To ask if YOU having MMR?(259 Posts)
Ok. I have vaccinated my dc according to schedule. I got an email at work today from occupational health people (not healthcare or similar) saying that if you a) born after 1972 b) didn't have 2 doses MMR and c) didn't have confirmed case measles then should have MMR now! I asked my Dad (retired gp) and he said I had one measles jab as child, didn't have mmr (although my younger brother did) - he said v v likely I was immune. However he thought slight risk of not being immune.
I am sure a lot of you fall into the category above (most people born between 1972 and 1980) - so who is having.
I don't work with children or in healthcare - I work in an office.
I fall in the category though had no record of any measles vaccine. 18 months ago I was travelling to the Dordogne when there was the measles epidemic in Sarlat so I had an MMR course then.
I was born in 1972, had measles vacc as a child (1 dose I think), caught mumps, had rubella jab aged 14.
I've not heard anything about adults being offered mmr here (Scotland) but I'd have it if advised to. I think they're concentrating on teenagers here though.
I was born in 1981 but had the single Rubella jab as a teenager, so can't have had the MMR. I've had Mumps, I can't forget that, got sent home from school looking like a hamster in a lettuce farm. Never had measles. Doubt I'm immune, don't think I even know anyone that had measles when I was younger.
I was born in 1974 so had no jabs but I did catch measles, mumps and German measles as a child.
I think I'm probably covered. I might send DH though. He had none of them!
I was born in 1986 and weirdly have a record card which says I had two MMR jabs, but they were only a couple of months apart. When I had to go through occupational health as I started my social worker training they said they were supposed to be further apart than this (can't remember by how much) so the second one wouldn't have been effective, and I had to have it again. That was a few years ago, can't remember if I had two then though or just one.
I also found out I am naturally immune to chicken pox, which is nice.
I was born in 1980 - had single measles vaccine aged 9 and rubella vaccine aged 11. I've had mumps so assume am immune to that.
I was born in 1978.
I've had measles and mumps and been vaccinated against rubella as a teenager.
I've also had whooping cough, so I suspect I wasn't vaccinated at all as a baby/young child - though I've never asked.
So no, I wouldn't bother if I was offered it.
Sleepyhead - yes also had mumps as child and rubella jab aged 12 and one measles jab as child. This was an email from the occupational health person at work - Not actual nhs advice - although I have forwarded the email to my gp to ask for clarity. Have no idea if gp would give it to mr bearing in mind I had measles jab as child and I am fit and healthy!!!!
What happened before 1972????
I'm trying to work out if I've ever had some kind of vaccination.
Never had measles.
I had measles as a child. I was immune to Rubella as I was tested when I was pregnant. Don't think I've had mumps, but don't think that's anything to worry about.
Both DC have had MMR.
DH isn't sure whether he as vaccinated against measles though...
I have no idea what I have got! I know I was one of the last people in the US to get whatever jab leaves a round white scar on the upper arm (small pox?).
In 2001 I enlisted in the US Navy and got all sorts of shots. They do not discuss them with you. You just get them. You have to march down a corridor. "Two steps forward... halt!" and then a medic on either side jabs you in each shoulder. This was repeated the length of the corridor and at the end you pulled down your pants and bent over a table and got something called "the peanut butter shot." (Gamma Gobulin) There are no words for that jab. It felt like there was a viscous golf ball in my buttock for the next two days, although when I'd feel with my hand, there wasn't anything there. It was weird.
I had a single measles vaccination as a child.
We had an local outbreak of measles recently and there was a local catch up campaign - but MMR was only offered to children, teenagers and young people 21 and under.
I had MMR after DS was born as my ruebella immunity was equivocal and I wanted more children. Jab done, no issues and my ruebella immunity was good when I was pg with DD.
Rubella? Can't spell at this time of night.
Gah, this has worried me! I have never had MMR jabs, nor any of the illnesses - should I get them done?
I was born 1977 but Wikipedia says I will have had the single measles jab, is that no good then? I'm in the outbreak area so panicky now! Dd2 gets her vaccination early on Thursday Mr get them to jab me now.
Katy the scar jab is bcg against tb. Onlylasts 10-15 years I just found out sadly.
I remember back around 1996? there was some imunisation campaign trying to get school aged children vaccinated for measles and rubella, as it was thought there was a danger of an epidemic (or something?). I was in 6th form then and I remember we were included in the numbers and given the jab. When I was pregnant I always came through as immune to rubella. I have also had measles as a child - I remember because it mucked up my eyes. So pretty sure I am safe?
I was born in 1982. Had the measles jab as a baby/toddler. Caught mumps aged 5. Had rubella jab aged 10 (when I was "childbearing age" ). Was meant to have measles booster at 15 but single vaccines had been withdrawn so got the mmr instead. I know I'm immune to rubella as I had it checked a couple of months ago when I had my pregnancy bloods. No idea about the others though.
I was born in 1975 and have had measles, german measles, mumps and chicken pox and have had the Rubella shot
I asked my mum tonight what I'd had and what I hadn't, she can't remember, though I have had 'nasty mumps', she thinks, though she's not sure.
Apart from anything else, make a note of your children's vaccines and illnesses!! It really will help when they're 38 and starting to fret.
I was born in 1980 and had a rubella jab when I was 12-ish. Take it that means I didn't have the MMR - anybody know please?
Too true aldi, currently undergoing tests for tb as the arm prick result is positive but this could be affected by an out of date vaccine. But can my mother remember if I had it or not? .....
No, so hello chest xrays, blood tests, spit tests, blood and arm tests for both dds very unhappy dds.
If I had a record this could all have been avoided. Make a record!
I'm with MaryMotherofCheeses? Why only after 1972? Are 40+ year olds expendable?
I was born in 1969 and was never vaccinated against measles or mumps, only rubella when I was 12/13. I've never had measles or mumps either so probably no immunity at all
for various reasons (international moves a few times) I have actually had the measles vaccination FOUR times.
No side effects, no sign of measles.
Ah, just seen on a LHA website that people born pre 1970 will "probably have been exposed to measles already", but to get the jab if unsure. I'm a home carer, so will ask my GP next week what they advise.
LackaDaisyCal No, it's not ageism - people born before 1972 will almost certainly have had measles as it was pre-jab and everyone caught it. So it's those of us born after '72 who may not have developed natural immunity but are too old to have had MMR.
I am not sure what I have had or not. Would the GP be able to tell me? how do they check?
I haven't had the jab and know approx 10 years ago was not immune as I was TRYING! to encourage about 6 thousand Health care workers born between 1970 and 86?? 86 or 84 my memory fails me to get the MMR
Basically there was a huge outbreak in the late 60's which meant most people born before 1970 have natural immunity, those of us after benefited from the herd immunity of those who had been exposed, there was a measles vaccine I believe at the time but not widely given.
I was the child of a nurse who believed in vaccination and i even had Small pox vac in 1978...
My brother had measles in about 75, I didn't get it and as I say I am not immune, the reason I know is I had a blood test so I could, if negative do a whole internal work media thing on getting the vaccine as I was having zero success in getting staff to have the vaccine as they all kept quoting bloody Wakefield! yes even NHS staff swallowed that line, doctors, nurses, physios the lot!
in the event after a year of plugging on with it I think we vaccinated about a 100 staff even when I ramped it up after 2 deaths of children, some how there deaths didn't count as one was special needs and "up north" and the other in our area a "traveler" my mind boggles, I have never been so frustrated, but I did understand one argument against having the MMR from a lot of the staff and that was the demographic I was pitching to where mainly professional women aged 33 down so all of childbearing age which meant the rubella element was a worry and all had, had it at school.
So my internal media thing, all lined up blood result had been photoed, I am also not immune to Mumps we found, so I thank my Crap GP in the mid 70's for giving me a diagnoses of that and the many weeks of school ..if only I didn't have a little brother who my mum forced me to be with 24/7 so he would get it!!!
So what happened? well dear reader I found out I was pregnant! by the time my mat leave was over the ball had been dropped and it had been replaced by SARs!
I also vaccinated my children with everything they even have had Hep B. when you know a little about epidemiology you will never go back.
