to want them to go shove their Avon catalogue

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At 9'o'clock tonight we got a knock on the door from a man asking for the Avon catalogue that was posted through our door.
(Junk that gets posted through gets put straight on the kindling pile for our log burner)
He was very pleasant and I was polite and said that sorry I couldn't find it, I did look but presumed the OH had chucked it.

We frequently get people knocking on our door (at least once a week) at all hours asking for the damn Avon catalogue back - if its that precious, stop posting it through the door.
We have never bought anything from Avon, and never will, and I'm sick of having to essentially babysit a brochure for them.

I don't really mind junk mail, as such, as - like I say - it just provides us with stuff to burn but I really hate people coming to the door (except the postman - he sometimes brings nice things!) not least because it makes the dog go mental and really distrupts the evening.

TBH, I know I'm being unreasonable by disliking it so much (and trust me, I'd never actually say anything to them) but am interested to see if it bothers anyone else.

Note: I am thinking of investing a "No junk mail" sign, though I doubt this will stop them...

Could you have told the man you don't want the Avon catalogue?

Put it on the doorstep?

HollyBerryBush Thu 11-Apr-13 21:40:33

Get a no junk mail sign. The only people that can't read them are estate agents.

I always lob catalogues back on the step - not my fault if its early and it rains etc - but Avon, Betterware and the like are just people trying to earn a living. They have to pay for those catalogues.

Euphemia Thu 11-Apr-13 21:42:12

I hate people coming to the door, but I do think YABa bit U. Some poor sod's just trying to make a bit of money.

Could you just keep the brochure by the front door? I used to do that with the shitey Bettaware catalogue - it never got opened!

kinkyfuckery Thu 11-Apr-13 21:43:49

Did you tell him you weren't interested and ask him not to give you another?

You can just leave it on your doorstep in a foodbag or something to protect from the weather.

mrsjay Thu 11-Apr-13 21:43:54

just put the avon book back on the doorstep that is what i used to do with Avon/betterware/kleeneze <rolls eys> this was after i had said i didnt want them so i just put them back outside so whent hey came to collect it was either still there or not, wasn't my problem really

OneNightYoni Thu 11-Apr-13 21:44:54

Once I had someone ask for their Avon catalogue back, I had no clue where it was and she told me I would have to pay for it then, I have never laughed so much in my life before I told her to fuck off.

All the Betterware, Kleeneze and the like that get shoved through my door now just get put back on the doorstep.

purrpurr Thu 11-Apr-13 21:45:28

I was an Avon person for about three weeks (so one sales cycle in Avon land) and I found out that as an Avon bod you have to buy your catalogues, so if people chuck 'em, they're instantly costing you money, but that you couldn't really blame people for that - it's glossy, nicely manufactured junk mail for people who don't want to buy Avon stuff, why should they have to put it in a safe place til you come back for it? They didn't ask for it. Besides which, Avon has a WEBSITE. I do NOT understand the way some firms refuse to modernise.

WorraLiberty Thu 11-Apr-13 21:45:42

I just put them straight back out on the doorstep and if I do see the person, I ask them not to post their books through again.

I wouldn't throw them away because I think it costs them money and to be fair, they're only trying to earn themselves a few quid.

I think the no junk mail sign is the way to go.

purrpurr Thu 11-Apr-13 21:46:52

Oh, when I (briefly) had my Avon route, I spoke to people as I dropped off books, and those that weren't interested, I crossed off my list. You could put a note on the catalogue stating lack of interest. It saves them effort and the cost of a book.

mrsjay Thu 11-Apr-13 21:48:15

I wouldnt throw them away the people do need to buy them and replace them my friend has an avon facebook page not that im on it but least she doesnt need to replace books

RevoltingPeasant Thu 11-Apr-13 21:48:18

See, I used to do that with Betterware etc and they just left it there. I chuck it now, I'm afraid.....

You're right, 'no junk mail' signs don't work. You should try one that says,

Shove yer fuckin Avon catalogue

All the most genteel homes have them.

WorraLiberty Thu 11-Apr-13 21:49:04

That's a really good idea purr, I hadn't thought of that.

I think I'll stick a little post-it note on any future books I get through my door.

tunnocksteacake Thu 11-Apr-13 21:49:31

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Charity bags are great for dustbin liners.

tunnocksteacake Thu 11-Apr-13 21:51:29

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I get the money thing, that's why I don't say anything. But if I leave it on the doorstep is stays there for days getting dirty and nasty and our step is really narrow so you have to step over it. I have asked several times for them to stop but the reps seem to change every few weeks and most don't listen.

