to hate Gideon even more after seeing him crying at Thatchers funeral?

(384 Posts)
ssd Wed 17-Apr-13 22:34:53

detest that man, he cries at a funeral like this then goes back to ruining lives

utterly hate him

auntmargaret Wed 17-Apr-13 22:37:37

I couldn't agree more.

Gossipmonster Wed 17-Apr-13 22:37:53

You think it was a real tear?

He looked like he was forcing it out so hard he might've shit himself.


CashmereHoodlum Wed 17-Apr-13 22:38:07


crazynanna Wed 17-Apr-13 22:38:54

Shame he can't shed a tear for all those queueing at Foodbanks, and wrapped in blankets with no heating.

KittieCat Wed 17-Apr-13 22:39:00

He makes me angry on sight. He's a true twunt.


ComposHat Wed 17-Apr-13 22:39:05

They al probably drew lots and he was the designated crier.

Or he was upset that it was announced that unemployment is up to 2.6 million and his idol Maggie managed over 3 million unemployed. T

o be fair to him, there aren't actually that many factories, mines or care homes left to close as Thatcher had got there first.

Plus what Kittie said ^ smile

His tear is up for auction on eBay.

onemorebite Wed 17-Apr-13 22:40:12

I thought it just looked really weird. Like a waxwork melting.

MonstersInception Wed 17-Apr-13 22:41:06


Fairylea Wed 17-Apr-13 22:42:06

Ewwwww. Made me cringe. And then sick. Bastard.

Gossipmonster Wed 17-Apr-13 22:43:26

Yes I thought he looked waxy too.

Maybe he sent his spare?

LOL at drawing lots grin

pippibluestocking Wed 17-Apr-13 22:44:02

George Osborne, Monsters

Darkesteyes Wed 17-Apr-13 22:44:20

I was just as surprised to see this as you OP. I thought he was too mean to part with anything.

ssd Wed 17-Apr-13 22:44:27

true compos, he's probably pissed off she got the chance to wreck then country before he did

NayFindus Wed 17-Apr-13 22:44:28

I liked what HIGNFY said about him, which was something like he went to Morrisons to give a speech and said Bridain instead of Britain: gotta instead of got to: and you lot instead of oiks.

The man wants to be Tony Blair. Be warned.

lecce Wed 17-Apr-13 22:44:40

yanbu. A repulsive sight indeed.

munchkinmaster Wed 17-Apr-13 22:46:44

It was a bet. Can he look even more ridiculous - yes he can, it turns out. Fuck sake, wipe it away man, don't leave it rolling down your face like a toddler who's had his sweetie stolen.

Haystack Wed 17-Apr-13 22:46:51

I find my vocabulary sadly lacking in strong enough expletives to do justice to my fury with the utter bastard.
I really thought I couldn't detest him more - I will never underestimate his evil powers again.

GerardWay Wed 17-Apr-13 22:46:56

Ffs, he was at a funeral, no one knows what's going on or has gone on in his private life to make him shed a tear.

FunnysInLaJardin Wed 17-Apr-13 22:47:37

loathe him and his crocodile thatcherite tears. He is a fucker

Asheth Wed 17-Apr-13 22:49:19

YANBU. He just wanted to be photographed and knew that was one way to get the spotlight. Ugh!

coreny Wed 17-Apr-13 22:50:38

crocodile tears to appeal to the those mourning Thatcher

He has no shame

andubelievedthat Wed 17-Apr-13 22:51:03

Or he is crying because she got to Hell 1st and so gets to close down several furnaces,pay off Satan"s little helpers and privatise whats left.

ComposHat Wed 17-Apr-13 22:52:36

It was a Bullingdon Club bet - Oiky Osbourne had to cry or the bigger chaps would make him drink a pint of his own piss.

onemorebite Wed 17-Apr-13 22:52:41

I actually don't hate him. I just think he is really incompetent. I don't think I can hate someone just for being rubbish at their job.

NayFindus Wed 17-Apr-13 22:53:20

Maybe there's not as many suicides due to ATOS as he hoped.

FunnysInLaJardin Wed 17-Apr-13 22:53:51

my leftie dad turned 88 yesterday and his life's achievement was to outlive Thatcher. He won and was proud grin

BottleRed76 Wed 17-Apr-13 22:53:52

I wondered the same about a private sadness but then realised I felt absolutely no sympathy for him. Horrid little man.

Jinsei Wed 17-Apr-13 22:54:01

I couldn't dislike him any more than I do already. I despise him.

It was weird to see him crying about Thatcher. It's not as if he knew her well. hmm

YouTheCat Wed 17-Apr-13 22:54:11

I'm with Composhat on this. I reckon it was a bet.

It's the kind of sick thing that lot would bet on.

morethanpotatoprints Wed 17-Apr-13 22:54:21

Only a weird person or somebody after attention doesn't wipe a tear away. What a knob.

Sparrowp Wed 17-Apr-13 22:56:19

was he crying about the little children that died in a fire?

no? oh.

crazynanna Wed 17-Apr-13 23:00:36

If you yawn without opening your produce tears.

He was bored shitless,then.

ComposHat Wed 17-Apr-13 23:02:10

or he had the hymn book on his lap and accidently shut his bawbag in it?

Given his tendency to park in disabled bays and help himself to first class seats when he's only paid for standard, I'm amazed he didn't try and hitch a ride on the gun carriage as it was pulled through the streets.

edam Wed 17-Apr-13 23:06:43

Gerard, this is the man who is busy making life intolerable for the most vulnerable - charging the severely disabled for having 'spare bedrooms', for instance. (Yeah, because moving someone for whom life is very, very painful and difficult away from their family is such a great idea, and there are loads of spare adapted, ground floor one-bed council properties...)

edam Wed 17-Apr-13 23:07:41

Meant to include a grin at Compos's point about the gun carriage - very true!

He's a cunt, they all are.

NayFindus Wed 17-Apr-13 23:17:20

Jazz. Really hmm

Gideon's not as nice as a cunt.

BMW6 Wed 17-Apr-13 23:30:41

Jeez. He was moved at a funeral. hmm
Some of you disgust me.

picnicbasketcase Wed 17-Apr-13 23:35:28

Agree with all those calling him a big fakey heartless cunt.

BMW6 Wed 17-Apr-13 23:41:10


GerardWay Wed 17-Apr-13 23:44:18

Waves hands to BMW6. I was beginning to think I was on my own on here.

thebody Wed 17-Apr-13 23:45:48

He looks wierd and wax worky! Very very strange little man.

Viviennemary Wed 17-Apr-13 23:50:21

I only just saw this a few minutes ago. I have gone right off the Tories in this last week. They have truly shown where their priorities lie. And it isn't the people of this country.

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 23:52:54

Odious little cunt, at that.

twofingerstoGideon Wed 17-Apr-13 23:53:59

Jeez. He was moved at a funeral. Some of you disgust me.

See, it disgusts me that someone can be more 'moved' (giving him the benefit of the doubt here) by the death of a very old woman they probably barely knew, while remaining utterly unmoved as they slash benefits to disabled people and push people deeper into poverty.

babanouche Wed 17-Apr-13 23:55:14

he's an arsebiscuit

picnicbasketcase Wed 17-Apr-13 23:56:20

<applauds twofingers>

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 23:57:12

Absolutely twofingers

BMW6 Thu 18-Apr-13 00:03:10

Well I was moved - and I never voted for Mrs T.
I think that the sneering on here is distasteful. I do wish some posters would just grow up a bit.

twofingerstoGideon Thu 18-Apr-13 00:14:42

I think all the fawning sycophancy is distasteful. I do wish some posters would just grow up a bit.

Startail Thu 18-Apr-13 00:22:32

Who knows what makes someone cry at a funeral, the tears may not even have been for mrs T, but for some other memory.

seeker Thu 18-Apr-13 00:29:29

I was one of the booers at the Paralympics- proudest moment since confronting Keith Joseph........

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 00:37:17

I am in awe, seeker. grin

BMW, were you even old enough to vote when Thatcher was in power?

I grew up already... under Thatcher. Please don't tell me who I should respect. I know my own mind well enough.

jaywall Thu 18-Apr-13 00:38:06

Yeah i wish we could have Gordon Brown back, he made everything just SUPER.

Darkesteyes Thu 18-Apr-13 00:39:43

jaywall is also on the bedroom tax thread displaying disabilism. Hey at least its consistent.

PeneloPeePitstop Thu 18-Apr-13 00:42:04

You can buy that tear on eBay... For £10 million.

seeker Thu 18-Apr-13 00:42:32

Oh, youthecat, I have SOOOO many anecdotes. Sit me me by the fire, buy me gin and I will tell you such stories.........

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 00:45:12

I have no gin sad

Darkesteyes Thu 18-Apr-13 00:46:38

I have an unopened bottle of Sauvignon Blanc left over from New Year.

funnys similar story to mine LOL. My Dad (he is almost 81) really poorly at the moment - a Shop steward, Union leader, hard working, labour Man....and a lifelong Manchester City fan!! On Monday this week he said 'What a week love....Thatchers dead and City are through to the FA cup final, against Wigan - another local football club!!!!

Never ask me to shed a tear for this bunch of malakers (favourite Greek swear word) that pretend to be the Government.....and I refuse to explain again to any bugger how Thatcher destroyed my part of the UK....Lancashire.

twofingerstoGideon Thu 18-Apr-13 00:55:35

'Malakers' was the first Greek word I ever learned <nostalgic>

Fargo86 Thu 18-Apr-13 01:02:46

I got a bit teary watching the funeral too. sad

ravenAK Thu 18-Apr-13 01:07:19

I just thought: 'Knob.'

This is my invariable response to Gideon, though. Had he suddenly stripped naked & hurled himself into the crowd, he'd still be an over-promoted, pointless, incompetent, nasty piece of work.

