To loathe Comic Sans with a passion!

(136 Posts)
ComposHat Sat 04-May-13 07:46:12

I had to go into a local primary school last week and the first thing that struck me was the absolute dominance of Comic Sans.. it was everywhere! From the school sign, to labels and signs, every single one of them in this most loathsome of fonts???? It doesn't say 'fun and friendly' to me, it says 'ugly and inelegant.'

My dad (ex primary school teacher) uses it on emails and it drives me mad! I have to convert the text into another font before I can read the thing.

He even sends off relatively formal letters in this type (I've tried explaining that it is like writing a formal letter with a wax crayon, but he pays no heed.)

He's not the only one, when I worked for social services, 'return tpo court' letters (quite a big deal) were sent out in comic sans and a letting agent recently sent out a form for me in Comic sans - it looked child-like and amateurish and I'm having second thoughts about using them.

There's no need for it, even the most basic version of Windows has lots of beautiful fonts to use at the mere click of a mouse, yet people insist on using Comic Sans

Grrrr!

HollyBerryBush Sat 04-May-13 07:47:30

I love comic sans, it's my favourite font of all!

I do ralise that this now makes me sound like some technogeek that actually knows different fonts grin

You need this campaign:

bancomicsans.com/

KenDoddsDadsDog Sat 04-May-13 07:48:55

If someone does their autosignature in comic sans I judge them. Usually the same people who list every qualification on the same and send pictures of cats.

Euphemia Sat 04-May-13 07:49:35

Sassoon is better in schools as it's the Jolly Phonics font, but not every school has it. Comic Sans is close.

JeremyPiven Sat 04-May-13 07:51:44

yanbu

It is the font choice of people who put circles above their i's.

Purpleprickles Sat 04-May-13 07:51:47

Agree with Euphemia. Comic Sans prints the letter a correctly for those of us teaching letters and sounds. So yeah YABU.

INeedThatForkOff Sat 04-May-13 07:52:24

Vile. I share your pain. The cupcake crew can keep fucking curlz too. I like Gill Sans though, but it's not in more recent versions of Word.

CitrusyOne Sat 04-May-13 07:54:46

Comic sans is the easiest font for dyslexic children to read and is recommended by our local education authority. About 90%'of schools in my lea have level 2 or 3 dyslexia friendly status and you would expect to see most things around school produced in comic sans.

Fakebook Sat 04-May-13 07:55:10

In the days of "paint" (the only fun game on a PC) I used to draw pics of The Simpsons characters and then write "The Simpsons" at the top in Comic Sans. So I don't really have anything against it. I loathe Papyrus though.

It's useful for children who are not yet fluent readers, but there's no reason to use it with adult readers unless they have difficulties with literacy. Using it in a professional or corporate setting is unnecessary.

Thumbwitch Sat 04-May-13 07:58:02

Ah citrusy has already said it.
Yes I loathe it too and consider it highly unprofessional if used outside of a school; but apparently it is the easiest to read for people with dyslexia or other forms of reading difficulty. So it has a place.

DeafLeopard Sat 04-May-13 07:58:21

YANBU. Lots of much nicer fonts to use. For early readers surely Sassoon Primary is better. Or Century Gothic.

School newsletter comes in Comic Sans. I judge.

Satnightdropout Sat 04-May-13 07:58:44

I've once received a debt collectors letter written in Comic Sans before. Whilst I was willing to pay the £30 that they were after, I threw the letter in the bin and waited for another letter with a slightly less informal font to pay it off.

Schools aside, it should not be used. Vile, vile typeface.

(pendant alert: typeface is the family, eg Comic Sans; font is the exact version eg Comic Sans Regular 10pt)

I also sneer at anything that arrives in Times New Roman or Arial - they are the defaults and it means you didn't choose.

I like Calibri.

FannyMcNally Sat 04-May-13 08:00:29

We use sassoon in school but the HT's letters to parents and also the school website are in comic sans. Gives me a slight shiver when I see it but she obviously likes it!

knitknack Sat 04-May-13 08:00:49

We use comic sans because it's the best font (that's schools have) to use with dyslexic children.

I more 'designery' kids at school moan about it too but they stop once I show them the advice from the dyslexia specialists.

