Tbh I don't care If I am, some parents need to get a grip

(351 Posts)
WildThongIWannaKnowForSure Mon 22-Apr-13 17:58:12

I give you A-Jay, Charlidh, Ameiliah, Blaiyre, Boudicca, Blu-rayne, Foozy, Deztany-Rose, Madison-Bluebell

My favourite is Wyntrr. They could at least have added an h to the end though.

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Twitterqueen Mon 22-Apr-13 18:01:44

Are you serious? Really! OMG....

KingscoteStaff Mon 22-Apr-13 18:03:51

Not to mention Anuoluwapojojo.l

treas Mon 22-Apr-13 18:07:38

YABU about Boudicca - at least it is a proper name, although not one I would consider.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm Mon 22-Apr-13 18:07:55

In a house last week, kids called, and I kid you not, Ashanti and Jay-z. Both parents white.confused

BetsyBoob Mon 22-Apr-13 18:07:58

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

shock

My MIL tells the story of when she was a registrar, a girl came in and was registering little Enrique, and when MIL was checking the spelling, the girl got out a CD to double check she had written it right. grin

5318008 Mon 22-Apr-13 18:11:03

tbf I am pissed off that your link downloaded straight to my laptop without asking if I wanted to, thanks for that angry

do you have a link that doesn't do that, for other folks, please?

CloudsAndTrees Mon 22-Apr-13 18:11:10

Oh dear. That list is sad.

Tee2072 Mon 22-Apr-13 18:12:38

It asked me if I wanted to save it, 5318008. Perhaps it's your browser settings?

manicinsomniac Mon 22-Apr-13 18:13:21

Anuoluwapojojo will be a name from a particular culture or country and probably has a prefix part to it which it very common (I've taught a lot of Olu........ long 4,5 or 6 syllable names (eg Oluwakorede, Oluwatoni), the Olu bit means something and all those names are, I think, Nigerian in origin)

And I actually quite like Madison-Bluebell. I doubt she's ever called anything but Madison, the hyphen's just a bit superfluos.

I'm all for creative name choices. Creative spelling makes me twitch a bit but the odd seeming ones are valid more often than you'd think.

BegoniaBampot Mon 22-Apr-13 18:14:49

Thingsthatmakeyougo - i know two kids with names like that with white parents. The kids are adopted from a very troubled background with severe neglect and abuse - they probably get loads of folk sneering as well.

Pobblewhohasnotoes Mon 22-Apr-13 18:15:18

Five baby Barbaras. Five??

manicinsomniac Mon 22-Apr-13 18:17:50

btw - where did you get that link? The ONS only includes name that were given to 3 or more babies for privacy reasons doesn't it? This link has all the names given to only 1 child. And I've never seen it highlight dead children before, that's really sad somehow, even just seeing him/her as a name on a spreadsheet sad

Groovee Mon 22-Apr-13 18:18:06

I thought a child was Ellie at nursery. But it was spelled LA.

Charlidh could be the Gaelic version. I get a lot of digs for having an Eilidh!

There are some ridiculous spellings there. It's just not necessary. S is a perfectly nice letter and does not need be randomly replaced by Z!

Never seen it highlight dead babies before but the Scottish stats have gone down to single names for years.

WildThongIWannaKnowForSure Mon 22-Apr-13 18:20:51

It's the Scotgov stats for 2012, public records manic

manicinsomniac Mon 22-Apr-13 18:26:22

ok, thanks. I didn't realise Scotland had a separate list.

Niceteeth Mon 22-Apr-13 18:27:22

Anuoluwapo is a Nigerian name (yoruba) meaning 'God's mercy is great'. Its actually my cousin's name and we call her Anu for short. I think it's a beautiful name, actually!!

MoodyDidIt Mon 22-Apr-13 18:28:49

think i have told this before

i once worked as a medical receptionist and someone came in with their 2 toddlers, a "T-Jay" (spelt exactly like that,) and his brother "Migell" (said exactly how it reads) and i am sure its cos his mum didnt know how to spell "Miguel " grin

iZombie Mon 22-Apr-13 18:30:47

I encountered a 'Maddysyn' on Friday. I was speechless.

MoodyDidIt Mon 22-Apr-13 18:30:58

and a mate of mine SWEARS she once heard of a child called "Silloumeh" or "Silloumie"

she was in asda a shop and the mum shouted to said child "SILLOUMEHHH!!! GET THE FUCK OFF THEM BISCUITS!! NAHHHHH!!"

grin

SoftKittyWarmKitty Mon 22-Apr-13 18:32:31

Are you telling me that there are two baby boys in Scotland called A? Really? A?

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Apr-13 18:34:18

So what?

Really.

There a thousands of names that I don't like. I may even think some are silly. Some of those names may even be attached to the children of MNers who think they are lovely.

Good for them.

I have more respect for someone who chooses a name they like, they think is pretty than those who start bizarre threads on here asking 'should I name my baby xxxx?' 'is it ok to name my DD xxxxx?' 'Please help me! I have a XXXXX and a XXXX what name can I have for DC3 that goes with them both'

hmm and a confused

WTAF is that all about?

WaynettaSlobsLover Mon 22-Apr-13 18:34:22

Pmsl at Moody's tale grin

noblegiraffe Mon 22-Apr-13 18:35:00

5 Borys and only 1 Boris??

SoftKittyWarmKitty Mon 22-Apr-13 18:35:15

Just spotted Ocean-Raine grin.

tabulahrasa Mon 22-Apr-13 18:35:28

'and a mate of mine SWEARS she once heard of a child called "Silloumeh" or "Silloumie"'

That's be Salome, surely?

I feel sorry for Summar and Meaddow

YoniRanger Mon 22-Apr-13 18:37:28

My DD is Maddison-Ane. I feel a bit bad now but it never occurred to me that it would be considered that odd hmm

SherbetVodka Mon 22-Apr-13 18:38:44

I know it's wrong and snto judge

Weegiemum Mon 22-Apr-13 18:40:19

I once had a class with 4 boys names pronounced the same.

That would be Calum, Callum, Kallum and Kalumm.

I kid you not!

The next year I had a Lily, a Lilly, a Lillie and a Llillie (welsh? Apparently so!).

YoniOrNotYoni Mon 22-Apr-13 18:40:20

Moody, was it Salome?

SherbetVodka Mon 22-Apr-13 18:40:44

Oops! Was going to say I know it's wrong and snobby to judge but I can't help it. I hate, hate, hate misspelled names. They look ugly and set my teeth on edge. I do know I'm in the wrong though.

I know of a baby called Zorro.

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Apr-13 18:42:14

Borys is a legitimate spelling afaik. Its just not an English one.

I work with a lot of Eastern European children and they tend to have traditional 'English' names but they are spelled in a way that is snorted at on MN.

Ditto the sniggering at Lucky, Blessing, Attractive, Precious etc. All perfectly normal African names.

LifeofPo Mon 22-Apr-13 18:45:58

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Apr-13 18:46:23

I also remember someone in virtual hysterics at Hebe.
Because that is a plant's name.
It is in Sussex. In Morocco its a girl's name too hmm

I am possibly the least well traveled MN so I am hardly what you would call sophisticated. It always surprises me how many non-English name are laughed at on these threads.

But I don't see the big deal about parents picking name they like rather than the ones on the official MN list either

I KNOW, I KNOW I am a big ol spoil sporty grumpy pants but this subject never fails to wind me up.

So ner grin

bigbuttons Mon 22-Apr-13 18:47:17

A teacher friend once told me she had a child in her class whose name was written down as guy. Perfectly normal name indeed, except his parents had liked the spelling of the name with no knowledge of how to properly pronounce it. He was called gooey. Like gooey sponge pudding.

Moomoomie Mon 22-Apr-13 18:47:28

I have three (adopted) daughters, all with unusual names, and names I would not have chosen. But it is their name, their identity.
I really don't care what anybody thinks about their names. I have enough to worry about looking after 3 emotionally, physically and organically brain damaged children. Go figure.

I know of an African child called Miracle - because her birth (and survival) was one. Everybody will have preferences of course and I don't like names being spelt 'wrong' out of ignorance or misunderstandings BUT a rose by any other name would smell as sweet etc etc,

Ashoething Mon 22-Apr-13 18:48:16

You can try and be as pc about it as you like but most kids with these kinds of names-celebrity led,odd spelling etc-will come from families that are in the lowest socio-economic group so they will be judged. Many teachers admit they judge kids solely by their names-one told me she dreads having a conor or a Dylan in her class!

I know a family with a child named Nevada-the siblings also have VERY unusual names but if I named them would probably out me! They are a lovely family but I bet the dcs will be judged all their lives because of the names the parents have saddled them with.

4 ways of spelling....

katgerine cargerine kathryn Cathryn katharine.

ooh wait that's 5

what about
eleanor elinor elena helena elenore...

alison allison alyson...

IllegalYoniFarm Mon 22-Apr-13 18:50:24

Surely the one child called Joesph is a typo... Surely?!

noblegiraffe Mon 22-Apr-13 18:52:40

I wasn't sneering at Borys, I was just genuinely surprised that it was 5 times as popular as Boris.

tabulahrasa Mon 22-Apr-13 18:52:52

'eleanor elinor elena helena elenore...'

I don't pronounce Elena or Helena anything like Eleanor? (or the other spellings)

manicinsomniac Mon 22-Apr-13 18:54:38

Ashoe - I work in a home counties private school and have taught both a Conor and a Dylan. Both lovely boys. One Irish, one Welsh. Why would teachers dread those names??

I love Madison. We wanted to name our DD1 that, but my now exSIL snuck in (tbf, we never told her we wanted that throughout my pregnancy, he gave birth two months before me) and has a beautiful Maddie. I was surprised Saima was so low, there are six Saima's in my DD2's year (all are Pakistani, I think) and t seems quite common? I quite like Madison-Bluebell, it's pretty and everyone will know her as Madison anyone, so it doesn't.matter much. I have a friend with a DS called Camryn. I would have spelt it the more traditional version, but who cares? Camryn is just as unique as Jago which seems to pop up a bit on Baby Names. And I don't like hundreds of names, I think loads if names are silly, but I'm not telling, I'm not saying and I'm not going to say 'I think X isn't a good name.'

But why is it necessary to take what might be a fairly normal name and give it a "cool" spelling that the child will be stuck with? Why Alixx and Jaxxon for example? Or Ameeliah?

and I'm sorry but Jazzlyn-Mari, really? Deimante? And Boo will be an adult one day

MrsKoala Mon 22-Apr-13 18:57:45

ooohh I love Salome. If i ever have a girl it's defo on my list.

I have recruited loads of African women called Lovely, Precious, Pretty etc as well as hundreds of women called Olu and Anu with something really long to follow. Totally normal where i work/lived.

People often comment on ds's name for being 'unusual', i'm sure some people sneer inside when they hear it, but we just love it. Altho i think any same shouted down a supermarket aisle with expletives attached sounds horrendous. I did once hear 'Sigourney' being bellowed in a shopping centre and thought, wow - such a specific name of one particular actress must be difficult. I know that it feels a bit, as when i was about 20 a very popular tv show had a character with my unusual name, and still whenever i introduce myself people say 'what, like x'.

manicinsomniac Mon 22-Apr-13 18:59:59

unique - you should try some of the baby name games on www.sporcle.com

Most of them are from America and when you try ones like 'the top 300 Baby girls names beginning with K in 2011' the number of spelling possibilities are endless:
Kaylee, Kaylei, Kaylea, Kayle, Kayli, Kaylie, Kayleigh, Kaile, Kailee, Kailea, Kailey, Kaileagh, Kaley, Kalee, Kalie, Kaleigh, Kalea.

