To be getting increasingly pissed off with Doctor Who's sexist attitude?

(102 Posts)
FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 02:35:56

In Doctor Who this evening there was an exchange where the Doctor is trying to get Clara and the TARDIS to get on nicely together. He puts the TARDIS into 'basic mode' for her. She is slightly put out and asks him if he's done that because she's a girl. He says no of course not. Then we get a shot of him grimacing - we're clearly meant to understand that what he said is a fib.

Really, Doctor Who? Really? A 'ha-ha girls are rubbish with machines' joke that would disgrace a 70s sitcom?

There have been other snidey snide Woman!ZOMG moments and really depressing treatments of female characters for a while now. Well, I say 'characters'. Clara seems to be cut from the same 'sassy woman who thinks the Doctor's just fab' cookie cutter that Amy was.

AIBU in thinking that this isn't really good enough for a flagship children's show? Do the (all-male) writers not think girls (and women) watch it too?

Jan49 Sun 28-Apr-13 02:49:36

I was actually more bothered by her (and therefore the scriptwriters) calling herself a 'girl' rather than a woman.

FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 02:56:39

Yeah, that's not brilliant either.

FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 03:14:18

I think I should make it clear that my disaffection with the show has been going on for a long while (since Steven Moffat's first series), and that it's not just this isolated example that I find problematic. This example is just what made me feel I wanted to post about it.

It's just that I don't see how the BBC can not be aware that there are large portions of the fandom who are critical of the sexist undercurrent in the writing. I can only see it seriously damaging the show in the long term if they allow it to go on. It's such a bloody shame that at a time when the show has better actors and effects and resources than ever, they bugger it all up with the writing.

Tee2072 Sun 28-Apr-13 06:31:36

Well the writing overall hasn't been as good since SM took over, that's just one small part, I think.

Are there no women at all any more?

Pilgit Sun 28-Apr-13 08:05:02

exactly! what he should have pointed out was that a TARDIS is designed to be 'manned' by a crew of timelords and one person (whatever race or sex) will find it requires significant knowledge and practice to achieve. This is why the Dr frequently takes a wrong turn or ends up in the wrong place/time. But it would seem the sexist conclusion is easier for scriptwriters......

noblegiraffe Sun 28-Apr-13 08:11:49

River was better at flying the Tardis than the doctor.

The basic mode was plot device to take the shields down, it made the episode the doctor's fault rather than Clara's. Would you rather that she had taken over and pressed the wrong button, dropped the shields and it been her incompetence that got them in trouble?

motherofvikings Sun 28-Apr-13 08:12:28

I honestly didn't get the 'girls are dumb' take on it.

I thought he grinned because he was rather preoccupied by what Clara might be - what with repeatedly dying and appearing at different times. He obviously doesn't think she is 'just a girl' but the idea if her being normal made him happy. smile

Maybe I'm too much of a geek and not feminist enough confused

xigris Sun 28-Apr-13 08:15:38

Not a fan of this series so far. I find Clara irritatingly perky. Think I'm having Amy, Rory and River withdrawal sad. This series just seems a bit formulaic

I didn't get that at all. The Doctor doesn't even know how to fly it properly, in fact the only person who seems to fly the Tardis correctly is River Song; a female.

I just thought it was because it's a complicated alien spacecraft.

confused

HoneyDragon Sun 28-Apr-13 08:45:20

I'm hoping that things are going to improve, I think the Doctors general sneeriness is because Clara is human not (hopefully) because she is female. I think Moffat is trying to make him a bit darker and sinister.

Ds really misses Rory and RiverSong. He liked Rory a lot, and I liked that Rorys sensitivity often made him the real hero rather than the Doctor.

GibberTheMonkey Sun 28-Apr-13 08:46:27

I took it to mean she's a (slightly dim but harmless) human (as in all humans are) not a time lord

noblegiraffe Sun 28-Apr-13 08:47:57

What happened to all the computer stuff she learned in the wifi episode?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 28-Apr-13 08:50:26

kitjava River can fly it because she was conceived on it, she is effectively part of the tardis and the tardis is part of her.

ll31 Sun 28-Apr-13 08:57:24

Am enjoying this series, took the smile to refer to the whole who is Clara really thing... Dr who,torchwood and Sarah Jane I think are some of best things BBC do/have done.

