To think those who have had Botox/fillers look fake?

(105 Posts)
KareninsGirl Fri 12-Apr-13 15:49:43

Well, AIBU?

I really think it makes people look homogenous, plastic and slightly weird.

What's wrong with a 'face that tells a story' anyway?!

Charliefox Fri 12-Apr-13 15:52:16

Yes, YABU. I honestly don't look fake <convinces own self>

Yes. I saw Richard Gere in 'Arbitrage' yesterday and he was brilliant in it, really good story - great acting.

But the first few minutes I felt sorry for him as he has fillers in the top of his cheeks and I thought they looked obvious/stretched.

Every other part of his face was wrinkled and had character.

And I reiterate again that he was fantastic in the film and I just doubt that he needs it.

Pootles2010 Fri 12-Apr-13 15:56:10

Ah but if they were good botox/fillers you wouldn't know would you? So you can only judge on the crappy ones.

TakingTheStairs Fri 12-Apr-13 15:57:11

YABU

You would be surprised at how many people you have met that have it done that you don't know about.
It can look fake & plastic if it's OTT.
And a face can still tell a story, but with a botox maybe the story isn't "I haven't slept in ten daysand I'm really cross" which is what I look like without my botox. With it, I look normal and not scary.

YouTheCat Fri 12-Apr-13 15:58:57

YANBU - just look at Kylie

Well I'm guessing that Richard Gere can afford the absolute best and it still looked incredibly obvious to me

justpoppy Fri 12-Apr-13 16:00:52

YABU. Botox and fillers don't always look fake. Yes some people like the fake look and if that's the look they're going for all power to them but chances are there are plenty of people around who've had botox and fillers who, in most peoples eyes, look really good, fresh faced etc. Its not always that blatently obvious.

Pickles101 Fri 12-Apr-13 16:01:39

YANBU. Personally I think it's really noticeable - whether it's subtle or plastic less subtle

acceptableinthe80s Fri 12-Apr-13 16:02:01

Yanbu. Looks awful especially on actors. Just do what I do and grow a bloody fringe, hides a multitude of sins. Alternatively out on a bit of weight, my rem slightly chubby dad is 67 and does'nt have a single wrinkle.

KareninsGirl Fri 12-Apr-13 16:06:41

It's the shiny forehead that gives it away, if not the plumped up cheekbones or bloated lips. Don't get me started on the lack of facial expression.

Lots of famous people have it done and look awful (as posted up thread as an example: kylie). Yet they have the money to employ the best surgeons. Eventually, fresh faced always seems to become plastic (not so) fantastic.

I just don't understand it, really. What has happened to society to make people think this looks better than a naturally aged complexion?

Feminine Fri 12-Apr-13 16:08:06

It nearly always looks wrong.

Faces that are supposed to have lines, always look better with them.

I know women on here love to convince themselves they have "just had a bit, you'd never know...I look rested"

TOTAL CLAPTRAP!

Anyone with it in their face over say about 35 needs to reconsider! grin

My MIL has unusual things done to her face every couple of months, she regularly travels 150 miles to see her dermatologist for some suspicious procedure. I like her very much. I wish she'd stop messing.

Sucksoutthejoy Fri 12-Apr-13 16:12:23

YABU I have Botox in my forehead and it doesn't look homogenous, plastic or slightly weird. Just erases the enormous trough I have running across my forehead otherwise. No one has ever passed comment either positive or negative tbh. I do agree that fillers are a WHOLE different story though

Branleuse Fri 12-Apr-13 16:14:56

YABU.

It looks fake if its overdone, but most people have a little to soften the frown and youd never know

poozlepants Fri 12-Apr-13 16:16:39

There is a mother at my nursery who I always felt a bit sorry for as her face was sort of strange and I wondered whether she had had a stroke or had burns or something. Turns out she has a face full of botox. It had just never crossed my mind. Admittedly I don't live somewhere posh so it's not an everyday occurance.

