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To think 'Prince of Egypt' is just a bit sickening and not something I'd want my children to watch?

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DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 14:45:58

Sorry, but even (and especially) if you believe it really happened, the slaughter of Egypt's first-born is just horrible and not a fit subject for a children's cartoon.

The only lesson I can see being taught here is that it's okay for your enemy's innocent children to be killed so long as it benefits you and your own nation/people.

AIBU to think that there is no way this would have been deemed acceptable to be included in a children's cartoon if it weren't a biblical story?

HollyBerryBush Mon 06-May-13 14:58:47

Or giving a pretty child a poisoned apple?

Or a huntsman killing the mother dear?

Or falling asleep for 100 years?

Or being locked in a tower by a person of short stature?

Most Disney films seem to have orphans in them, bit of salacious murdering and questionable moral judgement

uncongenial Mon 06-May-13 15:01:13

I don't think that's the lesson being taught.

Plenty of similar stories not from the bible also deemed acceptable.

gordyslovesheep Mon 06-May-13 15:01:49

YABU if you don't want your kids to see it don't show it to them.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 15:08:46

Or giving a pretty child a poisoned apple?

The villain does it - in PoE, it's the supposedly all-powerful source of goodness that kills the children.

Or a huntsman killing the mother dear?

Deer, presumably? Not anywhere near on the same level as killing thousands of innocent children.

Or falling asleep for 100 years?

Again, how comparable? Do you mean it's unrealistic? If so, that's not the point.

Or being locked in a tower by a person of short stature?

Again, are you comparing this to mass murder?

Uncongenial, what is the lesson, then? That Moses' god is the best one? Well, obviously. Great. Really character-building.

CajaDeLaMemoria Mon 06-May-13 15:14:07

We studied the Prince of Egypt at school, and watched the Disney film as well as some documentaries, so they'll most likely see it anyway.

It's an interesting debate. There's plenty of things that are horrid to learn about - the holocaust springs to mind - but there is value in knowing about them, and in this case, in evaluating them. It's an excellent basis for highlighting that religion causes some horrific acts, etc.

Whether you follow religion or not, that's an important lesson, I think. Just look at Syria. Talking about it and instilling morals in your children may prevent this continuing long into the future.

caroldecker Mon 06-May-13 15:16:25

It teaches God is vengeful - approved by all monotheistic religions, so well over 50% of the world. Children need to learn of the dangers very early.

HollyBerryBush Mon 06-May-13 15:19:10

It's all about moral fortitude.

Startail Mon 06-May-13 15:22:44

I've watched the clip of that bit on Utube it's horrible

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Mon 06-May-13 15:25:14

The dangers of what? Mass infanticide?

phantomnamechanger Mon 06-May-13 15:25:45

no one HAS to watch any film, we all know that, we all pick and choose what we watch and what we allow our DC to watch, based on all sorts of personal preferences - so I don't really get the point of your OP, unless it's to stir up a religion based hornets nest?

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 15:31:59

caroldecker Wow. hmm

No, indeed, phantom, but the question is, should anyone's children watch a film where mass infanticide (thanks, puds) is uncritically presented as completely okay? The point isn't specifically religious, as most Disney films are based on myths/legends/stories from a variety of cultures.

Bogeyface Mon 06-May-13 15:37:12

The story of the Exodus is very important to many religions, not just Christianity. What would you rather they did? Knock and run on Pharaohs front door until he got fed up?

Whether you believe the story or not, it is one of the most famous parts of the most famous book in the world (not counting Harry Potter obv), and any portrayal of it must naturally include the nasty bits.

I would also draw your attention to the fact that the Pharaoh committed mass infanticide on the hebrew children and the depiction of that is far more gruesome.....men with machetes throwing dead babies into the river. Yet you dont mention that, why? Because its ok if the perceived "bad guy" is doing it?

Sparhawk Mon 06-May-13 15:37:55

Depends on how old the children are and whether you're using it as a teaching aid, or plonking them in front of it and leaving them to it. But yeah, the subject matter is pretty gruesome, same as Noah's Ark and many other Bible stories.

Well, we're Jewish so that story is an integral part of our Passover celebrations and I'm pleased we have the Disney movie (for all its inaccuracies) for the DDs to watch to help them learn and remember the story. We tend not to gloss over any of the more horrible bits of our ancient traditions/history during our holidays, whether it was us being slaughtered or others/god doing the slaughtering.

