to think is just pants that dc's school do not have a bin for lunchbox detritus at lunchtime?(104 Posts)
Umm is this normal? There are bins for school dinners children but if you have something you want to bin it must stay in your lunch box- it does't matter what it is.
I say this after having:
A) been pissed all over by ds's juice box (why even bother putting the straw in it really?)
b)spent the last ten minutes clearing what appears to be the full contents of a yogurt out of every crevice of DD's lunch box.
c)gagged on the roasted garlic honky smell of very warm Hoormoose that the lid of ds's lunchbox lid was welded together with.... (I didn't have a diamond tipped angle grinder so it was hard that bit)
I was hoping to post this in the "I know I am right please everyone agree with me" topic but that appears to have been moved...meh...
How easy would it be to get space/astronauts food online? That stuff that's just dried out potato and fish heads??
Every school should keep pigs to eat all the left overs. Then sell them to make money for the PTA.
OOOh Chopin ..them would be happy piggies!
Can't answer the first one, but you can get space food on Amazon.
I have now stopped giving dd2 yoghurts or bananas as it's so disgusting to clean the lunchbox.
Ours is the same, in theory it's so you can tell what they've eaten, although obviously you can't if they have school dinners. I have trained mine to put all messy stuff back inside the plastic box and put the lid on before it goes back in their lunchbag, they manage most of the time but I still sometimes have to pop the bag in the washing machine.
I think the main reason that primary don't allow bins is so that the parents can see exactly what has been eaten, otherwise it would be very easy for the DC to put everything in the bin and say that they had eaten it.
I think that pigs are no longer allowed to eat human leftovers so that schools can no longer give leftovers to farmers for pigs.
It is perfectly normal, apparently it is so you can monitor how much they have eaten. It also stops mindless walking around the dinner hall during lunch.
Hawkins bizarre sell astro food.
But that aside yanbu they claim they do it so parents can see whats eaten and what's not but its gross having to sort it out
My dc's school has recently started doing this, and I complained immediatly! Its disgusting.
DS always brings uneaten food home. When he was younger I was quite pleased as it meant I could find out what he was eating.
I'm not really bothered TBH.
And don't schools have to pay for waste collection?
Obviously uneaten food from his packed lunch not a school lunch.
I feel your pain, especially the yogurt-related pain, but I can explain the reasoning behind it. Schools do this not because they don't have a bin but so that you can see what your child has or hasn't eaten. Otherwise you have kids chucking their lunch in the bin and rushing out to play and you are never any wiser. Or kids who always eat the biscuit and never the sandwich or the fruit. So, messy though it is, I've always appreciated the fact that I get to see, as once or twice I've had to take steps with my DC to make sure they were eating a proper lunch.
It's because all that multiplied by however many kids there are = loads more waste for the school to deal with - I can completely understand why they just expect the kids to shove it back the box. It is utterly disgusting dealing with it at the end of the day though.
My school won't allow children to throw the unbeaten contents of their lunch boxes away partly because parents should see what their child has and hasn't eaten, and partly because we don't have the space in the big bin that is emptied weekly by the council to put any more rubbish in it.
Some parents provide a sandwich bag for their children to put rubbish in so that it can go back in ten lunchbox without making a mess.
I've often said that. Usually after I've been leaked on by yet another half drunk drink, or spent hours trying to remove yet another welded on yogurt
According to our school, it's so we can see how much they've eaten. In all honesty, I don't care that much
I think the main reason is to save money on their refuse collection costs while telling parents its so they can see what their kids have eaten.
We don't allow the uneaten contents of lunch boxes to be thrown away either.
Could I suggest a cube plastic washable lunch box (like what we got from Asda) which has 3 or 4 separate compartments. Also use those Frube yogurt things instead of yogurt in a pot. As for the houmous - errr just don't, as that did sound gross. Cheese sandwiches?
They send it home so that you can see what has been eaten!
I thought all schools did this!
So it's not just DS's shambles of a school.....
I will ban all skunk food.
This has only happened recently see.
Because it costs the school in refuse collections to take away your food.
The pig thing is now against some fangled H&S because I queried that.
