in saying that a child I know who only has very limited vision, blind?

(78 Posts)
Alliwantisaroomsomewhere Fri 05-Apr-13 14:25:04

For all intents and purposes the little girl is in my opinion, blind. She has extremely limited peripheral vision in one eye only, the other eye being a prosthesis.

When I said that she was blind, someone corrected me by saying "visually impaired". Genuine question: is it rude to call someone blind? Is it an offensive term??

AIBU to call someone blind when they are exactly that??

Alliwantisaroomsomewhere Fri 05-Apr-13 14:27:51

ARGH! sorry for the typo in the title! I was trying to ask "Is it unreasonable to call a person who is severely visually impaired, blind?"

WilsonFrickett Fri 05-Apr-13 14:28:47

There is, I believe, a specific definition of how bad someone's eyesight has to be before they can be called blind, as in not all visually-impaired people are blind, IYSWIM? Maybe that's what she meant?

greenfolder Fri 05-Apr-13 14:29:06

i dont think so at all, but do not have dc with the problem.

i do, however, have a bil that went blind with diabetes. on all of his medical records it says visually impaired.

on one of his numerous hospital admissions i put a huge sign on his bed that said " i am blind"

after numerous instances of him being left food and not told, not being helped to the bathroom etc etc etc. sometimes the term VI is not enough, even in a sodding hospital

Plumpcious Fri 05-Apr-13 14:30:01

If she has some sight then 'visually impaired' is a more appropriate description. She may well be registered blind though.

HoHoHoNoYouDont Fri 05-Apr-13 14:30:42

Perhaps she's one of those annoying people who just likes to correct people. They annoy the hell out of me, patronising swines.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 05-Apr-13 14:31:05

YANBU. A friend of mine is just like this. She calls herself blind.

Visually impaired, that could be anything. I'm visually impaired; I have a very strong prescription in my glasses. Without glasses I am effectively blind, unless I hold something literally an inch from my eyes.

I suppose this might be a political correctness thing, but it's AIBU so I'm sure someone will come along and tell me it's not. smile

TroublesomeEx Fri 05-Apr-13 14:32:19

I don't know.

My daughter is 'hearing impaired'. She refers to herself as 'deaf'.

I think that hearing impaired is more accurate because she can hear, but it's impaired.

But the National Deaf Children's Society use deaf to describe all children with hearing impairment whether or not is it is temporary/permanent and corrected or not.

I don't have a problem with her being referred to as deaf.

So is it that someone didn't feel it was an accurate description of the level of her sight loss or is it that someone objected to the use of the word 'blind' at all.

Alliwantisaroomsomewhere Fri 05-Apr-13 14:34:21

Yes, WilsonF, I see what you mean - not all VI are blind, but THIS little girl can see extremely little so she may well be registered blind when she is older.

Greenfolder, that's bloody disgraceful what happened to you BIL!

I have only recently started working with the little girl so lots of things are new to me. I would hate to say the wrong thing hence my question. I was also concerned it was a matter of political correctness, Greeneggs!

VI/visual impairement is the 'correct' term these days. I stick to it as I know it won't cause offence, 'blind' is unlikely to might just might.

BruthasTortoise Fri 05-Apr-13 14:37:35

It depends on whether the child is actually blind or not. If she is severely visually impaired then she is severely visually impaired, if she is blind, she is blind. I think if she is severely visually impaired but has some sight she could be registered as legally blind but not actually be completely blind iyswim.

Blu Fri 05-Apr-13 14:42:18

I know about 3 people who are visually impaired (including 2 gude dog users) and they call themselves visually impaired.

MooncupGoddess Fri 05-Apr-13 14:42:18

I think 'visually impaired' is more accurate, as she can presumably see a bit of movement etc. Lots of people assume that 'blind' means someone has no vision at all or can only see light and dark so it is potentially confusing in this case.

As always in these situations, though, it really depends what term the girl and her parents prefer to use.

TallyGrenshall Fri 05-Apr-13 14:43:24

My Dad is severely visually impaired (detatched retina, glaucoma, tunnel vision, no night sight, very limited periphal vision) carries a white stick but he hates being called blind. He says that he can see, not much but he can see so he is not blind

I suppose it depends on what the person perfers

happyfrogger Fri 05-Apr-13 14:46:18

Same situation as Folkgirl.

My daughter is hearing impaired / deaf. Sometimes it feels like I'm being a bit precious if I've referred to the fact as my DD as 'HI' - it can be far easier to just say she's deaf. It often depends on who the conversation is, why they need to know and what mood I'm in smile.

