To think this man is awesome

(94 Posts)
PatPig Tue 07-May-13 13:04:48
chocoluvva Tue 07-May-13 13:09:09

Man yeah!

Ohhhhhhhh YES!

PatPig Tue 07-May-13 13:10:39

Here's more of him being super awesome:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdtCEaxfT38

PatPig Tue 07-May-13 13:15:26
Tabliope Tue 07-May-13 13:19:50

I don't think what he did was "awesome" at all. He did the right thing and should be commended for that but he didn't exactly put himself out a hell of a lot. Sorry, but he was merely there at the right time and did what most would do - no extreme bravery involved. It was great he heard her and managed to get help, but I don't think that "awesome", like he had to battle the bad guys or went to any extreme lengths or anything.

NotYoMomma Tue 07-May-13 13:22:39

The second link made me chuckle, it's a tragic story and I'm glad they are free but damn that fella made me laugh

HoHoHoNoYouDont Tue 07-May-13 13:25:46

Won't be long until Hollywood have made a film about it.

NotYoMomma Tue 07-May-13 13:28:06

I think it's more the way he did it rather than what he did.

There is this dude lives near me who rides his bike to work - not a big deal.
But he rides his bike with proper swagger, he makes me chuckle and totally makes me smile, I'm always looking out for him.

It's just the way he gives the whole back story, did he really need to tell the dispatcher that he had just come back from McDonalds before he mentioned the kidnapping victim ?

Tabliope Tue 07-May-13 13:38:40

I just wouldn't use the word awesome as I'm not American. If something is awesome, it would have to inspire awe in me - but awesome seems to used for things as mundane as a roller coaster ride or a nice meal, it's so overused.

If you're referring to his character then I'd probably say he's a bit of a character and I agree he is but that's not "awesome" - funny maybe, a bit of a personality or quirky. I thought you were referring to what he'd done not what his personality is like. Just a strange use of word to me, but then I'm not American. He'll dine out on the story for many years to come I'm sure and good luck to him, he deserves that. Hope the women and kids are all fine. What a complete nightmare for them and their families.

PatPig Tue 07-May-13 13:51:06

Another person heard something from the house and did nothing.

He rescued the girl.

He is a hero, and also v. funny.

MySweetPrince Tue 07-May-13 13:55:49

Not American so wouldn't describe him as awesome......courageous yes, and in the right place at the right time. The telling part of the video for me was when he said " I knew something was really wrong when a pretty little white girl runs into a black mans arms".......

Tabliope Tue 07-May-13 13:59:52

I think the word hero is bandied about too much. He did what most decent people would do, nothing particularly heroic imo - he didn't even seem to particularly know what was going on. Awesome is a weird word to use though unless you're American. I don't want to think about whether he's funny or not - he seems a bit of a character, yes. It's those poor women I'm thinking about.

RevoltingPeasant Tue 07-May-13 14:00:33

Yes, definitely awesome! I loved the whole 'I just saw this girl going nuts'.

Or, if you are picky, 'brilliant', 'super', whatever. Goodness, who cares: you know you do get people from different cultures on this site and not all of them use exactly the same slang as you?

Perhaps I am just easily impressed, but rescuing 3 women from captivity is, to me, pretty amazing. So yeah, awesome!

PatPig Tue 07-May-13 14:02:19

It looks like he will be able to buy a whole lot of Big Macs with his FBI reward. www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap

Tabliope Tue 07-May-13 14:05:18

Yes, revoltingpeasant I do realise other people use this site, thanks for that confused. Just a completely weird word to use in this circumstance imo. Such an over used word in America anyway (do adults use it? I thought only kids would) and it wasn't clear what patpig was referring to - his actions or him. Wasn't trying to be picky. Just confused by the use of it. Sorry if Patpig is American and it's how she speaks.

WafflyVersatile Tue 07-May-13 14:05:34

McDonalds must be loving it.

RevoltingPeasant Tue 07-May-13 14:08:06

Sorry Tabliope, didn't mean to pick at you - it just seemed not really the main point of the story, and also whilst I'm sure this is not you at all, there is quite a lot of anti-Americanism on this site.

