesadilla Tue 07-May-13 16:32:56

Middle class is a state of mind bewildered. And by the way there are several middle classes. A Telegraph reader and a Guardian reader are both (probably) middle class but worlds apart.

apatchylass Tue 07-May-13 16:35:35

I am but only by default. Guardian is so twee and annoying but DH buys it daily because he loves being the only Red in our resolutely Daily Mail village. Leftie and MC, oh yes.

DeepRedBetty Tue 07-May-13 16:36:09

Unfortunately dtds and their friends have snaffled most of the decent cakes. Only some cornflake chocolate crispies left, and they're looking a bit tired.

quesadilla Tue 07-May-13 16:36:33

Amrapaali not sure that's true. It thinks its in the right place. But there is something fundamentally dishonest about all those super privileged people (and trust me, they are), presuming to speak for the underprivileged. Not saying wealthy and privileged people can't have a social conscience and do good, but there's something particularly condescending about the Guardian currently IMHO.

Mintyy Tue 07-May-13 16:36:49

That's me! And I am middle aged too.

idiuntno57 Tue 07-May-13 16:36:55

me. I like champagne when it is bought for me too.

living the London leftie dream

Well, I'm a reader of the Guardian (we can't afford the newspapers/need the money for stuff like food or heating, but my work has tons of newspapers and asks for all to be taken home to save binning, so I happily oblige as far as the Guardian goes) and I'm a leftie and I'm not sure about MC. I am skint as hell, so I will stand on the sidelines as a 2/3er.

SuffolkNWhat Tue 07-May-13 16:38:23

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

loofet Tue 07-May-13 16:39:06

Me smile Independent reader as well though.

Me. Out and proud.

Grinkly Tue 07-May-13 16:40:36

I prefer Do-gooding middle-class lefties, more accurate imo.

Kveta Tue 07-May-13 16:41:04

I'm one.

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NicknameTaken Tue 07-May-13 16:47:03

You called?

I read the Guardian on Saturday and the next day the Sunday Times. Yes, I know.

I am confused.

Kveta Tue 07-May-13 16:47:37

shock grin Talc

UnChartered Tue 07-May-13 16:49:32

i tick most of the boxes

i might lurk

<applies stealth mode>

Amrapaali Tue 07-May-13 16:49:56

Hmmm quesadilla, I do remember some articles with a patronising tone. But I assumed it was just some chip on my shoulder on a particular issue.

Should I switch to the I? smile

UnChartered Tue 07-May-13 16:51:33

Herring care to join me on the 'not sure' bench?

<hands over chamomile tea>

AnnaFiveTowns Tue 07-May-13 16:52:17

Me! Saturday Guardian only. Takes me all week to read it. Like The Independent too though.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Tue 07-May-13 16:53:28

Me! Hello. The increasingly poncy food/cooking stuff at the weekend is starting to get my weasel though, and the truly dreadful 'fashion'.

But I loves it.

Dawndonna Tue 07-May-13 16:53:50

Here I am. Guardian Reading Leftie that doesn't like muesli and isn't currently wearing sandals.

FanjoForTheMammaries Tue 07-May-13 16:54:12

Am not that middle class. But can i come in

SuffolkNWhat Tue 07-May-13 16:55:27

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

As a dedicated cryptic crossword nut, I have to say that, in my opinion, the Guardian's offerings have the most variety, wit and style.

Exhaustipated Tue 07-May-13 16:55:52

Yup, that's me champagne socialist
I get it (Guardian not champagne) delivered to my kindle and everything. Just not the same as the proper paper version on Saturdays though...

Machli Tue 07-May-13 16:55:53

Yes not particularly middle class here either, well it's kind of confused, I am an army child what does that make me?

I am here anyway.

squoosh Tue 07-May-13 16:56:32

Bloody tree huggers!!

Always interrupting a good dogging session.

sillyoldfool Tue 07-May-13 16:56:44

I was brought up middle class but have fallen from grace spectacularly in the earnings stakes, leftie and guardian reader though, so nearly there!

ModernToss Tue 07-May-13 16:58:01

Theoretically yes, although the Guardian is annoying me sometimes these days, with its fancy lifestyle stuff. But yes, this category fits.

DeskPlanner Tue 07-May-13 16:58:07

Afternoon all. Isn't it a lovely day ?

AwkwardSquad Tue 07-May-13 16:58:23

Me, definitely. The Grauniad has stories that the rest of the mainstream media ignore. Yes they have a London bias and yes they can be really fucking annoyingly single-estate-oil-from-a-little-place-in-Perugia at times but the good far far outweighs the bad. And btw the journalists aren't all Oxbridge etc. That's a lazy assumption fed by the likes of the Torygraph etc.

shufflehopstep Tue 07-May-13 16:58:44

I'm a leftie and read Guardian online but not MC although have benefitted from the old student grant system which allowed me to go to university despite having an unemployed dad and mum who was a temp. I'm more left than the Guardian though and come from proper WC stock but suppose I now have many of the trappings of a MC life. My dad would be horrified to hear me refer to myself as MC though.grin

squoosh Tue 07-May-13 16:59:04

I like to squeeze a tear out over some article in the Family section. Sometimes it's just the old snaphot, sometimes it's the recipes........but there's always soemthing that will bring an 'awwwww' to my lips.

Then I pull myself together and go read a bit of Polly Toynbee.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Tue 07-May-13 17:00:10

PS forgot to add that I certainly wasn't brought up middle-class, although I suppose, looking at my life these days, I am now. Eeee, I've changed ...

Thanks UnChartered the not sure bench is getting pretty full probably a sign I should lose some weight and I'm allergic to chamomile hmm probably the randomest thing to be allergic to confused

UnChartered Tue 07-May-13 17:00:16

it's always been a leetle bit poncey though, one of my favourite features of the saturday magazine used to be 'what's in your fridge' blush

i still open mine sometimes and wonder what could be written about the contents grin

Sometimes I am.

Buy normally we buy I because it's shorter and cheaper, but also a decent paper (regularly broke middle class Guardian reading lefties)

I fit the criteria.

BrienneOfTarth Tue 07-May-13 17:02:27

Yes this is me... but does it count if one is ashamed of identifying as MC on the grounds that we ought to live in a classless society where MC, WC UC etc are meaningless (obviously this is utopian nonsense).

leftie, guardian reading but student and single mother rather than mc (hush, don't tell dm). can i peer in the window?

Branleuse Tue 07-May-13 17:02:35


Helenagrace Tue 07-May-13 17:03:39

Is there a pass mark for this thread?

Guardian yes (but I also read the Telegraph so maybe half a point?)
Middle class yes (1 point)
Leftie (not sure who I'd vote for right now, have voted labour, Tory and lib dem in the past (one third of a point)

So 1+0.5+0.33 = 1.83

Am I in?

UnChartered Tue 07-May-13 17:04:18

Herring how about organic green instead grin

SilverOldie Tue 07-May-13 17:05:06

True blue Telegraoh reader and it has the best crosswords.

<holds hands with Silver>

YokoUhOh Tue 07-May-13 17:08:07

Add me to the list. Champagne socialist here grin

gordyslovesheep Tue 07-May-13 17:09:40

Here Ms !

