to think this couple were silly be abroad for the birth of their son

(108 Posts)
Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 12:35:10

A couple I know - acquaintances, more than friends - planned to be on holiday in a distant country for the birth of their son. Their son has been born and requires medical attention and they have no insurance - and have started a fundraiser online - Am I being unreasonable to think that was a really, really silly decision?

TheBigJessie Sat 27-Apr-13 12:37:25

No, you're not.

But judging them for being utter, utter, utter eejits unwise decisions won't help now. Is there a link? I'll give them something.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo Sat 27-Apr-13 12:39:11

It depends on the circumstances and you haven't given enough detail.

HoHoHoNoYouDont Sat 27-Apr-13 12:39:18

Bloody hell, let's hope they put more thought into future decisions.

I hope things work for them though and the baby is ok.

Shellywelly1973 Sat 27-Apr-13 12:39:31

YANBU ur a great friend...

5madthings Sat 27-Apr-13 12:39:47

Not taking out insurance was draft but judging won't help.

I hope their son is OK, that's the important thing.

Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 12:42:16

I know judging isn't going to help, and I truly hope the baby gets the treatment it needs

CloudsAndTrees Sat 27-Apr-13 12:45:04

Did they have a reason for having the baby abroad?

I assume they went there because family or someone is there?Why else would you pick another country to give birth in?

Also how did she manage to fly pregnant? I though there is limits,dependent on airline about when you can fly.

HotCrossPun Sat 27-Apr-13 12:47:08

Need a bit more info OP.

Why did they plan to be abroad for the birth? What country was it?

Wibblypiglikesbananas Sat 27-Apr-13 12:49:59

Sounds a bit odd to me. If they're so far away, they'd have had to fly and that wouldn't have been possible unless she was pre (at most) 36 weeks. Most airlines stipulate 32 weeks or 28 for twins. So - this is a bloody long holiday if this is correct!

Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 12:50:20

They were on a yoga retreat in the Caribbean if that helps

SwishSwoshSwoosh Sat 27-Apr-13 12:52:34

I feel you're missing the point a bit.

Am I being unreasonable to be so worried for my friend's baby seems more appropriate.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sat 27-Apr-13 12:52:36

A lot of insurance policies exclude pregnancy related conditions and cover for any new baby.. I guess they didn't realise this.

MNBlackpoolandFylde Sat 27-Apr-13 12:53:41

There were not silly to be abroad for the birth of their child really, but somewhere without medical insurance to cover for the worst seeing she was giving birth is silly.

I thought you could only fly during your third trimester with a doctor's note...??

But YANBU. Wasn't there a couple recently in the news who had their baby somewhere in Europe and didn't have insurance so had to do a fundraiser because the baby was prem and needed treatment?

ananikifo Sat 27-Apr-13 12:54:32

Was the baby born early? That's the only way this makes any sense.

Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 12:54:33

Of course the main point is that I'm concerned for the baby - and of the course that is the important thing - I'm just annoyed they could be so bloody silly and endanger their baby's health in such a reckless way

Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 12:55:35

The baby wasn't born early at all - it was bang on time - it was just a very long retreat!

Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 12:57:57

I'm not sure I feel comfortable sharing the fundraising link in MN - apologies

Mamafratelli Sat 27-Apr-13 12:58:06

Lots of people go on holiday pregnant. Of course they should have had insurance. In fact they might have done (some dont cover pregnancy). It sounds to me like baby came early.

I feel incredibly sorry for them. I lived abroad when ds was born. There were complications (for me) and it was very scary and lonely.

You sound like a terrible friend. They made a mistake not getting the correct insurance but they need support not judgement.

kungfupannda Sat 27-Apr-13 12:58:32

How were they planning on paying for the costs of the baby's birth - even without any unforseen complications? Have things just escalated beyond what they expected to be able to cover?

ananikifo Sat 27-Apr-13 12:59:31

Do they have any connections to the country where they had the baby? I'm sorry this is obviously sad but I can't wrap my head around wanting to give birth in another country where you're just on holiday.

kim147 Sat 27-Apr-13 12:59:51

There was an article on Look North about a couple who went abroad on holiday and the baby was born prematurely in Spain. They had to stay for ages and tried to find money for an air ambulance as the baby needed surgery but they had no insurance.

A hard lesson.

Mamafratelli Sat 27-Apr-13 12:59:52

Actually reading your last post I don't believe you. The mother wouldn't have been able to travel home at full term.

