To spend my morning watching the funeral of Maggie Thatcher (on BBC) ?

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She was our first woman prime-minister - a significant personal achievement, especially for the daughter of a grocer from Grantham, born in 1925 shock

Also I agree with those that say these ceremonial occasions are something we do really well in Britain.

So AIBU to be watching this morning - in spite of disagreeing with many of her policies ? Will you be watching ?
And what do you make of both her personal achievement and her legacy ?

Gigondas Wed 17-Apr-13 09:34:44

Yanbu - I feel just the same.

valiumredhead Wed 17-Apr-13 09:36:11

I have turned it off already, Terry Wogan bumbling on was more that enough for me!

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 09:36:17

I've been wondering where the threads were, seemed like there was a mn black out haha.

I am watching, I'm too young to remember her but its still history that I can watch.

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 09:37:26

YANBU...I am watching too....having laughed myself stupid reading The Daily Mash's comments here

I think she achieved massive amounts in very male dominated worlds.

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 17-Apr-13 09:37:39

Avoiding the funeral and all news too today.
£10,000,000? angry.

SinisterBuggyMonth Wed 17-Apr-13 09:38:25

Yanbu, its entirely up to you.

I wont be watching, tbh I really wish it wasn't on the bbc because its another way we're paying for it.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 09:39:14

I am watching on Italian telly. Like a bit of British pomp for the expats.

They have spelt her name wrong.

Oh dear God, and as if my magic, Macca has just shuffled onto my ipod with Hey Jude. (please tell me he isn't.....)

diddl Wed 17-Apr-13 09:39:41

If that's what you want to do-fine by me!!

I'm off for a walk in the sun with the dog!

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 09:41:04

Grr Gideon <hurls cushion at TV>

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 09:41:04

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Well, whilst the bumbling pre-amble was going on I came on here to see if there was a thread yet ... I felt we should have one !

YY to "she achieved massive amounts in very male dominated worlds" Jake

DeepRedBetty Wed 17-Apr-13 09:42:30

Sun's gone here diddl, back to drizzle. Otherwise I'll be doing the same, with four client's dogs, and meeting one of my staff with another four, should be a very jolly riot as a lot of them are young gun-dog breeds.

Am contemplating recording the funeral to look at later.

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 09:42:52

I think you can get BBC on iPlayer

DeepRedBetty Wed 17-Apr-13 09:43:52

miemohrs Yes you can watch live on PC but I've found the picture can be a bit shite.

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 09:44:16

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skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 09:44:35

It's no skin off my nose. If you want to watch it, watch it!

I've got it on in the background - mainly because I'm not really old enough to remember much about her and I'm too lazy to google - though I'm sure that the info will be highly selective.

Choosing to not watch it, unfortunately isn't, going to stop the huge sum of money that is being spent on it (those who know more about her, would she have approved of all this expenditure)?

Lighthousekeeping Wed 17-Apr-13 09:44:46

I'm off to bed but will switch on if I can drag myself up at one.

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 09:45:06


I've just turned bbc 1 on. I wouldn't have stayed in especially to watch it, but as I'm in I will.

sparklekitty Wed 17-Apr-13 09:46:04

I am. Hated her politics, however, my DH is a PC working today so I'm glued to the tv waiting for the shit to hit the fan and worrying unreasonably I know but he worked the riots so these things always make me slightly nervous

Dawndonna Wed 17-Apr-13 09:46:20

No. My television would be in tiny pieces before the hour was out.
Yes, she achieved massive amounts in a male dominated world. That's why Elvis Costello will be blaring out in this house today.

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 09:46:47

skipped I think she helped plan her own funeral so presumably not too worried about expenditure!

Salbertina Wed 17-Apr-13 09:47:15

Am 1000s of miles away from whole shebang, thank GOD!

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 09:48:12

sparklekitty is your DH expecting trouble?

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 09:48:33

I like all the pomp and ceremony of these things. I am no huge fan of MT but she did indeed inspire much music grin

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 09:51:50

I hope there's no trouble...if only for the sake of her family.sad

twofingerstoGideon Wed 17-Apr-13 09:52:02

Definitely won't be watching and don't agree with the ceremonial funeral. In fact, I had to turn off radio on the way to work because I can't bear to listen to all the sycophancy. Unfortunately, I remember her prime ministership all too well.

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 09:55:29

I would much have preferred it to have been a private funeral but as it isn't I am going to enjoy the pomp and ceremony. I think we do pomp and ceremony so well.

To me it's her personal achievement in becoming prime-minister that is uppermost when I concur that she "achieved massive amounts"
I think we still experience such a fight for equality today, how much more so for a woman born in 1925 ?
Was glad to see the woman junior minister in Thatcher's cabinet being interviewed just now (sorry didn't catch the name) And the morning's proceedings being described by several women presenters.
I think history will take more notice of her personal achievement as a woman than was recognised at the time.

Morloth Wed 17-Apr-13 09:56:58

Surely the money was spent within the UK mostly?

People do the jobs that cost the money. People with mortgages to pay and kids to feed.

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Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 10:00:09

Agree Jake. I'm finding it mesmerising viewing. Shame they all have to wear black-dress/hat watching is not so interesting smile

Andcake Wed 17-Apr-13 10:00:48

Didn't like her - but watching as I'm home on maternity leave and better than my usual morning tv staples. We do pomp and ceremony v well but not sure she deserves it! Also love dimbledore and seeing the guests arrive!
It is a great achievement to have been the first female British pm but by being a completely uncaring bitch so does that make her a good role model?
I think she was an 80's career women trying to beat men at their own game rather than in my working world emphasising and utilising female strengths to do a job well and often better.

sparklekitty Wed 17-Apr-13 10:01:22

Bowlersarm - they have been told it could get nasty later. Equally it could be totally peaceful and go off fine. They always prepare for the worse. I never usually worry about his work but big days like this do make me nervous.

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 10:05:11

sparkle hope he's ok. So far, so good, but will be a long long day for him I guess

what a waste of 10million
id rather that went towards the poor and needytheres more police than public

and what katherine jenkins doing there????


NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 10:07:17

Is that Katharine opening-of-an-envelope Jenkins with her knockers hanging out? And the fascinator? is it ? is it?

Enjoying the hats even if they are all black Bowler - Katherine Jenkins just arrived looking gorgeous !

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gabsid Wed 17-Apr-13 10:08:51

OK, she was an important person and Prime Minister who deserves respectful and appropriate funeral, but

£10,000,000 of the taxpayer's money in times when everything is being cut and living expenses are going up all the time, many are struggling?

The country seems divided about her and even many who thought fairly positively about her don't agree to such a funeral.

I I will not support it by watching it - would bore me anyway.

Portofino Wed 17-Apr-13 10:09:47

miemohrs. I was just thinking the same. I was surprised some of them were actually still alive.

shellbu Wed 17-Apr-13 10:11:56

yanbu but i wont be watching .

Dawndonna Wed 17-Apr-13 10:12:34

Janet Young. The only female ever in Thatcher's cabinet. hmm

bizzey Wed 17-Apr-13 10:13:08

I am watching it ...I am trying to the Ironing as well....but I keep getting distracted !!

Think I will switch off the iron and put kettle on and open the biscuit tin !!

I think Katherine Jenkins forgot to put a top on under her jacket confused

All this moving the coffin around from one place to another seems a little crazy to me - something I don't altogether "get" about funerals. When I die I'll be quite happy if people hold some sort of thanksgiving service with some of my favourite readings and hymns. I'm not so worried what happens to my body - organ donation seems the most positive idea if I've anything of any use to anyone by then !

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 10:13:59

Katherine Jenkins looked v. inappropriate. Why couldn't she cover her tits properly. Does she not own a mirror?

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JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 10:14:24

Interestingly she didn't want this as far as I know. She didn't want a State funeral and this is all but.....despite DC saying that he thinks it's what she wanted.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 10:16:23

Why have we got Cameron blathering instead of the service?

Lottashakingoinon Wed 17-Apr-13 10:16:28

I hope there's no trouble...if only for the sake of her family

Me too, but more for the sake of the police/other people who have little choice but to be there or thereabouts.

And today's the day I stop dining out on the fact that I was interviewed by Terry Wogan on Radio 1 Club (1968) long before he (or I )became famous. Somehow feel I don't want to boast about it any more sad

TheRealFellatio Wed 17-Apr-13 10:16:43

What I find quite ironic is that many of the people complaining very loudly about the cost are the very same people who are likely to be rioting/demonstrating on the back of it. The cost would be far, far less in terms of security and crowd control if they could be trusted to just go about their day as normal and ignore the whole thing, and then complain about to one another in the pub later, instead of using it as an excuse for attention seeking publicity stunts and anarchic jollies.

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 10:17:09

I'm watching, Cameron basically saying "nothing to do with me mate"

But my lord, £10m - when we haven't done this for other PMs who've died...

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 10:18:28

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YY to

I'm watching, Cameron basically saying "nothing to do with me mate"

dimbleby read the card out wrong as well

it clearly says always in our hearts

he said it reads always in our minds

crumbs considering he has the task of wittering on for hours, you'd think he'd get that right

what a plonker

cjel Wed 17-Apr-13 10:20:55

I was just channel hopping at it was jeremy Kyle and The funeral!! Know which Britain I prefer.

David Cameron never actually answers a question does he?

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 10:21:27

horses nuzzling each other.