Mondrian Tue 07-May-13 17:10:06

Not sure what to make of Guardian. 30 yrs ago I considered it a leftie but not sure now ... Ok it's on the left of the Telegraph but that doesn't make it a leftie. I do however read selective sections such as world news and its definitely not left of much there. Wonder if it is actually only selectively left for marketing reasons.

YokoUhOh Tue 07-May-13 17:10:43

Fair-trade fizz, obviously. And no bubbles they give me bad guts

YokoUhOh Tue 07-May-13 17:13:00

Ooooh and I had a letter published in The Graun when I was 15 <precocious> Anyone remember the 'Jackdaw' section? No? <skulks off>

delboysfileofax Tue 07-May-13 17:13:51

Would definitely consider myself a leftie but hate the guardian. Spends far too much space on minority issues and not enough campaigning about things which effect everyone else. That and the fact it hates the white working classes. Still read comment is free though! smile

bigkidsdidit Tue 07-May-13 17:18:12


would be me but I am so utterly depressed by the comments on CIF and the horrendous misogyny (sp) that I am decamping to the independent, despite the awful banner ads

oh and Joseph Harker makes me MAD and it's not good for me

Sparhawk Tue 07-May-13 17:18:34

I'm definitely a Guardian reading lower class leftie, classy me.

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 17:20:43



(was just taken from another thread.)

UnChartered Tue 07-May-13 17:22:20

<skips in>

<trips over Berkies>

BumgrapesofWrath Tue 07-May-13 17:24:27


BumgrapesofWrath Tue 07-May-13 17:26:25

I'm glad to see this thread, I sometimes feel alone in the world!

hackmum Tue 07-May-13 17:58:16

Signing in.

bettycocker Tue 07-May-13 18:13:54

I'm also too poor to be middle class, but I am a leftie and I read the Guardian.

TheYamiOfYawn Tue 07-May-13 18:23:24

Yep, although I do sometimes read the Indie and occasionally the Telegraph. I'm even wearing Birkenstocks.

Oopla Tue 07-May-13 18:26:22

Working class hero grin

CleanYourBloodyTeeth Tue 07-May-13 18:33:32

The only GR in our village. They all love the bloody DM

sillyoldfool Tue 07-May-13 18:43:30

One of my proudest moments at the time was getting an answer published in notes and queries on postmodernism the week I graduated from my bachelors degree. I was a bit of a plonker back then...

FreudiansSlipper Tue 07-May-13 18:45:30

Guardian reader leftie

do not place myself in any class if others want to that is fine with me i find talk about class so so boring a british obsession that we need to move on from

motherinferior Tue 07-May-13 18:45:41

moi aussi

Am hoping it was one of my pieces in Guardian Family that made Squoosh teary

raisah Tue 07-May-13 18:53:06

I will sign in : - )
My dad is a Times reader!

pointythings Tue 07-May-13 19:04:30

Me! Guardian reader and regular CIF commenter. And I love How to Bake.

Hassled Tue 07-May-13 19:06:49

Oh I'm definitely in.

Look up "Guardian reading middle class leftie" in the OED and you'll see a picture of me.

limitedperiodonly Tue 07-May-13 19:14:13

I'm a lefty and can't bear the Guardian or the Independent or the Mirror, for that matter.

There are lots of reasons, principally because I think with a few exceptions, they are badly-written and badly-argued and betray voters, just as I think right-wing papers betray readers with poor arguments too.

That said, I know who I want to vote for, and I guess other people do too.

Not for the first time of asking on one of your threads: what is your point Hullygully?

Foosyerdoos Tue 07-May-13 19:14:57

Does it count if you read it online? (also read the Independent online). I prefer to think of myself as a wooly liberal (not that I am currently voting liberal at the moment, but did at the last election to my eternal shame).

ImNotCute Tue 07-May-13 19:15:40

Yep, that's me! I have Birkenstocks and eat lentils too.

We buy the guardian every Saturday, it feels all wrong if we miss it one week for some reason. No time for a paper during the week unfortunately.

catgirl1976 Tue 07-May-13 19:29:18


I think that's me. I read the Guardian and am a leftie. I expect I'm MC by most definitions

DeskPlanner Tue 07-May-13 19:36:33

I used to love that, what's in my fridge feature.

Lorialet Tue 07-May-13 19:38:46

Oh well ~ one out of three ain't bad, I suppose.

usualsuspect Tue 07-May-13 19:40:37

I don't read the guardian, I'm not MC I am a leftie though.

Mominatrix Tue 07-May-13 19:41:46

Me. However, I also read the FT, Telegraph and the NYT. Like to get a balanced viewpoint.

Right so now we're all together what's the plan? can we put shit in UKIP's letterbox?

Piemother Tue 07-May-13 19:43:13

I used to date a current guardian columnist. I'm quite middle class. I read the guardian quite a bit. I'm very leftie.

usualsuspect Tue 07-May-13 19:43:55

I'm not sure if I'm in or out though.

UterusUterusGhali Tue 07-May-13 19:45:42

Well, if we are allowed to be WC as well as a wooly, birkie-wearing, bearded leftie, then I'm in.

(Well, I'm poor, but not so poor that I'd buy anything other that maldon & clipper organic.)

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 19:45:48

"Not for the first time of asking on one of your threads: what is your point Hullygully?"

Oh the eternal imponderables limitedperiod

What is the point of your what is the point?

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 19:46:58

I'm very interested and surprised by the linking of middle-classnessness with money.

All the MC lefties I know are raving skinters.

Fairylea Tue 07-May-13 19:47:57

I read the guardian and the mail online.

Don't you all love me smile

exexpat Tue 07-May-13 19:48:09

You called?

<ticks all boxes>

<doesn't mention Economist subscriptionand FT habit because that will probably disqualify me>

EeyoreIsh Tue 07-May-13 19:48:40

a thread just for the likes of me grin

I prefer the indy apart from on a Saturday

does anyone else think that Lucy mangan and felicity Cloake would be great company. I'd love to have a few glasses of wine with them. grin

thepixiefrog Tue 07-May-13 19:49:12

Can I join in? Definitely leftie (green rather than labour or libs), and I read the guardian but prefer the I. You really couldn't fit me into any class, very varied and mixed up social ancestry.

thepixiefrog Tue 07-May-13 19:51:01

Hilly, I was a bit thrown by that too. I'd always thought of MC in terms of education.

bigTillyMint Tue 07-May-13 19:51:32

Me too!

thepixiefrog Tue 07-May-13 19:51:35

Sorry, 'Hully' bloody auto correct

bigTillyMint Tue 07-May-13 19:52:29

But are you a "worthy"?wink

UnChartered Tue 07-May-13 19:52:34

aye, that's what i meant

i didn't go to university, was edumacated at the local comp

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 19:53:39

But there's nothing to READ in the I

I read the Guardian, and I'm a Leftie, but about as far from middle class as you can be. I'd probably be described as part of the "Underclass" by the current government. hmm Oh but I'm also a secret DM reader. blush (I love the sidebar of shame).

echt Tue 07-May-13 19:54:02

Another one here, and reading the Guardian since when it was the Manchester Guardian.
Was working class then but am middle class now, but always a leftie.

decaffwithcream Tue 07-May-13 19:56:24

Guardian reading leftie and glad to have a thread to reinforce it as have had to give up muesli and lentils (low-carbing) and feet are not ready for sandals.