SoulTrain Sat 27-Apr-13 13:00:11

Hmmm hmm

Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 13:00:28

Without going into too much detail - they were planning on having the baby in a natural way at the retreat - and I assume, they just thought there wouldn't be any complications.

Bearbehind Sat 27-Apr-13 13:01:09

I'm with you OP, why are people so tolerate of others who put themselves in entirely avoidable situations and then expect to be bailed out.

Fair enough if the baby had been premature but to plan on giving birth abroad and to not take out insurance is just fucking stupid and incredibly selfish.

5madthings Sat 27-Apr-13 13:01:13

Well if you shared the link it may actually help them.

Fgs yes they should have sorted insurance etc but surely the priority now is making sure the baby gets the help it needs not judging them and inviting others to join in that judging on a parenting forum.

DeepRedBetty Sat 27-Apr-13 13:01:52

What utter pillocks.

DolomitesDonkey Sat 27-Apr-13 13:02:09

For everyone saying "you're not allowed to fly". How exactly does the airline know? They don't make you poas at passport control you know. wink My neighbours didn't know I was pregnant ...

Why oh why oh why and on which lentil-weaving planet did they knock together this woo-inspired yoga baby idea?

HoHoHoNoYouDont Sat 27-Apr-13 13:02:13

Yes, it's a sad sad situation the couple find themselves in but I don't think the OP is a terrible friend for asking the question.

Mamafratelli Sat 27-Apr-13 13:02:37

But how would they have got the baby home with no passport? If its true they sound naive. Still the focus should be on the baby

kungfupannda Sat 27-Apr-13 13:02:54

I'm assuming the baby will already have had whatever treatment is needed, given that it would presumably have been an emergency.

So are they now stuck in the country until they pay? Or does the baby need further, planned surgery?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sat 27-Apr-13 13:03:38

Ok, so how were they going to get a passport for their baby?

Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 13:03:48

The priority is definitely for them to get the help and support they need from friends and family (as I say, I'm an acquaintance), and I'm just using AIBU for a bit a rant - it doesn't preclude me from supporting, and I have donated.

SoupDragon Sat 27-Apr-13 13:04:37

But how would they have got the baby home with no passport?

Probably by applying for one!

Mamafratelli Sat 27-Apr-13 13:04:41

Dolomites if they suspect you are heavily pregnant they require a lett from the doctor. My friend was asked for the letter on a flight with me. She showed them a picture of her 6 month old twins and cried.

Mamafratelli Sat 27-Apr-13 13:05:40

Soup ds was born abroad. It took weeks to get a British passport, it's not as easy as it sounds.

SoupDragon Sat 27-Apr-13 13:06:05

Nearest British Embassy would sort a passport out, even if it were just an emergency one.

But yes, they were a bit daft to think this was a good idea with no insurance - I hope it all works out for them and that the baby is OK.

Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 13:06:49

I knew they flew to where they were two months ago - honestly, this isn't a lie - I thought they were bonkers to do it - so the airline must have accepted them

SoupDragon Sat 27-Apr-13 13:06:58

"weeks" to get a passport isn't much of a problem though. It's not impossible, that's the point I was making.

DolomitesDonkey Sat 27-Apr-13 13:07:11

mama yes, I expect some might be reticent to ask in case they get a case like your poor friend. Much the same as "should I/shouldn't I offer that rounded girl a seat?"!

Mamafratelli Sat 27-Apr-13 13:07:40

Nearest British embassy won't always have the facilities to provide passports. Ours didnt. We had the send it to a country a three hour flight away and then wait for it for almost a month.

SoupDragon Sat 27-Apr-13 13:09:08

But you did get a passport for your baby. I dont get why you were asking how they were going to get the baby home with no passport confused

thistlelicker Sat 27-Apr-13 13:09:10

For suck sake ppl do not use the brains they are born with!!!!! Pregnant and flying to a country that I am presuming you pay for all treatments with no insurance!!!! Fecking ridiculous!!! They jeopardised and compromised that baby the minute thy didnt take out insurance! Yes it's fine to fly up to certain gestation but babies can be born prematurely and that for me would have helped me to make mind up re location of holiday for starters!!!! Now baby is unwell and yes I'm sorry that's the case but ther stupidity means now they need to fund raise to help get are for their baby! No I dot think u being unreasonable! I think ure friends are stupid and selfish

DolomitesDonkey Sat 27-Apr-13 13:09:50

A passport is not the same as an emergency travel doc - which any consulate would issue.