I kind of doubt it was intended as a "hurr, girls can't work machines" joke, though I can see how that could be construed from what happened. Was probably intended as "look at me, I'm a mysterious alien and you puny humans can't work my technology!" grin

The bigger problem with the series is the introduction of sexuality into the Doctor's character, which unfortunately even RTD was implicit in. It's getting worse though, Moffat seems determined to throw as many women as possible at the Doctor until one sticks. It needs to stop.
Women used to be actual companions, now they're just there to try and snog the Doctor. Now THAT is sexism. angry sad

Yeah I know smile

Still female though!

HoneyDragon Sun 28-Apr-13 10:07:21

Yes the whole flirty for eyes until the Dr dumps them on a lesser man thing annoys me too.

I did like his genuine affection for Rose that grew with Tennant. I think I preferred the mild sexism of Bonnie Tyler perpetually screaming for help but being a genuine sidekick/companion. grin

bettycocker Sun 28-Apr-13 10:10:26

Why would she know how to fly the tardis? She isn't a Time Lord.

I got the impression she knew because she'd spent lots of time with the Doctor on adventures and such, as a companion.

And because she's the child of the Tardis and whatnot, they had kind of a mojo.

DadOnIce Sun 28-Apr-13 10:25:30

I think you mean Bonnie Langford, HoneyDragon. I don't think we've had a Total Eclipse Of The Two Hearts yet on Doctor Who smile

edam Sun 28-Apr-13 10:32:33

grin

I'm not enjoying Moff's writing, which is quite sad, since his individual episodes on other series were v. good. This series is kind of B- 'you can do better' stuff. Said to dh last night, we need Russel T Davies to come along and save Doctor Who all over again - except he went a bit over-indulgent and same trick all over again towards the end of his reign. (Tennant as Jesus being resurrected in the finale with Martha's family... amazingly bad.)

edam Sun 28-Apr-13 10:32:54

Rusell even.

HoneyDragon Sun 28-Apr-13 12:03:06

grin. Doh! Can you imagine if Bonnie Tyler reads this? She'd beat the crap out me for confusing her with Langford. grin

Apols to both Bonnies if you Mnet blush

kim147 Sun 28-Apr-13 12:04:26

His companions seem to have a lot in common - as in young, pretty females.

DadOnIce Sun 28-Apr-13 12:17:19

for Honeydragon Bonnie Tyler & Who

Dawndonna Sun 28-Apr-13 12:34:46

Young pretty females. Does Catherine Tate count in that? I rather thought she was around the same age as Tennant if not older.

As for Clara. I rather suspect she is a Time Lord, although whether the child of Rose and the 'other' Dr. Or of River we'll have to wait and see.
Just my suppositions though.

tethersend Sun 28-Apr-13 12:37:05

Not a fan, but isn't it about time there was a female incarnation of the doctor?

anastaisia Sun 28-Apr-13 12:54:46

I wish Rory's dad had been a companion for a bit instead of just sending a few postcards. That would have made a nice change so long as they still put some good female characters in the shows too. Could have picked up another female to join them after a couple of episodes and all just been good friends without any sexual/romantic relationships for a bit

MonstersInception Sun 28-Apr-13 13:04:49

What about a companion who isn't just an attractive young female of a certain age. Or a female doctor?!

BoneyBackJefferson Sun 28-Apr-13 13:11:38

kim147
"His companions seem to have a lot in common - as in young, pretty females."

Ian Chesterton
Steven Taylor
Ben Jackson
Bret Vyon
George and Alan Motimer
Tony Barker
Jack
Robert Zierath
John
Oliver Harper
Jamie McCrimmon
LethBridge stewart
John Benton
Mike Yates
Arnold
Charlie Fisher
Finney
Brod
Lammers
Jason
Jeremy Fitzoliver
Harry Sullivan
Adric
Sir Justin
Maxwell Edison
Gus Goodison
Thomas Brewster
Grant Markham
Will Hoffman
Henry Gordon Jago
George Litefoot
Adam Mitchell
Jack Harkness
Mickey Smith
Rory Williams
Craig Owens
Dorium Maldovar

WinnieFosterTether Sun 28-Apr-13 13:27:58

I think Doctor Who can be sexist at times but I do think that comment was more aimed at whether Clara is 'human' or not.