TiredyCustards Tue 07-May-13 19:56:54


bigkidsdidit Tue 07-May-13 19:57:03

yup we're skint

I think I'm MC because both my parents are profs. My mum claims to be WC becuase she remembers her childhood co-op number (?) DH claims to be WC because he is from Glasgow. Never mind his dad is an architect and he went to university and is a professional confused

littlepeas Tue 07-May-13 20:00:41

Yes.......but have gone off The Guardian since I made the mistake of adding the comment is free app on Facebook - couldn't bear all the sanctimonious gits commenting away, apparently just thinking whatever The Guardian had told them to think, rather than forming their own opinions. I think I should probably just not read comments, rather than this being specific to The Guardian, but it has still put me off!

thepixiefrog Tue 07-May-13 20:00:53

Ha! My df is like that too! He is the child of a doctor (DM) and a banker (df) and the grandchild of a medical chief superintendent and an engineer, but because he chose to be a mechanic and his great great uncle was a butler he is 'proudly working class'!

Catmint Tue 07-May-13 20:01:00

I read it when I can.

Happy to 'fess up to the middle class(in reduced circumstances) leftie liberal label.

Off to weave some yoghurt and other stereotypes....

Maxium12 Tue 07-May-13 20:01:14

Isn't it 'The Grauniad'?

stubbornstains Tue 07-May-13 20:02:47

*"Raving skinter"*- c'est moi!

Guardian reading single mum on benefits- but I know I'm middle class, as I know the right way to pronounce "prosciutto". grin

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 20:04:20

An infallible test, stubborn

Catmint Tue 07-May-13 20:06:38

Although I did write a very angry letter to Guardian online because they published a tongue in cheek poll about the demise of Blockbuster. I had to ask if they would have found it so funny if it had been a mine or steelworks.

Their media coverage is up its own arse self referential twaddle. IMHO.

JesusInTheCabbageVan Tue 07-May-13 20:08:58

I read the Guardian and I have hummous in the fridge. I have hummous because I'm making homemade falafels for tea on Thursday. I could go on...

limitedperiodonly Tue 07-May-13 20:11:17

What is the point of your what is the point?

Dunno. But I asked first, so...

JesusInTheCabbageVan Tue 07-May-13 20:12:19

<Having checked as it didn't look quite right> Evidently I can't spell hummus though, so I lose a point for that.

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 20:13:06

I think that as houmous is transliterated, we can allow a modicum of variation

themaltesecat Tue 07-May-13 20:13:36

Nice to have all the poor-hating, pseudo-intellectual champagne socialists in a handy list for when the revolution comes.

cleans Kalashnikov in readiness

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 20:13:42

I don't concern myself with poits, limited, only with what grasps fleetingly at my little fancy.

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 20:14:25

I meant points

I am actually deeply concerned about poits.

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 20:14:51

how sweet maltesefat

usualsuspect Tue 07-May-13 20:17:22

I'm more a cider socialist TBH

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 20:18:14

I like a drop of White Lightening while I critique Das Kapital

I don't really like champagne... is that an issue, Hulls my dear?

AwkwardSquad Tue 07-May-13 20:19:23

Champagne socialists? Prosecco, sweetie. Champagne is so nouveau.

limitedperiodonly Tue 07-May-13 20:19:55

All the MC lefties I know are raving skinters.

I would agree hullygully.

It's all relative though and it's not funny whoever you are.

So, again, what's your point?

miffybun73 Tue 07-May-13 20:20:42

Me, but I live in the North West (of England, not London) and hate muesli smile

Bluestocking Tue 07-May-13 20:21:41

Middle-class, Guardian-reading, leftie and proud. Not utterly brassic but by no means living in the lap of luxury. And not in North London.

AwkwardSquad Tue 07-May-13 20:22:09

I make my own muesli grin

miffybun73 Tue 07-May-13 20:22:19

stubbornstains Is it pro-shootoh? I'm never sure smile

themaltesecat Tue 07-May-13 20:25:26

It's just an expression. I have no doubt you spent most of you time with your head in a bucket of Lambrini.

I doubt anyone posting here is left-wing.

Why doubt we are left leaning?

OverAndAbove Tue 07-May-13 20:27:19

Middle-class, forty-something Guarduan reader here. And I work in local government. Doubly proud!

TheOldestCat Tue 07-May-13 20:29:17

Quite, themaltesecat. DH called me a Grauniad reader because I served up couscous at tea-time, rather than because of my politics. I vote Labour but spend most of my time with my head in a bucket of beer. grin

(I also have houmous in the fridge as it's the only thing DS will eat in a sarnie. It is Morrison's value houmous 'dip' though.)

themaltesecat Tue 07-May-13 20:31:16

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Labour Party are the party of choice for the bulk of "left-wing" voters in this country, are they not?

Lastofthepodpeople Tue 07-May-13 20:31:53

Leftie Guardian reader here. DH is a teacher so get to tick that box too. Don't have enough money to be middle class...

themaltesecat Tue 07-May-13 20:34:03

TheOldestCat, the presence of houmous in your fridge is excusable on those grounds. However, it's never too early to inculcate in your son a taste for the blood of enemies of the people.

idiuntno57 Tue 07-May-13 20:34:22

what's a skinter?

DewDr0p Tue 07-May-13 20:38:18

I'm in. Do I get extra points for having lived in North London? grin

ouryve Tue 07-May-13 20:38:24

I'd sign in, but I've never been sure what class I am.

According to that BBC thingy, it seems to be "Technical Middle Class"

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 20:38:41

A person what is skint, idiunt <polite>

ConstantCraving Tue 07-May-13 20:38:58

I'm in if I'm allowed; don't always get the Guardian but am a resolute Observer on Sunday reader - despite the awful fashion and depressing Nigel Slater recipes (always seems to be a variation of pork and cabbage...). Worked my way up to MC and a leftie.

Catlike Tue 07-May-13 20:39:41

Signing in.

Hand wringing, bleeding heart middle class leftie here. Although I am poor and get annoyed with their Life & Style pages for assuming that everyone reading has a massive disposable income.

limitedperiodonly Tue 07-May-13 20:41:02

It's White Lightning not Lightening, if you're that concerned.

FWIW I don't hate the poor.

Luckily, I've never been poor, though it could still happen.

However, I have enough working class-made-goodness to ask them if it would be all right they wanted me to rub shoulders with them and the humilty to stand back if they told me: 'no thanks'.

YokoUhOh Tue 07-May-13 20:41:58

Good point Dewdrop I lived in Islington for six years, next door to Neil Kinnock.

Jinsei Tue 07-May-13 20:42:42

Me. Though I don't read the Guardian as often as I'd like as I rarely find the time. Does the Observer on a Sunday count?

eminemmerdale Tue 07-May-13 20:43:14

I have finally weaned myself off the Mail blush and am toying with several papers - read the Guardian on a wednesday ( charity worker so obviously compulsory) subscribe to society guardian on fb and like the saturday, but also fiddle around with 'i' and occasionally the Mirror. Have got birkenstocks, and live in a 'shabby' house with loads of books on fashionable factual subjects, but am a little right-ish, send dd to out of catchment trendy school and dh works for the police (CSI) so not too sure where we fit in sad

EarnestDullard Tue 07-May-13 20:43:37

<raises hand> Middle class bleeding-heart liberal Guardian reader here.

