to not get what is wrong with 'squash'?

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I guess this is a bit of thread about a thread blush A lot of people on another thread are saying they don't like their DC having squash but will allow fruit juice or smoothies. I am wondering why?
My first choice of drink for DS is water or milk. But he is allowed squash, juice or milkshake occasionally.

I wasn't aware anything was wrong with it till I came on Mumsnet. It's all the sugar/sweeteners etc. DS drinks squash but as he scrubs his teeth twice a day, uses mouh wash etc etc I really can't see the harm. I would rather he drink water but he hates it so squash it is and ocassionally, god forbid, a touch of diet cokes

<waits to get struck down>

usualsuspect Mon 29-Apr-13 15:37:05

It's a mn thing,only water from fresh mountain streams is good enough for the mn children.

ilovexmastime Mon 29-Apr-13 15:37:16

I just asked the same thing on that thread!
What's wrong with squash - in moderation?
I thought that fruit juice was worse, as it has more sugar?

I'm not keen on too much sugar, but I'd rather DS had sugar than sweeteners.

yaimee Mon 29-Apr-13 15:41:02

There isn't anything wrong with most things in moderation imo.
But some people like to feel superior, so their children only drink the tears of angels.

pinkyredrose Mon 29-Apr-13 15:42:39

I agree with ilovexmastime I think pure fruit juice is worse, more acidic and higher in sugar.

choceyes Mon 29-Apr-13 15:43:00

Squash is just sugary water with a tiny bit of fruit juice in it isn't it? How is that healthy? OK for a party for not for everyday IMO.
Fruit juice is sugary as well ofcourse, but at least it might have some vitamins in it. But still not as good as water or milk. I'm lucky that I have DCs that drink water or milk I guess. They do love a bit of squash when it's available at nursery or at a party but they never ask for it at home. They know we don't have it in.

ShatnersBassoon Mon 29-Apr-13 15:44:18

I've know one squash disallower in real life. The children are allowed water or diluted juice and the kids themselves believe squash is toxic. They also think satsumas are sweets, according to their mum. Only they know what sweets are really because I let them look in my treats tin when they asked what it was and they said they love Pez grin

grin yaimee!
I agree about everything in moderation - DS even has the dread fruit shoot sometimes although I cringe at the rankness, have you tasted those things?

ilovexmastime Mon 29-Apr-13 15:45:38

I'm sure I remember reading somewhere, when my Dc were little, that too much fruit juice is the leading cause of malnutrition in the UK.

phantomnamechanger Mon 29-Apr-13 15:46:29

See, in my mind it's about the quality. As well as the sugars vs sweeteners thing. At least most are less full of E numbers and nasties thesedays.

A ribena or a high juice I don't mind, but an every day bargain basement own brand squash drunk in pints at a time -no. My DD has had terrible skin reactions that we put down to the crappy cheap squash she was getting at nursery.

I know a child who had to have nearly all their teeth out before even starting school from being given squash in a bottle all day long.

But dont get me started on flavoured waters either - some of those have as much sugar as fizzy drinks!

Sugarice Mon 29-Apr-13 15:47:16

There's nothing wrong with squash.

Mine are older now but they loved ribena when they were little, hot or cold, just not so concentrated that it might damage their teeth and it was never in a bottle.

No fillings for any of them and now they're older they've replaced squash with coffee, hot chocolate [have you seen the sugar content in that stuff!] and alcohol. wink

ilovexmastime Mon 29-Apr-13 15:47:51

Fruit shoots are like undiluted squash, I hate them. Whenever my DC have had one they start complaining that the squash I give them in too weak.
Tough is the answer to that smile

I was a juice/ squash/ milkshake disallower when DS was smaller tbh. Before he started going to parties, nursery etc. But squash and juice are as bad as each other IMO.

freddiefrog Mon 29-Apr-13 15:48:33

I've no idea either.

I buy full sugar versions as the sweeteners in the no added sugar versions give my eldest DD terrible stomach pains, and they drink it in moderation

Both my DDs drink lots of water, they're only allowed water at school and tend to just get a glass of water from the tap at home

They don't drink lots of squash, they have occasional glasses of lemonade and coke and I'm fine with that

loofet Mon 29-Apr-13 15:49:03

Fresh fruit juice is NATURAL sugar from fruit and contains vitamin C, squash is just flavourings, sugar and/or carcinogenic sweeteners. No nutritional goodness whatsoever, just bad for you. So as a party drink fresh juice would be far better.

superbagpuss Mon 29-Apr-13 15:49:20

my boys have water or milk normally, squash at parties

we buy squash for me and dh, better for us then pop or having hot drinks

Squash ingredients:
Water,Comminuted Orange From Concentrate (11%) ,Citric Acid ,Flavourings ,Sweeteners (Sodium Saccharin, Aspartame) ,Preservatives (Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Metabisulphite) ,Stabilisers (Carboxymethylcellulose, Acacia) ,Acidity Regulator (Sodium Citrate) ,Colour (Beta-Carotene)

I can't stand the taste of sweeteners so we give watered down fruit juice. Still sugary but at least there's fewer chemicals. Do I get extra worthiness points for buying organic when I can too?

