to be pissed off that my "12 week scan" will not be done till i am at least 16 weeks!

(69 Posts)
MoodyDidIt Thu 25-Apr-13 11:29:05

in fact i could be more like 20 weeks shock

(long story to do with not being sure of my dates)

but anyway, got the letter today with my scan date and based on the LATEST possible time i conceived, i will be at least 16 weeks

i think its appalling. i rang and explained the situation but they will not cannot give me an earlier one

gutted. we have no money for a private one otherwise i would book one immediately

BlingLoving Thu 25-Apr-13 11:30:53

YANBU. The screening they do has to be done before 13 weeks. I would ring again and throw a complete wobbly.

JakeBullet Thu 25-Apr-13 11:31:00

Welcome to the world of NHS cuts sad. It isn't right at all that you should have to wait this long.

KatAndKit Thu 25-Apr-13 11:32:35

If you are already past 12 weeks then you will be too late for the NT test anyway so I guess they don't see any urgency. Did you find out very late that you were pregnant? I don't think you are being unreasonable to be pissed off - surely it is not unreasonable to want to date your pregnancy and check that all is going well with the baby? I had a private scan for £50 once - they are not always £150 or more if you just want a black and white 2d dating scan.
What does your midwife say about this?

ChunkyPickle Thu 25-Apr-13 11:35:51

They have cancellations, then have people not turning up, these are quite important tests (if you go in for tests) - ring up again, hope for a different person, and say that you'll come in and wait for a slot (if that's possible for you)

You could get your midwife or doctor to call too perhaps? I know that when I was unsure of my dates my midwife called for me and got an emergency squeezed in appointment for me.

SpanishFly Thu 25-Apr-13 11:35:52

"but anyway, got the letter today with my scan date and based on the LATEST possible time i conceived, i will be at least 16 weeks" so if you'll be between 16-20 weeks, how can they say it's to do with you not being sure of dates - surely worstcase scenario should be that you'd be 12-16 weeks?

ChunkyPickle Thu 25-Apr-13 11:36:49

The standard private ones are just bonding scans - you'd probably have to pay more to get a medical scan with associated blood tests.

janey223 Thu 25-Apr-13 11:37:08

They have to do measurements between 11 and 13 weeks for downs and after 14 weeks (I think) they're not accurate for dating.

I had my first scan at 10+6 (going by the latest possible date with bloods) with a days notice then was called in the next week because it has to be 11-13 weeks for the measurements they need.

ruledbyheart Thu 25-Apr-13 11:51:58

They can do the downs test by bloods at 16weeks, they couldn't take the measurements at my 12 week scan due to an awkward baby so they offered me the triple test at 15/16 weeks.

littleducks Thu 25-Apr-13 11:55:13

I had to travel a 5 hour on public transport round trip on Monday for a 10 minute scan as there was no space in a suitable timeframe at the hospital closer to me. My maternity care has been a bit shit, basically because there are just so many pregnant women here atm.

EssexGurl Thu 25-Apr-13 12:00:15

I moved house in early pregnancy and dr at old practice wouldn't send me to MW or for scan so I had to wait until I moved house. I went for scan at about 14 weeks. The hospital were really annoyed with me and I had to have extra blood tests as they couldn't do the nuchal test at that stage. None of it was my fault but they couldn't see that. Can't believe they are making you wait. I was pretty much fast tracked once new GP had seen me. You are being treated appallingly.

BergholtStuttleyJohnson Thu 25-Apr-13 12:04:22

Yes it's shit but I assume you're low risk so others have priority. I had my dating scan at 16weeks with ds1 nearly 3 years ago. I had my 20 week scan just over 3 weeks later. I saw my gp at 4 weeks and my booking appointment at 9 weeks! They were just busy and I was low risk. I did decline the screening tests though so maybe that's why it was late in my case.

JenaiMorris Thu 25-Apr-13 12:10:21

I totally understand your irritation, but we had one solitary scan at 20wks, unless there were concerns.

It does seem a bit rubbish though, considering dating scans are the norm these days.

Smithsgirl88 Thu 25-Apr-13 12:17:06

I know it sounds terrible, but the week scan is there to check everything's ok, so can understand why you're annoyed, so couldn't you go there and say you've been bleeding or something? They'll give you a scan then to check everything's ok. At least you'll get to see you baby and the heartbeat etc...
When I was bleeding whilst pregnant with my son at 3 weeks they got me in for a scan to check I wasn't miscarrying so they're bound to do it for someone who's at 12 or so weeks.