Katelyn, Katelynn, Katelin, Katelinn, Kaitlyn, Kaitlynn, Kaitlin, Kaitlinn, Kaetlyn, Kaetlynn, Kaetlin, Katlyn, Katlynn, Katlin, Katlinn.

And you can do the same with numerous other letters. Hours of fun!

Ashoething Mon 22-Apr-13 19:00:05

My first dc was called Conor manic-but sadly he died. I think its a lovely name-obviously! but my friend said all the ones she has taught have been...challenging! I know 3 Dylans and tbh they are pretty naughty-in a small boy way of course.

AllAboutFlavour Mon 22-Apr-13 19:01:10

In ten years I have taught one lovely Connor. All the others have been terrors. Same with Dylan. I've never taught a well behaved Kyle or Cameron. Doesn't mean they don't exist, and I don't prejudge class lists before I meet them.

ArtemisatBrauron Mon 22-Apr-13 19:02:05

The badly "alternative" spellings of names make me cringe. Abbiegayle? Khrysteen? Blayke? Really? It's ugly and illiterate. No apologies for judging that.

But actually, the unusual but correctly spelled names (Olympia etc) I have seen in very posh families too, so not such an indicator of low socio-economic status as MN seems to decree!

ArtemisatBrauron Mon 22-Apr-13 19:02:27

badly spelled ffs.

Well DD's name (Brady) featured as one of the unusual names, as only 1 child of each gender was named it. I'm surprised I always thought it was unusual but not that unusual.

currentbuns Mon 22-Apr-13 19:03:46

There is a little girl at dd's nursery called Ruby Tuesday.

I agree MrsDeVere. My children have Russian Inuit names because DH is. Sorry for naming my children according to our family, our history, our heritage. Someone laughed at Sahiththiyah as a name today. Sorry if no one likes it, but it's the pretty name of DS' five year old best friend ever and happens to be Tamil. If you came over to DH's home, with a kid named Louis would be considered unusual. I'm amazed at how it seems acceptable to think names can be commented in in such a rude way- politely going 'well, it's not my personal choice but I you love it....' Whether they are traditional names from different cultures or a name with a different spellings or whatever.

Scottishtanguera Mon 22-Apr-13 19:07:05

I have a fairly ordinary name that has about 4 options spelling-wise, like the examples above, and it drives me insane having to spell it for people so why anyone would choose an alternative spelling or an unusual name for their kids is something I've never understood. They must have had a very dull name and thought they would make up for it or something...

That aside, I think these sorts of names are pretentious and idiotic but each to their own.

A bit blush at it being a Scottish list though...!

MrsKoala Mon 22-Apr-13 19:08:35

Artemis is also on my list of girls names smile

SherbetVodka Mon 22-Apr-13 19:08:47

ooohh I love Salome. If i ever have a girl it's defo on my list.

It is lovely but she'd be nicknamed Salami...

I think Sigourney is a beautiful name. Wouldn't dare use it though.

ArtemisatBrauron Mon 22-Apr-13 19:08:56

Theherringscreams it's totally different having a name from a different culture and having a name that is deliberately mis-spelled to be "cool" or "different". How "cool" will a 35 year old called AbbieGayle feel?
I teach a child with a lovely and very unusual African name - no-one is judging him, it's the illiteracy and selfishness of the "Bo-Laci-Star" brigade that I can't abide. It's cute when they are newborns, but what about when they are trying to be taken seriously at work?

noblegiraffe Mon 22-Apr-13 19:09:36

Tamil names are usually awesomely long, I wonder what they make of Ben or Kate.

TheFallenMadonna Mon 22-Apr-13 19:09:50

I've been teaching long enough to know it would be mightily foolish to prejudge a name. The only names I dread are the ones where I can't tell of it's a boy or a girl, and it's not always immediately obvious with all year 7s...

I ask for set lists with info on students' sex.

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Apr-13 19:10:43

No ashoe they will be judged because of the small mindedness of certain individuals.

And what the flip has any of this got to do with PC confused

big that is an urban myth. Like La -

Its just another way of sneering at the plebs and in the USA particularly these urban myths are most often aimed at African Americans.

noblegiraffe Mon 22-Apr-13 19:12:37

Yes, Fallen, I remember the embarrassment of looking at the register at Courtney, asking if anyone knew where she was as a very male Courtney approached me to apologise for being late.

tabulahrasa Mon 22-Apr-13 19:13:01

'Theherringscreams it's totally different having a name from a different culture and having a name that is deliberately mis-spelled to be "cool" or "different". How "cool" will a 35 year old called AbbieGayle feel?'

Well what about names like Danyal or Hari? Where they have no etymology in common, they just happen to be similar to English names...

YouTheCat Mon 22-Apr-13 19:14:53

I think Ruby Tuesday is a brilliant name. grin

We had a kid at school whose name was pronounced 'Shit' - I have no idea what country he was from or how it was spelled but his teacher asked his parents if he had another name for use in school.

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Apr-13 19:14:56

Why is it assumed that the working classes chose names because they are desperate to be cool or different? Perhaps they like the way the names look and sound.

Maybe the Gucci namers are being aspirational but if they are so are the Hector namers. In their own ways.

One is beyond the pale on MN, the other is perfectly acceptable.

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Apr-13 19:15:14

yy to Ruby Tuesday being a lovely name.

SherbetVodka Mon 22-Apr-13 19:16:12

I'm amazed at how it seems acceptable to think names can be commented in in such a rude way- politely going 'well, it's not my personal choice but I you love it....'

Do you mean people commenting directly to you in real life? If that's the case, I agree it's very rude! I don't see anything wrong with discussing names you like or dislike online though.

GreenShadow Mon 22-Apr-13 19:16:45

My first (relatively 'normal') name doesn't even feature on the list.... sad

Bobyan Mon 22-Apr-13 19:16:50

Should I be pleased or ashamed that my dc's names appeared once and three times respectively...?

AuchAyethenoo Mon 22-Apr-13 19:17:56

I agree manic, I ended up having to read the entire list to give a sort of tribute to all those little stars.

(I'm not nuts, I do this to on remembrance days at our local children's hospice)

ArtemisatBrauron Mon 22-Apr-13 19:19:24

Danyal is a variant of Daniel, surely?
Danyal \d(a)-
nyal, dan-yal\ as a boy's name is a variant of Daniel (Hebrew), and the meaning of Danyal is "God is my judge".

And Hari is a distinct name from Hindu/Sikh culture (a name of the god called Vishnu), not a corruption of Harry.

Obviously there are going to be names that cross cultures, I'm talking about names which are not from another culture but are spelt differently simply to be "interesting"....

SoupDragon Mon 22-Apr-13 19:20:57

5318008 That isn't the fault of the OP's link.

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Apr-13 19:21:27

sherbet there is a real difference between discussing names you don't like and people sneering and making huge assumptions about a family because of a name.

I think some people must just live in bubbles. Where I live, which is a certain part of East London, if you got given the class list I'm sure half of you would have a fit. I don't know how to pronounce or spell most of the names I encounter.

I know that some of the other parents think our DC's names are very strange. What with them being called things like Jack.

If you are the only child with a name that isn't in the top 100 or whatever group all the parents at the school you will feel self-conscious if your name is Jago or Kyelen/ Ariadne or Chardonnay.

I do hate this idea that names make you superior or that the child will automatically suffer. A child I know called a name that would be sneered at by mn is loved by his peers and loves his name because its really 'cool'. The only person I know who hates their name is called Elizabeth.

5madthings Mon 22-Apr-13 19:22:03

I have a Dylan who is a starcaccording to his teachers, sweet, polite, works hard, is always helpful and a lovely boy eyc etc still a wee beast at home for me but his teachers have never had a bad word to say about him.

Ds4has a 'gansta' name according to mnet...

Dd's name is generally liked but a few have said its too cheerful/merry... Meh we chose names we liked.

SherbetVodka Mon 22-Apr-13 19:22:47

Maybe the Gucci namers are being aspirational but if they are so are the Hector namers. In their own ways.

Definitely. It's just a different aesthetic. I'm sure that many 'Gucci namers' dismiss the more middle class names as being posh or dull.

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Apr-13 19:22:55

Wot tig said

With Belles on.

grin

MrsKoala Mon 22-Apr-13 19:22:58

*ooohh I love Salome. If i ever have a girl it's defo on my list.

It is lovely but she'd be nicknamed Salami...*

Ha! that would be great. People my mum and nieces often accidentally call ds 'Lasagne'. So then we'd have the starter and main course. We'd have to have Zabaglione next to complete the meal, or maybe a little Dolcelatte. smile

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Apr-13 19:25:19

Also sherbet mc approved names often drift into the ones that make a lot of MNers go all hmm

grin

Chelsea
Sydney
Charlie
Alfie
Albie

etc.

YoniMaroney Mon 22-Apr-13 19:27:53

Wynter-Rose?

Tea?

MrsKoala Mon 22-Apr-13 19:28:52

There was a girl in my year called Kameljit. Unfortunately everyone, including teachers, pronounced it Camel Shit. I felt so sorry for her.

And can I just add as I'm in full ranty PMT flow that all the BOLLOCKS about Alfie, Eddie, Charlie, Mollie, Harry, Daisy etc being

1). Nicknames/ Not 'proper' names suitable for the much revered birth certificate

and

2). Not being names of adults.

Is just that, bollocks. I don't know if I do inhabit an alternate universe, but, for my entire forty years, and looking back doing historical research and genealogy work, there have been people with just those type of names as their official name and adults who use those names. My solicitor is called Harry, not Henry, Harry. My builder is called Archie, he's 54. Both are their only names.

SherbetVodka Mon 22-Apr-13 19:30:18

Yes Mrs De Vere, faux working class good (Alfie), real working class bad (Jayden) grin

Fakebook Mon 22-Apr-13 19:32:01

I like Maksymilian. Someone paid attention during phonics class.

xigris Mon 22-Apr-13 19:32:39

Bigbuttons I've got a midwife friend who told me that exact same story! weird!

ArtemisatBrauron Mon 22-Apr-13 19:35:05

I think this is where my grammar/spelling pedantry takes over, I have no issues with any names at all except those which are essentially misspellings of well-known names. They make my toes curl. Personal reaction, but totally instinctive.

Also cannot imagine why anyone would bother - the name will sound the same anyway (e.g. Abigail/AbbyGayle, Christine/Khrysteen) and the child will spend their life correcting people who try to spell it the usual way.

stealthsquiggle Mon 22-Apr-13 19:36:44

Hebe is as valid a name as Poppy, Rose, or Lily - more so, in fact, as she is also the Greek goddess of eternal youth.

I do wonder about strange spellings, though - why land a child with a name which sounds familiar but will still have to be spelt out to everyone, every time confused

DadOnIce Mon 22-Apr-13 19:40:05

It's surely time to link to this again.

Get a cup of tea first, and be ready to be there for a long time and have a very good laugh.

hesterton Mon 22-Apr-13 19:48:07

Deimante, linked by someone upthread is a Lituanian name. Borys is Polish.

I'm not very comfortable with name sneering but I love hearing the sheer variety of names we have. My favourite name encountered is Gumption. What a quality, what a name.

I've never understand why people over agonise about names.

ANd nowadays I much prefer Gucci to pretentious 3 names affairs .

manicinsomniac Mon 22-Apr-13 19:50:13

Ashoe I'm sorry sad I think Conor is a lovely name too and I'm sure it suits your baby boy perfectly. It was on my list if my first had been a boy (as was Dylan interestingly). Mind you, I did call her Savannah and that is vaire 'chavvy' according to MN.

clam Mon 22-Apr-13 19:51:17

xigris Yup, I've heard it too about Guy/gooey. Perhaps it's one of those urban myths.

marjproops Mon 22-Apr-13 19:51:59

some are ok. its the 'slebs' things Apple, Bluebell Madonna, peaches. etc etc.

and topical names depends on the era...remember when kylie and Jason were popular names?

