To think Paris Brown should be sacked at once!

(173 Posts)
seeminglyso Sun 07-Apr-13 17:02:55

What lessons otherwise are we sending to teenagers!

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 17:06:09

Whether or not she should be sacked, it's definitely a message about being careful what you put on the internet!

Floralnomad Sun 07-Apr-13 17:06:38

I voted for Ann Barnes and I thought that having a youth person was a good idea but I've emailed this morning to say I think Paris needs to be sacked as she has lost any credibility she had . I have a teenager and a 20yr old and they would not behave in that manner .

Fargo86 Sun 07-Apr-13 17:07:30

who is she?

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 17:08:34

For those who don't know what the OP is on about, Paris Brown is a youth police commissioner who tweeted a lot about sex, drugs, alcohol etc and the DM found her twitter account.

Bridgetbidet Sun 07-Apr-13 17:08:36

To be honest she seems fairly typical of the youth of that area. They might actually get something relevant out of her.

Otherwise they're just going to end up with some high achiever who's would have zero interaction with the police in their ordinary lives and has zero input of relevance.

At least she seems the type who would have some kind of insight into the interactions people her age have with police.

Gossipmonster Sun 07-Apr-13 17:09:56

The tweets were made between the ages of 14 and 16 - they are not recent.

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 17:09:58
AgentZigzag Sun 07-Apr-13 17:11:07

I'm not saying the tweets were anything but inappropriate and she should have known better, but she was between 14-16 YO when she posted them.

If she'd posted them this last weekend then I agree she should be sacked, but not from when she was 14.

My teens wouldn't tweet racist/homophobic stuff. I know this as have spied on their accounts for the last three years. I think she should go.

Bridgetbidet Sun 07-Apr-13 17:12:57

Floralnomad, I imagine your kids probably wouldn't have much of relevance to say to the police about their relations with young people?

I imagine that this young lady is the kind of girl who's been hanging around in groups being moved on in shopping centres, who's done a bit of underage drinking and smoking and as a result might have some some valuable insight into why and how this happens and what can be done to prevent it.

If they simply get a well behaved child from the local grammar or private school I doubt they would be able to give much of an insight into the experience of the majority of young people in Kent with the police.

seeminglyso Sun 07-Apr-13 17:12:57

gossipmonster I dont see what that has to do with it, they still reflect a pretty intolerant bigoted attitude...

AgentZigzag Sun 07-Apr-13 17:12:57

I would have monitored them too Tough, but that just puts the responsibility for letting them stand on her parents doesn't it?

sue52 Sun 07-Apr-13 17:14:48

I did stupid things when I was 14. Thank goodness there was no facebook around then to boast on. She's apologised for it, let her do get on with her job now.

McBalls Sun 07-Apr-13 17:14:51

I thought this was an embarrassing and pointless stunt anyway - even more so now that this girl turns out to be a racist twonk.

Gossipmonster Sun 07-Apr-13 17:15:27

Do you not think this should have been checked out before she was appointed though?

seeminglyso Sun 07-Apr-13 17:16:22

Bridgetbidet There are other kids who are still 'antisocial' who are not racist homophobics..why not choose one of those?

RedPencils Sun 07-Apr-13 17:17:01

It's a short sharp shock into the real world for her.
Seems like most people her age, over sharing on social media and not thinking further ahead than the weekend. I have some friends with teens and I'm shock at some of the stuff they post.

I think all teens make mistakes and should be allowed to. Racism/homophobia is completely different to that.

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 17:17:25

According to the articles when she was originally appointed (3rd April I think) she turned 17 that day, so was 16 when chosen. Which means some of the tweets were very recent.

Nanny0gg Sun 07-Apr-13 17:20:51

I can't understand why the people who appointed her didn't check FB and Twitter etc first.
I thought that was the norm for employers these days, let alone for such a high-profile role.

Startail Sun 07-Apr-13 17:22:08

She's only 17 now.
Thus this stuff was written only three years ago.

Sorry, but it's been realised for more than three years that what you write on the net comes back to haunt you.

Had she been in her mid 20's I might have sympathised, but today's teens should know that twitter and FB are not private.

janey68 Sun 07-Apr-13 17:22:33

YANBU- and the 'argument' that at least it shows she's 'down with the kids' is patronising. I don't think the vast majority of 14-16 yr olds post racist and homophobic shit, and I don't think that fact would make them unable to interact with the police.

There are plenty of confident and articulate teenagers Out there who would do a first rate job. She's lost any credibility now and should go. She shouldnt need to be sacked: the first intelligent and sensible decision she could make in the role would be to realise her position is compromised and stand down. You can't Defend that level of bigotry .

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 17:23:31

Apparently she gets an official car... must be nice even though she probably can't drive yet grin

Bridgetbidet Sun 07-Apr-13 17:23:47

I think you would struggle to find a 14 year old who had not used some sort of homophobic language of some type. Hasn't 'gay' been the word fo du jour for something being crap for a while?

And the race thing also, in Kent it would be very, very normal for a girl that age to refer to gypsies as pikeys. I'm not sure I would go so far as calling that racist. And the other thing was saying that someone didn't speak English and the context was lost.

I'm not sure what message it sends out if we say we're going to punish people for slightly politically incorrect things they said when they were 14 either.

McCarthyist witch hunts come to mind sometimes these days....

ihearsounds Sun 07-Apr-13 17:25:47

My teens post some stupid things. However, they don't post anything that is racist, homophobic, moaning about a lack of sex life or drugs. Unlike this new crime tsar who was doing that 2 months ago.

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 17:25:49

Bridget some of the tweets were from she was 16, and she only turned 17 the other day

Gossipmonster Sun 07-Apr-13 17:26:17

I'm sorry but "Pikey" is racist.

