AIBU To say Tom Cruise ruined Katie Holmes career?

(127 Posts)
HoveringKestrel Sat 27-Apr-13 22:49:02

Katie left him, seeing the light about his Scientology and/or his odd choice of life
Katie is obviously a good mum
Katie is a good actress
Katie is one of the most beautiful women EVER

I can't help but see her in past roles and think....."oh katie, you had such promise and didn't know what was coming"

I LOVE how much she takes care of her daughter. But....she could have been the next Reese Witherspoon or Amy Adams.......and she isn't.

SanityClause Sat 27-Apr-13 22:51:44

Wow, Hovering you're really getting into this MNing malarkey, aren't you?

Not sure if he ruined Katie Holmes's career, but he didn't seem to do much harm to Nicole Kidman's.

TheseFoolishThings Sat 27-Apr-13 22:52:42

I ...... Ummmm ...... Am shock at the depth of your admiration for Ka….…oh wait!! Is that you Katie? <<<waves>>>

StuntGirl Sat 27-Apr-13 22:53:43


...oh wait you're serious?

LeaveTheBastid Sat 27-Apr-13 22:53:44

I think that has to with the fact that she is just a bloody dull actress, best suited to playing the parts of overly hormonal teens who live on a creek.

squeakytoy Sat 27-Apr-13 22:55:22

She is pretty much constantly in work, and seems to enjoy being on the stage rather than on film.. and I assume she can afford to choose.

pictish Sat 27-Apr-13 22:55:39

She's not particularly notable as an actress is she?

Very pretty...but so's my mate Pam. meh...

ClaraOswald Sat 27-Apr-13 22:55:44

Did she have promise?

I found her the same as a lot of other aspiring film stars. Has some talent, looks pretty.
Not an awful lot of substance.

Her role choices will have had more effect on her resume than her relationship with cruise.

MrsBombastic Sat 27-Apr-13 22:55:48

I think Katies Holmes is average looking and not a particularly great actress TBH.

Anyway, the only reason she is off the scene is because she has chosen to give up hollywood and retrain to be a lawyer (apparently) so what has he ruined exactly?

I'm not a mad fan of Tom either BTW.

GreenPeppercorn Sat 27-Apr-13 22:57:21

Dawsons Creek was immense pants. What teenagers speak the way they did? None. What else has she done? At least now she has the acclaim of being TC's ex wife.

MotheringShites Sat 27-Apr-13 22:57:26

She signed a deal with a man who is desperate to hide his true self. My best mate got this on good authority while in a hot tub in Puerto Rico. Tom cruise is bloody gay any he'd surely be happier if he could just come out. Nobody cares!!

GreenPeppercorn Sat 27-Apr-13 22:57:55

Also the kid seems in dire need of a tussle in a wacky warehouse.

HoveringKestrel Sat 27-Apr-13 23:00:36

Having watched a few episodes of Dawsons Creek...I know I know not the best frame of referance, but the episode she got mugged.....I honestly thought was genious. When the mugee relates to the muger...........I couldn't have acted that. And she did.

She will always be Joey from Dawsons Creek to me, there isn't any point in her even trying to be anything else.

I admire your depth of love for her though, I'm not even that passionate about dh grin

geologygirl Sat 27-Apr-13 23:03:02

Being married to Tom helped her career....she would have dissappeared otherwise. Crap actress....

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sat 27-Apr-13 23:03:44

Um, loads of actors in teen dramas never go anywhere afterwards, whether or not they are married to sofa jumping crazies.

Serenitysutton Sat 27-Apr-13 23:05:17

Bless. She didn't do any decent films before/during /after Tom did she?

She could've at least done a CZJ and bought her way into films/ awards with her husbands clout.

Lighthousekeeping Sat 27-Apr-13 23:08:58

I think if anything she saw him as a leg up the ladder. Nicole Kidman and Penelope Cruz weren't affected badly. I imagine he's a nice bloke. Just abit strange and controlling

HoveringKestrel Sat 27-Apr-13 23:11:35

Yes but I can't see her now and not think...........poor katie

geologygirl Sat 27-Apr-13 23:12:58

Well she was in that Batman movie when married to Tom? Struggling to think of anything else but I imagine his Hollywood power and influence helped.

I disagree with you. She would have gone into Oblivion otherwise. Like Sarah Michelle Gellar has done after Buffy.

Not much substance to her. Her behind looks fab in jeans though.