It's gross. We just give things which don't go squigy ie cheese sandwich, pepper sticks, a satsuma and a couple of biscuits.
No tomatoes, no hummus, no yogurt etc.
It does get better as they get older
And make your kids empty their lunchboxes, helps massively in making sure they pack everything away properly.
I have tried with the little zipped sandwich bag in as refuse collection vessel....that makes it's way to the bin?????- oh how we laughed at the irony
I've trained mine to put their rubbish in their sandwich box. Months of nagging has worked
U get the theory behind it and u appreciate that teachers and dinner ladies are not responsible for cleaning lunch boxes , lets face it who would wanna stick their hands in there. But by god is it disgusting after a hot day.
This drives me up the wall. I suppose they do it so that parents can monitor what their kids are eating, but it's totally gross and a bit OTT imo. We put a zip-lock bag in with his lunch so that DS can shove his rubbish in when he's done- only solution im afraid!
I used to throw my ham bap in the bin every day People like me. We're the reason you are suffering
It is minging, and the bags I provide are often binned.
I prefer it to the children chucking away all uneaten food though, as they will get the same apple everyday until it's gone evil and i expect a core as evidence.
I do think that it wouldn't hurt to write a paragraph and put it in the rambling Newsletter so that all parents understand why the school does this... because we had to pretty much guess, and I find that isn't polite or the best way to get parents on board.
Strange though, if I send the children to school with a bag 'o' lunch, they're allowed to use the bin, if I send them with their spangly wash unfriendly purpose made boxes (gifts) they come home smeared with fromage frais, whether I've privided it or not.
It's a conspiracy.
Scrape a plate? All organic food waste. All disposed of in the same way. Lunch box waste? Horrible mixture of organic, recyclable and landfill. Vastly wasteful, on the whole. If you find it repulsive, why should school lunch staff handle stuff that they haven't prepared/ served?
I find it minting when it's been left out (almost full contents sometimes)
plastering the lunchbox and having sat for 3 hours in a toasty classroom...meh...
I will send them in next week with carrier bags and space food.
I am a dinner lady and most of the kids who have pack ups wouldn't even think to put their left overs in the bin. Some put some rubbish in and I generally don't stop them. It would be a problem if every child emptied their rubbish in the bin as they went out to play. There is enough waste from the school dinners.
But lemonsole thats their job. I dont think anyone wants them to be cleaning up after their children, just that the kids have a bin.
Btw nappy bags are a bit easier than carrier bags to pop in the lunchbox for them to put the rubbish in. Which I take out and put in the playground bin when I pick them up. The head just loves me
If there's that much food left behind perhaps you are giving them too much food? Simple obvious solution, saves mess and money.
I am MSA, too.
We wouldn't stop anyone from taking their stuff to bin but if everyone did it, would mean a lot more moving around the room and more risk of collisions and less actual eating. And us having to change bin bags before 2nd sitting (not impossible, but am not thrilled about the extra job which needs 2 people realistically).
(Saves the environment and angst on MN...)
So that everyone else realises what Devil's work Yogurt tubes are and stops sending them in?
Put a folded up bit of kitchen paper in the bottom of the bag. It makes a big difference imo. I put all our lunchbags through the washer as and when (usually once a week). I managed to find an old fashioned 80's style plastic lunchbox for ds and the little turd dropped it and it smashed. It was so easy to keep clean but too expensive to replace. I find those tube yogurts far too expensive so just put value fromage frais in with a plastic spoon which gets washed and reused if returned. I was sick of my teaspoons disappearing.
at lljkk, they spurt all over my tabard.
If there is this obsession with parents knowing what their DC eat, what systems are in place to feedback what those taking school dinners have eaten/left?
I'm a lunchtime supervisor and TA as well. You do get DC whose parents give them way too much food, so they try to 'dispose' of the healthier, less liked stuff, whole sandwiches, lots of fruit, and they eat the Frubes, the crisps or the Tracker bars. Or give them sandwich fillings they hate. 'It's my worst one, tuna! Can I throw it away?' 'No, take it home and tell mummy you don't like it.' So we monitor the bins.
If they spill yogurt and tell us, we will clean it out. Usually they don't tell us. If they don't like their fruit juice box, they can empty it down the sink, but then they waste it every day. Isn't better that you know what they don't eat? Or just give them a sports bottle of juice that can be closed if not all drunk?
