riots over margaret thachers death!

(79 Posts)
x2boys Wed 10-Apr-13 10:10:05

AIBU to be thinking if you were not even alive when margaret thatcher was in power why would you be partying over an old womens death?Yes I realise people have very strong feelings over her alleged legacy, but Labour was in power for nearly fourteen years and did nt right her alleged wrongs, its my personal opinon that the Blair/Brown government did far more damage to communities then maggie ever did but thats just a personal opinion.

extracrunchy Wed 10-Apr-13 10:11:22

Agreed. It's a bandwagon lots of people (who probably never even bothered to vote) are getting a kick out of jumping on.

nokidshere Wed 10-Apr-13 10:13:06

As I said yesterday, it doesn't matter if you were alive or not, if you agreed with her or not - anyone who thinks they have the right to destroy property and put innocent people in hospital to right their percieved wrongs are simply mindless thugs.

edwardsmum11 Wed 10-Apr-13 10:13:48

Just gonna cost most money for taxpayers and make country poorer. Seems idiotic andunlikely to make her come back to apologise...

ReturnOfEmeraldGreen Wed 10-Apr-13 10:22:55

??? confused

wibblyjelly Wed 10-Apr-13 10:24:10

Since her death, I've been shocked at the way some people are behaving. Did you know that 'ding dong the witch is dead' is number 2 in the charts at the moment? I'm disgusted to be honest sad

limitedperiodonly Wed 10-Apr-13 10:25:05

Calm down OP. There hasn't been any rioting, has there?

nokidshere Wed 10-Apr-13 10:30:18

Yes there has limited - not only has there been damage to property but more than one person is in hospital after being injured by these yobs!

Nerfmother Wed 10-Apr-13 10:32:53

Totally agree. The time to celebrate (if you really feel the need) was when she lost power. Its grim to celebrate her death.

x2boys Wed 10-Apr-13 10:33:56

No rioting yet but i heard [ actually i read in the paper] two twenty yr old were arrested fort looting after a death party, and there are apparent concerns over her funeral with remarks being made such as this will be the best party since the poll tax riots. I was five when she came into power and sixteen when she left downing street so her policies did not affect me directly just a little concerned i suppose after the riots of a couple of summers ago and how quickly they took hold of the country.

nokidshere Wed 10-Apr-13 10:38:01

x2boys there was rioting in Bristol and Liverpool as well as minor stuff elsewhere. A policeman is in critical condition and another person seriously injured.

nokidshere Wed 10-Apr-13 10:38:34

* has been - not there

maleview70 Wed 10-Apr-13 10:40:20

Rioters will always find an excuse to riot

On the other side the mail had 16 pages of thatcher yesterday!

16 pages.....

She was a prime minister for gods sake not the queen!

Is all this just because we won a war we were always going to win?

If it hadn't been for the Falklands she wouldn't have got past 1983.

limitedperiodonly Wed 10-Apr-13 10:42:02

No, nokidshere there haven't been riots. As you say, there has been damage to property and arrests for opportunistic looting - two in Brixton, last time I checked.

I'm not saying that's right. I'm saying it's not a riot.

nokidshere Wed 10-Apr-13 10:44:55

limited large groups of people throwing missiles and paint bombs at shops and buildings, looting and setting fires while dancing around singing the witch is dead is rioting as far as I am concerned ... not to mention personal injury to non rioters.

The images on our local news station were clear enough to see!

x2boys Wed 10-Apr-13 10:47:52

I heard rumours there were going to be riots but now they have been confirmed thankyou nokids its getting out of hand also george galloway has made some pretty disgusting comments ok the labour party were never going to be her biggest fans but he is an mp fgs. yes male view i understand what you are saying but the mail is extreme in its right wing views although i agree 16 pages was a bit far!

limitedperiodonly Wed 10-Apr-13 10:49:50

Oh, OP so, you are just old enough to remember 1981 when Brixton actually burned and the police couldn't get in for almost 24 hours, or the same year when the same thing happened in Toxteth, Bristol and Birmingham.

And you must remember the miners' strike in 1984, Broadwater Farm in 1985, the Poll Tax riot in central London in 1990 and of course, the riots in the summer of 2011.

Not had anything on that scale, have we? We might, but do try to remain calm until then.

slug Wed 10-Apr-13 10:52:12
limitedperiodonly Wed 10-Apr-13 10:53:09

Actually, OP you sound almost excited at the prospect of rioting, which is as distasteful in my book as celebrating a death.