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Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:22:10

Thank you juneybean for directing me here smile

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 10:22:17

Putting it on a week day is a bit off too - I've taken the day off because at 32 weeks pregnant, I find the commute hard enough without having the extra crowds. I spent a lot of last week once the date was announced cancelling appointments for my boss because so much of London is shut today, logistically, it's not possible. Most of our office were doing the same thing - it's basically taken a day out of the first week back after all the schools have gone back (so holidays have finished and we can get people together again) - a saturday would have involved a lot less disruption considering she was such a champion of business...

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 10:22:20

Yes you are right Lotta, definitely for the police and other people there I hope there's not trouble.

TBh now the coffin is on the Gun Carriage I am wondering if there will be more protest.

David Cameron never actually answers a question does he?
no he never does

i was not a fan of thatcher but at least she answered questions

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:23:41

SamCam looks like an air stewardess!

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 10:23:51

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she needed a praivate ceremony for her family and frinds....that's it. Yes she was PM (it was her job!) but she was also a wife, mum and gran.

You really need privacy at a funeral ....not the whole wolrd and all its horses watching! And the cost....

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 10:24:05

The lighting makes them all look like oompah loompahs

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 10:24:30

Horsemad - it is a bit "chicken or beef madam?"

i find it really ood when people arrive with big beamin g smiles
yes i do mean dc and sc

fussychica Wed 17-Apr-13 10:25:02

Not a chance - not intending to watch any news programmes today. The expense is enough to make me angry, especially at a time like this. So many better thing for it to be spent on - as I'm sure those who are unable to have life saving treatment/ drugs due to cost would agree.

Interesting that the Daily Fail was screaming about Mark Thatcher not being bothered to see his mother over Xmas and what a terrible son he was but now. according to them, he's apparently grief stricken and a loving son.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 10:25:24

SamCam looks like Widow Twankey.

She never quite gets it right bless her.

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WorraLiberty Wed 17-Apr-13 10:25:48

I couldn't believe the people they showed on Daybreak, who'd camped out all night just to get a front row spot shock

Some people really have nothing better to do.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:26:13

I thought Dimbleby read that wrong! Thought I'd misheard him.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 10:26:20

I think, in all fairness to Mark T (and believe me the word fairness and a Thatcher does stick in my craw) not sure I would be able to spend Christmas with the shell of a woman who no longer knew who I was.

aPseudonymToFoolHim Wed 17-Apr-13 10:26:32

Rewriting history. BBC Bastards

cjel Wed 17-Apr-13 10:26:53

Falling star I think they had small service for family last night and will have another later on at crem.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 17-Apr-13 10:27:09

Sam Cam is looking a tad too cheerful for a funeral.

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 10:27:11

Worra - no, people camped out??? Why? Still, at least they weren't with the others who were all arriving at 8:30-9am - meaning they travelled during key commute times when the tube is like a vision of hell...

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 10:27:23

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Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 10:27:34

[Grin] at Oompah loompahs

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 10:27:46

Loving the pomp and ceremony as well. Also admired her as a politician.

Time for DC to sit down now and stop looking like he's enjoying himself so much.

BeckyBrandon Wed 17-Apr-13 10:28:36

I really hope nothing bad happens, have a horrible feeling.

Mamf74 Wed 17-Apr-13 10:29:02

I'm deeply torn on this; on one hand she was a divided communities in such a spiteful way and was so willfully ignorant of the repercussions of the decisions of her party.

But... on the other hand she was one of the last Political leaders who came from the bottom up, no university Politics degree or rarified life from the off. She worked to get into politics, then the Leadership of her party, then as Prime Minister. Not sure many current cabinet or shadow cabinet members can say that.

wasabipeanut Wed 17-Apr-13 10:29:14

I am watching. I feel surprisingly sad actually. She was remarkable and what she achieved against so many obstacles was incredible. Whether you agree with her policies or not I think few could argue that she wasn't a trail blazer. She was our first woman PM and sadly I feel like she is probably going to be the last.

She makes politicians of all colours today look pretty pathetic.

I feel as if she shaped mine and my families life because she provided the economic back ground to allow my parents to prosper which we all benefited from.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 17-Apr-13 10:29:26

Where's the coffin going now?

Dimbleby also just made a mistake about South Africa ... saying de Clerke had said "^she wasn't against apartheid^ just against sanctions against apartheid" - I don't think that's quite what he meant to say is it ? shock

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:30:13

Just hope all goes well.

Mamf74 Wed 17-Apr-13 10:30:15

And yy to SamCam looking like a 70s air hostess......

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 10:30:19

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LadyBeagleEyes Wed 17-Apr-13 10:30:42

I switched on Daybreak this morning, I'd forgotten it was the funeral today TBH as there's been a bit of a news blackout in this house as I can't bear the sycophancy.
I can't believe people camped out all night.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 17-Apr-13 10:31:04

Yes, I was puzzled by the apartheid comment.

Salbertina Wed 17-Apr-13 10:31:59

Thats what MT always claimed... Didn't see sanctions as effective tool against apartheid but said she was against it herself.. Am not so sure but apparently Nelson believed her!

Branleuse Wed 17-Apr-13 10:32:10

Has mark Thatcher cried yet?? Has he? has he?

worth watching for that alone

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 10:32:27

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PiggyPlumPie Wed 17-Apr-13 10:32:32

*I feel surprisingly sad actually. She was remarkable and what she achieved against so many obstacles was incredible. Whether you agree with her policies or not I think few could argue that she wasn't a trail blazer. She was our first woman PM and sadly I feel like she is probably going to be the last.

She makes politicians of all colours today look pretty pathetic.*

^^ This.

carabos Wed 17-Apr-13 10:32:42

Sam Cam shock. She's supposed to be design literate, why is she channelling Princess Anne?

Cheesymonster Wed 17-Apr-13 10:33:05

sparklekitty my DH is there as a PC too. Totally understand the worrying sad, he worked at the riots too.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 17-Apr-13 10:33:58

The way dimbleby said it made it sound like she favoured apartheid.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 10:34:34

Do you think SamCam's bow front blouse is in honour of Mags?

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:34:42

Crowd applauding - am glad.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 17-Apr-13 10:34:58

So what's the difference between a state funeral and this?

Ooh, doesn't London look beautiful outside that lovely chapel (is it by Wren ?) and with those beautiful London plane trees ? Flowers on coffin also rather lovely, gun carriage looking rather elegant too, even if not my style really

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 10:35:15

What's the sand in aid of?

Dawndonna Wed 17-Apr-13 10:35:19

Really? You find it ironic? You honestly have no comprehension of how people feel?

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 10:36:02

I'm watching. I remember when she was elected.
The country was in an utter mess. Thanks to Labour government.
Plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose...

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 10:36:24

Feeling slightly apprehensive. Hope this is peaceful. Does anyone know why BIg Ben's been silenced? Is it out of respect, or just too noisy?

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 10:36:27

I like Sam Cam outfit...

VivaLeBeaver Wed 17-Apr-13 10:36:32

I haven't seen any sand but if its on the road don't they put it to stop the horses slipping?

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:36:33

Sand = stop horses & carriage slipping.

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 10:37:12

I cannot see that MT would have wanted all this at all.

Branleuse Wed 17-Apr-13 10:37:27

Big Ben will not chime - lest she rise again

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 10:37:38

Mark Thatchers wife looking a bit Stepford wifey....

ohforfoxsake Wed 17-Apr-13 10:37:48

I won't be missing Homes Under the Hammer for it.

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 10:37:48

Ohh makes sense, thanks!

The awkward moment the horses shit in front of the coffin.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:37:52

State funeral has all heads of state invited I think Viva.

cjel Wed 17-Apr-13 10:38:13

Big ben - respect. Sand - for horses and carriage wheels to grip. I remember mess of pre thatcher years as well. She was tough enough to do an unpopular job.

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 10:38:25

Mamf74 - to be fair, she did marry a millionaire just as she was a parlimentary candidate (before making MP) and used his contacts to make herself known - she hardly dragged herself up completely on her own ability and record. However yes, on both sides, you do'nt get the old style politicians anymore.

anyone else hearing the booing they are trying to drown out?

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 10:38:29

Carol Thatcher channeling hedge dragged and backwards look....

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 10:38:32

Is there some booing going on?

VivaLeBeaver Wed 17-Apr-13 10:39:26

I think it's sad that people have gone to boo. Disagree with her if you want but why do that?

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 10:39:35

State funeral also has a 'lying in state' bit and has to be approved by parliament if it's not a head of state (ie. queen) - churchill got one, diana didn't.

Consils Wed 17-Apr-13 10:39:38

Are there man crowds, like at the Royal Wedding?

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 10:39:53

I remember doing my homework by candle light because of power cuts. Labour government...

MrsOakenshield Wed 17-Apr-13 10:40:00

not watching and just turned the radio off as I can't bear listening any longer. I don't think it's disrespectful to say that she absolutely does not deserve this level of pomp and ceremony at her funeral, and in fact I think in current times it's pretty damned disrespectful to those who are struggling to see this amount of public money being spent on this woman.

Consils Wed 17-Apr-13 10:40:02


cjel Wed 17-Apr-13 10:40:02

Don't - the fact she had got herself through uni to be mixing with Millionaires she did on her own?

the horses look unsettled

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 10:40:59

why does dimbleby keep blathering.