A lot of people, including me, think that a natural possibly wrinkled look is far better than a weird puffed-up immobile face. I also feel sad when I see young women with very odd, sore-looking plumped up lips. I don't think "society" values the fake look just because a few insecure slebs can't resist it though.

I take the point that some people will have had these things done and look great, but clearly you don't have any way of knowing which result you will get. Why risk it?

HousewifeFromHeaven Fri 12-Apr-13 16:18:15

Yabu. Better than looking like a 'bag o' spanners' grin

Charliefox Fri 12-Apr-13 16:54:53

There is a huge difference between obvious plumped up lips and cheek fillers and just a tiny touch of Botox to erase forehead lines.

lottieandmia Fri 12-Apr-13 16:56:11

You can have too much done and then it looks fake because you can tell! But in moderation people will just say 'you look well' but they won't know.

oopsadaisymaisy Fri 12-Apr-13 17:03:48

Oh no, I'm having Botox and fillets next week. I'm under no illusion that I'm probably the only person that will notice. I can't afford to go crazy so I don't suppose I ll look frozen. I'm having my elevenses done, I ve got a fringe so I'm not too bothered about my forehead. I've got really deep nose to mouth lines and I'm having fillets there. I suspect I will look vaguely but not unnaturally different. I know lots of people who have it done and if they hadn't told me I wouldn't have known. Not everyone goes over the top.

oopsadaisymaisy Fri 12-Apr-13 17:04:23

Ha ha, fillers not fillets.

Feminine Fri 12-Apr-13 17:04:42

But...there are almost no women/men over say 35, who are line-less ...so if they have been a little bit helped it will. look. odd! grin

Jestrin Fri 12-Apr-13 17:05:53

YANBU Ever since Angelina Jolie came on the scene, many actresses seem to get plumper lips and they look like ducks!

oopsadaisymaisy Fri 12-Apr-13 17:06:32

Feminine, I ll still have my wrinkly eyes and turkey neck so I'm not going to look twenty again smile

Feminine Fri 12-Apr-13 17:09:46

smile oops so why bother then?

I mean that nicely, I'm sure you look just right!

You don't have to answer...

KareninsGirl Fri 12-Apr-13 17:14:05

But whether you do it for a more subtle or obvious effect, what's the point? We are simply human beings growing older every day. Are we all destined to look like plastic dollies with shiny, taut skin and rubbery lips? How very sad and to my mind, unnatural and feeding on insecurities which have been drip fed to us by the media.

And it may well start off as being a subtle look but once you start having these procedures it generally escalates. The more you have done, the worse it looks...so you get more done. And do the wheel keeps turning.

Eat well, drink plenty of water, laugh whether possible and enjoy what you have rather than subscribe to what you're being told is the ideal by some media machine.

Rant over.

AssamAndDarjeeling Fri 12-Apr-13 17:17:17

I do think, when it comes to the face, that natural and flawed looks miles better than flawless and fiddled with.

That Botox look works much better in photos/ on fillm, though. Bet that's why so man actresses have it.

OhLori Fri 12-Apr-13 17:18:51

I think it nearly always looks weird e.g. Loose women, soap actresses, etc. Has anyone noticed Roxy (Alfie's girlfriend) recently in EastEnders? She has had so much botox she looks 18 years old, but she actually doesn't look human anymore confused. More like half china-doll, half-balloon, and she has only one facial expression, not helpful if you are an actress I would have thought. Why not go the whole hog, have a lobotomy and become a blow-up doll?

I don't think how much you spend makes much difference either. Look at Madonna's work - it looks horrible and freakish and she is a stylish multi-millionairess. Or Liza Minelli, actually scary to the point of ghoulishness.

But even if it wasn't disastrous, its still a ridiculous procedure IMO, which only those with more money than sense can indulge in: vanity gone mad.

oopsadaisymaisy Sat 13-Apr-13 09:16:48

I just want to feel a bit more confident and I'm really conscious about my deep lines. If I can do something about them then I don't see why not. I'm also having a tooth implant because I'm self conscious when I smile. I see it as a similar thing. So, why not have it done!