Lovecat Wed 10-Apr-13 10:53:31

Get with the times, x2boys, Galloway hasn't been a labour MP since 2003!

nokidshere Wed 10-Apr-13 10:55:42

limited why does it matter what the scale is? Rioting is rioting and is never justified on any scale. Nor is it justified for any reason. ever.

Mrsrobertduvall Wed 10-Apr-13 10:59:16

Barnado's shop window broken and looted in Brixton.
How low do these people get.

limitedperiodonly Wed 10-Apr-13 11:05:20

nokidshere scale is important when you're charging people because you want to get a conviction.

So those two women in Brixton have been arrested on suspicion of burglary which is what they allegedly did. Not an offence of violent public disorder, which is what people get charged with after a riot.

I wouldn't be happy if it was my window that got broken or I had to stay in to avoid trouble.

But there are people in Brixton who do remember the last time there was a riot there and they'd know and dread the difference.

DolomitesDonkey Wed 10-Apr-13 11:26:35

The left have never been too hot on maths, so protesting against her, and in support of the "poor working-class man" they demonstrate their anger of money spent by rioting (which is free) - and breaking in to a charity shop ( the privileged bastards). confused

x2boys Wed 10-Apr-13 11:27:00

I sound excited at rioting do i i,m a normal working mum with two little boys so i,m not exactly over the moon at the prospect of rioters no!yes i vaguley remember brixton, toxteth ,miners strike but i was a small child so i cant say i remember it all that well i think my choice of words is prhaps being misinterpreted my intention was ent the actual rioters as such i,m just wondering why anybody would celebrate an old ladies death paticularly those who were not even born when she was in power also did you know she had dementia i was a staff nurse ona dementia ward for six years horrible vile illness and i would nt wish it on anyone actually illnessess there are many typesof dementia! sorry i forgot george galloway was ent an mp any more

TigerSwallowtail Wed 10-Apr-13 11:32:16

I couldn't find anything about recent riots over her death on the BBC news app, and a google search only showed the Barbados shop window smashing that mrsrobert has mentioned. I wonder why it hasn't been reported much?

limitedperiodonly Wed 10-Apr-13 11:41:51

It's hasn't been reported much tigerswallowtail because sadly for the media who've got loads of people on riot watch it hasn't kicked off.

Still a week to go before the funeral. There's always hope for those headlines.

x2boys Wed 10-Apr-13 11:52:18

in fact limited period yeah gosh i,m so excited about rioting i could take my three and six yr old with me looting never to young for a criminal record eh? we could burn and smash peoples hard earned buissnesses to the ground and scare the hell out of people just for fun sounds great ooh must look at my rosta and organise it for my next day off gosh wont the kids have fun !!!!!!!!!!!

x2boys Wed 10-Apr-13 12:06:08

and of course it wouldnt matter about me being struck off the NMC register either limited period because i remember during the last riots people seemed more concerned about the rioters lossing their benefits then people losing their homes and buissnesss so i would nt have to work would i because what about my poor kids its not their fault i would be such a moral degenerate they would still need feeding so i would probably just walk away with a slap on the wrist and then be entitled to claim benefits sound like a plan?

AllYoursBabooshka Wed 10-Apr-13 12:06:48

I have that old familiar feeling that I'm missing summit...

What's up seeker?

AllYoursBabooshka Wed 10-Apr-13 12:07:00

X post!

AllYoursBabooshka Wed 10-Apr-13 12:08:04

Nope. Wrong thread entirely.

How embarrassing.

<runs away>

KateDillington Wed 10-Apr-13 12:12:04

A few smashed windows and this sort of drinking in the streets is normal on ANY saturday night. It's just the Mail trying to find a story. Not a riot!! Most of these people celebrating are almost at retirement age anyway!

x2boys Wed 10-Apr-13 12:18:18

anyway limited period i,m afraid i,m so excited about the prospect of a riot i shall have to and prepare [actually i,m on an afternoon shift] but not for long eh gosh its more exciting than xmas!!!!!!!!!!

HappyTurquoise Wed 10-Apr-13 12:21:28

I am praying for snow, ice, hail and rolling thunder to that tune we used to sing St Francis's prayer to in Sunday School. I will be all cosy watching the TV and heckling.

HappyTurquoise Wed 10-Apr-13 12:22:01

I mean for the funeral itself, not in general.

Tau Wed 10-Apr-13 12:45:33

I'm not into rioting, and I do think it's a bit dodgy to throw a party over this senile old woman's death.

But! She was not just an senile old woman. She was an important political figure, and that is the death we are talking about.

