to have parked in Parent And Child space without a child?

(62 Posts)
JennifersBody Sat 20-Apr-13 18:03:10

Working ridciulously late last night and finished work at 1am (ish) - on the way home I drove by a 24 hour Tesco, I hadn't eaten dinner so I thought I would quickly go in and get something small to eat.

Go into the carpark (it was virtually dead) - there were about 10 P&C parking spaces with only one occupied. Parked there, went in store, was out in less than 10 minutes.

Got back to my car at the same time as the other owner of the other car had finished strapping a baby in and she asked me - wheres your child then? You do know that space is only allowed for parents with young children?

.. I started to reply and then she called me an ignorant cow and got in her car.

I was a bit shocked by it and thought that was a total over reaction.

<Btw I would never do this during the day time or early evening>

What a nutter!

CloudsAndTrees Sat 20-Apr-13 18:05:17



Jelly15 Sat 20-Apr-13 18:06:40

Yanbu, she is just a gobby cow.

Shelly32 Sat 20-Apr-13 18:08:27

At 1am , with lots of spaces free, I can't see the problem! I'd be annoyed and have questioned people in the past when having to lug my two across the car park due to selfish parking but this wasn't selfish parking. Plus the confrontational tone was OTT!

SirChenjin Sat 20-Apr-13 18:08:57

As someone who is usually incensed by people parking in P&C spaces when they don't have a car I can't see a problem with you doing this at 1am. In fact, I'd be more incensed with someone doing their food shopping at 1am with a child in tow grin <disclaimer: other drivers are probably unaware that I am incensed, unless they happen to catch a glimpse of the hard stare that I am giving them <wimp>>

JennifersBody Sat 20-Apr-13 18:09:03

Haha, oh good thank you! I thought I would get replies telling me I was entitled grin

Maybe she was just having a really bad day.

omletta Sat 20-Apr-13 18:13:03

I too incensed at people parking in these spaces without a car SirChenjin grin

ChaoticTranquility Sat 20-Apr-13 18:15:00

As someone who is usually incensed by people parking in P&C spaces when they don't have a car

What do they park then? confused wink


ChaoticTranquility Sat 20-Apr-13 18:15:30

x post grin

Salmotrutta Sat 20-Apr-13 18:28:36

P&C spaces should be as far away from the door as possible.

They are only a courtesy and only for the removal of buggies/car seats etc. they are not for being close to the door.

Supermarkets should move those that are near doors and change them to disabled parking bays.

P&C spaces are a ridiculous concept anyway IMHO.

holidaysarenice Sat 20-Apr-13 18:37:03

I'd have laughed at her and said "does that child not have a bed?" In exactly the same judgey tone she used!!

everlong Sat 20-Apr-13 18:39:13

1am with a baby?

Are you telling porkies OP wink

The correct response would have been


and then watch her panic.

SarahBumBarer Sat 20-Apr-13 18:42:27

Odd comment Salmonuttra. Why should supermarkets do anything? They put the P&C spaces where they want for the incentivisation of a group of customers that they particularly wish to encourage. Entirely up to them if they value this particular demographic and want to provide a "perk" to them in the way of larger/closer spaces surely? confused Most parents in any event just want a safe route to the shop not necessarily proximity.

OP - Yanbu! If people were just bloody sensible about these things life would be so much pleasanter.

You could have then chanted "I want ma baby back" in the style of Fat Bastard from the Austin Power's movies for added hilarity.

spottyparrot Sat 20-Apr-13 18:43:06

P&C spaces should not be as far from the door as possible. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Disabled should obv be closest, then P&C. I think it is desirable for P&C spaces to be near a walkway so children are not jay walking across the car park to get to the store. If you think a child can't be injured by a moving car even though they are holding a parent's hand - think again. I saw a big vehicle reverse quickly and a woman with 2 small dc had to drag kids and jump quickly to avoid. In my Tesco, disabled are lined up right outside the store and P & C are next to the side of the car park by a large pavement leading to the store. Works for everyone.

And no, I am not entitled or anything like that - I have no cause to use either disabled or P & C spaces. However, I do remember shopping with a small baby & toddler and it's hard enough without having to traipse over the whole car park.

Salmotrutta Sat 20-Apr-13 18:47:41

You might think its ridiculous to have them far away from the door spottyparrot - but I don't.

I think there should be more disabled parking bays at the door. Not P&C spaces.

They didnt even have them when mine were children.

Ignore me though, I'm very grumpy today.

AuntieMaggie Sat 20-Apr-13 18:52:27

At that time of night I have parked in P&C and even disabled spaces if there were no normal spaces near the door if I don't feel safe.

ShellyBoobs Sat 20-Apr-13 18:54:16

It's perfectly acceptable to park in P&C spaces, without a child, at any time of day or night.