I'm also willing to forgive it a lot since it has River Song in it and she's brilliant!

Although, thanks to honeydragon I'm now going to be wondering how Matt Smith would cope with Bonnie Tyler as a companion grin . I imagine it would be a bit like DT and Catherine Tate . . .

DramaAndCrisis Sun 28-Apr-13 13:35:07

Matt Smith is clearly only 12. Bonnie Tyler would scare the bejesus out of him.

I must confess to not bothering with the latest series. Quite aside from the fact that Matt Smith's eyes are too close together and he wears his trousers too short, I simply can't be bothered. Perhaps I am too old, since I (just) remember crying over Adric... and he was a male companion worth his salt. I don't recall Ace, female or no, being too shabby either.

Dawndonna Sun 28-Apr-13 13:37:47

23 November 1963. I was there.
I'm old!

kay1975 Sun 28-Apr-13 15:23:15

If you don't like it, don't watch it. Who wants to see an ugly/old companion anyway?! Not me! It's not about being young, it's about not having responsibilities on earth, so obv younger people have less responsibility!

FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 15:35:49

That's one thing I think is missing from the new Who - male companions, or companions who aren't from present-day Earth. Rory was an awful lot more interesting and better written than Amy, and unlike Amy, I had a clear idea of what motivates Rory and why he was travelling with the Doctor. Clara is another Amy - I don't really have a sense of her character, other than that she is sassy and feisty and lots of other words that mean exactly the same thing. They are what I would call Fake Strong Female Characters, because they do have one very strong non-stereotypically female trait, but then it turns out that that's all the characterization they have been given. Amy isn't even all that upset or traumatised when she has a Spooky Pregnancy and her baby is taken away from her FFS! The other problem with both Amy and Clara is that the Doctor's interest in them is primarily as puzzles to be solved, which I fundamentally find objectifying - plus the formula of 'companion turns out to be special in some timey-wimey way' is something you can only do so many times.

It seems that Steven Moffat has mentally put limits on who can be a companion in his version of Who, and that basically means we get 'attractive middle class white woman in her mid 20s who has sass and fancies the Doctor and whose motivation and interests are otherwise obscure'. Boring!

I LOVED River when we first met her, and thought an archaeologist was a great idea for Doctor Who (assume this was inspired by Bernice Summerfield in the Doctor Who novels), but ever since then everything that was awesome about her has been systematically dismantled until her whole frigging life from conception to death revolves around the Doctor. She's literally got no life or motivations outside the Doctor - it turns out she becomes an archaeologist just so she can find him for crying out loud, gives him all her regenerations, nearly destroys time because she is soooo in love with him and can only be appeased with a wedding(!), then happily sacrifices herself for him. She is anything but an independent woman.

FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 15:40:40

kay But Donna and Wilf were two of the best companions for me - what I'm saying here is that there's an imagination failure on the part of the writers atm when writing companions. It has been better in the past.

And it's a fricking time machine! Even people with responsibilities can run away and be back within the blink of an eye!

DadOnIce Sun 28-Apr-13 15:57:54

Although, to be fair, they never used to be able to - the whole reason they kept landing places where they had adventures was that he couldn't steer the TARDIS, so he couldn't get people home the day they left! I'd like that idea to come back...

HoneyDragon Sun 28-Apr-13 16:07:45

You can travel through time so family issues cease being and issue.

If you want youth, aesthetics and lack if depth people can watch Made in Chelsea.

Some if us care about this you know.

<<hoicks bosom>>

<<flounces>>

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 28-Apr-13 17:11:15

I think some people are reading between the lines a bit too much. This is a family show and therefore a lot of children watch it. The writers really aren't trying to get across some weird subliminal messages grin

HoneyDragon Sun 28-Apr-13 17:15:15

FranKelly shock. Take your perfectly sensible blaspheming ways elsewhere!

marjproops Sun 28-Apr-13 17:18:27

didnt think so at all. now, if it was the other way round.......would there be a debate on it?

marjproops Sun 28-Apr-13 17:23:06

boneys done her homework!! well done. good one. and a lot of those guys didnt know one end of the tardis from the other!

FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 17:31:04

I don't think the writers are trying to put in subliminal sexism. I think they are unconsciously writing it in. It's no good pointing to Old Who because most of today's children haven't seen it.

