to think Primark is the nearest thing to hell?

(164 Posts)
JennifersBody Wed 24-Apr-13 18:21:09

Always packed with people. Every time I enter it there is always someone having an argument, or shouting something.

I will trip over at least three pushchairs, and have a couple more rammed into my ankles.

It will take forever to squeeze past the vast amount of people in the aisles.

We will get shoved and bumped - never get an apology.

If you want to try something on prepare to lose a good portion of your day, if you decide to buy it you will lose the other portion of your day.

All I wanted was a pair of jeans.

aldiwhore Wed 24-Apr-13 18:22:35

Probably not as hellish as the factories that make the clothes are.

Other than that, YANBU to loathe the bloody place...

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Wed 24-Apr-13 18:22:38

Trying things on in Primark is a fool's game. It's not worth it.

Euphemia Wed 24-Apr-13 18:23:39

The shoddy quality of the clothes makes my flesh crawl. I lose the will to live in there after five minutes. DD likes it for clothes, onesies, etc.

Januarymadness Wed 24-Apr-13 18:26:12

yanbu

PipkinsPal Wed 24-Apr-13 18:27:09

The only thing that fits me in Primark are the socks. It's like a darned jumble sale. Why do people think it's fine to mess up all the clothes in Primark. Would they do it in Next or Marks and Spencer? I doubt it very much. Perhaps the better class of shoppers avoid Primark. I know I do grin

Pobblewhohasnotoes Wed 24-Apr-13 18:27:41

The one on Oxford Street is pure hell. It's full of tourists cramming clothes into baskets and the queue for the fitting rooms go round the shop. Hideous.

getmeoutofthismadhouse Wed 24-Apr-13 18:28:17

I would think its the day and time you go in the place. I went shopping there a couple of weeks ago about 4pm and I spent ages in there browsing about , it wasn't overly busy and just a couple of minutes wait at the tills.... saturday afternoons you are mad to go anywhere near a place like primark !!

Mintyy Wed 24-Apr-13 18:28:41

I don't shop in Primark. Have been in there once or twice when they first started appearing.

But YABU.

Ikea is the nearest thing to hell.

Or Disneyland.

JennifersBody Wed 24-Apr-13 18:29:06

Perhaps the better class of shoppers avoid Primark. I know I do

Haha maybe. I just get jeans from there. I would lose the will to live if I looked at anything else.

JennifersBody Wed 24-Apr-13 18:29:57

Mintyy YABU!!!!

Going to Ikea and Disneyland would be the best day ever grin

DarkTherapy Wed 24-Apr-13 18:32:56

I asked DH to pick up some pyjamas for the kids as he was working close to the Oxford Street store. It was the week before Christmas. He came home and swore I'd near on tried to kill him by sending him there at that time grin

classifiedinformation Wed 24-Apr-13 18:34:54

Primark is a hideous place that sells awful clothing that no self respecting person would be seen dead in. YABU for going in there in the first place.

I've just stated a thread in Teens, praising it for being the only shop I've found that does a 26 waist, 34 leg for tall, skinny boys! I bought six pairs of chinos/jeans that size there today for my DC, and they are a perfect fit. The shop was empty and I spent less that £50.

But generally I agree that it's a shit shop.

wigglesrock Wed 24-Apr-13 18:36:48

I love it tbh. Clothes especially t-shirts and jeans are great at the minute. Scarves, flip flops, sandals and jewellery are also great. It's busy - I can live with that, I never try anything on in store anyway.

pod3030 Wed 24-Apr-13 18:37:15

yanbu, it is the fourth level of hades. Ikea is the third, softplay the second.

wigglesrock Wed 24-Apr-13 18:38:01

Guess my self respect is fucked then smile

JennifersBody Wed 24-Apr-13 18:38:35

Primark is a hideous place that sells awful clothing that no self respecting person would be seen dead in. YABU for going in there in the first place

But of a scary overreaction hmm

I buy jeans from there because of the job I do. I need something that it doesn't matter if it gets messy.

aldiwhore Wed 24-Apr-13 18:39:21

Ikea and Disneyland... best day ever indeed!! grin

Sparklingbrook Wed 24-Apr-13 18:40:04

My local Primark is very neat and tidy. But I have never visited on a Saturday afternoon-usually 9am weekdays. grin

And no the nearest thing to hell is actually Sports World. wink

HappyMummyOfOne Wed 24-Apr-13 18:42:30

It always looks messy and cheap, would rather have supermarket clothes any day. Better quality and the same price.

andubelievedthat Wed 24-Apr-13 18:42:36

Went to Ikea, once! never in this life will i return , it was hellonearth,trying to find the exit signs/exit.(and i was only collecting people !)hatefull place(imo)

ChocolateCakePlease Wed 24-Apr-13 18:43:05

I have been there a couple of times and nothing in there seems to fit right. It is all really weird sizing and fitting. Don't bother now because I would rather pay more and get better quality and fit.