Now that she kicked the bucket, Thatcher is being hailed by many, and there will be a respectful wake for her in the cabinet etc.
I see amongst my non-British friends and relatives that in foreign media the praise is way more prominent than the negative remarks.
That's all nice for those who liked her, but there are many who didn't.
And they need to have a good, clear say as well. Just because she is dead doesn't mean everyone has to sit back demurely as if it was all okay what she did. It wasn't. And her ideas are still - or again- very strongly prevalent in this society.

My son's family is Welsh. They deeply resented Thatcher and her politics. Still do. Peoples' lives and communities were destroyed by Thatcher's decisions. People who protested were violently oppressed under her reign. Those people were not heard then, but that doesn't mean they should not be heard now.
Sadly, the majority of those people are still poor and not influential, so it is hard for them to be heard. Of course loads of them are dead or too old to do much, but their descendants may take over. And if they are not heard, and not valued, they may riot.
And of course they will then soon be joined by professional looters.

A method to limit the risk of big riots happening is to create a more equal society, where poor and vulnerable people also feel secure and valued instead of threatened and vilified. But the Tories are authoritarians, so the won't do that. Their solution to everything is more oppression and violence.

But all that aside: I don't think there'll be much rioting this time... but then again; where I live nothing every happens, so I'd think that, would I?

sashh Wed 10-Apr-13 13:11:34

I was five when she came into power and sixteen when she left downing street so her policies did not affect me directly

Deregulating the banks?

Lack of affordable housing?

MRSA because hospital cleaners were sacked and contracts given to companies who were cheap, even though their quotes meant the hospital couldn't be cleaned properly?

Yep that doesn't affect you at all does it?

Jjou Wed 10-Apr-13 13:43:53

There bloody wasn't any rioting in Liverpool! Leave us out of it...

x2boys Thu 11-Apr-13 12:23:19

yes her policies did not directly affect me sashh labours however as an nhs worker for nearly 20 years front line not sat in some cosy office have directly affected me i have seen them and there policies bring the nhs to there knees but thts a whole different story?!

Abra1d Thu 11-Apr-13 12:31:38

Deregulating the banks?----> She had been out of power for years and years when the banking crisis happened. Who was in power when the banking crisis happened? Labour.

Lack of affordable housing?--->Caused largely by an increase in marriage break-ups and people never marrying/not co-habiting, meaning more houses were needed, and by a large increase in population in the south of England owing to immigration during the Blair/Brown years.

MRSA because hospital cleaners were sacked and contracts given to companies who were cheap, even though their quotes meant the hospital couldn't be cleaned properly?---> Caused by hospitals not managing their contracts properly and a failure by nursing management to train nurses to make sure things were being done properly.

delboysfileofax Thu 11-Apr-13 12:40:44

x2boys- judging by your lack of coherent sentence structure, you were clearly effected by her educational policies

x2boys Thu 11-Apr-13 12:46:01

actually no dellboy just lazy typing but very mature comment give you a little kick does it making nasty jibes prhaps you need to get out more and mix with people more matue than your self not a sigle full stop or capital letter but what the hell

x2boys Thu 11-Apr-13 12:47:25

oh and i even spelt single wrong! oh and mature

Feenie Thu 11-Apr-13 13:06:26

A 'friend' has posted the following on my Facebook page:

She was a murderer ! She was a mass murderer ! She protected mass murderers ! She funded mass murderers !

I understand the Pinochet reference, but have no idea what the rest refers to. Can anyone enlighten me? confused

I presume the murderer part means the Belgrano?

x2boys Thu 11-Apr-13 13:35:24

but was ent the belgrano the argetininan ship she sunk [ i could be wrong and i have had a few roastings for being wrong so feel free to roast me again ] o0r the armed forces sunk that were invading the falkland islands? better than in invading a country that has nothing to do with us and killing millions like that narcacissst blair sorry if my punctuation and spelling is offending you again dellboy!

slug Thu 11-Apr-13 15:42:06

Or the murderers could refer to any of the following, all of whom she supported:

Pol Pot (death toll and estimated 3 million)
Augusto Pinochet (3,000 dead, 29,000 tortured, 1,500 disappeared)
Saddam Hussein (100,000 Kurds as a starting point)
Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (the SAVAK were such fluffy bunnies)
Hosni Mubarak
King Fahd of Saudi Arabia (still beheading women for being raped and hanging men for being gay)
P.W.Botha (because let's face it, Biko just threw himself down those stairs)
General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq
General Suharto ("One of our very best and most valuable friends" she called him as Kopassus gunned down civilians with British supplied machine guns)

jetsetlil Thu 11-Apr-13 15:56:08

delboysfileofax - that was a snide and spiteful comment.

grovel Thu 11-Apr-13 16:00:16

Well, Delboy spelt affected wrong.

limitedperiodonly Thu 11-Apr-13 16:09:26

One of our very best and most valuable friends" she called him as Kopassus gunned down civilians with British supplied machine guns

slug I was going to answer this question, but cba to research the details, so thanks for doing it.