CarpeVinum Sat 13-Apr-13 09:26:31

KareninsGirl

Ten years ago I said much the same. At 45 and getting a horrible shock everytime I see my mum in the mirror, my views are a little less strident. People are nice about the way I look. But that matters less to me than the stomach drop first thing when all I see is knackered, no matter how well I have slept.

I'm thinking about it. And if I do it, it will be for me, for how I feel, not anybody else. So I don't really care if my face offends them.

ComeYoniWithMe Sat 13-Apr-13 09:27:02

Why does anyone wear Make up? get highlights? because you want to look better.
Don't see the difference between wearing make up and a bit of Botox.

Exactly, oopsadaisymaisy! Those-mainly celebs who end up looking waxy/eerily smooth overdo it because they want their faces to look like a totally perfect, unblemished canvas. A "light hand" from a skilled doctor administering it, will make you look like you, only fresher and LESS wrinkled, there will be some natural creases, lines left, but they will look softer and less pronounced, not scarily, fake smooth.....unless you keep going to different practitioners and getting more done.
The same with fillers-a little, skillfully injected into flattened cheekbones (face loses volume with age) or nose to mouth lines, a thinning top lip etc, does not a trout pout or Bride of Wildenstein "Pillow face" make-it's the overdoing it.

HollyBerryBush Sat 13-Apr-13 10:08:53

Well, I saw the most awful thing last night. I don't care if it makes me sound bitchy, because I am being.

Went out, bumped into a mate with some other people I didn't know. Within 30 seconds, jacket off for us to look at what can only be described a 2 water melons stuck to her shoulder blades.

They were, apparently "The best 4 and a half grand I ever spent".

I'm sure they are super, but frankly if I were going to consider surgery, I would have sorted out the face first. 20yo tits on a very lived in 50yo face, not a good combo.

>flame me<

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Sat 13-Apr-13 10:17:10

YANBU. It's a very distinct Look. And you have The Look to a greater or lesser degree, depending on how far down the Botox route you've gone. if you're new to it, then many people probably don't notice - but how many people only Botox/fill once? Hardly any. Once you pop, etc, etc...

The so more you have it, then it's to a greater degree. And then The Look becomes more and more marked. You look like someone who's had fillers or Botox or whatever. You might look 'good for your age', but you look 'good for your age' with Botox/fillers/whatever; never actually good for your age.

TheRealFellatio Sat 13-Apr-13 10:34:16

Sometimes but not always. It depends how well it is done. there are tell-tale giveaways though.

LadyMountbatten Sat 13-Apr-13 10:35:54

Tbh if i had it I wouldnt want a bloody light hand

I would want the watermelons equivalent

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Sat 13-Apr-13 10:37:21

Am loving the notion of a skilled, 'light-handed' physician. grin

I mean, I'm sure slebs, who can afford the best, use such doctors. And the first time it's done, the result is lovely. But you keep going back, topping up, and of course every day you're also getting older. And each time, the 'light hand' does its thing, you're another couple of months older, so the 'light hand' has its work that much more cut out for it.

And voila - you end up with The Look. It's unmistakable, as much as people like to delude themselves otherwise. It's not like Wildenstein went in one day and -bam- came out like that. Her face is the work of years of tweaking.