If I said that to a traveller I would expect to get punched in the face.

janey68 Sun 07-Apr-13 17:26:40

Youve read those tweets and you really think its not racist? And just politely mentioning that the people in her local pizza place dont speak English as first language? hmm
They are vile. I don't believe for a moment most teens are like that

My reference to racist was about her tweet about peo

Sorry- accidentally hit post.

Was about people speaking English.

seeminglyso Sun 07-Apr-13 17:28:13

janey68 ..quite, there are many articulate teens who would have been much more suited to the role. It is an total cringe that she was ever chosen.

bridgetbidet I think to say those comments were 'slightly politically incorrect' is to suggest that you too are part of the 'political correctness gawn maaad' brigade aka people who are pissed off that you cannot be casually racist and homophobic any more.

Badvoc Sun 07-Apr-13 17:28:14

She is horrid.
Saw her on breakfast tv and wasnt impressed.
She was very clear how great she thought she was going to be at this new job!
My 9 year old would not use language like that.

ihearsounds Sun 07-Apr-13 17:29:19

Never mind 3 weeks ago she supported an assault.. Yea just your typical teen.. Thank fuck I haven't got a typical one. I would hang my head in shame.

McBalls Sun 07-Apr-13 17:33:52

Also- how irresponsible of the adults involved.

This whole thing is just a silly stunt, not at all worth taking a minor and exposing her to all this scrutiny. They must have known this would happen?

Massive PR cock-up.

Fargo86 Sun 07-Apr-13 17:34:07

It will just end up being another post for teens with designs on getting into politics, like the SU president.

Floralnomad Sun 07-Apr-13 17:38:25

bridget you are probably right about my children not being the type of person that they were looking for for the role ,however I'm sure that there must be some non racist / homophobic teens that could have had the job . My 20 yr olds response was ' well what do you expect ,she comes from Sheppey ' which is less than helpful . You would have thought that they would have looked into her background as part of the interview process. Also I agree if she's a typical teen I'm glad mine aren't typical.

Bridgetbidet Sun 07-Apr-13 17:39:54

Honestly, I think the world is worrying these days.

Wanting to get rid of people because they have publicly supported the facist party and given facist salutes. Understandable.

Wanting to have people sacked from their jobs because they may have made a few off colour remarks a few years ago. Not right.

Honestly, I believe that we will look back on this era in 50 years time and view it alongside the McCarthyist witch hunts. It really is nuts.

janey68 Sun 07-Apr-13 17:40:36

'a few off colour remarks...' dear god.

'Off colour remarks' I am not on the same wavelength as you clearly. I have teens, I know what they are like but there are some things that you have to draw the line at.

Goodadvice1980 Sun 07-Apr-13 17:43:11

She needs to go, now. What a vile excuse for a human being.

Love the fact that the DM quote the house value!

Floralnomad Sun 07-Apr-13 17:43:14

bridget I take it that you're not gay or a traveller or from an ethnic minority because if you were I think you would think differently .

seeminglyso Sun 07-Apr-13 17:59:37

I do think its a bit of a piss take that the Daily Mail ran the story..pot and kettle!

ihearsounds Sun 07-Apr-13 18:00:11

She did NOT make these remarks a few years ago. What is so hard to understand. Some of these remarks have been made within the past few months.

Teenagers are not all vile, racist, bogots like this one. A lot are decent human beings who are caring etc. This one gives teens a bad name, and makes being a teen hard.

It is not just a few silly things that she has said in haste. It is vile things said repeatedly over a number of years. It is only now she is sorry.

Yes, people will look back in 50 years and hopefully have moved on from racism and bigotry. Neither of these belong in a civilized society.

Racism is not something that is minor. She made more than a few 'off colour' remarks.

Adults defending her, shows to her and others that its fine. I can say what I want. I can use racist terms and face no consequences for that.. That is a bad route to take, and sets back society to how it was.

ShellyBoobs Sun 07-Apr-13 18:01:58

If I said that to a traveller I would expect to get punched in the face.

Pressumably that's not because you view travellers as violent, though?

ihearsounds Sun 07-Apr-13 18:02:26

‘Been drinking since half 1 and riding baby walkers down the hall at work oh my god i have the best job ever haha

Would you really want this person looking after your child?

HollyBerryBush Sun 07-Apr-13 18:06:54

I've said it before and I'll say it again, language varies wildly across the country. Kent/South London and "pikey" is in common usage between most teenagers. It is the replacement term for "chav".

Oddly, down here, we tend to call travellers, well travellers. Even travellers use the term "pikey".

She's just a silly little girl who sadly has learned the hard way. That said, I cant see the point of her job, let alone paying £15K - which is fantastic wage in Maidstone for someone of her age.

But I'll giver her her due, she has apologised.

Tee2072 Sun 07-Apr-13 18:07:36

Do not compare it to McCarthyism. McCarthy broke the law to get his so called evidence. This is in the public domain.

limitedperiodonly Sun 07-Apr-13 18:08:29

Paris Brown is a silly girl who should go away.

Ann Barnes is the one who ought to be asked to consider her position for appointing her.

But then the post of Police and Crime Commissioner was always going to attract stupid people.

Whose bright idea was that again?

Stepissue Sun 07-Apr-13 18:12:05

What is her job? I mean the job the tweet is about, not this new one. Surely she wasn't a nursery nurse??!

StickEmUpPunk Sun 07-Apr-13 18:12:15

I cant understand how she can say they were taken out of context. How many different ways can the things she said be taken?
Se must have known what she meant i don't know why SOMEONE didn't wonder what was on her twitter before she was thrust into the public domain.

kim147 Sun 07-Apr-13 18:14:23

I'd have thought nowadays if you appoint someone to a public position. you Google them. How do you find someone's tweets and FB stuff though?

manticlimactic Sun 07-Apr-13 18:16:04

Her Twitter page has gone.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 07-Apr-13 18:19:44

I disagree actually that a grammar school/private school kid couldn't bring something to the job. I went to a grammar school and was hanging around shopping centres, getting into bother, etc. I joined the police cadets at 16 and spent 3 years helping to set up and run crime prevention type schemes aimed at local teens. I spent a lot of time running various clubs, etc getting to know the local teens. If you're approachable and have good communication skills you get accepted even if you have a different background.