I wouldn't have the MMR simply because my Rubella antibodies are still high titre, despite having had the rubella jab nearly 30 years ago. I don't know whether or not I've had a measles jab, probably as a child; but if someone insisted I had one now I would want just measles vax, not MMR.
I know my older brother and sister both had measles and mumps in the 60s, but this was before my other sister and I were born and according to my mum neither of us had either disease as children.
oh during my epic post Vizi posted, your GP should have notes from your childhood which include vaccinations, the only reason for my blood test was for demonstration purposes only, we where going to redo after to show my immunity by the same method and also due to me for some reason having all my notes from birth to 5 missing, we think due to a case of negligence by my GP during that time who managed to perforate my ear drum as mysteriously all notes after that are intact, my Mum thinks he just destroyed all my notes in order to say they had been lost....fear not he was struck off not long after... only about 15 years after!!! another story!
Most of us born pre 1970 were sent to PoxParties or measles parties etc.
even if you have been vaccinated for 1 element previously Thumbwitch it is not an issue, your body will recognise it, deal with it and move on this is the purpose of a vaccine and our own natural immunity, who knows how many times your body has been exposed to wild rubella and it has just dealt with it.
the only issue is pregnancy..rubella vaccine not recommended when pregnant, but I would heartily recommend it if you are in the process of thinking of starting a family after I met a couple of women who caught it wild in early pregnancy, one had a miscarriage (may or may not have been due to this) other had a son who was Deaf and other issues, you need to leave it 3 months from vaccine to trying for a baby.
I would like to add my post should be taken with a pinch of salt and anybody who is concerned should talk to their GP or Practice Nurse for current advice which is relevant to their situation.
I was born in 77 and asked mum the other day - I had the mmr and had mumps - quite relieved. I know people who have no clue if they had it.
Our local public health dept cascaded advice this week to give adults born after 1970 who ask for it a single MMR jab. Those born between 1970-1979 are most at risk.
I was allergic to eggs as a child so could not be vaccinated (I am in that high risk age group) but I had measles and probably rubella. The danger is that you could have had something similar to one of these illnesses, not the real deal. As a health care professional I have been tested and vaccinated as an adult. I could not work without immunity.
FYI the MMR was introduced to the UK in 1988
I was not born in this country so GP would not have info if I have had any jabs. I do have a mark on my arm but don't know what it's for. Would a blood test show if I have had it? Probably a silly question but totally clueless on this.
vivizone the mark on your arm could be smallpox.
I had the MMR 3 times between the ages of 14 and 20. my parents moved us a lot and were terrible about keeping shot records. Unless you opt out, you must be vaccinated to attend school in the US.
I was born in 86 and my doctors had it recorded that I only had one mmr jab.
I had a blood test when I went to see them about having my implant out and it turned out I wasn't immune to one of the diseases (rubella I think) so I had to have the mmr again, then wait 3 months for my immunity to build up before I could start ttc.
I have no idea if I had the mmr (both parents dead) born in 81. I'm pretty sure I had German measles as a child, seem to remember that, I was also immune for the rubella essays when pg x 3.
If there was an outbreak in this area I would certainly take the mmr if offered, just taken ds2 for his boosters on Tuesday. Couldn't fancy measles or mumps, for ds1 hand foot and mouth was bad enough.
I do remember going for a shot aged about 3-5, maybe that was the measles thing, god knows.
Never had proper horrible measles though, german variety was fine (rubella) just a rash as far as I can remember.
What happened before 1972????
Single measles jab, no jab for mumps and rubella for teenage girls.
The single jab leaves a scar, small white circle, usually on top of left arm, but then BCG can leave a similar scar. I have two, one from each.
but if someone insisted I had one now I would want just measles vax, not MMR.
I wasn't vaccinated but have been tested and am immune, am checking up on the DC's and will try and persuade them to have it if they're not up to date. Uni must be a prime breeding ground for measles.
Didn't have it as a child as was allergic to eggs. I did get mumps. Got myself MMR last year as there was a measles case at DDs nursery and I wasn't allowed inside the building to pick her up! Took 2 minutes, no ill effects. Doc added a rant about anti-vaccinators while she was doing it - would have been entertaining except she was genuinely angry.
Born in 1981. Had a rubella jab at school and had measles disease when little, but no MMR until 2005ish, when there was a mumps outbreak at uni and they vaccinated the whole university.
I was born in 71 and had one measles jab in 1972, and I'm having an MMR jab today because we're moving to the NW. The NHS website has info about this and radio 4s woman's hour or you and yours covered it last week.
" Got myself MMR last year as there was a measles case at DDs nursery and I wasn't allowed inside the building to pick her up!"
My, my I've never heard of anyone going that far before!
Weissbier, did the nursery go around questioning each and every parent/carer/grandparent/whoever might pick the children up? Do they refuse to take children whose parents don't provide proof of vaccination? [nosy and surprised!]
I was born in 72 didnt have a injection at primary like everyone esle cant remmber why but joined the forces and got jabbed with a load of neddles one week does any one know what those were for remmber one was the circle one
I was born in 84 had an MMR at primary school and a booster when I was about 18
Born in 1975. Had mumps and measles as a child. Wasn't "allowed" whooping cough vaccine by my mum since my gran knew of someone who had polio after the whooping cough vaccine. Was re-vaccinated as a adult as didn't retain immunity. Had rubella vaccine age 13.
I don't remember there even being a measles vaccine - we had measles and chickenpox parties where we had to play with the infected child until we caught it
Child of late 60s - had Measles vaccine as a baby/toddler, Rubella vaccine at 13 and caught Mumps aged 4/5
I am foreign so Heaven knows what applies; think I had single measles as a small baby & that was deemed inadequate so I had to have measles again as a young adult (to register for Uni classes). I should be immune now.
English DH was born in 1974, I will look into his choices.
I was one of the last people in the US to get whatever jab leaves a round white scar on the upper arm (small pox?).
I think that one is TB (I have same scar, anyway, and I remember vividly how painful the ruddy jab was!) I remember confusing "turburculosis" with "television" and I spent ages trying to work out how watching TV could make you very sick.
I am very impressed how much all of you know about your own vax history. I am sure DH (& his mum) are clueless. I am only fuzzy on most of mine.
I didn't have measles or MMR jabs as a child, but had the measles jab as a teenager (think it was the single but not sure) at school during the measles outbreak in the 90s, and had MMR at uni because of the mumps outbreak.
Was offered MMR when I needed a bunch of jabs for travel, but declined as was about to TTC and didn't want to wait 3 months. Would have accepted though if I wasn't sure I'd had the 2 measles jabs already. I normally take all vaccinations offered to me!
TSO we're in Germany...the dept of health came down...yes we were all questioned! DH could go in as he'd had measles but not me!
vaccination is not compulsory here - private nurseries can and do demand it but not state-run ones.
I was born many years before a measles vaccine so unfortunately I had it as a child, and German measles. I haven't had mumps though.
I have crap eyesight and hearing problems and this may have been because I had measles.
I've had it 3 times already - had the first vacc as a toddler, a booster before starting primary school and then yet another booster at age 14 or so.
I live in the outbreak area. My children both had their MMR as babies - I am too old to have had the single measles but have booked to have MMR done asap as I'm often in contact with very vunerable children at a special school - this outbreak needs to be stop.
The small pox immunisation leaves a scrape sort of scar. But it's unlikely a UK resident born after mid-60s would have had one.
I'm a child of the 60s, and had measles as the disease and rubella as a jab (immunity OK during every pg). No idea about mumps status though as I haven't had either symptomatic illness or immunity tested.
The single measles jab in use from 1968 should be OK (according to CDC in US) as that was a live attenuated strain which produces enduring immunity. There was a previous vaccine there (according to their webpage) which was a killed virus the immunity from which does wear off and they recommend those vaccinated pre-1968 are redone.
The uptake rates in the early years of the jab rolling out were well below the levels for herd immunity, and vax records may well be lost, so there is probably a large pool of those who missed the last widespread sets of outbreaks (up to early 70s) and that may be why they are informing that group they may not be immune.
I was born in 1983 and had the first jab in school when I was about 12 or 13. When I was in university, there was a whole campaign for the "children" who didn't get their second jab to have it done. It must have been 2003/2004? They offered all students in my year the jab and had the main lecture theatre filled with about 20 nurses giving the jab. I didn't get it done because I was scared (needle phobia). Anyway, I've been pregnant 3 times since then and my booking in bloods always come back with "measles antibodies detected", so I assume I'm safe? I always remember to get this vaccination done when I'm pregnant, then it's too late.