LadyMountbatten Sat 13-Apr-13 10:38:09

who cares tbh?

you dont own a house and let it age gracefully

boombangalang Sat 13-Apr-13 10:44:54

yabu - I have it done on forehead as it eases migraines. Without it I am down 3 times a month for days on end in a dark room, vomiting, in pain, unable to work and see to my children. With it I can go 3/4 months without issue, perhaps a mild headache from stress but it never gets past a mild headache.
If you go to a proper, trained nurse to have it done, not a salon, you can't even tell its been done, you do not look frozen or daft smile

YANBU. Look at the state of Madonna's face these days, she looks like the Bride of Wildenstein!

bettycocker Sat 13-Apr-13 10:53:32

I'm sure you can't notice it if it's done well. Although, last time I saw SIL, her eyebrows has mysteriously stopped moving and she had a very smooth and shiny forehead. grin

The fillers and puffy face thing looks weird. It just makes people look like they have big faces.

ComeYoniWithMe You can take make-up off at the end of the day. Once Botox is in there, it's in there for good.

MintyyAeroEgg Sat 13-Apr-13 10:55:05

Agree that at a certain stage (Olivia Newton-John, Madonna, Sarah Brightman, Lulu) botox/fillers are just plain ageing and therefore have exactly the opposite of the desired effect.

twitchycurtains Sat 13-Apr-13 10:55:15

YANBU. When watching TV I can always spot the celebs and actresses that have had work done no matter how subtle or skilled the practitioner, its so rare to see a natural/untouched (other than facials and the like) females on tv that on the rare occassion you see one it's quite exciting. Also I know quite a few 40/50 something women in real life who have had botox and fillers and you can definitely tell and although I would never be so rude to say anything they are kidding themselves if they think people think they've just had a great holiday or a really good nights sleep.

I am in mid thirties, I can see tiny lines developing around my eyes and my skin isn't as dewy as it was in my 20's, so far I am ok with that, tbh I would be too scared to get botox or fillers as I fear I would end up looking like one of the ladies I mentioned above.

Botox only lasts about 6 months, so it does wear off unfortunately as do fillers.

YABU - if it's done well nobody will notice - it's overdoing it that gives people the obvious botoxed or fillered look.

TigerSwallowtail Sat 13-Apr-13 11:02:50

Yabu, people who have had bad/too much Botox or fillers look awful but those who don't over do it or don't buy crap stuff look fine. Tbh people don't normally broadcast it so you might not know that someone has had it.

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Sat 13-Apr-13 11:02:55

Who cares...?

Well nobody cares... But the OP started a thread, and people discussed. As is the wont on discussion forums.

When I was in my mid thirties, it never entered my mind to have it done either wink

I really don't think the "ooh, I always can tell" really washes, after all you have absolutely no idea without people 'fessing up who has had it done or not.

TigerSwallowtail Sat 13-Apr-13 11:03:55

dead it wears off, it's not there for good. You may be getting mixed up with something else.

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Sat 13-Apr-13 11:06:26

Everyone who's had it firmly believes they fall into the 'light-hand', unnoticeable camp..

And yet...

lydiamama Sat 13-Apr-13 11:06:34

I completely agree, I have seen in some few people, I actually feel scare of them as they seem not to have any expression on their eyes and frow at all, and it is very weird indeed. I am sure it is not noticeable for most people who have it done, but if you overdo it it is just plain horrible IMHO.

I mentioned that Tiger, but lets not stop a lack of knowledge/experience stop any posting their illconsidered viewpoint, eh? It simply wouldn't be AIBU wink

Actually Don, I don't believe that's true. Plenty of "normal" women have it done and you're basing your view on slebville.

FreudiansSlipper Sat 13-Apr-13 11:14:27

I have a few friends who are convinced that they look good and no one can see the difference just they look a little fresher

mmm well have to say other can see the difference and it is not what I would call a fresher look but if they are happier it has done the job but how long can it make you feel better about yourself

I am very tempted to have my eyelids done

twitchycurtains Sat 13-Apr-13 11:20:33

When your forehead is frozen, your face is devoid of any natural expression and you suddenly have a pair of cheekbones that seem to have suddenly sprouted overnight - you can tell.. trust.

They don't have to tell me or anyone else, why would they?, folk can do whatever they like to their faces or any other part of their body as they wish, nobody but the most nosiest or rudest would openly ask but your deluded kidding yourself if you think another woman can't tell.