Mamafratelli Tue 07-May-13 20:44:39

I am! If I was single I would love to go on a Guardian Blind Date.

idiuntno57 Tue 07-May-13 20:45:11

the definition I found said it was a witty person. I quite like the idea that my lefty leaningness means I am naturally funny.

Unfortunately the lack of cash closer to the mark.

themaltesecat Tue 07-May-13 20:52:50

Idiunt, Josef Stalin had a cracking sense of humour.

idiuntno57 Tue 07-May-13 20:55:36

did he read the Guardian?

SmiteYouWithThunderbolts Tue 07-May-13 20:56:39

Not too late to join the party, am I?

Tweasels Tue 07-May-13 20:57:50

I'm a Guardian reading leftie but I'm working class.

Waves from the sidelines.

TheOldestCat Tue 07-May-13 21:03:34

grin at themaltesecat.

themaltesecat Tue 07-May-13 21:04:42

Alas, Stalin didn't read English. He was quite partial to exploiting Western "lefties" and convincing them to write rave reviews of him, denying the existence of the famine in the Ukraine, etc. Too many examples of this to count. Even then, the chattering classes could be convinced to condone anything if you just massaged their ego a little bit.

TheVermiciousKnid Tue 07-May-13 21:06:08

Oh go on then, Hully, I'll join in. I also like lentils and muesli, try to buy organic and fairtrade etc, etc, etc. Champagne is just about the only alcohol I sort of like. Can I still join?

TheVermiciousKnid Tue 07-May-13 21:10:28

Am hoping it was one of my pieces in Guardian Family that made Squoosh teary

Ooh, I do like the Saturday Family section. So ... which one are you then, Motherinferior? <looks at Motherinferior with narrowed eyes> I do have my suspicions. <taps nose>

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen Tue 07-May-13 21:12:49

Signing in (culturally but not economically MC). I like The Grauniad and champagne and prosecco and Moscato from Aldi. I'm a Labour Party member but I am not Beatrice Webb.

ByTheSea Tue 07-May-13 21:19:19

Count me in. That said, I am not patronising and have close family and friends who are underprivileged.

idiuntno57 Tue 07-May-13 21:25:58

Would Stalin have read the Guardian if he could read English?

Was it the one with the cat helping the son with autism learn to speak? Because if so I may have cried a teeny bit when I read it.

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 21:30:16


I honestly and truly have not the faintest idea what you are on about or why you have a bee in your bonnet about whatever it is

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 21:30:38

Who d'you reckon she is, Knid?

themaltesecat Tue 07-May-13 21:34:51

idiunt, Stalin was a busy bloke. Things to do, people to exterminate. But I think he would have read the Guardian, for a bit of a chuckle. The chief difference between Soviet citizens and Western ones, I think, is that many of us believed the shite that's printed in our media, and they never did. As they used to say of their two main papers, Izvestiya ("News") and Pravda ("Truth"), 'There's no izvestiya in Pravda and no pravda in Izvestiya.'

Hassled Tue 07-May-13 21:37:33

Things wrong with the Guardian:

The ridiculous poncey recipes. I read the Recipe supplement on a Saturday purely so I can get good and apoplectic over the wankiness of it. I love a puy lentil as much as the next Guardian reader but they take the bleeding piss. Give us a good chocolate cake recipe involving things like, you know, flour and sugar and eggs rather than unicorn piss and leprauchaun flour you can only get in a little place in Clerkenwell.

And then - the male columnists who write columns largely about being male. I'm the only male in a house full of women so that's really exceptional, I'm a Gay Dad so that makes me interesting - no, fuck off. Tim Dowling however can do no wrong.

TheVermiciousKnid Tue 07-May-13 21:39:06

I couldn't possibly say, Hully. Because I'm probably wrong.

I think Stalin might have liked to take part in the Guardian blind date. Maybe he could have been paired up with Maggie T.

idiuntno57 Tue 07-May-13 21:39:08

Well then I think he is allowed to join our little band.

We bleeding heart liberal lefties are nothing if not inclusive.

Hullygully Tue 07-May-13 21:39:28

I don't like that odd little man in the House of Women.

I do like the recipes (tho am not a cooking person), went to dinner at an old mate's the other day and we had a full on Ottam Ottolenghi (whatever his bally name is) extravaganza and it was quite delicious.

Angelfootprints Tue 07-May-13 21:39:43

Neither on the left nor right.

Only really read property news as find the rest far too depressing. Oh and mindless celebrity drivel.Sorry about that.

Im just... me.

I tick all the boxes, but don't have a middle class income.

lambbone Tue 07-May-13 21:51:34

Does anyone know who Toryboy is?

ohforfoxsake Tue 07-May-13 21:56:44

And I have an Aga.
Fuck me, I am so middle class is hurts.

Inertia Tue 07-May-13 22:05:11

Yes to leftie and Guardian, can also add former teacher and make-my-own-museli to my quiche application. Oh, and actual quiche as well.

mimithemindfull Tue 07-May-13 22:05:22

Leftie for sure , teach sociology so two boxes ticked for that alone , have just done a yoga class and am now drinking camomile tea. But I read the observer on a sunday - does tnat count ?

lambbone this one?

limitedperiodonly Tue 07-May-13 22:10:58

I don't have a bee in my bonnet hully

Oscarandelliesmum Tue 07-May-13 22:21:38

Me.....but the online app cause we are poor MC.

limitedperiodonly Wed 08-May-13 08:53:20

Sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick. Sometimes I'm too humourless even for the Guardian wink

cory Wed 08-May-13 08:59:09

Happy to be counted. smile

Count me in too.

But I reserve the right to skip over anything in the Guardian written by Polly Toynbee, and regard all articles on finance or the economy as half-baked.

And to regard all its political comment as unreflectingly pro-Labour.

And to regard all its comment on Nick Clegg & the Lib Dems as childish.

Oh fuck it, I'm off to read the Telegraph.

MsJupiterJones Wed 08-May-13 09:58:48

Ooh, yes, I'm in. How super.

ephemeralfairy Wed 08-May-13 10:03:11

Card-carrying. However as I was brainwashed by leftie parents into doing a useless degree I am now stuck in a very low-paid unskilled job so I can't actually afford to buy the Guardian every day. And certainly not at weekends. Shoulda been exposed to the Sun growing up, then I'd probs be a glamour model; or the Daily Mail because then I'd be in a Hard Working Family.....

Dementedhousewife Wed 08-May-13 10:29:37

Happy to be counted here too. Guardian reading leftie and proud.

Haberdashery Wed 08-May-13 11:02:28

<stands up to be counted>

Soooo, what happens now?


Hullygully Wed 08-May-13 14:44:11

We know we are not alone.

What more do you want?


BornToFolk Wed 08-May-13 14:53:48


Well, Guardian reading and leftie certainly. I'm also vegetarian and have a Sociology degree <polishes Leftie halo>.
I also feel too poor to be proper middle class at the moment but don't really feel working class either and anyway, fretting about what class you are is v middle class so...

I'm also getting annoyed with the poncey food section, especially the articles about people's dinner parties where everyone is so MC and right-on that it actually hurts.

I`m here and in, proud to be a leftie <raises fist> (do we still do that? grin) Glad to see so many here, have been a wee bit worried over the past few weeks that the majority of MN were leaning so far to the right it was going to topple over. Have never hidden so many threads before.