I also think there will be plenty of teens from a less privileged background who wouldn't use homophobic and racist language.

Mainly I think it shows a gross error of judgement on the part of Ann Barnes for not checking her twitter and Facebook accounts before taking her on.

FrillyMilly Sun 07-Apr-13 18:23:20

I'm intrigued to know what her job was where she was drunk. The article says this 'Mrs Barnes said the teenager was currently on an apprenticeship and was working with young people on an outreach project. She said she wanted to get some qualifications before going on to university.' Surely even the most stupid of teens must know you shouldn't be drunk in work and if you are it's best not to tweet about it.

Viviennemary Sun 07-Apr-13 18:26:49

Absolutely. I could hardly believe it when I heard on TV. The fact that she will get this job is an insult to every decent hard working young person in the country. She must go.

Viviennemary Sun 07-Apr-13 18:29:57

She sounds a very nasty piece of work to me. The police must be mad to think she is going to improve things. Racist and homophobic. what exactly is she going to advise on.

I doubt that when she was posting that she was drunk and horny, that she was, teens do that for show, unfortunately. My 17 year old is a completely different girl than she was at 14 and would have posted stupid stuff, sometimes using slang. I have pulled her up when she has come across as "ist", teens can put things in a clumsy way and do like to show off. I think that this can be used to show teens how their behaviour can impact on their future. Is expecting the person who answers the phone in a local take away to be able to speak enough English to get an order right, racist? I don't know anything about Paris, but I don't think that she should be sacked based on what I read in that report. There was a contestant on Britain's Got Talent around the time that called herself a "Pikey" and it was used by the press. It would be a good way of her now addressing her use of that word and getting the importance of correct language.

kim147 Sun 07-Apr-13 18:39:21

She's on Channel 4 news soon.

navada Sun 07-Apr-13 18:47:06

Who is she?

pansyflimflam Sun 07-Apr-13 18:49:09

Yes she should go, immediately. The scousebrows and back-combed barnet alone should disqualify her

I really hope she does not speak for and represent teenagers in this country because if that is the standard as a rule then we are fucked. She is attention seeking and ignorant.

TiggyD Sun 07-Apr-13 18:54:07

"Everyone on Made in Chelsea looks like a fucking fag.”

Of course she should be sacked. If you were LGBT in Kent, would you have more trust in the police now, or less. I hope she changes and has a nice life, but I don't think she is able to represent the Police Service now.

FrillyMilly Sun 07-Apr-13 18:54:24

I grew up a lot between 14 and 17, I'm sure most people do. I used words at school that I'm not proud of and wouldn't use now (although not to the extent of this girl!). Surely though someone being paid money to do a public role should have had the foresight to delete unsavory tweets before they were picked up by the media.

I do think using the word pikey is not on and just because others do so does not make it acceptable especially when put in the context of 'will the pikeys stop nicking the train track metal'. The criticism of the takeaway staff being unable to speak English was not so eloquently put, she actually referred to them as 'illegals'.

DontSHOUTTTTTT Sun 07-Apr-13 18:54:37

I think she should go to. sad. There are so many great teenagers out there desperate for a job it seems a shame to give one to someone who clearly hasn't the maturity to do it justice.

expatinscotland Sun 07-Apr-13 18:57:38

I think she should be sacked and the entire role scrapped. What a stupid waste of money and time!

So her appearance should eliminate her then Pansy? So as long as the stereotyping is against a whole region (which happens to be Liverpool) and use that as an insult and the reason not to get a job, then that's ok.

pansyflimflam Sun 07-Apr-13 18:58:03

Mind you it is a bit of a modern parable abpout being careful what you write on the internet isn't it. I for one would never ever leave any trail of my own life using a real name. That is not to say I don't anonymously <ahem...> but facebook and a real name twitter is crazy....

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 18:59:17

navada it was explained on the first page

Viviennemary Sun 07-Apr-13 19:01:14

She reminds me of Vicki Pollard. In fact she'd probably be a better bet.

pansyflimflam Sun 07-Apr-13 19:02:12

Not eliminate her from a job no, her repugnant views are good enough on their own. But someone needs to have a word about the brows......... She looks a bloody state. I was being a ironic about the awful look but she looks awful and then wants to be taken seriously. The thing is I think that kind of commonly adopted look by young women was part of the attraction for choosing her, alos a non plummy accent to - essentially looking as if she is a 'resgulr' person. Posh kid from West Sussex who has ponies would not cut it I am sure.

But yes, for all those reasons she needs to go

pansyflimflam Sun 07-Apr-13 19:04:02

Expat is right though it should be scrapped, the role I mean it is just an exercise in looking as if they are listening.... PR spin and nothing more

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 19:06:17

Yeah, the job itself is probably pretty useless!

maddening Sun 07-Apr-13 19:09:17

I can't get that they have just accepted her "I didn't really mean it" excuse.

Chipstick10 Sun 07-Apr-13 19:09:54

I think she deserves a second chance. It's not like she wrote those tweets whilst in the job.
I don't know how she got the job in the 1 st place.
If she were my dd I'd be very disappointed at the words used
Those eyebrows needs sorting
And Keith Vaz is a pompous arse.

Gossipmonster Sun 07-Apr-13 19:12:27

Shellyboobs Erm no hmm

Didn't even cross my mind - like it did yours.

kim147 Sun 07-Apr-13 19:15:36

Channel 4 "Are you racist?"


I hope she's learnt something - and it sounds like she's had a busy day apologising. That's a lot for someone so young - the media need to be careful how they treat her.

hiddenhome Sun 07-Apr-13 19:15:54

She talks as though she's about 12
She looks like a scarecrow
She comes across like a silly little girl
She can't even spell
She has a low level of intelligence
She's a fool
She's immature
She has no idea of what she's supposed to be doing
She totally lacks credibility

She needs sacking hmm

I have an 8 year old boy who has more about him than this poor excuse for an individual.