What is wrong with wanting to reduce the number of additives/chemicals that a child (or anyone) consumes?

seriouscakeeater Mon 29-Apr-13 15:49:41

usual grin how very true lol

Every thing in moderation................. you never know if you ban it they might turn in to a squash junkie in there teenage tears sad Next they will be banning any treats or 'fun' at children's party's and just have to stand still and shake hands.

whilst is stand in the corner slugging wine

Sugar-free squash often has aspartame in it which is linked with cancer apparently. Not all squash has it though. Well watered down normal squash is fine IMO, fruit juice should also be watered down because that's very sugary too (but has the same natural sugars as solid fruit and I assume we don't object to that!?) but its easy enough water it down a bit to avoid hyperactive children if nothing else :p obviously we all have things with sugar in, we brush our teeth morning and night and our teeth stay fine. It's just common sense. I water down fruit juice for myself now because apparently you're more likely to be obese if you regularly drink fruit juices?! Can't recall where I heard that though!?

I think if you think of your own childhood and use that as a guide you'll probably realise that half of the things people preach about your own parents did for you and you've turned out fine ;)

ilovexmastime Mon 29-Apr-13 15:49:50

Also, my dentist told me off for drinking too much fruit juice... it's taken the enamel off my front teeth!

xigris Mon 29-Apr-13 15:51:08

I'm with Bullet - it's not the sugar that bothers me, it's all the artificial crap like aspartame and saccharine that I don't like. My boys have water, milk and watered- down fruit juice as pure juice is very high in sugar. They do have squash very occasionally but I try to make sure it's not the 'no added sugar' type. It's not that I'm anti squash, when I was preg I drank loads of lemon barley water in lieu of gin and wine I just think there's better things for them to drink

Tee2072 Mon 29-Apr-13 15:51:14

The only squash in this house has sweetners, my husband drinks it. I'm not keen on our son (nearly 4) having it, but I've sort of given up the battle as my husband sees nothing wrong with it.

I'd rather he have juice and brush his teeth properly!

choceyes Mon 29-Apr-13 15:51:17

why is squash better than hot drinks?

Startail Mon 29-Apr-13 15:53:30

I don't know about malnutrition, but fruit juice on the table at playdates leads to decent food being wasted.

DD2 is a horror at filling up on juice rather than being bothered to eat. Since she hates milk or water (BF for years and breast milk is sweet), she gets sugar free squash.

I'd rather avoid the sweatners, but both DDs took so long to drink anything I worried about their teeth

GirlOutNumbered Mon 29-Apr-13 15:54:36

I grew up in squash and cherry aid, but my mum taught me to brush my teeth properly. I have no fillings and still only drink squash or fizz.

People are so precious.

xigris Mon 29-Apr-13 15:54:45

PS michelle I recently joined slimming world as I put on loads of weight with DS3 who's now 4 months. I drank litres of pure orange juice. The SW consultant reckons that's why I put on so much weight. I've cut juice out almost completely and I lost 11lbs with out that much effort <hides mars bar wrapper consumed on the way back from the supermarket> grin

Honsandrevels Mon 29-Apr-13 15:54:52

I'm a real life squash disallower smile I don't give them fruit juice either <polishes halo>

Mine are only 4 and 2 though. I'm not planning on keeping it up when they're teenagers!

GirlOutNumbered Mon 29-Apr-13 15:55:04

On squash, not in it! Although I did drink a lot of it!

superbagpuss Mon 29-Apr-13 15:56:29

most hot drinks - tea and coffee - have caffeine which is addictive and stops you getting a good nights sleep

hot choc is full of calories

squash is mostly water with flavouring and as an adult I would rather have a glass of that if thirsty.

alcohol only on Fri or sat night smile

does anyone else have adverse reactions with fruit juice?

Dahlen Mon 29-Apr-13 15:56:30

Fruit juice is really bad for teeth. I know several people whose DC have had fillings/extractions caused by drinking too much juice despite being very 'up' on healthy eating, no sweets, etc. It's best to drink fruit juice with a meal.