KitchenandJumble Mon 22-Apr-13 19:54:56

I do think there is a difference between names that belong to a particular culture and names that have kree8ive spelling. I admit to rolling my eyes (uncharitably) at the latter if I see them in a newspaper or whatever. I wouldn't dream of commenting or drawing any conclusions about the individuals involved, but there are standard spellings of most names (including variations). Why not use them?

But I dislike a lot of very popular names and naming trends as well. I dislike the Freddie/Archie/Alfie/Charlie thing. And the last name as first name trend. And names that end in "son" for girls (Madison, Addison, etc.). These are personal preferences, of course. I'm quite sure that many people dislike my favourite names. Vive la difference.

SuffolkNWhat Mon 22-Apr-13 20:03:01

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Wannabestepfordwife Mon 22-Apr-13 20:04:57

I used to work in quite a well known store where we did ear piercing from a young age we had twin girls ebony and ivory who were as white as know, an elmo and ernie and if the mum had another boy she was going to call it bert. Then there were the usual dolce, Gemini and caprice.

The worst I've ever heard is dsis best friends parents owned a corner shop in a deprived part of time and this woman had named her daughter amphetamine, phet for short after her favourite drug

WildThongIWannaKnowForSure Mon 22-Apr-13 20:07:07

wannabe grin

I have heard of a baby called Sproggie, apparently the mother convinced her husbands family that it was a Maori word (and maybe it is) grin

Lilka Mon 22-Apr-13 20:18:11

I agree with Moomoomie I'm also an adoptive mother

My eldest child has a very rare name - so much so it doesn't even come up as a name on google. I wish I knew the origins of it. And my youngest came to me with an unusual name that is sniggered at. And my middly has an unusual middle name.

Do I give a crap? No. I didn't name them, but they're my kids and I love their names because that's who they are. And I'm too busy parenting my needy, mentally ill and brain damaged children to give a crap what anyone else thinks. Laughing at my kids names would say far more about you than it does about anyone else, especially them and I!

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Apr-13 20:37:25

I think people who take the piss out of names,especially when deciding that the owner of the name is a lower class person probably ought to recheck their own,because chances are they are quite unpleasant people who feel they have rather more class than they actually do have.

AlbertaCampion Mon 22-Apr-13 20:41:28

Oi! What's wrong with the name Boudicca? Is it frowned on in these parts. I love it.

Sunnywithshowers Mon 22-Apr-13 20:44:12

What sockreturningpixie said. It smacks of snobbery.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Apr-13 20:50:51

If it makes you feel better about yourself to take the piss out of childrens names then go right ahead.it makes you look like a twat in my eyes.

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Apr-13 20:58:02

Where have you BEEN usual!?

I have been waiting grin

Wannabestepfordwife Mon 22-Apr-13 20:58:11

usual and sock I don't think people were trying to be horrible about children's names just more surprised about the parents choices.

I have an unusual name myself and have heard every joke going but as an adult I love my name I much prefer it to something more traditional

TheBigJessie Mon 22-Apr-13 21:01:23

I'm relieved none of the poor things had my name!

lunar1 Mon 22-Apr-13 21:01:26

I really cant decide how to reply to this thread. DS2's name has appeared, I wasn't trying to be cool, or different, just trying to honour his heritage with a traditional name, spelled correctly to anyone who doesn't think the world ends at the English border.

marjproops Mon 22-Apr-13 21:01:50

Lilka good for you! well said.

I didnt get a choice, believe it or not, with DCs name, in fact shes known by all with her nickname which she prefers anyway. and I prefer too.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Apr-13 21:02:32

Haha MrsD. I only just saw this thread and have felt the rage reading it.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Apr-13 21:02:55

Haha MrsD. I only just saw this thread and have felt the rage reading it.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Apr-13 21:03:25

I was so enraged I posted twice

ApocalypseThen Mon 22-Apr-13 21:03:42

I think the problem is that some of the funky spellings for pretty normal names look illiterate, and that's why they're seen as a bit common.

jamdonut Mon 22-Apr-13 21:05:51

I know you shouldn't pre-judge on names, but the majority of Joshuas I have worked with have been right little terrors. My class teacher agrees, but finds it sad because her eldest DS is a Joshua!(But he is a lovely boy!)

I live in Colchester so YABU about Boudicca...at least it wasn't Boadicea grin

BabyMakesTheYoniGoStretchy Mon 22-Apr-13 21:09:40

Dc1's nickname is Bambi because when she was starting to walk all you could see was two skinny spindely legs smile .
I call her Bambi in public too,I'm sure people think that's actually her name grin .

landofsoapandglory Mon 22-Apr-13 21:15:36

I'm sorry and I hate myself for judging because some of my family members have unusual names, but there was a child named Brooke-Love! I really don't know what to say!

usualsuspect Mon 22-Apr-13 21:17:35

Brooke-love is a cool name

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

StuntGirl Mon 22-Apr-13 21:18:36

Yy to nicknames actually. My nickname is Pixie, someone somewhere has probably overheard it being used, rolled their eyes and thought "How common" grin

TheMNeffect Mon 22-Apr-13 21:19:51

Surely this was a mistake by the parents?

Benjamin = 138
Benjiman = 1 hmm

NeilPearsonsBitOnTheSide Mon 22-Apr-13 21:21:56

As far as I know the Guy/gooey thing is from Auf Wiedersehn pet. It's what Moxy's sister called her son. The lads ask him how it's spelled and he says G U Y.

Doubtfuldaphne Mon 22-Apr-13 21:22:31

I have encountered a baby kohlin. Yes that's Colin but spelled like the eyeliner.
I have also encountered a princess blue, winter, storm, Memphis and nemo

Startail Mon 22-Apr-13 21:23:24

4 stars grin

thegreylady Mon 22-Apr-13 21:28:00

I was a little taken aback to see the name Latrina on an American tv show recently. Maybe the word latrine isn't generally known in the USA.

Doubtfuldaphne Mon 22-Apr-13 21:30:03

There is a crighton!
Red dwarf is still popular then grin

Lorialet Mon 22-Apr-13 21:31:57

I thought this thread was mainly about the spelling, not the actual names, so I can't see why some people are getting so arsey. I mean, "Deztany-Rose" ~ there's just no excuse. And Blu-Rayne? What??

landofsoapandglory Mon 22-Apr-13 21:33:55

Dezstany-Rose! She is going to spend her whole life spelling her name for people!

eastegg Mon 22-Apr-13 21:35:59

Right, beat this.

L - a.

Pronounced Ledasha.

peeriebear Mon 22-Apr-13 21:37:25

I had Hebe circled in a baby names book and had given it to DH to look through. "HEEB?" he snorted in horror.

peeriebear Mon 22-Apr-13 21:37:50

URBAN MYTH eastegg, as covered upthread.

WildThongIWannaKnowForSure Mon 22-Apr-13 21:38:23

Op here, it was my intention to have a lighthearted josh about the creative spelling. No offence intended professional or otherwise smile

peeriebear Mon 22-Apr-13 21:40:12

Doubtful, Crighton/Creighton is a surname, Kryten is the android smile

Ashoething Mon 22-Apr-13 21:41:14

do you think brooke-love or destziny are destzined to be lawyers or doctors?:-)

That's an urban myth eastegg, and a nasty racist one at that.

WildThongIWannaKnowForSure Mon 22-Apr-13 21:44:46

Ashoe there was some panda-love going on in Edinburgh this week too!

Goldenbear Mon 22-Apr-13 21:44:59

I think the sneering goes both ways or even multiple ways though. You get it on MN all the the time- an anecdote about a parent who is deemed to be precious over something they are told they must have been in Waitrose and their child is called, 'Tarquin' or some such cliched bollocks. My DS has a name that people assume is aspirational, green wellie brigade when in fact it was chosen because it wasn't quintessentially 'English'. DP is Jewish and his grandparents were originally from Germany, DS's name is his great grandfather's second name. My DD similarly has what is deemed a MC name but again it was chosen to avoid being too 'English'. Her middle name is Esther, after her Jewish great grandmother.

manicinsomniac Mon 22-Apr-13 21:46:53

Le-a isn't real eastegg, it's from snopes

usual - I'm curious, do you draw a line anywhere or do you generally like/think are fine all names. I'd love to be as indiscriminating as that and I do like the majority of names but I can't quite get past odd spellings as acceptable (not culturally different ones but ones like Benjiman/Joesph and Lexxxi/Miikaylah). My problem I guess but I can't help feeling a bit sorry for the children.

Sunnywithshowers Mon 22-Apr-13 21:47:47

I seem to recall the last 'point and laugh at the silly names' thread was deleted.

do you think brooke-love or destziny are destzined to be lawyers or doctors?:-)

This illustrates exactly what I said above - it's just an excuse to laugh at people's choices. Snobbery and (in some cases) racism.

LalyRawr Mon 22-Apr-13 21:48:55

My parents made up my name. I like it!

I have a question, with certain names, how do you know what the 'right' spelling is? My DD is called Caitlin, pronounced 'Kate-Lin' (apparently this is chavvy, but i defy anyone to see my gorgeous daughter and call her a chav). Is that more or less acceptable than Katelin, or Katelyn, or many of the other variations?

Oh I think I also get extra MN judgey points for having a 'boys' name as her middle name.

WildThongIWannaKnowForSure Mon 22-Apr-13 21:52:00

Don't agree with you re racism and snobbery sunny, but that's what chat forums are all about I suppose?
I'll repeat, no offence intended from original op.

Ashoething Mon 22-Apr-13 21:53:46

it was a joke as indicated by the :-) and as for all the oh i dont judge bollocks-you judge and are judged every minute of the day.my dn is called kaiden.i dont like the name and think he will be judged on it but doesnt mean i dont love my dn.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Apr-13 21:54:42

I know many children with names sneered at on MN,I couldn't give a stuff how their names are spelt.They are just names to me.

usualsuspect Mon 22-Apr-13 21:56:06

It is snobbery and the sneering at a perfectly normal Hindu name on this thread is bordering on racist.

nothing wrong with Hebe.
its other name is Veronica

plant names see.
likeErica and Heather are interchangeable.

yy laly caitlin/kaitlyn/catelyn/cate-lynn (I've seen other spellings) is another example of acceptable alternatives to the same name.

like kayleigh/ceilidh/kayley etc.

jon/john
ian/iain
bert/burt
carl/karl
carol/carole
karen/karon/caron/karin

and a lot of spelling variations are because of coming from different languages (eleanor and katherine being good examples of that)

what about kerry/kerri/keri/ceri? all legitimate and all except Kerri are boy's names too.

eastegg Mon 22-Apr-13 21:58:50

I think the fact that I definitely know of someone with the name kind of disproves that it's an urban myth doesn't it?

Please explain how that is nasty and racist.

Linnet Mon 22-Apr-13 22:01:30

My dd2 has an unusual name and there was one on that list. Dd1 also has an unusual name, it was more unusual when she was born and has got a bit more popular since then, there are a couple of different ways to spell it too. I noticed there were 7 babies with her name, spelt her way, born last year.
there was even one baby with my name! poor baby, lol

WildThongIWannaKnowForSure Mon 22-Apr-13 22:02:47

Nope, and I didn't sneer at anyone's Hindu name either. Or call anyone a Twat. Im not perfect but neither am I self righteous or racist. Not having it, won't be bullied on a thread.
I'm offski.