I had it when we registered with a new doctor eight years ago - on the premise that yes I might like to have children one day, so it could be useful prevention against rubella (don't know if there was a particular concern about that at the time).
I had measles when I was three (in '79) and it left mum with quite traumatic memories.
DH has just had it for travelling to South Wales (born '75), so I think we're all now covered.
I was born in 77 and I had measles, mumps and rubella as a child, don't know what vacs I had as a child if any, but my mum would have taken me for any that were on offer.
As a child I had all the usual illnesses measles, mumps, rubella (we called it German measles?) chicken pox, rubella was the one everyone wanted as it didn't make us ill and you got to be off school a girl from school who lived at the end of the school field was off with it and playing in her garden so we were all talking to her over the fence to try and catch it!
The only illness I didn't have was whooping cough, and when we were on holiday one year a little girl on the beach was coughing and my mum said stay away from her, that sounds like whooping cough!!
I had rubella jab when I was 12, tb jab when I was 14 and tetanus/polio when I was 16. Had one if the hep jabs when I went to morocco but didn't get the booster after as no need.
My oh can't remember what he had as a child and he was born in 74 so probably should check, my boys have had all their vacs and they have both had chicken pox.
We are not in an outbreak area but with travel these things easily spread, so glad that we are covered.
I was born in 1979, but I had a pretty bad case of measles when I was a baby: the doctor told my parents there'd be no need to vaccinate me against it as I had had such a hefty dose of the actual disease. I caught mumps when I was about 6, and then had all the rubella jabs at school.
We are close to the outbreak area, though, and I know some adult friends have now had the MMR. Will have to check with DH if he has had it or not.
Damn, scars for TB & smallpox vaccines look pretty much the same.
My mother used to insist that I had had the jab for chickenpox and the actual illness of smallpox. She refused to be corrected .
Had a mild bout of CP as an adult, anyway.
ha..I'm too old..born 1964, and had measles in 1971...so no jab for me..
Born in 1976. I've had measles as a child and the rubella vax at school, no idea about mumps, will have to ask parents. DH has had measles and mumps.
The 2 older Dc's are fully vaxed but DD2 has only just had her first MMR (last month), have there been any indications that they are bringing the booster shots forward does anyone know? I can't see anything atm but may have missed something.
I had Rubella jab.
I had measles when I was 3yo-over my dsis birthday party. She loved me!!!
I had mumps shortly after that.
As an aside, I think you can catch mumps on one side only, and then catch it again another time on the other. At least that was what I was told by dm, as she watched very carefully to make sure I had it on both sides.
Born in 1970, had measles vax as a baby, had mumps, had German measles when I was 8, then rubella vax at 13, so that's me covered!
I think I fall in to an inbetween category because I was born mid 1970, I wasn't vaccinated as there was some kind of scandal about the vaccine when I was the right age for vaccination (around '71-'72) according to my mum, but I obviously wasn't around for the measles outbreak in the late 60s so I'm not sure if I'm immune. I know I tested immute for Rubella when I was pg, I've had mumps and I've not only had german measles I was vaccinated at 13.
But I'm not sure about measles... dd had her 2nd mmr yesterday. Perhaps I should just have the single measles jab or do they recommend having mmr even if you don't need the other M or the R?
They won't give single measles jab just MMR.
The point is if you didn't have 2 doses of measles jab or 2 doses mmr or confirmed case measles you may not be immune.
Most people who had measles jab as child only had one dose..... Most people born before 1970 would have had measles as there was an epidemic every couple of years. Vaccination introduced 1970.
Hmm, perhaps I should ask my GP because I'm sure I haven't been vaccinated.
Born in 1970, had measles jab as child, and single polio vaccine on sugar lump. Also had polio booster without sugar lump - not recommended. Rubella given as a teenager, though I suspect I was exposed to the virus as a child because the immunity hasn't worn off 30 years later.
I had extremely mild chicken pox, think I had 2 or 3 spots. Desperately tried to catch mumps. I have natural immunity to TB which means that I was exposed to the virus as a child and had assymptomatic TB.
I desperately tried to get DD to catch chicken pox whilst she was still being breastfed, but I suspect she has the same immune system as me as she stubbornly refused to catch it, despite being exposed to it several times at several stages of infection.
This is interesting.... I was born in 1969 so not sure if I was vaccinated? Unfortunately my mum died when I was a child so I can't ask her about jabs/childhood illnesses. My Dad's still around but he's a bit useless with things like this. I vaguely remember that my brother had mumps when he was a child (he was born 1966 so presumably not vaccinated??). I had chickenpox when I was 30 - horrendous.
Do you reckon that my current doctor would have a record of all my immunisations? All my 4 DC have had the MMR so hopefully they're protected.
cherry your current doctor should still have your paper records on file, part of my job as a receptionist was to file paperwork and tidy new files into some semblance of order, some did have the vax records from childhood, some didn't. If the records were there it should have been entered onto the computer system.
I had measles and mumps in 1983. Then in 1990 had the rubella jag at school after being found immunie. In 1995 I had my MMR when they did mass immunisation for my last year at school and as I was going to work with children and decided to be safer and got the HEP B too.
I was born pre 1972 (vintage !) as were my sibs but am fairly sure we didn't all have all of these illnesses as children. Trouble is I think my Mum has forgotten which of us had which one, and which of us have had measles. Maybe I could have it when my DC's have their "catch-up" one - I'll see what the nurse suggests.
I was born in 1980, my mum says that Ihad 1 measles jag as a baby - am I at risk?
I keep meaning to ask my mum what vaccs I had - I was born in 1974 and remember having mumps and whooping cough (the diseases) but not measles. I had the rubella and BCG jabs at secondary school.
My mum said I had single vaccine in 85. But still got measles aged 3. I kindly gave it my dad and put him in hospital. I dont see why i beed it but There's no outbreak where I am.
DD was born in 1993, and according to her red book, she only had one lot of MMR (as that was all that was offered at that point). Presumably she should be checking with her GP if she needs another one (student, not a million miles away from Wales)?
I am so old that I had both mumps and measles as a child. Measles is horrid and mumps wasn't exactly a joy either! Beware!
I was one of the last people in the UK to get the smallpox vaccine (born 1970) - my mum was quite forceful with the GP about vaccination, and if it was available, I had it . Don't have a scar though, as he did it in the crease of my armpit at the back. Also managed not to scar from the BCG either.
I lived in Canada as a small child and had the MMR.
Nope I've had all three illnesses already.
I was born in 1972, but was never vaccinated. I suffered from regular bouts of Tonsillitis as a child, and according to my Mum I was always ill when she got called for the vax appointment, and then as I got older they stopped calling me for the jab. I never caught it (don't remember any of my friends having it either), so I'm definitely still at risk.
I will have the MMR if offered, despite having had Rubella (and the corrresponding vax at around 11 years old) and Mumps. My father is partially deaf as a result of Measles in childhood, so I live with a reminder of the fact that it is not "just another mild illness".
I've had measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox.
The joy of being a child in the early 60s.
I was born 1986 and had some form of measles jab in primary school(not sure if single or mmr) but when I had DS a few years ago they gave me the mmr after the birth...don't know why I had to have it them was too tired to care tbh
my smallpox vax scar is about the size of a (new) 5p and at the top of my arm, my bcg scar is a pathetic little dot further down the arm. When I think how dc's cried at the tiny jabs they've had (mmr included) I wonder what sort of fuss I would have made as a baby over the smallpox one.
& back on thread..I had measles as a child but if I wasn't immune would consider having the jab. Because people like me had the smallpox vax, you guys don't have to.
I had the smallpox jab every three years as a forces child, and the BCG.
No scarring or marks of any sort.
Had the smallpox jab too and I think typhoid? And later hep A? But I was born in London in 63 so not sure of I had the measles vac. Fortunately I still have my vaccination record from nearly 50 years ago!