My approach is to only let the DC have water/milk most of the time (e.g at home, at CMs and at school, so about 90% of the time), but to happily let them have any old crap when we're out and about. Everything in moderation, much the same as my own approach to food (I eat really healthily 90% of the time, but don't deny myself crisps or chocolate if I'm out and fancy some).

KellyElly Mon 29-Apr-13 15:56:35

My DD drinks a cup of squash every day, usually with lunch or dinner. The Robinsons no added sugar orange and pineapple. I must be a bad mother grin.

valiumredhead Mon 29-Apr-13 15:56:42

It's sugar in water and terrible for teeth. Ds has never had it at home <the only thing I feel smug about wink> Juice is just as bad but attacks the teeth as it's acidic rather than sugary.

Dahlen Mon 29-Apr-13 15:57:09

Oops - forgot to say that I don't know what's wrong with squash really, apart from the fact that it tastes bloody awful.

Fakebook Mon 29-Apr-13 15:57:21

It's the aspartame.

EmmaBemma Mon 29-Apr-13 15:57:39

There is absolutely nothing wrong with squash at all, but I only buy the sugary variety.

GirlOutNumbered Mon 29-Apr-13 16:00:19

I love orange and pineapple squash, drink gallons of it!

notso Mon 29-Apr-13 16:00:40

I hate squash it all tastes vile except vimto and really strong ribena. I am trying to loose weight so I only drink water or tea.
School have indoctrinated DS1 and he won't drink full sugar squash so I buy juice and sugar free. All my DC drink water, two of them drink milk but they all have some sort of juice as well.

Why squash is a party must-have baffles me though, I don't really see it a treat drink and I don't think my DC would either.

TigerSwallowTail Mon 29-Apr-13 16:01:02

seriouscakeeater shaking hands can pass germs, much better to let them have a quick wave at each other instead.

EmmaBemma Mon 29-Apr-13 16:01:34

just out of interest, people do realise that fruit juice has sugar in it too, right?

JollyPurpleGiant Mon 29-Apr-13 16:01:53

DS is 2 and only gets diluting juice if he's ill. And then it is full sugar ribena.

I drink plenty of It myself though.

I have a strong objection to artificial sweetners and I really struggle to drink water first think in the morning so I start most days with Ribena or High Juice.

I don't like anything with Aspartame in and don't give it to my children. I don't have squash in the house and fruit juice is limited to once a day with lunch. The rest of the time its water or milk.

D0GWithAYoni Mon 29-Apr-13 16:07:24

I am a squash disallower, well I wouldn't be a loon and tell them no at a party but I will not buy it. It's mostly full of aspartame and or sodium benzonate, they're both pretty nasty and we don't even yet know long term health effects of aspartame. I am not a sugar is banned lentil weaver type but I just see no need for squash, we don't really have juice either, sometimes as a treat milk or water in this house, though dc4 is partial to a sip of my tea grin

ILoveFrogs Mon 29-Apr-13 16:08:25

My DS has only ever drank milk or water purely because I only drink water so I never have juice in the house. I don't mind him having dilute juice outside the house but he genuinely doesn't like it, we were at a birthday party last month and he was given orange juice but he came up to us asking us for water and didn't touch the orange juice.

I don't have a holier than thou attitude about these sorts of things, he does get a limited amount of crap to eat, we can't leave a supermarket without a bloody kinder egg!

WorraLiberty Mon 29-Apr-13 16:08:51

It's a mn thing,only water from fresh mountain streams is good enough for the mn children.

And blessed by the Pope, naturally grin

D0GWithAYoni Mon 29-Apr-13 16:08:57

I would refer squash with sugar in btw, I don't mind them having a bit of sugar. My dc think I'm evil because although I allow chocolate I don't really let them have sweets or those crappy lollies, unless they're in party bags. They're just yucky for teeth.

AngryGnome Mon 29-Apr-13 16:12:20

Fruit juice has heaps of sugar in it. Smoothies are even worse - just because it is natural doesn't mean it is healthy.

The problem with something like smoothies is having a lot more fruit sugars than you would have if you were just eating the fruit itself. The fibre in fruit fills you up and so you don't consume as much sugar - eg a smoothie might contain an apple, a pear, a banana and some strawberries- that's a lot of fruit sugar. A toddler would be unlikely to eat all of that in one go, but could easily down 2 or 3 smoothies ina day. That means that they're getting a lot of fruit sugar and that isn't necessarily healthy.