Maggysinge Wed 17-Apr-13 10:41:01

Oh dry your eyes dawndonna. When this is all over everyone who is not filled with hatred etc will move on while all your lot are still frothing and spewing your bile and going grrrrrrrrr at your computer screen.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 10:41:30

Ach, can we not just talk about the frocks this morning?

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:41:35

That middle horse at front of procession is massive!

DeniseBurke Wed 17-Apr-13 10:42:02

I'm boycotting TV and Radio coverage and wearing red. never mind the politics but the money spent on the funeral could be put to better use, early years and childcare greatly underfunded as is the adult care system.
The woman robbed families of their jobs and broke communities, yes we should pay respect to the dead, but she isn't a heroine and should be laid to rest the same as the majority of us without pomp and ceremony.

NigellasGuest Wed 17-Apr-13 10:42:37

I am sick to death of Dimblebies dominating our airwaves and screens.
Down with this sort of thing!

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 10:42:38

Well I am watching. I love a bit of pomp.

And the Chelsea Pensioners (bless them)

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 10:42:53

Thatcher WAS good for women because she succeeded on merit and not positive discrimination in favour of women.
Encourage women in all areas of life to succeed, yes, but don't discriminate in favour of us. I find it really patronising. Men will only be convinced women are just as capable if we win on merit alone.

one horse is nipping the other

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 10:44:02

You're a one to talk Maggy, you have posted plenty of froth and bile in your time hmm

NigellasGuest Wed 17-Apr-13 10:44:07

oh, I have a Horse Factoid!
Apparently these special black ones are only good at galloping and have been trained for a whole week to walk slowly.

Perhaps they silenced the bells of Big Ben in case anyone in the crowd broke into a spontaneous rendition of "Ding Dong the Witch is dead !" - personally I found that song making the charts this week quite amusing.

Just because it's a funeral we don't have to all leave go of our critical faculties. I'm sure she made some mistakes. But then it would be hard to be prime-minister for a decade and not do so.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 10:44:14

Men in uniform...bring on the eye candy...

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:44:18

She was an iconic leader.

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 10:44:34

Huge crowd. I wasn't expecting so many to turn out

Fluttershy Wed 17-Apr-13 10:44:47

Not surprised there is booing. This is a political event, if they wanted a funeral they should have kept it private. You can't detatch a sad personal event from its political context in this case.

YoniMontana Wed 17-Apr-13 10:45:09

I've not read the whole thread but does anyone else think it's a bit distasteful of people to be taking pictures?

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 10:45:13

Has Her Maj got ANOTHER new car??

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 10:45:19

I think it's very symbolic, because she and Major were the last of a generation that has now passed into history, before the passage to the dishonest sheen of Blair and Cameron.

this really is way ott

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 10:45:41

Argh gstq never fails to bring a tear

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:45:47

Nowhere does pomp like Britain!

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 10:46:25

Prince Phil making a quick joke about Indians as he gets out of the car

cjel Wed 17-Apr-13 10:46:57

Denise, Labour had brought the country to its knees and allowed the unions to hold us to ransom I remember pOwer and food shortages. his woman was voted in again and again by the people of Britain who recognised the reality of our situation. People may have suffered but they were already suffering and a lot of people benefited and are grateful to her.

Dawndonna Wed 17-Apr-13 10:47:34

Gosh Maggy the never ending torrent of vitriol, again.
And, as usual, manners dear, manners.

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 10:47:44

The Queen looks well, as does the Duke of Edinburgh.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 10:47:49

Why a joke about Indians Yoni?
I don't think that's very funny.

oh phils grinning like a buffoon now

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:48:09

DofE looking well for his age.

Mamf74 Wed 17-Apr-13 10:48:11

Fair point, don't, but I agree with cjel that she arrived at that point as a self starter. Especially given the attitudes towards women in education when she started university in such a male dominated field.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 10:48:59

he would though, chocky.

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 10:49:05

I thought I wouldn't watch, but I have. I was no fan, but the people booing are saying more about themselves than her imho.

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 10:49:27

Reckon Phil has said to Queenie that it will be her turn next grin

MrsPeeWee Wed 17-Apr-13 10:49:27

Did anyone just see the queen flinch at almost being hit in the face by the ministers sword and her just turn to price Philip and laugh. I really do love our Queen.

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 10:50:07

Lol Mrs

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 10:50:17

They do look very well don't they.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:50:22

I remember power cuts in '71/'72, so the country was in the depths for a while before she came to power.

Bluebellina Wed 17-Apr-13 10:50:39

Horses are very frisky today-they have been catching my eye continually in the camera horse in particular would clearly rather be elsewheregrin.

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 10:50:50

Or his, Mrs!

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 10:51:06

Me too peewee I will be a mess at her funeral and I don't usually go in for being mawkish

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:51:29

I saw that MrsPeeWee grin

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 10:51:44

It makes you realise what beautiful buildings there are in London...not just churches and abbeys, but buildings en route.

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 10:52:13

Stuff has been thrown at the horses angry wtf?

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:52:18

Bastards chucking stuff at the horses. angry

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 10:52:19

Oh her funeral will be just awesome.

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 10:52:21

i think booing is a good thing - if that is as bad as protests get then it should be an ok day to be in London, there's a real feeling that this could go one way or the other, hopefully it'll be mainly peaceful. There's a lot of people and a lot of raised feelings. Here's hoping for rain, few people protest in the rain.

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Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 10:52:53

They're flowers. But still, distracting for the horses.

Portofino Wed 17-Apr-13 10:52:54

Sure I just spotted Paul Daniels

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 10:53:08

Oh, did the BBC cut the footage at the point there was trouble then?

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 10:53:19

Flowers now, maybe other things before.

noddyholder Wed 17-Apr-13 10:53:27

There is a real sense that this pomp and ceremony is all we have left. Cringe at the OTT expense and reverence while the average person who probably polished that car and swept the cathedral floor are getting shafted

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 10:53:28

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Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 10:53:29

I imagine a lot of would be protesters are still in bed smile

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:53:33

London is amazing - fab architecture.
<Proud to be British>

YoniMontana Wed 17-Apr-13 10:54:14

Ffs some idiot was throwing things at the horses sad

EldritchCleavage Wed 17-Apr-13 10:54:38

Is it wrong that the main focus of my interest is the very dashing Royal Marine with the moustache in the bearer party?

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 10:54:48

Anyone else wish the BBC would give a fair representation of what's going on. They keep showing people clapping, but they don't show any of the protesters.

I know it's a funeral, etc, etc... but surely by covering a live event the BBC should show both the clapping and the booing?

MrsPeeWee Wed 17-Apr-13 10:55:02

I'll be a mess too. I really do love our Queen. She will be a great loss to our country.

I don't think it'll be long before we're watching BBC again for Prince Philips funeral. I must say, himself and the Queen are looking very well.

Jenny70 Wed 17-Apr-13 10:55:15

Can anyone read the note on the flowers? My telly isn't big enough!

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 10:55:19

The people throwing shit at horses won't be laughing if one loses control. Completely stupid - I understand people not liking Maggie to a point from the very little I know...but doing silly stuff like that in protest (and I realise I'm assuming that it's in protest) serves no purpose what so ever...except putting peoples' health and safety in danger....

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 10:55:21

Eldritch grin

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 10:55:28

Eldritch - not wrong at all.

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 10:55:29

Agree with you MrsRobertDuvall grin

Sadly I suspect if there IS trouble it will come later when they have woken up!

LadyBeagleEyes Wed 17-Apr-13 10:55:49

So posters are shock at things being thrown at the horses and it turns out to be flowers from the mourners?

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:56:09

Why give them publicity culture?

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 10:56:10

Jenny It says 'Dearest Mother ... Always in our hearts'

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 10:56:24

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landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 10:56:37

No, I'don't culture. It is the funeral of an 87 year old lady. In my mind the time for protest was when she was in office, the time for celebration was the day she left if you didn't like her.

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 10:56:48

Jenny its from Mark and says something like beloved mother, always in our hearts

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 10:56:50

I don't think it's about giving them publicity - just fair and accurate journalism.

cjel Wed 17-Apr-13 10:57:12

Dimbleby did mention booing as it happened and'disturbance with something being thrown at horses - Most of us don't want protesters to have space today. It is her funeral.

TomArchersSausage Wed 17-Apr-13 10:57:15

I thought it was flowers being thrown. Not a great idea to chuck things at horses it's true, but flowers wouldn't have been maliciously intended.

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 10:57:22

I have a tear in my eye at the Chelsea Pensioners.
Is it too early for a small sherry? i feel that's an appropriate tipple today.

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 10:57:23

x-posted with memoirs - not in protest....still bloody stupid. Horses, even well trained, can spook suddenly.

Bluebellina Wed 17-Apr-13 10:57:38

Eldritch I keep gazing at the stoic navy lad in front on left of coffin. He very nervous,keeps swallowing nervously.He looks about 10smile. Doing a super job though!

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 10:57:58

landofsoap I mostly agree with you - but I still think the BBC have a duty to be non-partisan / objective. Yes, there are people clapping, but there are also people booing too.

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 10:58:01

That's a lot of steps to get up with a coffin

whitewineintherain Wed 17-Apr-13 10:58:52

Sorry if this is already been answered but how do they chose the coffin umm (The words gone right out of my head) carriers?

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 10:58:52

BBC says

" Back turners turn their backs. Very difficult to see them, the crowd is so thick."