I would have been in the cohort that had one rather than two measles jabs so might not be immune. No outbreak in my town yet, thankfully, as I have a three month old who is too young for the MMR. If there were cases near me, I'd consider having it to ensure my immunity and stop me getting it and passing it to DD but I'm breastfeeding and was just reading something about rubella and breast milk so would need to do more research to be confident about having it.
every 3 yrs? you must be very immune
Well the army reserved the right to post dad with a minimum of a fortnight's notice, so all our jabs were kept up to date. Good thing Yellow Fever lasted for 10 years.
I was too young to remember the smallpox vaccine but it was described to me as a set of scratches on the skin which is why it scarred so badly.
Yes, it was a scratch each time, but perhaps army doctors had more practise?
how about this..
Recent studies suggest the smallpox vaccine provides some level of defense against HIV. Both the smallpox vaccine and HIV exploit a receptor called CCR5, which is expressed on the surface of white blood cells. Researchers theorize that one factor in the sudden spread of HIV in the early 1980s was the result of eradication of smallpox in the late 1970s, and the subsequent and abrupt decline in smallpox vaccinations worldwide. The smallpox vaccine appeared to cut HIV replication five-fold.[28 ] and now I will stop derailing the thread..
OK, I was born in 1970 (another dinosaur) and have just dug out my 'immunisation and weight record card' which my mother was given by her health visitor or midwife or local nurse or whoever.
This is the schedule of immunisations a child would have been expected to receive in 1970:
5-6 months: Diptheria/Tetanus/Pertussis (whooping cough). Oral polio
7-8 months: repeat of above
12-14 months: repeat of above
18 months: Measles
22 months: Smallpox
School entry: Dip/Tet oral polio
Over 12 years: BCG vaccination (that's the TB one isn't it?)
Now although my mum did get me immunised against everything that was recommended, it could easily be the case that the recommendations were changed between when this card was printed and when I was actually due to have them. For instance there's no mention of Rubella, but I know that all girls had them in school at around 13 (1983 or so). And was Smallpox really still being given in 1972?
So according to this schedule, I had a single Measles vac but no booster. There was a major Measles/Mumps/German Measles outbreak in South Wales (where I grew up) in the late 1970s and most kids caught one or the other - I was one of the few who didn't appear to go down with any of them. At the time I thought it must have been because I was immune after the vacs, now looking at this card it's clear that it was more a matter of luck, since I had no mumps or rubella protection at the time.
No, I won't be having it. When ds2 was 10mo he was diagnosed with measles. we did the swabs and one came back positive, the others not.
So either he had it or else I did - they said it was inconclusive and could be just maternal antibodies.
I was dx with it twice, when I was 9 and 10 - don't know if either was the real thing. But either he's had it or I have! And that means if he did have it, I must be immune (because I didn't catch it from him) and if it was antibodies then they were mine.
ds1 had the MMR
ds3 is too little (3mo)
1973 btw - sister had vacc, 1971, but I didn't
I was born in 1975, and have never had measles. If my doctor writes to me about this, then I'll arrange to have the jab. If not, then I won't worry about it.
I have spoken to my HV about this, She said if you are unsure whether you have had it. GET it anyway, it wont cause you any harm to have it again. I live in the outbreak area. DS (2) had his early last weekend. I also got my 11 yr old done again and will be having mine done on Saturday (couldnt do it last week as Id been poorly)
It needs to stop. a little boy was sent home from my sons class this week with suspected measles. I dont think people realise how fast it spreads! xx
I have had 2 measles jabs, the single rubella and a nasty case of mumps
I just called my GP - they are going to check my notes to see if I had the vaccine, I was born in 1974 and definitely not had measles
I was born in the late 60s, so i do't qualify for a measles vaccine because people my age are assumed to be immune. I do remember the family across the road had it when I was about 6 but that's all.
Either it was all around me and I never noticed because its not all that bad really or people my age (mid-40s) aren't immune at all...??
When I went to study in the US in 2000 they insisted that, as I was from Britain, that I needed to have an additional MMR as our vaccination programme (1 jab) didn't meet their standards. I couldn't enrol in university without it.
I asked for a blood test instead and my antibodies came back okay so didn't need the jag.
The chances are you have fine protection as I do, the extra jag is to catch the xx% (small) that don't get the full immunity from one jag.
I was born in '74.
So rather than have the jag, if you are concerned and have an understanding GP you could ask them to check your immunity.
I work in a high school in a part of a country with historically low uptake, so I'm going to check my records - yes OP I think if you are susceptible it might be an idea
I was born in 76 and think I had measles as I'm sure most people did.
had rubella jab at 11 and tb jab at 12.
my mum refused to get me whooping cough jab as it was controversial and she also tried to persuade me to not give my kids the mmr
I was born in 1970 but had mmr as part of the initial roll-out in secondary schools in 1993, when I started teaching.
Born in 81, had measles as a baby, had mumps at primary school and was vaccinated single jab against measles I think (even though I'd had it ), rubella jab at secondary school, booster rubella jab, then 2 x doses of MMR.
I am probably over jabbed
Ds had MMR late and has had both doses. Dd will have MMR too
I am having it tomorrow as DH and I only discovered this week that neither of us were vaccinated for measles as babies (both born in 70s) as our mums were both advised against it due to family medical history. We have an 11mo so are quite concerned that we have been putting her at risk for the last year and particularly now with these outbreaks.
I had the mumps when I was 3 and had my rubella jab when I was 12 or 13 so it's only measles I'm not protected against.
I had measles, rubella, mumps and chickenpox as a child. I was at secondary school in 71-72 when the rubella jab was introduced and we all had it - except for one girl who was insistent she didn't need it as her mother was a doctor and her dm had diagnosed it. Presumably her dm took offence at her diagnostic skills being questioned.
Was a bit about this - our house was full of red cross and st john's ambulance manuals full of pictures of the spread of rashes and symptoms, but was always taken to the gp for diagnosis even with my great-aunt's/dm's combined wisdom. Both had volunteered at first aid posts during the war.
I also had a smallpox jab done in 64 - this was a condition of being granted a visa for the US at the time.
Dd's vaccine is in the fridge as we speak - although whether she will agree to go to the dr's tomorrow morning is another matter.
Suppose, having had a mis-spent youth in a microbiology lab, I could always add the solvent solution, shake it, suck it up in the other syringe, and go and jab her in the arse through her smelly jogging bottoms while she sleeps (in her clothes - all her friends do, apparently).
I was born in 1973 - have had german measles (rubella) and mumps - the actual thing, not the vaccination.
I wouldn't want to have the MMR and duplicate resistance to diseases/illnesses that I've already had.
Measles is not available on the NHS on its own.
I believe that immunity from vaccinations lasts, at the maximum, about 30 years - so, if vaccinated as a child, I probably am no longer immune to measles.
My mum does not know if I had measles injection or not.
I've had German measles and mumps too.
1973 - no idea if I ever got any jabs but I remember having measles and mumps as a child, and as I am pregnant now had to be rubella tested and am showing as immune so I guess I'm covered
Born in 1973, don't know if I had the measles vax or not, I know I haven't had the disease. Will GPs hold this information in our records? I suppose I assumed they only had recent stuff, does it get passed on when you change GPs?
I have been vaccinated against Smallpox though, I have the certificate for that!
I'm guessing my dh could have the mmr (he's been talking about it) as he's not had any of the jabs or illnesses '75
Does it mean I can't and so will be at risk because I've had mumps as a child (remember my db taking the piss out of my fat face) and the rubella jab at school as a teen '81
So can you have the mmr if you've ha any of them already? And if not do they offer singles to people like me?
Born 1977, no jab, no measles. I have just called the docs to ask if I can have it. The receptionist didn't know, so is getting someone to call me back....
I had rubella inncoulation in 1982 when I was 14.
By the time I was PG with DD2, at age 43, I had no immunity.
NHS response wasn't to tell be so I could avoid potential risks, but simply to immunise me against rubella after the birth of DD2
I've had measles as a child but I'm not sure if that means I'm really immune still, it was
tries to work out numbers, hang on a minute 36/7 years ago. I'm more concerned about TB as I read that the vaccine wears off after something 15 years. Here in Chile they do the BCG twice, once in childhood and again in late teens.
Actualy, I need to dig out my vaccination card as I don't rememeber what I had to move here just remember DDs having BCG as toddlers for the move.
