to go to the press?

(73 Posts)
ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 13:37:33

I have received an email that was sent by a local councillor, complaining about immigration, and specifically 'ragheads'. WIBU to contact the press, as well as making a formal complaint?

YANBU. Do it.

Finola1step Mon 29-Apr-13 13:39:43

Wow! If this is true, wow! If you are sure that this is not a hoax, def go to the press, go viral with it!

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shock yanbu, do it.

Was it an email to you, or a few people?

Theyoniwayisnorthwards Mon 29-Apr-13 13:40:04

YANBU, you should do both

SkinnybitchWannabe Mon 29-Apr-13 13:40:20

Thats awful. YANBU

VivaLeBeaver Mon 29-Apr-13 13:41:07

Blimey! Is it a ukip councillor?

Go to the press. Was it an email just to you?

quesadilla Mon 29-Apr-13 13:41:37

Was the email sent just to you? Or was it a broader political campaign mailout? Yes you should go to the press with something like that - attitudes like that deserve the light of day.

I'd check that it is genuine before you do anything else. What Party is the councillor a member of? Does it seem a realistic thing for him to have sent you? If it is genuine then YWNBU to go to the press and make a formal complaint

Wow,. Just wow. Got to be UKIP hasn't it?

finickypinickity Mon 29-Apr-13 13:43:44

Does raghead refer to a specific group of people? It sounds very offensive but i've never heard that expression before.

If it does then YANBU

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 13:46:04

It's not a hoax. Definitely. I know this person. I don't think he wrote it - seems like a forward chain thing IYSWIM?

Sorry, not saying the party or any more specific detail until at least I've decided what to do.

kim147 Mon 29-Apr-13 13:46:10

I think Prince Harry used the term
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jan/12/prince-harry-video-pakistani

So there's precident.

taxi4ballet Mon 29-Apr-13 13:47:30

How about forwarding the email to the political party headquarters?

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 13:50:18

I'm not sure their HQ would do anything useful with it tbh.

finickypinickity Mon 29-Apr-13 13:50:27

Thanks Kim147, i'm glad i havent heard that expression before having read the context in that article.

YANBU if its genuine.

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 13:56:47

Even if he just forwarded it rather than wrote it?

YANBU. Name and shame.

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 13:58:23

To whom?

LippiPongstocking Mon 29-Apr-13 13:58:28

Party Headquarters, Private Eye and the Guardian. Send it to all of them.

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:01:22

What would happen to him though?

miemohrs Mon 29-Apr-13 14:01:32

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pickledginger Mon 29-Apr-13 14:02:12

Lippi is right. Forwarding that shit is the same as writing it, just lazier.

LadyClariceCannockMonty Mon 29-Apr-13 14:03:43

If you think it was just forwarded, you could ask the person where he got it from, then complain about them.

Whoever it turns out has originated it, I think you should go to the party HQ before going to the press. Why don't you think they'd 'do anything useful with it'?

quoteunquote Mon 29-Apr-13 14:03:46

Party Headquarters, Private Eye and the Guardian and the local bbc contact number is on the bottom of the local spotlight(what ever the regional news program is called in your area) .

Please do it. take screen shots and send them to the bbc and others.

Of course it's wrong even if he just forwarded it!

It rather depends on whether it was a mistake to send it to the mailing list though - he may have legitimately wanted to fwd an email inciting racial hatred to any number of people for legitimate reasons. If he intentionally passed it on to you (and/or any other member of the public) he needs the sack.

Agree about PE and the Guardian

MadBusLady Mon 29-Apr-13 14:05:54

I have some experience observing local politics and I would be very sceptical about this. It's a much more routinely dirty and vicious business than most people realise. How can you be so sure it's not a hoax?

If he genuinely forwarded something like this then yes, go to the press, he deserves everything he gets. But out of civil manners I would contact him/his party first and make sure he actually did press "forward". Nothing to stop you going to the press afterwards if you're at all dissatisfied with the answer.