Oh I know what you mean tunnocks. They say they will collect empty bags but they don't. We get at least 2 a week.

MsVestibule Thu 11-Apr-13 21:54:41

I'm an Avon rep, and would never knock on a door at 9pm! Are you sure you're getting them every week? Avon works on a 3 week sale cycle, so that would indicate you have 3 reps in your area, which really shouldn't be happening.

But to answer your last question - when I had a 'proper job' as a bank manager, receiving catalogues through the door never bothered me because I realised they were doing a job that they probably weren't wild about doing, to earn (literally) a few pounds a month. Just wrap the thing in an old carrier bag and leave it on your doorstep on the day they've asked you to. Then they won't have to disturb your evening.

Ive had them send just their children round. A group of boys that couldn't be any older than 10...

I always feel guilty but I've spent the best part of the year leaving it out for them and they still knock - I guess they don't see them

MsVestibule Thu 11-Apr-13 22:00:05

I think I'll stick a little post-it note on any future books I get through my door. Sorry if I'm stating the obvious, but make sure you put your address on the post it note! I've had people request this of me, but when I get home and I'm going through them, I have no idea who wrote it.

God, can't wait to get a proper job again.

WeAreEternal Thu 11-Apr-13 22:01:16

I have a good friend that does Avon, so if I want anything I just ask her to order it for me. (On the rare occasion)

There are two people who do Avon around my area, both claim this is their 'patch'.

The first few times I got the books I stuck a note in saying 'no thank you I'm no interested, I order my Avon through a friend, please don't deliver any more books here' and I would leave the books on the step outside my porch.

Avon woman 1 refused to pick the book up and would knock anyway asking for my Avon order, no matter how many times I told her I wasn't interested she still continues to deliver books and knock to collect them.
If I ignore her and she will just come back another time.

Avon woman 2 demanded to know who I was ordering from, and told me that I wasn't allowed to place Avon orders through someone else as I was on her patch she has to handle my order, that's apparently in the Avon rules or some nonsense.
I'm sure you can guess where I told her to go.

MsVestibule Thu 11-Apr-13 22:02:43

In that case Horcrux, the Avon reps in your area are clearly not as professional as me wink. I go round on the day I say I will and always check the doorstep before knocking <prim emoticon>.

Maggie111 Thu 11-Apr-13 22:05:21

Ooh I really hate the Avon catalogue! You're so right - don't push it through the door if you think you should get it back! Eff off!!!


MsVestibule - Good to know! Is it profitable? I looked at it once but seemed a lot of work for not a lot of return dealing with grumpy people like me for a start

We've had dozens of catalogues & literally hundred of charity bags over the past few years. I used to be really good & put them out on the correct day in a bag. NEVER did any of them get picked up, they just got all wet & manky on my doorstep. I keep them until the due date & if no-one comes, which they never have - straight in the bin. Sorry but if they are that expensive they should pick them up on the correct day, or not leave them in the first place.

ChippingInLovesSpring Thu 11-Apr-13 22:10:41

YANBU - you have told them you aren't interested, they shouldn't be bothering you, let alone at 9pm. I'd have told them in no uncertain terms not to put another catalogue through my door! Irony is, no one does it around here and I don't order enough to warrant the nearest rep dropping a catalogue off <clearly as she stopped when I didn't order much!>

ChippingInLovesSpring Thu 11-Apr-13 22:12:30

Maggie you have to get it back really or you'd go broke! It has to do about 3 'sets' of houses (or did a million years ago when I did it for a short while). I think the first time it's fair enough, but once you have said you aren't interested then it's bloody rude to keep putting it through the door.

HoneyDragon Thu 11-Apr-13 22:12:51

This is why I am a liked Avon lady. I deliver the book. It has all my details in. When I'm collecting and absolute final cut off ordering date.
I collect, I never knock or bother or ask for my books returned if they aren't out.

People who forget either pop it through my door or email me. smile

I'd be furious if someone knocked on my door at 9pm for a fecking catalogue angry

AtrociousYoni Thu 11-Apr-13 22:13:31

It seems like such an old fashioned business model. They are just making money off their sales people forcing them to buy catalogues that can be viewed for free online.

I love Avon! I used to be a rep too when my first dd was a baby. I used to make about £50 a month which was a godsend at the time.

Can you phone the head office and be taken off a distribution list or something? She will have to pay for them so try to leave them out, but do have a word if its annoying you.

Or can you stick a sign on the door saying NO AVON!!!!

