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Freemasons are pointless

(52 Posts)
babybarrister Tue 30-Apr-13 21:18:42

What is the point of them? Why be so secretive? What do they have to hide? Why are they all middle aged White men wearing dark suits and carrying black briefcases - I walk past their HQ every day .... What do they do in there ??!!!

Man stuff. That's it really. It's the adult version of scouts.

HollyBerryBush Tue 30-Apr-13 21:23:09

Bit like the Mum'n'toddlers groups - vair vair cliquy and utterly pointless.

Both get a left tit out and talk shite grin

barleysugar Tue 30-Apr-13 21:24:26

I don't know, but they donate our hospital hundreds of bags of teddies for us to give out to children! Therefore, I think they're great!

CloudsAndTrees Tue 30-Apr-13 21:25:13

It's just a load of men having a drink together and patting each other on the back. It's harmless. It's just a kind of supportive social network, there's no harm in it.

mrsjay Tue 30-Apr-13 21:27:15

they have their sandwiches in their cases they sit around talking about women and boobies and swear well thats what i think grin My dad is one I have no clue what they do and I do think it is a bit pointless but it is their thing I suppose no harm in it really.

lumpylumps Tue 30-Apr-13 21:27:21

A hell of a lot of fundraising for a lot of very worthwhile charities!!

Nelly000 Tue 30-Apr-13 21:28:15

I think it's sinister and has some pretty far reaching implications on occasion when it comes to non-mason's careers.

Total 'old boy's network'.

Annunziata Tue 30-Apr-13 21:29:33

DH says that they all work as referees in Scottish football

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CloudsAndTrees Tue 30-Apr-13 21:30:52

It's no more sinister than what you find in most working men's clubs up and down the country. Or the WI. Or the round table.

Nelly000 Tue 30-Apr-13 21:32:08

I've never heard of preferential treatment being given to someone in their career because they're a member of the WI..

Nelly000 Tue 30-Apr-13 21:40:36

Nor the Round Table/working men's clubs either (in the interest of sexual/gender equality)

bubblesinthesky Tue 30-Apr-13 21:41:09

As far as I can tell they're a networking group. They help and support each other with business and so on. They also tend to be quite supportive to the widows and children of deceased members and run schools which they have priortiy for. They also do a lot for charities.

They also have an very sinister reputation but I've never really understood why. DP has often been asked to join but will have nothing to do with them

mrsjay Tue 30-Apr-13 21:41:56

my dad works in a factory industrial cleaning hardly any old boy network confused

CSIJanner Tue 30-Apr-13 21:42:11

Gah! This old chestnut. They raise millions for charity, support orphans in schools, look after the bereaved families of former brothers, run hospitals helping children with medical needs... The list goes on. Some join thinking it will help their station in life but are pretty much disappointed as DH has just summed it up as supporting the group to become better people and help others.

And it's not so secret - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a1581426-to-think-that-Freemasonry-should-not-be-allowed-to-exist

And yup - Mr CSI is one. And nope - he is most definately not an up and up old boy.

Uppatreecuppatea Tue 30-Apr-13 21:42:20

The masons are definitely responsible for career advancement. They do great charity work. I don't think it's wrong - I just don't like the secrecy.

CloudsAndTrees Tue 30-Apr-13 21:57:58

Career advancements are made through 'who you know' all the time, it is not exclusive to the Freemasons.

In working men's clubs you might get tradesmen helping each other get work. Families and friends often get others work experience that leads to jobs, word of mouth works everywhere.

If someone that was a member of the Freemasons needed a plumber for example, then they would probably go to the plumber they know through the Freemasons before looking through the yellow pages. Where's the harm in that?

squoosh Tue 30-Apr-13 21:58:21

I'm suspicious.

mrsjay Tue 30-Apr-13 22:01:01

I think my dad must go to the 'working class' masons grin I dont get it myself but i really cant see the harm

Nelly000 Tue 30-Apr-13 22:09:08

I see no harm in networking and sharing contacts.

I believe - in some cases, it goes beyond that with Masons.

It happens with some other groups too.

Doesn't make either right.

FarBetterNow Tue 30-Apr-13 22:14:13

There are many different levels of masons. The lower levels have no idea of what goes on.

All their imagery is related to satanism - inverted 5 pointed star etc.
The US dollar bills are covered in masonic symbols.

They pledge allegiance to each other over anything else, including their own family. ie they lie for each other in court.
Google 'Satanic Freemason Symbols'.

cheesesarnie Tue 30-Apr-13 22:29:08

mumsnet for men.

squoosh Tue 30-Apr-13 22:34:58

So it's Scientology for the slightly less gorgeous?

maddening Tue 30-Apr-13 23:00:51

That's what you think mrsjay really he heads up a prestigious law firm and has shady deals in politics with his hand in many important pies grin

KobayashiMaru Tue 30-Apr-13 23:07:57

Load of bollocks about masons symbols on banknotes and satanic rituals. Big fat urban myth.

Bobyan Tue 30-Apr-13 23:09:43

The Freemasons always make me think of Fred Flintstone and the Water buffalo Lodge!

squoosh Tue 30-Apr-13 23:11:47

In America they have the Skull and Bones club which originated in Yale, highly secretive with many prestigious members. Conspiracy theories abound, some even say they control the CIA.

timidviper Tue 30-Apr-13 23:14:55

They are no longer secretive and make great efforts to be open. They do raise huge amounts for charity and my impression is that most of the people who think they are sinister have never come across them in real life.