I will often get unfairly narky when people ask me if my daughter is deaf and respond with 'no, she has hearing aids so she can hear, she just needs help.' (usually only when preceded with 'oh what a shame')

Whilst there may be specific 'limits' at what point someone is classified as blind (I don't know), I find it's a personal preference IME of how people like to refer to themselves.

In answer to your question, it probably depends on the context of your conversation and who you were talking to.

GreenEggsAndNichts Fri 05-Apr-13 14:46:57

yes Tally I think that about sums it up. Use the term the person is happy with.

I think 'blind' is a quick way to alert people to the condition. My friend tells new acquaintances she's blind so they know to alert her when they see her in town. She's not completely blind, but I don't know the particulars. It's not really my business; 'blind' was a good enough explanation for me. grin

Moominsarehippos Fri 05-Apr-13 14:46:58

With eyesight, you can be 'blind' and have some 'sight' (shadows, colours...).

It sounds a bit 'PC' to say visually impared. My sister can't see out of one eye at all, so is blind in that eye, not 'visually impared', although overall, she is probably visually impared.

If you tell someone that you are blind (or have a degree of blindness), rather than visually impared, you won't get the follow up tedious question 'so what can you see?' 'Can you see that over there?' 'Can you read' etc etc etc. Doesn't colour blindness come under 'visual imparement'?

PenelopePipPop Fri 05-Apr-13 14:48:49

I think both terms are correct for some people some of the time. So as others have said it really depends on what the little girl and/or her parents feel is a better description.

I have epilepsy and hate the word fit being applied to my seizures. I don't have convulsions. I have complex partial seizures which mean I stop talking and sometimes behave oddly. Calling that a fit seems weird to me and I feel quite sensitive about it (I wouldn't be rude to anyone who made the error the first time, but family and friends know to use the word seizure not fit). I know people who have convulsions who much prefer the word 'fit' to 'seizure' because it more accurately describes their experiences and obviously I would respect that if talking about them.

I think it would matter if she herself (or her family) is upset at the term 'blind' - you might be, you might almost use the term 'visually impaired' to cling to the little sight you had left.

Otherwise - I suppose it's possible the person you were talking to was thinking of a situation where it'd matter? Eg. if she could see light and dark but not shapes, that could matter in some circumstances.

Or perhaps they were just being a bit picky. Dunno.

Frettchen Fri 05-Apr-13 14:49:39

It's tricky; 'blind' is a much more widely recognised term than 'visually impaired' or 'partially sighted'.

I work for a disability charity and we often talk about 'blind and partially sighted people', so I would generally call the girl the OP was referring to 'partially sighted'. But we do use 'visually impaired' just as much, especially within the organisation.

Calling someone 'blind' isn't offensive if they are blind, but as this girl has some vision left, even if it is very little, maybe she/her parents would prefer to use the term 'visually impaired'.

It's probably a matter of preference. Some people might object to 'blind', especially if they do have some retained vision.

weblette Fri 05-Apr-13 14:50:48

My sister is a rehab officer for a large charity working with visually impaired students. She never uses the term 'blind' as it isn't factually correct. VI more accurately describes their varying degrees of sight.

Naoko Fri 05-Apr-13 14:55:09

Well it's inaccurate, she's not blind, she has some vision. I don't know if YABU though because I'd always use the term the person (or in the case of a very young child, the parents) themselves prefers.

My best friend is very severely visually impaired. Like the little girl you know she has one prosthetic and extremely limited vision in the other eye. She's fine with being described as 'visually impaired' or 'almost blind', but not with 'blind', because she isn't.

trinity0097 Fri 05-Apr-13 15:03:34

Not unite the same, but I worked in a school with a unit for the hearing impaired, and one of the previous pupils now worked for the school, he was quite happy to be called deaf rather hearing impaired. We always had 'deaf mince pies' around Christmas where the deaf children would bake mince pies to sell in the staff room for a deaf charity abroad.

Personally for me impaired to me means that you have some vision/hearing, so I need strong glasses and might say that I'm visually impaired not blind as I can see, but if someone has really bad eyesight then they are blind not impaired.

I think that often the people who have the disability don't really care, but it's others who get all PC about what to call it/them.

TheChaoGoesMu Fri 05-Apr-13 16:43:04

She's not blind, she has a visual impairment. So you would be unreasonable to call her blind. Unless that is how she wants it described.