AFAIR my DD's CofE school taught the children about Herod killing all the newborn baby Jewish boys when Jesus was born as part of the Christmas story. Similar levels of infanticide.

IMO they're just stories and children aren't too bothered by them. The success of Horrible Histories is a great testament to that!

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm Mon 06-May-13 15:43:11

YABU. And,quite frankly, you sound unhinged.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 15:46:19

BUT the point is that Pharaoh and Herod committing mass infanticide is implicitly criticised because they're the "bad guys" in the story. Children are thus taught that it is a bad thing.

Are you really all saying that it's okay for cartoons to show the killing of children as a positive thing? Because that's what PoE does. It's the positive portrayal that's at issue here, not the portrayal of "bad" things in films.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 15:46:47

Why's that, Things?

What? So infanticide is only an issue if a supposedly "good" god carries it out, but okay if some bad guy does it? Is that's what's bothering you? God getting a bad rap?

Disney didn't write the story, you do realise that, right?

I found the portrayal in Prince of Egypt to be tragic, same as in the bible story. Nothing positive about it. Why do you think it's portrayed as positive?

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 15:55:59

Annie, I thought I was quite clear. If a "good" god (or character in general) does something, children are presumably being told that it is an okay thing to do, right? If a "bad" character does it, then it's a bad thing to do. Is this clear enough?

Let's imagine we were re-writing the Lion King and Scar (the BAD guy) had a few really cute cubs. Simba (the GOOD guy) calls upon his father Mufasa to slaughter all of Scar's cubs to make his life easier. That takes religion out of the equation. Now, if this were the plot, would the murder of the innocent lion cubs being committed by the good guys be appropriate in a child's film?

McBalls Mon 06-May-13 16:01:26

I haven't seen this, haven't considered it before but your reasoning for feeling uneasy seem pretty sound to me (if the film presents the story in the way you've explained).

Fluffypinkcoat Mon 06-May-13 16:03:06

Its not a Disney film.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:04:02

McBalls, this is the relevant part of the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2R07EbLjSU

I don't agree that children will get the message that it's okay to commit infanticide because they saw the good guy doing it. I would assume they would get the intended message that repeated disobedience will result in increasingly horrible punishment. I give my children enough credit that they will understand that.

The killing of the firstborn wasn't to "make life easier" for the Israelites, it was to punish Pharoah for his disobedience. Mufasa, off his own bat, deciding to kill Mufasa's cubs because he is consistently hurting the other animals of the plains and has repeatedly refused to listen when he has been told not to and punished in other, apparently ineffective, ways. It's about how Mufasa was so fucking stubborn and power-hungry that he didn't care about the consequences to his own people, not even his own son, to do the right thing and stop hurting the other other animals.

The idea is that god isn't necessarily the good guy. He's god. He makes the rules and you listen or horrible things happen. That's the message.

Sorry:

Mufasa, off his own bat (without any request from Simba, who is finding this whole argument incredibly difficult), deciding to kill Scar's cubs because he is consistently hurting the other animals of the plains.

phantomnamechanger Mon 06-May-13 16:08:23

your lion king analogy puts your point very well OP and I do see where you are coming from. But they were not writing a story to make into a kids film , the story was there and they chose to make a film based on it. I guess one has to hope that a) parents know the subject matter before they let their DC watch it, b) schools forewarn parents if they are showing it and any childrens concerns are adequately addressed

I haven't really thought about it before but my own DC would be watching that with a good background knowledge of the bible stories, and are old enough not to be scared by it.

Sparhawk Mon 06-May-13 16:09:28

What a lovely message for children, do what god says or he'll kill you. Makes me glad I'm an atheist.

gordyslovesheep Mon 06-May-13 16:10:55

I don't get your hysteria to be honest a) you must have known the story before showing it to your kids and b) that clip shows one death and hits at 3 more and shows Moses remorseful and sad - so it's hardly a celebration of child killing

gordyslovesheep Mon 06-May-13 16:11:09

hints!

Like it or not, Sparhawk (and I don't like it either and am also an atheist for pretty much that reason), that's the message which predominantly runs through the Old Testament. The New Testament message isn't any better. Only there it's the kingdom of heaven which is denied if you don't make god happy. A whole eternity of suffering instead of a quick death.

Where people get this "god is love" idea is beyond me. hmm

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:13:36

I doubt b) ever happens, phantom, unfortunately. I agree that it should.