Everything in moderation though - denying kids food rarely works well, especially as they by older so far better for them to get used to having squash/fruit juice/hot choc etc as a treat.

peeriebear Mon 29-Apr-13 16:12:24

I only buy sweetener-free squash. I am a bit of a zealot about it. They can brush their teeth, but they can't take the chemicals back out of their bodies. I don't buy anything with aspartame or acesulfame K in it, even though they've been certified risk free- I've heard too many bad reports.
Plus sweeteners taste fucking RANK.

givemeaclue Mon 29-Apr-13 16:12:58

Juice is really bad for teeth as are smoothies due to fruit acid

landofsoapandglory Mon 29-Apr-13 16:14:39

My DC had squash, juice, fizzy drinks (occasionally), milk and water. They both have lovely teeth, no fillings and now at 16 & 18 their drink of choice is water.

I've always gone with everything in moderation.

quoteunquote Mon 29-Apr-13 16:19:11

People must assume I don't allow it, as often when my children ask for a drink of water, they get the "I'm sure mummy won't mind just this once" as an adult offers them squash.

None of them have ever liked it, they like water,

I wouldn't buy anything with aspartame in or any of the other artificial sweeteners,

but if they wanted to drink it else where I wouldn't mind, but they don't like the taste,

they drink a lot of water and milk, some juice, up to them really.

I expect because I don't buy the artificial stuff, they aren't use to the taste,

we make quite a few cordials ourselves, very easy, but if you can't be bothered, I really recommend Tom Morrow's above links, really brilliant, I often buy them direct.

Flicktheswitch Mon 29-Apr-13 16:21:23

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Isn't squash that fruit/vegetable?

I call it juice. My son has it, i have it and my family have it. We are yet to explode

CrystalQueen Mon 29-Apr-13 16:24:23

OMG, do people not know that orange juice is also full of E numbers - E300. AKA vitamin C. E numbers are not the enemy.
We drink squash, and since my DH is diabetic it's the extra artificial sort.

havingamadmoment Mon 29-Apr-13 16:25:46

I dont know I tend to avoid talking on here about my children and what they drink because in reality they drink pretty much anything - water, milk, squash, fruit juice and yes fizzy drinks. However, they are all healthy weights, never needed any fillings or had bad teeth of any kind and sometimes choose water, sometimes choose something else.

I drink pepsi like its going out of fashion and I have never had any kind of health problems - the only filling I ever had was when I was 7 and was a result of drinking fruit juice according to my dentist grin since I didnt have fizzy drinks or sweets then!

I actually think my children have a really good mix in their diet. They have some things that are good for them and some things which just taste nice as do most adults I know.

gordyslovesheep Mon 29-Apr-13 16:25:56

Mine drink it ...sugar free stuff with sucralose in ...everything 'causes cancer' these days so I try not to get caught up in health scares ...

Mintyy Mon 29-Apr-13 16:26:56

There's squash and squash, isn't there? I buy Rock's organic squash when I'm feeling flush or any sweetener-free High Juice when I'm not.

havingamadmoment Mon 29-Apr-13 16:29:03

Oh we get everything sugar free, sugar free squash ,pepsi mas etc. Just out of habit my mum was diabetic when I was growing up so anything we shared (like squash and fizzy drink) was sugar free. I was under the impression that the link between sweetners and cancer had been proved wrong.

How does milk cause more issue than squash please?

Thurlow Mon 29-Apr-13 16:29:40

At the moment I only give DC water and milk, but it's not out of any raging anti-sugar sentiments. She's addicted to fruit so she gets plenty of sugar anyway, so I'd rather not introduce any extra to her diet if I can help it. Also DP and I don't drink anything other than water, tea and coffee, so there's nothing else in the house, but again that's more habit than anything - and tbh, if there was fizzy stuff in the house we would both drink it quickly, so it is easier not to buy it.

I'd prefer that her default was to drink water, but as she gets older and becomes aware of squash, smoothies and fizzy drinks I won't stop her drinking it. It just won't be in the house so it will only be available to her when out and about or at parties etc, until she's old enough to ask for it to be bought on the weekly shop, and we'll cross that bridge when that happens.

I'm absolutely not strict about food but I think when children are young and aren't aware of thinks like coke, chocolate and sweets, why go out of your way to introduce it? They'll want and probably have enough of it when they are older. If they still think a beaker of water and a bowl of peas is exciting, why change that?

MarmaladeTwatkins Mon 29-Apr-13 16:38:35

I let DS have squash AND diet coke.

But I think I can see two horns and a forked tail sprouting so I wouldn't advise it.

Marmalade shock You let him have coke?! Has he not exploded yet? grin

I was brought up to drink what ever I wanted and I survived. Just.