ShellyBoobs Mon 22-Apr-13 22:03:12

How "cool" will a 35 year old called AbbieGayle feel

Cooler than the 'Abbighail' in that list would, I would think...

confused

eastegg: it's from an email that's been doing the rounds for years. snopes link here explains why it is racist.

This subject really pisses me off, mainly because I've had the hmm face at my DS' name with people assuming he has a stupid made up spelling of a "real" name.

FredFredGeorge Mon 22-Apr-13 22:07:25

Why does it matter if you know the sex of a child from the name if you're a teacher - surely you'll find out the sex when you actually meet the kid?

AltogetherAndrews Mon 22-Apr-13 22:09:06

The surname as first name thing isn't a recent trend in Scotland, it has been going on forever.

These threads make me feel a bit sad, my name is so unusual (now, not 200 years ago) that it doesn't make these lists at all. It would be nice to think that the piss taking stops once you are an adult, but apparently not.

SuffolkNWhat Mon 22-Apr-13 22:09:41

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BeaWheesht Mon 22-Apr-13 22:10:41

Dd's name is VERY unusual and ds's name is also unusual.

I suspect people judge us because they're a bit along the lines of hector but I've genuinely had ds's name picked out since I was a toddler! Dd's name was dh's choice . We are definitely not aspiration all type people - I don't mean we don't have ambition just that we aren't snobby or denying out working class roots.

I feel bad thinking someone might google their kids name and this thread will come up slating it. Not nice. Am shocked at the 'I've never taught a nice Kyle / Joshua / Dylan' comments - horrible . I'm amazed anyone would even even notice this!

BeaWheesht Mon 22-Apr-13 22:12:51

Aspirational!

Excuse typos!

SherbetVodka Mon 22-Apr-13 22:14:00

the fact that I definitely know of someone with the name

No, you don't hmm

TheFallenMadonna Mon 22-Apr-13 22:15:27

You'd think FredFredGeorge, but actually...

Year 7, short hair, trousers. Masculine looking girl, feminine looking boy. I've stumbled and hedged my bets more than once blush

And yes, getting the boy girl seating wrong makes it obvious.

manicinsomniac Mon 22-Apr-13 22:20:59

I absolutely love (but wouldn't ever dare use!):
Atlanta-Blush
Cherry-Blossom
Coco-Wren
Finlay-Mcintosh
February-Rose
Kenzie-Alexander
Ocean-Raine
Pagan-Willow

What does me stop and think about judging names on the England/Wales list is that this Scottish list specifies the names that were given to the babies that died and, as a group, some of them are so poignant and fitting -
Angel, Cinders, Hercules, Faith, Kacper, Grace, Lennon, Pip, Mercy, Zion, Nevaeh, Princess, RI Junior, Salve-Regina and Skye
It wouldn't be unusual to see judging comments about a little Cinders, Nevaeh or Salve-Regina. But now, thinking about the beautiful reasons that could be behind such a choice, it makes me ashamed.

yup surnames as names have been going on a very long time.
quite often it would be the mum's maiden name.

and if you look around graveyards, there used to be some names that you would take several double takes at these days.

MrsKoala Mon 22-Apr-13 22:24:27

aibu to now want to know what all your children are called? smile DH and i are thinking of names for the next dc and i am going to steal some of your good ideas. i am frightened of the baby naming board tho, last time i was over there i left crying!

The La-a story if like the 'Fen-mah-Lee' (Female) story that gets wheeled out on countless name threads.

Always a couple from an ethnic background misunderstanding the baby's name band and assuming that the nurse has named their baby Female.

Somebody always knows a midwife/sister/cousin that was on the ward at the time.
As if.

TheFallenMadonna Mon 22-Apr-13 22:27:42

There's a Horrible Histories sketch about odd names in a Victorian (I think) school.

MrsDeVere Mon 22-Apr-13 22:28:00

wild you are NOT be bullied. Don't be daft.
You didn't start this thread to be nasty but these threads always end the same way. People sneer, make assumptions and trot out the same old rubbish about La-sha, Gooey, Rubella and Clamydia.

And of course the MN classic 'High court judge' bollocks.

Or in this case Doctors.

Ironic really. Studies done on name prejudice have included people applying for medical schools and post grad placements.

These were done to study the affect of having a foreign name. Gasp, horror at the deep rooted prejudiced discovered by these studies.

Scroll on a few years and apparently its fine..nay understandable that people would hold prejudices against 'chavvy' names.

How is that ok?

I have 5 kids. All have names that would be sneered at on MN. Ask my 3 year old what he wants to be and he will tell you 'neurologist' , my 5 year old 'paediatric oncologist'. No lie.

Their bedtime reading is 'Inside my body' and a battered copy of Grey's Anatomy.

Fancy that! Dr Rudy and Dr Asher saving children's lives in 20 years time.
Maybe I should crush their silly dreams now and tell them to content themselves with the roles allotted to them by the power of MN

<big fat raspberry >

And yes, some names DO look illiterate. Maybe that is because the parents are functionally illiterate. In my world that doesn't make someone a bad person or a bad parent. I usually means they have been let down somewhere.

Feh-Mah-Lee

LalyRawr Mon 22-Apr-13 22:28:51

This thing about 'real' names. Wh decides what is a 'real' name and what is a fake(?) name? Surely as soon as someone is called it, it becomes a real name!

My name is completely and utterly made up. It's a derivative from another name, but did not exist until I was born and my parents called me it. If you google it, only results about me appear.

It isn't a 'real' name.

Yet when people ask me what my name is, I don't say 'I don't have one, but here is a made up word people call me and I respond to.'

My name is just as real as I am. Just as real as Benjiman, Foozy & Deztany.

You may not have heard it before, but it is real.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Apr-13 22:31:29

Why would you need a baby naming board.

Find a name you and dh love and use it don't let a judgemental prick rain on your parade after all chances are they would chose names you hate or could even be some weirdo who sits on their computer intentionally being unpleasant just because it amuses them.

EduCated Mon 22-Apr-13 22:32:00

I am surprised there are more Tulisas than Marys.

I must admit I do roll my eyes a bit at all of the earnest
"the name must take them from the classroom to the boardroom/courtroom/etc."

Rudy is an ace name MrsDV.

MrsKoala Mon 22-Apr-13 22:34:32

MrsDV Rudy and Asher are lovely. Defo going on my list smile

Some of the names that look illiterate aren't though.

SherbetVodka Mon 22-Apr-13 22:36:38

My name is completely and utterly made up. It's a derivative from another name, but did not exist until I was born and my parents called me it

When the Olympics were on, there was an athlete from brazil called Rosangela. I remember thinking how pretty that was.

MrsKoala Mon 22-Apr-13 22:38:54

if that's at me Sock, DH and have only ever agreed on 1 boys name, (my pregnancy was like a scene from rumpelstiltskin, with me listing names and dh saying no). i went on the board for a middle name idea and was bombarded with weirdness. i was heavily pregnant so quite hormonal. it hadn't occurred to me people would be so peculiar.

Chocoflump Mon 22-Apr-13 22:39:12

Lol!! Baby Justice!!

I love the sound of the name Melena, I think its beautiful. Sadly in my previous life as a ward nurse I was all too familiar with Malaena so it did spoil it for me.
All of those associations aside, I still think it's lovely.

hazeyjane Mon 22-Apr-13 22:40:12

Also MrsDeVere, he would have the namesake of Dr Rudy Tanzi - neurogeneticist extraordinaire (he also performed with Arrosmith!)

olgaga Mon 22-Apr-13 22:40:44

I think there will be a lot of people changing their names in about 20 years or so!

I bet their generation will be really radical and give their children names like Carol and Stephen.

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Apr-13 22:40:47

Always a couple from an ethnic background misunderstanding the baby's name band and assuming that the nurse has named their baby Female

Admission time 20 years ago when my dd was born she was delivered using a particular type of forceps.

On her tag on the fish tank they used to bung them in it said NB ( but full formal name of forceps not just initials)

Now my dd's dads surname was the same as the b in the name of the forceps and I freaked out thinking that perhaps in a drug addled state I had said call her N. until a nice nurse explained it to me blush

Sunnywithshowers Mon 22-Apr-13 22:43:35

wild you're not being racist / snobby - but some are...

IneedAsockamnesty Mon 22-Apr-13 22:44:37

It was koala just my way of saying bless its not nice that it made you cry gits.

MrsKoala Mon 22-Apr-13 22:46:54

oh and in the end ds's middle name was named after the obstetrician who yanked him out. 14 days overdue and 3 days of labour, Clement seemed so apt - it certainly felt fucking merciful! smile

TheFallenMadonna Mon 22-Apr-13 22:48:29

My ankle tag in hospital when I was born said "Forceps Surname". As my then surname also began with F, my mum thought it had a certain ring to it.

Turniphead1 Mon 22-Apr-13 22:49:03

Cinders is a favourite from the list. Only 1 though!

Turniphead1 Mon 22-Apr-13 22:51:36

Manicinsomniac - I loved Coco-wren too!

HugoBear Mon 22-Apr-13 22:57:07

Its funny how more people seem to be picking names to make their children unique now, when because of the internet its probably better to have a similar name to many other people so you aren't as easily findable (is that a word??)

Chocoflump Mon 22-Apr-13 22:58:04

A boy called Goodluck!! gringrin

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Mon 22-Apr-13 22:59:51

These threads always have a few amusing examples of people coming on to sneer at a name, and not actually realising what what the name is, or how to pronounce it.

'Silloumie' for example, more than likely actually being Salome.

Guy - another example. I can imagine that Guy pronounced in some French accents may well come out sounding a bit like Gooey.

It just makes people look ignorant.

I am a name traditionalist, and I fully admit that I do internally judge some names as ridiculous and cringe at some spellings, but likewise, I do know I am wrong to do so.

Having said that, I do feel that some parents are perhaps not paving an easy way for their children with some name choices. Especially in a class-ridden society like the UK. People are judged on their names, and there's only too many situations in life when an, um, particularly unfortunate name has serious potential to hold you (generic) back. Or at least not smooth the way.

AlbertoFrog Mon 22-Apr-13 23:00:36

I have a name that is very unusual, not helped by my mother changing the spelling of it. I've only ever met one other person with the same name (but with the normal spelling).

Every time I meet someone new they get my name wrong and I have to either correct them, spelling it out, or just answer to the name they think I'm called.

I go between loving my unusual name and getting peed off at my mother.

Doesn't stop me sniggering at other daft names though.

There are sisters near me called Armani and Versace McLatchie grin

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

PimpMyHippo Mon 22-Apr-13 23:12:54

I love the idea of naming a child after a quality you wish for them to have in their life, like Happiness or Peace, or one that says something nice about them like Precious or Beloved. How lovely would it be to be telling your child something so positive and uplifting every time you said their name? smile

PurpleThing Mon 22-Apr-13 23:25:33

YY to everything that MrsDeVere has said.

The sneering about names is one of the few things that I really feel uncomfortable about on here. It is racist to laugh at names that come from different cultures or are spelt differently in different countries. Agree also that if someone can't spell it shouldn't make them (or their child hmm) an object of ridicule.

RhondaJean Mon 22-Apr-13 23:29:36

Pocahontas mcginty is alive and well in Glasgow. Truly.

I looked and there was one little girl called the same as dd2, also one little boy, two baby girls with the same name as dd1 and 69 little boys, so I succeeded in the androgyny then! One baby called DHs traditional and not very trendy right now first name, three little boys called our second name, and not one rhonda.

