To think that Kirstie Allsopp is completely out of touch? RE Twitter

(93 Posts)
Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 14:28:47

I just saw this:

M&S worker
"You are completely wrong on this one, Frankie is a great stand up, you're coming across as a stuck up bitch."

Kirsty
"The next person that wants to call me vile, offensive & women bashing names better remove their employer from their profile, I fight mean!!"

M&S worker
"I'm sorry for what I said. I have no problem apologising. Just overreacted"

https://twitter.com/KirstieMAllsopp

This is in regards to Frankee Boyle and Thatcher.

Is it just me or is Allsopp being ridiculous?

Fuckity Tue 09-Apr-13 14:30:03

no, I think she is right.

LifeSavedbyLego Tue 09-Apr-13 14:30:33

Sorry I think she's right too

DiscoDonkey Tue 09-Apr-13 14:30:56

Not sure i understand?

DiscoDonkey Tue 09-Apr-13 14:31:23

As in why you think she's out of touch that is?

HoHoHoNoYouDont Tue 09-Apr-13 14:31:38

Actually she was doing the person a favour. Might teach them to be more careful in future.

I loathe Twitter as much as I loathe Facebook. It's full of slebs justifying their existence.

squeakytoy Tue 09-Apr-13 14:31:39

she needs to get a dictionary and have some lessons in grammar and spelling for a start..

Hulababy Tue 09-Apr-13 14:31:59

I agree with her tbh.

Mind I would delete anyone who felt it fine to quote the horrid Frankie Boyle to me anyway!

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 14:35:24

I just don't see what people do in their free time has to do with their employer? I certainly don't feel that Allsopp should be threatening people either way.

ComposHat Tue 09-Apr-13 14:42:14

she came across as a bully threatening to misuse her position and power to get someone the sack because they've said something you disagree with. Grace Dent tried something similar a few months ago.

Hulababy Tue 09-Apr-13 14:42:41

It's always been the case that people can be reprimanded for things they do out of work time, if they are being linked to that employer at the time. Which is why people should be very careful with their online persona, especially on social networking, and more so when they chose to add their real names along side their real employer details.

Teachers are often reminded of such things. Why should it be different for any one else?

TheFallenNinja Tue 09-Apr-13 14:44:08

I'm self employed, can I call her vile?

AmandaPayneAteTooMuchChocolate Tue 09-Apr-13 14:46:05

I don't see it as inappropriate either. If you have your employer on your profile, you are representing them. You shouldn't be abused anyone, but you certainly shouldn't be doing it where your professional status is visible. I don't see any issue KA picking her up on that.

As for Frankie Boyle, I don't know what he has said, but he is generally a very vile abusive comedian, so I'm pretty much with KA on that one too.

WilsonFrickett Tue 09-Apr-13 14:46:41

If your twitter feed is called 'M&S worker' then people will assume that what you post is linked to that brand, ie that person is representing the views of M&S. In which case, you probably shouldn't go around calling people names. If the person didn't have their employer in their name, she couldn't have responded that way. Although she still would have been right to call them on their nasty namecalling

pictish Tue 09-Apr-13 14:47:21

Compos you can disagree with someone without calling them a stuck up bitch.

But you can also make your intolerance for that known by blocking that person, rather than threatening to tell their boss.

So in conclusion...meh.

Booyhoo Tue 09-Apr-13 14:50:20

i agree with her. if you want to name call etc then do it under your own name and downt bring your employer into it. they're risking their job.

i have a friend on FB who posted some whingey stuff about some customers he had staying at the hotel he worked at. he has his place of work listed on his profile! what an idiot. i sent him a message letting him know that his employers might not appreciate his form of publicity.

EffieTheDuck Tue 09-Apr-13 14:51:28

I always thought KA came over as being out of touch regardless of Twitter.

Booyhoo Tue 09-Apr-13 14:52:44

"she came across as a bully threatening to misuse her position and power to get someone the sack because they've said something you disagree with."

i think it was the name calling she was hinting at reporting them over.

"The next person that wants to call me vile, offensive & women bashing names better remove their employer from their profile, I fight mean!!"