Actually quite a lot of North Americans (US & Canada) use the term in my experience, slightly tongue in cheek mostly.

NotYoMomma Tue 07-May-13 14:08:31

Adult in this county seem to be using amazeballs so we are hardly n a position to comment on the way American adults use legitimate words lol

Gotta love MN.

I say awesome all the time, I usually sing it

Tabliope Tue 07-May-13 14:13:14

I've heard my DS say awesome once - he was 8 and it was while on holiday in the US. Never heard anyone say amazeballs apart from a colleague friend who was up on trendy lingo smile Must be my age. No, you're right. It's not the main point of the story - but to me neither he. It's the women.

WafflyVersatile Tue 07-May-13 14:25:13

Lots of people in the UK use awesome in a generically great fun way rather than its official definition.

Anyway good on him for not just 'walking by' and I hope he enjoys his 15 minutes and reward. smile

everlong Tue 07-May-13 14:25:32

I love the word awesome.
That man is it.

everlong Tue 07-May-13 14:26:12

Oh and I'm not American.

Tabliope Tue 07-May-13 14:32:23

Well if you all want to sound like American teenagers that's up to you. It's the last thing I'd want to sound like.

raffle Tue 07-May-13 14:35:56

He is loving his macdonalds isn't he? smile

fuzzypicklehead Tue 07-May-13 14:38:04

The story is just gobsmacking. 10 years after she was kidnapped, and having never left that house? With a baby in tow!

Alligatorpie Tue 07-May-13 14:42:04

I am Canadian. awesome is not a word I use very often, but yes, I think that guy is pretty awesome!

Lots of people would have looked the other way, he didn't and good for him. I hope he gets his reward.

Kewcumber Tue 07-May-13 14:44:59

He did the decent thing which many don;t - he said when he got involved he thought it was a domestic violence incidence. Frightening how many people wouldn't intervene in that situation.

chocoluvva Tue 07-May-13 14:54:36

He's very cool and charming. And funny.

LifeofPo Tue 07-May-13 15:36:27

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

PatPig Tue 07-May-13 15:48:09

Why shouldn't we chuckle at him?

EldritchCleavage Tue 07-May-13 15:48:22

I agree with LifeofPo. It isn't really a funny story, is it?

LifeofPo Tue 07-May-13 15:50:34

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

You know you've lost all sense of perspective in life when you think about 'Americanisms' instead of women escaping from a dungeon.

hmm

HoneyDragon Tue 07-May-13 16:03:19

Anyone who stops and doesn't walk on by is awesome. He handed her his phone and waited with her. He didn't judge or ignore the situation - he just helped.

Tabliope Tue 07-May-13 16:03:42

How rude. I would think the sense of perspective was lost talking about the man in the first place as being awesome (in how funny he is) when the story is about the women. Which I did refer to in a post that the story was about them, not him. Of course, anyone can take the time to bitch. Get out the bed the wrong side perhaps?

Tabliope Tue 07-May-13 16:04:21

Have a hmm from me laurie

"Of course, anyone can take the time to bitch".

Oh, the irony grin

Tabliope Tue 07-May-13 16:37:02

Yes, oh the irony grin. Picking me up on my perspective when your perspective is to have a go when women have been locked up for 10 years. Hilarious!

StickEmWithThePointyEnd Tue 07-May-13 16:54:01

sad the full list of missing persons on that FBI site is harrowing. So many children and that's just in one country. So sad.

LtEveDallas Tue 07-May-13 17:04:22

I think the whole story is awesome in a frightening, incredible, shocking, harrowing and amazing way (and I'm a 41 year old white English woman).

Words are just words (and what exactly is wrong with sounding like an American teenager anyway? What's wrong with them?)

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 17:10:38

On the BBC earlier they said that a female neighbour heard the shouting, and couldn't get in so went and got another neighbour, and they still couldn't do anything so they got this bloke and between them they got the door open.