I did an Audio Description course and the terminology used was "visually impaired" and "visually impaired person" (VIP). I don't think the word "blind" is considered offensive amongst the VI community though.

On the other hand, "hearing impaired" IS offensive to the Deaf BSL using community.

Alliwantisaroomsomewhere Fri 05-Apr-13 19:16:01

Thanks, everyone. This is my first dealing with a person who has a visual impairment and I wanted to make sure that I Did The Right Thing! Or at the very least, that I did not come across as a bumbling oaf who did not know better.

firesidechat Fri 05-Apr-13 19:20:47

My parents have been blind most of their lives, call themselves blind and have never had a problem with anyone using that term.

There was a system of registration for sight impairment. You could be registered as blind or partially sighted, but not sure if that exists now. My mum has always been blind and my dad was partially sighted for a few years until he too was registered blind.

I think people who are trying to be polically correct may see possible offense where none exists. To be honest it's sometimes hard to keep up with what is an acceptable term and what is suddenly considered rude. As far as I can see you were being reasonable in using the word blind.

Guide dogs (my mum has one) still call themselves Guide Dogs for the Blind, by the way.

firesidechat Fri 05-Apr-13 19:23:18

Just read your post again OP and wanted to add that my dad has had a false eye since childhood and has severe scarring in the other eye, so very much like the girl you mention. He is blind rather than partially sighted.

PigeonPie Fri 05-Apr-13 19:25:54

I use the term visual impairment for my DS1's eyesight as it only affects his left eye.

For us the difficulty is that as his sight can't be corrected with glasses it can be difficult to explain to others, especially when he's charging around looking like a sighted 7 year old.

Viviennemary Fri 05-Apr-13 19:42:49

I'd say blind meant having absolutely no vision at all. And people do use that term for no vision at all. Partially sighted used to be acceptable but not sure if it still is,.

ladyofdemanor Fri 05-Apr-13 20:02:46

My Son is visually impaired and yes it is very important to me and indeed others with his genetic condition to term this correctly. It is not a term a political correctness but a definition of visual acuity and the strength of field of vision ths the score of these two things combined means whether a person is severely sight impaired - blind or Vision impaird - partially sighted. Indeed you can be registered blind but have some sight in laymans terms. These are are clearly defined terms and as such be used correctly to me to term this as political correctness is offensive.

MrsGrowbag Fri 05-Apr-13 20:04:41

The legal definitions of sight loss used to be "partially sighted" and "blind" but confusion arose because most people who were registered as "blind" had some sight, for example could see outlines, colours etc. According to the RNIB, only 4% of people registered as "blind" had no sight whatsoever. Similarly, "partially sighted" was misunderstood - for example, you could only have one eye but not be "partially sighted" (people with one eye, as long as it is working correctly, are able to drive). "Blind" people were sometimes accused of not really being blind, eg "he says he's blind but he knew I had a red top on". A few years ago the Registration Process adopted the terms "Sight Impaired" and "Severely Sight Impaired". I used to work with people with sight loss and tbh I don't think it's a matter of the language being changed just for the sake of being Politically Correct, i think it's a genuine attempt to better reflect the experiences of someone who is visually impaired. I don't think anyone would mind you asking which term they would prefer you to use, but, ime, parents of children with some sight, however small, do not like their child being referred to as "blind" with all the connotations and negativity that brings.

PigeonPie Fri 05-Apr-13 20:08:58

Thank you MrsGB, that's extremely helpful.

Why not ask her which term she prefers? Then you will know for sure the right thing to say when referring to this particular person.

TigerseyeMum Fri 05-Apr-13 21:53:50

I think it's best to ask because some people prefer the term VI while others prefer blind because they see the term VI as patronising and an implied criticism of 'being blind'.

As already said, most 'blind' people have vision, some are completely blind and may have been that way from birth.

Therefore for some 'visually impaired' is as offensive as 'hearing impaired'. It's different, not an impairment or some deficit on their part.

I think the term blind, for me and those I know, is more politically correct than VI.