The point I was going to make was all leaders get into bed with unpleasant characters for trade or strategic defence reasons, so it's an unavoidable part of leadership that we can't blame her for specifically.

But most of them aren't given to making such sickening statements of support. So thanks again for reminding me of that special part of her character.

x2boys Thu 11-Apr-13 16:21:09

Back again are we limited period i,m getting my riot gear ready as i type [which is maybe why i dont have coherent sentences dellboy] i,m really excited now by the prospect of riots!

limitedperiodonly Thu 11-Apr-13 16:36:45

Further to that, I admired this comment from Oliver Tambo's son Dali.

'Normally we say that when one of us goes, the ANC ancestors will meet them at the pearly gates and give them a standing ovation. I think it's quite likely that when Margaret Thatcher reaches the pearly gates, the ANC will boycott the occasion.'

So amusingly disdainful.

btw I'm listening atm to the list of people invited to the funeral. If that 'grubby little terrorist' Mandela was well enough to travel, I doubt he'd be attending.

But I'd really like to know whether Jacob Zuma has been invited. Not because I like him, but because as the head of a state we quite like now, surely he'd be considered.

He sent his condolences but I don't know whether we're going to see him.

Maybe so. Or maybe like those signs in pubs, South Africa are saying: 'Don't ask for credit, as refusal often offends.'

limitedperiodonly Thu 11-Apr-13 16:39:36

Good for you x2boys

Bloody hell, the great unwashed found something to do with their time again? I think anyone who gets charged with a public order offence should have all benefits stopped immediately.

Another thing that pisses me off. Likely that you will lose your job if you commit a criminal offence but they don't stop your benefits!

TheSecondComing Thu 11-Apr-13 16:44:24

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Scrazy Thu 11-Apr-13 16:50:01

I think she might be quite pleased about rioting tbh. Didn't she consult with Cameron about how to cope with the riots. They usually use rioting as a stick to beat people with in their press. It happened with the students and it will be the same whenever riots happen.

ThePathanKhansAmnesiac Thu 11-Apr-13 16:58:04

Goodness OP, do try to remain calm and stop the hyperbole. You sound unhinged tbh.

lisaro Thu 11-Apr-13 17:04:14

Unfortunately George Galloway IS an MP for part of Bradford, although he seemed to forget as he tweeted to thank Blackburn for electing him in, which obviously would have been his next target market if he'd failed in Bradford.

Dawndonna Thu 11-Apr-13 17:08:11

Bloody hell, the great unwashed found something to do with their time again? I think anyone who gets charged with a public order offence should have all benefits stopped immediately.

In the times today, an academic study carried out by Sheffield Uni points out that the new rules on benefits affects very few Tory areas and makes a more than significant difference to many people.

I am disgusted by people that call the unemployed/carers/disabled the great unwashed. But then it's safe here, isn't it. It's a forum from which the realities of life are hidden, and you are safe in your metaphorical ivory tower.
The people who may or may not riot have been disenfranchised for a considerable period of time. They run from people with little education to the intelligensia. People who have had few chances because of where they come from and few life opportunities, to people who have had good jobs and nice homes and have been hit by sickness and disability.
That ivory tower in which you sit and pontificate about the so called great unwashed may well have dodgy foundations, do be careful.

Did I mention unemployed, carers, disabled???? No.

This forum is impossible to actually post on about benefits and the entitled without someone yelling the words disabled, cater or unemployed and if that is you argument then it's pathetic.

I have nothing against those that care for others, in fact working on the nhs have great respect for them, as well as the disabled as working in mental health most of our patients are classed as disabled and people who are unemployed are not generally the great unwashed but the ones that think it is ok to cause distruction, fear and social unrest whilst holding their hands out expecting that society to financially supports them makes me sick.

Dawndonna Thu 11-Apr-13 17:28:06

No you didn't mention them. You used a generic term. Perhaps if you had been more specific in your original posting you wouldn't have been pulled on it. As I said, Ivory Tower.

The great unwashed? please clarify are you really using that term?

OP, google The Belgrano, its very interesting.