Not sure why the man's actions are so much more amazing than the actions of the women, maybe there are some other reports I missed or something.

TSSDNCOP Tue 07-May-13 17:18:18

It's amazing and fabulous that the women have been found alive. It will, I reckon, take a very, very long time for them to feel safe and well.

There must be a million questions regarding their disappearance, captors, why it took so long to find them etc.

In the meantime, the man who helped them to safety, gives an excellent account of how he came to do so. I would like to buy him a Big Mac and shake his hand.

I'm also impressed he didn't call the CNN dude a fool like he clearly wanted to grin

He is fab...I hope he enjoys the reward

chibi Tue 07-May-13 17:52:27

can someone plz clarify if tabliope is an american?

i really need to know before i can comment effectively

thanks that would be AWESOME

saintmerryweather Tue 07-May-13 17:53:58

He didnt really do anything difficult or dangerous though did he? I wouldnt call him a hero

hackmum Tue 07-May-13 17:57:17

I know everyone is very excited about this story but I think it's all terribly sad. Those women were locked up in a cellar for more than 10 years, presumably being sexually abused the whole time. One of them must have given birth alone, probably without pain relief. So I agree with LifeofPo.

creighton Tue 07-May-13 21:01:25

it's a good news story all around. 3 women found alive and an entertaining rescuer as the cherry on the top. people were cheering in the streets and at the hospital where the women were taken.

KitchenandJumble Tue 07-May-13 21:09:38

This man was a good neighbour. I would venture to suggest that is just about the best thing that any of us could ever hope to be.

The word "hero" gets bandied about far too much for my liking. But this gentleman did the right thing at the right time. That is what being a decent human being is all about.

HarrySnotter Tue 07-May-13 21:12:17

Fantastic that these women have been found and that this man did the right thing.

As for the word awesome, i can't even believe that anyone would pick up on the OPs use of a particular word. A word is a word, big deal.

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 21:15:12

It's not really a good news story all round though is it.

I kind of think that when there is some kind of incident and people are rescued against the odds before anything too bad happens to them. Like if there's an avalanche and everyone is rescued and safe.

I can't think of what these women must have gone through and feel it as good news. Yes it's good they're out but who knows what kind of state they are in. It's horrifying, to my mind.

D0GWithAYoni Tue 07-May-13 21:17:51

I think he did put himself in a potentially dangerous situation. Who knows what could have been other side of the door. Many people would have walked on for fear of not wanting to get involved.

He is indeed awesome.

HollaAtMeBaby Tue 07-May-13 21:24:33

YANBU. So many people would have thought "meh, domestic, better not get involved" and that would have been that.

And FWIW I am as English they come and actually rather posh (or so I'm told), and I say "awesome". So there.

RevoltingPeasant Tue 07-May-13 21:35:37

How perfeckly toppin' of you, Holla. wink

creighton Tue 07-May-13 21:45:21

i think it is a good story. we know the background story, the questioning, the trial will all come later. give people five minutes to be happy after 10 years of campaigning to find the missing girls (as they were).

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 21:49:06

I just can't feel happy about the story at all. It makes me feel really sad and upset.

Of course not everyone feels the same way about stuff. It just doesn't feel joyful, I just think of what they have been going through for the last 10 years.

WafflyVersatile Tue 07-May-13 21:53:31

The bad story was that they were thought dead (more than likely). The bad story was that they've spent 10 years prisoners and more. Today is good news. Complex and difficult times ahead but a dime to a dollar the balance of feeling for those girls and their families today is happy not sad.

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 21:55:22

You have no way of knowing how they are feeling though, how they will feel in years to come, how they and their children will cope.

I hope they will be OK but what they must have gone through is just so utterly horrifying I cannot find the joy in it at all.

Greythorne Tue 07-May-13 21:57:28

He is funny, articulate, charming and self-deprecating.

But this story is so harrowing, his role is very minor.

Those girls who became women in the captivity of a sociopath are the real story, and very brave and inspiring.

HollyBerryBush Tue 07-May-13 21:59:52

No one has read any further than the headlines have they?