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 14:54:07

I think it's quite immature and self-important of Allsopp to reply in this way. I am not defending the M&S worker, they were obviously immature in the first place, however Allsopp is a public figure and therefore she should expect some negative comments from time to time. The best way to deal with this is to ignore it, you can't fight fire with fire. I don't think Allsopp deserves to have negative comments thrown at her, however she should expect them given her line of work and should respond maturely. I don't think she's setting a very good example here.

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 14:54:58

Kirsty did exactly the right thing. It was such a stupid thing to do the mind boggles. Abusing someone and signing it with your employer's name hmm

Bowlersarm Tue 09-Apr-13 14:59:41

OP I think she did respond maturely. She hasn't done anything to this M&S worker , but has given a clear warning that she may do with subsequent comments from subsequent people. Fair play to her. Also fair play because Frankie Boyle does make vile vile comments

Booyhoo Tue 09-Apr-13 15:02:55

well she should expect them, i agree, but knowing that people will be vile to you doesn't mean you should let it go unchallenged. i'm in two minds about this tbh. personally i probably would have said "there's no need for name calling. it's fine to disagree but do it maturely etc" i might have added "btw do you know your employers name is attactched to your profile?" to let them know that i had that information about them (and possibly to scare them a wee tiny bit about what i might do with that info). on the other hand, someone who is stupid enough to post abusive names on the internet using their employers' name deserves to be called on it and i'm sure what kirsty did will make this personn think twice in future about who they call names and under what username. sometimes fire with fire is ok. celebs are human and should be able to defend themselves against stuff like this. just because tehy should expect it doesn't mean tehy should tolerate it.

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 15:04:09

'I am not defending the M&S worker'

'Allsopp is a public figure and therefore she should expect some negative comments from time to time.'

'she should expect them given her line of work and should respond maturely.'

You are defending them by suggesting that being called a 'stuck up bitch' is something that she should 'expect.' Why exactly?

Maybe if a few more idiots were sacked for doling out abuse online people would remember that you're usually identifiable and the Internet isn't a magic shield that protects you from the RL consequences of your actions.

OpheliasWeepingWillow Tue 09-Apr-13 15:07:30

If you state where you work on your twitter profile then you represent your company. At work I am then one policing employee accounts on twitter (and yes I do police them) and a remark like the one Kirsty replied to would invoke disciplinary action.

I think she did right to point it out, but threatening to tell the employer is ridiculous and petty and puts her at their level imo. She'd have done better to miss that part off of the tweet.

WilsonFrickett Tue 09-Apr-13 15:07:44

Being called a bitch isn't a negative comment. It's a nasty name given to a woman to put her in her place.

"You are completely wrong on this one, Frankie is a great stand up, I think you sound stuck up."

Is a negative comment. See the difference?

It would take more than being called "a stuck up bitch" (especially if I were a public figure) to induce me to start issuing those kind of threats of Twitter.

WilsonFrickett Tue 09-Apr-13 15:13:03

That's your choice Pumpkin, doesn't mean KA needs to feel the same way.

<I don't even like KA>

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 15:13:21

@Twentytotwo

I don't feel that I am defending their actions. They are clearly very immature and rude.

Unfortunately people are very rude on the internet, particularly to celebrities. I'm guessing Allsopp is not a celebrity who gets a lot of criticism, therefore this was probably very shocking to her. Famous people should realise that anything they say from a platform (such as Twitter) can be commented on by anybody, rude and not-rude people. Sadly not everyone is polite as she experienced yesterday. However this person should not be judged upon this by their employer unless it took place in work hours.

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 15:14:10

'Threats'? Some idiot publicly insults someone from an account that has their employer listed??? Have you never read an employment contract? That's misconduct. It brings the company into disrepute.

Booyhoo Tue 09-Apr-13 15:14:26

well she didn't actually threaten anything.

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 15:16:31

You are clearly ignorant of the conditions of employment most people agree to. It doesn't matter if you're up the Matterhorn tweeting, if your employer is named on the account it still counts.