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Sat 13-Apr-13 11:20:46

How do you know what I'm basing my view on, Miss?

So you do or don't think you fall into the unnoticeable camp?

Mumsyblouse Sat 13-Apr-13 11:22:28

The best plastic surgery I have seen is eyebags, you end up with a normal face but just without the droopy eyebags (I have a friend who did this for her 40th and it looks great).

The worst are the Botox, fillers, peels combo, I have a distant cousin who visited for the first time in ages a while back and we were literally all mesmerised by her weird plastic waxy skin. It was not wrinkly, it was lovely and smooth, but it was weird, like looking at a gone-wrong doll. Now it has worn off she looks much nicer and not old at all, she is 35ish and it is such a mistake at this age.

Mumsyblouse Sat 13-Apr-13 11:23:41

Mind you, it did give us all something to talk about, I couldn't actually concentrate on what she was saying, the waxy sheen was just mesmerising.

The thing is, if it wears off after 6 months then you're going to keep getting it done aren't you. (Metaphorical you). And the first couple of times it's done then you just look a little better and younger and nobody notices. But then after the third, fourth, fifth...time then you start to develop The Look. But of course you convince yourself that nobody notices, even though most people do notice The Look. So in a way it's kind of defeats the object of having it done. You either leave your wrinkles alone and people notice you getting older and more haggard, or you have it done and develop The Look, you are terribly smooth but people notice how plastic you're starting to look.

DonDrapersAltrEgoBigglesDraper Sat 13-Apr-13 11:27:47

Exactly, because each time it's done, it's an incremental increase to you. But to everyone else, it's over-done and The Look is thus created. And you're getting older each time, so it's compounded by that as well.

BinksToEnlightenment Sat 13-Apr-13 11:31:42

I haven't had it yet, but I will in time. So what if it occasionally doesn't look completely natural. Neither does my eyeliner or foundation or lipstick. Who gives a Clive Crap.

It wears off in any case. If only there was permanent botox!

TigerSwallowtail Sat 13-Apr-13 11:33:19

I recently found out that a couple of people I know have it done. I would honestly never have guessed. They have lovely skin and look natural too, I was quite shocked when I found out.

theodorakisses Sat 13-Apr-13 11:34:33

well if it makes you feel better to judge others, go ahead. I actually look at people who look haggard and older than they should and think "you should get a bit of botox, you wouldn't look so old and knackered".

MintyyAeroEgg Sat 13-Apr-13 11:39:12

I don't think anyone is judging are they? Just saying that they can often tell ...

Brices Sat 13-Apr-13 11:41:06

I consider Botox in the same way as covering up grey hair with hair colour. People can tell or not I've had it done, don't care I like it

stopgap Sat 13-Apr-13 12:41:03

It always looks fake. I'm not saying it always looks bad, but you can always tell. My section of NYC is overrun with women in their thirties and up with plastic surgery, some look bad, others refreshed, but they're fooling no-one (and I suspect fooling people isn't the main objective, anyway, but to feel good about themselves).

Wheredidmyyouthgo Sat 13-Apr-13 12:51:00

I have Botox and I like it very much. I have facial deformity on one side, so doubtless look bloody awful the entire time anyway, however.... the Botox does make me feel a little more confident about myself, which is important to me, as I've spent a lifetime feeling bad about my face! Each to their own on this type of thing I think. I read things where people say 'I would never have plastic surgery'. And I think 'you would if you looked like me'. It's easier to say that when you're lovely looking to start with! smile

noddyholder Sat 13-Apr-13 13:01:19

No one has ever commented on mine and my mates are cheeky buggers! Even my own mum and sister thought I was joking Mine looks like I did 15 yrs ago but I can still move. I have left it 6 months and I do look more knackered so I am calling my doc Monday so that I can be make up free all summer

LadyMountbatten Sat 13-Apr-13 13:05:51

Lol at theodor

Don - slebsville probably.

