to wish homework would just be simple so you can just get on with it?

(44 Posts)
TunipTheVegedude Sun 21-Apr-13 18:28:38

Instead of it demanding you find loads of things that you haven't got.

This week, ds1's maths homework requires 10 1p coins and 10 10p coins. We have scoured the house but only have 9 1ps and 4 10ps.
It also requires a grocery shopping receipt which we threw away after our weekly shop.

Shall we empty everything out of the bin to try and find it? Knock on the neighbours' doors and ask if they have one and if they can change a pound coin? We suggested making up a shopping receipt but he got stressed and said he would get in trouble if he didn't do exactly what it said.

In previous weeks we have had to spend 20 minutes cutting out counters before being able to play the maths game. Or the instructions say to glue things onto card, which clearly isn't important for a maths game but tends to result in a row with the kids if you refuse to do it.

Can't we just go back to learning times tables?

TunipTheVegedude Sun 21-Apr-13 18:29:57

Also, the instructions are usually very badly written and it takes ages to work out what you are supposed to do. I'm in favour of homework but most of the time spent on this is pointless.

soverylucky Sun 21-Apr-13 18:31:26

DD had a similar homework - I just cut up a piece of paper and wrote 10p and 1p on it. DD was in year 2 at the time. It is a pain sometimes. YA sort of NBU

It's uncharitable towards teachers that I'm envisaging someone who's really, really, really nosy about what her class's parents eat every week, isn't it?

Can you not be shocked and very Eco and explain you do it all online so as not to kill trees?

prophylaxis Sun 21-Apr-13 18:38:52

YANBU, sounds pretty stupid demanding you find a receipt, why not just provide one as part of the homework.

As long as you cover the concepts that need to be learned it doesn't really matter how you do it. You certainly don't need physical coins to do it.

Ruprekt Sun 21-Apr-13 18:41:21

I do not mind homework and always support the boys with it but this weekend ds2 (y3) has to do a non fiction report on the Viking Longships using captions and labels blah blah

So much parental input it's not funny! angry

TunipTheVegedude Sun 21-Apr-13 18:51:08

There is usually a sensible way to do it (like writing it on bits of paper, as you say) but I have to negotiate it with my kids IYSWIM and dd is very melodramatic and ds1 is very literal so often it takes as much energy persuading the kids it is ok to do it that way as to do the actual homework.

There was one week where we were supposed to use counters and dd got into a strop because I hadn't got any counters and wanted to use dried beans instead....

Now I have managed to persuade ds1 to use a made-up receipt and it meant at least i was able to cunningly make things up that didn't cost any more than 49p so we didn't need all the coins it said smile

Pickles101 Sun 21-Apr-13 18:53:56

YANBU. I hate 'helping' with homework.

moondog Sun 21-Apr-13 18:58:19

I've just been seething over such a poorly designed worksheet that I have no idea how to go about it, and my poor ds less still.
I have circled myriad basic errors in texts.
I have noted errors that aren't even picked up when work is 'marked'.

A particulaolr low was the 'reading challenge' (I have an instant scalded cat response to a 'challenge') which required us to coulont how many workds we had read onto an expensively produced record card.

Gigantic waste of time.
I've long resigned myself to considering school is good for play but home is where they learn most of what they need. A petty really as someone else is being paid to do the teaching.

Moominsarehippos Sun 21-Apr-13 19:02:16

Easy or hard, it still takes about two hours of 'have you done your homework yet?' 'Have you started your homework yet?' 'Where's your homework?' 'What's your homework?' 'Hadn't you better start your homework?' 'Why haven't you even sytarted your homework?' 'Do you know where you left your homework?' 'Oughtn't you look for your homework rather than play with your game?' ... Repeat until exhaustion kicks in for one or both parties.

moondog Sun 21-Apr-13 19:04:39

Well I must say, I don't have any battles getting them to do it, because that is non negotiable. Access to things they like is dependent on them getting it done.

BrittaPie Sun 21-Apr-13 19:10:05

Moondog - that only works if you don't have a child who will happily stare into space for hours...

moondog Sun 21-Apr-13 19:14:16

I'd happily take that challenge on.
<rolls up sleeves>

BrittaPie Sun 21-Apr-13 19:26:26

grin

What puzzles me is that she was HE till a few weeks ago, and I had no issues getting her to do work - she used to pick it up herself. But if it comes from school she either stresses over it, or blanks it.

Picturesinthefirelight Sun 21-Apr-13 19:35:29

We have to have a shopping receipt with at least 10 items on it! Except I get my fruit& veg from the box scheme or market (no receipts), neat from the butchers (just a switch receipt no itemisation) and then just too up at the corner shop (max 3 or 4 items)

Absolutely stupid.

Startail Sun 21-Apr-13 19:37:55

I'm still debating a stropy email about an impossible piece of Y7 German HW.

It was a beautifully unclear worksheet, which might have made a bit of sense with the textbook, but there aren't enough to bring home. The teacher is useless, but puts DCs in detention for undone HW.

DH eventually managed to hash something together with loads of very adult web skills and his scraps of German. No way could DD2 have done it.

moondog Sun 21-Apr-13 19:39:57

'DH eventually managed to hash something together with loads of very adult web skills and his scraps of German. No way could DD2 have done it.'

grin
Teacher must be a fearsome Tarta,r Star. Have visions of yyour dh quaking at his computer.

grin

ModreB Sun 21-Apr-13 20:30:30

This makes me so cross.

Homework up to Y6 is optional. If it's an effort or a pain, tell the school to feck off.