LifeofPo Tue 09-Apr-13 15:19:59

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Booyhoo Tue 09-Apr-13 15:20:09

nokids i think you are being very naive, especially in this instance where the person has their employer's name displayed.

i used to work for a national bank and it was stated very clearly in my contract that any behaviours outside of office hours would be reflected on the company. we were even warned against being very drunk out at the weekends incase customers recognised us.

i had a car accident on my way home from work one evening and the other person was a customer and actually came into my work to try and sort it out over the counter! when it was clear neither of us were accepting liability her first threat was to go to my head office and report me. this was all because the only piece of leverage she had was that she knew where i worked.

danceponydance Tue 09-Apr-13 15:22:48

I was up in the night and saw this when it happened, I was half asleep so can't be 100% sure but I remember KA being called a cunt by the M&S employee for disagreeing with Frankie Boyle. That tweet seems to have been deleted, as has the persons reference to working for M&S on his profile. This is not the same as being called a stuck up bitch, which itself is unnecessary and unpleasant.

Nobody deserves to be called a cunt publicly just for having a different opinion and if you are stupid enough to state that you work for a particular employer when you act in this way, you do deserve any repercussions that come your way as a result.

Abuse and criticism are two seperate things OP.

Calling someone a stuck up bitch is abusive and no one should have to tolerate it just because it was written on a computer screen and not said to her face.

M&S would absolutely want to know about that, as would any company. Social networks are extremely powerful. And I doubt that any company would want to align themselves with Frankie Boyle.

LifeofPo Tue 09-Apr-13 15:25:33

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Bowlersarm Tue 09-Apr-13 15:26:54

OP I think you're wrong to assume she doesn't get much criticism and I think you're wrong to assume she would be shocked by it when she gets it. KA strikes me as a strong personality who just won't put up with taking crap lightly. Which is why she said "I fight mean"

WilsonFrickett Tue 09-Apr-13 15:27:00

I'm guessing Allsopp is not a celebrity who gets a lot of criticism, therefore this was probably very shocking to her.

That's just nonsense. She's on Twitter a lot, she holds views and she expresses them ergo she gets shit back because she's a woman. Please stop trying to normalise the anti-women shit that is thrown around the internet purely because it's a woman who speaks.

^^ poster above thinks she was called a cunt as well as a bitch, should she put up with that too?

Hulababy Tue 09-Apr-13 15:27:05

"However this person should not be judged upon this by their employer unless it took place in work hours."

I disagree, not when they have their employer name attached to thir real identity. The easiest way is for the poster to have not attached his employer to his Twitter account; by doing this he has to behave in manner which is appropriate for that employer.

WilsonFrickett Tue 09-Apr-13 15:28:23

Also your thread title suggests she's only complaining because 'she's out of touch' - presumably if she was 'in touch' she would just suck it up?

<again I do not like KA>

That's your choice Pumpkin, doesn't mean KA needs to feel the same way

Never said she did. She clearly doesn't.

danceponydance Tue 09-Apr-13 15:29:56

Having had a quick review of the M&S employees tweets, he does make reference to usign the c word in his apologies so it looks like I remembered it correctly and it has been deleted.

SatsukiKusukabe Tue 09-Apr-13 15:30:47

you shouldn't put your employer in your profile and post bull shit it does reflect badly on your employer. I'm more suprised by how many cops post absolute crap on their facebook etc

SatsukiKusukabe Tue 09-Apr-13 15:32:29

also if a person responds to being called a bitch, how us that bullying confused.poor bullied asshole

beginnings Tue 09-Apr-13 15:35:27

Agreeing with a number of others, what you do outside work hours is an issue for most employers. Depending on what it says in your contract and/or employee handbook, doing something that brings the company into disrepute could be grounds for dismissal. Having your employer's name on Twitter or Facebook or whatever and then saying something less than complimentary is a very very silly thing to do.

Viviennemary Tue 09-Apr-13 15:35:52

My goodness we must all be terrified of Kirstie Allsop reporting us to our employers. She should be sacked for threatening people. Ghastly woman.

danceponydance Tue 09-Apr-13 15:37:48

In relation to your original post OP, you have actually misquoted who said what. Your original quote relating to "stuck up bitch" from the M&S employee was actually from another twitter user and not the M&S employee. The quoted apology was from the M&S employee.

A quick look at KA's twitter feed shows that they are two different people.