Some explanation here about why it is used so much in primary schools:

www.dougwoods.co.uk/blog/why-teachers-should-learn-to-love-comic-sans/

If there were more free fonts that matched handwritten letter formation, then it wouldn't need to be so ubiquitous.

knitknack Sat 04-May-13 08:01:59

I use calibri for GCSE stuff where I have no dyslexic students! < preens >

Euphemia Sat 04-May-13 08:03:10

Not all versions of Word come with Sassoon, and maybe the school can't afford to/does not want to buy it?

We're told by the local authority which font to print everything in, incuding our email font. hmm It's just changed and I can't remember which one it is. As I'm largely ignoring the edict.

CitrusyOne Sat 04-May-13 08:07:14

I agree that outside schools it doesn't have a place, and that 'official' letters shouldn't be written in comic sans.

ComposHat Sat 04-May-13 08:07:20

I Need

Gill Sans is one of my favourite fonts, quite distressed to hear in isn't on more recent versions of Word as it is my default for on screen use.

I also like Century Schoolbook for printed material and Bodoni and Garamond are quite nice for printed stuff too.

Rockwell is my favourite for titles and Powerpoint and Courier for emails (as it has a pleasingly retro appearance)

Papyrus is the only font that I loathe more than Comic Sans and has no place (except for a school project on the Egyptians)

Purple as a teaching aid in worksheets then fair enough, but there's no need for every fucking sign, notice etc. to be in such a shite and inappropriate font, including those aimed at adult visitors.

Thumbwitch Sat 04-May-13 08:09:18

But there is - do you think dyslexia just stops when people leave school?

VenetiaLanyon Sat 04-May-13 08:11:31

YA so NBU. It is patronisation incarnate.

Panzee Sat 04-May-13 08:13:07

It's a font. It's not rabies. Chill. grin

Meringue33 Sat 04-May-13 08:14:45

There is a vg film called Helvetica

ComposHat Sat 04-May-13 08:21:35

I've been Googling and the British Dyslexia Association doesn't recommend Comic Sans above and beyond all others, it recommends:

'a plain, evenly spaced sans serif font such as Arial and Comic Sans. Alternatives include Verdana, Tahoma, Century Gothic, Trebuchet'

I know it is only a font, but it is one that is wildly inappropriate in most contexts, a bit like wearing dirty trainers to a funeral.

People will judge you for using it in formal/semi-formal contexts, it just screams 'I am a slovenly twat who takes take no pride in what I've just written'

MardyBra Sat 04-May-13 08:25:16
BIWI Sat 04-May-13 08:26:34

I'm running Microsoft Word 2007 on my Windows 8 laptop - I still have Gill Sans. Presumably that means that Office 2010 doesn't have it?

What a shame. It's my absolutely favourite.

And YADNBU to hate Comic Sans. It is an aberration outside of the classroom.

BIWI Sat 04-May-13 08:29:09
washngo Sat 04-May-13 08:30:11

Composhat - children who are dyslexic want to be able to read signs, labels, instructions, not just worksheets and teaching aids. Comic sans is entirely appropriate for schools, perhaps not for professional, adult communications.

Dinosaurdrip Sat 04-May-13 08:31:49

My DP has that film meringue33 he is a bit of a geek though.

HintofBream Sat 04-May-13 08:33:01

What is the Mumsnet font? (sorry, typeface, and thanks Horry) It looks like Comic doesn't it?
I like Times Roman and on my antiquated desktop you have to choose it, the default is Ariel.

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 08:33:06

As a qualified and trained typographer and graphic designer... I bloody hate it with a passion. There's also one called something like 'kid print' and it is beyond awful. It looks shit.

I shall now grumble for a while about people learning Powerpoint and claiming to be graphic designers...

Bloody shit typography. No eye for type, layout or colour. Bloody amateurs, lines lines lines. Flippin WordArt - ugly bastardised useless piece of crap. Publisher...publisher?? What kind of half-shit package is that? Vista-bloody-print. Crap quality, crap designs, crap illustrations...everything looks like Americana Mid 1990s bleh design...and bloody over priced. Shall I start on my local print shop? For they are truly stupid. 200gsm the same as 130gsm? I think not! K (as in black) is for Key KEY KEY!!! not Kolor - that's not even a word!!