TalkUsernameYoudLike Thu 25-Apr-13 12:44:33

This didn't happen with me, but I can completely understand how you feel.

I didn't get to see a midwife 'til I was 20 weeks pregnant!

5madthings Thu 25-Apr-13 12:49:41

I would be annoyed the scan at 12wks as well as dating the pregnancy also offers the opportunity for screening tests if you want them and they can detect some serious conditions that are incompatible with life, or it may show a non viable pregnancy etc. It will show if you are having twins etc and can spot numerous things that may mean you are 'high risk' and therefore will need closer monitering.

I would not be happy to wait till 16wks, can you afford to pay privately? I had my nuchal scans done privately but at my local hospital as I was under 35 and so not offered them routinely.

5madthings Thu 25-Apr-13 12:53:00

Its recommended the scan is done between 11-13wks.

littleducks Thu 25-Apr-13 12:57:28

Please don't fake bleeding or anything.

I have HG so have to go into hospital regularly in pregnancy, one time I had bleeding too. The wait is ages, which is crap when you are not well and really not fair if the people in front of you are faking just to see the baby. I have had to have a speculum exam to check if the cervix was still closed and see the bleeding. It wasn't pleasant, I wouldn't do that unless medically indicated! Also as it was a portable scan the picture was poor all you really could see was a heartbeat (which was all that was needed in my case) and the placenta, it couldn't give you an accurate idea of gestation.

5madthings Thu 25-Apr-13 13:00:10

www.mumsnet.com/pregnancy/12-week-scan

This is the mnet info with link to nice guidelines.

Sorry just seen you can't afford a private scan sad

Have you been back to your gp, they may be able to liaise with the hospital and get the scan brought forward, or see midwife?

5madthings Thu 25-Apr-13 13:02:11

I was at uni when I got rpeg with ds1, in denial at first and then went home for the holidays and didn't see a gp till I went back to uni, by which time I was almost 12wks, the gp simply phoned the hospital and they got me in asap.

Smithsgirl88 Thu 25-Apr-13 13:32:01

The one I had was an appointment and gave me an accurate gestation date - I went twice as I was genuinely bleeding both times. But mightve been an appointment as I was so early and there's no emergency as your body will usually naturally flush away the foetus if you are miscarrying but is more for your peace of mind. But I thought if she mentioned she was spotting every now and again they might bring the date forward.

Squitten Thu 25-Apr-13 13:36:45

Can you not go to an EPU? I conceived current pregnany very late indeed - day before period was due! It put my dates out by a fortnight. My GP sent me to an Early Pregnancy Unit walk-in where they scanned me once, we realised the baby was only about 4wks along and I went back two weeks later to be rescanned and verified as viable.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Thu 25-Apr-13 13:41:35

I wouldn't be happy with that. As others have said you have to be scanned between 11-13 weeks as they do the screening and bloods for disorders such as Downs and other abnormalities. I would phone and ask them about that.

lljkk Thu 25-Apr-13 14:30:33

OP may not qualify for nuchal fold at 12 weeks for other reasons, they aren't universal (I think?).

I didn't have a scan with DC1 until 16 weeks.

How many weeks are you now, OP?

MoodyDidIt Thu 25-Apr-13 15:56:34

sorry have only just come back to the thread, thanks for all the replies. glad its not just me that thinks it takes the piss

and for those who have asked how many weeks i am, this is the thing, am not sure exactly how many weeks i am! i could be 11 weeks but could be about 15. its a long story...

my friend did what that poster did, faked bleeding. i must admit it did cross my mind, but as someone else said, its not fair to hold up the queue for people with genuine problems

well dh has found somewhere that does a private scan for £75, so we may be able to stretch to that. as MIL has given us £100 as a moving in present (just moved in to new house) we were going to buy a tumble dryer with it but this is more important atm sad

Why is it important?

I'm not saying it isn't; I'm asking why it is.

I'm anxious enough about having mine at 12+6 because 11-13 is the nuchal fold window and I am over 30.

I get that your dates are hazy, but if it is to confirm dates then a private scan won't commit to that - the best you can hope for is "more like 12 than 16" or whatever. Please don't waste money if you're skint.

If on the other hand you're frantic about your Schroedinger baby and whether it is even alive/viable, then it could well be a small price to pay.

In my cousin's area you get a dating scan and no anomaly scan. That frightens me more, given the number of children I know whose serious conditions were identified then and otherwise could have killed them.