Sparhawk Even better, he'll kill your PFB!

mrsjay Mon 06-May-13 16:14:16

*Or giving a pretty child a poisoned apple?

Or a huntsman killing the mother dear?

Or falling asleep for 100 years?

Or being locked in a tower by a person of short stature?*

Or having your uncle kill your dad and you are left to go it alone in the wilderness

or walking through the woods to grandmas then being followed by the wolf,

god the list goes on but children do realise that these are horror stories and can cope

Sparhawk Mon 06-May-13 16:14:44

So agreed Annie.

McBalls Mon 06-May-13 16:16:25

Hmm...
Watched the clip, I don't see what you described.
The murders represented by a sinister wind whipping through villages, the families are presented sleeping, cuddling together in a way to make the viewer sympathise - animators are very capable of letting the viewer know what we should be thinking about each character/situation and those children and their families were definitely not intended to be disliked by the viewer. The mothers were pretty and cuddling up contentedly with their sleeping, cute, children.

I haven't seen the rest of the film and have no desire to but from that clip I disagree that the murders were presented as a 'completely ok' and I definitely didn't get the sense this force was an 'all powerful source of goodness'.

workhouse Mon 06-May-13 16:22:08

DribbleWiper I completely agree with you.

caroldecker Mon 06-May-13 16:27:33

Annie my point exactly, the sooner children realise that God is vengeful and cruel, the sooner they will able to make up their own mind about religion. If you are selling something (religion) to children, then it should be the full story.

Whether Disney should make films based on the Bible is another question.

McBalls Mon 06-May-13 16:30:10

Besides all that I completely agree with Annie.

Fluffypinkcoat Mon 06-May-13 16:30:56

<sneaks in to repeat self>

Disney didnt make a film based on the bible.

Its just a film. People read too much into kids films sometimes.

Look at Finding Nemo characters:

Gurgle - OCD - disgusted by human mouth, ocean is contaminated
Deb - delusional about her "sister" Flo who is really just her reflection in the glass
Bubbles -neurotic about the bubbles
Gill - the hard-as-nails fish who's been there, done that, got the scar to prove it; into conspiracy theories
Crush - thrill-seeking adrenaline junkie
Bruce - shark with abandonment issues from his dad
Chum - the shark who relapsed on fish by eating his "bring a buddy" before support group
Dory - major short-term memory loss
Nemo - guilt over last words spoken to his father

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:36:12

Okay, Fluffy, let's just acknowledge that it was made by Dreamworks. Do you work for Disney?

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:38:59

SPs We're not talking GCSE Media here, it's a film where the protagonist's god wipes out the first born children of his enemy's people so that his enemy will allow the protagonist's people to go free. That's the plot, not the subtext.

Then Alice In Wonderland is obviously about a woman on a Acid trip.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:41:47

Absolutely, SPs, although she's a child, which makes it even more disturbing! grin

Dribble Its a kids film. A cartoon for children. Shit like that happened way back then. Most kids wont pick up on it. This reading into films is quite funny tbh

Dribble - it's a Bible story. As written (mostly). The plot, supposedly, was written by the hand of god himself. Would you have preferred Dreamworks to have changed the plot? They would have risked a mightly smiting!!

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:46:11

SPs Did you actually bother to read the OP? "Shit like that happened way back then"?! So it's okay, is it? And that's assuming you're treating the subject matter as historical, which I can take a completely different issue with.

I mean it happened so when making a film about Ancient Egypt its going to be added to the story. I'm not saying its ok, I'm not insane grin

You cant protect kids from everything.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:51:22

Annie No, I just think it's a really horrible story (basically, as you said upthread) to turn into a kids' film. It didn't actually occur to me until we'd got to the plagues and I remembered what was coming and then thought how utterly disgusting the 10th plague is and how completely inappropriate for a children's film (although some people on this thread seem to think it's wonderfully educational). Aren't there enough other stories for them to work from?!

Fluffypinkcoat Mon 06-May-13 16:51:45

Nope, just think the people complaining about Disney making the film should know that Disney doesn't make every single cartoon film ever and this is one of the ones they didn't make.