I could go on for days... And suspect I shall.

BIWI Sat 04-May-13 08:34:28

Mumsnet font is Verdana

BIWI Sat 04-May-13 08:35:08

Let it all out, Moomins ... grin

tigerlilygrr Sat 04-May-13 08:36:12

pendant alert: typeface is the family, eg Comic Sans; font is the exact version eg Comic Sans Regular 10pt

horry I think I love you

ComposHat Sat 04-May-13 08:36:41

wash and BDA recommend a number of other more appropriate fonts other than comic sans.

The rest of the world won't be in comic sans for children with dyslexia either.

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 08:36:57

Serif fonts are easier to read. I learned this at print school over 20 years ago.

I like Garamond - nice rounded shapes. Ahhhh I love a nice lower case g (all wiggly) and a swishy upper case R with a long, elegant tail. Also, a nice &

startwig1982 Sat 04-May-13 08:37:57

Yabu. I use it all the time in my lessons (secondary Maths) as it is the most dyslexic friendly font. We get told off for not using it. We also have to have a coloured electronic whiteboard background as its better for sen.

OrbisNonSufficit Sat 04-May-13 08:38:00

No, YANBU, many many people hate comic sans. Me included! It's so twee and hideous, I think I hate it because it seems to be used when people want to be cutesy and harmless (like chintz) which winds me up (although I take the point about kids learning to read/write, but surely that's limited to a very small amount of printed material).

And it's not the only font suitable for dyslexic people - the British Dyslexia Association says any plain, evenly spaced font is fine. Arial, Verdana, Tahoma etc.

IllegalYoniFarm Sat 04-May-13 08:38:23

Mardy that notice is hilarious!! grin

ananikifo Sat 04-May-13 08:39:24

YANBU. I loathe comic sans for its use in professional adult settings.

willowstar Sat 04-May-13 08:40:50

I despise it outside of schools. I use calibri 12 usually as I find it easy to read and looks crisp. I also really dislike times new roman but nowhere near as much as I dislike comic sans.

GoldenGreen Sat 04-May-13 08:41:35

I was told years back that Arial was the best for people with dyslexia and visual impairments so I have always used it. Good to know there are acceptable alternatives.

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 08:45:34

People who use script fonts for signatures should be banned from typing anyway. Who are they fooling?

I suppose I get just as irritated when whatever is written is full of bad grammar or typos. I have been known to mark up marketing materials and post them back.

MortifiedAdams Sat 04-May-13 08:46:19

It has it's place - Primary Schools.

It does not belong on official documents such as the council parking permit attached to my car windscreen. I give it an evil glare most times Im.in the car.

BIWI Sat 04-May-13 08:47:18

Way to go! <nods approvingly>

BIWI Sat 04-May-13 08:47:38

(That was to Moomins!)

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 08:50:21

I'm a sad saaaad typographer. I remember doing layouts the old fashioned way, with board, scalpel, glue and coloured pens. Not this new fangled dtp (hate that expression) malarky.

ZillionChocolate Sat 04-May-13 08:51:44

Love you a bit ComposHat.

Does any one have any suggestions for a better looking dyslexic friendly font? I need something formal and serious for work.

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 08:53:31

Gill Sans is a nice, clean, smooth face.

theodorakisses Sat 04-May-13 08:55:07

I know it is used at my husbands school because it is the easiest for EAL pupils (all his are) but if an adult uses it I think it should be renamed passive aggressive sans.

ZillionChocolate Sat 04-May-13 08:55:17

Good call Moominsarehippos. I'll see if I have/can install it.

TheBigJessie Sat 04-May-13 09:04:07

I have Microsoft Word 2010 (32 bit) and I have gill sans. I generally use Cambria, because when I type, that one seems to already be selected. I mostly can't tell the difference between fonts, unless you give me a batch of samples, with exactly the same phrase, only in different fonts.

I can't even see a difference between calibri and cambria when I do that though.

aufaniae Sat 04-May-13 09:15:41

You're certainly not alone. Comic Sans is widely hated!

IIRC it's the only standard font on Word which uses an "a" formed as you would write it, not as it's usually typed IISWIM? (e.g. the "a" here )
Perhaps this is part of the reason people use it in schools?