Rhiana1979 Sun 28-Apr-13 17:33:00

It seems that Steven Moffat has mentally put limits on who can be a companion in his version of Who, and that basically means we get 'attractive middle class white woman in her mid 20s who has sass and fancies the Doctor and whose motivation and interests are otherwise obscure'. Boring!

Martha Jones - black mid twenties trainee doctor
Micky Smith - black certainly not middle class early twenties man
Rose Tyler - not middle class and she was 19
Jack Harkness - late 30's american male from the future
Donna Noble - late 30's certainly not middle class
Rory Williams - need I go on?

Where in those is 'attractive middle class white woman in her mid 20s who has sass and fancies the Doctor and whose motivation and interests are otherwise obscure'?

I don't understand people who complain about program's. If you don't like it switch it over or switch it off. If your family want to watch it then go do something else or read a book.

Pixel Sun 28-Apr-13 17:44:30

Dd said something about female companions the other day so I made her watch poor old Adric getting killed in Earthshock. I'm so cruel grin.

Must admit I groaned last night when the Doctor was asking the salvage crew where Clara was and after describing her height etc said "she's feisty". I shouted at the tv "aren't they all". I'm sick of feisty!

Fecklessdizzy Sun 28-Apr-13 17:44:46

I've been really enjoying the rebooted series but I can't get my head round Clara ... She's such a central-casting stereotype of the Spunky Girly Sidekick - that flicky-hair-big-smile thing she does makes me all stabby. I want Donna/Rose/Martha/Rory and/or Rory's Dad or even Amy back! Waaa!

Trill Sun 28-Apr-13 17:50:21

You can travel through time so family issues cease being and issue.

Not sure about this. You might miss your children being away for a (to you) long time, even if for them it was only 5 minutes.

HoneyDragon Sun 28-Apr-13 17:54:30

I meant from the absent families pov Trills, not the companion.

Potentially you can travel the universe, but they just assume you've been Mnetting on the toilet for 10 minutes. grin

Pixel Sun 28-Apr-13 17:57:49

The family might notice you've aged rather a lot overnight though wink.

HoneyDragon Sun 28-Apr-13 18:07:00

With my family I regularly age years overnight, without time travelling hmm

cardibach Sun 28-Apr-13 18:08:07

My family wouldn't, Pixel. I generally look about 90 in the mornings smile
I enjoy Dr.Who as mindless relaxation with the potential for a bit of detective work on the story arc if you fancy it. I didn't take the exchange to mean she was a useless girl. I do miss Rory though.

cardibach Sun 28-Apr-13 18:08:33

Excellent x-post, HoneyDragon!

marjproops Sun 28-Apr-13 18:09:44

IM finding since DW was rebooted (regeneratedgrin) RTD and SM and all the other wirters, just about every fr** episode ALWAYS get the gratutiuos gay reference in, and usually a dig at God too.

specialsubject Sun 28-Apr-13 18:29:25

wow, I must be watching a different show, because I found nothing sexist or offensive about it. Except the awfulness of some actors, the three 'guest stars' were almost incomprehensible.

They also made sure that 'Clara' wasn't eye-candy by dressing her in an outfit that did indeed look worse than a bin liner.

most doctor who fans are male, a large percentage are gay. This was giggled at in the very first 9th Doctor episode with a character being surprised that a fan was female. Back in the 1980s when it was last made, references to being gay were much less acceptable on TV.

FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 19:35:34

Rhiana But that's the point! All of the characters you listed apart from Rory were created by Russell T Davies. The diversity of the characters has changed markedly since he stopped being showrunner.

Why should I shut up and switch off? There's precious little British sci-fi being produced at all. This is the top sci-fi show in the UK, I've been watching it (the old series) since I was a child, and I'm actually genuinely worried for its future if it goes on like this. I don't want another dark age where it goes off the air.

marjproops Sun 28-Apr-13 19:39:45

what about the age gaps???? a 19 (sic) year old girl and a 900 year old man...omakes Hugh Hefner sound like a toddler grin

AugustaProdworthy Sun 28-Apr-13 19:43:00

I might be off topic here but isn't Matt leaving? I worry about the new one and how many incarnations is he allowed?
My two p worth- I hated this weeks' episode as it seemed cheaply made and just a filler episode to set up the longer story arc with Clara.
Surely they are due back in Victorian times soon?