I've had 2 children born abroad.

LaFataTurchina Sat 27-Apr-13 13:10:15

Depends on the country/circumstances really ... I'd still go on holiday to Western Europe if I was only about 7/8 months pregnant. I wouldn't risk going anywhere further afield/less developed.

Judging by the horror stories I sometimes hear on here I sometimes think I'd go home to Italy to give birth.

Mamafratelli Sat 27-Apr-13 13:10:32

Another friend had to spend 8 hours in immigration in Britain because her dd had been born in another country and the officials didnt like her paperwork. It took months to get it all sorted and there were threats of having her dd taken into care until it was sorted. This was with a British passport granted abroad. Hardly a risk worth taking.

"weeks" to get a passport isn't much of a problem though. It's not impossible, that's the point I was making.

Could it be a problem if you don't live in that country or need more money etc?

So she was 7 months when she flew out? Maybe she didn't look that pregnant, so the airline didn't ask?

It really is very selfish of them. There are plenty of lentil-weaving yoga holidays to go on in the UK.

5madthings Sat 27-Apr-13 13:12:14

Surely if the baby needs to travel urgently there are ways and means of getting this okayed without getting a passport is for emergency medical care etc?

Maybe they didn't realize their insurance woulsdnt cover them, so many policies have get out clauses etc.

Hope baby is OK anyway.

Mamafratelli Sat 27-Apr-13 13:12:20

Because they were on holiday. They probably planned to stay a couple of weeks after the birth. They wouldn't have got a passport in time. I think they took unnecessary risk and didnt think through the consequences

DolomitesDonkey Sat 27-Apr-13 13:12:47

Stop fear-mongering mama . As a mother of 2 children with British passports issues abroad you're talking utter rot.

Mamafratelli Sat 27-Apr-13 13:14:53

I have a son with a British passport issued abroad, I was simply saying that they obviously hadn't thought it through. It is easy to get a passport if you are near an embassy, much harder if you are not and certainly not instant.

DolomitesDonkey Sat 27-Apr-13 13:15:23

5mad as I have already stated, an emergency travel document can and will be issued on the day by the consulate. It is not a passport. However, a consulate can issue a passport - even if they say they don't. My tip: be nice to consulate staff and turn on your cut-glass accent.

diddl Sat 27-Apr-13 13:15:54

I thought that it wasn't recommended to fly until after post natal check up at 6wks also?

Would they have even been able to get insurance?

Bearbehind Sat 27-Apr-13 13:17:14

The OP said they have no insurance, that is very different to having a policy which doesn't cover the specific situation they find themselves in.

Medical care is not free in most countries so why on earth would they have ever thought this was a sensible idea.

They are the ones that have knowingly and avoidably put their child's health in jeopardy.

bran Sat 27-Apr-13 13:18:16

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Mamafratelli Sat 27-Apr-13 13:18:24

Obviously there would need to be a consulate on the island they are on dolomites we were a two hour flight from our nearest consulate.

MissLurkalot Sat 27-Apr-13 13:19:31

Yup, majorly silly decision... They seriously need their heads looking at! I can't believe family and friends didn't knock some sense into them!
Sorry to hear their baby's unwell though... But, what a pair of numpties!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sat 27-Apr-13 13:19:37

It does seem that the yoga retreat could have been clearer about insurance etc - they must need something specialist to cover newborns and people spending 3 months in the country.

5madthings Sat 27-Apr-13 13:20:43

Well maybe they looked into it and planned on staying till the passport came through or on getting an emergency travel document, who knows I just don't think its particularly nice to start a thread purely to judge/bitch about new parents who are dealing with a difficult situation.

We have no idea if they took out insurance which is now refusing to pay out or what the complications are etc.

Seems a bit mean to judge when we don't know the circumstances and its been a bit of a drip feed by the op IMO.

Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 13:21:18

I don't know the full details, and yes I am judging them, but I think they're bloody stupid

thistlelicker Sat 27-Apr-13 13:21:37

This has actually infuriated me! Social services need a look!angry

CabbageLeaves Sat 27-Apr-13 13:23:04

YANBU. It was irresponsible. Very

Flojobunny Sat 27-Apr-13 13:24:41

Why are so many people judging this couple. They chose to go abroad and have their baby at a retreat that presumably deals with childbirth all the time and something went wrong. What were the chances? Would you all be this judgemental if it was a home birth in this country? Is everyone who has a home birth an idiot too? Or is it the fact they hadn't factored in how much money they'd need? Does anyone actually do that anyway?
A friend of mine went in holiday and got ill and found out her insurance didn't cover as much as she thought and got stung. It could happen to anyone.
I personally wouldnt fly while pregnant at all. But many people do.

Bearbehind Sat 27-Apr-13 13:24:46

I thought that thistle. For example if a parent was too pissed to take their injured child to hospital, there would be uproar however I fail to see how this is different. These parents have deliberately put themselves in a situation where they are unable to provide their child with the medical care it needs.

trixymalixy Sat 27-Apr-13 13:25:38

I feel sorry for them, but if you can afford to be at a Caribbean yoga retreat for months then you can afford appropriate insurance.

thistlelicker Sat 27-Apr-13 13:28:41

As parents of a unborn or a toddler or a teenager there is a duty of care! It appears no consideration was made for baby, even if they did want to have baby there, how did they propose to pay for it? People in this country who come to have babies are hit with a bill, they are seen by appropriate people who will sort out fees and payment and if they don't pay they don't get to come back. And to be fair a home birth is a bit different to popping off to another country is it not???

thistlelicker Sat 27-Apr-13 13:30:24

Op. what is actually wrong with baby? What's the funds for! I'm sorry baby is unwell but their stupidity means other people have to help them out!

CarpeVinum Sat 27-Apr-13 13:31:03

Was it a planned free birth or home birth with "lay" spiritual midwife in a super fabby "all natural" eco enviroment ?

If so, YANBU to be hacked off with them, but to put it in context they may have had 9 months of people urging them to "trust birth", to the point where if one can feel like if you are planning for less anything less than steller outcomes you are not "trusting birth" enough, which is something of an invitation for birth to pay you back and bite you on the bum.

I'm not saying it is a good idea, but it can help a bit getting past the "why, just WHY didn't you think about potential downsides happening and plan for them?" bit when you see it from what might be their lens.

Hope the baby gets the help needed.

cantspel Sat 27-Apr-13 13:31:51

Anyone who thinks a Caribbean yoga retreat is a ideal place to give birth is probably not the sort to put to much though into the process of then getting the child a passport to bring them back to the uk.

They probably dont have insurance as no one would cover them.

Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 13:32:04

My understanding is the baby has an infection, and therefore they need to pay for up to two weeks of hospital treatment

thistlelicker Sat 27-Apr-13 13:34:12

I hope this retreat thingy whadyamacall it are helping them out! Not only do they need funds for baby but also for them to stay there with them!

FoxyRoxy Sat 27-Apr-13 13:36:29

If there is a consulate nearby then an emergency "passport" can be issued within 24 hours. Passports aren't really the issue here.

I don't think yabu for thinking your friends are idiots but that won't help matters now and I suspect that at this moment they probably think they are stupid twats themselves. I hope their son is ok and will be on the mend soon.

TheBigJessie Sat 27-Apr-13 13:38:19

^ but to put it in context they may have had 9 months of people urging them to "trust birth", to the point where if one can feel like if you are planning for less anything less than steller outcomes you are not "trusting birth" enough, which is something of an invitation for birth to pay you back and bite you on the bum^

Fortunately for me, this is one of the areas of life in which I first became confident enough to think say "fuck off" to people pressuring me to follow their stark naked bollocks in the Ritz dining hall bonkers recommendations!

CarpeVinum Sat 27-Apr-13 13:40:34

OP, do they have nothing tout up for a secured loan? Is there anyway anybody back home could help arrage that with a bank?

Preferably for more than they are asking, cos infection could mean anything, septicemia is an infection. The two weeks could end up being longer with more intervention needed. Newborns can be tricky.

Have they contacted the nearest consulate ? I don't kow if they could do anything practical, but you never know if there are unspoken agreements that go on and at least they may be able to advice them to some degree.

OutragedFromLeeds Sat 27-Apr-13 13:41:41

YANBU of course they were idiots. Thinking that is the reaction of normal, rational person and doesn't make you a bad friend. Obviously they, and more impprtantly the baby need help now. Once it's all over and the baby is back safely I think they could probably do with being told that what they did was massively stupid (if they haven't realised already, which if they're as stupid as they sound they might not have done).