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 19:16:39

kim147 I felt a bit bad when I watched her apology video in the BBC article... but my heartstrings are easily plucked

navada Sun 07-Apr-13 19:17:48

Growsomecress: Thank You!

pansyflimflam Sun 07-Apr-13 19:17:56

They let her off lightly with a young journalist who did not grill her. Just wait for the big boys, she cried afterwards but really she got off lightly. She is embarassed I don't think she actually gives a fuck. If you call people fags and niggers it is not done lightly, it is deliberately and obviously offensive. She needs to go.

stickingattwo Sun 07-Apr-13 19:25:48

YANBU - I don't care what age is she is/was the casual homophobia in her tweets are disgusting. Her argument that young people don't think that the word 'Faggot' is anti- gay is insulting to other teenagers. She's used racist and homophobic language ( personally I don't give a stuff about her claims about sex or personal drug use) and should get the boot. For me this isn't about the lessons to be learnt about social media usage - she's dumb as a box of rocks on that front obviously - but about the kind I person it has revealed her to be.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MarnieMadden Sun 07-Apr-13 19:29:52

She's not sorry that she posted such vile comments, just that she got found out about them.
Not a nice person obviously - for her to excuse her posts because she was only 14 when she wrote them, my son is 13 and there is no way on earth he would think like that, never mind on a public site.
She really has to go.

landofsoapandglory Sun 07-Apr-13 19:30:39

She absolutely should be sacked immediately.

I have two teenaged boys (18&16), neither were racist, homophobic bigots at 12, or 14. Had they have tweeted anything even close to what she had tweeted I would have made them delete it immediately and come down on them like a tonne of bricks.

There are a lot of intelligent, hard working, well behaved teenagers out there who would be brilliant at the job if it were necessary, but I don't think it is necessary TBH.

MarnieMadden Sun 07-Apr-13 19:36:46

She is just going to reinforce a lot of people's beliefs that this is what teenagers are like. She has done the people she is representing no favours at all.

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 19:44:39

Lunatic I did actually think the person sitting next to her was her mum at first!

sue52 Sun 07-Apr-13 20:01:58

Wasn't Prince Harry smoking dope as a teenager to say nothing of dressing up as a Nazi and making racist remarks towards a fellow soldier. If we can forgive him with all his advantages, can't we give a young girl a bit of leeway?

Viviennemary Sun 07-Apr-13 20:07:38

She's a silly immature little idiot at best. And has no business to be in this job. Employing somebody like this is absolutely going to do the police no good whatsoever. It's a mad idea that has gone badly wrong already. The whole idea should be abandoned as a mistake.

seeminglyso Sun 07-Apr-13 20:10:09

I dont 'forgive' Harry..a good reason if ever there was one for a republic!

MooMooSkit Sun 07-Apr-13 20:12:39

I think it's a bit of a cop out people saying lots of girls are like that at that age, and a bit unfair too really. I have a few people her age on my FB, twitters from work and they are all really decant girls who don't tweet/fb stuff like that and she should really know better anyway! Pikey is defintely racist but agree with what someone said, it is a fairly common term and it seems to be brushed off as "not" racist but it is though I get the impression lots of kids don't see it as that. Also tweeting about how horny you are at that age shocked me a bit, not saying it's not normal to feel horny at that age but tweeting about it really?! Is that ever OK to tweet how horny you are?! weird!

netyoda Sun 07-Apr-13 20:12:49

Anne Barnes should be sacked for appointing this moron and standing by her hateful outbursts.

sue52 Sun 07-Apr-13 20:14:13

seeminglyso it seems so unfair to have one rule for him and another for a media unsavvy girl from Sheerness.

seeminglyso Sun 07-Apr-13 20:15:58

I don't I have the same rule for both!

Neither do I. Why the assumption that we are rampant royalists?

SoftKittyWarmKitty Sun 07-Apr-13 20:20:38

With all the people unemployed in this country, they could have picked a candidate who was much more suited to the role. Someone mature (in nature, I mean, not necessarily age), non-racist, non-homophobic, unbigoted, personable and educated.

Paris comes across as a silly little girl. No way is she the best candidate for this role.

sue52 Sun 07-Apr-13 20:51:36

I'm not assuming that at all. I just hate to see a young girl hung out to dry.

Feminine Sun 07-Apr-13 20:57:21

I couldn't believe her voice when I heard her on the radio last week, she sounds totally uneducated!

And now these tweets...

How on earth did she get the job?

Chipstick10 Sun 07-Apr-13 21:07:56

Yes I asked the same thing feminine. I'm quite perplexed as to how she got the job in the first place. What? Your telling me she was the best candidate for the post? Hard to believe. Anne Barnes seems really taken with her, she luffs her and is mighty protective of her. Maybe like mr poppy in nativity (The film ) she might be related to mrs Barnes.

I agree with Bridgetbidet - better to have a teen who actually reflects the majority of teens (when not putting on their adult-facing personas), warts and all, than a high achiever who is exceptional and therefore not representative of most teenagers.

janey68 Sun 07-Apr-13 21:21:18

I think NOT being a bigoted homophobic racist is a requirement of the role actually, and a hell of a lot more relevant than whether someone went to comp or a grammar school. Quite frankly there are plenty of teenagers about who might be 'low achievers' academically but have common sense and decency

Frankly I find it really patronising that a few posters seem to think it had to be toss up between a high achieving teen who wouldn't be 'in touch' enough to represent teenagers, or a nasty piece of work who is 'down with the kids'. That's utter nonsense. I've absolutely no doubt you could walk into any state school in the UK and find someone better than her.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm Sun 07-Apr-13 21:35:38

For Gods sake....Couldn't they just have appointed someone.....a bit more middle class....Nasty hair, horrid eyebrows,uneducated voice.....Good job the mumsnet massive doesn't stereotype.... wink

K8Middleton Sun 07-Apr-13 21:36:48

I am going to stick up for Ann Barnes. She used to be a teacher in a secondary modern school in Kent so I imagine she is very protective of this young woman because she know about kids and the stupid things they do. She's also been a magistrate and chaired the body that preceded police commissioners so this role is one she is more qualified for than most.