Three girls kidnapped, abused, beaten to procure miscarriages, still born babies disposed of, one child (6) born live.

The captors daughter, ran away from home when pregnant, now doing a 25 stretch, MH issues, stabbed her own baby and commit suicide.

Not rocket science is it?

WafflyVersatile Tue 07-May-13 22:22:24

Oh well, I for one am happy that they won't be getting beaten and raped tonight.

Quite a few people on these boards have suffered horribly at the hands of abusive partners, sometimes for 10 years and more. I'm happy for them when they escape that and generally they seem to be happy they escaped too. That day of escape has been greeted joyfully on many occasions on here.

SarahAndFuck Tue 07-May-13 22:32:16

Not one person has suggested that everything is going to be all happiness from now on for these woman and that little girl.

They've been through an ordeal that is unimaginable to many of us and being glad for them that they are free, and taking pleasure in the fact that their rescuer seems like such a lovely, modest, funny and kind man, doesn't mean that we don't comprehend how awful these past ten years have been for them or how hard the years to come may still be.

I'll join Waffly in being happy for them that they are safe tonight, reunited with loved ones and hopefully getting the help and support and privacy they will need to move forward from now on.

I'd much rather the media focused on their lovely rescuer than on the women themselves now.

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 22:40:23

waffly do you really believe there are people on this thread who would rather these women were being raped and beaten tonight?

WafflyVersatile Tue 07-May-13 22:45:49

Depends, are you suggesting people on this thread are happy they've spent 10 years up until today imprisoned, raped and beaten?

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 23:04:01

No, I just find it odd to describe it as a "good news story all round".

"Good news stories" are usually the ones at the end of the news about pandas mating or a tree being saved or something. Or some kind of near miss where people could have been hurt but won't.

It's just not "good news all round" to me. It's a mixture of thank god they've been found and utter sadness at what they must have been through and concern about what the future holds and hope that they will be OK.

Certainly I would not rather they were being beaten and raped tonight and I'm at a bit of a loss as to why you would level that accusation at people who simply don't feel unreserved joy on hearing this story.

WafflyVersatile Tue 07-May-13 23:11:44

I'm not doing that any more than you are levelling accusations that people are happy they've spent 10 years before today as they have, because they are joyful at today's news. Are you doing that?

Today's news was good news. You're the one that ''can't feel happy about the story at all''. That's not any joy, let alone unreserved.

My, and I imagine other's, joy is reserved by the knowledge that they have been suffering the last 10 years. But I'm still happy with today's good news.

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 23:13:54

No I am saying that it is odd to describe this as a "good news story all round".

Would you describe it that way? Really?

And you seriously think that people who find this story upsetting rather than joyful, would prefer if they hadn't been found? I mean, really?

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 23:15:47

creighton said it was a "good news story all round"

I said that was a really odd and inaccurate way of looking at it.

you said I would rather they were being beaten and raped tonight.

There are some weird attitudes on this thread.

It is unequivocally NOT a good news story all round.

WafflyVersatile Tue 07-May-13 23:24:36

I don't get how you can't get that 3 women, thought dead were found alive is not good news.

You said you could not be joyful. I said that could because, whatever happened yesterday and the day before and before and before, it will not be happening tonight.

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 23:29:52

It is good news.

It is not "good news all round" which is what I found an odd comment. To me that means no downsides, just happy all the way. I was surprised at the poster who said that.

SarahAndFuck Tue 07-May-13 23:50:37

I don't think that poster was suggesting for one moment that the ten years those women spent locked up was good news.

She's commenting on the rescue and the particular news clip on this thread of the man who helped to rescue them, and that particular part of the story is good news, good that he and the other people overheard Amanda Berry, good that he decided to help rather than decide it was none of his business, good that he was able to get her out, give her his phone, wait with her until more help arrived and good that he then gave the police a description of the car that helped them capture the man who owned the house.

All of that is good news all around. I think you are being unfair to suggest she meant it was good news those women spent ten years locked away when it's obvious to everyone else, when she has actually clarified the point for you, that she's talking specifically about the rescue and the fact that the women are alive and now safe.