She was pretty average in Batman Begins, nowhere near as good as Maggie Gyllenhaal in The Dark Knight. I don't think Tom ruined her career, think her limited acting ability did that.

SavoyCabbage Sat 27-Apr-13 23:14:47

He also ruined the careers of all the actors from Saved by the Bel.

LemonPeculiarJones Sat 27-Apr-13 23:15:31

I agree she had real promise and made a terrible error marrying that driven little man. Although she got her gorgeous daughter out of it.

She seemed drained of vitality and youth by the relationship didn't she?

She should head up the cast of the next shit-hot tv drama - something with the quality of Breaking Bad, House of Cards, Six Feet Under.

I've never thought about Katie Holmes for this long before grin

Finola1step Sat 27-Apr-13 23:17:53

Ooh, am I the only one who wants mothering to tell us more about sleb gossip ....

See I thought she was perfect in Dawsons creek. I thought though that these series can often be the death of an actor/actress as no one ever sees them as anything else. I'm glad she's left that idiot though. That's going to be the big thing to shake off. Have her known as who she is and not "Tom cruises wife/ ex wife"

I like her so ill give her the chance grin

Fakebook Sat 27-Apr-13 23:31:56

Thank goodness Joey ended up with Pacey. I hated Dawson beak nose with a passion.

fakebook I liked him and Audrey together. I was gutted when they turned her into a drunk and she got all extreme. smile

Apileofballyhoo Sat 27-Apr-13 23:57:59

Did Katie have facial work done when she got married? I always thought she was prettier before and looked a bit off after but maybe I'm wrong.

sweetiepie1979 Sun 28-Apr-13 00:09:31

fakebook !!!! Did joey end up with pacey? NO WAY! Can you remember which series? I really fancied pacey how did I miss that!

likeitorlumpit Sun 28-Apr-13 00:11:15

i never heard of her till she met him blush

thezebrawearspurple Sun 28-Apr-13 00:12:03

She ruined her own career by behaving like an absolute idiot when she got together with him. Look at her interview with David Letterman while she was promoting Batman, so bad it's hilarious.

BreatheandFlyAway Sun 28-Apr-13 00:12:23

Well not sure about her being overlooked as an acting genius, but I love her for being a great mum, for being so beautiful but happily scruffy and for having escaped from TC and scientology. She did it so cleverly and I'm an admirer of her as a person, also fairly envious of her looks, figure and dosh wink

candyandyoga Sun 28-Apr-13 00:12:24

He is gay isn't he? I have always thought so too and heard stories

JennyMackers Sun 28-Apr-13 00:16:51

I don't know if I can agree with that really. Where are the rest of the cast of that thing she was in, with pacey. Dawson's Creak, that's it. Are all of them A-listers? She just got a stonking great contract with Bobby Brown, and she's advertising handbags as well. Omg, money for OLD ROPE. So, she's earning. $$$$ ker ching. Ker ching. Not winning oscars no. But still.

I think Tom Cruise is a scary weirdo and I'm glad she's escaped.

pickledginger Sun 28-Apr-13 00:18:17

He seriously ruined Jack Reacher. The character in the books is well over 6 feet and built. Not a creepy pixie-man.

JennyMackers Sun 28-Apr-13 00:22:00

if tc were gay though, would she have been as miserable as she clearly was with him. if he were gay wouldn't they have been more like friends. and if he were gay, why bother to divorce nicole kidman? not saying I know because I don't have a frind who had a cuddle with him in a hot tub! so I'm just wondering out loud here.

LittleMissLucy Sun 28-Apr-13 00:23:33

Rubbish actress. He probably opened more door for her, where she could prove how rubbish she was (Kennedys series WAS cancelled before transmission, after all).

JennyMackers Sun 28-Apr-13 00:30:25

and back to TC and the gay or not issue that floats over him, unlike say ceorge gooney, tc isn't linked to anybody. it's just known isn't it that ceorge gooney's partner is waldo, but in all these years, has anybody (male) been linked to TC? can he really be that good at hiding it?

YouTheCat Sun 28-Apr-13 00:36:27

I'm pretty certain he's gay but he will be an angry gay person because his religion will not allow him to be gay - same for John Travolta.

JT hid his gay lover for a long while.