At the moment it's worn off and my 11s are back, so noticeable, yes grin

lottieandmia Sat 13-Apr-13 13:25:36

Fillers can look awful - Barry Manilow???? His cheeks are unbelievable. And lately Simon Cowell has also had too many fillers.

Moderation is definitely key.

noddyholder Sat 13-Apr-13 13:28:04

I am scared of fillers and peels not sure why! Don't like the idea of fillers as they alter the structure whereas botox just smooths.

CelticPixie Sat 13-Apr-13 13:31:42

YANBU. What's wrong with growing old gracefully? If you look after your skin when your younger you shouldn't get wrinkles until your well into your 40's anyway. Moisturise, don't smoke, stay safe in the sun and drink in moderation is the key IMO.

Speaking of Botox and filers though, who else thinks Simon Cowell looks terrible these days? He looks like he's got a shellfish allergy or something, his face is so swollen.

ModernToss Sat 13-Apr-13 13:43:09

There definitely is The Look.

I was at an art exhibition a while ago, lots of very wealthy people there (I basically sneaked in), and just about every woman had The Look. It was weird - they were all similar, as if they were somehow related.

CelticPixie Sat 13-Apr-13 13:48:09

One of the worst offenders is Michelle Collins from Corrie. Her face barely moved and looks as though its been "stretched". It doesn't fit with her character at all, as if a woman who runs a back street boozer in Manchester would be able to afford the kind of "works" she's obviously had done.

LadyMountbatten Sat 13-Apr-13 13:51:31

celtic
but that is shitting boring

bunnymother Sat 13-Apr-13 13:56:14

One of my good friends had Botox and lip filler, from a Harley St practice. I am pretty good at spotting "work" but hers was so subtle (eg forehead still moved, lips not overly full), I was genuinely shocked when she told me. I plan on getting Botox soon, just on my 11's, but won't tell eagle eyed DH and will use whether he can spot it as the measure of whether such things really are obvious.

Mumsyblouse Sat 13-Apr-13 14:11:24

Patsy Kensit is another one who has the Look. But she still works as an actress despite the limited facial movement I find it intriguing more than think it looks bad, but you can't help noticing it.

bishboschone Sat 13-Apr-13 14:13:39

I honestly think it looks awful. There is a programme on called stretch lift and something or other. It's about a cosmetic surgeon who does fillers and Botox Etc. I watch it with my mouth open. Is it just me who think they look awful. I just don't get it.

bishboschone Sat 13-Apr-13 14:15:03

I don't watch soaps and haven't seen Michelle Collins for years but in Enders she used to have a really lined face years ago. Has it gone now?

bishboschone Sat 13-Apr-13 14:16:02

And Simon Cowell.. He used to be so handsome.. He has pillow face now .. Not good!! Also did you see axel rose the other day?? Dear oh dear !

LessMissAbs Sat 13-Apr-13 14:18:02

I'm guessing OP then, you wouldn't spot the people with botox or fillers who do look good and natural with them?

Bit like you can't say someone looks good for their age or not, unless you know their actual age...

noddyholder Sat 13-Apr-13 14:18:20

All those ones are fillers botox is not noticeable if done lightly. I agree fillers are as the are puffy

TheCatInTheHairnet Sat 13-Apr-13 14:23:21

Here it's very common, but I don't think if most of my friends hadn't told me, I would have realised. It kind of goes with the territory that women who take their health and nutrition very seriously are going to look good for their age. The Botox and the fillers just help that along.

MarshaBrady Sat 13-Apr-13 14:27:11

I don't think the puffy / filler hamster look is ever good.