So no, the fake tear didn't change my opinion.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 01:11:52

I think he was fwightened because he'd just realised there was a dead body in the room. And then his face got all wet.

He reminds of some potato-faced 8 year old in a perpetual state of confusion. Perhaps it is all those hard sums he's doing to strip yet more from the poorest and all that protecting of the richest.

Hateful scrotum.

ssd Thu 18-Apr-13 08:08:56

he was probably hoping some old tory like norman tebbit would give him a lollipop on the way out

streakybacon Thu 18-Apr-13 08:13:51

Ds reckoned Gideon was carrying out routine system maintenance during a downtime window and it was oil being flushed out. Made perfect sense to me.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 09:02:54

Streaky! Hahaha. Your son is jokes.

Pagwatch Thu 18-Apr-13 09:12:05

I rarely cry but often cry at funerals. It is quite often not about the person being buried but about a previous loss.
I don't know about why he was crying, I didn't see the funeral - I didn't want to - but I am uncomfortable about taunting over private grief tbh.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 09:22:53

YANBU. My first thought when I saw him shed a tear was "I didn't know that ventriloquist's dolls could cry"

It was a weird juxtaposition, seeing a symbol of sympathy and humanity (a tear) streaming down one of the most unsympathetic and most unhumane faces in Great Britain.

Was also annoyed by SamCam smirking her way through the service. The camera panned to her when someone was doing a solemn reading and she was sitting there with this weird, fixed half-grin on her face.

Never seen so many tossers assembled in one place in my life.

GrowSomeCress Thu 18-Apr-13 09:26:56

Pathetic thread

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 09:28:29

One of my friends had seen the seating arrangement and said that they'd put June Whitfield between PW Botha and Gorbachev.

I hope they didn't - poor June. sad

Dawndonna Thu 18-Apr-13 09:29:49

No, it isn't pathetic. It's expressing anger about something valid. Something that is happening now, to us, to people we care about.
It's pathetic to come onto a thread like this, and call it pathetic.

GrowSomeCress Thu 18-Apr-13 09:35:39

Criticising someone for crying at a funeral is pathetic.

HazeltheMcWitch Thu 18-Apr-13 09:38:19

That's a lovely story, YouTheCat, but Botha died in 2006, and Gorbachev is too infirm to travel (so sent apologies), so it's unfortunately not true.

Was June Whitfield there? I have no idea. Why the fuck was Katherine Jenkins there though?

HazeltheMcWitch Thu 18-Apr-13 09:39:48

Re the crying, I'm with Pag. Criticise his politics, name, background - fine. But to mock his grief at a funeral is a step too far.

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 09:46:28

I shall have to tell her she's been fed porkies grin - she's a journalist.

I wasn't sure about Botha (could have googled) but I didn't think June was the sort to attend.

lottieandmia Thu 18-Apr-13 09:49:23

Of all the tories I despise him the most.

HazeltheMcWitch Thu 18-Apr-13 09:49:38

Love that she's a journo!
Was she getting Botha mixed up with FW de Klerk - who did attend?

Thinking about it, June is probably the type that was there. I suspect she's true blue, and she's about the right age...

MiniTheMinx Thu 18-Apr-13 09:49:43

It's expressing anger about something valid. Something that is happening now, to us, to people we care about

I think his tears were real. Its a strange thing but people tend to have buckets of empathy for people just like them, some people lack empathy for people unlike them, some have it for everyone and others lack it totally.

I have never doubted that Georgie Peorgie is human. He isn't what you call a thinker, I don't think he will ever realise the harm he is doing because he will never come face to face with the human face of it, he isn't one of us. Thatcher no doubt went to her grave having no idea of the destruction she caused.

This is what you get when you combine class with lack of intellect. He illustrates perfectly what is wrong with our whole social system.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 18-Apr-13 09:52:24

Is it against Godwin's Law to remember that Goebels was known for his lachrymose tendencies too? wink

GrowSomeCress Thu 18-Apr-13 09:52:43

Dawndonna then why not have a thread criticising his policies, rather than him crying at a funeral? hmm

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 09:52:45

"But to mock his grief at a funeral is a step too far"

His mock grief is a step too far.

Dawndonna Thu 18-Apr-13 09:53:17

Less jeering and smugness when implementing divisive policies may just have helped people feel sorry for him when mourning someone equally divisive.

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 09:54:12

Could have been De Klerk - I'd forgotten about him.

BMW6 Thu 18-Apr-13 10:04:15

BMW, were you even old enough to vote when Thatcher was in power?

Yes. First voted 1976. Started work HMRC 1975, so in my 34 year career worked under Labour and Conservative so have seen it all from both political parties in respect of my work.

Thanks for asking......

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 18-Apr-13 10:06:55

I think that what people are objecting to is the fact that the tear looked fake and crocodile like. If it looked like real grief then I for one wouldn't mock.

And btw don't assume GO is stupid, he is certainly not and knows exactly what he is doing, which makes him all the more chilling. If you have him down as stupid he will get away with even more.

shabba grin at your Dads excellent week!

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 10:11:07

He was also doing the starey-eyed thing that I used to do when I was little to make more tears come out. If you keep your eyes wide open without blinking for a few minutes, voila! Tears. Gideon knows. I used to do this when I wanted a new Keypers or to stay up and watch Boon.

Pagwatch Thu 18-Apr-13 10:12:08

Arf at mocking grief/mock grief

Gawd, I am aware it sounds holier than thou which is why I say I m uncomfortable rather than have a go at anyone else.
But it is uncomfortable to me.
I just can't whine about a lack of empathy and kindness, about a society attacked through disinterest and selfishness and then display exactly those traits myself . I just can't. It's as if people are gleeful behaving in exactly the manner they claim to depise.
I can't do it. I want to be better than them.

And 'this is what real grief looks like' stuff irritates the crap out of me. Grief doesn't look like any one thing. I suspect I looked bored during my dads funeral. I just wish people were all kinder. How else do we get a kinder society other than by being so, even to wankers.

<skips off>

NicholasTeakozy Thu 18-Apr-13 10:14:31

Those weren't tears. His eyeballs were sweating.

adeucalione Thu 18-Apr-13 10:16:06

Just because it was incongruous with his public image doesn't mean it wasn't a real tear. How on earth can any of us ever know whether it was real or fake, it is hardly worth debating. Mocking someone for displaying emotion at a funeral is a new low I think, regardless of the policies his party are pursuing.

mrsjay Thu 18-Apr-13 10:18:25

why is he called Gideon? apart from my confusion it gave me the creeps I think he had make up on his face looked streaky , he actually made me shudder

LaQueen Thu 18-Apr-13 10:18:55

Someone cries at a funeral...blimey, whatever next hmm

I get tearful at most funerals, even when I don't know the person that well.

I think it's the very solemn atmosphere, and very often they play the same classical piece of music that was played at my Dad's funeral, and it brings back too many memories sad

LaQueen Thu 18-Apr-13 10:21:01

'This is what real grief looks like...'

Crock. Of. Shit.

And, I agree with Pag in that I didn't actually cry at my own Dad's funeral, I was too stunned, too desperate to stay strong for my Mum...I felt like my face was set in stone sad

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 10:25:42

grin Teakozy. Sweaty eyes, heh heh!

It's one weasley-faced bastard crying at the death of another weaseley-faced bastard. I think that's the thing rattling everyone. You could see the gimlet-eyed determination on his face as he looked heavenward (she ain't up there, Gids) as if he was saying to her "I. Will. Finish. Your. Work." Twat.

Lottapianos Thu 18-Apr-13 10:30:20

'Never seen so many tossers assembled in one place in my life.'

grin Very true.

Gideon's grief may have been genuine, who knows. But I think the point most posters make is that it's ironic to see him so moved and looking quite human and empathetic when he's usually just a hard-faced, thoughtless, uncaring scumbag. And when there's no chance of him being so moved by any of the heart-rending stories about people walking 10 miles each way to pick up emergency provisions from food banks. In Britain. In 2013. He should be dying of shame all day every day instead of smugging off like he does.

Sam Cam pees me off no end - she walks and waves and looks like a scared little girl. Act like a grown woman FFS - take some lessons from the wonderful Miriam Gonzales Durantez.

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 10:36:03

Gideon's his real name mrsjay. He didn't like the name and took the name George when he was 13.

I don't know whether he's changed it officially or whether it's still an assumed name.

101handbags Thu 18-Apr-13 10:38:05

'Criticising someone for crying at a funeral is pathetic.' - Couldn't agree more. In any case, who knows why people cry at a funeral? It is not necessarily linked to the funeral you are attending, it could be a memory of someone else or some other private loss that triggered it and not actually anything to do with Mrs Thatcher. Oh and I dislike George Osborne as much as the next person but would not criticise him for crying at a funeral.

seeker Thu 18-Apr-13 10:38:18

Gideon Oliver was his given name. He changed it at 14. "Life is much easier as a George"

I can't imagine what issues he and his peers could have had with Gideon..............hmm

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 10:40:18

Lottpianos said everything that I feel about this but I couldn't articulate it as well so I'll just stick to calling him a plastic-faced twat with all the feeling of a used condom discarded down a back alley after a perfunctory and thoughtless fumble.

catsmother Thu 18-Apr-13 10:41:33

We will never know if those tears were heartfelt (for whatever reason, the solemn atmosphere, the poignant moment in history, remembrance of a past loss etc etc) or forced.

But while his policies are causing untold misery and distress to the most vulnerable members of society it's very hard - if you actually care about what's happening - to see one of those most responsible expressing grief/concern/care/sadness/humanity (arguably ..) for any reason - even if those reasons are perfectly understandable, e.g. remembering the last funeral - perhaps of a dearly beloved relative - he attended. By all means let him react by shedding a tear - but for god's sake consider for a moment the 100s of 1000s, maybe millions whose lives are fast becoming a living misery ATM.