Coolingwood Sat 27-Apr-13 13:42:39

I'm not a really a close friend, and I'm sure they have people closer to them who can help with banks, consulates, etc. I hope they do sort it out

MummytoKatie Sat 27-Apr-13 13:45:43

Might be totally stereotyping here but someone who goes to the Carribean to give birth on a yoga retreat and doesn't get medical insurance may not be the type to overly worry about how to get a passport for the baby!

For the person who said "what are the odds of something going wrong"? Well quite high presumably. I think the natural maternal mortality rate in birth is in the region of 10% and that doesn't even cover the baby.

And from what the Op has said this is just an infection that requires a couple of weeks in hospital. Not a terribly rare one in a million type complication.

I feel sorry for them but I feel a lot more sorry for the baby.

Andcake Sat 27-Apr-13 13:46:20

Poor baby - silly naive parents who probably have had an easy life and didn't consider that bad things could happen to them. Ths has probably taught them a valuable less but must be so stressful.

AugustaProdworthy Sat 27-Apr-13 13:49:56

Erm... Yoga retreat in Caribbean sounds expensive... Seems an unusual decision to go so far away when near term.

If they can afford to take time off work, give birth in a yoga retreat in the Caribbean, I'm sure they have the funds for a 2 week hospital stay.

Sounds very suss to me. I'd love to see the fundraising link.

ShellyBoobs Sat 27-Apr-13 14:04:26

A friend of mine went in holiday and got ill and found out her insurance didn't cover as much as she thought and got stung. It could happen to anyone.

No, it could only happen to someone thick enough to not check what cover the policy offered.

Insurance isn't a game of luck, you know. Funnily enough, policy documents tell you what you're covered for and to what value. Not reading it is stupid not unlucky.

Madmum24 Sat 27-Apr-13 14:05:05

I hope the baby is fine after treatment. The parents made a very poor decision in my opinion. There are plenty of "alternative" places in the UK to give birth.

HenrySugar Sat 27-Apr-13 14:15:21

Of course they should have had insurance. If you have a family policy, a new baby is added as soon as it's born. We found that out when dc3 was born overseas and we received 2 bills for the excess on the insurance - one for me and one for baby confused

Bit late for all that now though - no insurance company will go near them if the child is already sick. They will have to cough up.

I say this a lot, living overseas, but we are so lucky with the NHS.

SignoraStronza Sat 27-Apr-13 14:19:00

hmm LaFata Other than rich friend in Milan who hired a private mw and got her straightforward home birth, I don't know anyone at all who's had a positive birth experience in an Italian hospital (I still have flashbacks). Cleanliness and technically (for the eventual section -fine. Bedside manner, compassion, modernity and pain relief severely lacking (as in zero). Didn't have a private gynae or the ability to proffer €600 cash in an envelope to pre-book an anaesthetist for an epidural though. Perhaps could have been different?

Back to the op. Yes, I agree it was abloody stupid idea, but hope they manage to get the treatment needed for the baby.

HappyMummyOfOne Sat 27-Apr-13 14:30:48

YANBU, like others have said if they can afford to not be at work and pay for a long term holiday then they can either afford insurance or the care bills.

If they cant, then they need to look at borrowing the money. Fumdraising to pay for it seems terribly wrong. The situation is of their own making.

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Sat 27-Apr-13 14:34:49

YANBU
What a stupid thing to do.

DeepRedBetty Sat 27-Apr-13 14:54:58

I've got limited funds available for charitable giving. A pair of idiots come considerably further down my list than clean water for children in developing countries, mosquito nets, and education for girls in countries where it is not yet the norm.

CarpeVinum Sat 27-Apr-13 15:06:01

I don't know anyone at all who's had a positive birth experience in an Italian hospital (I still have flashbacks)

Seconded.

And they wonder why there are so many onlies over here.

Ds is nearly 13. And I still habour ill will.

phantomnamechanger Sat 27-Apr-13 15:32:35

They were silly and irresponsible and sound like the sort who never think anything bad can happen to THEM. There have been enough of these stories in the media recently for anyone who does not get insurance to rightly be branded a fool. Why is it not compulsory??

If they can afford such a long posh holiday they should have been able to afford adequate insurance, and can probably afford /raise the money themselves somehow for the treatment too but are playing the "poor us" card to get donations - maybe there is more to this than we know.....