ComposHat Wed 08-May-13 15:17:54

I am a guardian reading leftie but agonise pver whether I am working or middle class. Certainly mot middle class by income but probably by education. .. so the fact I am dwelling on this probably does make me middle class.

Fuck it...I'm in.

MarianneM Wed 08-May-13 15:32:34

Count me in! We even live in North London!

<raises hand>

CremeEggThief Wed 08-May-13 15:39:48

Me, but I prefer the Indy too.

Lilymaid Wed 08-May-13 15:51:43

Subscribe to the Guardian on i-Pad.
But I buy Private Eye.
I was grievously annoyed when the cashier at Waitrose tried to push a free or almost free newspaper on me recently and the only choice was DT or DM.

MarianneM Wed 08-May-13 15:59:37

We don't have much money either and don't own property BUT

We listen to classical music and jazz.

We play piano and guitar.

We had lentil and halloumi salad for dinner yesterday.

We don't have a TV.

DH wears sandals.

I BFd both DDs for nearly a year.

DH is a stay at home parent.

I am a big fan of Alan Rusbridger!

IdaBlankenship Wed 08-May-13 19:32:52

Am I late to the party... damn..
Guardian every Sat, Observer every Sun. I am partial to lentils and own some Birkies. My heart does bleed a lot and I do a fair amount of hand wringing also. Do I qualify?

rufussmum Wed 08-May-13 19:38:33

Surely you need to be a cat owner to complete the stereotype. And home-school your kids. And ride a bike with a basket on the front.

lottieandmia Wed 08-May-13 19:41:15

signing in...

usualsuspect Wed 08-May-13 19:50:50

I don't belong on this thread.

I've just been shopping in Asda.

I watch trashy tv.

I had sausage and chips for dinner.

Niceteeth Wed 08-May-13 19:53:15

All of the above! Used to read The Times though, until Murdoch took over...

AwkwardSquad Wed 08-May-13 19:56:16
BestIsWest Wed 08-May-13 20:03:17

Dear me, I accidentally picked up the Telegraph on Sunday thinking it was the Observer. Wall to wall UKIP.

IdaBlankenship Wed 08-May-13 20:24:50

I love the Guardian website as well - really great content. Also their series blogs for Mad Men and Game of Thrones are quality

Dawndonna Wed 08-May-13 20:31:24

Marianne If I find out you're my kid sister there will be trouble!

MsJupiterJones Wed 08-May-13 21:04:19

usual I was in a town with an Asda the other day so I went there as a treat. I also love real life magazines and chicken kievs. Does not stop me being a right old GRMCL. smile

impty Wed 08-May-13 21:07:45

We take the Guardian on Sat
Observer on Sun
Sunday Times
Private Eye subscription too....

Agree and disagree with bits of each!

impty Wed 08-May-13 21:08:57

but.. more in than outsmile

rufussmum Wed 08-May-13 21:14:02

So being a GRMCL is a good thing then?

Cheerfully count me in.
Not only am I all of the above but....I have a log burning stove. The Guardian recently identified this possession as the new 'socks, sandals and muesli' way to ID one of its readers.
Proper research done by a University and everything


Arisbottle Wed 08-May-13 22:10:57

I suspect most people don't just read one paper. I read Guardian, Independent, Telegraph and Mail most days and am not defined by any of them.

I know quite a few leftie types who read the Telegraph for sport and the crossword.

IdaBlankenship Wed 08-May-13 22:11:05

Ooh Northern - I have a woodburner - does that count or does it have to be a stove type thing?

Devora Wed 08-May-13 22:14:40

Signing in for duty.

brimfullofasha Wed 08-May-13 22:27:01

Me! And I'm a vegetarian!

TheOriginalSteamingNit Wed 08-May-13 22:33:24

I need to be reassured that motherinferior is not Tim Lott.

cinnamontoast Wed 08-May-13 22:34:17

Me, definitely me! Look at the sterling work the Guardian did on phone hacking. And it's the only paper to report in detail on the distressing impact of the welfare 'reforms' and the threat to the NHS.
An essential counterbalance to the overwhelmingly right-wing press (the Independent being an honourable exception).

MrsKoala Wed 08-May-13 22:36:57

I'm a Guardian reader. Born nouveau riche but i am probably considered MC 'with an edge' now. I'm leftie in that i am a socialist, but definitely not woolly or 'liberal' in any way.

Signing in.Lefty, Guardiany, peacenik here

After 25 years of marriage I am even hearing lovely lefty opinions coming from DH.... One day our votes won't cancel each other out...I still have a few more years yet

cinnamontoast Wed 08-May-13 22:38:36

Lilymaid, I actually emailed Waitrose to complain about their choice of free papers. Said there should be a political balance. They just came out with some bland customer-satisfaction guff but I kept at it till they said what I wanted to hear to make me go away got the message.
The woman on the till said I was by no mean the only one to say I wouldn't touch the DM or DT with a bargepole.

We shall overcome!
We shall overcome!
We shall overcome some daaaaaaaaaay!

Minifingers Wed 08-May-13 22:43:31

Oh yes.

I'm an absolute Guardian reading wet bloody liberal. Out and proud. grin

...and I buy TheBigIssue

Don't read it, it's mostly awful, but I do buy it, sometimes twice for the same edition

Pleasesleep Wed 08-May-13 22:48:58

<signs in>

Am I a bit late to the party?

Devora Wed 08-May-13 22:58:57

OriginalSteamingNit, motherinferior is waaay cuter than Tim Lott.

And writes more interesting features, too.

SconeRhymesWithGone Wed 08-May-13 23:21:13

Champagne socialists The equivalent term in the US is "limousine liberals" (even socialists won't call themselves socialists in the US). I am more a Toyota Liberal.

I read several UK papers online (not daily but at least weekly) to keep up with what is happening in the UK and to see how US events are being reported in the UK: the Guardian, Independent, Telegraph, Scotsman and Herald (Glasgow), and of course the odd link to the Mail on mumsnet.

I am definitely middle class as that is the only class we have in the US. wink

On our last flight to the UK, as we were eating our breakfast about an hour from landing at Heathrow, the flight attendant started down the aisle handing out newspapers, loudly (she was American) asking "Guardian or Telegraph, Guardian or Telegraph?" just as a few minutes before she had asked "coffee or tea?" So one had to declare right there and then, although many people just said, "either will do."

Anyway, count me in if Yanks are allowed (using that word in the British sense as I am a Southerner.) I should also mention as an added credential that I somewhat attribute my leftie leanings to having been partly educated in Scotland. smile

Paleodad Thu 09-May-13 09:16:26

Guardian loving, sandal wearing (when It's warm!), bleeding hearted, beard sporting, post-modernist, unapologetic leftie.
Aaaaand kids have gone to school dressed in the colours of their favourite European member state today, to celebrate Europe Day.
How'dyer like THAT ukip!

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 09:54:51

Loving the guardian here. I am nouveau pauvre, so not sure where I fit class wise.

I shop at Waitrose, get immense joy from poncy eco friendly cleaning products and eat quinoa, pulses and grow a bit of fruit and veg. No stove, just a wood burner.

On the other hand, I drive an old banger, go on holiday to France twice a year and have no solar panels.