I often cry at funerals - I cry at news stories, or sometimes at TV tributes to people I obviously never knew, or didn't think I cared about previously. Sometimes the poignancy simply gets you - sometimes it's a reminder of our own mortality. But I've also cried at some of the stories I've read here lately - people trapped in utterly impossible situations who are being penalised for having "spare" bedrooms when, with the best will in the world, there is NOWHERE else for them to move to. Vulnerable people having the rug pulled out from beneath them - vulnerable people in specially adapted properties which they were given who are now told they must in effect pay an additional premium for.

It's very very hard to watch politicians responsible for casuing such huge distress expressing any sort of "normal" sympathetic emotion when at the same time they seem incapable of expressing sympathy and/or understanding for people in desperate need. That's why there's been various sneering posts on this thread - because people are beyond angry about what's happening, and when you see a politician demonstrating that under some circumstances (and arguably far far less important circumstances than all but destroying 100s of 1000s of lives - if he was crying for Thatcher then regardless of her position as significant world leader etc she was 87, had a good innings and so on, if he was crying for an individual close to him then we are talking one life v thousands) they can show a "human" side, it really sticks in your throat.

infamouspoo Thu 18-Apr-13 10:46:11

Davey had his eyes half shut. Did he nod off?

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 10:58:42

<applauds catsmother>

ihategeorgeosborne Thu 18-Apr-13 11:35:00

When I saw him on the news last night, I couldn't bear to watch. It was way to cringey. As you can tell by my name, I'm not keen on the man either grin

mrsjay Thu 18-Apr-13 11:39:43

did anybody notice cherie blair she was smiling like she was at a social function confused I have expected her to do the over enthusiastic wave to somebody across the room,

and yes second the applaud for catsmother

mrsjay Thu 18-Apr-13 11:39:53


StephaniePowers Thu 18-Apr-13 11:44:45

I wonder if the tears were in any way related to his being the most hated and incompetent person in Britain?
That booing at the Paralympics had to have got to him. Nobody can brush off a stadium's worth of booing.
And every day, economists and journalists are having a go; every day reading about people who've killed themselves or tipped over into pointless and unproductive poverty directly because of his economic policies.
All this and there is NO SIGN that anything he's doing is actually bearing fruit.

Funerals are an outlet for all sorts of feelings one may not normally be able to express.

<<stands up and applauds catsmother>>

.......and, something and somebody who we should be shedding a tear for. Anne Williams - mum of 15year old Kevin who lost his life at Hillsborough - lost her battle with cancer today. A strong woman, a loving Mum who has campaigned, along with others, for many years for justice for the 96 who died. A patchwork of lies and cover ups were all that were offered to their families.

Shame that nobody in government will be shedding a tear for her.

Lottapianos Thu 18-Apr-13 11:49:09

Well said catsmother

adeucalione Thu 18-Apr-13 11:53:06

I doubt his crying had anything to do with being the most hated man in Britain. I think, when you take the job, you expect to be hated. I don't remember a popular chancellor really, just the odd one who might have been 'less hated' because he was lucky enough to be serving in a time of economic prosperity.

catsmother Thu 18-Apr-13 12:06:02

I agree with Stephanie in as much that funerals can be an outlet for all sorts of emotions you might not usually be able to express very easily. For example, if you're under severe stress, if you're depressed, if your relationship is breaking down - any worries really - then yes, I can see how it might all bubble up and come out in tears on such an occasion.

But I also agree with Adeucalione - you'd have to be an absolute, arrogant, blithering idiot to accept the role of Chancellor at any time, let alone during a period of economic crisis, and expect to be universally popular. And sure, he might not have anticipated just how hated he'd be and just how stressful the job's turning out to be - and maybe he does have sleepless nights, and obviously, it must have been a kick in the teeth to be booed as he was but do you know what ..... I still can't help but come back to the fact that his personal unease, personal stress and so on pales into insignificance against the appalling treatment being meted out to so many vulnerable people. At the end of the day he has a choice .... he could resign tomorrow if his job really became too intolerable, and thanks to his family background and personal fortune (c. £4 million apparently) could spend the rest of his days without any financial worries and without ever having to find any sort of paid employment at all.

If he was crying because he was feeling sorry for himself when he's immensely privileged then that makes all I said previously even worse.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 12:12:50

catsmother, you are right about everything about Gideon. thanks

StephaniePowers Thu 18-Apr-13 12:13:34

Well, we're all second-guessing him here grin but actually I think it's perfectly possible that he took on the job not fully knowing what it would be like to be hated that much. He probably believed the hype and thought he couldn't be as bad as Gordon Brown.
He's a jumped up little tory public schoolboy whose grasp of reality has to be slender, by dint of his background and career path.

He is a wanker of the highest order. I hate him more than I hate Cameron, and that's saying something. If I ever saw him in RL I don't think I'd be able to stop my fist from hitting that awful smug grin of his. Over privileged smug, wanky bastard.

StephaniePowers Thu 18-Apr-13 12:15:41

Also I think it's clear that his grasp of economics is that of either a very ignorant and stupid person, a psychopath, or a puppet, because quite simply the world's economists mostly told him his Plan wouldn't work, and if they supported him then they no longer support him...
It's not like we're talking about a regular bloke here. He got himself in out of his depth before he got the job. That has to take its toll.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 12:21:07

DeadWomanWalking, totally agree. I'd at least have to cough "cunt" at him.

Fuzzysnout Thu 18-Apr-13 12:33:47

What Pag said. This is one of the most disgusting threads I have ever read on MN. I'm no fan of his, but to mock someone for crying at a funeral says something very unpleasant indeed about the person doing the mocking.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 12:38:51

He's crying at the funeral of someone he doesn't know, not at the funeral of his own granny hmm

If he was grieving at a private funeral, no-one would care less.

TigerFeet Thu 18-Apr-13 12:48:23

I can't stand the bloke myself, he reminds me of Odo from DS9 <geek> he looks like he's just about to collapse into liquid form at any time. I seem to find it extremely easy to take against Tories, but that's probably my background coming out <shrug> Michael Portillo and John Redwood used to make my skin crawl when they were on telly a lot, back in the day.

Having said that, I agree with those who say that criticizing someone for crying at a funeral is a bit shitty really.

When I was younger I sang in the choir at my convent school. There were a lot of older nuns in the convent and they would keel over with alarming regularity, and even though I didn't know them I used to dread having to sing at the funeral because I KNEW I would cry. Get me every time, funerals do. Just because Gideon's a massive twat doesn't mean he can't have the same reaction.

seeker Thu 18-Apr-13 12:50:46

"What Pag said. This is one of the most disgusting threads I have ever read on MN. I'm no fan of his, but to mock someone for crying at a funeral says something very unpleasant indeed about the person doing the mocking."

You can't have read many threads then! He is a man who has shown no sympathy or empathy in his professional life. He is despicable.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 12:55:47

"This is one of the most disgusting threads I have ever read on MN"


I am more disgusted at threads such as the one started today by a MNer whose disabled sister is being fleeced by this spare bedroom tax, than by threads like this. But then we all have our own sets of morals...

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 13:03:16

One of the most disgusting threads ever seen on MN?

Get a bloody grip. Crocodile tears at a stranger's funeral whilst he fucks the disabled of this country up the arse.

My heart fucking bleeds for Gideon!

lborolass Thu 18-Apr-13 13:15:42

Regardless of whether you agree with his policies I think its a bit pathetic to continue to call someone by a name they choose not to use. He didn't choose his own name.

If my parents had picked a name for me I really didn't like for any reason I'd think it was childish in the extreme for anyone to keep calling me it just to make a point. I've seen threads on here from parentsw ho are thinking about changing their childs name and people are mostly supportive as I'm sure you would be to someone in RL.

I should add that I didn't watch any coverage of the funeral so don't know anything about who cried and who didn't.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 13:19:16

Seriously? That's your main concern about George Osborne, that some Mumsnetters are calling him by his given name? Sheesh...

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 18-Apr-13 13:19:58

don't worry lboro I doubt he's a mnetter

lborolass Thu 18-Apr-13 13:23:36

Haha, no, not my main concern but I think it can devalue valid points particularly as some people as seen above don't know who this is about.

As I said, I didn't see him crying so it's the only thing I can comment on smile

Dawndonna Thu 18-Apr-13 13:24:42

People are committing suicide because of the policies this man has instigated.
People are dying in a worried and confused state, not being given the option of dying peacefully because of these policies.
People are filling up mental health wards because of this man.
That is what is disgusting.

popuphairbrush Thu 18-Apr-13 13:26:07

The irony in some of the anti Tory threads - the Tories are berated for being cold and heartless but some of the utter vitriol and sheer hatred coming from some posters is beyond the pale.

I agree that it's below the belt to mock someone's grief.

I also highly doubt that GO rubs his hands together in glee at home at night about all the lives he's ruining and it's puerile to imagine he does. I don't agree at all with his policies but I don't think he has some evil plan to ruin poor people's lives - I doubt he allows himself to think about the cause of his actions. Which is hardly commendable, but the pure poison directed at him unnerves me.

EldritchCleavage Thu 18-Apr-13 13:27:38

Well, catsmother's powerful posts notwithstanding, I agree with MinitheMinx and Pagwatch

I am a terrible funeral crier. If I'd been there, I'd probably have cried, despite disliking Thatcher enormously. Poignancy, generation passing into history, finality of death, beautiful music, one's own generation a step closer to grave etc etc.

LaQueen Thu 18-Apr-13 13:33:00

Well, clearly he's slightly unhinged to take on the job of Chancellor, anyway...especially a few years back.

What did that memo say, left by the previous chief accountant to the Treasury, when the Conservatives took over...?