LadyIsabellaWrotham Sun 28-Apr-13 19:46:32

Jack was created by Moffat. And River isn't twenty-something, whatever else she may be.

I agree that Moffat could sometimes do better, but I reckon you're overstating your case. After all, next week we get Strax, Madame Vastra, and Jenny, all quasi-companions, all Moffat's creations IIRC, and in no way Girl Sidekick stereotypes.

marjproops Sun 28-Apr-13 19:50:22

and there you go, the girls again next week (btw Im not anti-gay, just ,why? whats the point? what does it add to the story?)and I think madame Vastra is a brill character. and Strax!

i suppose to quote 9th doc, 'so many aliens, so little time' !!

FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 20:05:57

Matt Smith has signed up for the 8th series, which will go out in 2014.

I think the thing about the number of regenerations that are left isn't a constraint anymore - originally that was imposed by the Time Lord High Council, who are all dead now. And River gave the Doctor all her regenerations. Plus they can do whatever they want by, you know, making stuff up.

To be fair I did like the Cold War episode and 'Hide' a lot. I think the experience of being a Doctor Who fan is largely that of endless frustration about what the show could be like if only ... , punctuated by moments of Awesome. It's a bit like the Archers in that respect.

piprabbit Sun 28-Apr-13 20:14:11

It would be awesome if the next regeneration could be a female Doctor. Especially if she was an even stronger character than River.

needaholidaynow Sun 28-Apr-13 20:16:08

I've just seen that clip now and all I can say is:

LMFAO! Sexist?!

Get.A.Bloody.Grip!

kim147 Sun 28-Apr-13 20:18:39

I think Captain Jack should come back so I can fantasise over John Barrowman

Pixel Sun 28-Apr-13 20:19:00

No, no, I really don't want a female Doctor. I would stop watching it, it just wouldn't be Doctor Who and I want someone I can have a secret crush on.

Although Joanna Lumley did a pretty good job in The Curse of Fatal Death grin.

MavisGrind Sun 28-Apr-13 20:32:55

I love Doctor Who but have not been taken by this series at all. I the DCs have been rewatching the 9th/10th Doctor episodes and they were all pretty good - the Donna Noble series in particular.

Moffat wrote some brilliant stand alone episodes and a lot of the Amy/Rory episodes were good too (even though I didn't like Amy one bit) but I don't feel the need to rewatch this series at all which, for me as a geeky fan who likes to notice things, is really sad.

And I'm another who wouldn't like a female Doctor. I'd just like some good companions and better story lines!

marjproops Sun 28-Apr-13 20:38:47

NNNNNNNNNNOOOO to a female doctor. as pixel says, wouldnt be the same.

claras okay but yy to decent companions, platonic companions like Donna and most pre-8th doctor.

Ace was good.

Trill Sun 28-Apr-13 20:44:04

They can indeed do what they want by making stuff up! grin

DadOnIce Sun 28-Apr-13 20:56:17

I'm looking forward to a female Doctor just because it would annoy so many people smile

And because it could be genuinely interesting and innovative...

MimiSunshine Sun 28-Apr-13 20:56:45

I think it was meant to appear 'sexist' but as others have said I think it was more to do with the Doctor* not being sure who or what Clara is. Notice he questioned and scared her about that issue just before they jumped off the cliff?

Oh and she called herself a girl because she's Northern, it's what we call women of all ages, I try to remember to use 'woman' instead of 'girl' in work i.e. "Joan is the woman in finance you need to speak to" but it feels weird and I'm always conscious of it not being my natural choice.

*its never Dr and always Doctor. That really grates

MrsFionaCharming Sun 28-Apr-13 21:08:29

modernjournalism.tumblr.com/post/47314835256/doctor-who-bechdel-test

This is a great blog post using the bechdel test to compare episodes written by RTD and Moffat. Obviously the bechdel test isn't perfect, but in this context it's rather illuminating.

BoneyBackJefferson Sun 28-Apr-13 21:13:34

Its going to be very hard for Dr Who to pass the bechdel test as all of the characters always talk about the Dr.