I have worked in a school where we had a dreadful problem with mice in one area - it turned out that 2 year 4 girls were hiding their sandwiches down behind a cupboard every day, so their mums thought they had been eaten. They were seriously on their way to being anorexic. They did not want to get fat.
We also went to view a house once where there was an alleyway behind the garden that was shortcut to the secondary school and the garden was littered with bags of sandwiches that were slung over the fence on the way to/from school. Again, presumably the parents of these kids thought they were eating a healthy lunch.
If you can see what your child has/has not eaten that's a good thing IMO - one reason mine do not have school dinners where you have no idea of what or how much they have had.
Breatheslowly, if we notice that some DC are leaving their hot lunch regularly, we do inform their class teacher who informs their parents. Hungry DC don't concentrate well after lunch.
It's not an obsession. It's simply a check. If children were allowed to through out uneaten food from their packed lunch many of them would simply bin the lot to go out and play.
In my school it would be virtually impossible to do that with a full plate of food as a supervisor is always around the bin for scraps/left overs.
YABU - give them school dinners instead. What is it with this packed lunch thing, after all the hard work Jamie put in...
The 'food' they bring home daily -
Clingfilm (with yogurt smears)
Banana skin (with yogurt smears)
Apple core (with yogurt smears)
Its not left over food, its rubbish! My children eat
far too much fine, I do not need to see a banana peel to know theyve eaten a banana. In my dcs school the bins have been taken away, theyre not allowed to dispose of anything
My DD2 is 10 and, for several years, has been responsible for cleaning out her own lunchbox. I introduced this because she wasn't putting the rubbish in the sandwich box as requested.
Her lunchbox is now a pleasure to clear out on the odd occasion that I do it because she takes care not to let things leak for her own benefit.
I think she started when she was about 6 or 7 but could have done it from younger I'm sure.
Less food - so bananas without skins, oranges without peel, or apples without cores?
I have to disagree with the poster who said, "but it's their job" of lunchtime supervisors. I'd rather they were supervising kids eating or playing, than trying to police three different bins to cover the recyclable from the landfill from the genuine food waste. Why should schools subsidise disposing of the remains of the often over-packaged convenience food that dominates lunch boxes?
School lunch = one plate; one scrape. Job done. It's clear to me that if you want to opt out of the meal service that us provided, you are responsible for it from start to finish. Even if your reasons for not having school lunches are very good ones, that's not an unreasonable expectation, surely.
If your kids are not respecting you by bringing home a smeary mess, then get them to clean it out. They'll soon learn.
This shits me up the wall, but at my school it is thus:
Parents know what their kids are and are not eating. Give them one of your Mullerlights...they don't eat it - you know they are not eating it. Same with babybells, Frubes, you name it, these things are expensive so if they were binning it daily and you didn't know, you might be pissed I spose...
Ditto Ribena Plus Froot Shoots whatever else
School dinners - okay so they scrape but they created it in the first place so it's their responsibility
The "so you know what your child is eating" thing gives me the irates a bit, a totally eaten banana - don't want the skin, ta. Same with tangerines. If its half eaten, fair play, but eaten in full? What doesn't come home is gone? Bah.
Of course it would make more sense if all school food, plastic and paper waste was collected in school in proper comercial recycling bins, rather than carted home, where we have no plastic recycling. But when did common sense come into anything relating to schools and their interaction with the local council.
I dont load my dc's lunch boxes unless you think a very small sarnie/fruit/yog/jelly etc is too much. I normally put drinks in a sports bottle and that leaks all over the shop- I had a box left over from the weekend hence that going in.
This was light hearted thread- nobody get your panties in a bunch.
Right, am armed with some top tips from here. Thank you canny mums....
<<gets measured for a tabard>>
hahaha Lemonsole...hahaha I have smeary mess bastard kids...with NO MANNERS... You make me larf.
It's standard so you see what they have or haven't eaten.
LOL it could be worse - they could give dcs doggy bags of school dinners to take home...
There is a lad who brings in a fresh white paperbag every day with his lunch in it, come to think of it. Must have become his family solution.