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:09:34

I know for sure it was not a hoax. It was sent to a group of similarly positioned people from his account, and expresses in writing sentiments that he commonly expresses in person. It is 100% bona fide, I'm certain of that.

I'm reluctant to sent to his political party. What would that achieve?

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ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:10:43

Sorry, was sent to other councillors, officers and some members of the public.

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:11:02

From personal email account.

mrsden Mon 29-Apr-13 14:11:19

YANBU to go the Guardian, YABU if you go to the Daily Mail.

WMDinthekitchen Mon 29-Apr-13 14:12:21

Reply to the email and say that the terms used are totally unacceptable. Then, report him/her to the leader of the party group in the council to which the councillor belongs, saying that you would like a response within 24 hours and that you will also report the matter using the council's own complaints procedure.

After that you could go to the press but I would first of all think about your motives for doing that (for e.g. if you are involved with another party). Going to the press can backfire spectacularly if an informant has any relevant skeletons in the cupboard (and I am not accusing you of being racist). If the local press is worth its salt it will investigate all circumstances rigorously before printing a story - and that would include your own circumstances. You may be perfectly OK with that but as someone who has considerable experience of the press and politics I would proceed with caution.

MadBusLady Mon 29-Apr-13 14:13:12

Why reluctant? It doesn't limit your future actions in any way, it just gives them a chance to say, "Er, no, he says he didn't send that." But it's true you don't have to - sending it to the press will achieve the same end because the first thing they'll do is send it to his local party.

When I say I'm "sceptical", I mean I know of cases of councillors' emails being hacked (pretty clumsily usually) by opponents in order to send compromising stuff.

Manyofhorror3 Mon 29-Apr-13 14:13:29

Wow! Blow it wide open! That's utterly unacceptable!

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:14:54

I don't think this is big scale politics enough for hacking, surely? And totally not out of character at all. Just the first I've seen it in writing.

MadBusLady Mon 29-Apr-13 14:15:33

My thoughts on going to the press are similar to WMD's. It is not a thing I would do lightly unless I was really sure I had something that (a) was 100% valid/true (b) needed to be out in the public interest and (c) wasn't going to get out otherwise. It is not the no-strings option many people think.

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:15:53

Btw the party must know. The officers who received it have complained.

SolomanDaisy Mon 29-Apr-13 14:16:04

Technically the other councillors and officers should report him to the local standards committee. If it's a councillor from a party known to be racist then the party hq won't be interested, but the main three parties certainly would. They would probably suspend membership and ask him to resign. Are you an officer? Be careful about your own code of conduct if so.

MadBusLady Mon 29-Apr-13 14:16:28

Local politics is vicious precisely because the stakes are so low, as someone or other once said.

SolomanDaisy Mon 29-Apr-13 14:17:46

The local party might need pressure from hq before they act.

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:18:22

I'd rather not say who I am.

How about the police first? Or is that not illegal?

MadBusLady Mon 29-Apr-13 14:19:38

I'm using "hacked" in the silly layman's sense of guessing a password, or used a communal machine to access someone else's official mail etc. Yes, it definitely happens.

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:27:33

I really don't think so

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:27:54

And he hasn't denied sending it either. He has been asked to apologise

fuzzypicklehead Mon 29-Apr-13 14:28:37

What is it that's stopping you, OP?

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ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:30:41

What has been mentioned upthread. I don't really want myself to be the subject of any probing. I don't like any kind of limelight.

EuroShopperEnergyDrink Mon 29-Apr-13 14:33:35

Don't send it to his political party- don't allow them to engage any crisis management at all and prepare their spin to make his actions acceptable.

Print screen and tweet on Twitter.
Private eye.
All newsdesks.

Go!

EuroShopperEnergyDrink Mon 29-Apr-13 14:34:10

You won't be subject to any probing or limelight- just give them the information, you won't be mentioned or asked about it again.

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:36:09

But Private Eye wouldn't do that, would they?