NumTumDeDum Wed 24-Apr-13 18:44:21

Ha! My first ever job was in Primark as a Saturday girl. I was paid £1.91 an hour. There was no air conditioning and we had revolting cobalt blue uniforms and no staff discount. It was pretty hellish. If you want to/have to shop there get there at opening time, never try things on and aim to be done by half past opening time.

YoothaJoist Wed 24-Apr-13 18:44:40

Never been in there. Isn't it just cheap tat? <shrugs>

thebody Wed 24-Apr-13 18:49:42

Get a grip!

Our local primark is lovely, neat, clean and definatly not a jumble sale. The summer clothes out now are well made and pretty. Unlike the hideous shite in M&S now.

Think it depends on your local store.

My ideas of hell is Ikea, the furniture is cheap crap and insult to injury you have to practically make it yourself.

Disney land is the work of the devil.

Sparklingbrook Wed 24-Apr-13 18:51:44

I agree thebody, our local one is very nice but the one at the nearest soulless mahoosive shopping mall is always hideous.

The nice one used to be a BHS. My Mum is still in mourning. sad

ShellyBoobs Wed 24-Apr-13 18:53:45

Our local primark is lovely...

Unlike their deadly sweatshop factories churning out the utter shite at the prices demanded by the customers.

Many people have been killed today when one of Primark's factories in Bangladesh collapsed.

sad

I looked at kids clothes in there today, there was perhaps one dress that I would have got for my daughter, the rest of them were the kind of thing that she will want to wear when she is fourteen, but she's not fourteen, she's eight!
There were some cheap throws, very suited to being thrown on the bed where the dog tends to sleep.

Eh, we went to the one in Stratford this summer and bought union flag tshirts as a souvenir for my kids (we live in the US). It wasn't crazy busy. They fit just fine and have held up well in the wash for the last nine months.

thebody Wed 24-Apr-13 18:58:13

Shelly.. The op wasn't posing an ethical debate. I just answered her question.

And if we are being honest here lots of stores not just primark have been implicated in 'sweat shop scandles'

You don't have to go to Pakistan to see it either.

Soho road in handsworth Birmingham is pretty bad too.

ShellyBoobs Wed 24-Apr-13 19:14:07

I don't think workers in fucking Birmingham have this sort of shit to deal with.

angry

www.channel4.com/news/bangladesh-building-collapse-dhaka-killed-factories

Sparklingbrook Wed 24-Apr-13 19:18:52

Shelly why don't you start a thread about it? Have an ethical debate on it?

I hate primark. I buy shoes/accesories from there but thats it.

I've never bought for the kids from there <my own childhood involved c and fecking asad long story> but 2 weeks ago dd left her hoody on the bus and i said yo my mum ''have a look in primark it'll only be 4/5 quid'' .... £8 for a flipping primark jumper feck that! I admit i got the rage then went to markies and got a lovely hoody on sale for £4 grin

My mum was embarrassed but i always thought primark was cheap? They've got a high opinion of themselves at the prices i seen and the quality was shocking hmm

thebody Wed 24-Apr-13 19:35:55

Shelley you may be right but that wasn't the ops thread was it?

thebody Wed 24-Apr-13 20:57:36

Oops as sparkling said first.

bigbuttons Wed 24-Apr-13 21:01:47

I like Primark, the one in Brighton is huge and not too stressful .I find the clothes I've got there have worn very well actually, both kids' and adults stuff. I've got chino trousers for my boys and they are fab, good quality and last easily until grown out of.

pigletmania Wed 24-Apr-13 21:04:24

Yabvvu we have a new Primark in Milton Keynes and its great, looks very upmarket, everything is ordered neatly. Love the children's clothes, love the character adult t shirts. I also lie te basic like the camis and track suit bottoms.

Don't you think places like New Look, H&M, Next don't use sweatshops!

HollyBerryBush Wed 24-Apr-13 21:06:09

Depends on the Primark - if it's in a nicer area, they are generally better. Ours is hell on earth, aisles too close together, 4 million 12yo's trying to by hair bows and the like, however if I go over to Lakeside, it's very spacious and not very populated

macreturnofthe Wed 24-Apr-13 21:07:26

i have been in primark once - managed 5 minutes before it was clear this was a place of awfulness.

i will never return ever - shit hole of a place, with clothes and layout which makes your eyes bleed

If you go at lunch time or at the weekend, it is hideous. Off peak is fine.

Mind you, ours is newly done up so the layout is decent.

pigletmania Wed 24-Apr-13 21:09:02

The one in Northampton on the other hand is awful

NuhichNuhaymuh Wed 24-Apr-13 21:10:42

Shellybob, do you have the same rage for Monsoon and Benetton?

Primary Brighton is ok, and the quality of the clothes is fine, for children it is actually good. I have clothes that I bought there years ago and they still look fine.

primark

BuggedByJake Wed 24-Apr-13 21:27:49

Yanbu and its full of shit quality clothing so I see no reason to go in.

gazzalw Wed 24-Apr-13 21:28:40

DW goes first thing in the morning and it seems quiet....

Sparklingbrook Wed 24-Apr-13 21:28:43

Some of the stuff is fine quality wise. confused

Tryharder Wed 24-Apr-13 21:32:54

The one in Harrogate is quite nice. But it is tat. You get what you pay for. I don't like the children's clothes personally as I hate slogan-y things but I would imagine its great for older kids and teenagers.