Gill Sans is a nice looking, clean font, designed in the 20s and widely used by organisations such as British Rail and the BBC over the years.

Eric Gill who designed it was not a nice man however. By his own admission (but not known publicly till 1989) he sexually abused his children and had an incestuous relationship with his sister.

Puts me off using it sad

(Did you know fonts could be so controversial?!)

piprabbit Sat 04-May-13 09:26:00

I like KG what the teacher wants font for child-friendly stuff.

I try to avoid comic sans, not because I have a problem with it but because I know it may annoy the reader.

ComposHat Sat 04-May-13 09:39:34

I was aware of Eric Gill's child abuse and (getting his dog to sodomise him!) but have managed to disassociate the art from the artist. His statues are on the outside of Broadcasting House, which given the BBC's problems over Jimmy Saville is somewhat ironic.

I love the perfectly rounded O in Gill Sans. I wanted to submit my PhD in Gill Sans, but my supervisor claims that he finds it hard going to read (philistine!) so I am having to think again.

Current favourite is Arial Bold 12pt for titles and Century Schoolbook 11pt for the body text. Any other suggestions gratefully received.

At the risk of being a pedant, BBC and the old school Penguin Book covers use Gill Sans, but BR used their own typeface (Railtype) and London Underground use Johnston. Johnston does look very much like Gill Sans, but is even more beautiful. The lower case 'i' and 'j' use a diamond for a dot.

WMittens Sat 04-May-13 09:43:23

HollyBerryBush

"I do ralise that this now makes me sound like some technogeek that actually knows different fonts"

Not that much - the majority of people who have used a word processor will know the main fonts. If you want geeky, a friend's brother did his dissertation on Helvetica.

ThreeBeeOneGee

"If there were more free fonts that matched handwritten letter formation, then it wouldn't need to be so ubiquitous."

I found hundreds recently when looking for suitable fonts for faux signatures for emailed letters.

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 09:45:51

Didn't Gill also do the sculptures on the big grey building on the Thames (I forget the one)?

Most typefaces have something quite distinctive - a curve or flourish (usually an R tail or little loop on the a, gs too). You get to know which is which when you work with them a lot. We used to have very heated fights arguments in the studio over such things.

One thing I especially dislike is when someone tries to throw every font in the package at one page, in various sizes and colours.

SorrelForbes Sat 04-May-13 09:47:53

Moominsarehippos. I used to work in the graphics field back in the 90s. Scalpels and low tack tape were my friends.

I often have nostalgic twangs over letraset Helvetica.

My favourite typeface is Johnson.

AngiBolen Sat 04-May-13 09:48:34

I used comic sans when writing a letter to DC's teacher recently.

I somehow thought I was more likely to get through to her if I spoke in her font.

confused

ComposHat Sat 04-May-13 09:51:29

'Spoke in her font' that made me laugh, but not enough to forgive you for using the dreaded Comic Sans!

GoofyIsACow Sat 04-May-13 09:51:40

An estate agent local to me uses comic sans on all his literature, he is 'fun' hmm

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 09:53:09

What was the name of the really famour London Underground designer in the 1950s? Eric somebody? My memory is dreadful these days! He was pals with my old typography tutor. I like the face they use.

I hate fonts that look like handwriting (supposedly) because of the uniformity - some have 2 'a's for example but it just doesn't look right.

And Gills dog... I thought it was the other way around. My mind is boggling about this now (reaches for brain bleach)!

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 09:55:20

I had many a cut with the scalpels (even a couple of stitches to reattach a large piece of finger). I used to love manual colour mark up. Very theraputic!

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 09:56:44

Did you ever use an old compositing machine (bell, star, oh bugger)?

I've always loved Century Gothic, it's a fine, clear typeface!

Hate Comic Sans too.

SorrelForbes Sat 04-May-13 09:57:51

I have a scar on the top of my foot from a scalpel. I managed to knock it off the edge of my drawing board. Two stitches and a lot of blood.

TiggyD Sat 04-May-13 09:59:36

It's used because it's closest to normal writing on lots of computers. It's your problem, get over it.