Chiggers Mon 29-Apr-13 16:45:02

Wasn't there a documentary on a few months back stating that not all E-numbers are bad. In fact, a fair few E-numbers are actually naturally occurring substances. That said, there are a lot of E-numbers that are synthetic (man made) and they're the ones to be avoided if possible. There are natural foods that are used as preservatives. Salt is widely known as a preservative and turmeric a naturally occurring yellow colourant, also known as curcumin or E100. So not all E-numbers are evil.

Anyway, I'll put away as many different E-numbers as I can because at my age, I could do with all the preservatives I can get my hands on wink.

Squitten Mon 29-Apr-13 16:46:36

My kids don't have squash purely because we don't buy it! Hate the taste of it - same reason I hate that fruit water crap. Bleugh....

They have water, milk and fruit juice.

Aspartame isn't bad for you, though, is it? It's just a couple of amino acids that you consume in large quantities if you drink milk and eat fruit and vegetables. If you think aspartic acid and methyl ester are bad for you, you better stop giving your kids milk and juice. If they're ok though, you can give them aspartame ...

Sugar-full squash has the same amount of sugar as juice, 10g in 100ml. Both of them contain NATURAL sugar of course. One from fruit, one from sugar cane ...

Flicktheswitch Mon 29-Apr-13 16:49:47

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

EggsMichelle Mon 29-Apr-13 16:49:58

Fruit shoots are nasty, as is pre diluted ribena, they give me migraines they are so sweet. However Tesco own NAS squash has been my drink of choice since I was very small, and apart from the current but of baby weight I'm carrying, I have always been fit and healthy with all my teeth and no fillings.

Oh I wish ds2 would drink coke. He has T1 diabetes, it would be sooo useful. Nice, fast-acting glucose. I wonder if I can train him to like it somehow. Any tips?

wonderingagain Mon 29-Apr-13 16:50:28

Fruit juice is terrible for teeth and has as much sugar in it as coke.

Squash can be diluted to have much less sugar and berry cordials have a lot of vitamin C.

MarmaladeTwatkins Mon 29-Apr-13 16:52:36

I was brought up to drink what ever I wanted and I survived. Just."

I can imagine you swigging vodka in your high chair wink

Chiggers Mon 29-Apr-13 16:54:04

I've been told by a lot of the dentists in my area that Petite Filous have more sugar in them than the supermarket value yoghurts. I didn't believe it at first, but every dentist at my surgery have said as much as has the dentists at the surgery my cousin works at. Not to mention the dentists at the surgeries I used to deliver their headed paper to (I used to work in a commercial printers).

MarmaladeTwatkins Mon 29-Apr-13 16:55:58

Petit Filous are the devil. They cause tooth decay and are not as good for your children as the marketing would have you believe.

Cantbelieveitsnotbutter Mon 29-Apr-13 16:56:23

My ds had a massive full fat coke float yesterday, we are going to hell aren't we?!

Marmalade My mum wasn't that nasty, obviously there was coke in the bottle too grin

expatinscotland Mon 29-Apr-13 16:59:28

It's got sweetners in it. Boak.

claraschu Mon 29-Apr-13 17:02:54

Squash is repulsive.

Thurlow Mon 29-Apr-13 17:07:33

Chiggers, I buy Sainsbury's Value fromage frais and I'm sure I remember spotting that the sugar content was lower than Petit Filous, which of course I claim is the reason why I buy them not solely because they are a quarter of the price

thermalsinapril Mon 29-Apr-13 17:08:30

YANBU. Squash is mostly water with a little sugar, perhaps with a bit of fruit juice in there. "Natural" drinks contain sugars too, whether it's fruit sugar or just sucrose. Squash is more refreshing than most drinks and if you buy it without artificial colours/flavours/sweeteners then there's nothing wrong with it. It's cheaper too. I certainly wouldn't be put off squash for reasons of snobbery.

MousyMouse Mon 29-Apr-13 17:08:58

squashes usually contain artificial sweeteners.
if they didn't I would be happy for my dc to drink it regularly.

matchpoint Mon 29-Apr-13 17:12:26

I don't like squash because it is crappy sugary water, devoid of nutritional value and terrible for teeth.

I don't allow my DDs to drink it-which is easy enough as we don't keep it in the house. I'm sure they drink it at friend's houses, school etc. which isn't something I can police, so I just keep my fingers crossed.

flowery Mon 29-Apr-13 17:20:21

My two mainly have water with occasionally an orange or apple juice. I'm not violently against squash, and drink it myself, but can't see any point giving it to the DC when they're perfectly happy with water because that's what they've always had.

Our dentist always says if they have to have flavour, squash is better than juice.

JimbosJetSet Mon 29-Apr-13 17:24:12

I don't drink anything at all apart from squash - so can someone tell me, as an adult, is sugar free or regular squash better for me?

Or am I doomed either way?