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ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:36:55

I'm not doing any tweeting or anything. Just Private Eye. Maybe. confused

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:38:58

Some recipients have asked for an apology/retraction. None so far.

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SolomanDaisy Mon 29-Apr-13 14:39:26

Advice on what to do is totally different depending whether you're another councillor, an officer or a member of the public. If you're an officer, going to the press may breach your own code of conduct. Have other officers complained to the standards committee? If not, contact the monitoring officer and say you want to.

It isn't hard to contact press anonymously. Gmail email to local press, Guardian, Private Eye. CC your CEX, head of media, council leader and local party leader. That will be enough to get it taken seriously.

MadBusLady Mon 29-Apr-13 14:41:38

<sigh> No political party's "crisis management" ever works, it is complete paranoia IMO to be reluctant to send to the political party. It really doesn't matter a damn what they say, if he's put his name to something bad, it will look exactly as bad as it is. The purpose of sending it to the party is purely to check it's genuine.

But all that seems to be unnecessary anyway because now you say there is already a process going on and he's been asked to apologise? So, is it the case that the process isn't working? Or do you just think it's not enough? Or not open enough?

Basically, what is it you want to achieve by going to the press?

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:44:32

I'm not sure what it would achieve. There seems to be local tolerance of his attitude, and it is wrong. Local press would possibly give him even more standing locally. There are elections coming up. Not sure if it would help or hinder his cause.

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 14:46:32

I want his disgusting attitude dealt with. Not convinced that is happening through the usual channels.

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Jux Mon 29-Apr-13 16:03:49

You can whistleblow to Private Eye though. They'll keep you anonymous.

ANonna Mon 29-Apr-13 16:43:40

Have emailed Private Eye. Hope it was the right thing to do.

pickledginger Mon 29-Apr-13 16:57:54

Private Eye are good.

AvrilPoisson Mon 29-Apr-13 23:14:14

Private Eye are excellent, actually... they feature my local authority quite a lot, particularly at one point in time... when I happen to know a lot of the information reaching them was coming from officers inside the authority so sick and worried about what was happening there.

BallerinaZeena Mon 29-Apr-13 23:41:10

Private Eye run bullshit made up stories just like the rest of them. But are one of the least worst.

Careful if you're an officer. Contacting the press can be an immediate sacking.

Party HQ may well throw him out of the party (if not bnp of course).

LouiseSmith Tue 30-Apr-13 13:21:10

Ask the person.

I have had my emails hacked and it has sent people random links which I knew nothing off. If you go public, and the person really isn't the blame it could ruien his career as well as his life, people don't take to kindly to things like that.

ANonna Tue 30-Apr-13 13:56:41

The person has been spoken to about it. They did not deny it, and refused to withdraw its sentiment. Anyhow, it's done.

flatpackhamster Tue 30-Apr-13 15:03:23

How fortunate that this occurred at exactly the time of the local elections.

NKffffffffabeee2d7X127640abcce Tue 30-Apr-13 15:10:23

What would happen to him - well if he represents one of the major mainstream parties, he's likely to be suspended, investigated and potentially have the party whip withdrawn (I.e kicked out of the party). Depending on the context the might also possibly be a police investigation if he was inciting racial hatred. Otherwise, everyone would fine out what a racist tossed he is, and either pressure be put on him to resign as a councillor, or at worst not re-elect him next time. I'm with the go ahead and expose him camp, local councillor a should represent their whole community.

somewhereaclockisticking Tue 30-Apr-13 15:52:03

everyone in the army call them ragheads I think.

Jux Tue 30-Apr-13 16:00:34

So what? Let it go? The guy's not in the army, he's a civvy. He needs to shape up.

Tackling racism, sexism, and a few other isms in the Army is a whole different matter, and irrelevant to this poor excuse for a man.

mrsjay Tue 30-Apr-13 16:35:55

yanbu name and shame the bugger, if it is BNP or UKIP they will expect it from them if it another party they will have a field day whoever it is do it,

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