Sparklingbrook Wed 24-Apr-13 21:34:44

DS1 (13) loves Primark.

OldBeanbagz Wed 24-Apr-13 21:36:11

Primark in the UK = HELL

Primark in Europe is loads better. I always send my DH there to pick up stuff for the kids (when he's work overseas).

Snog Wed 24-Apr-13 22:00:20

Our Primark is good but our m & s is rubbish
Also find primark easier to shop in than h&m

Sparklingbrook Wed 24-Apr-13 22:01:41

Aren't all M&S rubbish. Don't know who their target customer is any more.

usualsuspect Wed 24-Apr-13 22:04:43

There are some snobby fuckers on MN

bigbuttons Wed 24-Apr-13 22:17:42

People rave about h&m for kids, some stuff is ok, but the quality is not good. Primark is better imo.

Sparklingbrook Wed 24-Apr-13 22:19:39

Some of the H&M kids stuff is a bit odd.

MrsDeVere Wed 24-Apr-13 22:27:27

There are two massive Primarks on Oxford Street. The one near Marble Arch is hell on earth. The one near Tottenham Court Road is quiet, calm with lovely smiley staff.

The clothes in Primark are no worse quality than Top Shop, River Island and New Look.

They are no less ethical than the majority of high street stores.

They allow people on low incomes to dress their families. Bloody useful if you have a teenager. Where else can you clothe a 6 foot 15 year old in something they are willing to wear and actually be able to afford it without selling your car?

Primark and Sports Direct are a bloody god send.

deste Wed 24-Apr-13 22:29:53

Our Primark is tidy, I don't buy a lot but do go in to look. Primark towels are good quality.

Southeastdweller Wed 24-Apr-13 22:34:28

Cheap, low quality shit I wouldn't be seen dead in. A good example of why sometimes the saying 'you get what you pay for' is true.

MrsDeVere Wed 24-Apr-13 22:37:19

The quality is fine.
As long as you chose the right product.

I don't like nylon stuff. I stick to the cotton things and they have been fine. There is some horrible crap in there but also a lot of perfectly acceptable stuff.

Not compared to high range stores obviously but I can't afford to buy from them anyway.

Lucelulu Wed 24-Apr-13 22:38:40

Have you not watched the news?
Can you really avoid it being an ethical debate?

Samu2 Wed 24-Apr-13 22:39:22

Crap stuff and yes, to packed and messy.

However, I do buy my children's underwear from there. All my children needed new underwear and it cost me £45 shock so I am not going to go elsewhere and spend more, but I hate going in there and it stresses me out.

Samu2 Wed 24-Apr-13 22:39:40

too packed, not to*

cumfy Wed 24-Apr-13 22:40:12

<Strokes Primark naice towels>

<Puts towel over head to avoid Primark clientele>

KatyTheCleaningLady Wed 24-Apr-13 22:42:39

If you have a sort of funky style, you can find some interesting things in there. But, it's sort of a treasure hunt.

I've noticed that most of the things I spot that look promising have something critically wrong upon closer inspection. "Oh, this is a cute top. I like the cute colorful peacocks printed on the fabric and the way it drapes like a tunic. Oh. Wait. It's got these weird brass studs on the shoulders."

Like, something will be just fine. And then they add some bizarre little notion or detail that makes it shitty.

Primark in Selfridges at the Trafford centre is pretty good, a few select clothes, tidy, huge dressing rooms and they put your purchases in a selfridges bag.

CherylTrole Wed 24-Apr-13 22:46:09

I like Primark for some things <<shock horror>>
I do smell a snobby aroma here too AND I am watching Katie Hopkins on channel 4 right now <<enjoys the heat from the flames>>

DialsMavis Wed 24-Apr-13 22:48:31

Primark and other high street stores use the same factories, you can't be up in arms about one but not the others. I believe H & M are better ethically, but I haven't found the quality to be any better. The worst high street stuff I have purchased recently has been New Look actually. I do worry about the production of my clothes and try and shop in charity shops etc, which is OK for me and DD (2) (although pretty expensive TBH), but try shopping on a budget for older boys and I find 2nd hand doesn't cut it. The boys coloured chinos are brilliant!

Wow, how long has there been a primark in Trafford centre selfridges? That's mad! grin Totally going there

usualsuspect Wed 24-Apr-13 22:50:43

Hahaha at you get what you pay for. Or more like some of the expensive shops saw you coming. A fool and his money are soon parted.

Go go go! I was in shock, I had to check the labels to make sure grin. Primarni dresses parked next to the over priced designer gear.

AmberLeaf Wed 24-Apr-13 22:52:26

I love Primark.

Yes to all that MrsD said.

I think most people that slag it off for being 'shit quality' have never even seen primark clothes, actually they probably have but they didn't realise. They are the same as most high st stores quality wise.

Yep snobby fuckers.