Lighthousekeeping Sun 28-Apr-13 00:42:35

I don't think he is say. Just strange. I don't know anyone who's met him in rl. Or George Clooney. It would be weird wouldn't it if they came out of the closet at this stage. How would that work? Cany anyone think of any A list Hollywood men that are out and proud?

YouTheCat Sun 28-Apr-13 00:51:39

Kevin Spacey?

Lighthousekeeping Sun 28-Apr-13 00:52:38

I didn't know he was open about it. Is that why he moved to the UK?

Tortington Sun 28-Apr-13 00:53:37

im smiling becuase i've seen yur other thread and so there is a context.

otherwise, i'd be all WTAF

Bogeyface Sun 28-Apr-13 00:54:14

Back to the OP.

YABU. SHe is a terrible actress, if anything her marriage to TC made her more bankable than she ever was before.

YouTheCat Sun 28-Apr-13 00:56:25

I don't rate Katie Holmes and it was her decision to marry TC. She could have said no.

WTFisABooyhooISBooyhoo Sun 28-Apr-13 01:01:47

umm, she did nothing beyond dawsons creek. tom cruise carried her a bit further than she ever would have gotten on her 'talent' alone. now she's left him, she's umm, doing nothing. her career ended about 10 years ago.

WTFisABooyhooISBooyhoo Sun 28-Apr-13 01:05:43

"if he were gay wouldn't they have been more like friends. and if he were gay, why bother to divorce nicole kidman?"

yeah 'cause all gay men are friends with everyone hmm

why bother divorce? maybe because NC didn't wnat to be marrie dto a gay man? maybe because TC didn't want to be married to a woman?

odd logic you have going on there.

Fargo86 Sun 28-Apr-13 02:47:26

She was a very good looking young girl, but she was never a great actress.

LittleFeileFooFoo Sun 28-Apr-13 02:54:42

Kevin Spacey has been out for a while now. About when American Beauty came out he did too!

Fargo86 Sun 28-Apr-13 03:07:01

That isn't true LittleFeileFooFoo.

JennyMackers Sun 28-Apr-13 08:43:15

WTFisABoohooIsBooyhoo eh no, huge leap there, I meant that if he were gay and if it were a shomance, then she would have known in advance obviously, x,y & z would have been expected of her in the public eye but she would have been free otherwise. Her level of misery towards the end of that marriage seemed so palpable, could a contractual shomance make her so miserable ?? Maybe. He is such a controlling character and had power over her dd. That is what I meant. It's not odd logic to suggest that the break down of a real relationship causes a lot more pain.

JennyMackers Sun 28-Apr-13 08:48:54

also, Tom Cruise divorced NK, and took her by surprise in the same way that KH took TC by surprise. So astonishingly, it wasn't NK's decision to divorce TC, it was his.

And again if that marriage were a fake marriage, a showmance would NK have been as shaken as she was by it?

So my point is that I don't think he is gay. It just doesn't stack up. All of his divorces are too fraught with a real shcok/pain. I think he's a controlling fuckwith but personally I don't believe that he is gay.

Smellslikecatspee Sun 28-Apr-13 08:50:41

Kevin has not 'come out' and thanked his GIRLFRIEND in his last speech at the Oscars.

cleoowen Sun 28-Apr-13 08:52:00

She's not a great actress and even before meeting him hadn't done much but I agree once she married him her career seemed to disappear.

Good mother? Not IMO. She dresses her like she is an adult.with high heels etc. carries her everywhere and gets her only designer clothes. She's not going to be a very down to earth or well rounded child IMO.

Plus, what's wrong with Reece Witherspoon s parenting (minus the recent drunken episode) I like her. Steady you see.her with her children unlike someone like Kate moss.

JennyMackers Sun 28-Apr-13 09:08:51

he thanked his girlfriend at the oscars?!! no way. awks!

Whitewineformeplease Sun 28-Apr-13 09:14:00

Michelle Williams was in Dawson's Creek though and she's an A-lister now. She's a fantastic actress. Katie Holmes? Not so much. Tom Cruise is a nutcase though.

chanie44 Sun 28-Apr-13 09:25:38

I think Tom actually helped her career: getting her face known through being photographed with Tom, studios giving her roles to keep him happy and him introducing her to his powerful contacts.

Whitewineformeplease Sun 28-Apr-13 09:32:57

But she didn't do the Batman sequel because of him, I'm sure I read that somewhere? And Nicole Kidman's career improved as soon as they split up. (Moulin Rouge)
(Ahhh, this is the kind of thread I like, pointless gossiping about celebrities!)