Does immunity last from the actial disease? I had measles as a child. A blood test done in 2000 (For US immigration as GP records were incomplete) showed I was immune to everything. But that was 13 years ago and its now nearly 40 years since I had the disease.
What do you reckon?
Also had the rubella vaccination in school, so early teens, just remembered.
That's what I'm not sure about infamous I remember having measles, but don't know if the antibodies from that wear off.
I was born early 60's() & my paper records were destroyed(arson at GP's) when I was a teenager, so records cannot be checked.
Now, most advice is you're almost certainly going to be immune to measles if born before 1970-but I can't accept the almost part. My GP is understanding, thankfully & so I've just had a blood test to see if I've got immunity(I have to visit family in the outbreak area of South Wales soon-no getting away from it)
If I'm not immune, I will have the MMR jab (I've had the disease of mumps (3 times apparently-once either side and once both sides at the same time)Also I've had Rubella.
Infamous -I'm pretty sure that immunity from the actual disease of measles is lifelong, but I'm not an epidemiologist so best to check with your local GP surgery/nurse.
I have had rubella, measles (twice), and mumps (both sides) and have no worries about my immunity.
Apparently people born before 1957 are among the most protected group because of multiple exposure to measles back in the day before a vaccine had been developed.
I had measles 44 years ago and it almost killed me.
I a hoping that means I am immune.
Born 1980. I caught measles about aged 8, had the single rubella jab aged 12 and then given a single MMR jab aged 15. I don't remember having more than one jab for MMR. I think it must have been new as they started giving it to children much younger in the school after that instead of the rubella one.
There's also kids that didnt have this new schedule of 2 or 3 doses. When my adult children were little it was one dose of MMR. About 2 years after they started school I think the pre-school booster thingy was brought in. So are my kids at university (which is a hotbed of germs n beer) still immune? One reacted very badly to the jab so he doesnt want a vax during his finals but asked if he could have a blood test - many of his course mates are from south Wales.
The GP's seem as lost as we are when I asked
I do recall having the rubella jab at 15. The doctor had to chase me round the room
I've had measles and rubella and been exposed to mumps many times. So no. But adult men should consider mumps vaccine.
I was born in 1976 and had mumps as a child and the rubella vaccine at 12/13. I have just been tested as pregnant and still have antibodies for rubella.
If I lived in a measles area I think I would ask to be vaccinated, but I am in Scotland where mmr rates did not drop nearly as much as elsewhere so an outbreak here is very unlikely as there is probably 'herd immunity' - enough people immunised to stop an outbreak.
I have no idea if I'm immune to measles or mumps. I had a test for rubella when I was pregnant first time round and was immune but think that's as I was vaccinated at high school?
I wish my mum and dad or GP could tell me! No one seems to know! Now pregnant again and worried that I might not be immune to measles given the latest outbreak.
I know I had the single measles vaccination, born 1980, my mum told me, I knew I had Reuben's when I was 10/11, definitely last year of primary, never had mumps though. Had bcg in high school and various other jabs for foreign travel.
My gp is calling tomorrow because ds2 has not had his MMR booster yet, he's 2.4, and we're I'm greater manchester where there have been nigh in 200 cases reported this year. I, also going to ask if dh could get an MMR shot because he doesn't know if he's had one done. I'm going to ask about whether it's worth me getting another one. Better safe than sorry. I'm also at uni so that's prime breeding ground. Lots of kids who probably haven't been vaccinated.
Infamous-your nurse at GPs might know more about blood test for immunity-there definitely is one available-whether they're prepared to let you have one is another matter. You can pay about £30-40 to have one done privately(just google for a local private clinic)
Thanks for the replyWeissbier and sorry for not acknowledging it earlier.
I was born in 1976.
I had the double dose of rubella, and I contracted measles as a toddler.
my sister had mumps, but i don't know if that makes me immune (because i didn't catch it) or if it doesn't matter.
I think they worry more about measles, though.
Turns out dh has had no vaccinations because his sister was poorly after her measles vaccination.
I'm right in thinking its a different strain they use now isn't it? He also had all the usual travel injections I did when we went to Sri Lanka with no ill effects. I shall ask the GP for advice tomorrow anyway.
I was born in the US before 1972 and had MMR at least twice.
DH was born in 1977. He had measles, but never mumps or rubella or the vaccine. This was only caught out when our daughter was undergoing chemotherapy.
thanks toldmywrath. Umm, what is a 'private clinic'. What do I look for?
I was born before 1957. I had the diptheria and Polio jab as a baby.
Did not have the Small Pox jab but younger sis did.
Got German measles a few times, but mum thinks it must have been a mild form of measles once as all other kids got it. Don't remember whooping cough or Chicken Pox.
DD born mid 60s had Diptheria, Polio and Whooping Cough jab.
Got Measles at 4 and chicken Pox at 6.
I had a BCG test as a scrape on the back at 6 and again at 14 with the flaming needles in the wrist and was immune both times.
DD was not immune
Had Mumps at 16, but no other family member caught it from me.
Has anyone had MMR and had side effects as an adult?
I am due to have one tomorow, I am going away and v worried about my small baby.
I was told I had one jab and that I can have MMR>
Born 1976. Had the measles jab and caught measles, had mumps and had the rubella jab at school. Hopefully you can't get measles twice because i remember it being absolutely awful...
i had measles mumps and rubella so have natural immunity.
Fabulous! I was born in 1971 and never had the MMR, so if I had been born the following year I would be "at risk", if I was born the previous year I would be ok, what about 1971?
And, no, I won't be having it now
yes, they should and women planning a pregnancy should be given a blood test to confirm whether they are immune or not, then get vaxed before TTC
(I've just posted this on another thread, but I think it is worth repeating)
Last year when I was 7 months pg with DD I worked briefly with some children at DS4's school and one of the children was confirmed being ill with measles, another suspected.
the time line we worked out meant that I was borderline in danger of having caught it - my mum was adamant I was vaxed as a kid, but blood test showed otherwise!
perhaps it didn't take and she later remembered I may have missed out because I was very ill at the time I should have had it.
we checked it online and when I was 2yrs the policy changed, so it never got done, as it wasn't compulsory anymore! (this was mid-seventies in Hungary).
so yes, bad luck and less info at the time (my mum felt terrible guilyy as well as worried).
if I had know, I would have gotten vaccinated before getting pg with eldest, but there are no routine tests for this!
measles in pg women can cause a late miscarriage or still birth, so I was terrified of loosing my DD and was furious at the thought that if that kid wasn't vaxed by choice I could potentially lose her due to something that could have been so easily avoided!
Thank God I didn't catch it, so all was fine, but those two weeks were just horrendous, I don't wish that on anyone!
I've today had a letter from Occ Health saying I have to have MMR! I am 49 and it says that they can't tell whether I have enough immunity from a recent bloodtest. I was born well before 1972 so I guess they're after us oldies now too! I didn't give my children the triple dose as I thought it was too much for their little systems. We did however pay through the nose for separate vaccinations - feels like its coming back to haunt me!
My mum can't remember helpfully. I have had mumps though so obviously didn't have MMR and I had Rubella jab in high school.
Don't know about measles though, I remember having the polio one on a sugarlump when I was in infant school.
"I've today had a letter from Occ Health saying I have to have MMR!"
KittyB01, what sort of job do you do?
Dh has just taken dd to the docs(unrelated) and he asked.
We'll both have the full mmr even though I've had mumps and the rubella jab. If we go with Ds3 for his preschool we can make an outing of it
I was born in 1988
My mum can't remember if I had the MMR
How would I find out?
Sorry but my DS isn't vaccinated through choice. His reception teacher and year 1 teacher have both been pregnant whilst he was in their class. He has never had measles but if he did have measles either of those years and I found out his teacher was "furious at the thought that if that kid wasn't vaxed by choice they could potentially lose their baby due to something that could have been so easily avoided!" Yeah they could have checked if they were immune before getting pregnant and had the vaccine if not.
I don't allow my children to have the MMR, and I don't want it myself. Don't really give a flying toss what the government thinks. I had the rubella jab afer having DD inhospital (NHS) because i had low immunity. If I was offered a measels only jab I'd probably take it. But I won't be.