Corygal Wed 24-Apr-13 22:53:40

I love Primark - it's all about what you choose. Heaven soft towels in bright colours and vast to boot, proper large old-lady cotton pants, cosy fleece tights and jeans that fit for less than fags. Perfectly decent quality, sniff, and great design.

Primark uses the same factories as all the rest of the British High Street - they're demonised cos they're cheap, not cos they're partic. guilty. And Primark's cheap cos it sells on volume not on margin - which in English is because they sell a lot, not because they mark it up.

NuhichNuhaymuh Wed 24-Apr-13 22:54:13

I tried to mention that up thread DialsMavis, but I think it just got lost.

I do find it interesting that people get so up un arms about Primark being unethical. is it because it's cheap? where do they think other shops get the clothes from? Do they think its more ethical if the company make more money from each item that the perskn gets paid the same to make?

juneybean Wed 24-Apr-13 22:56:25

I like it, having lost enough weight to shop there and as a nanny I don't want to spend a lot on clothes that end up covered in paint or snot.

AmberLeaf Wed 24-Apr-13 22:58:44

Do you really think people would keep going back to primark if it was so shit?

I've been shopping in primark for nearly 20 years. I still have a lovely long ribbed cotton sort of chunky knit cardi that I bought in primark about 16 yrs ago. Its not really fashionable anymore, but it is still in lovely condition.

sparkling I think your local Primark is the same as mine smile

OP I love primark it's great for kids clothes most of DS's clothes (and a good chunk of mine) come from there I've had some of my jumpers for years and they still wash well. Other stuff doesn't last as well but what do you expect for the price.

Southeastdweller Wed 24-Apr-13 23:00:42

My clothes from M&S and Gap have all lasted longer than the crap I bought at Primark, when I had no choice to get their tat due to my low paying job at the time. The designs are better, too.

Each to their own though, yah?

starfishmummy Wed 24-Apr-13 23:01:10

I went in today for only the second time. I remembered why I don't go. But ds is going into hospital so I needed to stock up on pjs.
If he needs more I will ask mil as she likes going there for the bargains grin

BackforGood Wed 24-Apr-13 23:02:55

It depends on the individual shop. We live about 1/2 way between 2. 1 is a bit like the OP describes. The other is excellent. I love the vfm I get in Primark.

Lyftiduft Wed 24-Apr-13 23:05:04

I love Primark for one thing- toddler boy skinny fit coloured chinos and jeans that have tiny waists, account for not really having a bottom unless wearing a nappy, and do up with a popper. DS has every colour because they are about the only trousers from any shop that actually fit him!

The shop and shopping experience itself is hell but some of the products are ok.

Chandon Wed 24-Apr-13 23:06:29

Haha, go to the one in Winchester, such a posh town, Primark almost empty when I was there.

Made me smile. The White Company however was heaving!

usualsuspect Wed 24-Apr-13 23:08:26

I walk passed the white company,look at the prices and think they are having a laugh.

starsandunicorns Wed 24-Apr-13 23:09:07

Most of my dds and mine clothes are from Primark. I have bra sets that are six yrs old. I cant afford to buy stuff at Boden even H and M are pricey for me pefer Primark to Next. I have tshirts that have been worn for 4 summers and still good.

Now my town is at last getting a Primark but I love the one in Liverpool If i do a Primark shop I get early and am there when the doors open.

TheChaoGoesMu Wed 24-Apr-13 23:10:14

Crikey shelly I've been living under a rock today I think and haven't followed the news at all. Thats bloody awful.

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 24-Apr-13 23:14:00

The Inverness store is fine, just a normal shopping experience really.
Peace and Love.grin

CherylTrole Wed 24-Apr-13 23:14:55

Love these threads, always seperates the wheat from the chaff grin I shop in a huge variety of shops dont care what that makes me. It saddens me to see the snobbery that exists about Primark and the people who are afraid to be seen in it in case one thinks one is a lower class type confused

Southeastdweller Wed 24-Apr-13 23:39:47

What's snobby about thinking the clothes there are shite?

Blossomgirl Wed 24-Apr-13 23:56:12

yanbu because it is, oh yes it is ~I'm an only-once survivor I'd rather crochet ds's next pjs out of cotton than cross that threshold again

Blossomgirl Thu 25-Apr-13 00:05:03

not a snob, I'm right up their demographic. Too broke to go in shopping where the big shops are usually so seemed like I ought when I found myself in Bristol. No it's just wrong, it's like walking in through the screen of a TV woooh altered reality stuff run, you bet!

KatyTheCleaningLady Thu 25-Apr-13 00:11:19

Look, I happily buy all sorts of clothes at Asda, so I'm not a snob when I say that most of what Primark sells is hideous crap, with a few treasures worth seeking out in the hopes that when you do find something it doesn't have bizarre epulates or something tacked on.

agnesf Thu 25-Apr-13 00:22:46

Sports Direct is much more hell like. All the rails so close together you can hardly move. All sizes all jumbled up and enough polyester to generate sufficient static electricity to power a small town. And even worse when you buy something on line they send you a free gift of a mug the size of a bucket or in the shop they give you a bag the size of a single man tent.