Paris Brown should probably resign but until she does I think Ms Barnes has been fair in her comments and her support.

Just as an aside, my friends who she taught at school were always shit scared of her but respected her. I went to the grammar so she didn't teach me.

K8Middleton Sun 07-Apr-13 21:38:47

On and I doubt very much she is related to Ann Barnes. Actually that's a very funny suggestion grin

janey68 Sun 07-Apr-13 21:47:01

I can see why Anne Barnes feels she has to take the line of being supportive, but she also needs to make clear that those
Comments were indefensible. Paris brown needs to go because no one can behave as she has and have any credibility in a public position. This is a publicly funded post... What does it say about our society if we are supporting someone in this post of office who holds those views? I think what society needs to be saying is 'we want someone representative (so yes, definitely state school and preferably from a comp) and it doesn't particularly matter if they are high, middle or low achieving BUT they must have credibility and integrity. Those are the prerequisites. Paris Brown has neither. It would be a really positive important statement IMO for her to be replaced with someone else. Hopefully she's got the guts to stand down, otherwise she should be dismissed.

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 21:48:04

I read somewhere that there were 140 applicants for the job! Or something around that

Floralnomad Sun 07-Apr-13 22:02:49

I read somewhere that there were 1500 applicants. I think at the moment she is working for Swale Council in some capacity .

Eurostar Sun 07-Apr-13 22:09:14

She presumably is a product of her environment - tweeting this sort of stuff for years without censure; she was so unaware that it was offensive to many that she had not even thought to have the account closed down. She will have learnt the bitter, blaming anger from the adults and peers around her and it is sad I think what she said that she tweets because she gets wound up and doesn't know of any other way to express herself.

I expect we will see her now in some sort of reality TV similar to Jade Goody being sent to India to learn that people who do not look/dress/act/eat the same as you are still human and there to be put down to make you feel better about yourself.

Not fair to be so nasty about her hair and eyebrows, I see this look all the time in young women from certain areas. Brainwashed to think that the looks of Katie Price etc. are to be aspired to, no one to teach them to value themselves for other reasons than looking like one of the crowd.

janey68 Sun 07-Apr-13 22:21:54

Yes, I agree the comments about her looks are below the belt.
I honestly think the right thing is that she goes though.
Trying to step back and look objectively, if this job is going to have any credibility (and I think many people doubt the worth of the role to begin with) then its got to be a young person who other people will have faith in.

Sadly, no matter how much Paris brown apologises and regrets it, the damage is done. Get rid of her now, and she'll fade back into obscurity pretty fast, leaving someone fresh to do the job. If she stays, she'll be tarnished by what she did, and that will affect everything.

So if they are serious about making this role viable, she has to go

GrowSomeCress Sun 07-Apr-13 22:23:08

Just looked and according to BBC it was 164 applicants.

TheCrackFox Sun 07-Apr-13 22:30:49

Just seen her on the news and she seems incredibly immature for her age and I think they have made a huge mistake in hiring her. She will be on a probationary period so they don't need to sack her just let her go.

I think with the economy being in the toilet the whole role should be scrapped.

janey68 Mon 08-Apr-13 07:15:34

FWIW I think Ann Barnes came across well on the news this morning- She's not attempting to defend the tweets at all, and admitted they are disgusting. However, I believe where she is wrong is in thinking Paris can come back from this in that public role. She may well be remorseful but part of Her remorse should be having the good grace to put the ROLE before herself and step down

Many people are already sceptical about the value of the role, so to succeed there needs to be someone in it who isn't starting from a Position of causing offence.

The thing which really bugs me is that some people are trying to make a class issue out of it, suggesting that it's not her fault and that someone from a 'better' school etc would not have done it but also wouldn't have her skills to do the job
Bollocks. I am sure there are thousands of people from a similar background to Paris who find her racist and homophobic comments vile. Equally there are kids from private schools who write offensive stuff. It's not a class issue - its about basic human intelligence and respect, which people of all academic ability and class background are capable of having.

Paris brown needs to go and let someone else do the job.

SideshoBob Mon 08-Apr-13 07:41:01

What is the actual point of the job she got anyway? 15k a year is an extraordinary amount for someone who was 16 when turned 17 a few days ago.

It seem's to me its just a ploy to make it look like the police are doing something to engage with the youth, rather than, you know, actually doing something useful. That 15k could go to a youth club and i'm sure it'd prevent more crime than this job role every will. A expensive publicity stunt that's backfired.

shellbu Mon 08-Apr-13 07:47:56

people change , no one can judge a person by what they did at 14 , im sure no one here would want to be judged by things they said or did at 14 !

MaryMotherOfCheeses Mon 08-Apr-13 08:35:21

What exactly is the job?

Fwiw, I agree that is this is about creating a link between police and young people who are getting into trouble frequently with the law, then that person may not have the prettiest of backgrounds.

But I haven't seen anything about what the role actually is.

ihearsounds Mon 08-Apr-13 08:44:33

Shell, some of the vile comments she made were made 2 weeks ago. She was not 14, but almost 17. She had already applied for the position and was still making vile comments.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Mon 08-Apr-13 08:52:12

She's not going to resign! She's 17and being paid 15k pa...

ExcuseTypos Mon 08-Apr-13 08:56:23

I didn't know that ihearsounds. I thought the tweets were years old.

I do think, whatever happens, that the press should back off. She's only just 17, people should remember that.

Some of the comments on this thread referring to what she looks like are below the belt too.