"It's all gone..."

Very foolish Boy, to take the job on..? Still, the Chancellor is always hated, I think it's specified in their job spec?

Bridgetbidet Thu 18-Apr-13 13:35:27

Iborolass, it also stinks of antisemitism, I really object to people calling him Gideon, it really, really does have antisemitic connotations to call him Gideon as an insult.

JuliaScurr Thu 18-Apr-13 13:37:03

I enjoyed seeing Osborne cry. It was good.
More fun than seeing my uncle cry when his friend scabbed in the miners' strike.

LaQueen Thu 18-Apr-13 13:38:25

I like the name Gideon...much more than George.

Feck, if he thought Gideon was a weird name, he should have tried being at a Steiner school...Thorin...Lancelot...Endelion...Marmaduke...anyone? Anyone?

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 13:39:33

Antisemitic? hmm

Is George Osborne Jewish?

LemonBreeland Thu 18-Apr-13 13:40:45

He is such a Gideon, much more than he is a George. And he does look like a waxwork.

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 13:40:50

How about I call him the 18th Baronet of Ballintaylor then?

seeker Thu 18-Apr-13 13:40:58

As I said earlier.
"Gideon Oliver was his given name. He changed it at 14. "Life is much easier as a George" he said.

I can't imagine what issues he and his peers could have had with Gideon.............."

I call him Gideon not as an insult, but to call him out.

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 13:41:47

Is he Jewish? I hadn't realised. I suspect that underneath the surface toffs are a bit anti-semitic.

I always cry at funerals.


Bridgetbidet Thu 18-Apr-13 13:43:46

He's not Jewish. He may well have changed his name because he's a bit of an anti-semite himself. Call him Baronet of Birkenhead if you want. I just really don't like a Jewish name being thrown around as an insult like there is something wrong with having a Jewish name.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 13:44:10

How is calling him by his name an insult, ffs? And an anti-semitic one at that?!

Jesus wept.

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 13:44:42

Faure's Requiem is very moving.

We nearly always sing 'The Day Thou Gavest' at family funerals. I can never sing it now without tears, even in otherwise joyful church services.

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 13:46:21

Good grief, the name isn't being 'thrown around as an insult' because it's Jewish, it's thrown around because that's his actual name. It's really quite simple.

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 18-Apr-13 13:46:57

Is the name Gideon jewish then? You learn summat new every day

bettyfish Thu 18-Apr-13 13:47:51

I have to say, that if I where to meet Gideon, I would give him something to cry about........

ComposHat Thu 18-Apr-13 13:51:26

He's not Jewish and Gideon is his real name. ffs. His family are minor anglo-irish aristocrats as I recall.

How is that antisemitic?

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 13:51:44

Is your brain wired up wrong, Bridget?

His given name is being bandied about because he chose to change it, for whatever reason. Not because there's anything "wrong" with it. I happen to like the name (but prefer Gideon Coe to Gideon Osborne)

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 13:52:31

Let's just all call him "cunt" and sidestep the accusations of anti-semitism then. It is his rightful name after all.

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 13:53:37

Just realised I have no idea what kind of woman would shackle herself to Baron Gideon in matrimony. Must google.

Fargo86 Thu 18-Apr-13 13:54:12

He changed his name to George.

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 13:55:24

It's an Old Testament name, but then so are Adam, Samuel, Daniel, Benjamin, Noah ........ Abednego. I never thought of them as being especially Jewish. Maybe he did though?

noddyholder Thu 18-Apr-13 13:56:33

Someone I know met her she's a writer I think and they said she looks like me or vice versa I am most put out!

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 13:57:37

He married some buxom scullery maid called The Hon Frances Victoria Howell. But apparently his daughter is called Liberty! Surprising, I'd have thought that was a bit too OK magazine for the Baron.

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 13:58:58
MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 14:01:05

If it makes you feel any better noddy, I have been told that I look like SamCam if she looked into the back of a spoon sad

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 14:01:41

Wow. Dead-eyed stares come in job lots Chez Osbourne.

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 14:02:27

They have that sibling-y look thing going on.

NicholasTeakozy Thu 18-Apr-13 14:02:40

I never refer to him by his given name. I always call him Gidiot.

adeucalione Thu 18-Apr-13 14:04:13

I don't know what religion he is, but his brother is muslim.

Bridgetbidet Thu 18-Apr-13 14:05:42

Shesheslob, that is a perfect compromise.

LaVolcan, it is an identifiably Jewish name like Solomon or Chaim or Ariel and it is not widely used outside Jewish circles.

It really does make my hackles stand up that it's used as an insult.

I much prefer cunt.

adeucalione Thu 18-Apr-13 14:07:46

I thought people called him Gideon because it sounds posher than George, thus suggesting that he changed his name in order to sound more like one of us (even though he did it at the age of 13).

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 14:08:29

I did not know that Gideon was a Jewish name. I'll warrant many others don't either.

seeker Thu 18-Apr-13 14:10:01

Oh, for crying out loud. He said "Life is easier as a George"

Now there may be other reasons that a person at public school would find life easier without a name usually used by Jewish people, but the only one I can think of is that the atmosphere at that school is so anti Semitic that having a Jewish name is a problem. Or that the person concerned was so anti Semitic that they didn't want to have a Jewish name.

seeker Thu 18-Apr-13 14:11:12

And I find it really hard to believe that most people don't know that Gideon is a Jewish name!

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 14:11:20

Osborne's family saw fit to use it, presumably liking it, and knowing it from the Old Testament. Same with Solomon. My brother had a teacher with that name; I've no idea whether he was Jewish.

Are Chaim and Ariel in the Old Testament? I didn't think they were.

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 14:12:41

I genuniely did not know it was Jewish. It was the name of a pervy religion teacher I had in school. He wasn't Jewish.

EldritchCleavage Thu 18-Apr-13 14:15:45

What seeker said.

noddyholder Thu 18-Apr-13 14:16:40

Had a look and am hopefully nothing like her! Although am buxom hmm

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 14:16:51

He may have changed it because it is Jewish, he may have changed it because it is quite unusual and ergo, conspicuous.

I would wager on it being the former, though. I bet the Bullingdon wouldn't have let a perceived Jew into their wanky ranks. hmm

seeker Thu 18-Apr-13 14:20:34

Just remember that "Life is easier as a George"

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 14:20:49

Just looked up that fount of all wisdom, Wikipedia. It lists Ariel as biblical, but doesn't mention Chaim.

Is St Paul's school anti-semitic? Not all of us are London based, so we wouldn't have a clue about schools there.

I thought people were calling him Gideon because of his pretentiousness. George was definitely old-fashioned in the early 80s. It's only come back now with the trend for older names.

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 14:22:20

Marmalade - I suspect that's it with regard to the Bullingdon.

seeker Thu 18-Apr-13 14:23:03

The British upper classes are notoriously anti Semitic. Margaret Thatcher was conspicuous for promoting Jewish people into cabinet- the posh boys around r were very uncomfortable about it! Imagine if she's promoted a Jewish woman! No danger of that, though.....

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 14:23:47

If he'd been christened 'Peregrine' people would now be calling him that. It's not the name, it's the trying to make himself sound a smidge more ordinary when he's far from it.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 14:24:57

Well he's a wanker whatever the reason for changing his name, whether it was to sound more "everyman" or to disassociate himself from Jewishness.

It obviously makes him uncomfortable to be called Gideon, so I shall continue to refer to him as such.

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 14:28:06

So who started this Gideon stuff? Apart from it still being one of his names. Was it upper class people who don't like him, because he's not quite 'one of us'? Private Eye always caricatures the Tory cabinet as regarding him as an 'oik' - presumably because he's not an Old Etonian.

Mrs Thatcher - not exactly renowned for promoting any women to her cabinet. One, I think, eventually.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 14:31:09

"Mrs Thatcher - not exactly renowned for promoting any women to her cabinet. One, I think, eventually."

And this is why I have been in a perpetual state of radge over the last week on Facebook, what with everyone proclaiming her a feminist icon. Feminist icon my arse.

seeker Thu 18-Apr-13 14:35:55

When he changed his name to George it was not an ordinary name. It has become one- but at the time it was most definitely posh. There is no doubt in my mind that he changed it because he is anti Semitic. Nothing to do with "wanting to be like us" more not wanting to be identified as "one of them"

Nanny0gg Thu 18-Apr-13 14:48:05

Not much generalising on this thread, then?

Guesswork, supposition and spitefulness.

By all means disagree with his policies and his actions, but the rest is nasty.

It was a funeral for the former leader of his party, Why assume she was a stranger?

And I am no apologist for Maggie (though please bear in mind, she was democratically elected three times, whether you agree with that or not), and I cried, politics completely aside - the music was wonderful and I did feel for her family.

He may well have felt the same.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 14:50:15

She was a stranger to him. He admitted last week that he had "very little personal attachment" to MT.

I think that anyone who cries for someone they didn't know is a bit mad (people who've died in tragic circumstances/children excepted)

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 14:52:18

But she was a stranger to him. Maybe he cries at the drop of a hat watching sad films and nature programmes . . . . . . . seeing as he has so much empathy.

Nanny0gg Thu 18-Apr-13 14:53:06

So, at 13 he changed his name as an act of anti-Semitism.


LaQueen Thu 18-Apr-13 14:56:12

I was a bit tearful at DH's Grandmas's funeral, though I'd barely met her...I just found the music very moving, and the sombre atmosphere and the looks of sadness on the family's faces.