Tryharder Sun 28-Apr-13 09:35:55

Meh. She would have been completely forgotten without TC. I love TC by the way although I am probably the only person on MN to admit to that.

DowntonTrout Sun 28-Apr-13 09:48:08

I always assumed TC was gay. I also think there was some problem with him being able to have children. I think he left his first wife- mimi? Because of this.

Then he and NK adopted their children together. When they divorced she went on to have a natural child with her new husband. So the issue was clearly not with her.

I thought it very suspicious when TC and KH had their baby. His whole demeanour and bizarre behaviour was really OTT ( jumping on Oprahs sofa shouting"I'm in love.") my suspicion is that he picked a young, malleable actress, who looked just like him, hair colour, eyes etc, so that "their" child would appear to have his characteristics. This is only speculation and guesswork but whatever way you look at it, TC is just odd.

I won't know whether the whole 'contract marriage' thing is genuine but I do think that whatever TC's sexual orientation, he must expect certain behaviour from his wives, and however they were conceived/adopted he does have children with both women. Even if they were adopted or conceived as part of a showmance agreement they are real children and there is bound to be a lot of emotion and pain involved. I suspect that he promised all sorts to the mothers then either he reneged, or the scales fell from their eyes about the nature of Scientology which led to the breakdown in relationship (whatever the nature of it was)
I read that he wanted to send Suri to some indoctrination school and that is why she got out.

JennyMackers Sun 28-Apr-13 10:22:21

Yes. It's unfair really to say that she marriedhim, she could have said no. It was her first marriage, his third, there is what, 16 years age difference, he would have been in the driving seat and to begin with, childfree, with her own money, and other potential suitors, and a few irons in the fire, she probably thought she could hold her own inn the relationship. I made that mistake myself!!!

JennyMackers Sun 28-Apr-13 10:24:29

Downton Trout, yes, it's true, I think a child that looks like KH also therefore automatically looks like TC. Not saying she's NOT his, but........ they do look alike. I used to work with a guy who facially was the spit of tc. Lovely guy, taller, skinnier, his teeth are closer to TC's original teeth!!! but men who look like TC aren't that RARE I bet.

DowntonTrout Sun 28-Apr-13 10:52:43

It's true that KH has free will and seemingly chose to marry him, she could have said no, and I suppose we will never know whether it was true love or if it was a contract with conditions attached.

But there are so many famous/ powerful men who clearly surround themselves with beautiful women to give the impression of being straight. But who do they think they are fooling? I'm thinking of TC, GC, JT, most of Kelly Brooks chaperones and my favourite one of all- the lovely Simon, who has an entourage of exes that follow him around and accompany him on holiday. Another one who publicly declared his love for his fiancée on national television. Quell surprise that that wedding never happened.

cocolepew Sun 28-Apr-13 11:10:46

Scarlett Johannsen and Jennufer Garner has both said they were offered an interview with TC and his 'people'. SJ thought it was for a film until she got there and realised it was to be his wife. JG was the first pick, but she wouldn't play ball. A couple of other actresses has said the same.

thebody Sun 28-Apr-13 11:14:47

Think she would have sunk into oblivion without Tom.

Never thought she was a good actress.

She needs to stop dressing her daughter up like an adult IMO but to be honest I couldn't give a rats ass about her.

Rich and spoiled.

GoombayDanceBand Sun 28-Apr-13 11:21:18

I need the truth before I can decide. I need to know about the contracts and stuff.

He is very small isn't he, and very peculiar.

Lighthousekeeping Sun 28-Apr-13 11:45:47

Really, though, what makes us think that these men are gay? Is GC as camp as Christmas behind closed doors? Why can't he just be an eternal player? Not everyone's the settling down type. Does anyone know mariella Frostrup? Didn't she date him?

DowntonTrout Sun 28-Apr-13 12:09:02

GC portrays the image of eternal player brilliantly. It makes women want to tame him.

It was the same with Rock Hudson.

I can understand that in those days it was not acceptable to be gay ( maybe even illegal? Or am I imagining that? Any how..) but I have good information on one or two celebs, friend of friend type stuff, who are openly gay behind closed doors, but in public are ladies men.

"fake" relationships are incredibly common. Some just because it suits both parties for self publicity, some to hide their sexual orientation. Whoever it was who made the comment at the oscars about all the men with beards in the room wasn't referring to their facial hair.