So what are they supposed to do, have a special protester cam behind the hundreds of thousands of respectful mourners to catch half-a-dozen idiots?

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 10:59:02

Most of the so called 'protestors' weren't even born when MT was in office!

Bloody yobs!

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 10:59:05

And we can hear them, we don't need to see them too, Culture.

Jenny70 Wed 17-Apr-13 10:59:11


Doesn't look easy going up the steps!

I have it on, thought they were going to drop the coffin at one point as they went up the stairs !

SkinnybitchWannabe Wed 17-Apr-13 10:59:24

I don't agree with the amount its supposed to be costing but I get so proud to be british when I see the amazing ceromonies (sp?) we put on.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 10:59:46

St Paul's is stunning, no?

noddyholder Wed 17-Apr-13 10:59:47

pmsl @ yobs

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 10:59:51

Bald guy at front did the jubilee too I think

cjel Wed 17-Apr-13 10:59:52

am near to tears at how well they've done getting her up the steps.

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Bluebellina Wed 17-Apr-13 10:59:57

Those lads will sink a few hefty pints later I'd say with sheer relief its all over.Their mums must be so proud.

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LadyBeagleEyes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:00:10

We lived in a democracy last time I looked landof.
Peaceful, legitimate protest is our right.
Or would you prefer all objectors to this farce should be silenced like in North Korea?
Or 'disappeared' like her pal Pinochet did.

TomArchersSausage Wed 17-Apr-13 11:00:28

Gosh I always think being a pallbearer loooks a tricky thing to do. Esp with everyone watching.

EldritchCleavage Wed 17-Apr-13 11:00:31

Heaven knows, I DID NOT LIKE the woman, but there is something immature and unattractive about the idea of disrupting her funeral. I agree with whoever said upthread people should have protested when she was in office and celebrated when she left office.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:00:52

I'm loving the the protesters who weren't even born thinking they have a right to say something about MT time in power. Oh the irony...

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 11:00:54

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Well i am, but not on bbc, just watching the coverage on This Morning. I didn't particularly like or despise Maggie Thatcher, and i do think its a way too much money to be spent, but its something i think should be watched as part of our history.
These people there wishing to cause trouble, are sad Imo as the lady is dead so why the hatred? She is no longer alive and i think people should respect the dead, she was no murderer after all.
People throwing poo at horses want to be ashamed, they are beautiful animals what a nasty disgusting thing to do!!!

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 11:01:04

Bet that young Navy lad's Mum is so proud of him today.

Fluttershy Wed 17-Apr-13 11:02:11

So, what, you can't have an opinion if you weren't born then? How are people supposed to learn from history then? Sure there will be some opportunists, but why can't people make their feelings known if they oppose the £ spent on this?

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 11:02:41

Landofsoap - no, if the family wanted a private funeral of an 87 year old woman, then they should have had one. rightly or wrongly, by making this a political state event, it makes it a protest rallying point. I hope there won't be trouble, but not all PM's have had a state/ceremonial funeral - a choice was taken to do this, a choice knowing she was a massively hated figure for large parts of the country.

I think there's a hope that the amount of stuff going on last weekend will have taken the heat out of those who want to protest. It looks like it's gone off as well as possible so far. Now just if they can get rid of the crowds without too much trouble...

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 11:02:44

All I could hear was the clapping.

kilmuir Wed 17-Apr-13 11:02:52

Gosh , we do a good send off!

That blonde guy is really sweating, think he's struggling with the weight somewhat !

I'm watching and I agree St Paul's is stunning.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:02:57

Beautiful music. Worth watching the funeral for architecture and music alone. Plus it's our history.

Jenny70 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:02:59

Looks like there was a representative from each Faulklands regiment to act as pallbearers:

Corporal Spence is one of eight pallbearers drawn from ships, squadrons and regiments which served in the Falklands conflict. They will carry the coffin up the west steps of St Paul’s Cathedral, which will be lined by 14 pensioners from the Royal Hospital Chelsea and 18 service personnel.

The officer in command of the bearer party is Major Nicholas Mott of the Welsh Guards, who will walk behind the coffin with his brother Garrison Sergeant Major Bill Mott OBE. Both men served in the Falklands conflict.

Bluebellina Wed 17-Apr-13 11:03:02

jake hes loverly isnt he?

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 11:03:06

Carol Thatcher's partner is a bit like Lee Mead.

KansasCityOctopus Wed 17-Apr-13 11:03:49

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Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:04:19

This Morning is covering the funeral??
How dumbed down has this country become?
Huzzah for the Dimbles!

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 11:04:39

what don'tmind said.

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 11:05:04

Pumpkin - so some were throwing things other than flowers at the horses? I didn't see...I just saw the horses start to get antsy and heard mention of something being thrown.

I feel for the bearers - must be so nerve wracking.

A coffin was dropped at one of my family's funerals once....

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 11:05:07

We live in a democracy, yet my opinion is not valid! Oh the bloody irony! Anyhow I am not getting into an argument on a thread about a funeral!

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 11:05:12

From my time as a nurse I can remember how even relatively low weight people seem to weigh more in death.

Bluebellina Wed 17-Apr-13 11:05:21

Oh bless,did ye see the sweat dripping off the poor guy on right of coffin 3rd down,blond.(not obsessed with pallbearers here ,no,no)

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 11:05:35

From my time as a nurse I can remember how even relatively low weight people seem to weigh more in death.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 11:05:40

I have no problem with people having a negative opinion of her, but to threaten to disrupt a funeral? Disgusting.

the young navy guy, look like a little boy whos been in the dressing up box, and decided to dress as a sailor

hes doing well though

Jenny70 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:05:50

Anyone remember the Yes Minister Episode where all international deals were done at funerals, as there was no agenda and advisors leading discussions and no expectation to announce outcomes etc?

Snazzynewyear Wed 17-Apr-13 11:06:01

Chockyeggpants I'm watching because I like ceremonial stuff, yes. Not a fan of Thatcher's politics. But that has never yet stopped me watching a live news event like this. I am one of those people who stays up all night on election night.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:06:21

<licks pencil and adds to Eldritch spreadsheet.....Tom Cruise and moustaches>

Is it Mark T who looks like Paul Daniels?

I am red till I'm dead but by gum I love a bit of British pomp.

I don't like the floor in St Paul's though. Looks like an old fashioned lavvy.

IntheFrame Wed 17-Apr-13 11:06:22

I think it's really moving.

Can't believe the Thatcher family aren't blubbing their eyes out. Her granddaughter appears to be smirking.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:06:41

pall bearing looks very hard work. I guess they trained for it.

Watching the coffin processing up the aisle I think these national occasions give us an opportunity to remember our mortality and the life journeys we all make.
After all we and all our loved ones can't all have a funeral like this.
I think many people at Princess Di's funeral were thinking not only of her (though she was much loved by many) - it became an opportunity for national mourning.

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 11:07:40

Yup - but my point was more about the BBC coverage than the rights or wrongs of protesting at a funeral (which is a bit late IMO).

My point was that if protests are happening, then the BBC has a duty to show that as well as all the clapping crowds.

Like choky I'm watching it because it's an important national event.

abbie589 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:07:48


Nanny0gg Wed 17-Apr-13 11:08:21

I've never liked Mark T, but he really looked bereft as the coffin was carried past him.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:08:28

Me too Snazzy. I'm an election night bore grin

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 11:08:49

I really need to go into St Pauls the next time I'm in London - it's such a gorgeous building - sure TV doesn't do it justice.

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 11:09:06

Oh Jesus what IS Sam Cam wearing? <shallow>

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 11:09:18

oh, and Blair was PM for longer, arguably did as much to change the UK, there's now no argument not to give him a ceremonial funeral - in fact, if they don't, there's going to be accusations of political bias in the Royal family (the queen has not attended a Labour PM's funeral, but has 2 tory ones so far). To avoid accusations of favouritism and it being a political decision, Tony Blair will have to be offered one rather publicly, his family might refuse, but the Palace now can't afford the embarrassment of looking partisan by not making it an option. I would imagine the Palace would be pushing like mad for Blair ot get a ceremonial funeral given what's happening today - there's already being articles written that the Queen shouldn't be here if she's to be seen as neutral.

Bluebellina Wed 17-Apr-13 11:10:05

Oh Sam Cam 's bow blouse thingy is definitely not a good look.It ages her too much.She never,ever gets it right and its such a shame as she is very attractive.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:10:06

Thank God they used the proper Lords Prayer not that dreadful modern version

LittleBairn Wed 17-Apr-13 11:10:10

intheframe I don't think the young girl is smirking at all. She looks like she is trying to be as dignified as possible, not trying to show to much emotion so has he face fixed into position so to speak.

Anyone else wondering what the Queen was saying to Philip?

PoppadomPreach Wed 17-Apr-13 11:10:21

I know DC is not a popular figure on MN, but I have to say I feel so sorry for him and Samantha - I imagine funerals are so difficult for them after having to say goodbye to their son.

I'm sitting here blabbing a I am reminded of my own mothers funeral and that was 11 years ago.

this is when it feel like this really should be a private funeral
not public event

something not right about a family being shown on tv live at their mothers funeral

it should be private

mt would be going mad about the expense

Bluebellina Wed 17-Apr-13 11:11:18

Jake you and me have the same filing/order system in our brains todaygrin.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:11:30

"oh, and Blair was PM for longer,"

No, he wasn't. He was in power for 10 years, Thatcher 11.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:11:33

Tony Blair is NOT a man of principle.
He is an oily deceitful chancer.
MT WAS a woman of principle, and she stuck to her convictions.