DoraTheExploder Thu 25-Apr-13 16:28:23

Where I lived, the first scan was at 20 weeks. This was 14 years ago. They didn't do a 12 week scan in my area.

redwallday Thu 25-Apr-13 16:35:00

Considering I had my scan at 13 weeks to find out the baby died at 6 weeks I would push for a scan sooner. I have had to go private to have a D&C today at 14 weeks. My body was showing absolutely no signs of letting go and I'd had lots of pregnancy symptoms and no bleeding. The private simple test round here is £55. If nothing else at least you would get to see a heartbeat. Xxx

OHforDUCKScake Thu 25-Apr-13 16:41:00

"Its not fair to hold up the queue"

You wouldnt though, thats what the EPUA is for.

OHforDUCKScake Thu 25-Apr-13 16:41:46

*EPU

InNeedOfBrandy Thu 25-Apr-13 16:49:14

What you need to do is lie. Pretend something is wrong, bad cramps blabla spotting an they will give you a scan to check baby and you will know your dates wink

MrsHoarder Thu 25-Apr-13 16:53:28

Before you pay for a private scan check that they would do measurements for you. Some of them just give you a picture, not the medical checks that the NHS one does.

Is it worth contacting your local hospital PAL after reading the NHS guidelines. And the EPU is not for routine scans, its for women who are having problems in early pregnancy.

MoodyDidIt Thu 25-Apr-13 16:54:32

oh redwall i am so sorry for your loss sad

flowers

that is the kind of thing i am worried about. i have gone through an awful lot of stress lately and i do worry about the effect it could have on the baby. and also i dont mean to be morbid, but what if something was wrong with the baby and i needed to have a termination? it would be worse the later on the pregnancy had progressed

and on a less serious note, i just want to know an accurate-ish date! as opposed to what i have got now. and <fingers crossed all IS ok> i want to be able to tell people etc

so this is why i am keen to have one earlier than later!

thermalsinapril Thu 25-Apr-13 17:02:05

YANBU

JenaiMorris Thu 25-Apr-13 17:06:54

To counter littleduck's post, I spent a lot of time on different days in the EPAU waiting room before I miscarried. One time, 6 hours and never less than 3.

Given the circumstances, I wouldn't have begrudged you telling a white lie to get seen at all OP.

lljkk Thu 25-Apr-13 17:24:55

Would that £75 for private include nuchal fold?

numbum Thu 25-Apr-13 17:56:14

I think it's crap to make you wait that long. I'd go to EPU rather than spend money you don't have on a scan. If you're further on then maybe they will rush your nuchal scan through. Our area only had 20 week scans up until 3 years ago. If I'd been given a 12 week scan then it would have picked up that my baby was incompatible with life and I wouldn't have had to go through labour at 22 weeks.

lljkk Thu 25-Apr-13 18:14:03

I would like to hear the full story, OP, of your confusion over dates, before I decide if you are BU or not. I have a feeling you just walked in today & are demanding an immediate scan, but tell me I'm wrong.

Ashoething Thu 25-Apr-13 18:22:12

Get the name of a consultant and email their secretary-no use trying to go through the lackeys you will get no where.

I cant believe people on here are basically telling you tough shit!-well actually I can cos its aibu and some people are twats but still. Scans are there for a reason-to detect possibly serious problems.

If I hadn't gone straight to the hospital at 19 wks pregnant with a tinge of pink discharge then I would not have found out that I have an incompetent cervix. I didn't wait about until it was convenient for them for me to come in! This is your baby you are talking about!

Be a pest-complain,complain,complain-or fake a bleed.

CuppaTea83 Thu 25-Apr-13 18:39:10

They only bought in the 12 week scan in my area 4 years ago. Before that it was 20 week scan only.
It is crappy and YANBU to be pissed off but unfortunately many of us have been there too.

lljkk Thu 25-Apr-13 18:56:56

(I imagine OP taking so long to reply because she's writing an almighty mammoth post).

DorisIsWaiting Thu 25-Apr-13 19:11:38

I think rather than paying for a private scan I would be fighting much harder for an NHS one at the time when they will be able to test appropriately.

Start creating a fuss (REALLY BIG FUSS!) Contact PALS, contact the head of midwifery asnd ask them, why you should not have the routine tests available to all other pregnant women (they are not acurately at that stage of pregnancy). I would maybe even consider talking to my MP. It is that serious.

If they are doing it to you how many other women are they doing it too (and removing their access to choices had those tests come out positive iyswim)

I would even seriously consider changing hospitals .

LovesBeingWokenEveryNight Thu 25-Apr-13 19:13:04

Ring them each day for a cancelled appointment

HappyMummyOfOne Thu 25-Apr-13 19:15:12

Not getting why its so important either given your other posts indicate the child was planned so you must have a fairly accurate date yourself.