JennyMackers Sun 28-Apr-13 12:25:23

probably ricky gervaise!

JennyMackers Sun 28-Apr-13 12:26:50

GC not camp but he does live with waldo suarez, I think it is an open secret that can not be printed in the media.

cocolepew Sun 28-Apr-13 13:32:06

I don't understand really big stars like GC not coming out. It wouldn't damage his career surely? He's pretty much a big shot where Hollywood is concerned.

pickledginger Sun 28-Apr-13 13:46:13

I never understand why it matters either way. It's not as if your chances of sleeping with them have actually changed! And sexy is sexy. Knowing a man is gay doesn't stop him from being attractive.

pickledginger Sun 28-Apr-13 13:46:33

To me I mean!

andubelievedthat Sun 28-Apr-13 13:50:38

Idon"t know (or care)whether tc is gay?thou i understand that film"top gun" is regularly in the top 10 loved gay film polls >young tom cruise in the sweat room ,wearing a towel only ,sweating ,with other fit blokes ,wearing great macho air force pilot uniforms ,shouting out "He"s on your tail " (during combat) and "you can be my wingman any time" (when in bar) ,and that big big motorbike ! as regards coming out in America /Hollywood ? i have read that is career death.but then he believes all that Scientology mumble jumble "do not make ANY? noise during childbirth! fine, not him giving birth ,was it!

loofet Sun 28-Apr-13 15:20:01

Yabu because that assumes she had a career before they met. She was in a dodgy programme aimed at teenagers in the ninties. If she hadn't married TC as others have said we wouldn't be talking about her now, doubtful anyone would remember her. She can't act, she is pretty but looks only go so far if there's no substance behind it.

A lot of rumours about TC but none that I know of are proven facts. From what i've seen in interviews yeah, he is a bit weird but then so are a lot of people. KH chose to marry him and have his child, I doubt he held her at gunpoint.

ophelia275 Sun 28-Apr-13 15:52:21

She's not dead yet so YABU.

Pitmountainpony Sun 28-Apr-13 16:01:46

Friend of a friend worked with tc on a project. He was really nice. Not gay. The ex ex wife was apparently a batch from hell.
Maybe it just did not wprk out for them.
She is good in the Kennedys.

KatyTheCleaningLady Sun 28-Apr-13 16:36:13

Who is "GC" being talked about above?

cocolepew Sun 28-Apr-13 16:44:20

George Clooney.

KatyTheCleaningLady Sun 28-Apr-13 18:56:26

Oh, I don't think George Clooney is gay.

ClartyCarol Sun 28-Apr-13 19:47:01

Hang on a minute, someone mentioned Kelly Brook upthread - who's the beard then? KB herself or the "chaperones"
? I have heard rumours...

JennyMackers Sun 28-Apr-13 19:49:07

I know, that confused me too. Kelly Brooke is in a relationship with a man and recently lost a baby. If she is gay then I never knew. NOT that she would ring me up and tell me!

Lighthousekeeping Sun 28-Apr-13 21:00:30

I don't believe that about Kelly one single bit.

Lighthousekeeping Sun 28-Apr-13 21:18:43

Don't google The Kelly Brook rumours. You will end up on one of those gossip sites and before you know it, a whole our has passed Cheryl Cole? Cat Deeley? Rene Zellweger? Oprah Winfry? blush

williaminajetfighter Sun 28-Apr-13 21:27:25

Katie is dreadful. Awful actress. Wonky face and body. Will be happy if she quietly retires...

GoombayDanceBand Mon 29-Apr-13 11:13:45

I'm sure your face and body are perfect, William...of course because that's all that counts in an actress, or indeed in a person.

Thought she was a shit actress to be honest. Laughable next to Michelle Williams (was that her name?) in Dawsons Creek even.

Lighthousekeeping Mon 29-Apr-13 16:04:52

I've never seen her in anything. I always wondered how they met. It's not like she moved in A list circles.

What does GCs fella look like? Trying to google and can't find a picture.

Just interested.

Lighthousekeeping Mon 29-Apr-13 22:13:31

There aren't any I don't think! He is a very busy hairdresser though. Worked on a lot of films. I love GC. If it is true, it must be hard living like that.

tigerlilygrr Mon 29-Apr-13 22:45:09

Hi downtontrout <waves> ... Re KH and TC, this is a great Vanity Fair article on the audition process to be the next Mrs Cruise.

tigerlilygrr Mon 29-Apr-13 22:46:15

Sorry sorry sorry this is. Hopefully!

