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To be upset about childcare costs stopping me training to be a nurse?

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salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 09:52:32

I know I am, but I had to leave Uni because my childcare fell through, I was doing Nursing and as DH works shifts my mother offered to have the children at night etc, then she changed her mind so I had to leave. We decided to have another child who I love with all my heart, but I still feel sad that there is no hope for me to re-apply or even do another course as we simply can not afford childcare cost even though our 2 DD's are at school, our DS is only 2 this month and we would still have childcare for DD2 after school to sort out etc. I am 38 this year so not really got a lot of time left to retrain, if I had not left I would be looking for a nursing job now I think its really hit home, 5 other people had children the same time as we had our DS and 4 managed to stay with childcare help from parents/partner.

aldiwhore Fri 03-May-13 10:34:06

Train when your youngest starts school. It will still be tough but childcare will cost a lot less. You'll only be 43, and we have older nursing students than that. Take the next 5 years to become an expert in waiting!

Do not give up.

It's just not a good time right now. You'll need to work out who will have the children if your shifts clash, that sounds like the biggest challenge.

salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 10:41:01

Thank you,think its hurting as I would have handed my last paperwork in like all my friends and be looking for a job.
I know the age isnt that big an issue, its the fact I was there and I was doing really well when the childcare issue came up and I had to leave, I spoke to Uni and they said I could re apply but the fact I left once already will go against me and we only have 2 Uni's I can get to that have the course so will have to apply to both if I do find a way to return x

karkhat Fri 03-May-13 10:41:21

Have you checked whether you can get help with childcare costs? I got a bursary to pay for nursery when I was at uni. It's worth asking your student advice centre to see what they can help with.

Meerkatwhiskers Fri 03-May-13 10:44:21

I agree wait until DS is at school and apply again. Do bursary not pay childcare costs? I don't have DC yet so no idea. One of my friends had issues with bursary this year and childcare costs this year I know that much. Same friend is mid 40's so it's never to late.

Can you do bank hca work in the meantime to keep your experience up? Or get a permanent hca in outpatients or somewhere with regular family friendly hours with the view to being sponsored further down the line. More money that way.

ENormaSnob Fri 03-May-13 10:44:38

I was a single mum when I did nursing at uni.

I got a part time job that enabled me to claim tax credit help towards childcare.

Some weeks I was working 70 hours but it was worth it in the end.

salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 10:46:00

I would get 2 yrs worth of bursary at my original Uni and 3 at the other as its a 4 yr course there, I am in Scotland, but childcare will be around £1300+ per mth and I would get the standard amount so would still need to find £600-£700+ per mth, we do not qualify for any help due to how much DH earns

aldiwhore Fri 03-May-13 10:48:24

I am slightly annoyed with the Uni they didn't offer you an interruption of studies?

It MIGHT be possible to APEL your completed modules over to a new course, though I'm not sure with Pre-Registration Nurising if that's possible.

Keep all the evidence that you were doing really well, this will certainly help if you re-apply. They will probably want to be certain you won't leave for the same reasons, so for the next 5 years (!) research some watertight childcare.

The problem with nursing as opposed to any other course is that you're out on practice a lot, so holding down another job isn't always possible.

Stay in touch with your Uni - student support and guidence will help you even if you're not still a student.

Meerkatwhiskers Fri 03-May-13 10:48:38

BTW there is a 2nd year student nurse at Kingston uni who is 78. We interviewed together but I went to a different uni. Not sure if anyone will give him a job at the end but good on him lol.

salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 10:48:49

ENormaSnob, we can not get any help towards childcare, hats off to you managing shifts/uni and work with no help, we struggle as we have no one to help us on lates/earlys and nights x
Meerkatwhiskers, bursary is around £550ish per month, I would still need to find around £600ish for childcare x

Featherbag Fri 03-May-13 10:51:06

I worked as a bank HCA all through my training, I've been qualified over 3 years now and it was worth every 70 hour week I did! That wasn't every week by any stretch, but sometimes it was necessary so I did it. You can earn almost £200 doing a 13 hour Sunday shift, and mentors are always happy to accommodate a student working PT when looking at off-duty. You CAN do it, it won't be easy but it will be worth it. Do get back quickly though, AFAIK there's a time limit on finishing once you've started!

Meerkatwhiskers Fri 03-May-13 10:58:38

I presume with APEL it depends if the OP was on the diploma or bot previously as its now degree only so it wouldn't count if she was a diploma student before.

I'm Sept 11 cohort and my uni went degree only in Sept 12 so being a diploma student I can only take 6 months out if needed as there are no other cohorts behind. The March 12 cohort are the last diploma cohort so have no fall back I don't think.

salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 11:00:11

Gah, typed a long message and the site went down!