TheChaoGoesMu Fri 05-Apr-13 22:00:33

You do need to ask her. My dh refers to himself as partially sighted. He is registered blind, but back in the 70's the rules were different. These days he would be registered as visually impaired. He has no useful sight, but he can distinguish night from day most of the time. In some light he can see a tiny bit more. He does not like being referred to as being blind.

appletarts Fri 05-Apr-13 22:07:40

It's rude, ignorant, incorrect and hurtful. She is not blind, she has some sight. You might call that blind but you can be sure she makes bloody good use of that little bit of sight she has got. She's no more blind than you are, but probably not as stupid.

treesntrees Fri 05-Apr-13 22:09:58

I know a young woman who has severe Nystagmus (eyes constantly flicker from side to side) she has recently been registered as blind. She does not wear glasses and can read and watch t.v but cannot move in a straight line unless she has a wall beside her to look at. It is unusual but as she lives in a residential home it means that staff know that she has to be accompanied when outside her room.

lougle Fri 05-Apr-13 22:27:46

In what context do you think you'll need to describe the quality of her vision?

I can't think of a situation where you'd need to make the distinction, tbh., so I wonder if you are worrying a bit unecessarily?

My DD, for example, has a brain malformation, but I've never been in a situation (she's 7 now) where the actual name for her condition was necessary to describe her difficulties.

It's rude, ignorant, incorrect and hurtful. She is not blind, she has some sight. You might call that blind but you can be sure she makes bloody good use of that little bit of sight she has got. She's no more blind than you are, but probably not as stupid.

Do you usually respond so charmingly to people asking a well intentioned question?

TigerseyeMum Fri 05-Apr-13 22:58:56

Blind is not a dirty word. And it encompasses a range of visual levels.

It's certainly not stupid to use it, as I said before, most blind people I know prefer to be called blind and would be offended if you called them otherwise.

TheChaoGoesMu Fri 05-Apr-13 23:08:46

most blind people I know prefer to be called blind and would be offended if you called them otherwise

most severely visually impaired people I know do not like being called blind. I seem to know more than average as most of dh's friends are vi. Always good to ask what they prefer if in doubt I think.

ladyofdemanor Fri 05-Apr-13 23:11:47

Here here chaos unfortunately there seem to be a lot of people who seem to have an opinion but very little understanding of the topic.

TigerseyeMum Fri 05-Apr-13 23:13:21

I already pointed that out, thanks.

I'm not going to get into competitive 'I know more blind people than you'therefore I have the definitive answer' because I already pointed out that some prefer VI and some prefer blind.

TheChaoGoesMu Fri 05-Apr-13 23:27:24

I'm not getting into a competition with you either. I live the effects of vi through being with dh and spending time with his friends. Have a little respect, you sound ignorant. Hope this helps.

sashh Sat 06-Apr-13 02:52:35

Personally I hate the 'impaired' bit, it says (IMHO) 'You are are a lesser person than an able bodied person.'

So an imperfect sighted person instead of a perfect blind person.

But then one of my uni lecturers (sadly now dead) would argue he was deaf. He had perfect hearing but both his parents were deaf, his first language was BSL and he identified as a deaf person - with perfect hearing.

Ask what she prefers and use that.

Kytti Sat 06-Apr-13 03:53:20

Visually impaired can often mean blind. Most blind people have some vision. Only a very small minority can see absolutely nothing. It sounds a bit over-PC to me.

Some people who have a hearing impairment much prefer the term 'deaf' because it implies they are missing something instead of gaining many other things. I should imagine that there are some people who have a visual impairment who feel the same way.

But then one of my uni lecturers (sadly now dead) would argue he was deaf. He had perfect hearing but both his parents were deaf, his first language was BSL and he identified as a deaf person - with perfect hearing.

He is identifying as big D Deaf, part of a cultural and linguistic minority, rather than audiologically small d deaf.

Haven't heard of Blind versus blind, but happy to stand corrected.

TheSloppelganger Sat 06-Apr-13 08:37:35

It is a minefield and good on you for trying to 'get it right', there is (unhelpfully) no 'right' though.

One of my exes had very little vision, could only really make out movement, light/dark - and he preferred to be referred to as blind or nearly blind - so nobody would overestimate his capabilities with his very poor vision.

My cousin however, who also has extremely limited eyesight (possibly even worse than my ex) would probably snap your head off if you referred to him as blind, and keeps insisting that he 'just can't see very well'.

Best to ask the person in question (or their parent/guardian) how they prefer to be referred to.

firesidechat Sat 06-Apr-13 08:42:46

Here here chaos unfortunately there seem to be a lot of people who seem to have an opinion but very little understanding of the topic.

So the fact that I have two blind parents (I am happy to use that term because they use it) doesn't count according to you. I have both an opinion and understanding, thank you.

Having said that, I would also use the term "visually impaired" if the person preferred it. As I mentioned before correct terminology seems to move on at a rapid rate these days and it's hard to keep up.