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 14:57:28

@NannyOgg Would this name change have co-incided with his going to St Paul's and is it a hotbed of anti-semitism? He was already from a 'posh' family. Did he want to sound more posh?

corlan Thu 18-Apr-13 14:57:45

It would have taken a heart of stone not to laugh wink

Me too LaQueen

TicTacSir Thu 18-Apr-13 15:01:43

He was secretly tweezing his pubes out one by one well known in acting circles as a tip to aid crying on cue

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 15:03:26

NannyOgg, what you're forgetting is that he went to one of the country's most elite schools. If anti-semitism is bred into the elite (evidence says it is) then he might have been ribbed for the Jewish connotations of his name. Thirteen year-old boys are as capable of taking the piss out of religion/class etc as adults. I know this only too well as a Sikh boy at my secondary school changed his name to Stephen to fit in sad

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 15:07:36

I am pretty tired of all the recent push to abstract Tory policies from their apparently warm and fuzzy personalities. What is this? Hug a fucking Tory week? Give me a break!

This was not a private funeral, neither did it have any personal connection to him. He was there for political reasons and so therefore WE can comment. And we can be snidey and angry because life is pretty fucking hard for a lot of people right now, while the mega rich - helped by soggy potato face Osbourne - only get richer.

He has no feelings. He is the Borg.

adeucalione Thu 18-Apr-13 15:11:52

He has said that he wanted to change his name to George after his grandfather, who he refers to as a war hero, and because neither he nor his mother had ever liked Gideon. I know several people who go by their middle name because they don't like their first name, and think it is really clutching at straws to suggest that he or his peers were anti semitic.

Furthermore, being Jewish doesn't seem to be a barrier to Tory politicians - the Goldsmiths, Michael Howard, Edwina Currie, Nigel Lawson, Malcolm Rifkind and loads more, right back to Disraeli.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 15:12:25

Sheshelob, I think I'm in lurve with you.

I can imagine what was going through his waxy little napper when he squeezed that tear out... "The Caring Face of George Osborne" I bet he thought that's what all the headlines would be today, instead of the slightly queasy reaction that he has got.

adeucalione Thu 18-Apr-13 15:17:52

Sheshelob - of course people can say whatever they want, but others are going to think that savaging someone for crying at a funeral, or for their potato-faced personal appearance, or for attaching made-up significance to a child deciding to change their name at the age of 13, sounds a bit playground, and they're free to say that too.

I've said the same on threads savaging Gordon Brown for looking dour, or attacking Ed Milliband for speaking nasally, because it says more about the observer than the observed.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 15:22:11

Twatkins! Ha!

He'd seen actual humans do it so he thought he'd give it a try.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 15:25:00

Ade - so what CAN we say? Is it allowed to be funny, or is that too playground, too? I hadn't realised that we were on the Newsnight message board.

It's good you're here, then. Playgrounds need a dinner lady to keep everyone in line.

adeucalione Thu 18-Apr-13 15:27:41

Odd question. Say what you want.

I didn't realise that disagreeing meant that I was trying to keep everyone in line.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 15:29:31

If you must disagree, can you try to be a bit funnier.

adeucalione Thu 18-Apr-13 15:37:42


munchkinmaster Thu 18-Apr-13 15:40:53

I think the source of derision is not the tear per se but the way he left it rolling,un wiped, down his face in an attention seeking manner. This strategy is popular amongst the under 8s I know....

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 15:42:03


See? That wasn't so hard.

StephaniePowers Thu 18-Apr-13 15:47:03

I still think he's headed for a breakdown.
I see I'm in the minority but you mark my words

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 15:53:02

Sheshelob, let's get MARRIED. <brown-nose>

When people say "It says more about the people saying it than the person they're saying it about" what does that actually mean? If I was to say "Look, that Robery Mugabe. I saw some footage of him crying over a burning orphanage the other week. What is he playing at crying over burned orphans when he's responsible for some of the worst atrocities in recent history" would people say "Well just because you don't like his policies (arf!) leave the man to cry over burned orphans in peace. It says more about you than it does about him that you're mocking him. Even Mugabe is entitled to cry every now and then."

I think it just means you're a bit dense and aren't capable of critical thinking.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 15:53:31

Agree, Stephanie. He is a man on the edge.

NC78 Thu 18-Apr-13 15:56:34

I couldn't possibly hate him any more. I did, however, nearly puke when I saw him blubbing.

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 15:59:11

I pray to God that any breakdown will be televised. Hopefully during PM's question time.

StephaniePowers Thu 18-Apr-13 16:02:14

Someone said 'queasy' downthread and that is how it made me feel.
It's a funeral
He's crying
He's presumably got feelings
It was public and I assume he didn't want to blub in public

He's off the scale vile, dense, unpleasant

Therefore I am left queasy at the thought that I'm required by nothing more than convention to feel sympathy for a man at a funeral crying in public. I don't feel it. I loathe everything about him and everything he misguidedly stands for. What he is responsible for totally trumps convention and sentiment.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 16:03:51

This picture encapuslates everything that pissed me off about yesterday

It's got Gideon looking like a hateful, waxy-faced nobend, SamCam doing that weird smirk that she did all the way through and Dave looking like an out-of-date slab of gammon.

limitedperiodonly Thu 18-Apr-13 16:04:08

If he does have a breakdown I expect he'll be passed fit for work by ATOS.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 16:05:34

I can it now: naked, smeared in his own shit, trying to mount John Bercow while mumbling the words to HMS Pinafore.

twatkins I DO! Can we have the wedding in a playground?

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 16:06:33
Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 16:07:02

twatkins Gammon!!!!!!

The cabinet is like the contents of an Iceland chiller on the blink.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 16:07:47

"I can it now: naked, smeared in his own shit, trying to mount John Bercow while mumbling the words to HMS Pinafore."

grin Heh heh heh!

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 16:09:08

The cabinet is like the contents of an Iceland chiller on the blink."

You ain't kidding.

Cameron - hunk of pink gammon (produce of Lithuania)

Clegg - Quorn sausage (never looks completely cooked)

Danny Alexander - bag of mini kievs

StephaniePowers Thu 18-Apr-13 16:12:25

Oh dear, that picture
That's DC's pulling face, isn't it?

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 16:15:57

Imagine Dave's "sex face"

No, actually, don't. Unless you want to lose a lot of weight by loss of appetite.

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 16:16:33

Michael Gove - bright pink, smiley faced, luncheon meat.

cornyponydash Thu 18-Apr-13 16:18:40

sam cam - prawn platter

Owllady Thu 18-Apr-13 16:19:57

I think the tears were to do with an earlier wallpaper cut and nothing to do with Margaret at all

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 16:22:23

Maybe he was crying because a poor person had touched him and he'd run out of antibacterial gel.

Wallison Thu 18-Apr-13 16:22:51

Speaking of sex faces, I think the tear was Osborne's sex face. I just bet he had a little chubby on.

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 16:26:07


(too late)

Wallison Thu 18-Apr-13 16:30:22

My work here is done.

limitedperiodonly Thu 18-Apr-13 16:31:29

You really should feel ashamed of yourself now

Wallison Thu 18-Apr-13 16:32:22

That's what he always says as well.

squoosh Thu 18-Apr-13 16:39:02

Wallison has knowledge of Gideon's genitals.


MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 16:41:00

"Maybe he was crying because a poor person had touched him and he'd run out of antibacterial gel."

This is more like it grin

There is a BBC article about this online that spectacularly misses the point.

People aren't angry that Osborne cried; they're angry that he doesn't when much sadder things are happening. The version I've seen on FB and Twitter is juxtaposed against the photo of his smirking when announcing budget cuts that he knows will make vulnerable poorer.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 16:46:29

Don't worry, Horry. We are definitely going to see him crying a lot soon, when the breakdown happens wink

adeucalione Thu 18-Apr-13 17:15:26

Marmalade, if someone started a thread saying 'haha look at Robert Mugabe crying, look at his funny face, how come he's called Robert anyway' I would say the same thing that I've said here - what puerile things to focus on.

Obviously nine pages of people disagree though, so go for your life.

Scrubber Thu 18-Apr-13 17:20:48

I didn't watch the funeral, didn't want to be sick. Vile, the lot of them. Now can we forget about it all now? I don't think I can bear hearing any more fawning bastards go on about how fucking wonderful she was and how anyone who says otherwise is insensitive to her poor fuckwit children.

Dawndonna Thu 18-Apr-13 17:21:16

Just occasionally it does people good to be puerile. Particularly when those of us being targetted by Osbourn's cuts are doing so.
Better that than taking to the streets, surely?
Anyway, do grow up, ffs, we're all adults, this is like a pub conversation, if you don't like it, sit elsewhere.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 17:23:50

What's wrong with being puerile? You keep bandying it about like it's an insult. I don't get it. Is it a requisite of life that you must be at your most mature at ALL TIMES?

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 17:25:11

No dawndonna - we should be taking to the streets. What is happening to the sick and disabled angers me. Sadly, unlike the poll tax riots, they are too busy trying to get through the next day to have the energy to do so.

Dawndonna Thu 18-Apr-13 17:28:07

LaVolcan I would take to the streets but this bastard government took away dh's respite care. His nurse retired last month and hasn't been replaced yet. His physio has stopped because of cutbacks to the service. As you've said, I don't have the time or the fucking energy to be on the streets, but by god when some Tory arsehole knocks on my door asking for my vote in the forthcoming elections, they are going to suffer!

limitedperiodonly Thu 18-Apr-13 17:28:14

if someone started a thread saying 'haha look at Robert Mugabe crying, look at his funny face, how come he's called Robert anyway' I would say the same thing that I've said here - what puerile things to focus on.

adeucalione you almost had me with the Osborne thing. It was a funeral, after all.

But Mugabe? You'll be asking us to stop ridiculing that gorgeous hunk of lustmeat Vladimir Putin next.

Dawndonna Thu 18-Apr-13 17:29:31

You know, when I became a lecturer, I didn't imagine that I'd have to learn, in the future, how to adminster medications safely, how to take a pusle, how to watch respiration. Bastards!

