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AIBU to not allow DD 18 to travel on her identical twins passport ?

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seenitallbefore Thu 04-Apr-13 21:40:32

She is due to travel on Monday abroad with her uni sports team . She informed me an hour ago that she can't find her passport . All family frantically searching .DH and DD driving back to her halls now for further search . DD said as leaving that if she can't find it she will use her twins. Illegal I know. Don't even know why I am posting. She will need to miss the tour won't she ?

BrianButterfield Thu 04-Apr-13 21:41:57

She won't be able to - the name on the passport has to match the name on the ticket.

You can get a replacement in person at a passport office.

MartinScorsassy Thu 04-Apr-13 21:42:05

I wouldn't chance it!

BertieBotts Thu 04-Apr-13 21:42:13

If she's flying she won't get away with it anyway as the booking name needs to match the one on her passport.

If you have until Monday it might be possible to get a replacement if you can get to your nearest office in time and have ££?

mamageekchic Thu 04-Apr-13 21:42:29

Surely her sisters ID won't match the name on her booking?

SadOldGit Thu 04-Apr-13 21:42:41

well as ticket will be in her name and passport is not she won't be able to travel on her twin's passport

If I were her, I would do it.

What does twin say? Is she usually careless?

morethanpotatoprints Thu 04-Apr-13 21:44:37

OMG YANBU

It is breaking the law and she could get in serious trouble. If she is 18 as well she is no longer a minor and will be treated more harshly.
Sorry I don't know the penalty but don't think its a slap on the wrist offence.
Ask her if its worth risking a criminal record.

Hope you find the passport soon.

You can't really stop her, she is 18. Bit of a silly idea though.

HollyBerryBush Thu 04-Apr-13 21:46:14

ah but one passport looks much like another - easy mistake to make.

seenitallbefore Thu 04-Apr-13 21:46:41

She is on a bus then ferry . It looks on Passport website as if a lost passport takes a week to replace . Yes she can be careless and a bit scatterbrained. Twin very organised though . This is very stressful ...

LadyBeagleEyes Thu 04-Apr-13 21:51:43

I did this twice with my twin's passport.
The first time was when I ended up in hospital in Amsterdam and she had insurance as she'd been working and I was working illegally.
This was 30 years ago.
The second time I forgot mine for an easy jet flight and was 60 miles away from my house and staying with her overnight before I flew.
I changed the booking names (£50) and it was fine.
Better than cancelling the whole trip IMO.
Who's going to know?
Maybe it's just a twin thing, as I neve felt I was doing anything illegal.

In that case, I would let this be a lesson to her. Nothing to say she won't lose her sister's passport too. (Did she run her intentions by her sister?)

trixymalixy Thu 04-Apr-13 21:52:07

You can get a passport replaced within a day, if you can manage to get an appointment.

lougle Thu 04-Apr-13 21:54:14

"Maybe it's just a twin thing, as I neve felt I was doing anything illegal."

hmm

Wouldn't it be lovely if the courts were concerned with what we felt, LadyBeagleEyes? grin

selsigfach Thu 04-Apr-13 21:54:36

I realised I had left my passport in N Wales with a few hours to spare before flying from London. I rang up the airline to say my sister would be taking my space and paid £30 to change names then flew with her passport. Might be an easier way to get around it, so long as it's not a chipped/eye recognition one.

meditrina Thu 04-Apr-13 21:57:53

I think it would be wrong.

But as she's 18, it's up to her whether she breaks the law and risks a criminal (?) record. But if she attempts it, she will need to explain away the non-matching name, not just to the carrier, but also her team mates and coach. Who made the flight booking? Will the change of name be obvious to that person? Is it fair to make them an accessory to the deception?

seenitallbefore Thu 04-Apr-13 21:58:03

Can you Trixy ? That's encouraging . That sounds like a plan . She can phone first thing tomorrow and hopefully they will see her. You are all right. Too serious an offence to take a risk. Though they went away with their school at aged 14 and flew home from Morocco on each others passports as a "joke" . Obviously I failed to impress on them at the time that that was so stupid. I didn't laugh though ... Not a clever twin trick.

TheChaoGoesMu Thu 04-Apr-13 21:58:41

How will she do it if the ticket name is not the same? Change the ticket name? Is it possible?

SminkoPinko Thu 04-Apr-13 21:59:19

Must be tempting! But yes, probably not a good idea as fraud etc etc.

missingmumxox Thu 04-Apr-13 21:59:30

No she can go to the passport office tomorrow and queue up at 8am, my poor Dh had to do this when I lost our DT's passport and mine in a house move and discovered 2 days before the we where due to leave I discovered they where missing.
by coincidence the person in front of him to pick up in the afternoon also had year old twins, ours where 7 months and they got chatting, when the other chap got to the window, he said, you have put the wrong pictures on the passports, and was told, think very carefully before you answer sir, are you sure that the pictures are incorrect? he said yes the person asked for them back and said, I am sorry sir I can not issue with this passports and the office has closed for processing today. the chap was devastated, when DH when up he just took the passports looked at them quickly and said that they where correct, he said he only checked in case my picture was on one of the babies...then obviously all beats where off, he only checked properly outside, they where correct, but they take it seriously for babies imagine if she gets caught?