Tenacity Wed 08-May-13 03:42:10

That man was definitely awesome!
Awesome for doing something a lot of people wouldn't do.
Even here on MN, a lot of posters would not get involved in a domestic matter, in case of danger.
It's really nice that there are still some decent people, who would potentially put their neck on the line for others.

creighton Wed 08-May-13 07:09:15

sarah, thanks, as i clarified in my second post, people are taking 5 minutes to be happy. questions are already being asked about how the women held captive for 10 years in a crowded neighbourhood. yesterday was a short time of relief before the hard questions were asked. how hard is that to understand?

NiceTabard Wed 08-May-13 07:54:58

Plenty of posters are suggesting, for more than one moment, that I personally would be happier if these women were still being brutalised.

Given the fact that I can't find room to feel anything more than relief - I can't feel joy because I can't stop thinking about what has been happening with them - that seems a mean comment.

Still if that is really what people think then that's up to them I guess. You don't know me and so if you want to believe it makes me happy when people are subjected to horrendous abuse then I suppose I just have to go along with that.

SarahAndFuck Wed 08-May-13 09:23:41

"Plenty of posters are suggesting, for more than one moment, that I personally would be happier if these women were still being brutalised."

No, they are not.

chocoluvva Wed 08-May-13 10:37:22

Mr Ramsay came across to me as being in a state of shock. I'd imagine if you'd been involved in something as extraordinary as that you would be explaining, 'Well, I was doing x/y ordinary, run of the mill activity when....'

He also explained that he had previously had his suspicions about the house but was told that it was okay. So he must have had very mixed feelings - I told you so, but also regret that he didn't follow up his suspicions.

Booyhoo Wed 08-May-13 10:59:49

"The captors daughter, ran away from home when pregnant, now doing a 25 stretch, MH issues, stabbed her own baby and commit suicide."

how is she doing a 25 year sentence if she killed herself? confused

as for tabard's comment

i am happy that 3 women and a little girl didn't spend last night in captivity. i'm happy they weren't raped or beaten or starved last night.

i'm not happy about what they've been through over the last ten years but yes- it is a reason to celebrate that they have been released from their physical prison and hopefully reunited with their families. i am happy about that.

Kewcumber Wed 08-May-13 11:49:54

I found stories of the few people who survived the collapse of the twin towers uplifting and yes even joyful, I celebrated the rescue of the chilean miners.

Both were tragic events that I did not find at all amusing/joyful.

To suggest that people can only feel one emotion about an event is peculiar.

fuzzypicklehead Wed 08-May-13 21:51:43

Actually, I've just read in several articles that Charles Ramsey has pledged any reward money he receives to the women he helped rescue. One fund has raised $3,300 just today. He's a dishwasher who earns minimum wage.

I'd say that elevates him to feckin' awesome, actually.

PatPig Wed 08-May-13 22:27:53
somedayma Thu 09-May-13 01:57:05

is he still awesome? www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/cleveland-hero-charles-ramsey-8702415 Genuine question. Everyone calling him a hero, is he still a hero to you?

WafflyVersatile Thu 09-May-13 02:03:57

He wasn't a hero to me. He did a good thing, the right thing, and the interview clips were entertaining. It now appears he did some bad things too.

People, eh.

Tenacity Thu 09-May-13 03:59:28

somedayma The moral if the story is no good deed goes unpunished.
If you have done some bad things in the past, you might as well give up- don't ever help anyone.

Tenacity Thu 09-May-13 04:00:55

Moral of the story

PatPig Thu 09-May-13 09:11:25

I believe that is a problem, especially in the US - if you have done bad things in the past, it can basically fuck up your chances of ever getting a job.

SarahAndFuck Thu 09-May-13 09:17:10

I didn't call him a hero either, he's a man who has done good and bad in his life, just like everyone else. I liked him in the interviews and I think he deserves some credit for walking into a situation that not everyone would have involved themselves in.

His bad deed may be more extreme than yours, for example, but his good deed is probably more extreme too.