ShellyBoobs Sat 20-Apr-13 18:56:05

I do remember shopping with a small baby & toddler and it's hard enough without having to traipse over the whole car park.

Yes, it must have been hell.

spottyparrot Sat 20-Apr-13 19:02:37

I didn't say it was hell. I said it was hard enough without adding unnecessary stuff to the job.

Supermarkets are businesses - they want their customers in there so set up their car parks accordingly. It's not rocket science. Have you read the thread in active conversations about young children in danger in car parks whilst parents are juggling stuff/bugges?

JennifersBody Sat 20-Apr-13 19:03:18

1am with a baby?

Yeah, baby looked very tiny still. She could have been driving so the baby would finally go to sleep, and thought - hey I need some milk valium grin

Salmotrutta Sat 20-Apr-13 19:05:02

That was poor parenting though.

Nothing to do with P&C spaces! They weren't watching the child so it wouldn't have mattered what type of parking space it was!

Salmotrutta Sat 20-Apr-13 19:06:01

That was to spotty regarding the thread about the parents not looking out for the child.

scarlettsmummy2 Sat 20-Apr-13 19:06:46

Why would you park in a baby and toddler space if you didn't have a child in the middle of the day? Fair enough at 1am. Don't be so bloody selfish. Have you ever tried to get a child into a car seat in a normal sized space? Or tried to stop an excitable three year old from opening the door and banging it into the neighbouring car? I always think people that take them without children when they clearly know young families need them are lazy scumbags to be totally honest.

spottyparrot Sat 20-Apr-13 19:08:29

My point in my first post on this thread was that P&C spaces ought to be by a walkway/pavement where possible. That could have made it safer for children who weren't being properly supervised. So it does have to do with P&C spaces in the context of supermarkets.

Yes agreed poor parenting. But poor parenting is pretty common!

ShadowStorm Sat 20-Apr-13 19:14:41

Generally it's unreasonable to park in a P&C space without a child.

But at 1am? It's not at all likely that more than 10 parents with babies or toddlers are going to turn up before you've done your shopping and left.

I'd be more judgy about the parents taking the child out at 1am than about the childless driver parking in the P&C space at 1am.

CatOfTheDay Sat 20-Apr-13 19:14:48

My mum parked in a P&C space with me when I was 26!

(I was struggling on crutches at the time though and they were nearest the door)

Skellig Sat 20-Apr-13 19:24:09

I find P&C spaces really useful as with a three door car it can sometimes be impossible to get a car seat in/out if people have parked too close. So I don't think they are a ridiculous concept. It's also handy if they are nearer to the store to minimise the transition from car to store in poor weather.


ilovesooty Sat 20-Apr-13 19:26:24

It's also handy if they are nearer to the store to minimise the transition from car to store in poor weather

I'm sure someone will mention children melting in the rain in a moment grin

AmandaPayneAteTooMuchChocolate Sat 20-Apr-13 19:30:17

I find the spaces useful (though I fully recognise they are a perk). Some spaces are so narrow it can be tough to get kids out. Especially back when we had a three door car. Also handy that they are often near a little walk way so you can safely deposit one child whilst removing the other from the car.

But 1am? No, perfectly fine. At 1am I don't even car if you park horizontally across three P&C spaces.

TidyDancer Sat 20-Apr-13 19:33:05

Ooh I love a good old P&C parking thread.

Popcorn anyone?

Fillyjonk75 Sat 20-Apr-13 19:37:25

I would normally think badly of people for misusing P&C spaces, but really at one am I don't think many parents would be there, or that it's bad to park in them at that time.

Skellig Sat 20-Apr-13 19:42:08

I am aware they don't melt! smile But it's not nice for them having to sit in a car seat in poor weather when they can't move about. As an adult, I'm more than happy to walk the length of a car park in the rain so a baby doesn't have to be carried the same distance, iyswim.

mumofweeboys Sat 20-Apr-13 19:48:10

1am in morning, crikey the women with baby is mental. At that time I would park in a disabled space too if I was just nipping in.

Must admit I love p/c spaces. Im very pregnant - measuring huge, there have been times I physically couldnt fit down the side of normal parking space to get my toddler out of car and then feel guilty cos the door hits car next door as I try to wrestle him out.

At 1am I'd be parking in wherever was closest to the door and wouldn't give a flying fuck turd about anyone else.

This is because our local Tesco is a dogging spot grin

I don't blip my lights either ....

colleysmill Sat 20-Apr-13 19:51:15

A few weeks ago we were parked in a p & c space when dh (i was returning the trolley) was accosted by a lady asking where his child was. Dh was a bit surprised but pointed to ds (3) inside.

In fairness we had taken the campervan to fill up with booze petrol so ds isn't always visible and she did apologize but it was the first time we have ever been challenged.