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 15:38:28

Please don't think that I am defending the M&S worker. I think that what they said to Allsopp was disgusting and I would be very shocked if someone had spoken to me like that. However, it would be naive as someone in the public eye to presume that people won't say those kind of things to you, because obviously they will. Allsopp does not deserve to be spoken to like that, however as a celebrity she should realize that some people are rude and inconsiderate and therefore may choose to speak to her like that.

I feel that she was using her status as a celebrity to threaten revenge on the tweeter. I just do not feel that the punishment fitted the crime in this instance. I doubt that the tweeter would ever have the balls to say this to Allsopp, or anyone's, face. They are probably a pretty normal person off of the internet. If they are consistently rude then I am sure that M&S are aware of this and dealing with it appropriately. It also seems that Allsopp was taking revenge on one tweeter for what many tweeters were saying to her and I just don't feel that this was fair.

I am sure that Allsopp is intelligent enough to come up with a reply to being called a 'bitch' without resorting to threats. I suppose I was just dissappointted with her reply.

LifeofPo Tue 09-Apr-13 15:40:43

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 15:41:41

If that person was stupid enough to list their employer on an account they used to call someone a cunt they deserve all they get.

WilsonFrickett Tue 09-Apr-13 15:42:08

But why should you assume because you're in the public eye someone will definitely, absolutely, call you a bitch (and a cunt?) Why should she? And what about the non-celeb women who get called equally bad names?

You are excusing misogyny because someone is well-known - that makes no sense to me. She wasn't complaining because she'd been disagreed with, she'd been complaining about the words used to silence her.

Viviennemary Tue 09-Apr-13 15:43:32

I think she is coming across as a nasty bully and should be ashamed of herself.

I fight mean = inciting violence. She should be immediately suspended from her job.

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 15:44:20

'You are excusing misogyny because someone is well-known - that makes no sense to me. She wasn't complaining because she'd been disagreed with, she'd been complaining about the words used to silence her.'

^ This

So someone in the public eye should take whatever people throw at them and never retaliate?

OP, do yourself a favour and stop now. Every post you make gets worse.

Hulababy Tue 09-Apr-13 15:46:46

There are many people out there who have lost their jobs or not been given jobs due to FB and Twitter profiles and this kind of thing. KA is not doing/saying anything new.

Teaching staff are often called up over it all the time, and some schools tell staff they shouldn't have an online profile at all.

It should be the same for any employee. You are called up on inappropriate behaviour, and if you are linking in your employer on your profile then you should be doubly aware that your employers may not be too impressed either.

Hulababy Tue 09-Apr-13 15:47:56

Eh? It is very very clear in KA's tweet that "I fight mean" has nothing to do with inciting violence, and is talking about contacting the employer about someone's inappropriate behaviour.

SatsukiKusukabe Tue 09-Apr-13 15:49:40

think vivianne us being sarcastic

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 15:52:09

You are excusing misogyny because someone is well-known - that makes no sense to me. She wasn't complaining because she'd been disagreed with, she'd been complaining about the words used to silence her

I am not excusing misogyny. I hope that I would never come across like that. The way that the person spoke to Allsopp was disgusting and unacceptable. Unfortunately it happens and getting upset over it will only make the misogynists win.

I feel that Allsopp did not respond in the right manner. I feel that responding with an intelligent and thought-provoking response would have been more suitable.

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 15:55:02

*So someone in the public eye should take whatever people throw at them and never retaliate?

OP, do yourself a favour and stop now. Every post you make gets worse.*

I can make my own decisions thank you. It would be a boring forum if we all agreed with each other wouldn't it?

WilsonFrickett Tue 09-Apr-13 15:56:25

I don't feel that misogynists deserve intelligent and thought-provoking responses. I think they should just STFU. And you are coming across like you're excusing it, sorry, but you are.

And the school of thought that women should only ever be intelligent and thought-provoking and lady-like (I know you didn't use that word) is deeply sexist btw. Why shouldn't she 'fight mean'.

PeneloPeePitstop Tue 09-Apr-13 15:57:03

Completely not to do with this thread but KA was a cow about carers to me.