TartinaTiara Sat 04-May-13 09:59:39

I'll confess to not hating Comic Sans in its place (ie, not in everyday life) and can see why it's used in schools for the fact that the formation of the lower case "a" is similar to that used in handwriting, but the italic form of some of the more sensible fonts - Ariel and Calibri certainly, and I think Gill Sans too - have this feature, without making people's eyeballs itch.

And yes, anyone who uses Curlz as an everyday form of communication should be taken to a place of execution and hanged by the neck. Or at least spoken to sharply.

SorrelForbes Sat 04-May-13 10:00:27

I used to use those machines which use the plastic rolls to make letters of various heights. I used the smaller machines for printing out text to stick on tracing paper which was then photopied and burnt onto acetate to make vu-graphs (am old).

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 10:03:51

I remember making acetates! I learned how to at college. I have also cleaned out some lovely (antique) printers.

Sticking by eye was so accutare - not sure I could do it these days though! I used to be able to letraset huge amounts of copy only by eye and it would be spot on. I used to lob bits off to personalise it.

aufaniae Sat 04-May-13 10:18:21

ComposHat I stand corrected! That was some good pedantry smile

aufaniae Sat 04-May-13 10:18:55

(And ewwwwwww to the bestiality!)

ComposHat Sat 04-May-13 10:19:22

Tiara I tihnk that is my real beef, the widespread misuse of Comic Sans rather than its mere existence.

ComposHat Sat 04-May-13 10:23:18

What was the name of the really famour London Underground designer in the 1950s? Eric somebody?

Edward Johnston (called Johnston) designed the London Underground typeset in 1916, so your tutor must have been very old!

RedToothBrush Sat 04-May-13 10:31:20

Anyone who uses comic sans should be giving a jail term. Ok, maybe a little strong but I really do hate it that much.

Its total bullshit to use the dyslexia argument to support its use, when there are so many other fonts that are equally good and well known about and used.

If anything, it only helps to reinforce stereotypes that people with dyslexia are in some way stupid or more child like.

Its basically a font, used by people who don't mind patronising others, lack any taste or creativity and are just plain lazy. They should not be allowed near a computer until they are retrained.

spot the graphic designer

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 10:36:34

He was rather old. May not be the same chap though as I worked on the lettering of a sleeve of a book by/about him in the early '90s and he was still alive!

MinnieBar Sat 04-May-13 11:22:51

Holy Comic Sans

I like Garamond for a traditional look and Calibri for a clean, professional look. I'm a copy-editor and I am so, so bored of Arial 12. And no, you can't suddenly change to using Times New Roman (original!) for diagrams to 'liven it up'…

MinnieBar Sat 04-May-13 11:24:18

Formata is also nice, but I had to download that separately.

I use Sassoon Primary when preparing my resources ... but my new school does not have it, so I have to print everything at home.

Comic Sans is what they use, but I'd really like one that has a proper t... CS has a straight-bottomed t. The 'What Teacher Wants' font linked above is one that I have used for signs, but it too has a straight-bottomed t.

GetOrfMoiLand Sat 04-May-13 11:31:53

Redtooth that is a good post.

And I love Moomins rantings.

fossil971 Sat 04-May-13 11:33:28

I've got no problem with it being used in primary schools for teaching - although I cringe at getting every single communication from the school in it, even reports. It sticks out a mile to me now.

We recently had a rather dubious little form in Comic Sans come home from the local authority via school, to fill in with details of anyone who you see letting their dog foul. Now I'm quite against dog fouling but that seemed the ultimate in passive aggressiveness to me.

Also last year's Mum's office Diary came out fully Comic-Sans'd and I wrote to them to say it looked awful - I notice it's gone this year.

Worst I saw I think was a signwritten van - something like a funeral director!

natwebb79 Sat 04-May-13 11:33:43

As a teacher I have been trained to use it as it is the easiest font for dyslexic pupils to read. My dyslexic colleague confirmed that it is. That's more important to me than if some people find it a bit annoying. smile

I don't get why people hate comic sans with such passion

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 11:34:40

I'm ranting on the 'you gingers' thread now.

While I always like a good font pedantry thread, does anyone else have a bizarre sense that we've had this thread before? I could honestly swear we have.