I don't exactly enjoy a comfortable middle class lifestyle.

Amrapaali Thu 09-May-13 10:18:30

10 pages!! Warms my heart to see so many of us. With all the right-wing crap being spouted at the moment, I was beginning to despair...

NKffffffffabeee2d7X127640abcce Thu 09-May-13 12:02:14

Me too! The MNers are organising - be afraid, Mr. Cameron, be very afraid!

motherinferior Thu 09-May-13 13:48:40

<simpers at Devora>

No, I'm much less sorry for myself. ANd wear better jumpers.

BIWI Thu 09-May-13 13:52:29

Guardian-reading, card-carrying member of the Labour Party.

ProveYourLoveToMe Thu 09-May-13 13:52:47

Hello comrades.

EauRouge Thu 09-May-13 13:57:21

I'm so glad there are more of us. I'm the only pinko in a very UKIP-y village.

What now, do we form some sort of resistance?

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 14:02:51

EauRouge, I know how you feel. My local council is now UKIP. MIL stayed at the weekend she was singing UKIP's praises.

It's pretty disturbing.

We have a UKIP councillor too. I was not pleased.

Absy Thu 09-May-13 14:09:25

I'm leftie liberal, but refuse to read the f*cking grauniad as 1) they're a bit loose on checking facts and 2) they're a bit loose on checking grammar/punctuation etc.

I read the NYTimes instead.

Thingymajigs Thu 09-May-13 14:14:22

Guardian reader, leftie but not middle class as we don't earn enough. I have always enjoyed the Guardian but I stopped checking the app a couple of weeks ago when it became oddly obsessed with Gwyneth Paltrow. hmm

lottieandmia Thu 09-May-13 14:16:17

I don't earn enough to be MC either, but have MC education and hobbies.

Does money now determine whether you are MC or not?

Grammaticus Thu 09-May-13 14:19:37

See I'm struggling here. Read the grauniad for thirty five years, middle class, work for a charity, never voted Tory. But my god the grauniad is boring now, the Telegraph has much more to read and a better cryptic crossword. So I buy that and then hide it in my bag in case anyone sees me with it. And send the kids to private school. Hmmmm

Thingymajigs Thu 09-May-13 14:22:39

I don't know. A lot about me could be deemed as MC but I live in a housing association property which puts me right into the lower working class category. We should be clearly labelled to stop the confusion. grin

dotty2 Thu 09-May-13 14:23:01

Yup, me too. But did you see yesterday's letter re. children's parties, in response to Tim Lott's column at the weekend. She was spot on, and that's what's wrong with the paper - not the serious stuff, but the frivolous lifestyle stuff.

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 14:33:56

It always surprises me what people consider MC. To me driving a banger and going to France is the epitome of MC. It's those who drive a new car and go on beach holidays every year i consider WC.

Where i grew up it was a middle class, woolly liberal badge of honour to drive a banger and go camping in France, it was us arriviste capitalists who had a shiny car and 2 weeks in Tenerife.

Hullygully Thu 09-May-13 14:54:03

<wants to know who motherinferior is very much>

motherinferior Thu 09-May-13 14:56:25

I am unspeakably obscure, Hully. A working hack who's had the odd Graun piece over the years. You really wouldn't recognise my name!

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 09-May-13 14:57:19

I did cry a bit at the article in Saturday's Family section about losing a parent...

Hullygully Thu 09-May-13 14:57:31


Hullygully Thu 09-May-13 14:58:13

I cry every bloody Sat morning. Nothing like starting the weekend with a cup of tea and a blub.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 09-May-13 15:02:27

I used frequently to well up a bit at the columm which ended to allow Tim Lott his asinine self-indulgent smuggery, about the woman in the first year of single parenthood.

EauRouge Thu 09-May-13 15:05:23

Money or no money, the very fact that we are discussing whether or not we are MC makes us MC wink

SilverOldie Thu 09-May-13 15:07:14

I'm thinking of starting a project to get more true blue Tory reading Telegraph readers to join Mumsnet to balance out the left wingers. Be warned smile

squoosh Thu 09-May-13 15:07:38

I well up at the old b&w family photos and sometimes the crappy little recipes. 'Take two slices of bread, some marg and some old cat hair . . . ', but then there'll be a lovely little anecdote. 'We use to eat these in the cupboard under the stairs when the Germans were bombing our house. My mother died during one of those bombings'


TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 09-May-13 15:12:14

The recipes are always revolting!

Silver there are loads of true-blue Tories on MN - just maybe not on this thread! grin

I never see any?

ephemeralfairy Thu 09-May-13 15:32:04

MrsKoala me too!!! You have just described my childhood.

SinisterBuggyMonth Thu 09-May-13 15:43:44


Always thought I was working class but I drive a banger and went to south of france last year. I did grow up in a council estate so I still have my wc roots for reference.

I thought I was a MC guardian reading leftie, but we have a Quinny buzz 3 biggy so it turns out I'm a chav.

Who'd have thought it?... all those organic veg box deliveries have meant nothing. grin

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 15:53:34

MrsKoala Yes, I think I am following in my parent's footsteps. Old bangers and holidays to France were part of my childhood too!

Maybe my view of what MC is has been changed since I met DP. It's confused the hell out of me about whether or not I am middle class. Although I must admit to thinking that shiny new cars and beach holidays are very WC.

lottieandmia Thu 09-May-13 15:57:59

Agree, that truly 'posh' people tend to have older volvos or mercs and go to the south of France.

At our school there are a lot of try hards to look posh who are snobby about furniture and how much money people have. But the truly 'posh' families don't care whether their kids wear Ralph Lauren or feel the need to pick up their child looking as if they're going to ladies day. And as for me, I certainly don't have the time or inclination to make us look like we have money when we don't. And if people think we're worth less than they are because of that then I couldn't care less tbh because they're shallow!

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 16:04:26

Well said lottie! smile

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 16:12:41

EauRouge - i disagree, i know lots of what i would consider 'upper working class' or 'new money' (not criticisms just descriptions) people who defo discuss and consider themselves MC - it makes me laugh as it has NEVER crossed their mind they may be WC. To them, they have a new car and a new build house and earn 30k so have 'made it'. It is something i have experienced outside London - class being based on money rather than attitude. The fact they wear YSL polo shirts and their fave food is dominos/hot wings/nandos to them means they are MC - The fact they've never heard of falafel means to me they aren't.

All the MC people i know are really hard up. But it's an attitude they have. Clarks are more MC than Gucci for example.

Did you see the Grayson Perry prog on class, iirc he decided there were 2 types of middle class - the worthy liberal falafel eating guardian reader banger driver types and the DM reading, new build, expensive holiday, designer clothe types. I just consider the latter arriviste/new money - As that is what i grew up in.

Haberdashery Thu 09-May-13 16:13:16

>> the very fact that we are discussing whether or not we are MC makes us MC

In that case, perhaps I'm not MC (I didn't have a moment's doubt).

PeppermintPasty Thu 09-May-13 16:13:32

See, is it a terrible sin to be the things in the op and yet get The Torygraph a couple of times a week too for the crossword as I am sometimes a bit too dim to finish The Guardian one ? Just asking.