Homework from Y7 onwards is not optional, unless it involves a printer at home. We do not have a printer. If the school wants stuff printed off, give us a printer or forget it unless the DC's can print it off at school.

moondog Sun 21-Apr-13 20:33:52

I disagree.
What;'s the point, frankly, of homework if it isn't an effort? hmm
I think telling your kids it doesn't matter also undermines a teacher's authority which is bad news. I would never speak disparagingly of a teacher, or work they have set in earshot of my children.

It does however need to be logical and comprehensible which my ds's isn't.

Idocrazythings Sun 21-Apr-13 20:34:35

I had to google the answer to DDs homework. And she is in reception!!!! How bad is that. I even have a degree! And no I'm not saying what the question was. Too embarrassing.

moondog Sun 21-Apr-13 20:35:25

Oh go on!
We won't laugh much

stargirl1701 Sun 21-Apr-13 20:37:18

Speak to your MP/MSP. It's them who want this. It's called 'Sharing the Learning'.

moondog Sun 21-Apr-13 20:38:32

I'm more than happy to 'share the learning'
It's doing the lion's share of it that rankles.
(As if complaining to an MP would be useful-!)

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Sun 21-Apr-13 20:40:05

YANBU. We had a homework once where the child (DD was 7) had to write down what kind of house she lived in (owned, rented....detatched etc) and what jobs her parents did!

I wrote a note saying she wasn't taking part as it was prying!

Idocrazythings Sun 21-Apr-13 20:42:58

No moondog I'd have to finish the bottle of wine I have had a few glasses from before I admitted to anything. grin

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Sun 21-Apr-13 20:45:07

The recycling in our area is collected on a Thursday. The school is in our area. The truck goes up and down past the school.

So what day does the newsletter come out requesting cardboard boxes, plastic bottles etc etc?

Friday.

moondog Sun 21-Apr-13 20:49:27

I'll be waiting Crazy.....
wink

pinkyredrose Sun 21-Apr-13 20:59:19

Why do parents have to help with homework? Genuine question. Shouldn't the child be doing it themselves, isn't that the point?

moondog Sun 21-Apr-13 21:13:56

Children need guidance with learning.
You may as well ask why we employ teachers.
Shouldn't they just turn up and er.... learn it themselves.

This week, dd's maths homework posed the question, 'There are 63 tentacles at the octopus ball. How many octopuses are there?'

Dd wrote, '7 octopuses plus one injured one.'

I think it was probably a typo as the rest of the sheet was about the eight times table, but it made us laugh.

Generally speaking, I cannot really see the point of homework in primary. I find it sucks the joy out of weekends as we have to go through the same old battles over it, every weekend. It also takes time away from learning at home; instead they spend their time trying to remember what they learned at school. I don't mind the, 'Find out about...and present your findings however you choose ones,' but ds rails against the, 'Underline all the words with the oa sound' sheets.

Smudging Sun 21-Apr-13 21:27:49

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Smudging Sun 21-Apr-13 21:28:24

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pinkyredrose Sun 21-Apr-13 21:29:17

moondog that's a ridiculous answer. Surely the point of homework is to underline what the children have learned that day and to make sure they understood. The parents doing the homework for/with them should be unnecessary.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Sun 21-Apr-13 21:33:55

Yanbu.

treas Sun 21-Apr-13 22:17:31

TunipTheVegedude - you don't happen to have children in a village school in a s-w county beginning with S?

moondog Sun 21-Apr-13 22:25:01

It's not about doing it for them.
It's about supervising them to do it.

Dancergirl Sun 21-Apr-13 22:26:37

YANBU!

I hate with a passion homework that requires a lot of parental input. Plus I think a lot of primary homework is given just for the sake of it so schools are seen to be giving homework.

I do wonder about the long term educational implications if we refuse to do ANY primary school homework. None probably....but I'm not brave enough to do that.

TunipTheVegedude Sun 21-Apr-13 22:34:04

Treas - no, a N county beginning with E Y.
Is your teacher using the same worksheets?

MidniteScribbler Mon 22-Apr-13 00:22:05

I hate homework. I hate having to argue with parents about it. I hate having to spend half an hour every morning gathering it up, working out who has done what, who is missing what, who has forgotten what, who doesn't have a printer, who doesn't have a pencil. I hate spending half an hour in the afternoon trying to make sure everyone has everything they need, understands what to do. I hate spending an hour at night marking it. I really hate the amount of time on weekends I have to spend coming up with tasks, making up worksheets, printing them off. I very quickly in my teaching career decided it was all a great big pile of shit and that I wasn't interested, aside from home readers. To get around it and the school requirements for us to set homework, I came up with a very elaborate system stolen from the guides of 'homework badges' which all the kids (and their parents) seem to love because they can pick and choose what they want to do based on their interests. Saves me a lot of classroom (and home!) time too!

deeplybaffled Mon 22-Apr-13 00:37:19

Georgianmumto5 - thank you! It's not been the best weekend but the injured octopus made me laugh quite a lot!

deeplybaffled, you are very welcome.

MidniteScribbler, what an excellent idea!

Dancergirl Wed 24-Apr-13 22:14:24

midnite sounds great, tell us more. How does it work?

Ruprekt Wed 24-Apr-13 22:30:06

Bump

SlumberingDormouse Wed 24-Apr-13 22:33:29

Ugh, I teach and I can't stand the attitude that 'everything must be made into a game'. It takes up a huge amount of time that could be better spent just learning things like times tables. It's possible to make things engaging without over-complicating them. Also, don't get me started on mistakes in homework instructions etc... It's shocking.

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