I think DD's lunchbox cost £12, bet you could buy like 20 weeks worth of paper bags for that.
So lemonsole you dont think the dinnerladies should assist those children who have to have packed lunches at all? Nice.
Also, its not a question of disrespectful children. When there was a bin, they put everything in the bin. Now there is not one they cannot do that.
Clearly space food and paper bags are the way forward
I think DD's lunchbox cost £12, bet you could buy like 20 weeks worth of paper bags for that.
You can buy 250 for £16!
Of course they help to eat, if they need it. Opening yogurts, blah, blah.
It's simply that waste disposal is not (as I have already said a couple of times) a question of A bin; it would need at least two, plus suitable policing. Waste disposal costs, and in the current climate it's probably a good call by the school to prioritise areas that add value and to leave stuff that can be done at home to be done at home. Like emptying lunch boxes.
And yes, I do think that leaving the box in a smeary mess is disrespectful to whoever has made your lunch. Not sure what the point being made there was.
So the policy is in fact due to costs then? Not, as has been stated by my dcs school and several people on this thead, to help prevent food wastage.
That is what irks me, that the schools arent honest about these things.
And wtf is a 7yo supposed to do with an empty yogurt pot when the bin has been taken away? Of course its going to end up in a smeary mess, she couldnt clean it ir dispose of it
Frozen yoghurt or fromage tubes save on yoghurt mess and help to keep the rest of the lunch cool. I use a sectioned Sistema box for DS which cuts down on packaging and what comes home. Agree it is useful to see what they have eaten and cuts down on school waste costs.
Give a child with a lunchbox a bin to tip the contents into, and you can say goodbye to any Tupperware or spoons that you packed. Hummus in packed lunch? Seriously?
Christ, what a shit rule.
So they tell you what you can give them for dinner, then they don't even let them throw the rubbish in the bins? FFS!
By the time the lunchbox has been relocated and brought home it would be easier to identify new types antibiotics.
We have about 60 school dinners in a school of 280. That leaves 220 packed lunches. That's 1,100 crisp packets, 1,100 juice cartons, 1,100 yogurt pots, 1,100 sandwich wrappers/fruit winder wrappers etc etc per week. Schools pay for waste collection. They can't afford to dispose of the sheer volume of waste produced by packed lunches.
Parents also need to see what kids are eating. I'm forever telling kids, who tell me they don't like ham/cheese/jam, to tell their parents to give them something else. However, children often say that because they are more interested in going out to play first than eating. Although I have every sympathy with the odd child who refuses to eat the un-microwaved Rustler or ginormous Ginsters pasty from the garage.
Too much waste going home means you've given them to much or they don't like what you've given them.
Forgive the aside but
That's 1,100 crisp packets
Do the overwhelming majority of the children really have a packet of crisps every day?
Yes, actually, indeed they do. I take it you get the general idea? If it's not a packet of crisps, it's a packet of something else. Say a child had 3 bits of rubbish to dispose of daily. 3,300 a week. 13,200 a month. 128,700 every year. People don't see the bigger picture. Just what affects them.
So I assume there are official figures that state the amount of refuse produced per meal/per child that prove a meal brought in from home generates far more refuse than a meal cooked on the premises? Or in the case of some schools, transported into the premises?
Just reminded me of DS who threw his bag of sandwiches under a bush on the way home from school only for it to be found by my friend's dog when we were walking home a few days later!
You're asking for trouble putting yoghurt in. I don't take one to work because last time it exploded all over my desk. If I can't eat one without making a mess at 40 years old, then I've no chance with the DCs.
I make mine eat the leftovers as an after school snack [tightarse]
Same at my dc school. It annoyed me greatly at the beginning, especially with regard to the yoghurts. I continue to give yoghurts but the dc are not much better at putting the pot inside their plastic sandwich tub which contains the mess.
I do like being able to see exactly what they have / have not eaten.
I don't understand why this bothers anyone.
Rubbish in a packed lunch? Put it in your bin.
Genuinely don't see the issue.