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 16:16:56

oooh DangerousBeanz is there a buggy class chart i could check mine on? All these years of people studying the subtle nuance of class, built up over years, layering delicately since the Feudal system, and we could have just checked our buggy's! grin

EauRouge Thu 09-May-13 16:21:16

MrsKoala, it's well-known a joke, hence the winky face. Have you never heard that one before? Maybe you're not MC enough wink (joking, obv)

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 16:23:08

Koala - I regularly buy organic falafel mix from Ocado or Waitrose. blush I even feel guilty for not making my own.

I'm actually proud to drive my old banger and not conform to the capitalist ideal. Even if I had loads of money, I'd still be a chickpea munching, scruffy git.

BIWI Thu 09-May-13 16:26:32

Oh. We've just got rid of our 12 year old banger and now have a bright, shiny new car. Does this mean I'm now working class?

<wrings hands>

BIWI Thu 09-May-13 16:28:04

.... mind you, this year we're off to France for our holibobs, so hopfully middle class status can be preserved

BIWI Thu 09-May-13 16:28:34

<sniggers at use of 'holibobs' because I know how much it winds people up>

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 16:28:40

Ha! i'm all types of common! I try to tell DH we are NOT properly MC (he defo isn't!). I think it takes a few generations so M&D's on both sides - firmly WC (slum housing, outside loo etc), us - New Money, DS - MC worthy tosspot who only wears vegan shoes and drinks mung bean juice...and probably a teacher <shudder> wink

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 16:30:11

It would be much clearer if we did away with the class system. It's too confusing.

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 16:30:28

Depends on the Holibob BIWI, if its gite, then full MC marks, if it's EuroDisney - epic fail. Sozzle (that word winds them up too smile )

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 16:31:47

Yes Betty - move to America - it's all just about the benjamins there!

BIWI Thu 09-May-13 16:31:48

Oh, friend's villa, MrsKoala! MC status definitely preserved. grin

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 16:33:00

Koala, that sounds much easier!

I love how ridiculous our class system is though. DH and I both went to private school have degrees etc, but aren't even distantly related to any kind of royal folks aka ragingly middle class. We're doing okay right now (still can't afford a holiday anywhere, even camping) but we've also been unemployed and on benefits! All that time, still middle class.

MrsPnut Thu 09-May-13 16:48:10

Reporting for GRMCL duty.

We also have a wood burner and drive old bangers.

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 16:48:44

It's taken a long time to realise that I could be MC.

This moment came, when I was sitting at outside my parent's (were both teachers) home in France, and moaning about how my local Co-op often ran out of avocados.

usualsuspect Thu 09-May-13 16:54:00

If I earned loads or won loads of money, I would never be MC.

My DP ran his own business we had a nice semi and everything. We were still WC.

I have a WC chip on my shoulder that I could never lose anyway grin

grin betty

ComposHat Thu 09-May-13 17:14:43

have a WC chip on my shoulder that I could never lose anyway

presumably with gravy and mushy peas on it.

SconeRhymesWithGone Thu 09-May-13 17:17:17

Yes Betty - move to America - it's all just about the benjamins there!

This is true to some extent, but it is much more complicated than that. The vast majority of Americans consider themselves middle class and are considered by others to be middle class. There are certainly gradations based to a large extent on income and occupation, but a factory worker (called "blue-collar") won't necessarily be living a life, or having attitudes and beliefs, very different from those of say a teacher or civil servant.

On another thread a while back about the TV show Frasier, a poster observed in passing that Frasier's dad Martin (a policeman) was working class and that Frasier (a doctor) was middle class. By UK standards, this might be true, but it is not true by US ones. They are both middle class.

This explanation is a tremedous oversimplification, I admit, but essentially true, I think.

limitedperiodonly Thu 09-May-13 17:40:15

I consider myself middle class, not because I think I'm better than anyone else, but because my lifestyle and where I live would get me laughed out of the true blue Essex town where I grew up if I tried to describe myself as working class. But that's what I was.

I will continue to vote Labour even if they put up a pig in a red rosette, but I'm on the right wing of the Labour Party because that best represents the people I've come from.

I've despised The Guardian since I grew out of my teens. And I like shiny things and new clothes.

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 17:44:35

grin betty. it's that feeling you get when you are walking round Waitrose, looking at the essentials range and laughing, and you suddenly think, 'yes, pannacotta is essential' and then you think 'oh behave you silly mare!'

We are moving to Canada and i reckon i'm going to reinvent myself as a proper lady. smile

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 17:50:03

i actually fit nowhere. When i'm with properly bourgeois people, they think of me as the help and when i'm with WC people they think of me as posh.

I was brought up in Chiswick by WC socialist cockneys (may as well have been wolves!). So i talk posh and have a 'posh' education but my opinions are WC. I fit in neither camp and am spotted as 'not one of us' by both.

limitedperiodonly Thu 09-May-13 17:54:39

I make panna cotta. Does that make me Nigella-level middle class or just someone who thinks: 'cream, vanilla essence, gelatine, that's just custard, innit?'

It's very hard being a working/middle class hybrid.

scottishmummy Thu 09-May-13 17:54:40

hell no.i refuse to be pigenholed with quinoa munching chatterat
if the rest of the guardian reading mc lefties want to be sheep good for them

meglet Thu 09-May-13 17:56:59

Signing in. I'm middle class in spirit but my bank balance isn't.

limitedperiodonly Thu 09-May-13 18:03:04

Shall we be in the same gang, mrskoala? It's not much of a gang, but I do recognise the dilemma. grin

limitedperiodonly Thu 09-May-13 18:05:27

I don't mind white quinoa but not the red so much.

That probably speaks volumes of my soft left politics.

Hullygully Thu 09-May-13 18:12:32

Will no one think of the Peruvians? <wrings hands>

Do they read the Guardian?

limitedperiodonly Thu 09-May-13 18:16:28

I think there might have been a leaflet-drop telling them who to vote for

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 18:39:24

MrsKoala, I don't ever actually go to any Waitrose rl shops, the free delivery and money off the first shop suckered me in. blush

It's crawling with UKIP supporters here. I have had to seek the solace of my quinoa and dried mixed pulses collection. sad

ProveYourLoveToMe Thu 09-May-13 18:59:12

I've never eaten quinoa. Do I have to leave the thread? Love Waitrose though.

Sheila Thu 09-May-13 19:01:37

Evening Comrades. I spent a weekend at Greenham once, back in the day. Good times!

AmberLeaf Thu 09-May-13 19:03:40

Not MC.

Read everything I can get my eyes on.

Definitely a Leftie/Socialist.

Been accused on here often of being a 'latte sipping, guardian reading, north London dwelling MC yummy mummy' for my views, if only they knew!...