Not one.

olgaga Mon 22-Apr-13 23:30:59

DonDraper yes I thought that about Guy, the French pronunciation is "Gee" (as in bee) but it can sound like "Gui".

I have read the Guy/gooey story more than once, so it is either more common than we think - or an urban myth.

RhondaJean Mon 22-Apr-13 23:33:35

I think that's lovely too pimp.

Sometimes there is a comedy element in the juxtaposition of first and second names though, or even in the way they sound together (the legendary Orson Cart anyone?)

wonderstuff Mon 22-Apr-13 23:40:26

I love Asher, really wanted it for my DCD, dh wasn't keen. Ruby Tuesday is fabulous. I do feel for kids with really really out there spellings. I once taught a Zimbabwean girl called Wayne, you can imagine her parents thinking it was unusual, sounded nice, how were they to know they would end up in the UK, and it really would cause their dd such grief, poor kid.

I have a Dylan, I had no idea it was common amongst spirited boys! I know a lovely Connor too!

YouTheCat Mon 22-Apr-13 23:41:11

I met a grandma in Boots baby changing many many years ago and her gdd was called Precious. I thought it was a lovely name and told her so.

Also my dm (long dead now) used to call my dd 'Precious' and so dm became known as Grandma Precious to dd. smile

KitchenandJumble Mon 22-Apr-13 23:55:52

People get so upset on threads like this. I can certainly understand reacting negatively to prejudice and snobbery. When people say things like "I've never met a nice Dylan", does that mean they will actively dislike any future child with this name? Well, I would hope not. It is unquestionable that name prejudice exists. A study was done a few years ago in the US in which virtually identical resumes were sent to companies with job openings. Applicants with names that sounded "neutral" (not recognizably part of any ethnic group) were much more likely to be called for interviews than those with names that appeared to be part of certain minority groups. Very sobering stuff.

What I don't understand is why anyone cares whether other people like their children's names. I don't like certain trends. I don't care how long the last name as first name trend has been around (not very long in my part of the world, FWIW). I don't like it. I don't like nicknames used as full names. I don't like cutesy names for girls (Fifi Trixibelle and the like). I don't like "creative" spelling of names. But so what? Why does anyone care what other people think of their children's names, when it is merely personal preference? NMS, as they say on some baby name boards (not my style).

SomethingOnce Mon 22-Apr-13 23:59:20

Complete agree, MrsDV, and I will admit to eye rolling at Ottos and Jagos as much as Nevaehs.

SomethingOnce Tue 23-Apr-13 00:01:08

Not at the children themselves, obv, the names.

And only in the abstract.

SueDoku Tue 23-Apr-13 00:02:29

Well, I've just come across a student whose name is Le-a and is pronounced Ledasha..........

scarletsalt Tue 23-Apr-13 00:13:51

No you haven't sue, someone else has already done that one I am afraid so everyone knows you are bullfighting.

Mrs DV what are you talking about - Asher is the name of the moment over on Baby Names!

SomethingOnce Tue 23-Apr-13 00:16:06

It's interesting how much longer the girls name list is than the boys.

KitchenandJumble Tue 23-Apr-13 00:27:08

scarletsalt, bullfighting? That is one of the funniest autocorrects I've ever seen. grin

scarletsalt Tue 23-Apr-13 00:37:13

Oh, I didn't even notice, it was supposed to bullshitting!

KitchenandJumble Tue 23-Apr-13 00:53:03

I thought so. But I like "bullfighting" so much I think it should become MN lingo for "bullshitting."

So we could all write things like, "That troll in Relationships was really bullfighting." I love it!

And then "matador" could be the new word for troll.

pickledginger Tue 23-Apr-13 00:59:42

Why have they released the names that were only used once? The ONS have a cut off of 3 to protect privacy.

pickledginger Tue 23-Apr-13 01:04:01

From the ONS site

'Names with a count of 2 or less have been redacted using S40 of the Freedom of Information Act in order to protect the confidentiality of individuals.'

Why hasn't the Scottish equivalent done this?

AuntieVenom Tue 23-Apr-13 01:07:53

I met a woman that I thought was called Ledasha.
Turns out I'd misheard and the woman was called Lida Shah! blush

TheCatInTheHairnet Tue 23-Apr-13 01:45:20

Going back a few pages but I know a Love in rl, and if she doesn't end up ruling the world, I don't know who will. My all time fave rl name? Piper Sunshine.

I wish I'd been more brave with my kids' traditional names tbh.

SolomanDaisy Tue 23-Apr-13 07:41:38

I don't think 'borderline racist' quite covers it Usual. Open sneering at foreign names is pretty clearly right over that line.

cory Tue 23-Apr-13 07:56:58

The only Asher I know is doing a PhD in a highly specialised subject. Shall I tell him to lay off it because his name is against him?

cory Tue 23-Apr-13 08:07:03

Mumsnetters must be incredibly well educated to know at a glance which spelling of Christine or Catherine is a fancy mis-spelling and which is chavvy pretentiousness. I have a nodding acquaintance with some 8 or 10 European languages and I couldn't do it.

MrsDeVere Tue 23-Apr-13 08:15:45

I met a lady called Merlin Hollywood many years ago.
I was open mouthed with jealousy!

Talking of sneering at forrin names...I got some hmm looks from an Asian lady because of my Asher. She said it was a girl's name. I think she meant Asha.

Anyhoo, she was rude so I went like this hmm back at her.

I also love 'bullfighting'. Or maybe that is what we are doing when we refute the claims of La-a and disabled people sprinting from their parking spaces and the woman next door's cousin feeding her 1 mth old on redbull and sausages.

Oh this bollocks again?

My sons name is not MN approved. It starts withe the dreaded K, is not the correct spelling and I have been told I spelt his name wrong, pronounce it wrong and my son is basically fucked for life on here.

Who gives a shit what others think? Some of the names this site thinks are normal are fucking horrid but they are expected as MN approved.

Each to their own.

I have a cousin with an unusual name. His mum named him and when he was 16 his mum died. He has had people question his name, laugh at it and make Jedi jokes. And no they aren't working class before everyone assumes it!

I couldn't care less what someone called their child and I don't get how people can get so bothered by it. Its not your child so why care?

JenaiMorris Tue 23-Apr-13 08:25:40

Casual racism, bizarre snobbery (mustn't be to posh, or too common - in both senses of the word), general ignorance...

Name threads have it all.

cory Tue 23-Apr-13 08:26:20

Just looked up the link. There is one person with dd's fancy foreign spelling in it. But if you google it you come up with several people in England who have not only the name but that precise combination of surname and first name. So the name can't be all that rare.

Ds' name isn't even on the list, but down here in the decadent south there are two boys within a 100 metre radius of each other who share it.

MrsKoala Tue 23-Apr-13 08:31:12

I get as much eye rolling and lots of comments for DS's name which is apparently 'aspirational' and 'pretentious' as the Kaydens and Jaydens tho. Possibly more. For some reason the inverted snobbery is seen as acceptable, because 'posh' people (i'm not - but hey ho) like me are fair game. Perhaps one of these days i'll unleash my inner Sarf Lahndener and let them know how 'posh' i really am. <classy>

5 Dawsons, so I scrolled down & yes there is a Pacey grin

AtYourCervix Tue 23-Apr-13 08:43:49

I know of 2 consultant surgeons called Kevin and Wayne. I suspect they were written off in the 70s for having common non-aspirational names.

see I actually like both kayden and jayden

LisaMed Tue 23-Apr-13 08:49:00

Broke my rule to never click on anything on MN unless certain - fucking automatic download. Thanks. Are you dishing out malware at the same time OP?

SherbetVodka Tue 23-Apr-13 08:52:08

What I don't understand is why anyone cares whether other people like their children's names

Yep, same here. No matter what you choose, there will always be some people who think your child's name is chav/posh/pretentious/try hard/passé/unimaginative/ugly etc.

My DS has a name that most on MN would think dull and ugly. I've seen it derided as such on name threads but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's nothing to do with him as a person.

MrsKoala Tue 23-Apr-13 08:55:57

i don't dislike them - i like Kay and Jay (i like long names for best and one/two syllable shortenings for everyday). They are just examples from MN i have read.

DH loves Victor and is campaigning for next ds to be called it. I don't like it as i don't like the idea of 'winning at all costs' 'to the victor go the spoils' type connotations i have (studied too much history) - nothing to do with it as a word in it's own right.

TheRealFellatio Tue 23-Apr-13 09:01:41

I love it when MrsD and Usual come on these threads. There are certain threads where I can just start counting down from a hundred and waiting for them to appear. In my head I see her and her

They are the vigilantes of MN. grin

YoniRanger Tue 23-Apr-13 09:03:38

See the thing is people will always spell your name wrong no matter how normal your name is.

My previous surname was Clarke. It was frequently spelt wrong even by official bodies.

So I'm not sure it should factor in to your choice of child names. Sorry darling we couldn't call you 'beautiful name' because people are thick and ignorant. No.

RevoltingPeasant Tue 23-Apr-13 09:04:59

I always find sneering at names so ridiculous because it's entirely relative.

I grew up in a vair vair nice area of NY, which had a lot of wealthy Jewish families, and 'Joshua' was the sort of equivalent of 'George' or something, in the sense of being a safe, traditional, well-heeled name.

My own name was quite common there, but here people routinely mishear it and I often get called by a rather ugly man's name instead.

There is also lots of really ignorant prejudice. I quite like the names Harriot and Sharlot - I probably wouldn't call DC them - but they are actually very old spellings of the modern Harriet and Charlotte.

Also spelling names 'wrongly' needn't hold a child back - how stupid. One of the most successful businessmen I've ever met was called Dhjonny. As in, 'Johnny'. He was from a French family and his mum was only semi-literate but wanted to give her boy a 'posh foreign' name. I'm sure she got judged to death but he is now worth millions.

So ner grin

RevoltingPeasant Tue 23-Apr-13 09:06:49

Also find the anti-Celtic in particular on here rather disturbing; people sneering at 'common' names which just happen to be originally Scots/Irish/Welsh, or just happen to be the Irish-language spelling, etc....

2 boys called 'A'?? Just A?? WHAT.

ipswichwitch Tue 23-Apr-13 09:14:30

Not being at all snobby or anything, but I really feel for the poor little boy called Ebeneezer. Imagine the grief he's going to get every Christmas. He will get tortured with the nn Scrooge forever

SherbetVodka Tue 23-Apr-13 09:17:55

There is also lots of really ignorant prejudice. I quite like the names Harriot and Sharlot - I probably wouldn't call DC them - but they are actually very old spellings of the modern Harriet and Charlotte.

I wouldn't say that it's ignorant prejudice to think that Harriot and Sharlot are mis-spellings, more a reasonable assumption. Most people wouldn't have studied the historical period when these spellings were common or have read the obscure baby names book that would tell them so confused

metafarcical Tue 23-Apr-13 09:18:45

I probably wouldn't use Ruby Tuesday because it's a fairly large restaurant chain in the States, but I do agree that it's a great name. Isn't is also a song lyric?

I love invented names. Maybe it's because I'm Southern American. I'd say half of the names in my extended family are completely made up. My grandfather's name is made up. His brother's name is traditionally a girl's name. We've got all sorts of crazy nicknames and crazier reasons for the nicknames.

If it means something to the parent/family, who cares. My kids have surnames as forenames. Not just any surname, but surnames are also names of professions. Miller, Tanner, Cooper as example (not their real names)

JenaiMorris Tue 23-Apr-13 09:31:59

I don't know if it's a British thing, but there is always a tension between the conservative and the new/forrin/different.

Like when Viv Westwood got the piss taken out of her on Wogan.

<goes off on tangent>

Ridicule is nothing to be scared of!