Comic sans is useful for annoying students during close reading prep - my teacher used to retype a serious piece in comic sans and see how we reacted differently to it.

It's Times New Roman really pisses me the heck off. It creates a visual disturbance because of its shape (it's true).

fossil971 Sat 04-May-13 11:39:57

<hijack>
I've been sent some marketing email from a local attraction to comment on their new website . They've splashed a font called "<<http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/London_Between.htm London Between>>" all over it. AIBU to think this is a clumsy pastiche of Johnston? There's something jarring about it but I can't put my finger on it.

fossil971 Sat 04-May-13 11:40:37

London Between temporary amnesia on doing links there!

GetOrfMoiLand Sat 04-May-13 11:40:43

I have read comic sans hatred threads on mumsnet before.

What do you mean by visual disturbance lrd?

stargirl1701 Sat 04-May-13 11:41:27

YABU. It is an excellent font for young children learning to read.

Forgive me, but I didn't get further on that site before clicking on 'Old English' and letting the steam pour out of my ears. blush

I know it shouldn't matter, but possibly calling things 'gothic' or 'Old English' when they are Victorian pastiche is why I still hear of undergradutes who are disappointed we're not going to do Shakespeare in the High Medieval course.

changeforthebetter Sat 04-May-13 11:43:55

Really, Citrusyone? smile I have often used it in class and am glad that it helps dyslexic students.

Shakey1500 Sat 04-May-13 11:44:56
Shakey1500 Sat 04-May-13 11:45:16

Ooh that's a bit long isn't it? blush

getorf - it's really cool actually. I've not kept up with the research, but about four/five years ago, someone was publishing about it all.

Basically, you know how vertical black-and-white stripes can bother some people with epilepsy and similar, especially if they're moving their eyes across them? Well, they do.

Actually, they bother most of us to a greater or lesser degree, it's just most of us don't really notice too much.

Now some fonts are made up of shapes such that, when you're looking at them out of the corner of your eye, they're resolving into a set of shadowy stripes. You don't even realize this - when we read, we do a huge number of things we don't know we're doing, as you can see by tracking someone's eye movements (people pause and look ahead or back, when to all intents and purposes they're reading perfectly smoothly, because the pauses and glances only take such a tiny fraction of time).

As you read a large amount of a font that has a pronounced, regular vertical emphasis, you struggle against this slight visual disturbance.

People read such fonts more slowly in tests.

What is really fascinating is, they thought they were reading perfectly well, even quickly, and saw the regularity of the font as something good.

When tested against a font designed (like script) to have more irregularity and less vertical emphasis, they read faster, but didn't believe it - they associated the irregularity as something that would disturb them.

I trace it back to (proper, real) gothic script developed in monasteries. I won't go into why, but basically, back then in made sense, because you wanted people to read very slowly. Now, we don't, but we're still stuck with something not dissimilar to scripts developed 500 years ago, really.

blush

Ahem.

'Cool' it probably isn't.

grin

MinnieBar Sat 04-May-13 11:53:18

That's really interesting LRD.

Yes, there's definitely been a thread on this before. But then nearly all threads have been done in some way before (except the dead father in the house for five days one - that's a shocker!). Mumsnet is suffering from recursion and will implode due to repeated threads. Probably.

GetOrfMoiLand Sat 04-May-13 11:57:05

That is fascinating lrd. And might explain my utter loathing of times new roman.

Years so I used to work for a very old fashioned man who used to make me use times new roman or fucking Garamond in SPREADSHEETS.

GetOrfMoiLand Sat 04-May-13 11:57:53

And in access. Access of the worst programme in the world. And then you stick a serif font in it to drive you mad.

Oh, I wasn't objecting to another thread in the slightest! Just wondering if anyone else could remember, or indeed what conclusion we came to.

I quite like Garamond. blush

TNR is really ugly though, isn't it? It has absolutely no style.

Havingamadmoment Sat 04-May-13 12:04:13

Dh and I develop websites. Not long ago we had a client who was convinced the best font to have on his serious business website was comic sans. He had made a picture on his computer and everything of what he wanted it to look like it had comic sans and clip art. My dh managed to keep a straight face all the way through which I was most impressed at, especially as they discussed the parts he felt should flash.

oinkment Sat 04-May-13 12:27:47

Is there a collective noun for a group of typeface buffs? A paragraph? A parentheses?