And Alice was a child?! I didn't know that. Underage drug taking promotion there grin

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Mon 06-May-13 16:52:48

Did it happen though? Did any of it really happen? obvious atheist

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:53:37

SPs It's not a film about Ancient Egypt (that would imply they were trying to be accurate). You can't protect kids from everything that happens in reality. You can suggest that showing the hero's god smiting innocent children and there being no criticism of it in the film (Moses looking slightly sad doesn't count, McBalls) is utterly repulsive.

Look at Hercules and the sea of souls. That was a bit creepy and all the Greek gods around. Its just films made from things that happened/were believed to have happened.

Yes its wrong but it apparently happened. I would have no issue with my son watching the film.

I'm an atheist so god to me is a made up story. No offence to those who believe.

You don't have to watch the film, your children dont have to watch it. Some of the films kids are watching now make The Prince of Egypt look like the teletubies!

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:56:52

Yes, but, SPs it's generally agreed that the Greeks' beliefs should be classed as mythology. Unfortunately, stuff from the OT is often (as you seem to think) treated as accurate and educational.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 16:57:29

Which films do you mean, SPs? Examples?

ll31 Mon 06-May-13 17:03:41

So don't let your children watch it or if they do, talk to them about it. But do explain it's a story. Really don't see this as a big issue...

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 17:06:31

puds I think they did a documentary a while back about the scientific possibility of Egypt having had a really bad year and that being the basis for the 'plagues'. Crossing the Red Sea was because it was particularly low at a certain point, possibly as a result of an earthquake (the one that got Thera, or am I making that up? Possibly). So, as ever, possibly a grain of truth.

Lastofthepodpeople Mon 06-May-13 17:10:01

I was brought up Christian (not any more) The Bible does have some awful stories, however I don't remember being affected.
Children don't tend to take them personally and generally just take stories as they come. Unfortunately, you can't shield children from all the bad stuff. Stories are the best way for children to teach the bad things in life without them being directly involved.

It's the adults I think that understand the true horror of them. DS hasn't seen Prince of Egypt but I suspect I'd be the one who'd be more affected by the scene.

That said I've just watched the clip. It is heartbreaking.

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Mon 06-May-13 17:10:22

Well i guess all stories start from something.

IncrediblePhatTheInnkeepersCat Mon 06-May-13 17:27:04

I've seen Prince of Egypt dozens of times and think that it's a very well done film. Though I was raised Catholic and knew the story from a little girl.

When I first saw it (aged 14 I think)I felt more sorry for the slaves, particularly the hieroglyphic of the babies being chucked into the mile to the waiting crocodiles. I put the blame of the children's deaths squarely on Ramases's shoulders. He was perpetuating death, torture and misery. He could see the plagues escalating and was warned something worse was coming and still he could not do the right thing. Moses even says "think of your son" as he warns him and yet he is too stubborn to.

God is not portrayed a warm, fuzzy presence of goodness. He is shown as someone who will do whatever it takes to achieve freedom for his people. Moses also shows that he is distressed by this. No one is happy it has come to this.

Having said all this, I was pleased that Dreamworks produces 'grittier' children's films. I grew up readin Hans Christian Anderson, the Brothers Grimm, Greek mythology and children's bible stories, most of which was far more disturbing/frightening for a young child.

May I suggest you read the full synopsis of films on IMDB, or watch them in advance, before showing them to your children. m.imdb.com/title/tt0120794/parentalguide this is the parental guide to this film.

IncrediblePhatTheInnkeepersCat Mon 06-May-13 17:29:27

That should be Nile, not mile, Rameses, and reading. blush

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 17:39:30

Okay, I take your point about the wall painting, Incredible, but is "an eye for an eye" in advance actually that good a lesson? It's like the Americans saying that the Japanese saw the bombing of Hiroshima coming, really, isn't it? Maybe the generals that gave that order were thinking of the story of Moses. hmm

And no, I don't think that's an OTT comparison.

gordyslovesheep Mon 06-May-13 17:42:23

pmsl but God, via Moses, warns the Pharaoh - before each plague - can't say Pharaoh fairer than that ...

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 17:45:12

Oh, so that's okay, then, gordy... hmm

I do like the pun, though. grin

gordyslovesheep Mon 06-May-13 18:07:51

it's a story - not one you have been forced at gun point to show your children so I just don't get the moral outrage!