Jenny70 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:11:53

But MT did plan most of this - she had a guest list of 1200 people! Hardly a private family affair!

JillJ72 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:11:55

NotTreadingGrapes - you'd better add my name to Eldritch's list.

I am watching. We do pomp, ceremony, history so well in this country. I, with my parents and family, benefitted from the Thatcher years. I've been reading different opinions with interest. I don't know that anyone can get running the country right. I hope there isn't any trouble afterwards, it doesn't say a lot about individuals if there is.... And my thoughts would be those on the frontline of sorting out that trouble.

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 11:12:22

IntheFrame - my grandmother died in her late 80s after having had dementia for years too - funerals are different in that case, you've done your grieving, the person you loved is gone - in our case for a good decade before her physical death. My younger cousins can't really remember her being 'well'. It's more a feeling of "well, that's over with" by the time they die.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:12:25

I love SamCam outfit. Totally channelling the 80s.

First hymn - "He who would valiant be" - Yes, I like that one, but noticing too how many "he" and "his" there are in it.

ohforfoxsake Wed 17-Apr-13 11:12:44

I think it's weird that Phil and Holly on This Morning are wearing black. Can they be in mourning and still present 'crime week' and introduce competitions? Very odd.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:12:58

"I really need to go into St Pauls the next time I'm in London - it's such a gorgeous building - sure TV doesn't do it justice."

You can go to a service.

Schedule here:

They list the music that will be played.

PoppadomPreach Wed 17-Apr-13 11:13:26

ChockyEggPants - totally agree - MT, as much as I didn't always agree with her, did what she thought was best for the country (but got it wrong a lot).

TB on the other hand did what he thought was best for TB.

Who is she? I missed it.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:13:31
NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:13:46

Jill- does that include Tom Cruise and Boris Becker? We have an active self help group in AIBU if you'd like to join?

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 11:13:50

Confident girl. How old is she?

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 11:13:55

I want a private funeral with immediate family only. Def no church service and no people from outside the family.

lichfieldlass Wed 17-Apr-13 11:14:02

Watching with a 4 and a 2 year old is interesting ... are they going to bury her with God? What's in the box Mummy? The lady? Mummy said its only her body. Is there no face or legs in the box? Look at the poor King! (no idea who he saw then!) Where are they going to bury her? Under the seats?
music starts 2 yr old pronounces "and now they're going to marry her!"

Snazzynewyear Wed 17-Apr-13 11:14:12

Amanda Thatcher sounds American. Whose daughter is she and has she been growing up abroad?

Thank you.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:14:33

Do you think Cherie is sat between Gordy and Princess Tone to be bouncer?

MsJupiterJones Wed 17-Apr-13 11:15:05

Juggling - but also includes the line "I'll fear not what men say"

Well Amanda T's voice is a surprise.

VivaLeBeaver Wed 17-Apr-13 11:15:11

Mark thatchers daughter. Grew up in South Africa then America I think.

EldritchCleavage Wed 17-Apr-13 11:15:32

NGT, you have made me laugh so much I coughed until I was dizzy.

Disclaimer: I only like moustaches on Paras and Marines. (And DH). And Tyrese. No idea why.

Where state pageantry is concerned, its us and the Indians topping the international league table. No one else comes close.

Anyone else remember the Belgians at the D Day anniversary shindig? Their uniforms needed ironing. The shame.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:15:37

Snork, nottreadinggrapes...

WorraLiberty Wed 17-Apr-13 11:15:52

I think her Granddaughter delivered that beautifully.

Bluebellina Wed 17-Apr-13 11:16:26

lichfield grin.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 11:16:51

grin lichfield.

Amanda Thatcher (her grand-daughter) did a great job with the reading I thought.
"Oh Lord, hear my prayer" also a beautiful choice, with the choristers.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:17:24

Um, I'm half Indian, I wouldn't really say Indias good at pageantry.....
Unless you're all hoping Tone and Gordy will chuck themselves on funeral pyre at noon....

lichfield grin

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 11:18:04

Maroney - going to a service - I like that idea. Can't even begin to imagine what Xmas Eve service would be like!!!

Amanda Thatcher is a braver lady than I would have been - I'd have fallen to pieces.

Agreeing with TB being an oily, smarmy individual - I voted him in...and what a disappointment he was. Oh, here's Cameron - don't particularly like him but it must be hard being at a funeral - must bring back memories for him.

WorraLiberty Wed 17-Apr-13 11:18:28

I really want to watch this at lichfield's house! grin grin

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:18:34

Anyone else finding this moving?
(And I'm an atheist...)

JillJ72 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:18:53

(NTG - I have been to AIBU Not sure about BB; I grew up in Germany during the BB years, although he has matured OK).

The family have seemed remarkably composed, MT's granddaughter particularly so with the reading.

The chorale is beautiful. I love St Paul's.

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 11:19:20

My Nan died at 87 of dementia, I cried my heart out at the funeral and on the day she died. I could hardly stand on the day, TBH.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:20:02

Gordon buried a child as well remember.

EldritchCleavage Wed 17-Apr-13 11:20:16

I assumed Sam Cam was doing a Thatcher tribute with the pussy bow blouse. Bit corny.

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 11:20:18

Chocky - just spat my tea out....

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:20:22

I like Cameron. I feel sorry for him as being in a Coalition AND during major economic crisis, his hands are tied as to exactly what the government can afford to do.

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 11:20:25

Chocky - not the point, he was the PM for a long time, pushed through a lot of social changes (even if it was for selfish reasons, although I don't think MT would have done anything that would have cost her an election either) - the point is that the Palace can't afford to be seen as picking sides, so he'll have to be offered one, and I reckon Cherie is the sort to say yes.

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 11:21:55

Oh I love Brahms German Requiem.

I'm a raging leftie but agree with others that it is a historically important event. I wouldn't be watching if I wasn't stuck at home with a 4wk old though.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:22:05

skippedtheripeoldmango: it's £16 to get in otherwise shock

2-4-1 here though:

free for the services obviously

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:22:16

Cherie Booth bangs on about her socialist roots but is happy to push and shove her way to the front just like any other happy capitalist.
The music is just fabulous.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 11:22:25

Sadly Don'tmind I think you're right.

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 11:22:26

Have started thinking about my own funeral sad and what hymms I would like.
I like traditional ones with lots of thees and thys.
Definitely having Guide me o thou great redeemer.

Dd has offered to sing " Somewhere that's green" from Little Shop of Horrors and "Tell me it's not true" from Blood Brothers. We decided that anything from Avenue Q was not appropriate.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:22:32

Cherie will make damn sure he gets hit over the head with a shovel while she's still compos mentis enough to look beautiful maybe not at the funeral.

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 11:22:33

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chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:22:44

the choir is beautiful. those little choir boys look sooo angelic.......wonder have any of their mums posted on our behaviour site???????

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:23:28

Has anyone seen the film Iron Lady?
What did you think of it?

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:23:34

Are they going to sing some big bellowy numbers as well? Apart from all this nice choiry stuff? I like a big boomy Abide With Me singsong.

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 11:23:35


BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 11:24:25

Is it wrong to fancy one of the choir?

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:24:37

I don't think you can go wrong with the numbers Diana had at hers tbh.

Apart from Elton of course.

I've booked Macca to do the neh neh neh neh neh bit.

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 11:25:04

Thanks Maroney! Very kind of you to give me the info.

I cant' even bear the though of Cherie at Blair's funeral....

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:25:25

If the member of the choir has bumfluff ressembling a muzzie Eldritch'll be in there.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:25:54

I wuv John Major. He's fab. Shame he gave way to Bliar and Shameron.

I wondered that BastardDog. grin

I've seen The Iron Lady. No idea if it's a fair representation of what she was like in private. It was all a bit odd.

chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:26:45

did u see the queen whisper to her hubby as they brought the coffin in?????? what do u think she said?

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 11:26:49

Well said that man talking now.

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 11:26:52

This should be the last Ceremonial Funeral for a PM IMO. She was the longest serving PM for 150 years, according to Cameron this morning, and the first woman PM.

The rest of them are dishonest, slippery eels and are only in it for themselves. I, for, one hope that Blair in particular is never given a funeral like this.

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 11:27:15

Osborne a bit weepy?

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 11:27:18

Who's the fella behind DC?

George Osborne is crying

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 11:27:28

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BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 11:27:36

I think Queen said something about the flowers on the coffin.

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 11:27:36


Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:28:18

I LOVE Nick Cleggs wife's outfit! She is stunning.

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 11:28:44

Someone on commentary said earlier that this would be the last state funeral other than for senior royalty

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:28:49

Chartres is very melifluous isn't he. Nice cathedral-filling voice.

cantspel Wed 17-Apr-13 11:28:55

One Mrs T is worth more than the whole lot of political leaders we have today across all sides of the house. With her dies the the end of a time when we had a pm who was stood for something. She said what she ment and ment what she said none of the two faced weak lot we have now.
Love of loath her you knew where you stood with her.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:29:31

The chap speaking is doing a good job of his speech.
Approachable and honest.