If the government wants people who don't want the MMR to be immunised against meals they should offer ameasles jab. And if they don't, then they have only themselves to blam for removing the choice.
I was born in 1961. Nearly died of measles when I was around 6. Had rubella in my early teens and was then vaccinated against it, along with everyone else at school. Never had mumps.
My eight year old has had the MMR vaccine.
Had measles when a student and mumps and a flu type virus all at tg thee same time. Was extremely ill on powerful meds and my gp visited every day for a week often bringing food etc.
My dc's were both given mmr course because my gp informed me in no uncertain terms that he visited to check I didn't need hospitalised. He explained very clearly after I was better just how ill I had been. Terrifying.
I had measles vaccine as a child in 1980. I am guessing that means I am not immune anymore. My DC has had 3 MMRs as we are in a high risk area (well we were when she was born) so is hopefully immune. I am not sure if I would have the MMR. I have Rubella immunity and had mumps as a child. Tricky one. I had to have a load of vaccines recently before going to Asia and it was bloody awful!
My DS1 was born in 1988 and I don't think there were any issues with MMR. He just had it.
DS2 was born in 1991 and had the first one and then I heard about the autism thing. Being a cautious person I went to an appointment with my GP and phoned another GP for advice. Plus read anything I could. I decided to wait an extra year, until he'd been at school for a few months (he started in Sept 1995) so I could try suing someone if he became autistic, and then had it done. (in my defence I am a lawyer's daughter).
Well, having read this I contacted GP today as I work in a secondary school and according to my notes (why does my mum still have these I've just wondered?) I had single jab only. I was told that it wasn't being offered to my age group and if I was worried I'd have to book myself in to a private clinic and pay for it.
So no, I won't be having it atm.
I was born in 1978 but I had the MMR because I was born in Mexico and it was standard practice there. If I hadn't had it, I'd be having it ASAP.
I have had the mmr in my early twenties. it was a condition for working in childcare in the us.
should kerp me covered <hopeful>
There is a good summary here from the Green Book - the NHS vaccines bible.
If you were born in the UK after 1970 and had all your childhood vaccinations, you will have been immunised against measles. If in any doubt, you can have the MMR. There is no problem having the MMR even if you have previously been immunised against measles & rubella.
I've just e-mailed my doctors to see what they say. I was born in 1978 and have all? most? of my vax cards but I don't have one for Measles, just Rubella.
I was born in 1973.
I have absolutely no idea what vaccinations I had as a child. I remember the rubella jab at school as a teen and that is it. No memory of any others.
I had mumps as a child so assume not MMR. However have no scar on arm from any other jabs as some people seem to.
I was born in 1983 and had the rubella vaccine and a single for measles. I was vaccinated during the early 90s outbreak.
I was born in the 1970's.
I had no vaccinations until I was 11 (Rubella).
I had Mumps at 10 (grim).
I have not had measles yet.
I asked about MMR a few years ago and Doc would've been happy to administer but we were about to ttc so told to come back after baby born and I think finished breastfeeding.
Still haven't got round to it.
Hula the scar on the arm is from BCG (the TB vaccine), nothing to do with measles/MMR. Provided you had all your childhood vaccines, you will have been immunised against measles as a small child (single vaccine, not the one that is used now) and against rubella aged 11.
TBH, apart from those whose parents were antivaccine or who grew up outside the UK, I wouldn't worry too much if you were born in the 1970s: you are likely immune. It's people who have only had one MMR vaccine who are at more risk.
I was born in 68 and had measles jab.Don't remember anyone ever having measles or mumps.
I've had it (born 78).
Reason I have is that there's quite an age gap between me and my brother, and so he was hitting jab-age when MMR came out... so my mother decided to whip me in and have me done as well at the same time (I must have been just before secondary school age).
I didn't have any jabs (b1970), but I did contract all 3 of the MMR & was very unwell with them all.
Off topic slightly, but did anyone hear Vanessa Feltz's show today about the MMR? It was very interesting, well worth listening to on Internet.
No as I've had all three diseases. Am just wondering about Dh though - hes 35 and hasn't had measles afaik
Just to add: I have now contacted my gp. She agreed with occupational health people and thought it wise to have mmr if only had one vaccination (unless of course you had measles)... Booked in for next week....
These people who are being told to get it - where are you from!
Also some people are saying they go measles twice!
Born '63 and had Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Chickenpox as a child. Then had the BCG and rubella jab as a teenager. Both DCs had the MMR and booster though DS was born in 1998 when the MMR furore was at its peak so it was a difficult decision at the time.
DH, however,doesn't know whether he's had measles. Despite being born in the 50s, he didn't have mumps until his late teens or chickenpox until he was 42 (he was really, really, <really ill>). I suspect his mother wrapped him in cotton wool.
We are in the Swansea area and (like a poster above) his GP's records were destroyed in an arson attack so no way of finding out. I rang his GP and they say he can have the MMR if he wants it so he's booked an appointment. Chances are he is immune but better safe than sorry.
Born in 1973, I've not had the mmr or measles vaccine, I did get the illness when I was 10. Like most other women my age, I had the rubella vaccine at 12 and am still immune. I have also had mumps, was about 3 at the time.
My DS (6) has had the mmr, DD (15 weeks) is my concern. We're not too far from Salford, where there have been confirmed outbreaks.
My children have had MMR but GP is refusing booster, trying to discover what the booster guidelines are?
I didn't have the measles vaccine as a child due to egg allergy but may have had measles so I would like to get the MMR. I assume it's okay to have it if you're breastfeeding?
I'm a little concerned about my DS3 who's five months old. Is there any likelihood of him getting immunised early given the current outbreak?
When pregnant, I found out I was no longer immune to rubella. Do I need to have a new MMR?
This has made me wonder about the BCG.
Why did it leave a scar? Did it destroy skin cells? And as it left a scar, why didn't they put it somewhere less obtrusive?
I don't know why the BCG left a scar but I think it was convention that it was on the left arm where it could be easily seen so doctors could recognize that patients had had it.
This pregnancy revealed my rubella immunity is low, so am having mmr after I have given birth. When I went for the whooping cough jab last week, nurse looked on the records and it appears I never had the second round of mmr with my other pre school boosters. Had it at 12 months old but apparently my Mum didn't allow or maybe they didn't give it me. Suppose it explains the pretty much non existent immunity to rubella. Can't even phone her and ask as we are estranged and not speaking.
I had the first dose yesterday due to travelling. Was born 1989 and didn't have it when I should have.
I feel rough as fuck today.
I had MMR when I was young. When I told my GP last year that I was trying for a baby, she tested for rubella and said I was immune. Two months ago, I was told that I am no longer immune, and I am now 35 weeks pregnant.
I am so relieved that it's not rubella going round right now, as I can't be inoculated until after the baby is born. Not a nice situation to be in anyway.
Hungryclocks you will be given the inoculation (at least for rubella as this is the only one I know about) very soon after your child is born.
Born in '74 and vaxed against measles (tough choice for my mother as I had a history of allergy and bronchitis, apparently, and she was told it could be problematic??? But I was fine). I've had mumps, got vaxed against rubella.
DH never had any vaccinations. I discovered this when MIL started insisting I shouldn't vax DS because it was poison, based on the 1970s whooping cough vaccine controversy which she still insists proved all vaccines are dangerous. (She also spends a lot of time writing to her MP about fluoride in the water). DH went straight to the GP and had his first MMR when he found this out. He got the booster at the same time DS did. He felt a bit flu-like and sorry for himself with the first, nothing with the second. Not really a big deal at all. Very relieved we're all likely to be immune.
I caught whooping cough 18 months ago in that epidemic. It was horrible, really bad - I've never been so grateful DS was vaccinated, as unlike most childhood illnesses it's apparently gentler on adults than it is young children, or so I was told.
Why do you feel rough> headache sick aching>
The MMR is licensed from 6 months. A immunisation person told me no probs to have it after 6 months.
Whether its necessary or your GP will let you, who knows. I am worried about 6 month old, but we are not in out break area, I would not be soo worried if we were not going away!
child I had her over two years ago! Nobody offered me one, I mentioned it to the nurse when DD had her jabs and she just shrugged so I thought maybe it didn't matter. How do I organise it for myself?