ChippingInLovesSpring Thu 11-Apr-13 22:15:41

Horcrux - a million years ago when we did it, we made a bit of money... but we were young & had the energy to be faffing with it for a bit of extra money - but it was hard work, tedious and not the best way of making extra money. I guess it would be different if you either had a lot of friends/family ordering stuff or lived somewhere that was the right demographic for it.

MsVestibule Thu 11-Apr-13 22:19:28

Is it profitable? Is it fuck! To begin with, it was the most soul destroying job I've ever done. While I was building up my 'business' I was earning less than £2 an hour, but now I have about 20 regulars, I make about £50 every 6 weeks - probably NMW. I know it's peanuts, but it pays for a caravan holiday once a year.

If I put more effort in, I could make a bit more, but not much. I keep up to 25% of the sale price, but when you consider I have to deliver a catalogue, collect it, check the form is filled in correctly, order it, sort it out when it's delivered, then deliver it back to the customer, the £2.50 you earn on a £10 order, less the cost of the books... well, I'm not planning on upgrading my holiday to Necker Island any time soon grin.

I do understand why people are pissed off, especially when the reps are unprofessional, but most of us are just trying to earn a pretty small amount of cash in a job that probably wouldn't be their first (or second, or third) choice.

SophiaTheFirst Thu 11-Apr-13 22:21:24

I don't mind Avon, they never seem to knock for their catalogue, but the local Kleeneze man is a real git.

Last time I actually remembered to leave it out for him to collect, hoping to avoid a door knock from him because he is so grumpy. It rained, he knocked on the door to ask why I'd left it out in the rain, it was in the little plastic bag FFS, it says on it 'please leave outside'.
You. Just. Can't. Win.

WorraLiberty Thu 11-Apr-13 22:25:13

Thanks MrsV, good point about the address.

fairylightsinthespring Thu 11-Apr-13 22:26:28

I really don't get why companies like this keep going the way they do though - with t'internet which really IS pretty all-pervasive, it just makes no sense. In decades past, with no internet and lots more people home during the day, door-to-door was a sensible way to reach everyone who might not go to a store. Now though, with so many homes empty 8-6, really what is the point? I put the catalogues back out the minute I find them on the mat and then throw them away when they are still there two weeks later.

DeskPlanner Thu 11-Apr-13 22:30:09

I do get the point, that people are paying for these catalogs.But I hate having things left on my doorstep for days till there collected and I don't want to spoil the lovely look of my front door with a note asking for them not to be delivered.--vain front door--

Sneezingwakestheyoni Thu 11-Apr-13 22:35:30

YANBU. I used to get them through and twice I told the woman that I didn't want them anymore and would she mind not leaving them as I don't buy from Avon. She still kept leaving them so I binned them and stopped answering the door to her. I felt bad that she was wasting her money on the booklets but that became her choice after I told her twice.

As an aside, does anyone really buy from Avon anymore unless its someone they know like at work or family? It seems so outdated.

I don't like buying at the door, whether it's through catalogues or otherwise. It wouldn't actually ever occur to me to buy anything. Ill get it at boots or online!

BenjaminButton172 Thu 11-Apr-13 23:10:53

My Avon lady is lovely. She posts the book & then i email her my order and the book gets binned.

She doesnt give a book to anyone who doesnt want one.

Thats the best way to do it. Why waste time and money giving a book to people who dont want one.

I have a No Junk Mail sticker on my door.

I still get tons of junk mail <<sigh>>

MidniteScribbler Fri 12-Apr-13 05:13:00

I'll ask politely once for them not to leave the books, but if they persist it goes in the bin. I'm not cluttering up my doorstep with junk. I have an "No Junk Mail" sticker on my mailbox, but they seem to think that because they leave it on the doorstep it is ok. One actually argued with me "Oh, this isn't junk mail! It's a catalog." confused

whiteflame Fri 12-Apr-13 06:13:22

I come from a country with mailboxes at the end of drives, and so this type of "wanting a catalouge back" stuff hasn't really taken off there. Thank goodness.

I have some sympathy with the reps having to pay for the catalouges. But this sympathy is what the company is banking on to make people give the catalouges back. It's a bit like tipping in places that pay below the minimum wage - why should you pick up the slack for the company because you feel bad? Not totally sure what my point is, other than these company models annoy me a lot.

Put a note on the door saying "no catalouges - they will NOT BE RETURNED". Then, the first one you get from each company, put it outside with a note on, saying "no more catalouges, next one goes in the bin <address>". If they keep coming then bin them. If reps are going to behave like arses (and obviously most of them don't) then they can't expect cooperation.