£75 for a scan seems a good price but only you know if its worth it. Relatively cheap given how much babies and children cost.

Given that OP got a letter through today with her scan date, lljkk, it seems rather unlikely that she "just walked in today & is demanding an immediate scan" -- unless the Royal Mail is chuffing amazing where she is.

lljkk Thu 25-Apr-13 19:35:30

The "walked in today" was a bit rhetorical.
OP is saying she'll get scanned at 16 weeks but then gives a 5 week window for her present dates, so maybe she'll get scanned at 12 weeks after all.

She hasn't said how soon the scan is and how many days forward she would like it.

It sounds like she could have presented to MW in last 2 weeks, said she was completely fuzzy about dates, and expected a scan within 2 weeks to help her determine the date (to 95% accuracy if it really was between 11 & 13 weeks).

She hasn't mentioned wanting the nuchal fold (may not be offered, anyway), just wants accurate dating (I think).

Anyway, I'm confused, and OP asked "AIBU to be pissed off" and really I don't know unless she can clarify a lot.

lljkk Thu 25-Apr-13 19:41:45

Okay, I creeped off to look at OP's thread when she announced her pg on MN, so I understand better why so unsure about dates.

I dunno, I will not adjust my arse to the fence. It is pants they aren't more interested in problems of missing best window, but Like some have said, not so long ago 12 week scans weren't even offered. I wonder if it's another one of those Austerity Britain stories.

lljkk Thu 25-Apr-13 19:42:10

oops, need an edit button, I mean I am now on the fence (oh, the shame....!)

digerd Thu 25-Apr-13 19:43:27

Being too old to have had scans in my day, how many weeks is the first scan usually?

MrsDeVere Thu 25-Apr-13 19:46:52

With DCs 4 & 5 both their dating scans were nearer 16 weeks than 12.

I went to the GP fairly early on but not early enough hmm. You have to go asap in order to get your scan booked in. In the olden days you were told there was no real hurry. Now you seem to have to get there as soon as you miss a period.

Mine were further held up because although I explictly said I did NOT want a nuchal fold scan I was booked in for them anyway. These then had to be cancelled and apparently this impacted on the when I could have the dating scan confused

Both my scan appointments [two years apart] were at the bizarre and hugely inconvenient time of 8.20am.

I think that time shows just how busy they are.

Fakebook Thu 25-Apr-13 19:52:38

What you need to do is lie. Pretend something is wrong, bad cramps blabla spotting an they will give you a scan to check baby and you will know your dates

WTAF?! Are bad cramps and "blala spotting" a joke to you? Because I've been in that position FOUR FUCKING TIMES waiting for hours on end for an emergency scan waiting to find out my babies had died. You think it's a joke to just stroll in and LIE about bleeding?

If anyone even THINKS that this is the only way to get a scan and be seen, then think for one second about the actual women who are experiencing that hell and if you have an ounce of decency you'd hold back and let THEM be seen.

The OP is not in any danger and doesn't even know how far along she is. She might not even be 16 weeks when she has the scan. She should either be more assertive and ask for an earlier date or just wait.

foreverondiet Thu 25-Apr-13 20:05:39

If you want 12 week scan on nhs need to go to gp at 5-6 weeks. With ds1 gp lost referral form and no appointments left - and that was 2005 ie before nhs cuts.

ChaoticTranquility Thu 25-Apr-13 20:18:40

I had scans at 12 and 19/20 weeks for both of my DC and they're 18 and 20.

OP speak to your GP and/or PALS, they may be able to help you.

BraveLilBear Fri 26-Apr-13 12:08:18

YANBU presuming you explained the date confusion to GP/MW.

Ultrasound units factor in time for emergency scans and other things, so there is usually some leeway. You should ring MWs (if you have been booked in) or GP straightaway.

As for referring late to GP, I self-referred to MWs at what I thought was 6 plus weeks, had booking in at 9 weeks, and had scan booked then for two weeks later. The scan dated me a week further ahead.

Good luck

I registered with GP at 4w but they didn't send referral through until 10w hmm but I still got booking appt within a week and scan within the recommended window, if later than I'd have preferred.

I think ringing to see if there are any cancellations is a good idea. Lying about bleeding is unacceptable.

Ashoething Fri 26-Apr-13 12:45:47

fakebook-I am sorry for your losses-I too have had many msc including very late ones. But the op is entitled to want a scan-for all we know she could have suffered a missed msc-happened to me and I had no clue until scan at 12 weeks. Scans can pick up other problems as I mentioned in my previous post.