Flobbadobs Mon 06-May-13 18:22:43

Many of us studied the biblical stories at school and church, I remember performing a (godawful) musical about Moses and the flight from Egypt in Primary school. I was Moses grin
It was presented as fact to me at church along with the slaughter of the innocents, Pauls conversion which isn't exactly a pleasant read and a passage on how to be a good wife (the book of Proverbs I think).
It's about as gruesome and unpleasant as The little matchgirl (she freezes to death surrounded by the matches she struck to keep warm), the original Red Riding Hood and the ending of Snow White where the evil stepmother dances herself to death wearing red hot shoes.
It's also about as realistic...
IMO the Brother Grimm stories are far more likely to cause nightmares than the Prince of Egypt!
YANBU to not want your children to watch it, but it could start an interesting conversation about belief maybe?

BMW6 Mon 06-May-13 18:35:08

I don't understand your outrage either OP - Dreamworks didn't write this story - it is from the Bible, so whether you believe it really happened or nor is down to one's own belief.
I've seen it, and IMO the killing of the Egyptians PFB is handled subtly, presumably to meet censorship rules.
I really don't think children would be unduly upset by that scene. Certainly no more than seeing starving children on TV just about every commercial break during the day........

As an afterthought, has it struck anyone else that the nature of God changes from the Old Testament (God of Vengeance) to the New Testament (God Is Love). Surely God is unchanging (if he exists)?

CSIJanner Mon 06-May-13 18:45:32

^Unfortunately, stuff from the OT is often (as you seem to think) treated as accurate and educational.^

Erm, not in my Catholic school it wasn't. OT are stories with some element of a historical event in them to convey the religious truth/lesson in them.

caroldecker Mon 06-May-13 20:09:12

If you take children to church then they ought to be made to watch this and the other excellent bible stories about what a great God they are worshipping

SirBoobAlot Mon 06-May-13 20:30:50

DS won't be watching it because it's historically inaccurate. There is no evidence of any of these events taking place, and the Egyptian's kept some of the most precise records of ancient times.

He's already pretty on the ball with his knowledge, I'm not going to screw it up with something so totally far from the truth.

That said, some of the music is lovely.

jamdonut Mon 06-May-13 20:33:19

But most religious stories involve an element of killing or death...even the Christmas story has Herod killing new born baby boys,when he finds out the Wise Men are off to find the Messiah!

I can remember acting in a class play to the rest of the school about the story of Moses. Nobody seemed to worry about it then.

I personally don't have a problem with it. So long as you, or the person who showed it to them, explained what was happening and the reasons for it,there shouldn't be anything to worry about.

Religion and History ARE brutal. Children usually enjoy that!

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 20:34:04

BMW6 Trying not to get into a religious debate, because that wasn't the point of my post, but you're not actually surprised that the OT and the NT aren't consistent, are you? The 'vengeful' version of god wouldn't have taken off in 1st century Rome nearly so quickly... v. 2.0 had to be much more cuddly...

Agreed, caroldecker, but I doubt the rigorous debate we'd suggest would follow.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 20:36:29

SirBoobALot Thoroughly approve! Or let him watch it and critique it for errors.

jamdonut Yeah, we discussed this upthread. The point is WHO is committing the act of infanticide and their role in the context of the film, i.e. supposed "good" deity committing horrific act and it going without comment, therefore tacitly approved. The point isn't that children need to be kept away from the nasty bits of fiction or history.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 20:37:16

Although the point loads of people made about the OT god not being "good" as such is noted and agreed with.

Bobyan Mon 06-May-13 20:47:57

Yep the idea of hearing Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey together is sickening.

SirBoobAlot Mon 06-May-13 20:57:14

Dribble he probably could wink He tutted at "Let's Play" recently because "Those aren't REAL hieroglyphs, Mummy!".

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 20:59:57

Fine boy, Boob!

jamdonut Mon 06-May-13 21:04:33

Sorry for repeating already discussed stuff...sometimes its hard to read an entire thread.blush

But wasn't "god" sending the Angel of Death as a sign of his power,because Pharoah was setting himself up as a god. This was the final act out of others which were dismissed because "Anyone could do it" ie turning Moses' staff into a snake,the plague of locusts and frogs (?) and the rivers of blood? And that no-one,even Pharoah,was exempt from it,which showed how mighty he was? And the only way round it was to put the mark in blood on the door. Only people who truly believed would do that,and therefore escape the Angel's visit.
Also, it wasn't just children ,it was ALL first born sons - so, young and old.

I don't believe there is anything wrong with this being explained to children in its context.