At 1am though I can't imagine there's much of a rush on for any parking space

SirChenjin Sat 20-Apr-13 19:53:17

Whoops - way back upthread I meant baby or child, not car! That's what happens when you're trying to help build a meccano car and MN at the same time grin

LST Sat 20-Apr-13 19:56:06

Yanbu op.

But to anyone saying anyone can park in c&p spaces, you are wrong. You get fined £100 at our local Asda if you park in a c&p space without a child.

magimedi Sat 20-Apr-13 19:57:06

Parking - schmarking - yawn.

TidyDancer Sat 20-Apr-13 19:59:39

Lst, sorry but you are wrong. It's not a fine, it's an invoice. You can't be fined unless you're in a council car park. Asda or their contractor are relying on the stupidity of people to pay the invoices.

SirChenjin Sat 20-Apr-13 19:59:55

If it's so yawn why go to the bother using muscle power to type on this thread? There are plenty more that you'll find less yawn if you go to 'Active'

SirChenjin Sat 20-Apr-13 20:01:13

Tidy - did the law not change recently? I vaguely recall reading something on here about that confused

LST Sat 20-Apr-13 20:03:02

Tidy my dp works there. I am afraid you are wrong. It also states the same in the disabled spaces.

TidyDancer Sat 20-Apr-13 20:04:10

I think it changed wrt clamping (was oreviously not allowed on private land) and the companies can pursue people for the charge but afaik it is still legally an invoice not a fine.

TidyDancer Sat 20-Apr-13 20:04:52

They can say what they want lst, and quite often do. Private companies running private car parks do not and should not have the same powers as the council.

magimedi Sat 20-Apr-13 20:05:20

If it's so yawn why go to the bother using muscle power to type on this thread? There are plenty more that you'll find less yawn if you go to 'Active'

This was on active. And I am quite happy to give my fingers some exercise.

TidyDancer Sat 20-Apr-13 20:07:04

Disabled spaces are also a legal entitlement so they may have some weight there. But P&C spaces are not legal rights, so they would be on shaky ground anyway even if they were fines. You either permit someone to park somewhere or you don't, you don't make arbitrary decisions as to who can park where unless it is wrt disabled spaces.

SirChenjin Sat 20-Apr-13 20:08:07

Ah, OK smile

ShellyBoobs Sat 20-Apr-13 20:09:07

You get fined £100 at our local Asda if you park in a c&p space without a child.


I'd like to see the cunts try fining me.

They'd be told to fuck the fuck off to the far end of fuck, but less politely.

SirChenjin Sat 20-Apr-13 20:09:19

Really Magi - you go to the bother of posting yawn on a thread that doesn't interest you? Why, in the name of the wee man??

ShellyBoobs Sat 20-Apr-13 20:11:49

Tidy my dp works there. I am afraid you are wrong.

No, you're wrong.

What legal recourse do you think a supermarket has?

At the very most they could persue someone through the courts to try to obtain damages for the loss that was incurred.

What would that loss be?

TidyDancer Sat 20-Apr-13 20:14:30

Exactly Shelly. And LST has shown exactly why those shysters continue to get away with their practices. They make invoices look like fines and people don't question them.

MrsMelons Sat 20-Apr-13 20:15:22

YANBU, at 1am very very few people will be out with children, I have managed to avoid it with my DCs so far and don't know anyone else in RL who have had to do that fortunately so I really can't see the issue.

There is no need to park in them normally unless obviously you have children with you, have any sort of disability including crutches or such like or for any other genuine reason. Just because they are not a legal right doesn't mean people should be inconsiderate but late at night it is irrelevant!

If she was out at 1am with a small babyshe is likely to be very tired and probably overeacted!

BTW our Asda say they issue 'fines' but we all know you don't have to pay them.

BumBiscuits Sat 20-Apr-13 20:24:08

I don't believe that P&C spaces should be available to those who have chosen to sit on it rather than suck it.

crashdoll Sat 20-Apr-13 20:55:27

I'm going to borrow lots of children and gently place them smack bang in the middle of every P&C parking space I can find.

apostropheuse Sat 20-Apr-13 21:01:19

I wanted to use a mother and child space the other night, but my son refused to go in it. He said him being twenty-five meant we didn't need it and proceeded to drive to another space.

I think he was being very unreasonable.

ceebie Sat 20-Apr-13 21:36:31

If I was out with my baby at 1am I certainly would have been very grumpy indeed and would have bitched at everyone who witnessed me out when babies should be in bed. I probably would also have bitched about the self-scan tills saying "unexpected item in the bagging area" when there wasn't, refusing to give the 20p discount on the two broccolis, and there being no-one available in customer services to sort it out.

RunRabbit Sat 20-Apr-13 22:19:15

Admit it. You parked there on purpose so you could post a thread on MN about it, because you know just how much Mumsnetters love P+C threads wink


sashh Sun 21-Apr-13 01:26:28

The correct response in this situation is:

What? Shit? Where is she? And then start frantically looking under the car

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