WileyRoadRunner Mon 08-Apr-13 08:58:42

I am going to stick up for Ann Barnes. She used to be a teacher in a secondary modern school in Kent so I imagine she is very protective of this young woman because she know about kids and the stupid things they do

So then K8Middleton if Ann Barnes know so much about teenagers already why does she need to pay someone £15k for this "job"?

Paris Brown is not reflective of the majority of teenagers and I think it is insulting and maybe shows how out of touch Ann Barnes is to have appointed her and promote her as such.

shellbu Mon 08-Apr-13 09:02:09

ihearsounds i never knew it was a few weeks ago she was making comments , i thought it was tweets from when she was at school .

ihearsounds Mon 08-Apr-13 09:11:26

I also think it is another slap in the face for all the decent teens out there. They sit in school day in day out, doing their best to be decent pupils. They go about their daily lives without getting into trouble, without making homophobic, racist comments. They don't drink or smoke. Yet all they see is trouble makers getting treats in school (special days out etc), youth centres that target troubled teens and send them on the holiday camps (youth centre local to me does this).. And this person has been making these public comments and gets this cushty job at a time that her peers cannot even get a part time job, despite being model citizens.

If she made a handful of comments, it might be different. But it is being reported that she made thousands of them.

Yes teens exaggerate. But making racist and homophobic comments is not an exaggeration.

It actually wouldn't suprise me if the next installment of this, is that either Paris and Ann are related, or Ann is a close friend of the family. It wouldn't be the first time that someone in a senior position has given employment to friends and family.

AmberLeaf Mon 08-Apr-13 10:41:00

I've said it before and I'll say it again, language varies wildly across the country. Kent/South London and "pikey" is in common usage between most teenagers. It is the replacement term for "chav

I disagree there, all the teens I know in London know that 'pikey' is offensive and don't use it.

It may well be in 'common usage' between the young bigots though.

I think there must have been a better candidate for the job and it is insulting to say that she is representative of todays youth.

Floralnomad Mon 08-Apr-13 11:29:03

The 15k salary comes out of Ann Barnes 85k salary so that's irrelevant . I think it was a good idea ,they've just picked the wrong person and if she has any sense she will resign .

DoesBuggerAll Mon 08-Apr-13 11:41:00

She sounds quite erudite. Pikey comes from the Latin, pika pika, which is the name for Magpie. A reference to the travelling community's liking for shiny objects.

DoesBuggerAll Mon 08-Apr-13 11:43:50

Oh, and I don't think I know a single person who doesn't use the word pikey when referring to the travelling community. This word is used across all generations and is one of the more polite words used. Just telling it how it is.

BackforGood Mon 08-Apr-13 12:05:18

Really Does ? I don't know who you mix with, but I've never heard anyone use it in RL.

Surely this £15K per year, would be better spent on Youth Workers, who, when the police want to "talk to the youth" , would be able to introduce them to a wide range of young people from ALL backgrounds.

I think it's awful they public money is being spent on someone who holds such views.

janey68 Mon 08-Apr-13 12:12:11

Erudite? Really? So you believe she thought about the latin origins and decided lt was an appropriate term to use? You are joking right? All language has its origins somewhere, all racist insults developed from somewhere and in many cases were not considered offensive to begin with
If she were genuinely erudite she might realise that this is the 21st century

crossparsley Mon 08-Apr-13 12:18:48

It doesn't come from the Latin for magpie and your hilarious explanation for why it does could well be considered highly offensive. Pike (and related turnpike, etc) is a very old word connected to roads and travelling, which has lasted longer in the US than here. Since in the UK "pikey" is now almost only used uncharitably, and against the clear objections of those to whom it's applied, then the only defence for using it is ignorance of those objections. I hope someone has managed to explain to this young woman why it's not on.

I don't think it's on to comment on her appearance.

Bridgetbidet Mon 08-Apr-13 12:36:00

She's a teenager. She did the type of silly thing teenagers do. She's not Hitler, she's not sending 'pikeys' to gas chambers. Christ, the poor girl. She's been public branded a racist and homophobe for life for something she did whilst still a child.

Honestly, these type of witch hunts are more and more common, but this one is someone who is barely more than a child and the actions she is being criticised for took place when she WAS a child (2011) people persecuting her for this are more bloody evil than a child who came out with a few stupid comments in my opinion.

But we live in a world now where if you don't tow party line all the time you'll be persecuted. Even if you are a child. Didn't even Stalin draw the line at persecuting children or did the go to gulags too?

Tethering Mon 08-Apr-13 12:39:23

She has to resign and actually they are doing her a disservice to let her remain in the post. She will be hounded.

Despite her completely objectionable views, she is still a vulnerable teen and the people that appointed her should have checked her online persona before choosing her. She let herself down and they've let her down by letting her remain in the post.

As for the 'pikey' debate, it is a racist term and just as offensive as all the other racist terms. Sadly, being bigoted against travellers seems to be one of the last forms of acceptable racism.

Chelvis Mon 08-Apr-13 12:40:02

I used to work with teens and no, I don't think she is representative - certainly not with the racist comments. Using the word 'gay' to mean bad, whilst unacceptable, I would forgive her for, because it's in such wide useage among teens that she could reasonably think it's acceptable .... the word fag though is another thing, that's very nasty.

I know so many bright, insightful, positive teens, some of them from pretty terrible backgrounds - why not one of them? She surely cannot have been the best applicant?????!

AmberLeaf Mon 08-Apr-13 13:37:58

Oh, and I don't think I know a single person who doesn't use the word pikey when referring to the travelling community. This word is used across all generations and is one of the more polite words used. Just telling it how it is

What delightful company you must keep.

BalloonSlayer Mon 08-Apr-13 13:47:13

Oh, and I don't think I know a single person who doesn't use the word pikey when referring to the travelling community. This word is used across all generations and is one of the more polite words used. Just telling it how it is

Hello, my name is Balloonslayer, and now you know me, and I would never use that word.