Anyway, while you're all here please advise on the perfect font to use on my 7yr old daughter's birthday invitation. I usually use the dreaded comic sans for kid stuff but have been thoroughly put if after reading this thread. Lots of her friends parents are designery types who have probably been privately appalled at some of the things I send!

Sunnywithshowers Sat 04-May-13 12:51:11

YANBU (children excepted).

Two fonts walk into a bar. The barman shouts 'Get out! We don't want your type in here!'

Moomins I was the junior in an insurance company marketing dept in the late 80's, in charge of looking after mounted artwork. Ah, the smell of Spray Mount...

Shellington Sat 04-May-13 13:00:23

Yanbu to loathe it personally, YABU to think there's no need for it. I don't like the 't' on comic sans but as other people say, the 'a' is correct for young children.

However, it is also a compatibility point - when transferring, downloading and sharing documents it is a (pretty much) guarantee that all other computers will have that font in their library, rather than use a more obscure one and have it default to Times or Arial at the other end.

Sassoon Primary / Infant actually Rules All, but isn't as widely installed. smile

BIWI Sat 04-May-13 13:04:46

grin at Sunnywithshowers!

I should point out that there are lots of typefaces with the same kind of 'a' as we would write. Berlin Sans or Century Gothic are two of them

Allalonenow Sat 04-May-13 13:22:00

Collective noun for a group of typeface buffs; A pica?

I hate and loathe TNR, it makes my eyes scream. I normally use Garamond because it is calm and elegant.

ParadiseChick Sat 04-May-13 13:53:32

I hate Times New Roman more!

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 13:57:54

There is s slim cut of Times that is quite elegant. Can't remember the name though.

oinkment Sat 04-May-13 14:26:58

Yes but which font would you use on a birthday invitation?

Would just like to say that I've been dipping into this thread while typing a letter to HMRC and clicking on fonts. I was about to print the letter when I spotted the single word in "Earwig Factory" in the middle!!!

Moominsarehippos Sat 04-May-13 15:15:38

For a child's invite? For big + bold, go for a gill sans bold (not roman boldened) or for more 'growed up' garamond. Or if you are feeling very creative (and have lots of time) do a linocut (I have done it, it took bloody ages but looked magnificent).

A collective of type buffs is a 'bore' or 'pedant'.

KenDoddsDadsDog Mon 06-May-13 20:07:25
Thumbwitch Tue 07-May-13 00:48:56

"Its total bullshit to use the dyslexia argument to support its use, when there are so many other fonts that are equally good and well known about and used."

Well I'm sure that people who have reading issues will be pleased to know that you think their argument is total bullshit. One of my friends who has autism and dyslexia uses comic sans as it is the ONLY typeface that she can read with complete ease - even arial and the other "equally good" fonts aren't as easy for her. I'll tell her that you think she's talking total bullshit, shall I?

Imscarlet Tue 07-May-13 01:08:24

On phone so can't link but there is a new typeface available designed for people who have dyslexia. The bottom of the letters are weighted more. Google dyslexia font and it should come up.

Startail Tue 07-May-13 01:09:36

As an old dyslexic TNR is my font of choice, it makes words the shape I expect.

Arial is my pet hate, nasty bland disjointed square letters. No overall shape to words.

The font my kindle fire is using at the moment is horrible. Sort of unserifed type writer.

Comic sands is nasty. My 12y uses it sometimes, oddly mydyslexic, but arty DD1 doesn't. I m not sure what her lap tops set atthis week.

Startail Tue 07-May-13 01:12:36

Yes century gothic is much nicer if you want DC friendly a.
I think it has ok g too. not all DCs like g looking like an 8

DolomitesDonkey Tue 07-May-13 06:33:57

I use comic sans for the signature in my newsletter. Clearly I've committed a grave crime for which I apologise unreservedly, however as I've no time to peruse new fonts - please tell me where and which new don't to download to have a "hand-writing" like font.

I like verdana and Rockwell. I think I may be on the brink of a dangerously time-consuming slippery slope.

