To be staggered to find that (real) guns are made specifically for young children to use, and that parents buy their (under 7's) real guns?

(40 Posts)
Lilka Thu 02-May-13 15:16:23

I saw this awful story on the news today here a 5 year old boy shot his 2 year old sister dead sad

But I was more stunned and in complete disbelief to read that the gun was the 5 year olds own gun, bought as present for him, and more specifically a rifle designed to be a young childs first gun

The gun manufacturers have a photo board on their website showing pictures of children using their guns here you can also see the pictures in the article above . Little girls no older than 5/6 posing in their lounges with what looks like a toy gun - pink and girly. Except it isn't a toy. It's fucking real. It's fucking designed for that child to use, in all it's Barbie pink glory.

What the fuck?! Seriously [socked] angry

AIBU to be seriously shocked by this. And AIBU to be shocked that any parent could think it a good idea to buy their toddler/preschooler/young child a real gun of their own? How many brain cells short are you?

RIP Caroline Starks. Your grandmother stated to the press that it must have been your time to die. But it wasn't. You wouldn't have died if your brother hadn't had a gun. As a grandmother that made me cry sad

I don't understand why they refer to it as an accident. If I left a lighter and some lighter fluid with my two year old, I would rightly be blamed and possibly prosecuted if she died. Why is this not seen as the same? They left a child with a deadly weapon.

Don't even want to touch the issues with gun control.

Poor, poor children. Because, let's not forget that this 5 year old will remember killing his sister. I cannot imagine what that will do to him.

MrsGeologist Thu 02-May-13 15:30:01

What the SCUTTERY FUCK do people think they are doing, giving young children fucking guns!?

Sirzy Thu 02-May-13 15:32:18

It's scary and even scarier is the laid back attitude of the Americans (speaking very generally) as if it is some sort of accident in the park rather than a child being shot by another

feckawwf Thu 02-May-13 15:36:22

This is what shocked me too! It's very sad but admit I blame the parents, what do they expect letting a 5yr old have a real gun! At first I thought it meant it was a toy gun hmm

5madthings Thu 02-May-13 15:39:05

Yanbu i was/am horrified by this.

Do the manufacturers of these guns have no fucking morals at all?! Who the fuck designs and makes guns for chikdren?!! And godknows why anyone would buy them, the whole thing horrifies me.

My ds4 is 5 and my dd is 2, so i can imagine it all too easily, that poor girl and her brother who will now have to grow up knowing he killed his sister sad

LastTangoInDevonshire Thu 02-May-13 15:40:33

'Tis America folks - now you know what Obama is up against in his attempts to reform the gun laws.

MansView Thu 02-May-13 15:41:36

it's a fucked up situation... sad

Guns are not toys, so why do they need to be in pink for girls. I've seen pink camouflage coloured guns at shows. Guns are weapons used for killing other animals. I have guns and I would never leave a child alone with guns. I won't even let toy guns be used in a jokey way and flipped when one of the grand kids pointed one at DD.

With guns there is absolutely no movement for relaxation or dropping of one's guard.

DD will be taught to use a gun safely at an appropriate age, which is when she has some understanding of risks/dangers. Five is too young and those pictures showing kids treating guns as something fun just shows how fucked up the attitude of some people is.

Oh my goodness. Those parents should go to prison for a very long time. Utter stupidity and neglect - how can you leave a loaded gun lying around the house for a child to play with? I am so shocked that this could have happened.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Thu 02-May-13 15:52:58

It's hard to understand the mentality of the portion of that country which baulks at gun control. Hard to reconcile that with the country being our close ally

fromparistoberlin Thu 02-May-13 15:57:59

they were red neck fucking twats

I am beyong pissed of with the US right now sad

JamieandtheMagicTorch Thu 02-May-13 16:03:03

MrsTerry totally agree

Or a loaded crossbow, or a hunting knife (a pink one, maybe?), or a chainsaw (a pink one, maybe?)....

so fucked up

girliefriend Thu 02-May-13 16:03:09

How can the parents not be up for child neglect?

Its horrific, poor poor kid aged 5 having to live with that for the rest of his life. His parents should be up for child neglect and abuse for allowing their 5 yr old to play with a loaded gun ffs.

I despair at America sad

MrsGeologist Thu 02-May-13 16:05:53

If anyone thinks a gun is in any way appropriate for a five year old, their kids should be taken into care.

Poor children sad

They say that they didn't know there was a round in the chamber. So, I'll just give DD the toaster and a knife and forget to check if it's plugged in.

They have lost a child. At the same time as feeling angry with them, I can't imagine the pain and horror of it. It's so scary.

Lilka Thu 02-May-13 16:10:43

The poor little boy sad

When I saw the news headline I thought it must be another one of those cases where the parents left their own gun in the wrong place. Never did I dream what the reality was.

The parents were neglectful and they are paying the ultimate price for it sad

YANBU. My husband sent me this article this afternoon, and I am raging. Would love to see what the family gun nuts have to say about this, given their whining about how "responsible" gun owners are being unfairly persecuted!

My rage is due to a gun manufacturer prioritizing a revenue stream over common sense and safety. Generations of children in America did indeed grow up using guns, but those generations were - as far as I can see - raised in families where hunting was the only means of survival. It is a very different lifestyle today.

IJustWoreMyTrenchcoat Thu 02-May-13 16:20:33

I have just been reading this, I am outraged at the casual attitude of he Coroner: 'accidents happen with guns'!! WTF, a little girl died, her brother will most likely be scarred for life by what has happened. Yes accidents happen when rifles are given to children, when they are so casually stored in the corner of a room, when nobody realises a shell is left inside.

I don't know where to start, that a company can get away with manufacturing and selling a gun aimed at children, that any parent would allow a child to own one, the grandma who thinks this was God's will...