LynetteScavo Thu 04-Apr-13 22:00:01

As a mother I wouldn't allow it (what if she get stopped by the police for something, and they think she is her sister...could get very messy). But she is 18, and her sister is 18, so I'm not sure you can stop them. I take it you are funding the tour, though...?

ZZZenagain Thu 04-Apr-13 22:01:29

she's not flying, bus and ferry.

LynetteScavo Thu 04-Apr-13 22:03:09

Flying back together on each others passports is a lot less risky though...unless the plain goes down and one twin survives, and the other doesn't...sorry, I tend to pee DH off with always thinking the worst.

I'll shut up now.

missingmumxox Thu 04-Apr-13 22:04:20

Don't phone the London office always say they are too busy, My DH went to Glasgow from Kent! (they where lovely apparently) and then found out that this is the stock reaction by London, by people we now who fly more frequently than we do (and clearly are more forgetful then me), on another note my passport when through a washing machine on holiday caused me a lot of grief on the way back into the UK and this was long before Sept 11.

seenitallbefore Thu 04-Apr-13 22:07:34

I can stop her . She's 18 but not much of a rebel yet. What LadyBeagles says is right I think . she doesn't see it as a huge legal problem as its her twins passport and they are always mistaken for each other anyway. But no excuses. She can't do it . Silly girl .

meditrina Thu 04-Apr-13 22:10:28

Not just passport though - what about EHIC/insurance?

Christelle2207 Thu 04-Apr-13 22:18:52

She has three whole days to find it.

HollaAtMeBaby Thu 04-Apr-13 22:25:25

I can't see the problem really. I think YABU.

ChippingInIsEggceptional Thu 04-Apr-13 22:25:36

Bus & Ferry - I'd risk it. Flying I wouldn't, however, that said... I used to work in resorts, we had one client fly into resort on his wife's passport - WE noticed because when we went to get his senior pass he wasn't eligible as his wife was a year younger - so much for airport checks!! Of course then we had the hassle of getting his out to us in resort in time to get him home again!

Tortington Thu 04-Apr-13 22:27:43

yeah i'd totally risk it

StuntGirl Thu 04-Apr-13 22:27:44

I wouldn't risk it and I think she'd be very silly to do so.

HollaAtMeBaby Thu 04-Apr-13 22:29:22

(at least if other twin is OK with it)

seenitallbefore Thu 04-Apr-13 22:30:09

I suppose she is silly StuntGirl.

livinginwonderland Thu 04-Apr-13 22:30:43

stupid idea with potentially huge consequences.

LadyBeagleEyes Thu 04-Apr-13 22:30:57

I just don't see a risk.
It's not like passport officials stare at the photos much anyway, and if your'e identical they won't give a shit.
Unless since 9/11 all security is on alert for 18 year old twins who have swapped passports.

seenitallbefore Thu 04-Apr-13 22:31:17

And other twin equally silly in that she thinks she would do the same .

LeChatRouge Thu 04-Apr-13 22:39:41

Last time we went through the ferry customs, I was asleep in the back of the car with my hood up and sunglasses on, a quick cursory glance from the customs officer was all I got, goodness knows how she knew I was the same person on my passport photo.

I have ID twins and have more than once discovered that I have given them the wrong passport to show at the passport desk, always found out afterwards. Or, if we have gone up as a group to the desk, they just look at the photos, don't ask which twin is which.

I would keep looking, maybe try and get one tomorrow and then as a last resort let her travel with her sister's. Then, I would keep all the passports together in a box safely from now on.

RedToothBrush Thu 04-Apr-13 22:41:24

Is it a biometric passport? (I'm guessing yes, given her age) Even if they are identical twins they will have different biometric data on the passport. Fingerprints and irises differ despite the fact they are twins.

I personally wouldn't think about the fact its illegal. That wouldn't be my concern. You might get or a punishment, you might not.

But if its a passport I would think about the consequences of if its picked up - regardless of being guilty or not guilty; practical stuff that has a long term impact on your ability to travel or work in the future. Stuff you wouldn't really think about.

If you get 'flagged' for some reason, you will always face issues at passport control and if you are deported or refused entry to somewhere it can affect whether you are allowed entry to somewhere completely unrelated and different (you are often asked on landing cards if you have ever been refused entry somewhere).