Headache, body aches like when you've got flu coming on, veering between being in a foul mood and crying my eyes out. Hoping its gone by tomorrow
I did also have yellow fever at the same time, so could be that too!
I had the separate jabs. My kids didn't but you can pay for separate injections privately if you are worried x
I had measles jab.
Had rubella jab.
Born in 1974.
Immunity for rubella was checked in pregnancies. Would anyone be able to confirm whether measles immunity also checked?
you can report the side effects to the yellow card scheme here
I'd always assumed I'd had the MMR, but I'm too old if it was introduced in 1988. Unless they did it to us at school? I was 7/8 in 1988 so I probably wouldn't remember.
I didn't have the rubella vaccination at secondary school because I was always ill at the time (I didn't have a BCG until I was in my 20s for the same reason), but I am immune to rubella.
I had mumps as a small child and also whooping cough. I don't think I've ever had measles. Maybe my mum got me a measles vaccine as a baby. Hmm.
The NHs website specifies that people born between 1970-1979 and 1980-1990 might need to be immunised. Not sure why they didn't just go with 1970-1990.
When I had my BCG they put it right up on the tip of my shoulder (which meant it was maximally placed for being bumped). DS1 was 2 and they put his in the same place. He doesn't appear to have a scar, but I do.
Had single measles jab as a child
Then had rubella jab in year 8.
Never had mumps jab or mumps but my younger brother had it several times when we were kids and I never caught it off him so I assume I'm immune.
My mum had 4 children in the 1950's and '60's and we all had measles at the same time. She says it was the most frightening illness of all had no sleep for days. I think we've become blasé about these illnesses and need to remember that's why the vaccines were invented - to prevent unnecessary sickness and possible death through complications.
Just been through my vacination card (thanks dm mum for being obsesive with records). I had single measles jab no mumps and I can remember having the rubella one as a teen (even though I think I had german measles).
No debating whetehr I need to chase up another jab. Largely because dd2 has a chronic condition and I do not want to put her at greater risk.
If I see my Gp in the playground I may acost him tomorrow (dd2 friend's dad! )
Oh and D Dad had polio as a child had to learn to walk again and has suffered after effects all his life (can not close one eye due to the paralysis) Lousie I could agree more we do not fully appreciate what we are being offered.
I also think the BCG vaccine goes in the upper left arm to make it obvious for Drs and other healthcare people. They do the same here in Chile, with both injections, so most people have the two scars close together on the left arm.
The MMR is a live, weakened version of the gits, because immunity from the dead vaccine wears off.
So many people do get mild symptoms of the actual diseases. I, for example, am the original weakling. I am convinced I would have died very young, had I been born a century ago. My immune system over-reacts to everything (hayfever from Feb onwards), and I come down badly with everything. Throughout my life, colds have been of flu-like severity for me, and as for the flu... I had it during Christmas as a child, and I couldn't sit up in bed to open my Christmas presents! Didn't eat for nearly a week becasue my throat hurt so much.
(Which disproves the idea that unvaccinated children are automatically healthy!)
When I had the MMR as an adult, I hence got a proper taster of measles! The real thing would undoubtedly kill me. <shudder>
Born in 62 and had mumps and chickenpox when i was 2, and was supposed to have the measles jab around 1970,as i remember queuing up for it in primary, but was not allowed to have it as my sister had febrile convulsions. I caught measles a few months later. I also had rubella a few weeks before i was supposed to have the jab at school. I caught it from my mum.
Not read the whole thread.
I was born in 1976 and my medical records show that I had a single measles jab in 1977. I had mumps as a child and was tested for rubella immunity during both pregnancies.
I suffer from autoimmune hypothyroidism so I'm not keen to have the MMR if it's not necessary so I have had a blood test this week to test for measles immunity.
If I'm not immune I'm considering having the single jab.
I was born 1982 and didn't have the MMR. I had mumps and rubella but not measles.
I would have it. I have an 18 month old who has had his first jab but not the second. I do worry, especially as my four year olds both got mumps even though they have both had both jabs!
I was born 1976. Doctors wouldn't vaccinate me as my uncle was asthmatic and allergic to various things. So I only ever had rubella in my early teens.
Had cp as a junior aged child.
Thanks MyDarlingClementine. I might ask about getting DS3 vaccinated early as there's no way I'd risk him getting measles.
I was born in the 70s and didn't have MMR vaccines, or BCG vaccine. I did have Rubella when I was about 10; my sister had measles and mumps very badly, and the GP said it would be impossible for me to be in the same house as her and not become immune, even if I showed no symptoms. I wonder if he was right?!
Nathan it's possible you're immune. It's also possible you just didn't get either from your sister!
My MIL has told me about how she got almost all the diseases when her siblings had them, but a couple she actually caught as an adult, despite household exposure 15 years earlier! When she finally did get them, it was when she was working in an office with pregnant women, to boot.
PS: I love Terry Goodkind's books.
Hungryclocks you should ask for one from your GP asap, especially if you ever want another child.
Hmm, this thread has got me wondering.
I was born in 70s. My mum can't remember what I had but thinks I had everything I was meant to. I remember getting the rubella jab at school. The NHS website is advising adults born in 70s to check with GP about MMR.
I called GP and spoke to two receptionists who were both totally unaware of the NHS advice and seemed to think it was a bit odd that I was calling.
So should I be getting the MMR then?
I am still waiting for my GP to call me back....
Am looking on website cant see that adice where is it
I was born in 1974. According to my mum I had German measles, chicken pox, whooping cough and mumps but she can't remember me being vaccinated against measles or having the illness. I am not sure what to do tbh.
Was rubella the one which you had a test for immunity for in secondary? I actually contracted mumps, so should be fine for that. No idea about measles. I was born in 1970.
I was born in 1965 and got measles when I was 3, I was very ill with it. Never had mumps but got the rubella jag when I was about 13 and have had 3 boosters since then as every time they test me for immunity they say it's low. My poor brother had mumps when he was 14 and it made him sterile.
I had my MMR today. Took my 8 week old for her first jabs & was talking to GP about not having had it so she did it today. I'm a HCP & when I changed jobs last August & had occy health checks they found out I was measles non-immune but couldn't have it then as was preggers.
Kitchen - they should be able to vaccinate you against measles with your medical history (but they will probably do an immunity test first)
TailTwister - the 6 needles was the BCG test, which is for TB.
you most likely would have also had Rubella jab in secondary school.
I had my second dose almost two years ago after my surgery did a big drive to get all their patients vaccinated. Ds had his at the recommended time, I'm still constantly reminding dh to go het his!
"I am worried about 6 month old, but we are not in out break area, I would not be soo worried if we were not going away!"
someone I spoke to said that the first batch of measles cases in South West Wales had recently been on a school trip to England and that's why they got it. i don't think it really matters if you are in the break-out area or not.
I had measles (was hospitalised with secondary infection of pneumonia), mumps, rubella, chickenpox and whooping cough as a child so no.
Was vaxed in 1980 against diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus and oral polio (had tetanus and polio booster in 2000 too).
I was immune to rubella when they checked during my last pregnancy (2011).
kitchen get a blood test to see if you are immune as unique said.
I had a blood test last year when 7 month pg, but wasn't immune. there was a small chance that I might have contracted it measles because of a confirmed case at my kids' school - it was so awful waiting to see if I fall ill or not and worrying if I might loose baby due to late MC, a very likely outcome...and there was nothing I could do to prevent it.
Thank God I didn't catch it and I'm getting a measles vaccination on Monday as I'm planning to be pg again, and there's no way I'd risk loosing baby!
so if you are planning to have a baby, you should definitely get vaxed - I suggest you get some info on the possible/likely risks to you and baby if you catch the illness while pg!
forgot to add that I had both mumps and rubella when little and tested positive for both antibodies, so I don't need the triple shot.
Had my MMR today, I only had one measles jab, doc said I could have another one.
DH has no vaccination records and has had one MMR today also, another one soon.
Are you in an outbreak area, Clementine, or are they offering in non-outbreak areas too?
There's been two confirmed cases in my London borough and a few in the neighbouring boroughs, so I've emailed my doctors to ask if I need to have the MMR.
I was born in 1980. I remember vividly having my pre-school boosters. (but not sure what they were) I had rubella in my last year of primary school. TB and a measles jab (due to outbreak) in secondary school. But would like to know if I am immune.