Botox can be ok, not too much. But then people have to tell you they've done it, which might not happen.

binger Sat 13-Apr-13 14:28:27

I'm getting it very soon, so excited. I'm 43 and not really wrinkly but face has definitely drooped. Stuff growing old gracefully, why would I want to do that?

noddyholder Sat 13-Apr-13 14:34:47

Botox only good on dynamic lines. My mate wanted it she is very lined from sun and I went with her to consultation. The doc said it would do nothing for those lines. then he looked at me and said I was ideal candidate! I am completely unlined from eyebrows down and skin qute plump but forehead terrible. He said he knew straight away I had not worn my glasses when younger and had caused lines through squinting to read things. True! So I ad it instead of her and only have half a vial at a time and it is very subtle and just works! If you have sun damage he recommended something else called fraxil i think

I know one person who has amazing Botox. She's 40 or so but looks 10 years younger & I'd never have known if she hadn't (gleefully!) said.

CarpeVinum Mon 15-Apr-13 15:23:17

It's not like Wildenstein went in one day and -bam- came out like that. Her face is the work of years of tweaking.

It took time, but she actually went in from the start wanting to made "like a cat". As in look feline. For her husband who was going off her, but liked cats. He left anyway. She carried on. He came back.

So I don't think she's the best example.

I think the issue with many female celebrities is that they are

a) held to standard normal women aren't

b) are surrounded by yes people who won't say "ermmmm...time to lay off"

c) often serviced by surgeons whose own sense of asthetics have been warped by their clientele being of a specific demographic.

There is a surgoen near me in Milan whose work has been on telly. Her "faces" are amazing. You still look 45/55 whichever you are, but a well rested 45/55 year old.

<squirrels away more cash towards the "less knackered looking" fund>

She is very expensive though. So by the time I have enough for botox I'll probably need a steel girder reinforced facelift.

handcream Mon 15-Apr-13 15:28:14

You would be surprised how many people who have it - and you would never know.

I have told a couple of people and one nit wit said I didnt need it (its because its in there already!!)

KellyElly Mon 15-Apr-13 15:47:47

I think if it's done well it isn't noticeable at first. After years of Botox it becomes more and more noticable. At first people look quite fresh faced. They tend to be the 'less if more' school of baby botoxers though.

Bartlebee Tue 16-Apr-13 18:54:33

I have Botox, not one of my mates have noticed & they are all the type that wouldn't hesitate to ask.

They have all asked me what cleanser/moisturiser I use though!

I don't look frozen, far from it. I look fresh and not cross.

OhLori Tue 16-Apr-13 19:24:35

I've noticed that all a lot of middle-aged female presenters have now completely disappeared from our screen. Judy of Richard and Judy, for example, and others.

Today I watched a bit of Loose Women. There is a new woman in the Chair. She's had so much botox she looks 12 when she must be in her 30s. I found it completely embarrassing and very strange. In my book, lines show your age, show you've lived, and show your maturity - all positive things in my view. Since nobody else really cares (so what if you're friends can guess or not) I think a lot of botox is a form of competitiveness.

bishboschone Tue 16-Apr-13 23:11:47

But where does it end? If you start and it looks natural then you have to keep going forever surely? Then as you age it doesn't work as well as you end up looking like that . Slippery slope IMO .

joanofarchitrave Tue 16-Apr-13 23:27:17

A friend of mine had a bit of Botox a few years ago. I would never have noticed, but I did notice a bit when she stopped.

It's one of those things I find it hard to get very het up about. I do think that most people who have a lot of work done look plain awful, but frankly there were cries of horror on here when the Rolling Stones had lots of publicity shots all over the place for a new tour or something recently. So that does suggest that we as a society are becoming unused to seeing any naturally ageing faces at all in the public eye. That's not great.

ComposHat Tue 16-Apr-13 23:42:29

Looks dreadful and downright odd.

Botox/Filler addicts - other people always notice, they are often too polite to say anything about it.

You know that 'oooh I'd never have guessed' thing they do? That's politeness too.

OhLori Wed 17-Apr-13 10:32:59

I think the reason I do get a bit het up about it is much better put by Suzanne Moore.