DS's school does this. Lunch bags full of crusts and god knows what else. I wash his lunch bag out every day and wash every few weeks
1 plastic lunch box (80's style)
1 plastic Tupperware box in lunch box
Sandwich in Tupperware
Yoghurt (frozen when purchased and put into lunch box from freezer)
Cereal bar, or sometimes cake, or a couple of fig rolls, or a kitkat
Piece of fruit
DC's know to put all rubbish in the Tupperware box.
DC's have to empty said rubbish in the bin - composting as appropriate when they get home.
I usually wash out boxes, but sometimes ask dc1 (10) to
They started off v v messy, but since they have to sort own boxes when they get home they quickly got less messy
Insulated lunch packs are minging, all those creases for bits to get stuck in, yuck
It bothers me as its unhygenic, unneseccary and is a money saving stratergy thats claimed to be for the children.
Not noticed any of the teachers walking around with day old banana peels in their handbags...
Theyre allowed bins
Our school is now a rubbish free school. I was against it at first, but now I love it. Parents must send food ready to eat in reusable containers, no more rubbish at all. Want to send yoghurt? Then put it in a container. Crisps need to be taken out of their packet and put in a container.
Most of the kids use the nude food boxes which have divided sections and a variety of fruit and vegetable containers as well. It also means no more parents complaining because their child threw out their best piece of tupperware, and no more smelly food waste in the bins, which means less rodents (we don't have school lunches here). It's also making the kids think about rubbish more and we tied it in with a big recycling campaign. The kids even bring their own containers now on our weekly tuckshop day so that they're not getting their food in plastic wrap or paper. It's great seeing them lined up with their little plates or containers waiting to buy their lunch.
And NotKathyReichs, the same rules apply for teachers here too. We can't expect the children to follow it if we aren't prepared to do so as well.
Do the overwhelming majority of the children really have a packet of crisps every day?
Yes, or something similar like Skips/Cheddars/little rice cakes. One of mine (packaged food junkie) has crisps all school days. I think there was a formal survey published about this,not just speaking from my experience (MSA).
Empty crisp bags don't turn into much rubbish by volume, can't do. Sandwich crusts comprise the bulk of pack lunch rubbish,I reckon. Huge amount of waste.
Reception DS noticed that others don't eat crusts at school lunch so he doesn't want to, either (argh). I very thinly cut the crust off for his packed lunch (obsessive, I know, but I hate the waste). And then he eats every bite. Most kids leave so much crust you'd think it was a toxic layer.
It's not unhygienic at all. It's just food waste and packets.
It has been explained why it's necessary more than once on this thread.
Why mention handbags? Children are not being asked to put food waste in their pockets or school bags but back in the box or bag it came in.
Wouldn't bother me at all, op!
YABU. Children need to take it home so parents know what has been eaten.
In my dds primary school, everyone eats their lunch at tables, then a box or bag is passed round each table to put the rubbish in, so no-one is running around the dinner hall at bins.
If my kids don't eat their lunch, they don't eat their lunch, they tell me they didn't eat it, I don't need to see it.
My kids aren't even allowed to pack lunches, how weird, I thought this was an English thing. Hm. What is their school up to? I'd much prefer to pack them.
I hate this but it's good I know what dd is eating and what she likes and dislikes. I don't give her yoghurt anymore for lunch. She gets enough calcium from cheese and milk and home. I still have to clear up leaky cucumber and olive juices mixed with grated cheese and cake crumbs though.
Wigglesrock, that's great that your DC are so honest with you and you don't mind if they waste their packed lunch, but there are many DC who don't have such a relationship and will throw away food secretly. There are also many parents who do want to know what their DC has eaten.
The school can't know what each DC is likely to do or each individual patent's preference. There has to be be rule for everyone so surely it's better that those parents who are bothered about what their DC eat and maybe can't afford lots of waste, get to see what their DC do and do not eat?
Trouble is you don't actually know they ate it. Or whether the yogurt burst before lunch soaked their sarnie and that's y they didn't eat it. Oy now mummy puts less in cos she assumes its too much food as it was left. It's hard to gauge how much of anything was eaten when the yogurt is everywhere or the sarnie in a billion crumbs from banging around in a lunch box all day. Maybe they sneaked it all at break time or swapped with a friend or dropped it etc. if your children can't tell you if they ate it or not then tbh your still none the wiser with a pile of drink and yogurt mush left.