JerseySpud Tue 30-Apr-13 23:19:17

YABU

They raise loads for charity. i went to a ladies night recently and £600 was raised for two charities. Research before you moan.

ecclesvet Tue 30-Apr-13 23:19:31

I think you'll find that my neighbour's boyfriend's cousin's girlfriend's mother's hairdresser knew a Mason, and she saw him sacrifice a goat whilst praying to Satan to let him build a conservatory without proper planning permission.

JerseySpud Tue 30-Apr-13 23:19:54

Personally i find religion far more sinister.

ageofgrandillusion Tue 30-Apr-13 23:28:54

The charity work is obviously a smokescreen for something.

CloudsAndTrees Tue 30-Apr-13 23:30:07

Is all charity work a smokescreen, or is it only that which is done by the Freemasons?

ageofgrandillusion Tue 30-Apr-13 23:32:02

Clouds - It just seems a bit incongruous - bunch of middle aged men raising money for charity.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm Tue 30-Apr-13 23:36:48

It just seems a bit incongruous - bunch of middle aged men raising money for charity.

Why??confused

Cakebitch Tue 30-Apr-13 23:42:36

Dh is a member. Is just a load of blokes getting together, helping eachother out and raising money for charity. A brotherhood. Nothing sinister. I often wonder why people question it, or seem to think its odd? Nothing odd or sinister about it at all.

CloudsAndTrees Tue 30-Apr-13 23:50:13

They aren't all middle aged, and it's quite sad that you assume a group of men doing something for charity is an odd thing.

Anyway, anyone who works for charity gets something out of it, it is never completely selfless. I say that as someone that does a lot of charity work by the way, I'm not knocking it. So these men all like to get together and congratulate each other on how generous they are and pat each other on the back, so what?

bubblesinthesky Wed 01-May-13 08:27:27

our local masons have a father Christmas sleigh they put on the high street every year complete with father Christmas, a phtographer and presents.

they do it because visiting the commercial grottos is so expensive lots of families cant afford it at all. All free except for 35p towards photo printing costs. Lots of local children wouldnt get a father christmas trip at all if not for them.

not essential but a lovely memory.

sorry for typing breast feeding

whois Wed 01-May-13 08:39:33

They do a lot of good work.

Who cares if they have some secret rituals or handshakes or something, pretty harmless. People like to 'belong' and having traditions/rituals associated helps reinforce that.

So what if they help each other out in their careers? Who you know helps a lot of the time anyway.

maddening Wed 01-May-13 08:44:00

Whois - generally agree but as it is a men's only club looking at it from a female equality pov if they have lots of control in the workplace they are actively working against equality in the workplace-how bad this is depends in how far reaching they are.

Oh Jesus, we had a very long thread on this in relationships a couple of months back. Turned into a bit of a bunfight with people spouting absolute rubbish. Be prepared for more of the same....

doublecakeplease Wed 01-May-13 08:49:38

My Dad was a freemason (the lodge closed so he's not active anymore. Jealous spent his working life down the pit and then worked on a line in a factory - his career wasn't advanced by his membership!)

I used to waitress for them when Dad was Master. We'd serve dinner then the doors were locked for their meeting. I couldn't care less about the secrecy - i don't tell dad what goes on when i go out with friends.

My family are totally working class but the freemasons enabled Mam and dad tp meet some nice people, they raised money for charities etc and they had some fantastic parties.

No harm done to anyone at all.

doublecakeplease Wed 01-May-13 08:50:36

He , not jealous - how did that happen??

PoppyAmex Wed 01-May-13 08:59:02

Annunziata that made me laugh as my DH often says the same!

Longdistance Wed 01-May-13 08:59:09

It is actually all men. The Freemasons I know are influential as in they own their own business's, so do lots for the local community.

My dh and I were invited to a Freemasons dinner, and it was all charity related. Making money for the local hospice. I think they made something like £25k for the local hospice. So not pointless really hmm

Shinigami Wed 01-May-13 09:03:47

I suppose they give David Icke something to write about.

I don't believe for one second they are satanists or shape changing inter-dimensional lizards. Or any of that new world order shit.

Leave them to it I say.

doublecakeplease Wed 01-May-13 09:54:53

Maddening - I believe there is a womem's branch too - although I may be wrong?

aldiwhore Wed 01-May-13 11:09:02

They have collective influence, they can help those in the club. I don't like secrecy, BUT if they want to club together and support each other why not?

I'd prefer it of course if everyone was mutually supportive, but that's idealist.

I'm sure there's corruption, there's corruption everywhere.

My mum's friend's late husband was a freemason, they looked after my mum's friend very well when he died suddenly.

Depending on how you look at it, they're either private or secretive. Nothing wrong with privacy. Secrecy makes boring things appear more glamourous.

MansView Wed 01-May-13 13:34:05

to add - it's an expensive business being a mason, as you normally have to hold dinner parties, put your hands in your pockets a lot etc

doublecakeplease Wed 01-May-13 13:49:44

very true MansView - when my Dad was 'in the chair' he had to provide whisky for some of the meetings - he used to put cheap stuff into decent brand bottles (they never knew the difference!) and I remember trailing the shops for budget fancy presents for his Ladies night!

Wannabestepfordwife Wed 01-May-13 14:12:19

I just see it as a s&m version of the rotary club.

It's really sad all my great grandad wanted was to be a member and he was never invited and now we have a family tradition of turning them down.

Pigsmummy Wed 01-May-13 14:17:21

The vast majority of lifeboats used by the RNLI are funded the Freemasons, so to anyone who has had to call upon the services of a life boat probably shouldn't think that they are pointless.

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