Viviennemary Tue 09-Apr-13 15:57:56

No I wasn't in a way. Because I think she is absolutely as bad as the person making the other remarks. That was the point I was trying to make. Somebody might report her for inciting violence.

Bowlersarm Tue 09-Apr-13 15:58:17

OP I think it is you who is out of touch re twitter. Have you not been aware of the controversy surrounding Paris Brown's tweets in the last few days? It is inappropriate to name call, be racist sexist etc on twitter. Anyone can be called up in it and if they are representing their workplace, it is quite correct that they should be

When you are criticising a woman for standing up for herself it goes a little further than disagreeing.

danceponydance Tue 09-Apr-13 16:06:47

OP What do you think would have been an appropriate response from KA? And have you actually read any of the other tweets relating to this?

Whether KA went about this the right or wrong way, the person calling her a cunt has apologised and acknowledged publicly that he was wrong to use that word - "bit (sic) I do regret what I said. Could of said it another way without being so insulting and crude."

Maybe he's trying very hard to back track so that he doesn't lose his job but it's now out there publicly that he knows his behaviour was wrong and it's been a warning to anyone else who might behave in the same way that there are repercussions if you do so.

The more that offensive words and phrases are used, the more normalised they become. Even if one fewer person uses these words and phrases publicly then it is less (even if it is marginal) likely that another person would think it is acceptable and appropriate to do so.

BreconBeBuggered Tue 09-Apr-13 16:07:53

Isn't the distinction that Kirstie's comments are general, but the other person's tweet is directed @Kirstie? As for the comments regarding Frankie Boyle, well, that's why he posts that kind of thing, surely. Best ignored in a 'don't feed the trol'l way.

SatsukiKusukabe Tue 09-Apr-13 16:08:10

only someone totally out of touch with reality would take it to mean kirsty fucking allsop was threatning to go to m&s and give someone a kicking. and not just let them know what a wanker their employee is.

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 16:10:51

*I don't feel that misogynists deserve intelligent and thought-provoking responses. I think they should just STFU. And you are coming across like you're excusing it, sorry, but you are.

And the school of thought that women should only ever be intelligent and thought-provoking and lady-like (I know you didn't use that word) is deeply sexist btw. Why shouldn't she 'fight mean'.*

She may fight mean if she likes, but that would make her just as bad as whomever said the original tweet.

I believe that everyone has the right to say what they like, regardless of how harsh it may be, we do not live in a society that silences people and you should be thankful that we don't. Unfortunately we have misogynists in our society. I wish we didn't, but we do. From my personal experience misogynists are normally people who need love and education. I would rather respond to them with something they could think about, rather than something to scare them.

I do not think that women should be intelligent, thought-provoking and lady-like all of the time. However in this particular instance I feel that an intelligent response would have been the best one.

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 16:14:38

OP What do you think would have been an appropriate response from KA? And have you actually read any of the other tweets relating to this?

No, I have not. I do not use Twitter.

As for an appropriate response I am not sure. I would have perhaps directed them to the actual dictionary definition of said word?

Bowlersarm Tue 09-Apr-13 16:15:24

'However in this particular instance I feel that an intelligent response would have been the best one'

Well good for you. She clearly didn't

SatsukiKusukabe Tue 09-Apr-13 16:17:48

you'd have told them what a cunt is.

well, yes, that would be them well and truly told. confused

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 16:24:39

you'd have told them what a cunt is. [...] well, yes, that would be them well and truly told.

Like I said, I am not too sure what my response would be, this is just one that came to mind. If you look up the meaning of the word in the dictionary then you would see that the first definition is listed as a 'vulva, or vagina'. This is quite simply part of female anatomy and I would question why they feel that this is an appropriate name, or adjective, for myself.

HairyGrotter Tue 09-Apr-13 16:28:07

I actually got involved with this 'spat' last night, and she is a condescending twat. I didn't resort to name calling, but she is a dick

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 16:31:13

'getting upset over it will only make the misogynists win'

Wow. Really?

'I believe that everyone has the right to say what they like, regardless of how harsh it may be, we do not live in a society that silences people and you should be thankful that we don't'

You can believe it all you want but we don't all have the right to say what we want in the UK without consequences. There are laws against hate speech, laws that deal with threatening and abusive language and employee contracts and terms of use agreements that cover conduct (including speech or tweets.) It's misconduct to use certain language in the presence of coworkers. You can be arrested and face criminal charges for some language. As it should be.