Ah, yes flick. I was thinking about it in the context of sugar/ artificial sweeteners etc.
Humans aren't naturally lactose tolerant after about 5yo I believe, but obviously people must develop tolerance or everyone would be like me and vom after milk!

I think you're doomed Jumbo. hides NAS vimto and coke zero

We don't have squash often. DD drinks milk and water mostly...she has squash at my Mums and sometimes here. I only buy high juice and I won't buy the sugar free version. Mainly because I think artificial sweeteners taste like absolute shit. I'd rather have PROPER sugar...just not as much/often.

Sometimes she gets a sprinkle of Nesquik in her milk though I'm the Devil

TheCountessOlenska Mon 29-Apr-13 17:49:36

I'm the classic bf-er who makes all you ff-ers feel better - DD had nothing but bf for 6 months, fed her till she was 2 and a half, but all that breastmilk left her with a terrible sweet tooth! Turned her nose up at plain water from day one ... has always had fruit juice with water, then the dreaded Fruit Shoot when out (bad mummy always forgets to bring a drink after so long only needing her boobs with her), now squash at home as I thought possibly kinder on teeth than fruit juice blush blush

EmmaBemma Mon 29-Apr-13 17:53:34

"It's often consumed in large quantities (because of perceived calcium benefits etc) but we can't tolerate it."

Really? I seem to tolerate milk just fine. I thought that only a few people were lactose intolerant, though my understanding is that back in the day, lactose intolerance after a certain age (as I think the OP said) was the norm, and then a mutation in the gene that codes for the enzyme that metabolises lactose meant it kept being produced after this age, and as this gave the cattle herders with the mutation a survival advantage in times of low food availability, it became the norm.

EmmaBemma Mon 29-Apr-13 17:54:28

that was a very long sentence: I apologise. I think it makes sense though.

reelingintheyears Mon 29-Apr-13 17:55:36

I like the value lemon squash,same as value fizzy lemonade.

I personally think normal is better than sugar-free. Normal Coke is better for you than Diet Coke as well apparently :p

In terms of squash versus juice, they're both full of sugar. Squash is probably the cheaper option because it dilutes better than fruit juice does. Fruit juice is more natural though. It's what we'd depend upon if there were no nice companies making alternatives for us :p

I personally think everyone should just drink whatever they like and other people should just stop judging. As long as everything is in moderation (and age appropriate before someone pipes up about drugs and alcohol or something ridiculous!) then it'll be fine.

Like many people have said, they'll go to school/parties/friend's houses anyway and they'll get different stuff there. In the end they'll all grow up and eat and drink loads of rubbish anyway because that's just what teenagers/young adults do unless they're the type that aren't inclined to eat rubbish (health fanatics maybe?). Don't worry about these things!

Milk is a natural laxative, presumably because of our "intolerance" but I love a nice glass of chilled milk.

Mintyy Mon 29-Apr-13 17:59:07

There are plenty of squashes without sweeteners - try Rocks or Sainsbury's or Waitrose High Juice.

EmmaBemma Mon 29-Apr-13 18:01:21

Is it? I have never noticed it having that effect on me and I drink plenty of it.

I have heard though that people with dairy heavy diets do tend to exude a buttery/milky smell, however! Yikes.

Cosydressinggown Mon 29-Apr-13 18:01:42

There is no evidence of harmful effects of sweeteners. There is a LOT of evidence of harmful effects of sugar (including sugar in fruit juice).

thebody Mon 29-Apr-13 18:03:56

There is nothing wrong with squash, milk, smoothies etc.

All in moderation.

Personally my kids enjoy a beer or two.

mynameisnotmichaelcaine Mon 29-Apr-13 18:05:49

My kids both love cake and chocolate. They are allowed that in moderation and so we don't buy squash at all to drink at home. I think sugary drinks are so so damaging, because they provide absolutely loads of empty calories, and people don't tend to think of them when thinking about the amount of sugar their kids consume, simply because they're a drink. My brother has lost about three stone, admittedly he has been exercising more, but also he has cut out the Coke, which has made a massive difference to his weight.

I used to have a bottle and then a cup of squash by my bedside at night, and drink squash all day every day until I went to uni at 19. I was a skinny kid, but probably because I didn't really eat enough protein/nutritious food because I always felt full from the massive glasses of squash I consumed. I have fillings in every one of my back teeth on both sides of my mouth because of this. I really don't want that for my kids, because having crappy teeth is not fun at all.