Worst of all is the one in Lewisham where you have to hand in all your other shopping to a man on the door to stop you shoplifting.

AmberLeaf Thu 25-Apr-13 01:05:43

What's snobby about thinking the clothes there are shite?

Do you think all high st clothes shops are shite?

Because there is little difference at high st level.

LinusVanPelt Thu 25-Apr-13 01:20:01

I can't believe that people are trying to shut Shelly up about the factory collapse. It happened TODAY. It is still going on, hundreds of people right now are waiting for news of their relatives who haven't emerged as the rescue efforts turn into a recovery operation.

And here's a thread about Primark, and someone mentions the sweatshops and is told to go start her own thread because people don't want an ethical debate.

Unbelievable.

cantspel Thu 25-Apr-13 01:46:27

Marks and Spencer's, Next, Ralph Lauren, DKNY, GAP, Converse, Banana Republic, Land's End, Levi's and Zara all use sweatshops in Asia or in the case of Zara Bolivia.

This thread is pure snobbery and not a case of refusing to shop there due to any ethical concerns.

AmberLeaf Thu 25-Apr-13 01:48:44

Is there a thread about the factory collapse Linus?

runningforme Thu 25-Apr-13 01:50:21

what cantspel said

EmpressOfThe7OceansLovesMN Thu 25-Apr-13 01:55:02

I looked all over London for jeans and the ones that fitted me best were the skinny Primark ones, 8 short. I like their plain T-shirts too.

Some Sports Direct stuff is all right... But who, WHO sends their child out with Golddigga written on her arse???

Sparklingbrook Thu 25-Apr-13 06:59:52

grin Empress. Sports Direct stuff is ok on the whole but the shopping experience is dreadful.

Sparklingbrook Thu 25-Apr-13 07:02:16

And I don't mind an ethical debate, but not on this thread discussing primarily the shopping experience in Primark. Link to the new thread about the factory collapse?

Southeastdweller Thu 25-Apr-13 07:03:20

amber Some people here clearly don't understand what the word snobbery means and no I don't believe all high street clothing is shite.

bigbuttons Thu 25-Apr-13 07:07:31

I do sports direct online-much better bargains. Going into the shop is a bit stressful. I'm always worried I will never be able to find my way out again.

Sparklingbrook Thu 25-Apr-13 07:12:52

Yes big and they display stuff 10 feet of the ground, then you have to find someone with the hooky thing. confused If you order online there's always the danger of getting a mahoosive mug. grin

williaminajetfighter Thu 25-Apr-13 07:13:55

I hate it. Poor quality clothes on the ground, still smells like a Chinese sweat shop, loads of shoppers going for quantity over quality, customers who are rough and rude. Might as well have a counter for the job centre and social work services at the till.

Grim grim grim.

ithaka Thu 25-Apr-13 07:21:24

Might as well have a counter for the job centre and social work services at the till.

Surely that is pure snobbery at its worst?

Primark is just another shop. Its long sleeve T shirts are fabulous base layers, lovely and long to tuck in, I live in them over the winter.

Just because an item of clothing is more expensive, it does not follow that the person that made it was paid more - it is usually just a bigger mark up.

usualsuspect Thu 25-Apr-13 07:26:06

Some people clearly do know what snobbery is.

Sparklingbrook Thu 25-Apr-13 07:27:42

I have never noticed it smells. Where do all these snobby people shop?

ParsleyTheLioness Thu 25-Apr-13 07:28:00

More worried about the recent fire in Bangladesh. Primark workers are clearly working in unsafe as well as dodgy conditions.

Sparklingbrook Thu 25-Apr-13 07:32:22

Start a thread then Parsley and link on this one.

You just have to know what you're doing when you shop there, the clothes aren't badly made, they're just made with little to no shaping to save time on sewing them. Never try anything on, round it up to the nearest size up and when you pay, go to the homeware section or shoes and mens because they're never crowded.

From a seamstressing point of view, there's less work in items for primark than, say, Matalan or Monsoon and Primark sells at a deliberate loss to bring in profit through bulk buying. I boycotted primark for a long time but you'd be hard pressed to find a high street label that hasn't outsourced to the third world. At least these days people are more aware of these issues and putting pressure on the companies that use sweatshops.

LottieJenkins Thu 25-Apr-13 07:47:06

I bought knickers in their recently and wont ever again............every pair fell apart after the first wash! On the other hand i love their jeans and trousers. Wilf loves the huge one at Westwood Cross and i think he almost single-handedly keeps it open!!!! grin

HappyMummyOfOne Thu 25-Apr-13 07:54:48

I disagree with the quality being great, had a pair of pjs and two tshirts for a weekend away. All three didnt last more than three washes before there were holes where the seams had come apart. If after cheap clothes than matalan and the supermarkets are far better quality and the shaping is better too.

MrsDeVere Thu 25-Apr-13 08:05:40

I really have never had any issue with their quality compared to other high street shops.

I like to sew and can't help but check out seams and finish on clothes. Primark has a low quality finish but just the same as Top Shop (which is always being lauded as fantastic and cheap). Top Shop is terribly expensive and makes clothes out of lining fabric.