Obviously in an ideal world the op should not have to lie but if it is her only option to get the scan she deserves then I for one have no problem with it.

valiumredhead Fri 26-Apr-13 14:03:39

5mad when I had ds 12 years ago it was done routinely have they just changed it now then?

I do remember second babies not being scanned until 20 weeks though if the first had been healthy and trouble free.

Fakebook Fri 26-Apr-13 14:23:52

Ashoething, there is NEVER an only option which involves lying about bleeding. Am I the only person who sees how morally wrong that is? I think the OP has said she wouldn't do this and I really hope she doesn't take the stupid advice about lying being given on here. I hope she continues to phone up or get her midwife to call up for an earlier scan. My experience of the NHS is that you won't get what you want until you repeatedly ask for it.

5madthings Fri 26-Apr-13 14:24:46

I have had a 12 wk scan for all of mine as routine and then with the last three we paid for a nuchal scan extra privately as the age cut off in norfolk was 35 so i am too young. Theu have now changed tgat and the nuchal scan is offered to everyone at the 12 wk scan. If you dont want the nuchal scan they still scan at 12 wks to check for viable pregnancy, check dates, check if its a multiple pregnancy etc etc.

Nice guidlines are a scan from 11-13 wks. You can decline any scan but imo the 12 wk scan is important and can.pick up on issues that need to be moniterex or need further tests and of course it checks for a missed miscarriage.

Anomaly Fri 26-Apr-13 14:26:20

A friend of mine thought she was about to miscarry and midwife told her the only way to get her scanned was to say she was bleeding. So she did and was scanned, sadly she was right. But if midwives are advising lying to get scans it really must be necessary at times. I know its not nice I've sat in EPU twice with bleeding fortunately all was OK. But if I was desperate I'd lie.

MummyDuckAndDuckling Fri 26-Apr-13 15:03:46

I was 15w4days when I had my first nhs scan. I felt it was far to long to have to wait so I paid for my own private one at 9w3days. I wouldn't have bothered but I was going a long distance flight and wanting to tell family I was visiting so wanted to be sure there was something there! Did mean that my nhs scan was much clearer as baby was a lot bigger than at a 12 wk one

Maxium12 Fri 26-Apr-13 15:24:44

Bleeding in early pregnancy can be an indication of a threatened miscarriage or a possible ectopic. Lying about something so serious is unacceptable and I am surprised it is being suggested.

The OP says she could be either 11 or 16 weeks, so she can either have the combined test for Downs from 11+ 2 to 14+ 2 or the quadruple test from 14+ 3 to 20 weeks.

She hasn't said how recently she was referred but I assume the hospital has given her the earliest appointment they could on receiving the referral.

Can your midwife not call?

digerd Fri 26-Apr-13 16:20:48

I remember being at A&E about 10 years ago, and a young couple were sitting next to me. The young girl looked in shock, dazed and stunned, so asked her what she was here for.
I was horrified to hear she had come for her first baby scan, looking forward to the photo, and they told her it was dead sad.
Even worse, they had no bed for her so sent her to sit in A&E to wait for a bed being available, and then she would have to induced to have her dead baby born naturally.

I know it was very early, so was probably 11 weeks, but couldn't remember as was so shocked for her situation shock

She had no symptoms.

lljkk Fri 26-Apr-13 16:29:29

I dunno, if every woman presented herself with unknown dates due to a maybe period maybe not a period (which is Moody's problem with knowing her dates), then how many unnecessary scans would be required? Doesn't NHS have a policy on this situation, lots of women are fuzzy about their dates. It's not unusual.

MrTumblesTreasureMap Fri 26-Apr-13 16:51:54

You shouldn't fake bleeding to get a scan. You should put on your big girl panties and push for the routine one. Women who go to the EPU can be waiting hours as it is so to have them wait even longer to find out if their bleeding is because they are losing their baby or not because of women who lie about bleeding is awful and wrong.

YY lljkk - if it was known that being unsure about your dates got you an early scan, nobody would say she was sure.

SpanishFly Fri 26-Apr-13 17:29:25

Never ever fake bleeding and never ever go to the EPU if you just want an earlier scan. EPUs are for emergencies and it's disgusting that anyone thinks it's ok to fake your way in.

But on the other hand, the OP says she'll be at least 16w at the first scan which - in her health board area - should be 12w, so yes she should be seen sooner than that.

OHforDUCKScake Fri 26-Apr-13 19:27:18

What exactly was the point of your post then digerd? hmm

Apart from scaring the shit out of an already concerned OP?

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