EldritchCleavage Thu 18-Apr-13 17:40:35

Actually, a friend of mine genuinely thinks Putin is a gorgeous hunk of lustmeat. She's got a thing for dictators, rather shamefacedly.

limitedperiodonly Thu 18-Apr-13 17:46:04

Come to think of it, why wasn't Putin at the funeral? People whined enough that Obama didn't attend.

Apparently Berlusconi angled in vain for an invitation. The idea of him inviting Mark's daughter to a bunga-bunga party almost made me feel sorry for Mark and Carol.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 17:47:21

"You'll be asking us to stop ridiculing that gorgeous hunk of lustmeat Vladimir Putin next."


MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 17:48:50

<loses shit at "bunga bunga party"> grin

limitedperiodonly Thu 18-Apr-13 18:00:13

eldritch Your friend has isshoos. I expect you know that.

Wallison Thu 18-Apr-13 18:00:41

^her poor fuckwit children

In the interests of accuracy, I feel I should point out that that should read "poor fuckwit racist gun-running children".

<goes back to riding Gideon, while crying>

limitedperiodonly Thu 18-Apr-13 18:04:10

Sorry to keep going on about Putin. I obviously have isshoos too.

But he's a conviction politician too and you certainly know where you stand with him.

CallOfTheRiled Thu 18-Apr-13 18:07:54

This is a truly, truly horrible thread. You berate him for his lack of feelings, his lack of kindness, , but then write this? Really?

EldritchCleavage Thu 18-Apr-13 18:09:50

She does make me laugh limited. She wafts around giggling saying things like 'Ooh, he's so masterful of all the dictator/criminal turdbrains she fancies (e.g. Asil Nadir, I kid you not). In real life she's completely IN CHARGE and her husband toes the line, so I suppose having someone else be boss is a fantasy of her. But still, issues, yes.

limitedperiodonly Thu 18-Apr-13 18:13:00

Carol did look a little bewildered on the steps, didn't she? And her tights were falling down. Is it wrong of me to say that? Probably.

I was quite impressed that it appeared she'd pulled Marco Pierre White at her own mother's funeral but apparently not. Her boyfriend is a Marco lookalike. Still quite impressed. Marco was there too.

<<sad list checker>>

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 18:16:34

Yes, we are berating him for having no feelings about ruining the lives of thousands yet apparently having "feelings" for someone he met once. Because the cameras were on him.

I think that is the long and short of it.

Marco Grass looks like a homeless dipso.

limitedperiodonly Thu 18-Apr-13 18:16:42

I might have been with her with Asil at the height of Polly Peck but I saw him being interviewed about six months ago and he's lost a lot of hair and what's left is too long and has too much brilliantine on it.

Appeared still to have a private plane though.


LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 18:17:55

I don't dislike Carol - she's a bit more human than her mother was.
Going back to the thread. Does George/Gidiot shedding a tear show that he is human too? Or was this a fake tear, just to pretend that he's human?

EldritchCleavage Thu 18-Apr-13 18:19:38

Well I liked Carol, until she called Jo-Wilfried Tsonga a golliwog. Then I decided she could bog the hell off.

MissAnnersley Thu 18-Apr-13 18:21:26

The presumption being that he was crying about Margaret Thatcher? How can anyone know what he was crying about?

Many people will cry at a funeral because it brings back to them the loss of someone close.

Nobody can know what he was thinking about, but surely it is possible to shed a tear at a funeral without being thought strange?

I understand the vitriol at his policies and share them but have no understanding why he would be derided for crying a funeral.

Wallison Thu 18-Apr-13 18:23:53

Actually, I always felt a bit sorry for Carol. Mark was clearly the favourite, despite being a criminal on a huge scale.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 18:27:08

LaVolcan, he probably has a button on his back, like a Tiny Tears doll. He has to be filled up with water then someone presses the button and he does a little cry. A very unrealistic cry.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 18:29:47

What also makes me fucking PUKE about Mark and his saggy eyes is that he is a Sir by dint of his father. Has not had his title stripped despite being a criminal (on a pretty big scale) Just goes to show that if you're born into the right kind of family, certain things just get brushed under the rug in favour of your superior genetics. Fucking VOMIT.

limitedperiodonly Thu 18-Apr-13 18:33:27

I quite liked Cawol in I'm A Celeb. Even when she did a wee next to her bed rather than trekking to the latrine that caused outrage.

There's another thread running here about someone's DH shitting in a bush because he got caught short on a run.

Imagine if someone took a shit at Maggie's funeral? Would that be wrong or would it be just showing people where you stand. Or squat?

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 18:45:24

What is it about the Tory men and their weird complexions?

They all look like they have been glazed in some kind of waxy coating.

Embalming fluid?

limitedperiodonly Thu 18-Apr-13 19:06:08

The latest news from Edinburgh zoo is that despite careful coaxing, and the intervention of a third party, their pandas still aren't ready to do it yet.

another excuse to run this photo

JamieandtheMagicTorch Thu 18-Apr-13 19:09:50


Being horrible on here doesn't Adversely affect millions of people. Gideon does.

You do the maths

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 19:09:51

<rushes in, desperate to join in again>

What have I missed?

ssd Thu 18-Apr-13 19:13:05

"Embalming fluid?"

I wish

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 19:15:01

That's the one, Exit.

You haven't missed much, Sheshelob. Mainly people agreeing that Gideon is a self-serving tossbag whose head should be on a spike, interspersed with a few hand-wringers telling us how awful we are.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 19:18:39

Ooo ooo! Aim the hand-wringers my way! I want to be told to grow up again. It makes me feel so young.

Fee-wings are a newly discovered Tory experience, hence the fact they keep getting hurt. Next you'll all be getting consciences and facelifts

ChairmanWow Thu 18-Apr-13 19:23:42

Does he cry himself to sleep thinking of those dying when they have been declared fit for work by ATOS, or the increase in suicides, or the misery inflicted on benefit claimants, those thrown out of work, or those left without services. Does he fuck. Open season as far as I'm concerned.

We paid for this fucking funeral and gawd knows we're paying for this cunt's failed austerity programme so leave us to our vitriol and gallows humour.

The only distasteful thing about this thread is mention of him having a chubby on. <Boak>.

limitedperiodonly Thu 18-Apr-13 19:38:15

yeah. Let's feel bad about that. Because they feel really bad about us.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 19:38:50

ChairmanWow is to be my second wife.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 19:42:28

Perhaps we could all just live together? I'm happy to have an open marriage.

<swinger smirk>

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 19:45:42

We need a commune. grin

MiniTheMinx Thu 18-Apr-13 19:52:09

We need a revolution
Then we can stick his head on a pike.

To the barricades

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 20:05:43

Can it be a commune like Greenham? My bra's digging...

And if we're putting heads on pikes, can I vote Gove's up there, too? A born gargoyle if ever there was one.

MiniTheMinx Thu 18-Apr-13 20:06:56

Not before we get a longer school day, maybe we had better wait a while wink

Heads on pikes. Great idea.

<makes list>

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 20:18:08

Is it just heads on pikes or can we go the whole hog and deposit bits of them at each gate of the city/castle/Mayfair townhouse?

MiniTheMinx Thu 18-Apr-13 20:27:04

No, I think we should take over the Mayfair townhouses and turn them over to the homeless.

Maybe stick em up outside the houses of parliament lest we ever forget what democracy is.

Hanged, drawn and quartered.

<continues with list>

AudrinaAdare Thu 18-Apr-13 21:06:20

Gidiot crying has reminded me of Adrian Mole's poem to the tune of, "Just you wait, Henry Higgins":

Do you weep, Mrs Thatcher, do you weep?
Do you wake, Mrs Thatcher, in your sleep?
Do you weep like a sad willow?
On your Marks and Spencer's pillow?
Are your tears molten steel?
Do you weep?
Do you wake with 'Three Million' on your brain?
Are you sorry that they'll never work again?
When you're dressing in your blue, do you see the waiting queue?
Do you weep, Mrs Thatcher, do you weep?

I'm sure it could be adapted. He would have a much more expensive pillow for a start grin

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 21:11:33

Audrina! Amazing.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Thu 18-Apr-13 21:14:45

Fecking Tories. Can't even cry properly. SCUM

None of the lunacy on this thread has any parallel whatsoever in RL. I can only assume the prepetrators aren't the sort who get out much, which is just as well for the rest of us grin

Oh the irony

MiniTheMinx Thu 18-Apr-13 21:36:47

Yes thankfully the Tories have very little support in RL

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Thu 18-Apr-13 21:37:25

Feeble, even by the previaling standards - though preferable to the mental health jokes, I suppose
But lefties, you know, they really care about people. So it's OK to make fun of mental breakdown, when they do it.

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen Thu 18-Apr-13 21:45:09

OP, YANBU. Vileness, don't want to see any pictures of the fucker.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 21:50:38

I've HAD a breakdown so I can laugh about them. That's how it works.


expatinscotland Thu 18-Apr-13 21:51:40

YANBU. He's a disgusting, stupid and vile excuse for a person.

hermioneweasley Thu 18-Apr-13 21:56:14

You have no idea why he was crying. Perhaps there was a reading which had also been at the funeral of a loved one. Perhaps he was moved by the grief around him. I recently went to the funeral of a man I had never met. He was my friend's dad. And I wept. I wept for my friend who was in such obvious pain and I wept with anger and frustration because the next time they are in that church it will probably be for the funeral of his terminally son.

expatinscotland Thu 18-Apr-13 21:56:54

I call him Gidiot, among other things.

Hermione. Upthread several of us have said the same. You are not a lone voice.

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 22:02:14

I've only seen the stills - there didn't seem to be all that much grief around him. As people have said, many people were there by virtue of the jobs they hold or held, so had no particular need to feel grief. Tony Blair and co? Why should they feel grief?