Primark home wear is great. Their skinny jeans are as good as anywhere else I have tried.
Their children's clothes are on a par with the supermarkets.

Some of their dresses are awful. They hang really badly and have bits hanging off the 'hems'.

YY to the weird embellishments on perfectly nice items but isn't that true of everywhere at the moment? Just waiting for that little trend to pass.

Primark are no different from the vast majority of shops when it comes to ethics.

I buy PJ's/underwear from there, my teens buy clothes and have sets that have washed well for at least a year, so the quality from item to item must vary, if posters have had the experiences that they have. I have found no difference between their clothes and some from other more expensive shops. My eldest DD doesn't always hang things up again, she puts them on a shelf in Primark and H&M, when I challenged her, she said that it ensured people were kept in work, thinking about it, she has a point. Every now and again there are scandals that involve all retailers, Primark had a campaign targeting them and it has worked well.

NuhichNuhaymuh Thu 25-Apr-13 08:15:37

I don't think people are telling Shelly to shut up about it, but if she wants to draw attention to the ethical debate then to start a new thread zbout it, also that it us not just Primark who get their supplies from Asia, a fact overlooked ignored by many a 'I don't shop in Primark because of the sweatdhops'

Matalan, Monsoon, Benetton, Wall-Mart, are all thought to have suppliers factories in the building. Primark have confirmed the have, the only ones so far I think.

Next time you are in Monsoon take a moment with something with sequins on it and remind yorself that a person in Asia has sewen them on, and don't kid yorself their conditions are better than the Primark workers

NuhichNuhaymuh Thu 25-Apr-13 08:17:22

sorry for typos fat-fingered and a bit careless

CherylTrole Thu 25-Apr-13 08:51:07

Yes some things in Primark are naff. Obviously lots of people like to look down their nose at Primark BUT the stores are still going strong through the recession. The stores are full of shoppers. No sign of them going into administration........

wreckitralph Thu 25-Apr-13 08:54:36

Really surprised no one has picked up this yet. Yes, Primark is cheap. However we all need to think a bit more about where these clothes (and other retailers clothes) are made and the consequences of us wanting fashion for a couple of quid.

uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/primark-shocked-bangladesh-building-collapse-073143765.html

wreckitralph Thu 25-Apr-13 08:55:27

Ooops, yes will start another thread.

williaminajetfighter Thu 25-Apr-13 08:59:22

Then birdsgottafly with that logic (that leaving clothes around a shop creates jobs) lets leave garbage in the street to make jobs for garbage pickers! Some peoe are unbelievable.

AmberLeaf Thu 25-Apr-13 09:31:38

From a seamstressing point of view, there's less work in items for primark than, say, Matalan

Yet they use the same suppliers.

fromparistoberlin Thu 25-Apr-13 09:36:45

do you have poor people OP? I take this thread as a YES to that question

hmm

"William" leaving rubbish in the street is a health hazard and impacts on society, putting clothes back in a manner that still makes them sell-able, but not quite correctly, is hardly comparable. Primark is a big employer, I'm in Liverpool, we need employment, whilst they need that level of staff, there will be jobs, they are still making a profit, even though their shops are well staffed.

LaQueen Thu 25-Apr-13 09:38:45

YANBU.

It's shit.

It sells tat.

And, I refuse to enter its Portal of Hell door.

Fakebook Thu 25-Apr-13 09:39:49

Hmm. I like it. I love their homeware section for the towels and bath mats. I bought dinosaur wall stickers for dd's room a few months ago for just 50p. I got two massive A3 sized packs double sided with stickers of all types of dinosaurs and eggs and mountains. She absolutely loves them and they are really good quality too. I've never been pushed or shoved in our local one. Oxford street is another matter.

happyyonisleepyyoni Thu 25-Apr-13 09:41:13

For anyone interested in comparing the "ethical" record of different high street shops, this makes interesting reading

www.ethicalconsumer.org/buyersguides/clothing/clothesshops.aspx

Newlook comes top of the charts for high street shops, the mid end stores are in the middle, and the supermarkets and Primark are at the bottom.

I am not a Primark fan anyway but I will be thinking twice about buying supermarket clothes now.

LaQueen Thu 25-Apr-13 09:41:43

Oh, and before anyone tries to point out that I'm being a snob about shops...

M&S school uniform jersey pinafore dresses are shit, too. As, are their school tights. They're tat.

"WreckIt" the building contained workers for other retailers, Matalan used it, it's just that Primark has released condolences first and on their website, whereas BonMarche released a statement when asked. Without reading it, you would think that it is a Primark issue and not a Western retail issue.

"WreckIt" the building contained workers for other retailers, Matalan used it, it's just that Primark has released condolences first and on their website, whereas BonMarche released a statement when asked. Without reading it, you would think that it is a Primark issue and not a Western retail issue.