It is considered extremely racist and offensive by the travellers I know.

This makes me furious. This person is in a position to be a role model for teenagers, if she is allowed to keep her job what message does that send.
The recruitment process for a position which was going to be very high profile was clearly very flawed to have not picked up on this.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm Mon 08-Apr-13 14:05:51

Have all the haters on this thread actually ever sat near a group of 16- 17 year olds in McDonalds, and listened to them ? Not generally a particularly uplifting experience........... wink

K8Middleton Mon 08-Apr-13 14:17:03

Erm because Ann Barnes is a woman in her late 60s and not a teenager maybe Wiley? Any way you miss my point, which was in response to the criticism of Ms Barnes. As it happens I haven't formed an opinion on whether the role Paris Brown was going to do is needed. I just don't think it's fair to tar Ms Barnes with the same brush as PB or criticise her for standing by her - I don't see how she can't.

I expect behind the scenes PB is being urged to resign. I think that's the best course of action in the circumstances.

CalamityKate Mon 08-Apr-13 14:23:12

What a revolting little creature she is. Of course she should be sacked. Horrid.

Feminine Mon 08-Apr-13 15:00:38


I am in the lucky position of having a teen myself , and having teen siblings!

I haven't heard them talk in the way Paris tweeted...and they post some shock things.

I do get what you are saying, but she comes across as a rather special breed of madam IMO.

MrsMelons Mon 08-Apr-13 15:09:40

At first I thought we shouldn't really judge people on things they have said at age 14 etc but actually as horrible a teenager as I was I was not rascist etc or would not have publically said some of those things (its quite hard to judge as FB and twitter weren't around then).

I am now not 100% sure I feel that way as it wasn't really that long ago but if she really is not like that now why not give her the opportunity to prove herself.

I in two minds TBH but am surprised they did not check her FB and twitter accounts first, I always do when I employ someone!

EldritchCleavage Mon 08-Apr-13 15:10:26

Well, it isn't just about using the word pikey is it? One of the tweets (a recent one, as far as I know) joked about how she became racist and various other things when she was drunk. She thinks acting racist is funny? How on earth is she going to have credibility as a liaison between police and young people with that attitude?

MrsMelons Mon 08-Apr-13 15:14:06

Just to add, I never knew pikey was racist before MN as round here it is used quite a lot and not towards travellers. Chav is also used a lot but they are both used in jest really. I must say I don't really use terms like those unless it was a joke to a close friend, she says I am a chav for using Asda, she shops in Waitrose. I never thought anything of it but I am very aware of it now of course.

14 year olds use words even if they don't know what they mean or how offensive they are. I have heard 5 YOs calling each other gay and when quizzed they have no idea what it actually means!

MrsMelons Mon 08-Apr-13 15:15:18

I have googled a bit more about her, I am definitely not sure - she doesn't come across that well.

janey68 Mon 08-Apr-13 17:28:09

The comments about posters being 'haters' on some kind of McCarthy witch hunt are over egging it a tad- I don't hate the girl, I just think she's a pathetic and not very bright person who's made some bloody awful remarks and now needs to have the balls to stand down and let someone else do the job. If its a job which is going to be of any value

DoesBuggerAll Mon 08-Apr-13 17:31:47

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EldritchCleavage Mon 08-Apr-13 17:35:24

Riiight, ok.

Repost that bilge replacing 'pikey' with 'nigger' or 'Paki' or 'Jew'. Still happy with your post?

AmberLeaf Mon 08-Apr-13 17:37:05

I went to school with and lived near Travellers. [still live near some now]

I disagree with you wholeheartedly.

I would never use the term pikey for the same reasons I wouldn't use the term nigger or paki.

No mock indignation here.

AmberLeaf Mon 08-Apr-13 17:38:03

Eldritch, doesbuggerall probably would be as happy to use those terms.

thebody Mon 08-Apr-13 17:39:22

What I don't get is that her posts on drug taking and getting drunk are 'old'!!!! She's only a kid now? So was she drunk at 14? Ye gods.

DoesBuggerAll Mon 08-Apr-13 17:49:26

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gabsid Mon 08-Apr-13 17:52:49

They said her comments were 'out of context'. I can't think of any context those comments would not be really terrible. And I didn't see it as an apology but only an excuse. I believe she has lost her credibility and if they still imployed her without thorough investigation of her character then it sends out the message that it is OK to say stuff like that.

True, they need somebody who can interact with young people. True, young people make mistakes (and old people) and say stupid stuff but such attitudes cannot be tolerated in anyone.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Mon 08-Apr-13 17:55:49

It's upsetting and wrong and extremely problematic to suggest this is just 'normal teenage behaviour'. There are some racist horrible teenagers, of course, but it's not right to suggest this is normal behaviour.

There are plenty of lovely, bright, non-racist teenagers out there: I think she needs to be sacked in favour of one of them.

paintyourbox Mon 08-Apr-13 18:01:59

I am all for second chances but her actions were racist/homophobic/irresponsible.

Everyone says stupid things, I know I did when I was a teenager: " I hate yooooou, no one understands meeeee," etc but there's a line that's been crossed in this situation.

I was brought up to recognise that we are all equal regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation. Making comments to suggest otherwise would never, ever have been tolerated.

And yeah, some of today's teens do talk about shocking subjects but I have never heard any racism or homosexuality from the teens in the town where I live.

Tethering Mon 08-Apr-13 18:06:56

DoesBuggerAll I've lived beside travellers and work with them. They are no more likely to steal or be anti-social than anyone else. They all pay taxes. They're involved in the travelling community and their local community. They raise hundreds of thousands for charity each year.