<crosses arms in front of face>

MoominmammasHandbag Tue 23-Apr-13 10:04:54

I'm sorry but I have to get my girl crush out of the way say it. Mrs DeVere is an absolute legend.

While all around her are hoiking their judgy pants, Mrs DeVere goes commando.

While all around her are hoiking their judgy pants, Mrs DeVere goes commando.

That has to be quote of the week on MN

BegoniaBampot Tue 23-Apr-13 10:19:01

Internet is a bit scary. Just typed in my name ( first and surname) and i seem to be the only one out there, don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

MrsDeVere Tue 23-Apr-13 10:53:16

I go away to mop the kitchen floor and look what I return to grin

<checks Sainsbury's basic knickers are firmly in place>

This subject does get me going. I only noticed it when I joined MN. I suppose being an adoptive mum adds another dimension, particularly when your child has the no 1 name cited as chavvy on these threads.

But its fascinating. And if I was ever to get called upon to write some amazing scientific sociological thingymygig...it would be about these threads.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Tue 23-Apr-13 11:04:51

Yanbu. It is very sad. Poor, blighted children.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Apr-13 11:16:08

They are only blighted because of people like you.

Peevish Tue 23-Apr-13 11:43:00

Exactly what RevoltingPeasant said. The connotations of names are wildly culturally relative. Irish boys names like Conor, Cillian, Ciaran etc that are often derided on Mn for being 'chavvy' are the equivalent of Edward, James and Thomas in Ireland - plain, strong names. And I never quite get the accusations of 'try-hard' or 'aspirational' unless you actually know the child and parents in question. A friend of mine has named her children names I often see sneered at for those reasons on here but, though penniless, she is actually upper-class. They are family names, and she isn't trying to be anything she isn't anyway. You may not like the names much, but there is no 'aspiration' behind them.

I admit that the one name that irritates me is Caitlin pronounced Kate-Lynn. This is a mistake! It is a common Irish name and not pronounced at all like that, but it has trickled in via Irish-American mispronunciation...

Quenelle Tue 23-Apr-13 11:51:05

What's wrong with making up a name or a new spelling? All names were made up at some point. And there are variations in spelling for many, many names that are considered 'normal'.

And we've been taking inspiration from famous people and characters for centuries. Nobody sneers at Wendy now do they? Nelson became a popular first name in the early 1800s.

The choice of name for a child is a very personal thing. Some people want to give their unique child a unique name. What's wrong with that? They don't need to 'get a grip'. It's unbelievably rude to sneer just because they're not your idea of what's correct.

People will only suffer prejudice because of their name from prejudiced people. It's the judgers who are at fault, not the names.

EduCated Tue 23-Apr-13 11:57:16

Begonia I am the only one of my name too a cording to FB and Google. I take it as a good thing. And you know what, my names is pretty normal and I have to spell and explain it CONSTANTLY.

EduCated Tue 23-Apr-13 11:58:13

Sorry, the second part was a general comment, not aimed at you!

Belmo Tue 23-Apr-13 12:18:22

How has no one mentioned the name Hoor yet?!

I agree 100% about not judging names, I really really do, and I know it will be a name from a different culture, but you cannot call a Scottish baby Hoor! It's how we say whore, surely the registrar should have stepped in?!

AwkwardSquad Tue 23-Apr-13 12:26:15

I have what was considered an unusual name when I was a child, and got mocked for it by other children. As an adult, people often comment on how much they like my name. Children will home in on anything different, particularly if they have been taught to do so by their judgey, intolerant, small minded and dull parents. So - YABU to judge and have a think about what you're teaching your children. Maybe they are learning to be bullies.

Crunchymunchyhoneycakes Tue 23-Apr-13 13:51:51

Pocahontas McgInty is an urban myth along with ladasha etc.

Someone always wheels it out on threads like these.

www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/pocahontas-mcginty-no-she-disney-exist-1-683286

peeriebear Tue 23-Apr-13 14:06:29

I don't know about Pocahontas above, but in my home town there is definitely a Cinderella Smith. She always used to be in the court pages of the local paper.

Tortington Tue 23-Apr-13 14:09:05

Boudicca is a great name

ubik Tue 23-Apr-13 14:17:35

Sorry PMSL at Latrina

I have encountered 'Shivonne' ( I think they were aiming fir Siobhan) 'Cobweb'

And 'Blessèd' which I thought rather nice.

SueDoku Tue 23-Apr-13 14:42:08

Sorry scarlet but I'm neither bullfighting grin or bullshitting - Le-a has really just arrived at my place of work.... First time I'd come across this one and it floored me completely smile

VitoCorleone Tue 23-Apr-13 14:49:52

Whats wrong with Charlie?

LaQueen Tue 23-Apr-13 14:57:09

The problem is...that despite everyone on MN being vair PC and objective...an awful lot of people aren't. And, they will judge.

My friend is a primary school teacher of more than 20 years standing - and (as someone said upthread) she has definitely noted there is often a very strong correlation between a child's name, and their behaviour at school - typically for socio-economic reasons, sadly.

Ashoething Tue 23-Apr-13 15:16:33

I pointed out the obvious socio-economic connection pages ago LaQueen and was called a snob.

My sister writes her name as Shivonne-that is NOT how it is spelt on her birth certificatehmm but it fits in with the type of people she associates with now.

foreverondiet Tue 23-Apr-13 15:30:48

I have 3 dc and only 1 of the three names on that list! My kids names all short (3 letters) but not widely used - but recognisable as names - some of the names on that list are ridic. My dad worked as gp in inner city Glasgow and he claimed to have a patient (white) called Pocahontas mc****...... After the Disney princess....

badtime Tue 23-Apr-13 15:33:16

I have seen people on Mumsnet criticising 'Elinor' as a made-up spelling. On this thread, we have someone criticising 'Maksymilian', which is the Polish version of Maximilian.

I think people would do well to remember that a 'yooneek' spelling may well be a recognised alternative spelling or a foreign spelling they are not familiar with.

(Don't get me wrong, some names bother me a lot, but I realise that my opinion is just an opinion.)

RevoltingPeasant Tue 23-Apr-13 15:38:09

badtime exactly.

'Elinor' is of course a Jane Austen heroine so not exactly arriviste. This is the point about 'unique' spellings - it may just be a spelling you are unfamiliar with, which is why it is ignorant to assume that 'Harriot' (e.g.) is a misspelling.

It's not a misspelling, it's how that person spells their name.

I have seen Tomasz criticised on here as a 'unique' spelling of 'Thomas', which probably totally stumps lot of Eastern Europeans!!

Lots of common names like Pamela and Wendy were 'made up' or at least introduced into currency by authors at some point.

My brother lives in South Africa. When we go there on holiday we encounter people with name badges saying

Happiness
Precious
and my fave
Computer

Fabulous names.

And Russell, Howard, Percy and so on were surnames of dukes etc which became Christian names for the lower orders.

suedoku - you might want to let Snopes.com know then as they have it down as an urban myth that's been doing the rounds for years.

edwardsmum11 Tue 23-Apr-13 16:02:07

When my son was born the hospital made a minor mistake and had my sons name listed as George George, I gave them a disgusted look and still think whoever wrote that down should have checked.

xigris Tue 23-Apr-13 16:05:11

My Dad used to work at the BBC with a Jeff Jeffrey. I kid you not, he's probably on IMDb or something. Why? WHY??!!

LalyRawr Tue 23-Apr-13 18:05:44

Peevish the pronunciation of Caitlin as 'Kate-Lin' is not 'wrong', it's different.

My daughter does not say her name incorrectly. She says it as I intended it to be.

It may not be the traditional Irish way, but I am neither traditional nor Irish, so why the fuck should I?

<is in no way taking this personally, clearly>

How should Caitlin be pronounced?

SolomanDaisy Tue 23-Apr-13 18:35:54

I wouldn't be surprised if le-a started as an urban myth but has now been used after someone saw the urban myth and liked it.

jalopy Tue 23-Apr-13 18:38:13

Remember - all names are made up.

LalyRawr Tue 23-Apr-13 18:40:56

Exit according to Google and numerous 'Irish baby name' sites, Caitlin can be pronounced 'Kath-Leen', 'Kat-Leen', 'Cotch-Leen' & my chavvy, wrong way of 'Kate-Lin'.

It seems even the Irish are unsure of the 'correct' pronunciation wink

Gerrof Tue 23-Apr-13 18:46:27

I do think you're fantastic mrsdv

Turniphead1 Tue 23-Apr-13 18:48:26

Lalyrawr - I know plenty of Irish people who pronounce it Katelin of Catlin.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Apr-13 18:48:49

Well currently there is a entire thread ripping the piss out of a name that just so happens to be my middle name.

I overheard someone on the phone proudly saying his wife had given birth to their daughter. "...we decided to spell it the new way. 'Pheebee'"

I think you'll find that's the WRONG way.

MorrisZapp Tue 23-Apr-13 19:02:28

It's a personal thing but I don't like extreme, creative, made up or pop culture names. That's just me. I don't think I'm dull, closed minded etc. I'd rather make an impression with what I say and do than by a wacky name.

I have a v unusual surname, which I love. And I enjoy coming across interesting names in my research. But I'd rather give my own kid a recognisable and easily spelled name, they may well end up with a nickname I can do nowt about but I did at least get to choose their birth name.

SomethingOnce Tue 23-Apr-13 19:11:54

All those who get so upset about judging, can you truly say you never judge stuff (trivial or otherwise) or people?

Because I think it's bullfight (grin) to suggest there's anybody who doesn't judge; you'd have to be raised in a vacuum and have no values, opinions or beliefs about anything.

IME, those who go round calling out others for it are, deep down, rather judgy and insecure themselves which is why they see it everywhere.

Everybody judges; it's what you do with it that counts.

(I've just realised that I've reached critical mass with the j-word - it's a stupid word in the context it gets used on MN and I, erm, evaluate harshly those who use it.)

MorrisZapp Tue 23-Apr-13 19:15:18

Spot on, something. It's so overused. In my world it's called having an opinion. People who don't, bore my tits off.

MrsDeVere Tue 23-Apr-13 19:18:17

I am not talking about judging anything though.

I am talking specifically about being rude and judgmental and making huge assumptions about a real, live person based on their name.

We all judge. Judging is not always a negative thing either.

But to say a child is naughty because they are called Connor
A parent is thick because they name their child Leam
A child will never be a doctor because they are called Sally-mae

Now that is bullfight.

IneedAsockamnesty Tue 23-Apr-13 19:32:47

If I behave like a wanker I expect to be called on it, and in turn I may judge someone else's behaviour.

But judging things like a name is pretty wankerish

SomethingOnce Tue 23-Apr-13 19:39:49

MrsDV, I'm pretty sure I recall some posts of yours that I felt were pretty judgemental (something to do with a parent in front of you in a queue for burgers - please do forgive me if I've muddled you with somebody else though), but it's pretty subjective what one views as judgemental anyway.

Does this particular thing bug you so much because of your DC's name?

If so, I understand and I'm sorry that's the case, but we all have our judgy crosses to bear... I have non-mainstream views about a lot of things and I get judged the shit out of all the time, but I get by smile

LaQueen Tue 23-Apr-13 19:51:09

Ashoething well, my friend who teaches primary school is from a typical working class background, herself - doesn't stop her observing the links between names and socio economic backgrounds, though?

Why should it hmm

MrsDeVere Tue 23-Apr-13 19:58:49

Um. Yes I think you have muddled me up with someone else.

And no of course not.

No more than racism bothers me because my kids are black.

It bothers me because it is prejudice based on a bucket load of bollocks.