Personally I ask is it worth missing out on lots of other future opportunities for the sake of this one when all is said and done? If she can't find the passport, then she should suck it up and use it as a lesson to look after the passport - and not properly jeopardise her future.

Not to mention her sister's future too. Her sister who has NOTHING to gain as she won't be going on this trip, and potentially everything to loose if its spotted. In a situation where she did get caught and took full responsibility for the 'theft' of her sisters passport, her sister's passport would still be 'flagged' as such.

She does not NEED to go. She is being being immature and selfish for even considering using her sisters passport. Thats the bottom line in the end, I'm afraid.

CSIJanner Thu 04-Apr-13 22:43:41

Get her twins passport and lock it away. Someone was jailed for 10months for using someone else's passport just this last January - the charge was fraud (possession of a false identity document with improper intention).

Apparently the passport will be confiscated and she could possibly be barred from leaving this country indefinitely, or until she has a review. Her twin may also find it difficult to apply for another passport. Not worth it really. Tell her to ring and book an appointment with the passport office first thing. An ex needed a passport v quickly and it was turned around in less than five hours. HTH!

Remotecontrolduck Thu 04-Apr-13 23:02:19

Don't do it, she'll get caught out with different names on the tickets and she'll be in deep shit. She's not a child, they'll make no allowances for her. Twin or not, it's using someone else's passport and she could go to jail. Criminal record, no job, no prospects.

Try and get a next day appointment for a replacement. Lock her sister's passport away and tell her not to be so reckless.

She really needs to turn the house upside down to look for it if replacement is not an option though.

IloveJudgeJudy Thu 04-Apr-13 23:06:05

I would let her if you can't get a replacement in time. DH's DB used his once when he had misplaced his. No problem. It wasn't noticed and caused no one any trouble.

Apparently Saudi Arabian passports have the women wearing their Burkhas in the pictures....
a propos of not a lot I know, but really? her identical twin? it's not like it's stolen or forged or out of date or she has 14 kilos of heroin stuffed up her jaxi in a jiffy bag...
How would anyone ever know? Just get on the phone and pay the "name change" fee for the ticket to change it from her name to her twins.

Remotecontrolduck Thu 04-Apr-13 23:13:35

Not trying to be rude, but I would discount people on here telling you they got away with it. It is entirely possible she could of course, but an equal chance she won't. Things like biometric data make it even more difficult. All it takes is a grumpy person on border control. The implications for her sister as well, for possibly allowing someone to use her passport.

It is not worth this for a tour. Seriously, if it was a family emergency I might be more sympathetic but to risk her future propects and possible jail time is crazy.

People have gone to prison for this.

Remotecontrolduck Thu 04-Apr-13 23:14:39

You could get the ticket names changed of course, but even then, it's a risk. Admittedly less of one though.

BornInACrossFireHurricane Thu 04-Apr-13 23:18:42

I am an absolute worry wart so I don't think I would do it personally, but can sort of understand why she is considering it. I do remember going to France on a ferry and coach and not having our passports properly looked at, nevermind any tickets (not sure why?!)

Glad my twins are boy/girl so they won't have the temptation grin

TheCraicDealer Thu 04-Apr-13 23:22:50

Twin here too, although clearly much more of a worrier than LadyBeagle! smile

I wouldn't chance it, too much bother if she gets found out. All it needs is for a border control officer to be ticking the names off a passenger list against the passports and she's snookered. As a parent I'd be telling her that missing out on the trip is a consequence of being terminally disorganised and careless. A bit of a rubbish lesson to learn, but it could help her in the long run.

If it were my DSis looking to travel on my passport I wouldn't be keen unless it was an absolute emergency. Is your other DD happy with her wombmate's plan?

ghosteditor Thu 04-Apr-13 23:27:14

YWBU to allow it - I agree with the worryworts above.

You can get a passport in a day - my disorganised brother did this in Liverpool two weeks ago with 12 hours before his flight. If you can't get an appointment, turn up on the door and tell security you have an appointment. DB did this (the little blagger) and had no trouble.

It would never occur to me to go once told I couldn't be seen but that's how my chancer brother makes things happen wink

TheChaoGoesMu Thu 04-Apr-13 23:33:44

In fairness, as an Id twin I have done it too. Well my sister has used mine anyway. But we are kind of old now, I don't know how easy it is to get away with that stuff these days.

allagory Thu 04-Apr-13 23:48:28

If she is at university, she will no doubt be hoping to go on to some great career at some great firm. Lot more difficult to do this with a criminal record. Not really worth it my book.

trixymalixy Thu 04-Apr-13 23:57:08
charlearose Thu 04-Apr-13 23:58:03

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LadyBeagleEyes Fri 05-Apr-13 00:00:42

Good question charlearose.
I haven't a clue either.