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 16:38:19

'getting upset over it will only make the misogynists win'. Wow. Really?

Surely that is what this type of misogynist wants? He/she insulted her, I'm assuming with the intent to upset her. Most people who throw insults around just want the insulted party to get upset and react. Why else would they do it?

SatsukiKusukabe Tue 09-Apr-13 16:40:13

nokids, everyone knows what a cunt is. That is precisely why misogynists use it. you can try and intellectualise things and maybe you would have kept the moral high ground. But the truth is what she said did the man a lesson. He will perhaps think twice before opening his mouth

TarkaTheOtter Tue 09-Apr-13 16:42:30

I'm not a fan of KA but I can't see what she did wrong here. Maybe it's a twitter thing as I don't use it, but if someone in the street called me a cunt in an m&s uniform I would consider "complaining" to them. It's not a great advertisement is it.

She is right. Don't see why she would be wrong.

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 16:49:31

'From my personal experience misogynists are normally people who need love and education'

Well you go for it. Explain away. Those of us who think that they're arrogant, unpleasant people who act like that because they think they will get away with it are free to think she did exactly the right thing.

IncrediblePhatTheInnkeepersCat Tue 09-Apr-13 17:02:04

I think KA was quite right to reply how she did and I'm glad that he apologised.

OP, imagine you had a DD who was publically called a cunt, or a stuck up bitch, how would you want her to respond? KA took the power back, extracted an apology and maybe made others think twice.

BegoniaBampot Tue 09-Apr-13 17:08:24

sounds like she got him to retract and apologise, sounds like she handled it fine and won. Think he/she will learn from that more than if she ignored it.

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 17:09:07

Personally a forced apology would mean nothing to me. I would prefer to educate the person and actually teach them something. What use is a forced apology to anyone? It dosen't help you or them.

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 17:13:00

OP, imagine you had a DD who was publically called a cunt, or a stuck up bitch, how would you want her to respond? KA took the power back, extracted an apology and maybe made others think twice.

I would like to hope that I would teach my daughter that names can only hurt you if you let them. I would also hope that my daughter would be able to spot an attention-seeker and respond maturely.

WilsonFrickett Tue 09-Apr-13 17:15:58

I just saw you aren't even on Twitter. So you've picked up part of a Twitter conversation from somewhere, quoted it wrongly, and came on here to tell us we should love and educate people who think it's fine to call women cunts.

::bows out::

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 17:16:43

Look at it this way. KA was educating that person (and anyone else who was paying attention to that discussion) on The Realities of Social Media and Employment in the Twenty-First Century.

WilsonFrickett Tue 09-Apr-13 17:16:54

AND you have a thread title claiming someone is out of touch with a communication method you don't even use hmm

::definitely bows out this time::

Nokidsnoproblem Tue 09-Apr-13 17:17:14

I am from the UK, but I don't live there at the minute. Maybe I am just out of touch, I apologise if I have offended anyone. That was certainly not my intention.

I am spending my twenties travelling the world, working as a teacher as I do so. Everywhere I go people treat me differently. At first I would get offended by certain things, but now I am so used to it that nothing really offends me any more.

BreasticlesNTesticles Tue 09-Apr-13 17:23:00

Agree with Tarka If someone came up to me in an M&S uniform with a name badge on and called me a cunt and a stuck up bitch I would feel perfectly justified in going to M&S and telling them what happened.

As to you commenting on Twitter when you don't even use it shock? Where have you got the quote from?

Twentytotwo Tue 09-Apr-13 17:29:18

As you're travelling I suggest you pay close attention to What you can and can't say online. In Turkey mentioning 'Armenian' and 'genocide' in the same sentence will get you into legal trouble. In Thailand they're rather overprotective of the King.

Booyhoo Tue 09-Apr-13 17:44:47

OP i wonder if you would be supporting this person's right to call someone a racist term on twitter?

Good on her. She's gone up in my estimation for challenging that.

DeskPlanner Tue 09-Apr-13 18:09:35

I agree with her.

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