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 11:29:48

First time Ingham's looked weepy, ever, I should think

wonderingagain Wed 17-Apr-13 11:29:51

YABU because someone somewhere will work out that '7000 million viewers watched...' and she will be remembered in history as someone that 'the public' is very keen on. If you disagreed with her policies you disagreed with her position of power. Turning on the TV will simply bolster the very thing you disagreed with.

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Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 11:30:18

I'd like to make Osbourne cry, the odious little shit.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 11:30:32

Lovely eulogy.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:30:56

"Turning on the TV will simply bolster the very thing you disagreed with."

TV viewing figures are done by survey. If you are not part of the survey it won't make any difference at all.

shame none of mt's carers where named and recognised

you know the ones that actually looked after her......

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:31:04

Snork @ Floss

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 11:31:10

flosshilde grin

MeAndMySpoon Wed 17-Apr-13 11:31:48

SamCam is wearing MASSIVE pussycat bow top in homage to Maggie, I reckon. :-)

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 11:32:03

Gah! Bloody jet taking off here angry Have to turn tv up!

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Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 11:32:09

Ooh there's Portillo. I like him much more now he's not in frontline politics.

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 11:32:38

I thought that too white...and I suspect MT would have wanted their contribution really recognised.

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Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 11:33:06

Boris nodding in agreement.

some guys wearing sunglasses??

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:33:32

good thing Boris is hidden in row 8. He always looks ridiculous at everything he goes to.

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 11:33:36

I love Michael Portillo. Apologies to those who don't understand.....

chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:34:08


Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:34:20

Chartres bloke is really good. Striking the right note amongst all the controversy surrounding MT and funeral.
Hopefully Boston bombings have put everything in perspective.

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 11:34:21

"Increasing disability" that is so sad, such a sharp mind destroyed by strokes and dementia.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:35:08

I like Boris Johnson.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 11:35:28

Bowlers - I get ya!!

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BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 11:35:59

I love Boris.

Mark T has got some colour back in his cheeks.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:36:08

I like Portillo. When he lost his seat in the elections it was like he'd been liberated.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:36:36

Michael Portillo can be very witty with his little squashy potato face.

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 11:37:17

surprized MT added Salmond to the guestlist.

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NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:37:23

I like Boris as well. (no Eldritch I wouldn't do him though, Feck, can you imagine)

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 11:37:33

Blimey-Alex Salmond there??

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 11:37:48

Love Michael Portillo's train journeys series on BBC2.

The bishop is very good. His message is lovely - about being loving and joyful with our relationships.

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Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:38:31

Lovely photography BBC.

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 11:38:43

He wouldn't miss a chance to be a Statesman, Blolersarm but I'm surprized MT didn't have him on a No Chance Mate list smile

EldritchCleavage Wed 17-Apr-13 11:39:07

What? What? I never said anything!

culturemulcher Wed 17-Apr-13 11:39:24

miemohors the temptation to put them next to each other must have been HUGE

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 11:39:37

Just as a reminder - the funeral was planned under Labour. If you have a quibble with it, it's with the previous administration as much as the present.

Fine to protest - but in front of the bloody coffin just isn't civilised.

Also throwing crap at the horses is not exactly showing a great deal of a) sense or b) concern for living creatures. Again, the protester demeans themselves rather than the event.

FWIW I was horrified at many of Maggie's policies during the 80's. I studied politics during that period so was paying very close attention! How I loved the way she and her politics were satirised by Spitting Image/HIGNFY/ Private Eye/ Ben Elton.

But the truth is she was a person, a wife, mother and grandmother as well as a politician - and people are fallible and painted in various shades of grey (bit like Major's Spitting Image puppet!) rather than a black and white caricature. She was not all bad. Although many of the policies of her administration were divisive and destructive some were constructive. Mining, obviously, was all but destroyed - but many young entrepreneurs were helped to start businesses, some of which will have shaped the world we live in today, in a positive way. She supported Pinochet - but in defeating Galtieri she helped Argentina become more democratic. Her relationship with Regan helped define monetary policy and the growth of financial services - but equally her relationship with Gorbachev helped to end the cold war.

She did not try to privatise the NHS or introduce academies and free schools - unlike subsequent Labour and Coalition administrations.

Bottom line - her legacy was mixed. As a human being, she deserves to be laid to rest in a dignified way - as any of us would wish to be.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:39:42

What are they singing? Italian tv cut to some boring Berlusca stuff.

MeAndMySpoon Wed 17-Apr-13 11:40:14

Not sure I approve of Charteres telling us we've all got it wrong about the famous 'No such thing as society' quotation. hmm Thank you, I think it's up to us all to make our own interpretations. Did anyone follow the very interesting and informative discussion about this on R4's PM programme last week?

Chartres - not bad, but went on a bit ? Thought he was good where he talked about her as a person at the beginning. Then it got a bit christian at the end I thought - but ministers usually do !
Back to the hymns and singing ... that's better smile

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melika Wed 17-Apr-13 11:41:43

Shocked to see Osborne visibly upset, but yet none of her old cabinet are!

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:41:48

Yes teej, looks like Labourites have short memories as well as shit policies....

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 11:42:02

Love divine all loves excelling. Another nice hymn.

Good post teejwood.

I think things were thrown at the horses prior to the flowers. Whilst the been was showing liz n Philly arriving

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 11:42:34

Bishop of London. Brilliant.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:42:34

Sorry I couldn't do Boris. I don't do sloppy seconds....

oh yeah we all got it wrong the whole 'No such thing as society'

that wasn't actually what she ment..... hmm


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YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:43:01

Nice Jamaican accent. smile

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 11:43:29

DS1(18) absolutely loves Boris!

He is ill today so home from school, he is watching the funeral with me. He is studying Thatcher at the moment for his History A level so it is quite apt.

melika Wed 17-Apr-13 11:43:45

I like a good 'do' I do, hope it's a decent buffet!

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 11:43:50

N't this lady got a beautiful voice?

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:43:56

Oh thank you for link!

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 17-Apr-13 11:44:15


Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:44:25

Your DS is studying Thatcher?
As in she is history??
Fuck, I feel OLD...

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 11:44:45

Save me the bloody politics's a fecking funeral.
I don't care WHO planned it....just know she is on record somewhere saying she didn't want a State funeral. Bad luck got ne in all but name.

mymatemax Wed 17-Apr-13 11:45:28

was Cameron Yawning when he was singing?

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 11:45:59

I would protest if Osbourne got a ceremonial funeral.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:46:58

Jake, I think it's a lovely funeral. Very appropriate, dignified and wonderful music.
(And I'm an atheist pacifist feminist LibDem!!!)

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 11:47:27

All my favourite requiems. Can't fault the music.

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 11:48:29

chocky Boris wouldn't so much be second hand, as ....<runs out of fingers and toes>

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 11:48:41

Me too Chocky, apart from the Lib Dem bit. grin

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 11:48:47

Oh no. We had this at my dads funeral. Now I'm going to join Osbourne and cry.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:48:59

Did MT choose the music? She had good taste.
I like this piece too that choirboys are singing.
Not heard it before.

I too could do Boris

chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:49:16

does the church of england do comminion at funerals?

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:49:39

Italians now pointing out Jeffrey Archer and Jonathan Aitken. Are they sat together?

Has it been mentioned that her coffin is tilted slightly to the right?

EldritchCleavage Wed 17-Apr-13 11:50:09

Never mind Boris. Household Cavalry in white britches and knee high boots! Phew!

LaVolcan Wed 17-Apr-13 11:50:27

Then it got a bit christian at the end I thought grin

Err, wasn't it St Pauls? It should have been christian all the way through.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:50:37

Really moving. Can anyone tell me what it was?TIA.

Altogether now

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:50:51

Now I shall blub happily to I vow....

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 11:50:51

Love this hymn -sways-

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 11:50:52

I Vow to Thee My Country - lovely lovely.

Betelgeuse Wed 17-Apr-13 11:51:01

I saw Cameron having a good old yawn as well, masking it as singing.

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Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:51:21

Ugh Cherie face singing n gurning....

TheChimpParadox Wed 17-Apr-13 11:51:38

My DH wants this at his funeral - Vow to thy my Country - its quite moving.

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 11:51:39

((Hugs)) BastardDog.

I'm joining you now, we had this at my Gran's, and DH who is in the RAF wants this if he dies in Service.

melika Wed 17-Apr-13 11:51:58

I vow to thee my country, how stirring and a beautiful hymn.

cantspel Wed 17-Apr-13 11:52:05

"They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours." – in an interview in Women's Own in 1987

Full quote and is as true today as it was when Mrs T said it.

picnicbasketcase Wed 17-Apr-13 11:52:11

This is my favourite hymn. Shame it'll always remind me of this now.

TheChimpParadox Wed 17-Apr-13 11:52:11

thee not thy !

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:52:16

Something in my eye....

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Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:53:13

Cantspel : I think MT was right in her comment re society.

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LaVolcan Wed 17-Apr-13 11:54:12

"It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours."

Duty to your neighbours too. Doesn't that make it 'Society'?

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 11:54:21

chockyeggpants the lovely piece the choir sang was called Paradisium.

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 11:54:35
lichfieldlass Wed 17-Apr-13 11:54:57

Mini Lichfields losing focus. Is that the person that died? Is she out of the box? Why is that man wearing a pink hat and pink clothes? I don't want this bit. I want to get the lady buried! <Singing starts> Now they going to marry her!

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:55:05

I think she was right in that comment. And I am Labour.