Fakebook Thu 25-Apr-13 09:50:11

I agree about M&S school tights. £9 for 3 pairs and they got holes in the crotch within 3 months. Such a rip off. ASDA tights are better.

wreckitralph Thu 25-Apr-13 10:00:05

I do not have a problem with Primark at all. In fact I've never ever been in one, because I do not live in the UK. You are right, Birds that it is a western retail issue. Anyway, I have started a thread on this.

hairtearing Thu 25-Apr-13 10:10:36

You've forgotten that all the clothes are practically on the floor! argh, muddy footprints!!

DialsMavis Thu 25-Apr-13 10:27:41

If you play with the sliders Primark are pretty shit for environment, politics and sustainability, but on par with Zara, Uniqlo, H&M and monsoon for treatment of people. They are more ethical than River Island, M&S, Benetton and John Lewis and many more on this measure.

I am not excusing or supporting the terrible treatment of people in 3rd world countries, but the vast majority of shops (& consumers) are greedy and selfish. It's very lazy and easy to just not buy from Primark (if you are lucky enough to be able to afford to make that choice) and then think you are so much more informed, caring and right on than those that do shop there.

AmberLeaf Thu 25-Apr-13 11:39:19

Everyone who has issues with the ethics of the production of clothing/goods overseas for sale in the west, You are still involved in feeding the demand, even if you choose to boycott shops like Primark et al.

Read the link below, its not new news, lots of people are already aware, but I suppose it is easier for you to boycott somewhere like Primark and castigate anyone who doesn't. I think lots of people will openly state they boycott Primark because of ethical reasons, when in truth, they would not have shopped there anyway.

Do you have an ipad, a smartphone, a laptop or an ipod, amongst other things?

How do you justify that? Im sure you have your reasons, well, I have my reasons for justifying shopping in shops like Primark, mainly financial ones tbh.

The story of how the latest technology is made is a story of vast factories. And few factories are as vast as the Longhua Science and Technology Park in Shenzen, China. Estimates put the number of people working at the facility anywhere between 230,000 and 450,000. At that highest estimate, it employs more people than there are in Leeds

The facility is owned by Foxconn, a company whose client list reads like a who’s who of technology – Acer, Apple, Dell, HP, Intel, Microsoft, Nintendo, Nokia, Samsung, Sony and Toshiba to name just a few

Link to full article here

So, are you really so bothered about ethics? or is it only if its a product that you don't want anyway?

Crinkle77 Thu 25-Apr-13 11:41:07

YANBU. The clothes are rubbish and there is never anything I fancy in there. I bought a coat from there and the buttons fell off after a matter of weeks. Ok it is cheap and I know you get what you pay for but they should not fall off that quickly.

fromparistoberlin Thu 25-Apr-13 12:11:53

exactly amberleaf

everything we touch ,most days, will have something in it sourced from a "low" ethics manufacturing environment

if you dont like primark, dont shop there

but people with fuck all money do shop there and I think this post is a bit bitchy TBH

thebody Thu 25-Apr-13 13:05:53

Well I have just brought a lovely maxi dress in primark and my weekly shop in ASDA but then I am working class, don't think I smell though!!

quoteunquote Thu 25-Apr-13 13:31:52

Just opened this thread to add my thoughts about the 200 dead thinking it must be about that, due to the building collapse, mainly women working for slave wages,

A little bit sad to see that in a conversation about primark hell, given the news, that MNers are unable to be open to extending the debate.

I would hazard a guess that had the OP innocently started a thread, called

to think Clarks is the nearest thing to hell?

on the same day as the clarks factory in somerset had collapses killing 200, due to the owners not closing the building when cracks had appeared, because of the penalties and pressures from the clarks if orders were not produced.

There would be a out cry from MNers asking for the title to be changed, or thread removed.

This thread has a waft of Marie Antoinette about it.

MrsDeVere Thu 25-Apr-13 13:31:54

Its funny though.
When I enter the big Primark by Marble Arch it is always heaving with long legged, excited, middle class teenage girls. Laden with piles and piles of unethical trashy tat (apparently)

So MN mommies you may not want to be seen dead in there and think their clothes are rubbish but your DD love them.

And where do they get their money from?

butterflyexperience Thu 25-Apr-13 13:32:17

Disney land/ world are worse.,.

MrsDeVere Thu 25-Apr-13 13:34:35

Oh yeah.
We are all posh racists.

Don't be so bloody daft.

The OP had nothing to do with the collapse. The OP was about the hell of shopping in a high street shop <sob>

not the hell of having to work in an 8 storey sweatshop with no toilet facilities and the windows boarded up.

And yes, Clarkes is the nearest thing to shoe hell that I can think of. The bastards bought up Ravel and replaced those lovely glittery shoes with fugly flats with buckles and crepe soles.

LadyBeagleEyes Thu 25-Apr-13 13:35:13

Their skinny jeans are some of the best on the High Street.

Sparklingbrook Thu 25-Apr-13 14:16:52

Well said MrsDe. smile

Has anyone linked to a thread about the factory collapse yet?

Sparklingbrook Thu 25-Apr-13 14:19:55

Here is a thread about the factory collapse should anyone want to comment.

BottledWaterandFags Thu 25-Apr-13 15:24:35

I actually love Primark.

I really enjoy getting the train (no Primark where I live) and giving over a good three or four hours to rummaging, trying on, browsing, impulse buying.