I don't see "blind" as offensive because it's just a description of a disability. Visual impairment is no more precise a description than blind surely? They both cover a range of sight.

TheNebulousBoojum Sat 06-Apr-13 08:49:44

How do the parents and the child describe her condition?
VI Is the term to use as a default.

Alliwantisaroomsomewhere Sat 06-Apr-13 09:16:57

Appletarts, you sound charming. Bet you have LOADS of friends and lovely stuff.

Alliwantisaroomsomewhere Sat 06-Apr-13 09:19:51

MrsGB, your post was really helpful, thanks.

The little girl is question is partially sighted, so yes, I can see now that using the word blind would not be correct. I have not had the opportunity to ask her parents what term they prefer, and I honestly don't think that it is necessary at this stage. My query was out of interest and out of concern that I did not upset anyone or say the wrong thing by using incorrect language.

I was mildly concerned that I would be slated on AIBU by asking this question but fortunately only one belligerent moron took that route.

Couldonlyhappentome Sat 06-Apr-13 11:00:11

It's sight impaired or severely sight impaired ( what was partially sighted and blind)

Sorry if that's already been said! It's the terms we have to use at work

lougle Sat 06-Apr-13 12:56:05

I wonder if it would be easier to focus on what she can see? So if you were in a situation where you needed to describe her limitations, you can say 'Oh yes, X can see a little if you move the object to her side.'because for x, at this stage, it will be the function of her sight that is the important thing

Alliwantisaroomsomewhere Sat 06-Apr-13 15:08:12

Lougle, in my dealings with the little girl, I do focus my attention on what she can see - I take your point. My concern in this AIBU was on terminology as a means of describing her extremely limited vision.

The professionals don't actually know at this stage what she can see though clearly she is able to make out some things be it light or shape, I am not sure. She is still very, very young.

2rebecca Sat 06-Apr-13 15:14:48

I think partially sighted is more accurate in this case than visually impaired as it implies it's more than just needing a pair of specs.
Many politically correct terms can disadvantage those at the severe end of the spectrum because they are heard mainly in relation to milder conditions.
"Learning difficulties" gives you no idea as to whether the person has mild dyslexia or an IQ of 40.

lougle Sat 06-Apr-13 15:32:23

Sorry, allIwant, I'm not trying to be obtuse. I'm just not sure when or why you would be describing her extremely limited vision? Who would you be describing it to and for what purpose?

I volunteer at a special school in a class for children with profound and multiple learning difficulties. I don't know the actual diagnoses of half of the children I help - I don't need to. All I need to know is how their condition affects them in the activity I am doing with them, so I can help them as much as needed while promoting independence.

Alliwantisaroomsomewhere Sat 06-Apr-13 16:43:07

"I'm just not sure when or why you would be describing her extremely limited vision? Who would you be describing it to and for what purpose?"

Lougle, when I was talking to someone that knows about the little girl, I said "the little blind girl I care for" and the person I was talking to said "er... visually impaired". So, I was wondering if I was out of line or rude or something like that. The person I was talking to did not know her name so I described her that way, knowing the other person would realise who I was talking about.

lougle Sat 06-Apr-13 18:31:39

Ah, thanks for clarifying. Do you care for lots of children, or is she the only child you care for? Could you have simply said 'the girl I care for?'

Couldonlyhappentome Sat 06-Apr-13 21:39:09

Learning difficulties and learning disabilities are two distinct things. To qualify as having a learning disability you usually have to have an iq of under 69 I think it is. Very very different to a learning difficulty.

(Just answering the earlier post)

Alliwantisaroomsomewhere Sat 06-Apr-13 22:33:05

I am a childminder and care for 12 children during the week - never all at the same time, though! (I am always within my numbers!)

This is a learning curve for me. The VERY last thing I want to do is fuck up somewhere along the line. I have been entrusted with the care of the little girl and I appreciate the trust that the parents have put in me.

PS I do not say "fuck" in front of the kids grin, but I most certainly do on MN.

Moominsarehippos Sun 07-Apr-13 10:09:06

I'd suss out what term the parents prefer to use. Whatever one you use, someone will tell you 'you can't say that!'.

In some instances a quick 'she's blind!' will be best option (if she is wandering too close to traffic, or someone starts having a go as her of she steps on their toe, etc). Blind, like deaf covers a fair amount of ground but people understand immediately what you mean when you use these words.

lougle Sun 07-Apr-13 10:53:16

Well in that case, I would err on the side of 'visually impaired' unless you are told that she is blind, because that is more accurate.