MrsHoarder Fri 05-Apr-13 00:12:51

Uni sports team at Easter? Skiing/boarding? If it is I've expect at least 2-3 of those on the coach to need hospital treatment on the week (was club treasurer for a team). If that's your dd and her passport doesn't match her insurance she'll have a long wait for medical treatment and broken bones hurt.

TheCraicDealer Fri 05-Apr-13 00:14:29

And MrsHoarder successfully shuts down any possibility of this being a parent-sanctioned scheme.....grin

Wouldn't bother me at all.

What a cool story to tell when you're old. Almost as good as "I shagged your boyfriend and he didn't notice" like phoebe and ursula in Friends grin

EllenParsons Fri 05-Apr-13 02:48:31

I'm an identical twin and no way would I do this! Tell her to go get herself a new passport on the express service. I did the one day service at the office in Victoria recently and it was really quick and stress free. I don't think it was too expensive either, maybe about £100?

sashh Fri 05-Apr-13 03:16:46

charlearose

That's because your passport is a replacement adult passport.

People are interviewed for their first passport. The chip on your passport will contain a digital version of your photo and personal data and any observations.

SatsukiKusukabe Fri 05-Apr-13 03:22:25

what if your daughter got in trouble abroad? It would be under your other daughters name. also biometric passport means that she could get caught

seenitallbefore Fri 05-Apr-13 06:46:35

Passport was found... Inside her printer at uni ! Thanks to you all for last nights advice .

KittieCat Fri 05-Apr-13 07:31:42

Excellent news. I was on tenterhooks. Glad all is sorted and she can go without problems.

Hats off to your DH, too!

whiteflame Fri 05-Apr-13 08:11:41

Glad it's found, but I would still be concerned that they both thought this was ok. More concerned for her sister really - she can't control what her twin does while overseas on her identity.

RubyGates Fri 05-Apr-13 08:13:18

If it's bus and ferry, it probably won't be noticed anyway. She could go with the "my mum keeps all the important documents in a drawer and I've picked up the wrong one routine" if they do notice, and it will PROBABLY be OK especially if she has a driving licence with her.

I know that my next-door neighbour and I ended up with each-other's passports and no-one noticed until we got back from our trip to France and we were only superficially similar (same height, build, hair and eye colour).

But It's not something I'd do deliberately.

RubyGates Fri 05-Apr-13 08:14:02

Oh, Good News!

MrsHoarder Fri 05-Apr-13 09:23:09

Good news. I would also like to point out that injuries mentioned earlier were minor: broken wrists and the like. Nothing to loose sleep over.

Remotecontrolduck Fri 05-Apr-13 09:31:01

Glad it has been found!

My DD has been to France before on a coach and says she has had her passport carefully looked at by border control, especially on re-entry to the UK. Random checks on passengers are also carried out. So it is possible, even though there is a chance you'd get away with it.

Make sure you emphasize what an awful idea that was though, of it happens again and she's going further afield like the US..... Both her sister, and herself will be in huge trouble.

Hope she has a good trip!

RevoltingPeasant Fri 05-Apr-13 09:50:07

How did she get a passport inside a printer? confused

specialsubject Fri 05-Apr-13 10:09:27

this is called consequences, and is how she learns to be less careless. You may think princessy fluffiness is acceptable but passport control won't. She's 18, time for some life lessons.

she gets a new passport, or she doesn't go.

ILikeBirds Fri 05-Apr-13 10:25:39

UK passports do not contain biometric data such as fingerprints and iris scans although the new e passports have the facility to hold this data.

You don't always get interviewed for a first passport. DD has just had hers, she's nearly 13. There was no interview and it was returned in a week. As she now has a passport, I'm not sure she'd be interviewed when she renews for her adult passport.

Trazzletoes Fri 05-Apr-13 10:38:27

Fry you get interviewed for your first adult passport, regardless of whether or not you had one as a child.

Trazzletoes Fri 05-Apr-13 10:40:09

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but presumably the Border agency will have the facility to check names against boarding passes or a list of who is on the coach. She won't be allowed to travel with someone else's passport!

Trazzletoes Fri 05-Apr-13 10:47:04

Ahhhhh now I've read the thread grin glad it has been found!

livinginwonderland Fri 05-Apr-13 10:59:28

eh? i got my first adult passport a couple of years ago and i never got interviewed. just sent off a form and a photo and got it back.

Emsmaman Fri 05-Apr-13 11:17:17

As a person who is prone to losing things can I suggest you get your dd a safe box for her important documents- it took me until age 30 to do this and now I know where everything is! Especially once she starts working etc, she will need to be able to lay her hands on key docs likke education certs easily otherwise she might miss out on jobs!

Coffeenowplease Fri 05-Apr-13 11:25:29

What sort of info is stored on the chip out of interest ? What kind of observations ?

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