Nope, not offered an IOS, friend was a few months after though.

Featherbag, my DH works shifts and most weekends so not so easy for me, 13 hours childcare for 3 children on a sunday would be way more than I could earn, trust me, if it was possible I would be doing it.
I have already been away too long and would need to re apply to Uni, and also re do some exams as I did an access course and apparently I would need to show some recent study x

Meerkatwhiskers Fri 03-May-13 11:00:22

They have changed the bursary in England now OP. Some people get less than that I think. That's why I am glad I'm doing the diploma.

salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 11:01:48

I was Sept 2010 cohort so diploma, Uni now does 1 intake a year and its degree only.

salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 11:02:13

I am Scotland so slightly different here x

Featherbag Fri 03-May-13 11:10:13

Could your DH not look at changing his working patterns to support you, even temporarily? Childcare should be a joint responsibility, not you fitting in around his hours. Remember bank work is literally as and when - there will always be shifts available, whenever you are free to do one there will be one to do, you can easily make £600pm even without Sundays!

NotALondoner Fri 03-May-13 11:18:39

Meerkat - a 78 year old? Is that a typing mistake? What is the point of that? The NHS is paying out money to train a 78 year old???

salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 11:22:26

His job means he can not change shifts,part of his job is to cover shifts that no one else can cover, plus he gets sent away quite a few times a year to teach courses/go to courses and also works away for a few months twice a year.
I would do bank work for sure, just wouldnt want to budget that in as that would be a bonus rather than an given x

Meerkatwhiskers Fri 03-May-13 11:24:05

Nope not a typing mistake. There was an article about him somewhere. Will see if I can find it. Thought he was having a laugh when I saw him at interview then saw the article and thought omg.

salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 11:32:44

We had a few 50 yr olds on our course who did better than the 20+ yr olds x

Featherbag Fri 03-May-13 11:33:27

I had no choice but to factor bank work into our budget - without it we couldn't have paid the rent. There are always reasons not to do something if it's going to be hard but in my experience if you want something badly enough you'll make it happen! There's a way around every potential problem if you look hard enough and are prepared to be creative!

Xenia Fri 03-May-13 11:36:21

What about a live in au pair for the nights? You could move the children into your bed room to free up a room. It will not cost much and you could take a weekend job to pay for it if it cannot be managed out of current finances.

salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 11:43:27

I know it looks like I am making excuses, but facts are DH can not change his hours, they can differ week to week so we would have to pay for childcare even if not using it, I would hope to gain a place 2014, children would be 14/10 and 3, so still need childcare for before/after school for 2 children, plus daytime childcare for 1, then if I had 6am starts (did before) and DH had the same we would have no one in the house from 5am for the children, same if I finished 10pm and DH wasnt home till then, no one home for the children.
My mother refuses to help out, DH father would not help, his mother lives 3 hours away and wouldnt help anyway. I would not feel happy leaving DD1 to look after her DB/DS first thing/last thing so would need to have a babysitter who could come early/stay late.
I am going to sit down and look at how much childcare will actually cost, if we can cut back anything etc.

salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 11:44:52

Going to look into that x

Binkybix Fri 03-May-13 11:46:30

Sorry, I've not read whole thread, so may be repeating. In the last few years my friend qualified to be a nurse through a course that broke up during the holidays for precisely this reason - it took 4 years instead of 3. Don't know if it's area specific, but worth looking into?

Dahlen Fri 03-May-13 11:48:00

IME most people who work shift patterns and have young children have a support network they can rely on. If you haven't got that and rely wholly on professional childcare it's often prohibitive in terms of costs and/or simply flexibility (most nurseries and CMs won't do 6am starts for example).

However, there are alternatives. In your position, I would look into an au pair, as long as your youngest is over 2.

salemsparklys Fri 03-May-13 12:08:37

We are going to look into that, we have no one we can rely on so need to make sure we have 100% covered before I even look at applying again x

Xenia Fri 03-May-13 15:06:32

14 years old? Surely the 14 year old could look after the 10 year old and 3 year old for the few days when both of you were out and/or use my ide aof hiring an au pair idea as it is just for those odd hours. £55+ a week for 25 hours live in.

cestlavielife Fri 03-May-13 15:56:06

get a live in au pair. have the chidlren share etc to fit an au pair in

shebangsthedrum Fri 03-May-13 16:20:02

I was in exactly the same position as you op, but in 2000 cohort doing the diploma. I am going back to college in september to do an access course for recent study. Please don't wait as long as me if you possibly can help it, I really feel out of the loop after so long when all my contemporaries qualified years ago.