GoshAnneGorilla Mon 29-Apr-13 22:54:49

Can we hear more about the friend in the hot tub, Mother?

Jeremy Renner's another one in the glass closet. Ted C (gossip hounds will know who he is) got fired for doing a not blind enough, blind item that outed him.

Jake Gyllenhaal too.

Lighthousekeeping Mon 29-Apr-13 22:58:24

Jake? Really?? I never heard that one.

soontobeburns Mon 29-Apr-13 23:10:49

I have it on authority like mothering that Tom Cruise, Leo Dicapro and John Travolta are gay.

My mates OH is an actor in Hollywood (been in a few big movies such as red etc)

He said that he has been to parties with them where they have been all over guys.

Contacts have been signed with the media that if its reported they can be sued etc and be breaking privacy laws.

So much for freedom of speech and it makes you realise that these Lynsay Lohans and Kim Kardashians who moan about the press want it really because anything that be kept quiet.

AngiBolen Mon 29-Apr-13 23:19:35

If Katie hadn't married Tom, we wouldn't be talking about her now.

I think he did her financial position an awful lot of good.

Their whole marriage was odd, IMO.

AngiBolen Mon 29-Apr-13 23:20:33

I was always curious as to why Tom and Nicole didn't conceive a baby together, but both of them went on to have DC with other people. hmm

HoveringKestrel Mon 29-Apr-13 23:30:17

I'll just never understand why she chose to marry him if she didn't love him. I will not say she married him and cinceived a child if she didn't love him as that is a ridiculous thing to say about anybody I've never met.

I was just wondering if her career has now been tarnished by him, or could she bounce back?

I think she probably can, if she wanted to.

Jeremy Renner is not really that much in the closet, he lives with his boyfriend and the woman expecting his baby. From what I understand he is of the opinion that he does not care what the media says about his sexuality.

Lighthousekeeping Mon 29-Apr-13 23:55:40

I've never heard of him.

tut tut.

HoveringKestrel Tue 30-Apr-13 00:01:18

..........the topic is really about Katie and Tom. Not gay celebrities.

BOF Tue 30-Apr-13 00:04:54

Nicole Kidman got dumped just before their tenth year of contract marriage. Make of that what you will.

The practice of scoping out beards has gone on for years in Hollywood. Marilyn Monroe was auditioned for the role of Prince Rainier's bride before Grace Kelly got the gig.

KeatsiePie Tue 30-Apr-13 00:06:45

I thought he picked her b/c she was young, pretty, malleable, as has been said ... and fairly short! I don't like her acting but I didn't like Dawson's Creek at all, thought it was boring.

ClartyCarol Tue 30-Apr-13 00:34:04

Ooh yes, BOF has mentioned what I meant to add earlier - TC dumped NK just before their 10 year anniversary, which, purely by coincidence of course, saved him shit loads of money as she would've been entitled to half his dosh after 10 years of marriage under Californian law.

Or have I completely made that up confused?

LittleMissLucy Tue 30-Apr-13 00:58:45

Kidman was dumped due to a miscarriage which was supposedly nothing to do with him...allegedly.

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Tue 30-Apr-13 00:59:44

There is something deeply odd about TC and I for one have always assumed he is gay. Not that this is in any way the cause of his oddness...!!

I read a biography of Laurence Olivier and Vivien Leigh, and now I'm shocked if anyone in Hollywood is straight. Vivien was and Clark Gable, for the record, but basically no-one else from that era.

It seems times haven't changed that much for gay actors. It's really not about whether people fancy gay people less (although there's no denying many will); it's all about the box office takings. And out gay actors just do not have the same caché. This will be the bottom line for TC who has been a leading man for decades now and comes across as quite the megalomaniac. Coming out would ruin his career. I don't even think it's got anything to do with Scientology.

I think Katie lucked out big time by being one contract wife too far. Up until Penelope, it was all vaguely, tenuously believable, TC being a seemingly serial monogamist. But everything to do with his relationship with Katie seemed utterly contrived; the cringeworthy sofa-jumping being the epitome of that.

And I can well believe that she was genuinely distressed and miserable as the 'relationship' went on, wondering how if she would ever get out and move on, what it would mean for her daughter, etc. She never had any control or day over anything. If a scenario like that isn't enough to sink you into a cesspit of depression, I don't know what is.