Who was the bloke who looked like Czar Nicholas/Prince Michael bellowing?

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:55:05

Welby isn't as good as the last one.

LaVolcan Wed 17-Apr-13 11:55:06

Who's Wee Eck? Or do I need to get out more?

carabos Wed 17-Apr-13 11:55:10

Oh there he is - was wondering what had happened to the ArchB of C.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:55:29

Thanks bastard and floss!

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:55:51

<falls in love with Lichfield's children>

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:55:56

Welby needs more beard

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:56:12

Snork @ I want to get the lady buried!

LayMizzRarb Wed 17-Apr-13 11:56:28


Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 11:56:44

Feel for those bearers. Nervewracking.

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 11:56:50

Oh dear, Dimbelbys made a few mistakes - 2 granddaughters?

amicissimma Wed 17-Apr-13 11:57:17

Chocky, In Paradism from Faure's Requiem. The whole Requiem is wonderful and too good to be kept for funerals only.

The accoustics at St Paul's are terrible; I went to Midnight Mass there and because it's so big the singing got out of sync, one end with the other, plus the organ. A pity if you go for a good carol sing.

SC just doesn't seem to get her face right when the camera is on her, but Major seems to look right every time.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:57:42

Ok, verdicts please on funeral?
Big thumbs up from me!

ItsYonliMe Wed 17-Apr-13 11:57:42

Who is the elderly geezer chewing gum the whole time - driving me nuts. Him and his wife don't sing either.
Who is the black dude in the sunglasses confused

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:57:45

Anybody waiting for Macca to pop up from behind a pew and say "wait, I Haven't done my bit yet, like, lah"

carabos Wed 17-Apr-13 11:57:58

Queenie looks to have lost some weight with that tummy bug.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 11:58:17

Major gets better with each passing year.

Jenny70 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:58:22

I wonder if there is an after-do, drinks and canapes etc somewhere? Or do all the internationals just fly home today?

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 11:58:36

cantspel - it that the famous "society" quote or another time she mentioned society?

chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:59:03

i think the black dude may be visually impaired!

cantspel Wed 17-Apr-13 11:59:09

I think it is a lovely funeral and Mrs T had great taste in music.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 11:59:21

We could have a virtual wake on MN?
Whiskey and ham sarnie anyone?
Or a sherry?

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 11:59:26

Just right chocky - very fitting I thought.

LayMizzRarb Wed 17-Apr-13 11:59:37

Extremely pissed off for Carol Thatcher, that she is at the back of the cortège, behind the grandchildren AND his 2 Nd wife.

JillJ72 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:59:53

Just right, fitting, and with a bit of humour.

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 11:59:53

I think John Major has a portrait in his attack. The man never changes.

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 11:59:59

I feel sorry for the family having the eyes of the world on them. You just want to blub at a funeral of a loved one don't you, not remain all dignified. I'd be a right mess, the last thing I'd want is 2,000 pairs of eyes on me, as well as millions watching on the tele!

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 12:00:01

Well that was a nice send off

gazzalw Wed 17-Apr-13 12:00:15

Dimbleby has made a few gaffes today hasn't he.....I bet Michael Thatcher will love having been referred to as a grand-daugher???!!!

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 12:00:42

Please let there be no trouble outside

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 12:00:46

Wow the shaft of light when they opened St Paul's door just now.

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NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 12:01:06

Yet another lovely MN moment to add to my list.

I attended MT's funeral with MNers. grin

cantspel Wed 17-Apr-13 12:01:21

skippedtheripeoldmango No that is the quote which the left like to misquote or rather leave out the rest of what she said.

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 12:01:37

Ooh I've got some Harvey's Bristol Cream.

<hands it round>

I think Welby was very good. Preferred his brief prayers to Chartres long address. He can do my going out prayers if he's free !
Music throughout has been beautiful.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 12:02:03

Carol & Mark should be together behind the coffin.

chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:02:10

i agree id be pissed if i was Carol Thatcher. she should have been with her brother

JakeBullet Wed 17-Apr-13 12:02:29

Suspect if she has been as ill as is reported they (the family) probably said their goodbyes a long time ago sad. Perhaps in their minds this is a release sad.

Beveridge Wed 17-Apr-13 12:02:29

In response to upthread and bbc coverage - when Chamberlain came back from Munich in 1938, they deliberately failed to cover the significant protests in Trafalgar Square and only focused on the approving crowds in Downing Streets.

They apologised for it a few years ago, if I remeber rightly.

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 12:02:37

-cringe- I hope the flowers are glued down

Bearbehind Wed 17-Apr-13 12:02:43

I thought it was especially moving when the final hymn was sung.

On a lighter note- when I first saw Mark Thatcher I wondered why Les Dennis was on the front row blush

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 12:03:10

Can I have ice in my whiskey please?

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 12:03:24

It's a bit off really, isn't it? She was MT's daughter....just as important as her brother...or should be.

EldritchCleavage Wed 17-Apr-13 12:03:39

Perhaps Carol didn't want to be though. I notice she's worn sunglasses a lot when appearing in public, rather shielding herself. She may be uncomfortable with having to do this in public before the world's media etc.

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 12:03:52

Nottrending - to be fair, he's 70 now and looks it, it's just that he looked 70 when he was in his 40s... grin

Now there's a man who's wife will say no to a state funeral! Can you imagine Norma Major wanting anything other than a quiet family funeral at their local parish church and then all back for a bit of a do at hers with friends from the WI making sandwiches and maning a tea urn?

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 12:03:57

Good. People are applauding.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 12:04:00

Got some Pedro Ximinez here, past noon now.

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Carrying that coffin down all those steps must be really difficult - even worse than going up.
I like some of the coffin bearers too. Prefer the handsome blond one to the one with the moustache - but admit it is rather impressive smile

carabos Wed 17-Apr-13 12:04:43

Dimbleby has no idea who's who here does he?

ItsYonliMe Wed 17-Apr-13 12:05:01

Can someone educate me on the purple pillows please? MT's grandchildren were holding them earlier and now the pillows are being taken down the steps.

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skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 12:05:09

Sorry, wasn't clear..meant was that the actual whole, yes then smile

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 12:05:17

didn't Carol rather have a difficult relationship with her mother? It must be hard to be in the public gaze at a funeral for a parent you didn't have a close relationship with.

amicissimma Wed 17-Apr-13 12:05:36

Was I the only person holding my breath when they carried the coffin down those steps. Specially when red-jacket-man at the front lost his footing slightly?

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 12:05:51

What happens now? Do the family go to private burial?

TheChimpParadox Wed 17-Apr-13 12:06:29

The purple pillows held Maggies medals - i.e Order of the Garter etc

chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:06:30

loving the moustached poll bearer. he will b in my dreams tonight...ding dong!

Jenny70 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:06:31

Apparently she is being cremated at Mortlake, and her ashes interred with Dennis (not sure where). Not sure when the cremation is taking place, but I think that is family only.

cjel Wed 17-Apr-13 12:06:41

Think Carols struggling with the being in public thing 'Don't make a fuss' I can imagine her saying.

Bearbehind Wed 17-Apr-13 12:06:45

So Dimbelby thinks MT had 2 granddaughters and that Mark's wife is actually his sister! Is he watching the same thing we are?

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 12:06:54

That's a fair reasoning, Eldritch. Maybe so...I get the impression she and her mother didn't have the closest of relationships and perhaps that cuts even deeper for Carol now?

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 12:06:59

Bowlersarm: she is being taken to the Royal Hospital Chelsea and will be cremated next Wednesday

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 12:07:05

Amicissimma - yep, poor bloke, if he'd dropped it he'd have never lived that down. Mind you, he'd probably be dining out on being the person who dropped the coffin for the rest of his life.

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 12:07:23

Yy don'tmind and studiously ignoring the hair tearing and teeth gnashing from Edwina.

carabos Wed 17-Apr-13 12:07:25

it'syonilime the cushions are carrying her honours - Garter and Order of Merit I think.

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 12:07:27

No my heart was in my mouth amicissimma

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 12:07:36

Those bells sound ill.

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 12:07:43

Is Carol on the phone?

ItsYonliMe Wed 17-Apr-13 12:07:53

Who is the curly haired man next to Carol Thatcher?

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 12:08:16

Chelsea hospital is where the Italians say she is being interred.

The purple pillows had her medals/orders on them.

Is that Carol on her phone? shock

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 12:08:26

They are muffled BastardDog.

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 12:08:41

Thank you yoni and jenni. So do the family go and have drinks/nibbles somewhere with the 'guests'?

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 12:08:48

ItsYonliMe - think that's carol's DP.

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 12:09:01

No she just had her hand next to her face I think

The queen looks really quite upset.

juneybean Wed 17-Apr-13 12:09:36

Carol's desperate to get further away

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 12:09:38

Love how Mark T just wiped his sweaty hands on his tails in preparation for shaking hands with the Queen.

Jenny70 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:09:40

The Queen greeted Carol before Wife #2 (don't know her name!)

Bowlersarm Wed 17-Apr-13 12:10:11

Really impressed with the grandchildren. They are so poised.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 12:10:14

Amanda Thatcher curtseyed very nicely in those enormous heels.

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 12:10:53

I love the Queen.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 12:11:37

So she should Jenny!

chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:11:49

do Mark and Carol not get on?

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 12:12:12

floss - Oh yes, Edwina will be impossible.