50shadesofknackered Fri 03-May-13 17:51:10

If I were you I would do an open university course in something else. Other things pay more, have better hours and you are not used as scapegoats for the media and government. (Yes I am a nurse)

Salbertina Fri 03-May-13 18:35:05

Don't you get a bursary to help with childcare?

salemsparklys Sat 04-May-13 10:12:50

First I want to say thank you to everyone who took the time to reply xx

I dont want to leave DD1 at 5am with the responsibility of getting DD2 & DS1 up and off to nursery/school, she would be late herself, likewise, making dinner and putting to bed etc, not fair on her.

I spoke to DH last night and he said we will find a way of making it work so I emailed Uni about what I should do and I have to call after 13th as the person I need to chat too is on holiday until then.

shebangsthedrum, I wish you all the best, I did the access course and used that to get into Uni the first time, I am going to have to do something else to gain recent study as I did that 2009, the Uni I am looking at now does a 4 yr course compaired to the 3 yrs I was doing.

50shadesofknackered, I don't want to do anything else tbh, I have done most of the things I have wanted to in life now, but this one thing I was unable to do when I was younger. Not in it for the money/hours etc, I know, sounds corny lol.

Salbertina, I will not get the full bursary as I have done almost 1 year of the course, plus I would still need another £600ish per month for after school/before school/weekend care, although we are going to look at the different types of childcare options we have.

fromparistoberlin Sat 04-May-13 10:16:55

wait till your your youngest is at school OP x

NotALondoner Sat 04-May-13 10:49:19

Plenty of people on our course in their 40s, ans a few are in their 50s. Best of luck.

TheseFoolishThings Sat 04-May-13 10:53:52

Good for you OP - and good luck. FWIW a very good friend of mine changed career at 48, trained to be a nurse, qualified and then went on to become a Social Worker which she now does, at a fairly high level, at nearly 60. She's working with vulnerable adults and loves it. It can be done and I hope you can make it work for you.

Babyroobs Sat 04-May-13 12:01:39

I doubt you would need childcare for a 14 year old before and after school. Also some childminders will be flexible and just charge you for the hours used. I am a nurse working shifts and our childminder didn't mind having our dd on different days each week. Some childminders won't be flexible but some will, so it's worth asking around.

EggsMichelle Sat 04-May-13 12:17:17

Got so much respect for people who do their training with children, I was 18 so no children then, but hoping to get my duel training done (2yrs) when mine are at school.

anewyear Sat 04-May-13 12:27:42

Im 46 and 9mths grin Ive just finished my Cache CYPW level 3 Diploma, I did this whilst working in Pre School during the day and Childminding after schoolers.
My DCs 14 & 11 however.

salemsparklys Sat 04-May-13 13:15:04

Its not the oldest DD that I need the childcare for apart from if both myself and DH are working nights, I do however, need flexible childcare for the other 2 who will be 10 and 3 next year, the current childminders in my village are not flexible about days, that may change next year but who knows.

dayshiftdoris Sat 04-May-13 14:51:08

Can I add a note of caution Salem

this is not for 3 or 4 years but until your children are old enough to care from themselves.

Nursing (like midwifery which I did) is not full of part time positions with flexible working hours... the majority of nurses work shifts with little notice (2-4weeks off duty in advance if you are lucky). Can you realistically cover that?

As for childcare it is VERY unusual to find childcare that will be flexible - especially for your youngest who will be subject to ratios (children to adult)... 30 childminders said no to me when I was looking for a flexible place and I found on straight away when I had set days (after a length battle with unions). Nurseries / after school will often commit you to set days and you pay even if you don;t use... a lot of my friends are paying full time and using a proportion or have working agreements that are on a knife edge where they pay some childcare to be available for some of the week.

A lot of people do because they have a husband or parents who help but if you haven't got that... then its more difficult. I didnt have it and have left the NHS.

Sorry but I personally would think very carefully before making a such a huge commitment - what about working as a HCA before reapplying to see if you can make it work... it will be a good test, look good on the application (it will prove you can do it this time to the uni) and you will get to test out your theories.

kilmuir Sat 04-May-13 14:54:30

How were you going to manage childcare and shifts if/when you qualified?

LaGuardia Sat 04-May-13 15:18:25

Have you thought about a live-in au pair? Perhaps your Mum could help with the cost as she let you down? If you really really want to do the training, you will find a way.

salemsparklys Mon 06-May-13 11:16:31

Mother will not help in any way, she hardly talks to us anyway.
Thanks everyone for posting x

Jinty64 Mon 06-May-13 17:31:04

You could arrange child care from 5am, you cound leave the 14 year old to watch the other two, you could work all weekend to get enough money together to pay for childcare but what sort of quality of life is that going to be for you or the children.

It is very noble of your dh to say he will find a way to make it work but, realistically, the sacrifice would be huge especially as you have no family support. Others have suggested getting work as a HCA and, if you are still inclined, training once the children are older. This sounds very sensible to me.

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