CogitoErgoSometimes Thu 11-Apr-13 17:44:23

YANBU.... Just proves that the kind of idiot that riots is not politically or socially motivated and is just a feckless chancer opportunistically hoping to rob some trainers...

Dawndonna Thu 11-Apr-13 17:50:11

Half of you lot frighten me more than any rioter.
angry

herethereandeverywhere Thu 11-Apr-13 18:08:00

Can I add collusion with police version of events at Hillsborough to the list please slug?

limitedperiodonly Thu 11-Apr-13 18:18:58

Yes cogito, but have there been any riots yet other than in the fevered imagination of x2boys?

samandi Thu 11-Apr-13 18:26:13

It's nothing to do with Margaret Thatcher or her policies. Just morons looking for an excuse.

Dawndonna Thu 11-Apr-13 18:33:46

a) Not a moron.

b) Don't need an excuse.

Unfortunately not able to attend any sort of demonstration, but as an academic, I'm well aware of the facts and the legacy.

Theres a hell of a lot of morons on MN at the moment.

On Wednesday people will be protesting which is their democratic right.

ParadiseChick Thu 11-Apr-13 18:48:18

Hello.

Does anyone have any actual links to any actual riots that have been reported?

ParadiseChick Thu 11-Apr-13 18:49:21

Yes. Some people are so thick or right wing or pearl clutchy not to know the difference between a protest and a riot.

limitedperiodonly Thu 11-Apr-13 18:51:26

An excuse to do what samandi?

Surely not rioting, because despite the OP's excitedness, that hasn't happened, has it?

So would you care to explain why people shouldn't raise their objections to the policies of a major political figure?

sparklekitty Thu 11-Apr-13 18:53:43

I'm loosing my DH on sat night and weds as they are worried about riots/violent protests sad

I was def not a fan of Maggie raving lefty here but I do think some people are going way over the top and actually its over shadowing the proper discussion about her politics and what they have led too.

mainly pissed as we were having a take away and a nice night together on Sat

limitedperiodonly Thu 11-Apr-13 19:14:10

Is your DH a police officer sparklekitty?

If so, and he's rostered on the day of the funeral, or has had leave cancelled, then it's his job.

In your opinion what is the proper discussion of her politics and what they've led to?

And if your DH is a police officer, how would he say the police have been treated since 1979, when there was enormous police recruitment and incentives, compared to the last few years when there have been proposed 20 or 25 per cent redundancies?

Apologies if your DH isn't a police officer.

x2boys Sat 13-Apr-13 09:15:12

limited period i dont think you quite understand sarcasm my comments to you are in reply to your rude original comment about about my apparently very excited comments about riots, please read the dictionary it will give you a very good deffinition of sarcasm , dreams if you actually read my post about the belgrano you willl realise i did point out i knew very little about the belgrano .As for being unhinged i dont think iam in fact as i work on a psychiatric intensive care unit i have to be very hinged anyway back to my original point forget the riots limited period i just find it distasteful to be dancing and singing about the death of an old lady yeah i know there is lack of punctuation sentence structure etc but i just cant be bothered.

weegiemum Sat 13-Apr-13 09:39:20

As a student in the late 1980s both born and educated in Scotland, I went on a few anti poll tax protests, as well as the Reclaim The Night marches (first year social science student!).

I never rioted, I never saw any rioting. I don't celebrate Thatcher's death, but I don't mourn it, except in a generic way:

Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.

I feel sorry for her family - my Gran had incipient dementia when she died at 83. My other Grandma is 92 and doesn't even recognise her own reflection.

But Thatcherism defined my childhood and youth - first at a primary school that lost so many teachers of specialist subjects, then as a young adult living in Scotland and just into 3rd year at university, I am truly one of "Thatcher's Children". Though I disagreed with almost everything, that disagreement in itself comes from her. She made me a socialist.

My thoughts go out to her family (though, given her son's antics overhe years, I do sometimes wonder how good a mother she was?). But I can't say I'm sorry to see her go. But I won't be protesting this time.

x2boys Sat 13-Apr-13 09:54:07

you see weegie i worked on a dementia wardfor six years its an awful vile condtion i say condtion as there are loads of different types of dementia and as i have pointed out i was only sixteen when she left downing street my parents however worked for the gas board and when it was privitised they did very well out of it and took redundancy as they wre both midfifties [ got a great package too ] and then got a great pension that said i wouldnt wish dementia on anyone and this dancing on peoples graves thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth!

limitedperiodonly Sat 13-Apr-13 11:56:53

limited period i dont think you quite understand sarcasm

grin

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