You might want to reconsider your language as: (a) it is offensive and b) people have been charged for using exactly that terminology

You may think your comments have no effects but bullying of traveller children has increased to the levels of the 1960's in the last two years partly because of TV programmes like My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding and partly due to ignorant commenters like yourself.

crossparsley Mon 08-Apr-13 18:44:52

does I haven't got a mock-outraged high horse. I'm not outraged or mock-outraged. But if you would like to retain civil respect in future (MANNERS!) you might want to accept that lots of people think one of the words you use is entirely arsey.

PS, "pica pica" is not "Latin" for magpie. It's a binomial, as invented by Linnaeus in the C18th and developed since, borrowing from the actual Latin for jay or magpie, which is pica. so really do stop trying to be a smartarse, 15 minutes on the internet would shore up the first syllable.

NadiaWadia Mon 08-Apr-13 18:48:10

She sound really unpleasant, racist, homophobic and thick. She even admits to being racist.

Was she really the best candidate for the job? There must be something going on here we don't know about. Why was she chosen out of 164 applicants when there are so many decent kids out there?

She should certainly be sacked. OK, she is very young, but she chose to put herself in the public eye and has a responsibility to represent the whole community, which due to her vile opinions she obviously can't.

McBalls Tue 09-Apr-13 15:43:52

She has resigned now.

TiggyD Tue 09-Apr-13 15:57:48

In that case she's done something right. Hopefully she'll carry on doing the right things in life and turn out lovely.

McBalls Tue 09-Apr-13 16:00:49

I agree.
I think Ann Barnes made a massive cock-up and it should be on her shoulders.
Paris Brown has, hopefully, learnt a huge lesson and I hope she is now left alone.

K8Middleton Tue 09-Apr-13 16:11:55

Nah it's all just the usual politics. The senior politician stands Hythe disgraced person while stating the comments/actions are abhorrent while in the background pressure is put on the disgraced to resign. It cannot be played out any other way without greater risk to reputation.

It's always the same. This is no different and I think Ann Barnes' team need a bollocking for not doing due diligence but I think AB's played this as well as she could. She'll do her job well I reckon.

K8Middleton Tue 09-Apr-13 16:12:49

by the not Hythe!

Viviennemary Tue 09-Apr-13 16:36:52

I think it was more a case of being forced into resigning rather than the job offer being withdrawn. I don't for a minute think she has done this willingly. Judging by her performances at the weekend.

They could hardly have found somebody more unsuitable if they'd tried.

PostmanPatricia Tue 09-Apr-13 16:40:48

the lesson here is that Ann Barnes is an idiot, and Police Commissioners are a waste of money.

Pigsmummy Tue 09-Apr-13 16:49:47

She resigned, she needed to and hopefully it might make the youngsters of today realise that social networking can have a damaging effect on your career.

ComposHat Tue 09-Apr-13 17:00:45

She should have never been appointed in the first place, it smacks of tokenism and a publicity stunt by the police commissioner (they are a waste of time too but that's another point) that has backfired in spectacular style.

My only sadness us that this will be used by the Daily Mail et al to cast all yoing people in a negative light.

What was she going to do for 40 hours a week? How much weekly advice eould you need? Why does this one girl get to speak for all youmg people in Kent?

moodymai Tue 09-Apr-13 17:02:30

ihearsounds good points

moodymai Tue 09-Apr-13 17:06:29

"I also think it is another slap in the face for all the decent teens out there. They sit in school day in day out, doing their best to be decent pupils. They go about their daily lives without getting into trouble, without making homophobic, racist comments. They don't drink or smoke. Yet all they see is trouble makers getting treats in school (special days out etc), youth centres that target troubled teens and send them on the holiday camps (youth centre local to me does this).. And this person has been making these public comments and gets this cushty job at a time that her peers cannot even get a part time job, despite being model citizens. "

Well said, ihearsounds

Blissx Tue 09-Apr-13 17:16:31

No doubt we will now see Paris Brown on Big Brother or some other reality show. It's a shame as young people really need to understand that they have documented pretty much their whole lives on Social Media and they could be harming themselves in the future when it comes to Job interviews etc.

MsBella Wed 10-Apr-13 02:43:04

If she's grown up and changed as understands she's wrong then id forget it

And yes pikey is racist its just as bad as nigger and paki maybe worse is some cases

sashh Wed 10-Apr-13 04:33:18

I pulled a teenager up on using a racist word in class (couple of years ago now) and she used it again so I challenged her again.

Eventually I told her to stop using the word as it said more about her than the person she was talking about.

Then she asked me what word she should use instead. She genuinely didn't know the word she was using was racist.

And this was a nice girl, nice family, worked hard, handed in homework etc.

Exactly the kind of teenager you want if you have teenagers.

Taken out of context you would assume she was racist.

Teenagers, even intelligent, hard working ones make stupid mistakes and say stupid things.

Every year colleges/schools up and down the country tell students to use their college e-mail on UCAS forms, not 'sexysusie' or 'JohnwithamassivedickBrown'

I think Paris Brown should be given a chance.

pansyflimflam Wed 10-Apr-13 07:06:40

She has resigned

FanjoForTheMammaries Wed 10-Apr-13 07:30:36

Glad she did.

If you are going to be youth representative you have to represent all equally and not hold bigoted views against gays or travellers or anyone else.

pansyflimflam Thu 11-Apr-13 14:32:14

The just waited for her to announce it after Thatcher died so it would be buried in the deluge of Thatcher navel gazing. Good riddance to her and the bad idea it was in the first place.

x2boys Thu 11-Apr-13 14:56:54

Interestingley i was chatting to my line manager yesterday about this and she has resigned now we both thought she had been treated quite harshley considering she was between 14-16 when she made these comments and thankgod the internet was nt around when i was that age all the crap i came out with my line manager is indian heritage and a muslim and he did nt consider her comments paticularly racist just a bit immature!

LaQueen Thu 11-Apr-13 15:02:03

I always totally failed to see the point in her anyway?

Just an empty, showy token gesture...staged by officials wanting to appear dahn wiv da kids, yeah...

Painfully, painfully contrived and humiliatingly embarrassing for all concerned.

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