I usually come home with three or four bags full of all manner of things and I rarely have to spend over £100.

Today, every single item I am wearing (apart from a bracelet and my bra) is from Primark. The whole ensemble cost me about £30.

I love asdas, matalan and tescos i'm too poor to be a snob grin i like good quality at low prices but primark can't provide that - i'm not even all that fussy but i have an odd body shape (tall, loooong body and when not pregnant i'm fat and wobbly like dough blush ) so it's hard to find half decent clothes at reasonable prices.

My odd body is the reason i live in leggings and dresses/long jumpers it's a pain but i foubt even if i was a normal shape i'd wear most of primark as it's so badly shaped and stitched.

CherylTrole Thu 25-Apr-13 15:56:06

Excellent point Mrs D can just see the post in Chat " PLEASE help me! I have found something in my home with a Primark label on it. What have I done to deserve this? My DD knows she is not allowed to go there" Haaaaaa <<pictures MN mummas taking to the Primark labels with scissors>>

gazzalw Thu 25-Apr-13 15:59:56

There is a place for Primark in everyone's wardrobes and especially those of savvy teens, who need to make a 'show' with Hollister, Cath Kidston, Jack Wills etc.... whilst having a few understated (read: cheap) essentials from places such as Primark!

allmycats Thu 25-Apr-13 16:05:02

Not all of their items are crap, some are actually well made and good value, in the same way a lot of 'designer' clothing is poorly made polyester 'emperors new clothes' tat. Where ever you shop you need to look at the finish/cut of the garment and consider the price you are paying.

Some times my local store is hellish and other times, especially midweek in the moring it is quiet. I have never, however , found it be dirty. In fact the polished floor is so highly polished it is like a bloody skating ring.

Ethics on the high street are a whole new thread !

I agree with another poster that its the only place I get trousers for my long skinny son, and hes growing out of them, so I'm going to have to go soon.

I went to a branch in Somerset last summer (we had forgot towels for our camping trip), and it was like John Lewis!!!! Clean, tidy, well lit, organised and nice staff - I felt like I was in some sort of parrallel universe after the usual hell of a London Primark!

expatinscotland Thu 25-Apr-13 16:33:35

I love Primark. And Tesco, Matalan and ASDA. I am a chav.

I don't mind it. Except the one in Manchester. On a Saturday, while hungover.

Several mumsnetters and I wandered aimlessly into one in a vague search for some tights. Never a-fucking-gain.

VodkaJelly Thu 25-Apr-13 16:51:14

My nephew worked in Primark, he said that when the shop closed in the evenings the place looked like a bomb had gone off, clothes all over the floor, hangers on the floor, tags everywhere.

He had never seen anything like it before.

I dont really shop there, as others have said the sizing is really weird and what ever I buy in my size doesnt really fit or is too tight.

usualsuspect Thu 25-Apr-13 17:00:26

The sizing is odd,but I still buy nearly all my clothes from there or Asda. I'm very classy me.

VodkaJelly Thu 25-Apr-13 17:04:43

Usualsuspect, I buy 90% of my clothes from Asda and the other 10% from New Look or Select. I am not posh, I am poor and skint

Sparklingbrook Thu 25-Apr-13 17:16:31

I think Matalan's stuff is lovely. Is that ok? <worries>

VodkaJelly Thu 25-Apr-13 17:45:43

I love Matalan too Sparklingbrook, we can be chav's together

Sparklingbrook Thu 25-Apr-13 17:49:09

Brilliant, thanks Vodka. smile

valiumredhead Fri 26-Apr-13 10:19:41

Primark is great but it completely depends which store you go to. Our one has escalators, is huge and really civilised, the one near where I used to live was like shopping in Gran Theft Auto.

Quality is good and same as other high street shops, anyone who says otherwise probably hasn't been.

FairOfFaceButFullOfWoe Fri 26-Apr-13 13:59:38

Try working there! I get treated like shit all day by rude customers who think that 'its only primark' and I don't deserve any respect or common curtesy. Go out of my way to help people and get looked down on. Lovely.

Sparklingbrook Fri 26-Apr-13 14:00:14

Oh no Fair. sad

Saski Fri 26-Apr-13 14:14:11

I bought some underwear at Primark once. It wasn't great quality.

I buy nearly all my kids' clothes used (Ebay) - both of my boys wear them, then I give them to goodwill. There is no way that Primark clothes could be handed down several times. Maybe I'd consider it if I didn't rely upon hand-me-downs, but for me it's a false economy.

ProfessorDent Fri 26-Apr-13 14:25:28

I have to disagree, the Primark in Oxford St near Tottenham Court Road is okay. I can pick up some chinos for around £8; in M&S they'll be £25 and rather than have the Brian Cox look, they'll have the Alan Titschmarsh or David Attenborough vibe, where everything on the rack is 38in waist.

That said, recent news about the factory deaths has made me consider just how they get their clothing at such low price levels.

A fashion insider I know says she can't buy cloth wholesale for Primark retail garment prices, in many cases. Their suppliers must be doing something very unusual.

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