SomethingOnce Tue 23-Apr-13 19:59:28

DD has a slightly unusual name that sounds a bit like a male name in another language.

A mother (from a relevant ethnicity), not being familiar with DDs actual name, suggested I had given her a boy name.

It would be ludicrous to try and say it was racist of her; at worst it was a bit ignorant, and perhaps a bit rude to actually suggest I had misnamed my child, but all people can't know everything about everything.

In a multicultural world I think ignorance not knowing everything has to be generally a bit forgivable.

SomethingOnce Tue 23-Apr-13 20:00:43

And apologies, MrsDV, my memory's not what it was...

SherbetVodka Tue 23-Apr-13 20:17:12

Everybody judges; it's what you do with it that counts.

Absolutely. In real life, most of us adhere to the "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" dictum, especially with regards to people's names.

So long as the posters on this thread who've expressed a negative opinion of this or that name don't actually go around saying that in real life, to people with those particular names, why is it so beyond the pale to discuss it on a website?

As I've already said, my DS's name's been slated on baby name threads before. I can't imagine being so thin skinned that I'd be hurt or offended by it. Many people on MN don't like his name but so bloody what? Yes if someone said directly to me, in real life, that his name was awful then I'd think them extremely rude. But if its an online discussion where opinions have been asked for then it's fair enough to be honest about what you think.

lopsided Tue 23-Apr-13 20:22:38

MrsDV
I backed away from Asher as I thought it was a bit too posh smile Great name. I won't say what we went for but I guess people think its common.

One of the things that surprises me is how much people care about this. It's just not that important. I certainly couldnt give a toss if someone else used 'my' name. It's just a name. All names were made up once. I think its in Chinese culture that a name is often just made up from words and is therefore fairly unique. I worked with a woman who's name translates to 'Blue skies'. I think its beautiful.

SomethingOnce Tue 23-Apr-13 20:42:44

Asher is a lovely name.

I have no cultural references for it (aside from the lad from So Solid and the 80s/90s rapper by the same name).

Is it zooming up the charts now?

Wannabestepfordwife Tue 23-Apr-13 20:51:05

Totally agree with something and sherbert

MrsDeVere Tue 23-Apr-13 21:08:36

I am not objecting to people not liking names.
I have made that clear but it was pages ago so posters may have missed it.
I object to poster asserting that it is ok to treat/think about people differently based on names.
To have fixed ideas about people based on their names.

How can that be ok? Its not ok for any ism is it?

So why is ok with names.

There are names I love and names I hate. There are names that I think are so bland they seem utterly pointless.
But there are no names that make me think 'you must be little shit' or 'I bet you are a total slag'

Because that would make no sense what so ever.

LaQueen Tue 23-Apr-13 21:13:35

I agree with you Morris I like my friends IRL to have opinions, and to make judgements about all sorts of stuff...and then we can engage in some good old debating, while we all argue our views.

Most invigorating smile

I'd be bored shitless - if we were all sat round a table, all meekly saying naice things about everything, and were terribly balanced, cautious and non-commital.

Wannabestepfordwife Tue 23-Apr-13 21:14:10

I understand and agree with what your saying mrsdevere I might think in my head of god that's an awful name but I would never say anything or think someone would grow up to be a slag or a shit because of their name.

With the woman who called her child amphetamine I can't help but judge to me naming your child after your favourite drug is shocking and should be a red flag to ss. Can't believe the registra let her name her daughter that.

usualsuspect Tue 23-Apr-13 21:25:21

I'm bored shitless by all the judgy baby name threads on here.I'm surprised no one has mentioned freakonomics.

usualsuspect Tue 23-Apr-13 21:27:49

Actually a thread slagging off some names was deleted the other night for being beyond the pale.

RevoltingPeasant Tue 23-Apr-13 21:49:24

I'm just judging the judgers wink

I seriously have seen someone on here going, 'And there's a child at school called Tomasz, just imagine!' type of thing.

I totally judge people who don't have wit to think it might just be an alternative spelling or from a different culture.

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Tue 23-Apr-13 21:54:08

I object to poster asserting that it is ok to treat/think about people differently based on names.
To have fixed ideas about people based on their names.

In all fairness, I don't think anyone has, have they?

No-one behind the age of 13 seriously thinks it's OK to 'treat/think about people differently' and to have 'fixed ideas' about people based on names.

Surely all we're really talking about is people making assumptions, which are either fulfilled or not fulfilled on a better acquaintance with the person (or parents!) in question...?

I mean, really, it's impossible to go through life without making any judgements at all, especially on first impression with a person or situation. It's impossible. We're human. We take all our previous experiences to move forward and better understand future experiences.

The thing with the Internet is that it allows people to get an insight into people's brains and genuine thoughts like never before. grin Before there was no outlet for people to say what they're really thought, but the advent of discussion forums has changed that behind recognition. And sometimes people are very, very surprised to learn what people are actually thinking.

I sometimes think of certain conversations, banter and ribbing that DH and I have, or I/we have with friends and know that if it was overheard, it would sound beyond the pale. I'm not talking about being deliberately provocative, racist, offensive or whatever, but life is too short to smooth over all your views into one pale shade of vanilla so that you have no opinions left.

Dittle Tue 23-Apr-13 21:56:16

I know a girl called Lyndzi. Pronounced Lindsay. Was a bit shocked tbh.

usualsuspect Tue 23-Apr-13 22:08:00

Objecting to someone looking down on someone because of their name doesn't make me vanilla. My opinion on these threads might be different from the majority but they are just as valid.I think following the crowd makes you boring and bland.

almostanotherday Tue 23-Apr-13 22:09:08

Only 2 out of my 7 DC names are on that list smile

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Tue 23-Apr-13 23:28:39

I think following the crowd makes you boring and bland, too.

TheRealFellatio Wed 24-Apr-13 04:12:06

I really love unusual names, but they have to be non-ridiculous.

TheRealFellatio Wed 24-Apr-13 04:23:26

To be fair I don't think anyone looks down on the child usual - they just think their parents are a bit daft. Seriously, I have nothing against modern names, and will defend the right to name your child whatever the heck you like even if I hate it, and I realise that some names are spelt exactly as they would be in another language - fair enough. But I will JUDGE JUDGE JUDGE people who have English as a first language and yet choose ludicrous, convoluted, made-up, gimmicky, clunky, utterly unpronouncable spellings. It does make the parent look like:

a twat
illiterate
a sandwich short of a picnic
about 14.

sleepywombat Wed 24-Apr-13 05:34:10

Asher & Rudy sound pretty middle class to me. I had Rudy on my list for ds2 but dh thought it too try hard/posh (he is v boring re names).

Where I live there is not such a class divide or stigma about names. The head boy of the local private school this year is Ryleigh. My friend called her dd Abbiegail, because she liked the nickname 'Abbie' (rather than Abi). She looked the name up in a baby book & it listed Abbiegail as a genuine alternative spelling. Fair enough. Its the same as me preferring Catherine to Katherine.

I'm more of an inverted snob (I'm English, have to have some class-related issues) & can't stand all this 'have to have a long name on the birth certificate' or 'Mollie/Millie etc can't be a high court judge' marlarkey on here.

TheRealFellatio Wed 24-Apr-13 06:29:07

I live amongst lots of Filipinos and other south east Asian people.

I have met a woman called Joeanne, pronounced Joey-Anne, and I have met women called Inky, Jelly, Guitar and Wedge. All spelt exactly as I have written them.

True Fact.

I can't help feeling a bit sorry for Wedge.

nooka Wed 24-Apr-13 06:35:41

I think that baby name books and internet baby name sites have a lot to answer for when it comes to names. How was it determined that 'Abbiegail' was a genuine alternative form of Abigail? I suspect by looking at the lists of names that people have given their children and making the assumption that the child named 'Abbiegail' was probably intended to be Abigail and then adding it to the book as an alternative. Whilst that probably is how names have evolved I suspect that's not what the reader has in mind when they see it in their book of names. Some baby name websites are even worse, you can put in any mix of letters and they will tell you that is a name 'of unknown origin' or other meaningless gumph.

Calabria Wed 24-Apr-13 09:06:42

I know one of those Albies! grin

JenaiMorris Wed 24-Apr-13 09:42:13

I thought Caitlin Moran, when she named herself Caitlin, thought it was pronounced "Kat-lyn" but subsequently found out that it is generally "Kate-lyn".

So was she "correct" first time round then?

Not that it matters one iota. And besides all the Caitlins I know are "Kate-lyn". Maybe it's morphed. Or there are regional/national variations in pronunciation that you have to live with (like Liam/Lim, Michelle/Meechelle).

ScrambledSmegs Wed 24-Apr-13 09:45:55

The only sort of names I would be very hmm at are the ones where the parents are blatantly taking the piss. Think Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii or Number 16 Bus Shelter. That's not thinking of the child, it's treating the child as a big joke.

These ones - I should imagine most of them have been chosen with love. That's enough for me.

SomethingOnce - my name is Andrea, which is a boy's name in Italy.

LalyRawr Wed 24-Apr-13 10:10:36

I think the problem with judging names, for me at least, is that on here, it's an abstract you know? It's just a name. Except it isn't. Because there is an innocent little baby that you're making judgements about. That you are saying is common or stuck up or will never get far in life.

So when people say Caitlin is chavvy or the pronunciation is 'wrong', I take it as them calling my beautiful, clever 13 month old little girl a chav and wrong. So I take issue with as I would anyone insulting my daughter!

Of course there are names we dislike and names we love and there is not a single name in this world that everyone on here will think is lovely.

The defence normally is 'Oh but the child will get teased/bullied'. Frankly small children are horrible enough to tease and bully over anything. It could be the name, their weight, their intelliegence (or lack thereof), where they live, the colour of their hair. Wouldn't it be better to raise our children to not pick on others rather than say we should all call our children 'acceptable' names?

My name is Alyiousa (A-la-wish-a) and everyone told my parents not to call me it. It wasn't a 'real' name, I would get teased, I would have to endlessly spell/pronounce it (which I do!). But you know what? I love my name. I never got any teasing, it's as real as I am and I'm proud of my parents for sticking to their guns instead of calling me something more 'Traditional'.

Sorry, this has turned into a bit of a rant and it isn't actually aimed at anyone in particular, just a general comment that when you judge a name, it isn't just a name.

mmmerangue Wed 24-Apr-13 10:12:44

My DN is called A-Jay and it is a lengthening of his fathers' initials.

Might have been a bit hmm at first, but really, people can call their kids whatever the hell they want.

Some of the alternate spellings make my skin crawl actually but they're not my child so who am I to judge? My partners name is spelled 'wrong' too, mixed up an I and an E, but it's fine because all his post comes for the regular spelling anyway, even when he has spelled it out over the phone or typed it online himself. I'm sure Maddysyn Abbiegaile Blu McSpellchecker will have the same problem for her whole life.

nailak Wed 24-Apr-13 10:22:31

Ajax is an Indian name?

nailak Wed 24-Apr-13 10:22:51

Ajay even

nailak Wed 24-Apr-13 10:30:13

Hoor is an Arabic name, meaning beautiful woman

TheRealFellatio Wed 24-Apr-13 10:41:38

I would never, never never in a million years have got 'A-la-wish-a' out of Alyiousa.

The boy's version of the name is spelt Aloytius, so your parents didn't even spell it in a way that made it obvious it was a feminised version of the same name. It should be Aloytia. You can't get a 'wish' sound out of 'Alyiousa' I'm sorry but you just can't, and it makes no logical sense.

It would be like me calling my daughter Sharyloita and insisting it was Charlotte.