I'm not suggesting that the one cancels out the other, but I'd still take Charles Ramsey and his funny, charming interview over the mud-rakers who ran straight out to dig up the dirt on him.

It would be a shame to think that the next time someone needs help, the person able to provide it walks away because their personal life isn't up to scratch and they are scared of having past mistakes thrown in their face.

EldritchCleavage Thu 09-May-13 10:43:52

I agree with SarahAndFuck.

This where simplistic hero/villain stuff gets us, isn't it? Lionised beyond all proportion for one good deed, people then see him being hero-worshiped and jump to point out he isn't all that by telling people he's got a criminal record.

His crimes sound awful.But what are his chances of any kind of redemption if this is how people react to him getting attention for doing quite a good thing?

kungfupannda Thu 09-May-13 11:48:26

He did the right thing. I doubt he'd describe himself as a hero, but he saw someone in need and he helped her.

I don't see any way in which that isn't a good thing. Plenty of people would have gone back in their house and decided it was none of their business.

Booyhoo Thu 09-May-13 12:35:38

he was in the right place at the right time and made the decision most of us hope we would have made too. he didn't plan it with any agenda to make himself a hero or to gain publicity for himself. he acted to help another person in trouble when he was called upon to do so. he mightn't be the typical 'hero' we think of who runs into a burning building to save a child but in reality that guy didn't know what was behind that door or whether he was being tricked as part of some game or a set up for tv. he said himself he thought it was a domestic violence thing so he could have been walking in on a man in a violent rage or with a weapon. yes he's a big guy but he didn't know what was there. so yes, what he did- was very brave in my eyes. i dont think everyone would have done the same in that situation- even if we think we would- survival instinct kicks in and we would asses the situation wrt our own safety first.

his past behaviour is appalling. there is no doubt about that. but that does not mean he didn't do a heroic thing on monday. credit where credit is due and in this instance it is. he has served his sentence and is now 10 years clear. he has pledged his rewards to the kidnapping victims and although seems a bit of an animated character- doesn't seem to be seeking to gain from this in any way. we all have pasts that we regret and woudl do differently given the chance- we all expect to be able to move forwards and better ourselves without constantly being told " you cant be good now- you were bad once"- like i tell my children, very few people are entirely bad or entirely good- we all do good and bad things but hope overall to be able to be good. what would be the point in trying to be good if people told you you couldn't be because you were once bad?

ephemeralfairy Thu 09-May-13 12:42:23
Booyhoo Thu 09-May-13 13:05:45

oh god they're all desperate to their articles out there with a 'different' 'unseen before they pointed it out to us' aspect. i agree with some of the comments underneath it. it's odd for a child of any colour (pretty or otherwise) to run into the arms of a strange man of any colour. especially a child who had spent all six years of her life knowing only one abusive man.

Booyhoo Thu 09-May-13 13:09:39

the man wasn't making a never before spoken observation. he was playing a well known and well used tactic for humourous effect. whether he actually believed it (that a white girl running to a black man= problems) or not isn't known.

WafflyVersatile Thu 09-May-13 22:17:13

Interesting article. And you know I let out one of those explosive sneeze type laughs when I saw it too. It's funny because it's true. Humourously astute words from his experience of being a black man in America.

andubelievedthat Fri 10-May-13 08:35:06

seeing as America is very much a gun culture ,he is a coloured fella with form I would say he is a hero .That could have went spectacularly wrong for that man.

TheBigJessie Fri 10-May-13 11:07:06

Do we want a world where people continue to "walk on by" in case the press dig up their past? People are complex. They do wrong things, and good things.

Surely, the fact that he has been convicted of domestic violence, but moved to help the victim, when he thought the matter was a comparatively simple domestic violence case, is personal progress to be applauded?

Many previous perpetrators of domestic violence would always be on the side of another perpetrator, wouldn't they?

For all we know, he went to help, because he sincerely regrets his previous behaviour.

Or maybe he's still hell to live with. It doesn't matter. Because he's someone who did what was right one random day, not a politician running for office!

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