The gun lobby in the States is so strong and has so much influence, it is hard to see how anything will change no matter how many children die.

Madsometimes Thu 02-May-13 16:21:17

Very, very sad.

But in this country dd1 went on an activity holiday (PGL) and did rifle shooting, and when I was young I went to camp Beaumont and did same. Although I think they were air rifles that did not fire live rounds, because I'm sure I got hit by a pellet, and it just hurt a bit - less health and safety in 1980's.

But guns have no place in the home, IMO. Are the guns at PGL special children's ones? Maybe. Also a toddler could be killed by an air rifle, but I suspect in this case it was not an air rifle. Really dreadful, poor children.

garlicyoni Thu 02-May-13 16:23:56

Aside from the downright weirdness of promoting lethal weapons to children, it was the relaxed attitudes of everyone involved that freaked me out ... it must have been her time, bless her ... such an awful accident, could have happened to anyone ... nobody's fault really confused

Sounds like life is cheap around Kentucky sad

garlicyoni Thu 02-May-13 16:27:02

I am not actually averse to weapons training, for children or adults. It should be done on a specialised location, with proper safeguards, using weapons that are made safe & locked up.

BarbarianMum Thu 02-May-13 20:04:07

<<The parents were neglectful and they are paying the ultimate price for it >>

No. The parents were neglectful and their children are paying the ultimate price.

They 'didn't realise it was loaded' - it doesn't get much weaker excuse-wise than that! angry

Lilka Thu 02-May-13 20:10:53

BarbarianMum - True that

ryanboy Thu 02-May-13 20:13:23

I used to shoot rabbits at not much older than that (farmer's daughter) Guns were always locked up and I only used them under supervision.I don't see a problem with that to be honest and would have loved a light gun like that

redwallday Thu 02-May-13 22:58:15

Unfucking believeable!!!

Maggie111 Thu 02-May-13 23:08:29

Absolutely crazy - the mind boggles what any parents who buy them are thinking.

Alright, I can almost understand 10 years old or something, for a propre hobby like clay pigeon shooting... But five?? .. Absolutely unbelievable... (and if he's had it for a year he would have been 4 when he got it!)

ChocsAwayInMyGob Thu 02-May-13 23:10:14

Yet they have banned Kinder Eggs in the USA because they are dangerous to children. You couldn't make it up.

tigerdriverII Thu 02-May-13 23:15:49

Horrendous and yes, poor boy, he will have to deal with this all his life.

Nothing wrong with a child learning about guns in an appropriate way. Everything wrong with giving a five year old - a FIVE year old - a fucking rifle. angry sad

BegoniaBampot Thu 02-May-13 23:17:50

I don't understand it or want to live like that but for many that is the culture there. The flipside is that if i or many of you lived there, we might have done the same thing.

piratedinosaursgogogo Thu 02-May-13 23:21:44

I live in New York and have been discussing this story today with my American friends. They are all as horrified as I have been. I'm absolutely astounded at the abdication of responsibilty that the family members have shown, the Grandmother saying "It was God's will, it was her time to go" and her uncle "This is something you can't prepare for". Since we moved here, I've spent a lot of time reading about and discussing gun control issues and I understand that there are communities were hunting is part and parcel of their life. But I has assumed that these people would have basic common sense.

A 3 year old boy died yesterday after shooting himself with his Grandmother's gun in Arizona. This is in the same week that the Governor in Arizona stopped measures to ensure weapons found within the community are destroyed if found. Instead of being melted down, the guns must be sold within the community.

My friend said earlier that you can't fix stupidity. It's a frightening prospect.

Morloth Thu 02-May-13 23:47:57

Some people are very very stupid and sometimes those people have kids.

I grew up with guns, even used them as a child. This sort of accident was not possible because my parents are not fucking stupid.

Bloody hell.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Thu 02-May-13 23:49:30

Begonia

that was my earlier point. It's an alien culture

BegoniaBampot Fri 03-May-13 00:09:14

I just find it fascinating. we are all products of our upbringing. Often it's all down to luck and our enviroment as to what we believe and how we judge things.

garlicyoni Fri 03-May-13 00:51:42

I dunno, Begonia. Is there anything Brits routinely do, which routinely kills our children, that provincial Americans would consider weird? (I'm not talking about Kinder eggs!)

garlicyoni Fri 03-May-13 00:54:34

"would consider reckless", I should have said.

Iteotwawki Fri 03-May-13 06:15:19

There's nothing wrong with teaching children how to shoot. 5 is probably my lowest limit though.

There's everything wrong with not teaching children firearm safety - my 7 year old can tell me the 7 basic laws of firearms and understands the reasoning behind them.

A child should never have access to firearms unless appropriately supervised. When not in use, they should be stored safely (unloaded, locked out of sight / out of reach).

My sons are growing up with guns around, there is a huge hunting & fishing culture here. I'll probably get them a single shot .22 of their own to share. However, as we are also "not fucking stupid" (I hope) they will use it appropriately and safely.

Jinty64 Fri 03-May-13 06:42:04

What Iteotwawki says. Our 15 year old (ds2) has his own gun and has had for 3 years. It is only used with close supervision according to the fire arms laws of this country. Ds3 (almost 7) will start going out with his Dad once I consider him sensible enough - in the next year or so.

I think it is better that they are taught basic gun safety from an early age and to use weapons under supervision than to decide to get one once they are old enough to be unsupervised and possibly not old enough to be sensible.

Only dh has unsupervised access to any of the guns we have in the house.

HollyBerryBush Fri 03-May-13 06:55:42

I come from a community where children that age would be fully capable of using guns. Difference is, they know they are working tools, are aware of safety and they are locked up.

Americans >sweeping generalisation< are just so gun-ho

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