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Thu 18-Apr-13 22:08:11

I realise the fact that yesterday's funeral passed off without the country being made to look stupid by the antics of people like you is eating you all up inside. But you need a sense of proportion. Not everyone shares your, erm, unique perspective on these matters. On yesterday's evidence, in fact, hardly anybody does.

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 22:12:31

How do you come to that conclusion?

MissAnnersley Thu 18-Apr-13 22:12:59

I agree hermione, said something similar upthread.

MiniTheMinx Thu 18-Apr-13 22:13:29

I didn't celebrate the news and neither would I ever protest at a funeral. The fact is Thatcher lives on in the policies she pursued. Nothing changed just because some little old lady died. If the Tories were all there thinking it was the end of an era, then they really are as thick as shit.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 22:14:56

Karlos is a Tory. Don't engage with it.


LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 22:16:52

Don't know how many people are on the thread but I would say that about 90% here think he's a t*sser. It's black humour at its best. It doesn't hurt him.

Now what a pity they can't make a special edition of Spitting Image. Gidiot would be forever crying buckets, Sam Cam would be dressed in frocks with oversized bows at the front a la Thatcher. mmm - what else? Could someone help me out?

It's such a welcome change from all the adulation about St Margaret.

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 22:20:15

They could have Camoron in a Thatcher wig - I think he bears a striking resemblance. grin

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 22:20:30

And Pickles as a giant slug.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 22:22:02

Nick Clegg would be a chinless gopher constantly being bulldozed by Dave.

Miliband would have a job on the side doing nasal train announcements.

Repeats would do me

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 22:24:21

The ghost of PW Botha could play that Farage nit. grin

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 22:28:37

Keep them coming people!

NicholasTeakozy Thu 18-Apr-13 22:30:17

Cameron would have a massive forehead, like Tefal man. But without the brain.

Gidiot would be a turd with sweaty eyeballs.

IBS would be a cock with legs instead of balls.

Clegg would be Wurzel Gummidge with a smoother forehead.

Ed Millibean would be Wallace without a clever dog to help him out.

usualsuspect Thu 18-Apr-13 22:32:34

YANBU he is a twat.

difficultpickle Thu 18-Apr-13 22:33:44

I didn't cry at my father's funeral as I firmly believed that if I started crying I would never stop. I did a reading too. I look back and wonder how I even got through that period of my life.

I shed a tear watching MT's funeral (albeit watching it in the evening as I'd been at work). I think my tears were more for my teenage/twenties self and my life then rather than a real mourning for MT. I was surprised to see GO cry but sometimes you can be overwhelmed just by being there rather than because you feel a true sense of loss. I was at a funeral last year where the entire congregation was sobbing (for someone who was a similar age to MT).

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 22:34:07

Theresa May as a wild eyed harpy?

Glenda Jackson as a redheaded Galadriel being fearsome.

And what would we be?

usualsuspect Thu 18-Apr-13 22:35:26

I shed more tears when abscess PM

usualsuspect Thu 18-Apr-13 22:36:41

She was not abscess. Ffs what is wrong with this kindle

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 22:37:03

Gideon ought to be a Tiny Tears doll replete with baby bonnet and rattle but with a grim, black, bubble permed wig on.

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 22:37:52

I don't know, I think your kindle might have the measure of the situation.

Actually, Pickles could be a huge abscess. grin

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Thu 18-Apr-13 22:53:34

I am indeed a Tpry. there's quite few of us about. I think you are all deriving an unwarranted degree of comfort from the fact you've located a handful of like-minded fruitloops in a rather dim corner of the internet.

MiniTheMinx Thu 18-Apr-13 22:55:29

Gidiot looks like a half starved vampire, I could see him as Vlad the Impaler, he didn't like people much either.

Sam Cam always reminds me of Lady Penelope, I just don't know who she's working for.

Dave looks like he polishes his face with a pumice.

Pickles reminds me of Mr Pickwick, sleep apnea has addled his brain

Gove, seems a bit too boys own annual, I wouldn't trust him on an adventure with next doors cat.

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 22:56:43

Fruitloops? Who's having a go at those with MH problems now? hmm

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 22:58:29

Fruitloops? I thought you didn't like mental health jokes?

<hugs fellow dimbos> We might be dim but at least we ain't Tories...

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Thu 18-Apr-13 22:59:12

So it's OK when she does it (a lot more explicitly).
It's not OK when I do it. And the logic is?
Lefties, eh? they're priceless. I'll miss them when they're gone.

MiniTheMinx Thu 18-Apr-13 23:00:18

KarlosKKrinkelbeim, what does it say about you that you chose to spend time here ? I would expect Lawyers to be right wing, two thirds of our laws are concerned with maintaining private property rights, keeps you in social privilege and sense of superiority.

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 23:01:05

I don't think it's okay when anyone does it particularly but to have a go and then do it yourself just makes you look very silly.

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 23:01:57

And anyway, we had moved on a bit and were planning a Spitting Image revival.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 23:03:16

We're just a bit perplexed about why you're doing what you were just moaning at us for. Typical Tory hypocrite.

And good will prevail. The right ain't right. Gandhi and all other nice people in the world wouldn't have been Tories.

usualsuspect Thu 18-Apr-13 23:03:54

I'd take being dim over being a Tory any day.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Thu 18-Apr-13 23:04:26

To be serious for a moment - although to be fair, this probably isn't the place for seriousness - the crazy venom on display here is can only be explained by the fact that Mrs Thatcher defeated the Left so completely. You lot are the death throes. And they are always painful to watch.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 23:04:32

KKK likes being here because Tories love a spanking.

usualsuspect Thu 18-Apr-13 23:05:11

Even my kindle thinks Maggie was an abscess.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 23:06:34

Lol at death throes!

You do know that your lot are fucked come 2014?

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 23:06:48

We shall see KarlosKKrinkelbeim - elections coming up soon.

A local bye election had a 17% swing to the LibDems from the Tories. (No nonsense about a coalition at the local level.)

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 23:08:36

I stayed off threads lauding MT because I would have had to sit on my hands a lot and it makes typing rather tricky.

Go and praise Thatcher somewhere else and let us giggle at Osborne.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 23:09:14

That's right, everyone, STOP having so much fun!

KKK is going to instruct us on how we are a dying breed.

<pulls over a bowl of Osbourne potato faces and Cameron Gammon and stifles laugh>

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 23:09:38

@usualsuspect. It's not an either/or choice. It's possible to be both dim and a Tory. <shudder>

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 23:11:03

Almost obligatory really. grin

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 23:11:52

KKK (clever) is probably Mrs Gideon, getting all cross with the nasty internet people being mean to her pudgy-faced DH.

There can be no other reason why anyone would choose to defend him.

edam Thu 18-Apr-13 23:15:49

Wow, only just caught up with this thread and am bemused by the derailment into accusations of anti-semitism a few hundred posts back. Threads do take odd turns sometimes but seriously, someone was 'offended' because 'how much can I turn the thumbscrews on the poor and disabled today' Gideon sounds as if he might be a bit Jewish, ffs?

Even though a. he isn't and b. it's a Biblical name, like Ben or Sam, not exclusively reserved for the children of Israel (who are no doubt jolly relieved that Gideon is not amongst their number) and c. that's spectacularly missing the point?

That is some serious desperate stretching for a far-fetched reason to object to people taking the piss.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 23:17:19

Because, Twat my dear, she is a resident of the moral high ground, where humour is outlawed and flabby faced manbots are worshipped.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Thu 18-Apr-13 23:18:33

The Tories may well not win in 2014. That doesn't mean socialism will. Even the Labour party now doesn't dissent from any of the main planks of her reforms. Lefties are always whining about how there is no genuine left-wing alternative in mainstream politics. If that isn't defeat, I don't know what is.

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 23:20:10

Nope. Not whining here.

MarmaladeTwatkins Thu 18-Apr-13 23:20:45

I've changed my mind. She is Louise Mensch.


reelingintheyears Thu 18-Apr-13 23:26:07

This thread is brilliant.

Louise Mensch aka 'Baggy' Bagshawe is a screeching crazy.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 23:31:51

Giddy: "Look, Baggy, I can make wee wee come out of my face."

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Thu 18-Apr-13 23:33:36

I literally cannot comprehend how bereft of amusement your life would have to be to find the premise of this thread funny.
God knows, I've known boredom. I've sat through double maths. I once had to spend a week combing through legislation on stamp duty reserve tax. but the notion that I could ever have enough tedium inflicted upon me to find a thread like this funny ... no, this could never happen to me. Thank fuck.

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 23:34:59

Then why are you reading it, Karlos?

BTW tax is interesting.

ByTheSea Thu 18-Apr-13 23:36:01


reelingintheyears Thu 18-Apr-13 23:36:12

Tax is only interesting if it's a rebate.

Sheshelob Thu 18-Apr-13 23:38:57

Double maths and tax returns?

The extent of Tory hardship, in a nutshell.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Thu 18-Apr-13 23:39:55

I suppose I am goggling in horrified fascination at you all, really.
Some of my closest friends would identify as left wing but I have never witnessed puerility on this level from them .. . maybe it's a kind of perversion you lefties like to indulge in behind closed doors and in RL you all appear perfectly normal?

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 23:42:17

No, I am seriously puerile most of the time. I really couldn't care less what some faceless stranger/tory thinks of my views on anything.

Flosshilde Thu 18-Apr-13 23:44:52

I might be a raging leftie, but I know some Tories I married one and even they think Gideon is a cunt.

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 23:48:28

Perhaps Gideon was crying because the IMF had described his performance as lacklustre? Not what we expect from a star of the Tory firmament is it?