I think with all due respect that your parents were not quite thinking straight when they did that. To hear it pronounced it's a perfectly nice name, but to spend your life having to explain it, and see people look at it written down and go confused would be too much for me. If it were my name I'd have change the spelling long ago.

LalyRawr Wed 24-Apr-13 10:44:08

I think it was meant to be a feminine form of Aloysius.

& clearly you can get the wish sound out of it, because I have it! grin

MrsDeVere Wed 24-Apr-13 10:48:10

See that is my point.
For everyone who thinks Rudy is middle class you will have someone who thinks its try hard and someone who thinks its gansta and asking for trouble.

AND if Asher was deemed chav 5 years ago it is just as likely to push Finn off the acceptable boy's list now.

SO what is the bloody point in all this judgment?

I live in a place that would be describe as 'chav' by lots of people. For London is has a very small mc enclave. Most London boroughs have a much bigger class gap.

The school DS went to probably only had a handful of mc children. The popular names [of the whole school population] that spring to mind are Olivia, Oscar, Oliver, Megan, Emma, Sydney, Sophia etc with a dash of the Kadens, Ashantis and lots of Asian names.

So shouldn't that mean that Olivia is a chav name? There is evidence that there are several wc girls with mothers who have neck tattoos and smoke in the playground who are called Olivia.

So by the reckoning of many posters here..Olivia should be reclassified along with Megan and Oliver.

Because according to MN when people hear me call my son's name or they see it on their class list they have the right to make up their mind and I should just suck it up.

I didn't even name him. He hasn't grown up with the person who chose that name. How the hell can it have such an influence on the person he is unless that influence comes from the people around him who refuse to reign in their prejudice?

SomethingOnce Wed 24-Apr-13 10:49:44

Laly, I said previously that I'm a thin skinned person in real life but even I think you're worrying way too much about this.

One of my acquaintances grilled me about DDs name and I'm pretty that was because, in her ignorance of its usage, she believes it to be a bit pretentious. I've read people of here saying similar.

Would I prefer it if every person on the planet agreed it's a lovely name? Probably. Do I think people's initial thoughts about it are an insult to my actual daughter? No, and to me that seems a very over the top reaction, tbh, and a bit precious.

People have thoughts, then they have other ones - it's really not a big deal.

ATJabberwocky Wed 24-Apr-13 10:53:20

Not a strange name just an odd spelling, Leighann - Leanne surely?

LalyRawr Wed 24-Apr-13 10:54:55

Oh I know Something, I know I take it too personally, but have yet to figure out how to stop.

It's weird, because I don't give a crap about all the judgements people seem to make about me or my parenting etc, but when it comes to her name, it seems to hit a nerve!

Maybe because adults seem to think its acceptable to imply my parents were stupid and mentally unhinged when they named me, so I'm a bit sensitive wink

JenaiMorris Wed 24-Apr-13 11:00:38

I know how to pronounce Aloysius because it's a Cocteau Twins track (I caused much hilarity by pronouncing it "Alloy-See-Us").

I'd have worked out Alyiousa I think, from that. Even if it is a "made-up" name (proper names came out of the big bang at the dawn of time, as everyone knows hmm )

It's lovely.

SomethingOnce Wed 24-Apr-13 11:00:40

Of course Hoor has no innate negative qualities; like all words it's just a collecton of sounds, but I'd probably avoid using it in a place where it sounds like the word whore. (Not that I'd be immature and make a thing out of it if I knew a Hoor, because I'm not an immature idiot and was raised not to behave like that, and I'd be down like a tonne of bricks on any pisstaking because that would rude in the extreme.)

That said, if I lived outside the UK and the name I wanted for my DC sounded like something unfortunate in the local language, I'd think twice before using it.

Thisvehicleisreversing Wed 24-Apr-13 11:00:58

I've heard of a baby girl called Terri-Anfield.

JenaiMorris Wed 24-Apr-13 11:04:55

Just to clarify - I know that Aloysius the name wasn't invented by the Cocteau Twins - it's just that on an album cover was the first time I'd read it.

First time I heard it of course was on Brideshead.

Don't ask me the actual classical orgin though because I haven't got a Scooby.

IfNotNowThenWhen Wed 24-Apr-13 11:08:57

I wish I was called ruby Tuesday!
I love ocean raine too! And Connor. Although teachers do tell me they have never met a well behaved Callum. I also love blessing, and would be more likely to name a child that, than one of those granny names girls at my sons school have. Like Agatha. Blee.

SomethingOnce Wed 24-Apr-13 11:10:18

The whole issue is actually a product of diversity (class, culture, language etc) and the fact that as a species we tend to place ourselves at the centre of things... and it's difficult not to given that, unless one is very Zen or something, it's the nature of consciousness.

If we had a very homogenous society it wouldn't be an issue.

Laly - that's a beautiful name. it sounds like trees swishing around in the breeze

SomethingOnce Wed 24-Apr-13 11:19:34

PS I think I prefer a bit of love it/hate it name chat to a world in which we all choose from a list of 150 approved names or whatever.

* ATJabberwocky*

"Not a strange name just an odd spelling, Leighann - Leanne surely?"

well, no, I would have said Leanne was the made-up (later) version - because the female form of Lee is spelt Leigh.

aloysius
shock a made up name!

gotthemoononastick Wed 24-Apr-13 11:41:53

Salome was a dancing girl
She danced the hitchy-kitch
She danced before king Herod
And she didn't wear a stitch.

Said Herod ,'Salome dear,we do not do that here.'
Said Salome 'oh go to Hell',and kicked the chandelier!

Maybe the first suffragette? Pretty name nowadays,though....

TheRealFellatio Wed 24-Apr-13 12:56:49

sorry Laly of course I meant Aloysius, not Aloytius, with a T. But I think the feminine form could be with a T or an S, and if you google it with a T there are women called Aloytia out there, and I am sure there are women called Aloysia too. But Alyiousa is not, can never be, and will never be the same name. Just, no. sorry. grin

it doesn't matter how many times you look at it, turn it inside out, back to front and upside down, your name phonetically says Al-ee-oo-sa

NOT A-la-wish-a, or A-lo-wish-a. I think they just didn't know how to spell it so they guessed and got it wrong. In which case it's better to just admit that instead of trying to convince the world that they are looking at an orange, when they are actually looking at an apple. grin

Unique I think the issue with Laly's name being apparently 'made up' is that it bears little phonetic relation to the name it's actually supposed to be. So an easy mistake to make, really.

Anway sorry Laly, none of it is your fault and I would no way judge you for it. But I am amazed you haven't altered the spelling for your own sanity.

changeforthebetter Wed 24-Apr-13 13:10:19

Isn't Tea actually Téa (as in the actress Téa Leonie was married to Nic Cage?) I assume it's a variation on Thea - of course Ma and Pa may have some pronunciation issues. Anyhow I have a deep and abiding love of tea as in drink so it would be a compliment to the child..... wink

HotelFromage Wed 24-Apr-13 13:17:11

I have a class with a Caitlyn, a Caitlin and a Caitlynn and another class with three Olivia's.

The best was a class with 5 Thomas's a couple of years ago, worse still, two of the Thomas's were virtually identical.

LaQueen Wed 24-Apr-13 13:33:23

Totally agree with Fell - I wouldn't necessarily judge the poor child...but, I would bleddy judge her parents for shackling them with a gimmicky, cartoon-esque names that are bizarrely spelt and cause everyone, ever, to have to ask how to spell (or God forbid) punctuate it.

TheRealFellatio Wed 24-Apr-13 13:36:42

Arf at 'or God forbid, punctuate it'. grin

sadly it is becoming a common requirement to need to know how to correctly punctuate a name. grin

LaQueen Wed 24-Apr-13 13:44:54

My teacher friend recently had a Shay'nia, in her class...

Ironic, because there's a woeful lack of apostrophes everywhere else...

TheRealFellatio Wed 24-Apr-13 13:49:20

but is it pronounced Sha-NY-a like Shania Twain, or is it pronounced Shay-nee-a?

LaQueen Wed 24-Apr-13 13:57:09

Pronounced like Shania Twain, apparently hmm

And, does it make my friend think 'Oh, this name is really pretty, and creative, and unusual in a really positive way that is most likely indicative of how sparky, and creative and artistically inclined the child is...'

No. It doesn't.

MooMooSkit Wed 24-Apr-13 14:16:06

I love all the old traditional names like Alfie, Charlie, Archie etc and don't care that they are popular because I don't feel the need to be all quirky and cool and have a "different name" for my child. I pick what I want and sod what everyone else thinks.

Don't like threads like this as well purely as when I was at school my name was mainly a boys name and I got SOOO much stick for it!

TheRealFellatio Wed 24-Apr-13 14:17:09

Oh. So the Y is silent then. grin

MzPixielated Wed 24-Apr-13 14:21:00

I know a lovely baby girl called pandora. Lots of people have sneered, I think it's beautiful.

JenaiMorris Wed 24-Apr-13 14:51:29

Well, seeing as we have Pandora now as well as Aloysious (which being a derivation apparently of Louis, rather validates Laly's parents' own adaption - not that it needed it), here is the full track listing of that album I talked about upthread.

This is what every joss stick burning girl of a certain era had as her list of baby names:

Beatrix
Persephone
Pandora
Amelia
Aloysius
Cicely
Otterly
Donimo

I think it's a rather nice selection <coughs> 30-odd years later smile

ChristineDaae Wed 24-Apr-13 17:16:35

There's some crazy names on there. Iv'e noticed Deanjunior... All one word. I assume goodluck is a traditional African thing like miracle etc?!

TheRealFellatio Wed 24-Apr-13 18:34:59

But Pandora is a very, very old and well established name, if not used much these days. The same with Hebe.

TheRealFellatio Wed 24-Apr-13 18:46:42

as well as Aloysious (which being a derivation apparently of Louis, rather validates Laly's parents' own adaption - not that it needed it),

NO NO NO!

Louis. Say it out loud - LOUIS.

O U I quite clearly sounds like ooooo-eeee (silent S as per the French)

Alyiousa. Say it out loud - ALYIOUSA.

I O U quite clearly sounds like eeee-oooo-sa

Not the same thing at all. There is no obvious connection as far as I can see, other than that they contain the same letters but in a different order.

(I am so sorry, Laly I am not meaning to pick on you but this is a matter of principle, and I can't stand it.) blush

TheRealFellatio Wed 24-Apr-13 18:47:44

Donimo? confused do you mean Domino?

usualsuspect Wed 24-Apr-13 18:58:47

My DD has an approved by mn MC name.if you saw her with her tattoos leggings,hooped earrings walking her staffy you would never guess her name grin

usualsuspect Wed 24-Apr-13 18:59:49

Excuse crap typing,on phone.

JenaiMorris Wed 24-Apr-13 19:08:08

Nope, Donimo. No idea what it means. It's the last track on Treasure by The Cocteau Twins. It's all snowy and lovely. No idea what it means, though.

almapudden Wed 24-Apr-13 23:01:16

I know a female Cydne. Her parents thought that Sidney was too masculine. Now to me that just looks stupid and if I didn't know what it was supposed to be, I'd pronounce it "siddnuh".

hazeyjane Wed 24-Apr-13 23:10:00

Cydne is a French name

LaQueen Thu 25-Apr-13 09:27:34

Just noticed that DD2 has virtually one of the same names, as mentioned in the OP' original post, but without the suffix attached grin

There are always going to be exceptions to the general rule...however, that doesn't mean that the large majority of children bearing these fancy names, don't belong to a certain socio-econmic background.

I sometimes think, the parents create these exotic names, in an attempt to give their child a certain memorable status - in an environment where other conventionally accepted status markers (good education, professional career, nice house, smart car) really generally aren't ever going to be an option for their child.

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