They have squash/fizzy drinks when we go for a meal out, or on special occasions, so it's not a case of banning them completely and making them more desirable. But tbh neither of them like it that much, because when you're used to drinking water, and sometimes milk, squash tastes overpoweringly of chemicals and not much of fruit.

binger Mon 29-Apr-13 19:24:51

Children are much more delicate these days compared to when we were little. We could handle sugar, sweeteners, crisps, fizzy juice etc but little darlings these days can only tolerate natural and wholesome foods, anything else is neglect.

I'm too relaxed in my parenting style and can often be found dishing up loads of juice of whatever type the kids fancy to wash down their sugary, salty snacks. Doesn't seem to affect their health, behaviour or sporting abilities.

Live and let live peeps.

fairylightsinthespring Mon 29-Apr-13 19:52:26

just for those saying they get the "normal" rather than no added sugar squash because they'd rather sugar than sweeteners, well it has both. I was going to swap for the same reason, then looked at the label. We get through one standard bottle about every 2-3 weeks and I drink some of that - like everything, moderation is the thing.

Aldi high juice doesn't have sweeteners in it.

To be honest...the main reason I avoid them is because in my opinion they make everything taste of chemicals...

Diet Coke is VILE....Fat Coke is nectar of the Gods (and yes I know it's really bad for you...I don't drink it often any more...the bastard delicious addictive stuff that it is)

somewheresomehow Mon 29-Apr-13 20:16:51

fwiw my three grew up on squash (orange and mainly vimto) and have three fillings between em and are of normal height to weight. its like everything else its the (fad) baddy of the moment

ChairmanoftheBored Mon 29-Apr-13 20:20:28

All the hysteria around squash has always made me a bit confused The acid levels in juice are much higher than in well diluted squash. And if anyone saw Bang goes the Theory recently (the one about sugar) will know that there are no reliable studies that show that sweeteners are harmful to health either.
I really can't see what the problem is. My daughter has had squash from around 2 years old in an open cup. Very well diluted so that it barely flavours the water.
Sugar is not poison its a food fgs.
Now greggs sausage rolls on the other hand.....(ducks)

Beatrixpotty Mon 29-Apr-13 20:41:59

I grew up on squash.We never had "low calorie" as it was called then.I've got quite a few fillings and maybe it was to blame.I'd like my kids to have better teeth,& I don't like the look of all the crap on the label,sugar-free has just as much. So it's water & milk at home ,but when out they have squash/fruit juice/fruit shoot /some of my diet coke or whatever is available.

echt Mon 29-Apr-13 20:54:39

And while we're talking about drinks, children don't need to drink milk after they're weaned any more than any mammal.

WorraLiberty Mon 29-Apr-13 20:58:25

I don't allow my kids to drink water because fish piss in it.

girliefriend Mon 29-Apr-13 21:07:55

grin at worra

My dd loves hot blackcurrent and it really is not top of my list of parenting things to worry about!!

People need to get a grip imo grin

gotthemoononastick Mon 29-Apr-13 21:26:37

My children made hundreds of Sodastream drinks ad lib. in the 70's.Sugar and saccharine versions.
They are alive and well and too highly educated now.Anything sugar,E-numbers and Aspartame is from Lucifer at present!Don't even start with the Mercury in fish.

AlwaysWashing Mon 29-Apr-13 21:37:22

Sometimes mn can be really useful as well as entertaining - I've been merrily giving my 2 yo weak no added sugar Robinsons thinking it was better than the full whack sugar type for ages now. Was thinking about his teeth etc but didn't even think about the aspartame and other nasties that might be replacing the sugar.
Wondering whether to ditch squash altogether then and go with watered down fresh juice - plain water not an option now.

SomethingOnce Mon 29-Apr-13 21:38:10

I'd rather see children drinking fruit juice than squash with sugar, but squash with sugar is preferable to squash with acesulfame potassium (k), saccharin and aspartame.

I'm not too keen on sodium benzoate and potassium sorbate either.

So, yeah, I don't like squash because of the weird shit they put in it.

BarredfromhavingStella Mon 29-Apr-13 21:42:49

grin Worra

Not an hysteria I take much notice of tbh, mine have juice, squash, milk, tea, hot chocolate-in fact come to think of it the only things they don't have are coffee & alcohol...

wiltingfast Mon 29-Apr-13 22:11:42

sigh why do people worry so much about these things? How did we all survive the 60s/70s/80s/(insert decade here)? grin

Bit shocked about the water though, I'd no idea fish pissed in it!

wonderingagain Tue 30-Apr-13 00:35:17

Sugar is really really bad for teeth though. Every time you take sugar it starts to eat away at tooth enamel. No other food does this. When we eat fruit we masticate and salivate and that deals with most of the acids and sugars but drinking juice, milk or sugary squash must be done with meals or should be rinsed off afterwards.

likeitorlumpit Tue 30-Apr-13 00:52:21

oh ffs our precious little princes and princesses are not going to die just because they dared have a drink of squash. listen to yourselves would half of you really stand there with your real friends discussing this rubbish or would they tell you to get a bloody life.

cumfy Tue 30-Apr-13 02:38:15

I really don't give a flying fuck.