I wonder what next for TC - where does he go to on the wife front from here?

RooneyMara Tue 30-Apr-13 07:18:13

I think it's Sanchez rather than Suarez MadameCastafiore. Still hard to find a pic!

JennyMackers Tue 30-Apr-13 11:58:55

No that's what I'd read too, as she was recovering from a miscarriage, approaching tenth anniversary he filed for divorce. She didn't see it coming apparently. She is SO well shot of him.

Lighthousekeeping Tue 30-Apr-13 12:49:45

If she didn't see it coming then it couldn't have been a contract. Surely it was a love marriage? I do think there's a lot of speculation about him just because he's not like us.

Ah, Hovering, you better get used to it, threads get more interesting when people stray from the topic. And as for male celebrities, well, especially then! grin (gay or not)

ClartyCarol Tue 30-Apr-13 15:51:50

Yes, I have read that as well about NK and the miscarriage, and the father was allegedly a certain Trainspotter.

2rebecca Tue 30-Apr-13 17:00:40

I'd never heard of her before she met him and still am not sure who she is, haven't watched Dawson's creek. Some people like to blame other people for the crap decisions they make. if she made some crap decisions whilst with him they are still her crap decisions not his. You wouldn't blame Any of Tom's women if his career went pear shaped so why blame him if theirs do?
I think he's a controlling nut job, but he's not exactly subtle about being a controlling nutjob. You would know what you were getting.

meboo Tue 30-Apr-13 18:03:59

Oh I do always love the TC speculation..... As it is said, there is your version, their version and then the truth.

If everyone really knew the truth there really wouldn't be much to talk about. smile

ClartyCarol Tue 30-Apr-13 18:15:17

Yes, I have read that as well about NK and the miscarriage, and the father was allegedly a certain Trainspotter.

ClartyCarol Tue 30-Apr-13 18:16:05

Apologies for repeat post!

JennyMackerz Tue 30-Apr-13 18:17:29

Really?! never read that re: wee mcgr

JennyMackerz Tue 30-Apr-13 18:19:15

2rebecca, that's a very naive statement there. I'm sure he didn't reveal how much control over HER he would want to have before they got married. Controlling men never do.

Lighthousekeeping Tue 30-Apr-13 18:24:08

We don't know that though do we? Not really.

2rebecca Tue 30-Apr-13 18:33:47

You get controlling women as well though, plenty of them on the MIL threads, far more controlling MILs than FILs. If you marry someone and you discover they are too controlling then you get a divorce. On the whole though if you see someone regularly for a couple of years before getting married it's highly unlikely they are suddenly going to become a control freak if they weren't before. Tom Cruise's control tendencies weren't exactly kept a secret by Nicole Kidman, I've heard he's a control freak and am not a Hello/ tabloid reader. Some women like to believe they are special or different or can change men, or get married too soon. Women sometimes make poor decisions.

BOF Tue 30-Apr-13 18:48:21

It's not true about Ewan M: DNA tests on the fetus proved it was Tom's.

JennyMackerz Tue 30-Apr-13 18:51:14

Yes but the MILs are older, and are controlling other women.

What's the age gap with KH and TC? It was pretty wide. I think there is a cultural script if that's the right expression to fall in with what the older person wants. 16 years (?) was a significant age gap. To begin with, she probably bowed to his superior wisdom a lot, fitted in around him, and 9 times out of ten it didn't matter and wasn't important I am sure. He also had about a million times as much cash as she had. Money is power. Whether you're talking about millions or thousands. TC appointed the wife of a high up scientologist as KH's personal assistant. He paid her salary but who was she actually working for? To begin with, before the issues arose, that wouldn't seem a problem. It would seem like a gift! And then, when you realise it is a problem, how to you solve it without looking like you have something to hide, without sacking your husband's friend and having to explain yourself?

JennyMackerz Tue 30-Apr-13 18:52:38

wow. was that public BOF? who made that public? NK ?

Lighthousekeeping Tue 30-Apr-13 18:58:07

I think she did. Did you hear her on desert island discs? Before the divorce? About a year I think, she was madly in love with him. Are we saying he got more controlling with the next wife?

ClartyCarol Tue 30-Apr-13 19:44:01

Bows to BOF's superior knowledge of sleb twaddle grin.

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