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Thu 18-Apr-13 23:51:28

So far as hardship is concerned, IME it's usually the privileged types who indulge in limp-wristed left-wing idiocy. Those of us who've been through the fire in one way or the other tend to be a bit more hard-headed about things. Having a DS with a disability has certainly opened my eyes to the pointlessness of throwing money at state health and education services, for example.

YouTheCat Thu 18-Apr-13 23:54:02

I'd love to be privileged.

And I also have a ds with a disability. It is very naive to believe that those similarities would make me a Tory.

LadyBeagleEyes Thu 18-Apr-13 23:56:24

Hello peoplegrin
Joins like minded fruitloops in dim corner of the internet.
I have finally watched a news today after my self imposed news blackout.
I missed the whole shebang.

LaVolcan Thu 18-Apr-13 23:57:20

Is Cameron 'limp-wristed and left-wing'?confused I wouldn't have thought so myself.

He is most definitely a 'privileged type', who had a severely disabled son.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim Fri 19-Apr-13 00:04:25

"Is Cameron 'limp-wristed and left-wing'? I wouldn't have thought so myself.

He is most definitely a 'privileged type', who had a severely disabled son."

I'm not even going to attempt to disentangle that one. I'm fairly certain it wouldn't be worth the effort. I'm off to bed.
But do keep validating each other. I can see you need the reassurance. Plus, it keeps you out of public circulation.

Wallison Fri 19-Apr-13 00:04:42

Are you stroking yourself, Karlos?

You sound like you're stroking yourself.

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen Fri 19-Apr-13 00:17:14

Karlos is off to bed, perchance to dream of us Lefties whacking her with pillows and bombarding her with peurile gags about fish heads in condoms (a la Steve Bell, aren't we all terrible) grin

YouTheCat Fri 19-Apr-13 00:20:46

I am off to bed too.

To dream of Osborne and Camoron losing everything and having to live off £57 a week. grin

SomethingOnce Fri 19-Apr-13 02:10:41

It wasn't a tear, it was hatred of the poor in liquid form leaking out of his head.

MarmaladeTwatkins Fri 19-Apr-13 07:32:32

The suggestion that Cameron/Gideon etc became Tories because they know hardship is the funniest thing I've seen on this thread.

Tories become Tories because they're scared of poor people. Any fool knows that.

nenevomito Fri 19-Apr-13 08:55:58

"scared of poor people" grin

Gideon has a nightmare when small...

"Mumsy, mumsy! The nasty poor people were in my dream and they wanted me to think they were humans."

"There there Gideon poppet. It was just a nightmare. Become a Tory politician and you can make sure that they're not treated humanely for the rest of your life <pats head> AND for your own financial gain."

"Thanks mumsy"

MiniTheMinx Fri 19-Apr-13 09:06:59

The privileged don't "become" Tory, they are raised Tory. They are in accord with their class, acting in their own interests

Of those who have come through the fire and become Tory, they are deluded and they are acting against their class.

Actually there is only one thing worse than a born Tory, that is a deluded one.

LaVolcan Fri 19-Apr-13 09:12:57

babyheave This can't be so. According to that most accurate source, wikipedia:

His mother is Felicity Alexandra Loxton-Peacock, the daughter of artist Lady Clarisse Loxton Peacock.[2][8] His mother was a Labour voter, an anti-Vietnam War marcher and worked for Amnesty International.

So maybe he didn't get on with mumsy and it's a reaction to her, or maybe mumsy was reacting to her upbringing in becoming a bit of a leftie, and he's just reverted to type.

I hesitate to say he is brainless and that's why he's a Tory, because he's clearly not brainless.

nenevomito Fri 19-Apr-13 09:17:23

Oh dear sad Perhaps it was his nanny instead?

Dawndonna Fri 19-Apr-13 09:30:06
MarmaladeTwatkins Fri 19-Apr-13 09:59:46

Oh, I don't know.

One of my old uni' friends was raised by Tories and became a staunch leftie. He is on the Green party council in Brighton now. We also used to socialise with a bloke who was your typical Tory boy. We assumed he'd be from a family of old Tories who had a shrine to Thatcher set up in the futility room. At graduation, his parents came and they'd been in the RAF (rough as fuck that is, not the Royal Air Force) Dad worked on a production line and his mother liked bingo. Nice folk though, made us wonder how they'd raised such a douche.

Wallison Fri 19-Apr-13 10:03:35

I don't think he is entirely brainless - he's thick in the sense of anti-intellectual the same as most tories are, certainly, but he's just intelligent enough to be dangerous.

ComposHat Fri 19-Apr-13 17:29:50

The Tories may well not win in 2014. That doesn't mean socialism will

I would stake next month's rent on the Tories not winning the 2014 election nor Labour for that matter.

Mainly because the general election won't be held until 7th May 2015.

Really Karlos if you can't get basic facts like this roght, maybe you shouldn't be sounding off about politics with such certainty.

squoosh Fri 19-Apr-13 17:45:04

One of my old uni' friends was raised by Tories

That sounds like the start of one of those 'feral child' stories. A twist on 'raised by wolves in the Urals'.


YouTheCat Fri 19-Apr-13 17:50:05

'Raised by Tories in Kidderminster' grin

ssd Fri 19-Apr-13 17:50:45

I think it sounds like one of those books where the child was awfully abused as a youngster, what are they called again??

you know the sort

"mummy never saw"

"crying in the dark"

"I was raised by Tories"

StephaniePowers Fri 19-Apr-13 17:52:15

There's a rumour that Cameron will call a general election sooner rather than later.
I can't for the life of me think what possible advantage it could bring him, with the economy going to shit and every recipient of any benefit hating the govt's guts as they do - but I've heard people talking about him riding the wave of enthusiasm as people enjoy reliving the glory days of Thatcher.
Silly people, mind. grin

MadBusLady Fri 19-Apr-13 17:54:42

I think George Osborne is actually portrayed by an actor and designed/scripted by a committee as the Archetypal Evil Tory, to draw flak from Cameron.

Has anyone linked to this yet?

limitedperiodonly Fri 19-Apr-13 17:59:58

I might be able to help here, albeit in a bitter Lefty way, because I know someone who went to school with Gideon.

I just met him, all right. It happened on a number of occasions and there was nothing I could do to avoid it. It's something that will happen again and I'm not looking forward to it. However, like death and taxes, it's unavoidable unless I see him first.

It would be unreasonable to spit in his face or punch it to a bloody pulp, however much karlos, or indeed I, might have liked me to have done, because he's a client of DH's.

DH points out that it's economically suicidal to take such fuckwits to task. He's right but we live for a better day when we can say 'fuck off, you tosser.'

Anyway, I digress. The person I know is stupid in the way that would be remedial if we spent that kind of money on state schools any more.

Luckily for him, he has a job in the City but has just enough self-awareness to have turned down a job at a more demanding bank because they would have found him out in an instant.

What's Gideon's excuse?

ComposHat Fri 19-Apr-13 18:08:35

There's a rumour that Cameron will call a general election sooner rather than later

I don't think he can as part of the coalition agreement was for a fixed term parliament mandated by an act of parliament. The only way an election can be called unless they lose a confidence vote or two thirds of Mps vote for it.

StephaniePowers Fri 19-Apr-13 18:13:02

I wonder what a confidence vote would bring right now
Anyway I have only heard this from daft people so I wasn't taking it seriously

You've reminded me of the coalition though, I had briefly forgotten that we have a coalition government grin
Cleggo was quiet over Thatcher's death, wasn't he?

ComposHat Fri 19-Apr-13 18:15:34

Yes Clegg was very quiet wasn't he? I wonder why that was?

LaVolcan Fri 19-Apr-13 18:15:57

but I've heard people talking about him riding the wave of enthusiasm as people enjoy reliving the glory days of Thatcher.

But apparently a poll showed that Cameron didn't gain any benefit from this.

The local elections will be interesting, but are not really a guide to what would happen in a General Election.

YouTheCat Fri 19-Apr-13 18:31:30

Limited, is he like Tim-nice-but-dim? grin

ChairmanWow Fri 19-Apr-13 19:36:10

Bloody hell, I bunk off for 24 hours and when I come back there's been a cracking scrap, a near-revolution, Spitting Image revival and I've gained 2 wives. And this has turned into one of the best threads EVAH!

Lol at the idea that funding state education and health is a waste of money. Foundation hospitals are being declared bankrupt, free schools are an eye wateringly expensive white elephant and patients are being turned down for supposedly costly (but actually cheaper in the long run) surgery by private providers. And let's not even mention rail services and the billions of wasted taxpayers money. And PFI (ditto).

KKK is a Baggy Bagshawe wannabe. It can't be the real thing because it would have tweeted about it being bullied by horrible, heartless MN lefty attack dogs. Endlessly.

Oh and re the mental health thing - another mentalist here as well. As I said way back up thread, dark humour. Y'know, humour - some of us have it, some of us don't. Still laughing at 'raised by Tories in Kidderminster.

And finally before I actually pay the baby some attention, I'm in Manchester. Tatton is just up t'road. Anyone fancy marching with pitchforks and torches (the lit kind not the Maglite kind. That would just look weird)?

ChairmanWow Fri 19-Apr-13 19:38:07

And yes, I know PFI was a Labour policy. But a shit one embraced by the Tories coalition.

NicholasTeakozy Sat 20-Apr-13 07:54:55

Acksherly Chairman, PFI was introduced by the Tories under John Major.

LaVolcan Sat 20-Apr-13 08:40:40

Yes, Major got written out of the script, didn't he? Didn't fit with the 'whatever is wrong with this country, it's the fault of Labour' mantra.

limitedperiodonly Sat 20-Apr-13 08:54:03

youthecat not as nice, sadly.

edam Sat 20-Apr-13 11:02:14

limited, grin at "I just met him, all right. It happened on a number of occasions and there was nothing I could do to avoid it".

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