I am not a "believer" (though I went to church as a child),and my children have Prince of Egypt and the "Joseph" (not Andrew Lloyd Webber!) DVD (also by Dreamworks,(I think) and very similar). I let them make their own minds up about it.

DribbleWiper Mon 06-May-13 21:23:20

jamdonut I'm not sure the way you've written it out makes the whole thing any less unpleasant - even more repulsive, if anything. Also, it doesn't make sense - if a deity were omnipotent, he/she could just transport his people (although why he has so few, when he's apparently so powerful, is another issue) out of Egypt? The story is unnecessarily nasty, because it's about revenge being achieved against an oppressor.

I still maintain that if this weren't a biblical story, it wouldn't be considered an appropriate subject for a children's film. Change the names and imagine it being offered to a producer - it would be considered horrific.

Bogeyface Tue 07-May-13 15:41:54

"AIBU?"
"Yes, yes you are"
"NO I'M NOT!"

Why ask? hmm

EldritchCleavage Tue 07-May-13 16:08:26

I'm surprised you're surprised, really.

The Bible (OT) is chock-full of God-sanctioned genocide and hideous 'You will respect my authority' type acts. The Bible as tribal history-certain people are 'othered' and punished in ways that would be regarded as truly horrific in any other literary context.

It's part of the problem of monotheism: if the one God is all-powerful, he cannot also be purely merciful and loving, because that would fail to explain satisfactorily all the awful things that happen in the world.

MrsMelons Tue 07-May-13 16:50:05

I cannot see anything wrong with it at all, my 2 year old DS loved the film and has continued to watch it as he has got older, he was so interested in the bible stories he asked for a bible after that and enjoys reading it (I am not religious BTW). It is not necessarily a 'kids' film and I think it is well made.

At the end of the day you are able to decide what your children do and don't watch anyway so it doesn't really matter. The story is well known so it is obvious what the content will be.

DS was much more upset after watching Bambi and ET TBH.

Bogeyface Tue 07-May-13 17:09:42

I do think that some people assume that animation = for children when this is clearly not always the case.

The Simpsons can be ok for kids but some episodes are completely unsuitable (think of any episode where Marge and Homer are getting jiggy hmm) and I am shocked that they are shown at 6pm. Family Guy, American Dad, South Park etc are all animation and yet wholly unsuitable for kids. If you are just going let your child watch something on the basis that it is animated without checking its content first then I have limited sympathy tbh.

JazzDalek Tue 07-May-13 17:11:00

*Children don't tend to take them personally and generally just take stories as they come. Unfortunately, you can't shield children from all the bad stuff. Stories are the best way for children to teach the bad things in life without them being directly involved.

It's the adults I think that understand the true horror of them. DS hasn't seen Prince of Egypt but I suspect I'd be the one who'd be more affected by the scene.*

Broadly agree with this.

I see what you mean OP but after watching the clip, I don't think this is presented "uncritically" at all. I think the way the scene is depicted is morally ambiguous, and if anything, could inspire some good debate and critical thinking in children of six or seven upwards.

I actually remember, as an atheist child in a CofE primary school, listening to this story, told by the friendly visiting vicar grin and finding the whole business rather unsettling and confusing. All of the hideous plagues inflicted on innocent Egyptians just because of their ruler's decisions. It did make me think God wasn't such a virtuous character (and to me they were all characters - the Bible was just a storybook to me).

NiceTabard Tue 07-May-13 17:33:06

Haven't seen the film but if it's the story from the bible then loads of kids will have learnt it anyway along with a whole other bunch of gory, awful stuff.

Many religions have loads of gore in their stories.

Not sure what the problem is.

jamdonut Tue 07-May-13 18:43:21

But is it a "children's film" anyway? Just because it is animation doesn't make it so.

It is a "PG",so therefore by definition,up to you as a parent to decide. Obviously,OP you have decided it is not right. Your choice. As it was my choice to let my kids watch it several years ago.

infamouspoo Tue 07-May-13 18:55:08

How old are your kids OP? I dont think children need as much cotton wool as people think to be honest.

WillowJoinInOurCrufae Tue 07-May-13 19:30:52

I used to use it with my Year 7s when we studied Judaism. Personally I think it is a great film when it comes to telling the story of the Exodus. I find the final plague scene very emotional and moving. I think Dreamworks tackled a difficult subject matter very well.

(and 'There can be miracles' makes me cry everytime)

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