MrsFionaCharming Sun 28-Apr-13 21:19:03

True, but when you consider that 25% of episodes of with Moffat as show-runner don't even have 2 named females, it's pretty bad before you even get to what said non-existent females discuss!

LadyIsabellaWrotham Sun 28-Apr-13 21:22:02

Bechdel test is not normally a problem. The female companions normally befriend and talk to the female guest stars about the problem of the week. They do it in an empathic way because they are girls you see hmm, and can do the touchy feely stuff which the Doctor can't because he is a bloke alien. They then girlsplain it to him.

FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 21:22:16

I am ambivalent on the idea of a female Doctor. I don't think it needs to be done for the sake of doing it. There's nothing wrong with having a show which has a male lead, especially as the part of the companions is so much bigger these days. But it could be interesting.

In a sense the Doctor is actually less important in a character sense to the show than the companions are - the Doctor's appeal is mostly that he is mysterious, fun, a little bit scary and enables the adventures. For a character who's been around for 50 years he has had remarkably little character development. In fact too much character development would remove that mystery (I don't need to know what the Doctor's name is!). But it means that the companion has to emotionally carry the show, and I don't think Clara and Amy have had sufficient depth to do that - the arcs now are about 'solving the mystery of the companion' rather than about the companion's emotional journey, and I find that a less satisfying form of storytelling, however skilfully it's plotted. What we have at the moment is just moving characters around like chess pieces.

I really liked the idea of having a married couple in the TARDIS to show that you don't become a boring old fart the moment you get married, but for me it didn't really work because Amy was just such a weakly-drawn character.

In fact from a story telling pov I'd prefer it atm if there was only a male companion with the Doctor, because the chances are they would be better written and more interesting.

FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 21:25:34

Cross post. I hadn't seen that Bechdel analysis of DW before - very interesting.

BoneyBackJefferson Sun 28-Apr-13 21:38:40

MrsFionaCharming
But there have been episodes in the past where there have only been the Dr and companion.

I know that its comparing Moffat with RTD but if you take the show as a whole there have been episodes where the gender of some of the characters/creatures is unknown.

harryhausen Sun 28-Apr-13 21:47:38

I hate it when people say the Dr should be a woman next.

He's a timelord. There are (or were) female timelords. This one just happens to be male. The 'Dr' is not a job title like 'M' from James Bond. If he regenerated into a woman he would be having a sex change.

Sorry to jump in, but the endless quipping about "when's there going to be a female Dr Who?" really annoys me.

I like SM. His episodes in the RTD era were the best. His writing on Sherlock is utterly brilliant. However, many episodes in this series and some of the last have left me thinking "eh?" - and I'm no sci-fi newbie. I like Matt Smith too, but often I can't catch what he's saying. I can't put my finger on what's not working for me.

I really don't see the 'sexism' though. Sorry.

MrsFionaCharming Sun 28-Apr-13 21:55:52

I don't know, in the episode where the Doctor, Amy and Rory get summoned to the 'House' that uses Time Lords as parts, the Doctor tells them about a time lord who had the same tattoo in every regeneration as without it 'he didn't feel like himself, or herself'. So obviously they can regenerate into a different gender. Possibly Time Lords don't have a gender binary in the same way that humans do?

IntheFrame Sun 28-Apr-13 22:20:36

OK but Dr Who should be for the children people. Scary monsters (the ghost story had those), some in jokes/knowledge, a bit of weirdness and an ending where the Doctor is right but at some expense.

Convoluted plots that refer to stories that are beyond most 8 years old or making up stuff so it's fits is rubbish. The whole Pond baby thing was a bit lost in our house because 8 year old's don't give a monkeys - babies appear randomly in their world anyway.

We both liked the scary thing's in the ghost story and then liked that a) they weren't scary once the Doctor had worked them out b) that even a scary monster wants love. Simple. Effective

tethersend Sun 28-Apr-13 22:25:41

I think he should regenerate into a bear.

Dereksmalls Sun 28-Apr-13 22:38:14

My friend's DF told me his theory about who Clara is. I didn't believe him at first because he can be very arrogant and I don't like to admit it when I think he is right but I think he could be on to something. Should I say or would you rather I didn't and it could be all bollocks anyway

treas Sun 28-Apr-13 22:56:47

Dereksmalls lets hear the theory - go on don't be a tease.