TheNebulousBoojum Fri 12-Apr-13 06:40:41

I used to get all 3 catalogues; Betterware, Kleeneez and Avon. Plus around 3 charity sacks a week.
I use the post-it note and tell them that next time the catalogue will be in my recycling bin, which is next to the front door. It's a mixed plastics/paper wheeliebin, I've never seen anyone attempt to retrieve a catalogue.
The irritating thing is the repetition needed due to the fast changeover of reps, ours are polite and non-confrontational.
I have a small sign saying No Junk Mail, makes little difference.
I use the charity sacks for binliners, I take things to the shops instead.

The Avon catalogue gets on my tats too quite frankly. Last time I put it back out on my doorstep with a note saying please stop posting them through my doir, not interested, thank you. Haven't had one for 6 months. She will probably try again soon.

The Betaware guy, I ran down the drive and gave him back the catalogue saying no thanks and he got really arsey.

Theicingontop Fri 12-Apr-13 07:45:37

As soon as I get these bloody things, kleeneeze, avon, betterware - They go straight on the doorstep. In fact, once a lady posted one through and I opened the door whilst she was walking away and gave it back to her.

Must have about three representatives for each brochure along my road.

Had one lady complain to me that her brochure was wet hmm

Jestrin Fri 12-Apr-13 07:48:00

YABU. Put the catalogue on the doorstep in a clear sandwich bag with a note that says 'no thank you' . He can just pick it up and go on his way without disturbing you.

*door, not doir!

Sokmonsta Fri 12-Apr-13 07:58:21

What I don't get is why they only come out in the summer months round here. I get that most of them probably don't like doing the rounds in the cold/wet. But still, hardly profitable.

We've had people come from quite a way to leave us various catalogues - completely different area code on phone number and I did wonder if they were trying to poach someone else's round as in one week two different people delivered the same catalogue.

I've also given catalogues back as soon as they arrive if I can. One man got really funny about it, insisting I keep it until collection day. He didn't collect it, it went in the bin and when he did turn up, and get quite confrontational, I told him politely where to go and if he continued I'd report him to the company for intimidation and harassment. Needless to say I haven't seen him or his catalogues since.

Ragwort Fri 12-Apr-13 08:07:17

My favourite lipstick came from Avon & was then discontinued. No one at Head Office could give me any advice as to what was a reasonable replacement, their replies just said 'order what you like as everything can be returned'. To me that is NOT good customer service, I know the reps would have had to have the time & trouble of ordering & then refunding me. Someone must have been able to do a colour match.

<off topic but still very disappointed at never replacing lipstick> grin.

Here's a lovely story about my local bettaware man... Some months ago he must have pushed one of his catalogue a through my door. In ever really look too closely at junk mail, so it probably went straight into recycling bin. For about four weeks he used to come about twice a week (always in my working hours, so I never actually met him) and leave a lovely printed note saying he wants his catalogue back... The note had a picture of an axe on itshock

HappyMummyOfOne Fri 12-Apr-13 08:49:01

Detest Kleeneze and Betterware, over priced and i'd rather buy from a store. Catalogues rarely collected so just get wet.

Thankfully they seemed to have died off in the last year. Forums suggested people do this sort of thing to bump up hours for WTC but HMRC are now stricter re SE people so its not the easy option anymore.

TheNebulousBoojum Fri 12-Apr-13 08:51:37

That's why I put it in the recycle bin by the door, they can have it back, and dry too.
They just have to go through the junkmail, cans, newspapers, bottles and glass to find it. Then tidy up the mess.
No one has chosen that option yet.

NumericalMum Fri 12-Apr-13 09:24:32

I can't stand these and any of those party things either. It is always someone trying to fleece money off their friends using guilt tactics, especially when it is someone doing it as a hobby when they are SAHMs while I trek off to work every day to earn money. Either get an evening job in tesco or don't but don't make me spend money via a guilt trip!

Yanbu in the fact 9pm is too late, but yabu in the fact that it is just as easy to slip it in a sandwich bag and leave outside for collection. Some people make money doing this, and they have to pay for the catalogues they give out so it might be fairer to put a note in with it saying you are not interested in purchasing from them.

MissFredi Mon 22-Apr-13 14:56:08

I am an Avon rep and I don't think yabu at all! 9pm is ridiculous. When it's winter I feel bad doing it in the dark even if its only 5pm, purely because they can't see me.

Although tbh if someone chucks it away I don't really mind. I ask them on a post it to leave it out and if they don't I assume they're not interested whatsoever so fair dos to them.

Also that axe on the note thing is creeeeepyshock

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