Shellington Tue 07-May-13 09:08:46

Dolomites for a simple one, I quite like Lucida Handwriting. (Or take a photo of your actual signature / a variation of it on a piece of paper, upload as a jpg and insert image into your document?)

DolomitesDonkey Tue 07-May-13 09:25:28

Thank you shellington, I shall check out Lucida. smile

Imscarlet Tue 07-May-13 14:40:49

This is the dyslexia font if anyone is interested. Actually if anyone is dyslexic, I'd love to know what you think of it, thinking about using it with a child who has dyslexia at school.

www.opendyslexic.org/

Illustrationaddict Tue 07-May-13 14:51:41

I hate it too, you are not alone! Love the bancomicsans campaign, hilarious!

zukiecat Tue 07-May-13 16:20:31

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ParadiseChick Tue 07-May-13 20:18:16

imscarlett that link isn't working but I'd love to see!

Hulababy Tue 07-May-13 20:20:56

I will often use Comic Sans for work purposes. I work in an infant school and not all those lovely fonts referred to in the OP have a proper a. At school we have Sassoon which I prefer - but I don't have it on all the computers I use to do prep on.

Hulababy Tue 07-May-13 20:23:19

And yes - we are told it is better for dyslexic children and those struggling to read.

At school most signs are in it, or Sassoon, even those aimed at adults. This is partly for consistency within school - loads of different fonts would look far worse.

Hulababy Tue 07-May-13 20:26:52

I work with YOUNG dyslexic children, as we are an infant school - so oldest children are in Y2. Hence why we are recommended to use Comic Sans or Sassoon over fonts like Arial.

TheCraicDealer Tue 07-May-13 20:48:19

I got a solicitor's letter through work once written in Comic Sans. I'm sorry to say I immediately assumed they got their LLB in a Happy Meal. It seems to scream, "Look at meeee! I'm FUN, I'm using a FUN font!".

Amazing to think of the vitriol a typeface can provoke. Interesting about the autistic/dyslexia angle, I'll try to be less judgy in future. Not making any promises though.

MiaowTheCat Tue 07-May-13 20:55:44

Century Gothic has the handwritten style a on it.

I used to be on a one-woman campaign to minimise the Comic-Sans invasion into my classroom... I bought my own copies of Sassoon to use for some stuff and I used Century Gothic a lot as well. Some Comic-Sans got through the net but since I was a sad fart who loved making my own resources rather than just downloading pre-prepared ones willy nilly - I had it minimised.

Also had Sparklebombing to an absolute minimum back when people still used that site - would always rather make my own stuff unless really pushed for time.

If we're on primary school pet hates (although this is mainly a KS2 child one) - that blue wibbly WordArt. And kids who've never been taught to use Publisher properly so just open a default template and start typing in it - it's not hard... FFS I've taught Y1 kids the idea of text and image boxes and how to create them from scratch!

But yep - the blue wibbly WordArt needs to die as well (and yes, I use WordArt a bit to make outline letters filled with gradients etc - but the blue wibbly one is just like needles in an eyeball in its visual impact).

I have a bit of a font addiction though - have all sorts of random ones that might come in useful one day on my PCs.

babybarrister Tue 07-May-13 20:55:59

not sure if this has been said as not read whole thread but apparently bloke that designed Gill Sans was a paedophile and so some people won't use it .....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Gill

have to say I love it as a font ....

Imscarlet Tue 07-May-13 23:23:03

Whoops! [www.opendyslexic.org] hopefully that one works!

edam Tue 07-May-13 23:41:22

I'm glad to say the 'but comic sans is the only typeface suitable for people with dyslexia' myth has been dismissed. Grrrrrrrr.

SinisterBuggyMonth Wed 08-May-13 00:29:28

I think Gil Sans has been Kept Calm and Carried On to death lately.

The very lowest typeface is Brush Script. Some people use this on their number plates. So wrong.

Thumbwitch Wed 08-May-13 00:31:47

Imscarlet, I've tried to get into that website but it's having some troubles - keeps saying it's down! Finally managed it by googling it and going in via another website! opendyslexic.org/ just in case it's working again.

It still has the curly a though, not the handwriting one. I'm not dyslexic myself so can't say whether or not it's going to work for people with dyslexia - but it's not going to be as good for the a.

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