As she says - every woman who has surgery done claims they are doing it for themselves, their self-worth residing in a body to be used by others. If cutting yourself up as "empowerment" seems a little too much, then just inject yourself with poisonous botox.

(This was in Suzanne Moore's article "Seeing red: the Power of Female Anger where she mentioned the current female Brazilian Transexual body ideal).

On a purely practical point - whoever made the interesting point that it begins to look bad, the longer you do it - that may explain Cowell, Madonna's, Roxy (Eastenders) increasingly strange botox looks with the big puffy faces. But then again, if you start it, you have to keep it up. Good luck with that grin.

navada Wed 17-Apr-13 10:50:27

Two words - Barry Manilow.

wordfactory Wed 17-Apr-13 11:42:19

I always know when someone's had it done.

I don't care...and I pretend I don't notice.

Even the light hand is noticible. But does that matter? Surely you want people to notice? Isn't that the point?

A bit like my hair. Yes, it's done by Big Name Hairdresser. Yes, it's subtle and meant to look natural...but would you know I colour it? Of course you bloody would!

LaMaga Wed 17-Apr-13 11:44:48

Yes they do. But they think they don't or that other people do not notice.

aldiwhore Wed 17-Apr-13 11:49:58

One of my friends who's had it, has had it done well (botox and filler) and she can still frown, her face is full of expression and she looks exactly how I always picture in my mind's eye - which is 15 years younger than she is now - but she does look a bit odd without her glowy makeup (she is the first to admit it) and won't be getting it topped up. She has a very tiny amount, and it was done by a very good practitioner. Saying that, I still wouldn't have the procedure, the cost is too great.

Another mate has become a little addicted and is starting to look ridiculus. She has virtually no movement in her face at all, is VERY shiny, and though it has smoothed out the wrinkles she loathed most it draws attention to the ones no one would ever have noticed before. She's a lovely person, beautiful looking, but is so addicted to botox, filler, fake tan etc that she has gone beyond looking good. It's a real shame actually, because she's turning herself into this weird looking person with no visible personality... but it's her choice. She knows my opinion and doesn't give a shit, which is her absolute right.

I would never say never to procedures that could refresh me, if I had the money, but I am very wary of how addictive they can be and how they can sometime draw attention to otherwise perfectly fine areas!

I would never get Botox though.

handcream Wed 17-Apr-13 12:04:42

Word - I am not sure you can always tell. I dont have a scrap of grey, people (even hairdressers) think I have it coloured. I dont, I am just lucky, its in the genes!

Devasmum Thu 23-May-13 21:29:35

I think some people get addicted and start to look weird. Like everything else in life a little of what you fancy does you good. I'm 40 and I've had a bit done: 2 bits of botox in lines between my eyebrows and my crows feet. I've also had fillers in my mouth to nose lines. I love it when I go visit my sisters, 1 is older and 2 are younger (by 2 and 5 yrs) and people think I am the youngest! I've recently had 2 dermal roller sessions and waiting for my third. Now that is a totally natural looking option and gives your skin a real glow and boost to volume. Have also used Obagi and ZO prescription creams- I find them sooo much more effective than top end dept store ranges. My Aesthetic Dr always goes on about SPFs even in winter, so i put those on as my primer. As you can read I'm a fan of "non-surgical" options, however my work colleagues always chant- "I don't know why you have anything done cause you look great as it is", but that's just it, it's because I do!. A reality check here though- I'm no beauty queen, I suffered a lot with acne as a teenager, thankfully I didnt scar. Maybe this is where my insecurities lie. I'm happy now, successful job, great family life and am financially comfortable and having "stuff done" makes me feel better. If you're in the chester/wrexham area I'd really recommend Dr Kenningham- google her name. X

SoleSource Thu 23-May-13 21:35:27

Yabu

It is not always noticible

Wish I could afford them

I certainly have the courage

SoleSource Thu 23-May-13 21:37:17

I'm 39 no grey either

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