GrowSomeCress Sat 27-Apr-13 15:35:14

I can't believe they didn't have insurance, insanity shock

andubelievedthat Sat 27-Apr-13 15:38:40

All that talk re raising money ,selling the family home etc , what tosh ,one call to the Daily Fail newsdesk and before you can say"here ,just sign this" all will be taken care off ,as the enquiring British public lap up a good human interest story, esp. one involving hippy trippy silly people and a new born in a supposedly exotic location, whilst paper gets to cover story over a say initially 10 week period >i can imagine the front page as i type.

LastTangoInDevonshire Sat 27-Apr-13 16:51:09

If they can afford a yoga retreat in the Caribbean then they can do without the £1 I can afford to donate to them in their 'hour of need'.

PatPig Sat 27-Apr-13 17:48:16

Yoga retreat is an actual thing?

Send them a slap.

nooka Sat 27-Apr-13 18:05:21

I've a very 'wooish' friend who might well go on retreats of this nature (not heavily pregnant I think as she is also a nurse so I hope more sensible). Some of the organisations that organise this sort of thing are very intense, almost cult like, so I'd wonder if the couple were over encouraged to assume everything would go just fine because of the natural powers of yoga/ashram etc.

I'd also not assume that this was an expensive holiday. It might well have cost them an arm and a leg but it might actually be very spartan (I'm thinking some people might be imagining a spa type set up).

Sadly people often don't think through the potential consequences of their actions and have contingency plans in place. I suspect that whilst the details of this scenario might be unusual there are many similar situations of people getting stuck because they didn't think things through.

GreenLeafTea Sun 28-Apr-13 00:24:36

Didn't Angelina Jolie do the whole 'travel abroad to give birth' thing?

HellonHeels Sun 28-Apr-13 00:34:52

All I'm thinking about this is that it's not really appropriate to post so much detail that presumably makes them easily identifiable.

BonaDea Sun 28-Apr-13 00:40:15

Yanbu and are being unfairly slated. Sounds like very silly behaviour!!

sashh Sun 28-Apr-13 05:43:33

Wasn't there a couple recently in the news who had their baby somewhere in Europe and didn't have insurance so had to do a fundraiser because the baby was prem and needed treatment?

Not for treatment no, that was covered because baby is EU citizen, but insurance would have paid for an air ambulance to get baby back to Britain.

I can understand them starting a fund raiser, and I would probably give too - as long as any surplus was left with the hospital for local children.

I do think going abroad to give birth is .............. well it's an interesting idea and you do have to plan for if things go wrong.

Bloody idiots. Poor baby.

But also, boy are they in for a shock with a baby. If they were so convinced everything would be fine for a natural yoga birth they presumably imagine the baby will fit neatly into their terribly hip lives. Just snoozing in a sling and having a spot of milk from time to time.....
Ha ha ha. Don't know whether to laugh or cry (& it kind of depends on how poorly the baby is)

lozster Sun 28-Apr-13 09:00:27

No insurance will cover you for this as it is in effect a planned birth. Insurance is for unforeseen eventualities. A baby arriving after nine months is not a surprise. Indeed, anyone travelling should check the t&c of their policy very carefully as although many will cover pregnant women they won't cover a 'normal' birth. The definition of 'normal' can extend to slightly prem so although you might be covered for a broken leg and an ultrasound, the birth and associated costs may not be taken care of. Incidentally, I was also rejected from some insurance because my pregnancy is a result of ivf!

In terms of being asked if you are pregnant/how many weeks, I have just returned from Spain. No questions on way out but I was asked on the way back was I pregnant and how many weeks. I am below the travel cut off and the date from which a drs letter is required. I had my notes with me though they accepted my word.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 28-Apr-13 12:17:07

Most Embassies and Consulates no longer issue passports - it's all done in the UK. So no 24 hour turn round any more. DD1's passport took about a week to get back from UK (we're in France). And I'm not sure you can have an emergency passport if you've never held a passport before.

MrsSchadenfreude Sun 28-Apr-13 12:20:22

An emergency passport can only be issued if you've had yours lost or stolen - not for a first passport.

McNewPants2013 Sun 28-Apr-13 12:35:59

I really don't think anybody here can judge the parents, because the op doesn't really know the parents that well.

Rufus20 Sun 28-Apr-13 14:16:29

They sound like damn fools to not have insurance, YANBU

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