Hate the assumption that my kind are either not interested in politics or are right wing, but that is probably down to my WC chip...stands next to comrade Usualsuspect

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 19:32:20

I'm in Limitedperiod - how do we do this? Shall we do a Monty Python type competition about how WC we used to be? I'll start, when i was growing up and had a very MC friend round for lunch, she asked what country my dad was from because she didn't recognise the language we spoke at home. I said he was a cockney and and she had no idea what it was confused

squoosh Thu 09-May-13 19:45:30

grin at your lovely posh friend MrsKoala

'I say Koala there's a frightfully foreign gentleman sitting at the table, I wonder where he's jolly well from'

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 19:51:39

Well at first she said 'a workman has let himself in' and i had to say no, that's my dad. She looked blush shock and then he said hello and she had a blank look on her face like she couldn't understand what he was saying but just smiled and nodded like a you would if you were a royal on a tour talking to natives. After me and him had a conversation she asked where he was from when he went out. Afterwards he asked about her and said he thought she 'seemed nice but dim' grin i didn't have the heart to tell him. He thought we were all the same sad

IdaBlankenship Thu 09-May-13 19:53:49

My dc2 piped up loudly in a pub when we ordering lunch - "mummy do they have quinoa here?". Wasn't sure whether to be grin or blush.
Not sure why he brought it up there as I think he's only eaten it once, nicked off my plate.

squoosh Thu 09-May-13 19:56:17

'a workman has let himself in'


Sounds like she'd escaped from the pages of an Enid Blyton book.

limitedperiodonly Thu 09-May-13 19:56:37

That's bad, but good MrsKoala. Where did she come from? Chiswick is very nice these days.

At 15 I was mocked all week for my gor-blimeyness by a middle class schoolfriend and her family who I accompanied on a hellish holiday to Berwick-on-Tweed.

It was a fucking holiday camp and my parents gave me more spending money than her. (Dreadfully common).

These days they'd think they were a cut above for going to the dreadful Centrecamps. BTW I got better O levels than she did. My native cunning cut them to the quick.

To reference Monty Python: I preferred Spam to ham. There wasn't any naice about it in the '70s.

limitedperiodonly Thu 09-May-13 20:01:48

Centeparcs, I mean

Boggler Thu 09-May-13 20:03:17

Does the Observer count? Don't have the time for a daily Guardian, so I make the Observer last the week smile

scottishmummy Thu 09-May-13 20:18:22

haha at mummy do they have know your mc when kid quips that
I don't like to be pigenholed or in a tribe,certainly not guardian tribe
I read a range papers Scotsman,herald,observer,times,guardian,Indy

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 21:02:55

Limited - She was either from Chiswick or Richmond most of my school friends were.

I love the sound of centrecamps, a cross between centreparcs and a Labour camp - like a holiday in the Gulag!

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 21:58:58

Centercamps. grin

I joke about being MC, but it's not like it means anything these days. Maybe it never did.

If you have to work, that would mean you are working class? hmm

Reading the Guardian might help you to become a nicer person, but the Daily Mail, not so much.

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 22:07:15

I agree about being a nicer person, when i used to buy the Guardian and read it on my way to work i felt really positive and always thought the best of people. But when i stopped cheapskate and started reading the Metro and Standard, i remember being really negative and cynical. It was really different - i'm obviously easily influenced - but i decided to stop reading them and then i suddenly felt better and less bitter and scared of innocuous stuff and people.

And Betty, no i don't have to 'work' so does that make me super posh? or a drudgy old shut in? ;)

The Guardian makes you a nicer person

That could be the new advertising slogan.

nametakenagain Thu 09-May-13 22:20:14

That is an excellent slogan

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 22:21:03

I never read the Standard or Metro, because I live in boringville. smile

Sometimes I go on the Mail's website because I can't believe it's so fucking awful and people actually think like that.

It's so bad, it's good. Some of the comments are hilarious, but some are just disturbing.

Nothing good can come of looking at the Mail, even if it is in jest! It might turn me into a Tory.

Koala, are you one of them ladies wot lunch? grin

limitedperiodonly Thu 09-May-13 22:25:40

I strongly disapprove of those people who leave the Metro and the Standard littered all over the Tube.

That's nearly all of them.

And they're vacuous Tory rags.

MrsKoala Thu 09-May-13 22:26:00

i am Betty, complete with pearls and everything!

My parents buy the mail on Sunday and i can feel my blood pressure going up as my mum reads out the articles to me while i try to ignore her. 'ere, Koala, 'ark at this, some immigrants claiming benefits got a million pound 'ouse the day the arrived in Lahndon' Me <sigh and cry and die a bit inside>

scarecrow22 Thu 09-May-13 22:37:08

Quesadilla (and Awkward) : how do you know so much about the Grauniad journos/staff. And are you referring to the reporters (presumably vast majority of "staff"), or just columnists/opinion writers?

Zombies: DM "sidebar if shame" is genius. Even if you did not coin phrase you should claim it. It is scarily addictive, though....

scottishmummy Thu 09-May-13 22:44:03

guardian readers can be so self congratulatory bout how achingly liberal they are
like saying guardian reader,and expect pause for Round of applause
stereotypical guardian reader bears no resemblance to mainstream

bettycocker Thu 09-May-13 22:48:07

Koala, so I have to doff my hat to you?

Yes, all those immigrants in their massive houses...

It's funny when it's your family. DP is now a UKIP supporter. I'm not sure how I feel about that. He thinks they will liberate us from the tyrannical clutches of the EU.

He doesn't believe that they might be a bit of a far right party.

limitedperiodonly Thu 09-May-13 23:03:21

who are ye calling a guardian reader
away wit ye an bite ye thumbs
the rest of ye can line the crapboxes of oor wee selkies w'it

FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 09-May-13 23:22:23 you read the Daily Record,Scotland's finest?

scottishmummy Thu 09-May-13 23:29:52

i don't read the daily rangers.but I love the Sunday post,associate it with being a wean and the broons

FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 09-May-13 23:33:59

I did grow up with the Sunday Post, haven't read it for years

squoosh Thu 09-May-13 23:36:30

My old flatmate used to get the Daily Record delivered every morning. She used to read out Frank Pilkington's horoscopes and Joan McWhaternames agony aunt column out every morning.

scottishmummy Thu 09-May-13 23:36:33

granny give the weans broons every year

ComposHat Thu 09-May-13 23:42:58

On the odd occasion I've glanced at the Daily Record it seems to consist of nothing but but tits, celebrities, celebrity tits, Rangers, Glasgow Gangsters, Paolo Nuttini and them more tits for good measure.

squoosh Thu 09-May-13 23:44:46

And real life stories with people doing the Daily Record sad-face tilted head pose.

FanjoForTheMammaries Thu 09-May-13 23:44:52

That's about it

Lovecat Fri 10-May-13 00:04:44

Not MC and only read online these days (skint), but leftie and would-if-I-could-afford-it-Guardian reader.

We always had the Sunday Post in my childhood, the only paper my mother considered 'suitable' for family reading (Dad was banished to the shed with his Sunday People).

I'm glad of it now, as early consumption of Oor Wullie and The Broons has enabled me to understand my Aberdonian step-MIL... (when DH can't) smile

LadyClariceCannockMonty Fri 10-May-13 11:07:22

'i actually fit nowhere. When i'm with properly bourgeois people, they think of me as the help and when i'm with WC people they think of me as posh.'

This describes me to a tee, too! Can't win.

frumpet Fri 10-May-13 12:19:50

Does it count if you only read it on a Saturday ? and if you are a media slut who also buys the Times and Yorkshire post ? Takes me all week to read the three , although i only buy the post to drool over the property section . I was born to live somewhere with a haha (sp) grin

bettycocker Fri 10-May-13 16:59:39

'i actually fit nowhere. When i'm with properly bourgeois people, they think of me as the help and when i'm with WC people they think of me as posh.'

And me as well.

Yonionekanobe Fri 10-May-13 17:24:33

Late to the party but yep.

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