I work with small children and pregnant mums, and are thinking about TTC.
no, but have baby and am going away, am concerned about airport etc.
I had mine today. Nurse actually said that in our particular area, uptake of vaccines is about 91% so there shouldn't be a problem, however, my mum and dad live not too far from an outbreak area so just thought we'd be on safe side. My little girl is due for her first MMR injection next month but as husband and I are not immune and she won't be fully covered until after her second one, we thought it better to be safe than sorry.
The nurse did say I only needed one as I have already had mumps (the illness) and my rubella jab. She did run through side effects and I can look forward to mild mumps and measles symptoms over the next week or so. Lovely.
Hoefully you wont get side affects though.
Does anyone know if having had the illness makes you more immune than having the vaccination? iyswim?
I'm in the outbreak area and having mine at school on Wednesday. We have all been told we will need second jab after 4 weeks.
surely if you are immune then you are immune? (like if you are pregnant then you can't be a little bit pregnant) Not being pedantic... I just don't understand.
Lisson I think these has been some suggestion that the protection from the vaccine isn't lifelong iyswim. Whereas having the illness might protect someone for longer - I don't know?
There are two issues, vaccine efficacy and waning immunity.
After 2 doses of MMR protection conferred is estimated at nearly 100% for measles, measured by antibody titres (95% for one dose). That means that 5% of people vaccinated will not display levels of antibodies though to indicate immunity after only 1 shot. Hence the second shot ref. There will be a very small proportion still not displaying high antibody titres after the second shot as 100% efficacy is not guaranteed.
It is thought if you have the measles virus naturally then you have life long protection. The vaccine offers long term protection, but it may wane over time ref as an example.
The mumps component has been estimated to be between 91 to 94.6% effective even after the second shot and only with the Jeryl Lynn strain (the Urabe and Rubini strains were less effective, in early MMR and there were outbreaks in the UK in vaccinated individuals ref). Therefore even after 2 MMR shots 9 to 5.4% may not be adequately protected.
There are cases of reinfection from mumps in both vaccinated individuals (see ref above) and those who have natural immunity (1-2% suggested here though not sure where they get that figure from). There is also waning immunity shown in this study in vaccinated children.
Rubella as part of MMR is 95% effective after one dose. Both vaccine and natural immunity can wane over time, naturally immune people tend to have higher antibody titres ref. It is possible to get reinfected with rubella.
thankyou for explaining.
I don't know about waning natural immunity and getting childhood diseases multiple times. Before vaccinations came along, we all had these diseases. If you get one as a baby before immune system matures, you can get it again later on (the way I had measles twice). However, once immune to a childhood disease that you have had, you stay immune. If there are exceptions, there are surely very very rare and are due to a dysfunction of the immune system.
Vaccines, on the other hand, do not provide the same level of immune response. They are great, and have obviously saved generations from the devastation of diseases like small pox and polio, but the immunity they confer is not as dependable as natural immunity to a disease our immune system has actually fought.
I had the mmr jab in dec and jan my mum didn't want me to have it as a child. After having it I have been diagnosed as having hyperthyrodism and the mmr has been put down as a possible cause but tbh I think it was coincidence
That is true Cote, natural immunity is longer lasting than vaccine induced immunity. There are rare cases though of people having had mumps and rubella from the wild-type virus more than once. Viruses will mutate over time, so maybe that is part of it.
The immune system is still not fully understood, there are many factors which contribute to immunity, genetics, nutrition and stress, for example. Plus purely having high levels of antibodies does not necessarily mean immunity to a virus ref. The cell mediated response may be equally if not more important than the humoral in some cases.
If viruses causing childhood diseases were to mutate, everyone would be reinfected.
I'm not sure what you are talking about, tbh.
As I said before, when you have a disease as a baby, immunity doesn't necessary form. I had measles twice.. DS will probably have rubella twice (he had it once, but he was only 4 months old, so I don't think he is now immune).
This doesn't mean that natural immunity waned like vaccine immunity does.
There are women who have had rubella who do not test positive for antibodies when tested in pregnancy. If antibody titres are to be taken as a measure of immunity as they are in the case of vaccines then that would imply waning immunity.
There are rare cases when people are reinfected for whatever reason.
There are multiple strains of rubella viruses differing by up to 10% in their nucleotide sequence second pdf link here. We get multiple colds and influenza viral infections in our lifetimes because the viruses mutate. It is entirely possible that we could if exposed to a strain very different to the one we were originally infected by that we could exhibit symptoms of infection. We may not commonly come in contact with them (the Mongolian strain for example) therefore not everyone would be reinfected.
You know they have had rubella because...?
I'm asking because rubella is so mild and transient that most times it goes unnoticed. Parents usually don't realise their babies/children have had it, and even it they notice a rash and take them to the doctor for a diagnosis, they get told that it looks like a mild viral infection and will be fine. Given that it lasts about a day and can only be diagnosed by a blood test, it is quite difficult to be sure that one has had rubella, rather than some other viral infection that would present with a very similar rash.
In fact, the only way to make sure that you have had rubella is to test immune to it. Natural immunity just doesn't wane in the way that vaccine immunity does.
And slight changes in the genotype don't mean that we will be reinfected with all of them if we come into contact, as I'm sure you well know. And we don't.
You cannot be sure without testing for rubella, but you can take anecdotal evidence. The hpa only has lab confirmed cases post 1996 on their website, you would have to take their word for it that all notifications pre 1996 were actually rubella too.
Ref talking about decreasing antibody titres for natural rubella antibodies here. Also mentions larger decreases for vaccinated individuals.
I have not said that natural immunity wanes in the same way vaccine induced immunity does. Before vaccinations individuals would have been more commonly exposed to childhood illnesses within the population post infection, thus naturally boosting their antibody levels. We see less wild type cases now so less chance to boost antibody levels and therefore natural immunity.
No just coming into contact with a new strain of a virus does not mean we would all be reinfected, individual immune response would play a part, some may be exposed and exhibit no symptoms at all.
iwish I also have autoimmune thyroiditis - why would that make a difference? I know I am immune to rubella and I had mumps so only measles I am worried about - although did have single vax as baby....
dd3 was diagnosed with rubella by a GP but he didnt order blood tests. He just examined the rash, her and declared it was rubella and he hadnt seen a case for a while (he was an older GP).
Don't believe I have been vaccinated
Both DDs have been vaccinated
I would if offered - no questions
Got an email back from Doctors that says:
"Patient has only has one dose MR in 1994 - patient needs to have 2 doses MMR a month apart and not be pregnant or intend to get pregnant for 3/12 (^3 months?^) after being vaccinated."
Off to book an appointment...
I was born in 1975. I had meales, didn't have mumps, and I didn't have the rubella vaccination as a teenager (family history of adverse reaction - all discussed with GP at the time).
I wouldn't have been rubella immune in pregnancy, so I had a rubella vaccination 3 years ago. Except that they no longer offer a single rubella vaccine on the NHS, so I had to have the MMR vaccine, which I did.
The advice on adults is here under MMR for adults
forever. There is some research which links the MMR to people going on to develop autoimmune conditions.
Already having an autoimmune condition leaves you predisposed to developing others - something that I'm not keen on obviously, which is why I was considering getting the single measles jab.
Luckily, my blood tests have shown that I am immune to all 3 (measles, mumps and rubella), so I don't have that decision to make thankfully.
my mum was telling me about my measles the other day.
she said it was awful and she was really distressed about it at the time.
I was never comfortable and she used to soak my baby sister's terry nappies in freezing water and wrap me in them. she said I was so hot that I would dry the cloths.
IwishIwasmoreorgnaised - don't suppose you can link to any of the research linking MMR to the development of autoimmune conditions, please?
So the docs called back and said they won't give me the MMR. I made a bit of a fuss and they said someone esle would call me back tomorrow.
Do I have a leg to stand on asking for it? Afaik I am not immune and work with kids, though not in a high risk part of the country.
MrsTwgtwf. Sorry, I lost lots of links to studies when my laptop died last year. Not got time to dig around at the moment.
This isn't MMR specific but still makes interesting reading.
Thanks, Iwish, I'll have a look at that.
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