Moominsarehippos Sun 07-Apr-13 11:01:46

I'm not even sure what the term is these days. They do change so much. When I was studying it was 'blind' as not many people are 100% sight free - it can vary from seeing blurr/shadows to just being able to make out bright lights.

I would check with the parents. How much can she actually see? I would focus on that rather than what she can't see, and contact RNIB for info and educational toys/materials etc for her.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 07-Apr-13 11:04:24

Do you actually need to say either? I'd be concerned if my cm was discussing my child with somebody else.
Especially if she said "the little blind girl" (or deaf in my dds case), the child is not defined by their disability.

Tortington Sun 07-Apr-13 11:05:55

good explanaition here hope this helps

I had to google it as i work with a partially sighted woman, and i call her 'partially sighted' not visually impaired - so went to check

Trills Sun 07-Apr-13 11:08:27

I would say that it is up to the little girl (or her parents seeing as she is only little) as to whether they are happy for the word "blind" to be used.

I'm registered as visually impaired - technically I'm partially blind as I have limited peripheral vision and things someone else can see at 15 or 18 feet (different in each eye) have to be at 6 feet for me to see clearly.

I use the term VI as that's what I feel fits best. I used to use partially sighted but constantly got asked which eye I'm blind in.

I think its personal preference a lot of the time.

shellbu Sun 07-Apr-13 12:06:44

yabu to say she is blind when you your self say she has limited vision , i dont get why you would say blind when she is exactly NOT .

TunipTheVegedude Sun 07-Apr-13 12:17:10

Just linking to my friend's blog about blindness, in case anyone is interested:
Blind Spot

She is partially blind but refers to herself as blind. I thought a high number of people who are registered blind actually have some limited vision.

fallon8 Sun 07-Apr-13 14:08:46

Most blind people have A little sight,only five per cent have no vision at all..Visually impaired is the correct term

makemineamalibuandpineapple Sun 07-Apr-13 16:33:02

I work for Bristol eye hospital and the correct term is sight impaired/severely sight impaired. On the certificate of visual impairment (which says your level of sight) you are either sight impaired or severely sight impaired. They no longer use blind/partially sighted on official documentation. FWIW only a very small percentage of "blind" people can't see anything at all.

RealityQuake Sun 07-Apr-13 17:01:46

How to identify is very personal, people who have similar levels of impairment will label it differently and it is their right to do so, so it would be best to ask the parents if the child is not able to themselves.

Blind is not offensive, so there is no reason for someone to correct you unless they themselves are involved, but technically it is only the far end of a very long spectrum. The reason sight impairment and visual impairment came in was to recognise this and to help people with lower level impairments to get help and recognition and raise awareness and as such sight impairment is the medical catch-all term for the spectrum to use until/unless someone gives a term that they prefer which of course trumps.

Alliwantisaroomsomewhere Mon 08-Apr-13 13:49:37

"Do you actually need to say either? I'd be concerned if my cm was discussing my child with somebody else.
Especially if she said "the little blind girl" (or deaf in my dds case), the child is not defined by their disability."

FrustratedSycamore, I was talking about the child to my childminding mentor and support person from my local Authority. The child has been placed with me by the local authority through their funding programme for early years children with additional needs of all sorts.

I was not idling chatting about some kid. I was legitimately and professionally sharing information about a child in my care and sharing information on how well she was settling in and how much good the programme was able to do for children with additional needs of whatever sort. FFS.

Thanks everyone, for all the input. I am not going to respond anymore to to further replies, but I really do appreciate the well meant guidance that I have been given. I do not feel the need to justify why I was talking about her anymore or why I referred to her disability anymore. It is all irrelevant to the question I had asked.

Thanks for the sensible replies to those that make them.

lougle Mon 08-Apr-13 15:23:55

"I do not feel the need to justify why I was talking about her anymore or why I referred to her disability anymore. It is all irrelevant to the question I had asked."

Actually, it's central to it. The fact is, that it's quite rare to have to mention a distinctive characteristic of a person as their core 'person'.

By saying 'the blind/VI girl' you are stripping away her name, her personality...what makes her her.

It's not people being fussy or PC, it's simply making people aware that the language they use is not neutral.

2old2beamum Mon 08-Apr-13 18:18:26

Just to say my DS is HI and VI we belong to SENSE where he is called deafblind. Quicker and easier for people to understand than euphamisms.

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