I bet Gordon Brown doesn't have a state do unless Tony Blair has died first and had one. If Brown goes first, it'll be a very quiet affair.

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Jenny70 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:12:26

I agree Horsemad, just pleased that the Queen knows the order of things, seemed off that Carol was tucked behind on the way out and as the coffin went down, she could hardly see!

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 12:12:51

Carol will really regret that hat. Seems to be giving her a lot of trouble.

amicissimma Wed 17-Apr-13 12:13:05

Does HM's car not have number plates? That would be handy around speed cameras. (Have to take down the Royal Standard, perhaps.)

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 12:13:06

Carol's fascinator is falling off, hence the hand to head.

carabos Wed 17-Apr-13 12:13:16

Carol's desperate to get that hat off.

lichfieldlass Wed 17-Apr-13 12:13:19

Well that was moving and very beautiful (despite the alternative commentary in my background). Think I need a sherry. Thks Floss

GoodtoBetter Wed 17-Apr-13 12:13:23

Were I in Britain I would watch just to make sure the old bat was good and dead.

cantspel Wed 17-Apr-13 12:13:28

Old Queenie must be feeling her age at times like this but i love her and remember as a child every year going to watch her car go past as she went to the Derby in Epsom.

PiggyPlumPie Wed 17-Apr-13 12:13:32

I think Carols losing her hat - not on the phone as I thought earlier.

God I hate Tony Bleuuurgh.

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MsJupiterJones Wed 17-Apr-13 12:14:06

Wife#2 was crying though, or dabbing her eyes anyway.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 12:14:12

Carol seemed cowed, I thought.

carabos Wed 17-Apr-13 12:14:37

haha Dimbers that's a cracker - Crawfie's the woman in the black hat grin

handcream Wed 17-Apr-13 12:14:39

What are Blair and the horrible wife of his doing at the door to St Paul's meeting and greeting....

EldritchCleavage Wed 17-Apr-13 12:15:04

Gordy B is a son of the manse. Can't see him wanting all this High Church malarkey.

Blair is another story. And if he goes before Cherie I expect she would want the Full Monty. I've been in the same room as her 2-3 times and 'attention-seeking' doesn't even begin to cover it.

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 12:15:21

Carol's holding her hat on I think.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 12:15:30

Christ, Fergies there!!

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 12:15:39

Families are funny things. I don't suppose the Thatchers are any different.

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 12:15:43

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Jenny70 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:16:04

But no other royals (other than the Queen and Prince Phillip obviously), why Fergie, I wonder?

herethereandeverywhere Wed 17-Apr-13 12:16:42

Excuse me for butting in - I have tried to check the thread for reference to what I'm going to ask but may have missed it.

This happened about half way through (I think) when Phil and Holly did one of the many cut to the fawning man outside St Pauls. Did Edwina Currie really say that she justified breast cancer and cervical cancer screening to Thatcher by saying women would be back at work and paying income tax? Because she was a scientist and liked a reasoned argument (or words to that effect)? Was that actually supposed to be a positive anecdote? I felt a bit sick and switched over at that point. Perhaps someone could confirm for me.

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 12:16:46

Blair converted to the Catholic faith didn't he?

cantspel Wed 17-Apr-13 12:17:04

For once looks like Boris has combed his hair

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 12:17:07

Some Naice hats..

recall Wed 17-Apr-13 12:17:43

Its like watching Spitting Image grin

moreyear Wed 17-Apr-13 12:17:43

A very moving service - a fitting tribute I think.

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 12:17:48

Fucking Clarkson.

Shirley Bassie looks wonderful.

TanteRose Wed 17-Apr-13 12:17:58

The congregation looks like Spitting Image come to life! Tebbit, Hurd, Owen et al

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 12:18:01

Dame Burley Shassy n Clarkson with a Blonde

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 12:18:05

Ahh Simon Weston.

chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:18:16

does Simon Weston have no medals?

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 12:18:27

grin Floss

shelley72 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:18:28

herethereandeverywhere i heard that too. they're all heart aren't they?!

NotTreadingGrapes Wed 17-Apr-13 12:18:33

It is SI.

grin <<<<<and that's Cherie's gob

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 12:18:38

Herethere - yes, I'd flicked onto ITV for that - yes, that was the thatcher government there and then. People up thread said she was a woman of principle and convinction, if anyone wanted to bring in policies to her, it had to fit with her ideology, so working out what the economic argument was for breast and cervical cancer screening was not just the health argument was important.

PiggyPlumPie Wed 17-Apr-13 12:18:57

Does anyone else keep picturing the old politicians as their Spitting Image puppets??

Yep. The two Davids

landofsoapandglory Wed 17-Apr-13 12:19:38

I need to go get a shower and get dressed. I watched it in bed in my jammies!blush

PiggyPlumPie Wed 17-Apr-13 12:19:43

Major cross post!! Not just me then?? grin

TanteRose Wed 17-Apr-13 12:19:49

Recall grin great minds...

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 12:19:49

YY to what Nick Robinson said just now.

chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:19:54

lol loving the spitting image references i was thinking exact the same thing

Flosshilde Wed 17-Apr-13 12:20:06

Blair's funeral would be a Requiem Mass at Westminster Cathedral. He converted to Catholicism after he left office.

YoniMaroney Wed 17-Apr-13 12:20:08

Is it finished? sad

EldritchCleavage Wed 17-Apr-13 12:20:23

I keep wondering what viewers in other countries, especially non-Christian countries, are making of all this if watching. Would be fascinating to find out.

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 12:20:30

Horsemad - yes, but I reckon if there's a ceremonial funeral on offer, Cherie will be happy with a CofE service...

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 12:20:38

Same land!!

handcream Wed 17-Apr-13 12:20:54

Didnt Cherie sit in on Cabinet meetings! Also just seen that BBC journalist (cannot remember his name - but he was on Strictly!) and they keep showing his clip when she resigned and he said there was lots of pushing and shoving and he said 'this IS the microphone Prime Minister'.

I saw him being interviewed earlier and he clearly loved her. I wonder if we will see her like again....

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 12:21:45

Glad it passed off without hitch.

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 12:22:13

Switched to Sky now... Woman and Lloyd Webber...

Jenny70 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:22:24

All over, and Bargain Hunt is on next - slightly ironic given the cost of the "ceremonial funeral"

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 12:22:40

John Sargeant hand

chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:22:43

Broken record time. why has simn weston no medals

Chockyeggpants Wed 17-Apr-13 12:23:17

WTAF sky has just shown a shot of a funeral guest taking a pic of her DH at the funeral!!!!!

annoyednow Wed 17-Apr-13 12:23:29

I do think the ceremony is very lovely to the senses. Horsies, flowers and fab colours all set in a 'sacred temple' ritual. And like hello magazine with the famous and the infamous. However, I know people have said she was principled. I don't know whether whether it was true principle and integrity or just sanctimonious. I was watching big questions on bbc and somebody said it was documented she colluded with the police in putting a certain picture of the casualties of Hillsborough among other things. If Pinochet was your friend and you're honest and principled, don't pretend you're against tyranny. Just admit your battling for your tyranny, not righteousness. Pr is everything though isn't it. Creating the perception that your side is 'good' and the others 'bad'.

Was interested to read her great granny was Irish, a Sullivan from Co. Cork. She certainly retained no affinity. Expected completely British from way back.

Barrosso giving thumbs-up to Blair!

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 12:23:59

Prob doesn't wear his medals.

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 12:24:45

YY to Spitting Image.

skippedtheripeoldmango Wed 17-Apr-13 12:25:02

Let's hope that the crowds will all go home peacefully...

EldritchCleavage Wed 17-Apr-13 12:25:21

Was interested to read her great granny was Irish, a Sullivan from Co. Cork

Eek! Ditto-were MT and I related? Scary thought.

Lot of Sullivans in Cork, mind!

Thought Dimbleby or his researchers could have been reading our thread in his summing up. Thanks to all for your company - was much more fun with you all !

Horsemad Wed 17-Apr-13 12:25:56

I'm off for a wee now, thanks for your company meet you back here for the next one!

MsJupiterJones Wed 17-Apr-13 12:26:30

Earlier in the week they were commenting that it was surprising she had requested Howe, Heseltine et al be invited but looking at them you could see why - her final way of pulling rank, getting all those grey old men to stand and watch her pass.

And yes they do all look like Spitting Image puppets!

chubbymomie2012 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:27:23

im glad i joined the thread. always a pleasure never a chore. x

miemohrs Wed 17-Apr-13 12:28:04

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

herethereandeverywhere Wed 17-Apr-13 12:28:04

DontmindifIdo So the principle and conviction that people dying an horrific death decades before their time was not enough? Lovely.

teejwood Wed 17-Apr-13 12:29:41

MsJones I do like that theory about her getting them all to do her bidding one last time grin.

Thanks, all, for your company.

carabos Wed 17-Apr-13 12:30:47

We've got some bloody beautiful buildings haven't we? Always look great when the roads are closed and the helicopters are swarming round for fab aerial shots.

DontmindifIdo Wed 17-Apr-13 12:31:48

Herethere - sorry, I typed rather tongue in cheek - up thread there were lots of people saying she was a politician of principle, not like Tony Blair - the point being, yes she was, but her principle was more important than compassion and her cabinet knew it - so if they wanted to convince her of something it had to fit in with her principles. That's what a true politician of principle means. The fact it would save lives was not considered important.