But if you really want to confuse me refer to squash as juice.

Don't know why, but some people do.

Well, I think squash is fine for children -it contains sugar, which as everyone knows is a carbohydrate. However, wine is even better as it's got fruit in it.

But no way would I give children something like water. It contains dihydrogen monoxide, which is a very, very dangerous chemical.

SomethingOnce Tue 30-Apr-13 08:18:14

I'm about 57% dihydrogen monoxide so not too worried about that.

I'm about 0% aspartame though, and proud of it.

Nil points for smug, unfunny ancient hoax reference.

bettycocker Tue 30-Apr-13 08:19:12

Fruit juice and smoothies aren't exactly good for your teeth either.

All things in moderation though. I doubt that the occasional drink of squash will cause harm to DC.

I don't get anything with artificial sweetners, only high juice. That is rationed because of the sugar content and because I'm a miserly old git.

... and 0% ironia as well.

SomethingOnce Tue 30-Apr-13 10:51:03

Damn straight grin

aldiwhore Tue 30-Apr-13 10:55:17

Our dentist said weak squash was better than even diluted fresh juice. My dietician recommends everything fresh (can't really fault that attitude). Whatever you do, you'll be wrong. Even your children DO only drink spring water.

I tend to avoid giving the same drinks all the time. So today they've had diluted apple juice, tomorrow they'll probably have squash etc., in addition to water...

I think the important factor is how strong you make your child's drinks... one person's squash is another person's syrup.

Smoothies are out, unless the children make their own, one orange, one banana and handful of strawberries and NO MORE. It's very easy to over indulge on fruit in a smoothy. I doubt many children would sit down and eat 26 oranges in one go.

I am also a BADMUVVA as my children sometimes have coca cola. Shoot me now.

ophelia275 Tue 30-Apr-13 11:18:03

I don't have a problem with squash. I buy Sainsbury's which has sucralose as a sweetener (so doesn't rot the teeth) and I put a tiny bit in so that it is 90% water. My children really like it and it gives them a tiny bit of sweetness. I think it is better than fruit juices as those tend to be high sugar (even if they are more natural).

wiltingfast Thu 02-May-13 13:40:40

omg aldiwhore get you gone off this thread now! grin

TeenTwinsToddlerandTiaras Thu 02-May-13 14:12:59

I am a weird one who spends hours in the supermarket reading labels blush.

DCs hate water (no taste) so drink plenty of squash and diluted half/half fruit juice (not that concentrated muck mind). I only buy 'high juice' squash with sugar. DCs will not drink any with aspartame/fake sugar stuff that I can't pronounce, in it as they say it's TOO sweet/tastes disgusting, the same with the very occasional coke, lemonade etc. I try to buy stuff with REAL sugar in it and they all have very healthy teeth/no weight issues. I'd rather they drank a bit of sugar than nothing at all!

Makes me stabby when I go to buy something that previously had SUGAR in it and they've changed it FAKE SUGAR, harumphhhh.

Tanith Thu 02-May-13 15:08:36

We don't have squash because DS so easily reacted to additives, but I didn't really see the harm in moderation...

...until my sister gave all the children a blackcurrant squash drink at my nephew's birthday party.
Within minutes, they were bouncing off the walls. I was shocked at how suddenly their behaviour changed, and how noisy and rowdy they became.

I saw a programme once about controlling ADHD through diet: squash was one of the things they banned due to the additives.

It is the Devil's own nectar smile

FariesDoExist Thu 02-May-13 22:04:51

Mine have squash, I'm not too worried.

It's bread I fret over!! White, wholemeal, brown, 50/50?

EleanorFarjeon Thu 02-May-13 22:14:11

We have never given squash or fruit juice to dcs. Never offered an alternative to water or milk, so they didn't get a taste for anything else.

We'd have concerns about sugars & acids. They get enough vitamins from actual fruit.

I have at least 8 fillings so I am paranoid about their teeth as I'd be gutted if they had any decay.

MinimalistMommi Fri 03-May-13 09:46:48

We buy the sweetener free high juice squash stuff on Waitrose. I think sweeteners are more harmful to health then sugar. The high juice is fifty percent squash and fifty percent juice and you dilute with water. my DC drink it every day.

my boys have drunk it every day since they were little - almost 13 and 12 now and no fillings at all.

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