Could not stand the relationship between Rose and the Doctor - it started ok but then they started to write making her so blooming clingy.

Don't think they gave Martha's character a chance - rumoured that DT took exception to her popularity after Rose.

Donna wasn't interested in the Dr romantically.

Loved Amy and Rory and am enjoying Clara.

Might be nice if they introduced an alien companion or how about the Dr'd daughter Jenny (Georgia Moffat)

Dereksmalls Sun 28-Apr-13 23:14:24

Fuck, my friend's DH's theorising was obviously partly based on Internet research and I have been hit with an extreme wave of paranoia that if I reveal his theory and if he does a bit more googling then he might find this thread and see me insulting him. Bollocks, I really have to lay off the booze.

FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 23:31:25

Clara is ... the Rani! you probably didn't hear it here first

FairPhyllis Sun 28-Apr-13 23:33:53

That's a joke btw, before some totally humourless person says I've spoiled it for them.

We've been toying with the idea that Clara is actually Susan, The Doctor's granddaughter ...

Clara is Kenny from South Park and I keep watching it to see what she's going to get killed off of each week. Annoying squeaky bint.

I really am going off the series these days. I wish they would just STFU about love and romance all the time. Practically every episode with Rory and Amy had this sledgehammer 'I really REALLY love YOOOOOUUUUU' as the punchline, then the fabulous River Song got turned into All About Loving Him and now the Doctor's chasing Clara round with his cock in his hand. More monsters and fewer lingering looks, please...

Fecklessdizzy Mon 29-Apr-13 11:23:08

grin @ Solidgold

Oh no! They've killed Clara! Totally works for me ...

gordyslovesheep Mon 29-Apr-13 11:46:14

She can't be a time lord she doesn't regenerate ...she is the same every time ...she can't be real she has to be a projection or from another reality

PeachActiviaMinge Mon 29-Apr-13 11:48:05

DH also thinks Clara will turn out to be Susan.

mumsneedwine Mon 29-Apr-13 12:08:15

Completely off topic but I loved seeing 'Rory' and the Doctor (Tennant) back together in Broadchurch.
My daughters find Clara a bit sickly. They cried buckets when Rose left.

MummytoKatie Mon 29-Apr-13 12:28:02

I'd like to see more of the whole "Clara is a genius" stuff. They seem to ave forgotten.

Pendeen Mon 29-Apr-13 13:05:57

However bad things get, surely no one in their right mind would want the truly awful Davies back?

DadOnIce Mon 29-Apr-13 14:53:17

I don't remember a "Truly Awful Davies". Who was she? Is she any relation to Russell T Davies, the very talented and clever screenwriter who brought Doctor Who back and saw it through 5 years?...

Pendeen Mon 29-Apr-13 16:50:15

Never heard of a "very talented and clever screenwriter" with that name...

marjproops Mon 29-Apr-13 17:57:20

*in the frame*-totes agree 100% with you.

Doctor who was made for children a-la cbbc age,and its got a bit too adulty.

fair do's they want adults to like and watch it but its a FAMILY show, 80/20 for children/adults IMHO.

Dawndonna Mon 29-Apr-13 18:31:39

David Tennant didn't do Rory/Amy.
(Haven't seen Broadchurch, am waiting to watch all together).

DadOnIce Mon 29-Apr-13 19:32:44

Pendeen - you really don't appreciate RTD's work then. None of it at all? Within or outside Doctor Who? I'd suggest you are in a very small minority. Never mind.

edam Mon 29-Apr-13 21:30:47

Very interesting re. the Bechdel test. It's the kind of insidious sexism that happens without the people responsible being consciously sexist - clearly it doesn't even occur to Moffat that female characters may do interesting things or be interesting in their own right.

I once ran an interview with the author/illustrator of the Topsy and Tim books. Her husband used to do the words and she's now carrying on without him. She said he naturally wrote the stories with all the active interesting stuff around the boy twin - she swapped the names around and the stories worked fine with the girl getting to do some interesting stuff. grin

Donna was my favourite companion - she and No. 10 had such a great relationship as best mates. Rose and Donna both grew hugely as characters - it's too early to say for Clara but it doesn't look promising so far, given death tends to inhibit character development.

Pendeen Tue 30-Apr-13 17:08:13

I don't think so Dadonice.

I don't mind at all.

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