1. The school has to pay to have refuse collected.
2. You can see what your child has eaten
My DD has one of those padded bag lunch boxes. I have always washed them in my washing machine. They don't fall apart!
As a childminder I always send the uneaten elements of children's lunches home because I want the parents to know what their child has/hasn't eaten. It's not because I don't want their rubbish in my bin, although I do understand the cost implications for schools.
It is clearly cheaper for schools to send lunchbox rubbish home for disposal but perhaps they also feel it is helpful for parents to see what their child has eaten. There isn't a realistic way to achieve this for children who have hot meals so they just accept that it isn't possible but, when it is so easy to achieve for those on packed lunches, it makes perfect sense to do so.
Not sure how healthy Frubes are, but they create less mess and I don't lose so many spoons.
Yes, but most children aren't going to fade away if they miss their lunch, and I think over policing of meals and what kids have eaten in general adds to a food anxiety in general which kids pick up on and in turn makes them afraid to not eat everything on their plate or to start hiding food, lying about what they've eaten.
I think over policing of meals and what kids have eaten in general adds to a food anxiety in general which kids pick up on and in turn makes them afraid to not eat everything on their plate or to start hiding food, lying about what they've eaten.
I use the information to monitor my DD's anxiety levels (she doesn't even attempt to eat when she's too anxious and her old school would never have told me she hadn't eaten) and so I know whether I'm including things she doesn't like. She puts it all in the bin herself at home anyway as it's her job to clear out her lunchbox but she will ask me if she should leave things in for the next day if they are untouched.
You could use the evidence to give your children food they will eat.
You could put a plastic bag in the box for the rubbish.
You could get your child to empty their lunchbox and wash it out at home.
Leave the yoghurt out if they can't manage it neatly.
Jewelledsky is making a lot of sense, you may well be able to check a child's yoghurt or banana skin to see if it is empty or only partly-eaten, but you are only dealing with a few children. Over a hundred in a shift system when many reception still need physical assistance and verbal encouragement is unmanageable.
Agree wiggles eating all of the lunch is seen as an achievement as they get given a sticker. And if my dd leaves anything she always apologises. I dont like how shes made so aware of what she has or hasnt eatenat 6,thats how issues are made. want my children to eat what they want to eat. And to stop when they are full. They r not in trouble should they leave their lunch, sometimes people just don't feel like eating. They are hungry after school regardless of whether lunch was eaten or not. Dinner has already been planned and is not based on how much lunch they have eaten.
I do get annoyed when DS's lunchbox comes home with its entire contents coated on yoghurt but I appreciate the act that I can keep tabs on what he is or isn't eating for lunch.
To be fair, if the less really bothered me that much I'd make more of an effort not to pack messy food.
So would you all prefer that we went back to the old days of your child choosing whether or not to eat their lunch, and no communication about it as it isn't part of a teacher's responsibilities? Along with parental decisions about what to put into lunchboxes being theirs alone?
LTS could be specifically to assist reception or those with additional needs, and crowd control.
Complain to the LEA and the government and get all the daft hoops, rules and certificates chucked out.
Yes, I hate this too.
The DDs lunch-boxes, often really honk, especially in warm months when they've had something cheesy, or a Frube has leaked, or a banana skin has oozed...it's vile.
And, as other have said, I don't actually really care what they've eaten at lunch. It's up to them, whether they eat their packed lunch, or not. I only ever see lunch-box grub, as snacking/picnic food, anyway.
They have a good breakfast - and they get a snack, followed by a good dinner when they get home, anyway.
Some parents resent pressure about what and how much to eat, other parents have a rage if their child didn't eat enough. Staff would be better off not being involved at all.
Our school had a dinner
nazi nun who inspected all the lunchboxes as the pupils went to leave the dining room. Any rubbish could then go in the bin next to her, but she was pretty anal about making kids go back to eat their crusts or apples and would stay with them til they did!
It's nothing new. Some of my kids have left High School now so it's years since they were at primary and they did this then.
Not a big deal. you can see what the kids have ate or left behind, chuck waste in your bin and clean the container.
What's the problem?
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