to think that you should put the damn salary on the job description!!!

(51 Posts)

About 80% of job adverts I've found don't have the salary on them normally with "salary to be discussed", "salary negotiable" or "salary dependant on experience".
Surely when you are advertising for a job you know roughly what you are willing to pay and it would save bother later if you just put that on the ad rather than wasting time reading applications that may have different salary expectations?
I always assume that the salary is ridiculously low and they just don't want to put people off - and don't bother to apply.
AIBU to think that you should put a rough idea of the salary on adverts?

TiggyD Wed 03-Apr-13 20:09:05

If the salary was good they would tell people about it.

AThingInYourLife Wed 03-Apr-13 20:10:59

I agree with Tiggy.

It's irritating.

KenAdams Wed 03-Apr-13 20:13:02

YADNBU. It's hard to know what level the job is without a salary too.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow Wed 03-Apr-13 20:15:32

if they don't put the salary, its low.

Blankiefan Wed 03-Apr-13 20:16:23

Sometimes the salary isn't stated because it's a range. Our salaries have a really wide range - if I advertise a role at £27-£40k depending on experience, it just upsets someone to be offerred £27K; even if it's above what they earned previously. Thus, a pay bump can become demotivational...

You may disagree but this is why we often don't state a salary on roles we advertised.

RatPants Wed 03-Apr-13 20:16:26

Agreed. I wouldn't bother applying for anything which don't clearly state how much the salary was. Obviously they are being vague for a reason!

I applied once - and it turned out that they wanted me to work for free in exchange for sharing their house in London.

So I've not had the best of experiences...

Salary in private sector v variable depending on who applies.

janelikesjam Wed 03-Apr-13 20:19:50

Totally.

And can I just add one more thing (am I in bad mood today). What about when you are trying to buy tickets for an event or service, and you go online to buy them. You hunt about the web page looking for the price, but it is nowhere to be seen. Do the idiots think we'll somehow not notice this. I had this problem recently, some theme park, impossible to find price until I got to checkout.

Oodsigma Wed 03-Apr-13 20:20:24

At the bottom end of the pay market often advertises as 'above minimum wage' which is usually less than 10p over. angry

AThingInYourLife Wed 03-Apr-13 20:22:22

"Our salaries have a really wide range - if I advertise a role at £27-£40k depending on experience, it just upsets someone to be offerred £27K; even if it's above what they earned previously. Thus, a pay bump can become demotivational...

Why not put the salary floor on at least?

Make it clear there is room for negotiation, but that you see the job as being worth at least X.

Otherwise you are at risk of losing good applicants so you can keep weaker ones.

Blankiefan Wed 03-Apr-13 20:26:18

"Why not put the salary floor on at least?"

There are definitely pros and cons of any approach. Just explaining why some companies do this (and it's not always because of a low salary)...

Oodsigma - ahh yes, the "above minimum wage" trick. Can't be that much more else they would just say!

foslady Wed 03-Apr-13 20:26:58

I was asked to state what wage I would work for after being told 150 people had applied and they were keen to take my application further. When I asked for industry standard and explained why I was worth it, suddenly they weren't so keen......wish I'd stuck to my guns and told them I don't do reverse auctions........

I'm not a fan of the applicant having to state their salary expectations first either.

xpost sorry

Ruffello Wed 03-Apr-13 20:29:34

Unfortunately, with so many people chasing so few jobs, employers don't need to try very hard..

stubbornstains Wed 03-Apr-13 20:30:04

To the general jobseeking public it just smacks of contempt for them, along with expecting an individually tailored CV for each application, and then not even sending a letter of acknowledgment for said application.

Re: not getting prices till you arrive at the online checkout;- I have abandoned online transactions at the last moment so many times over this...

And while we're on a rant, did you know that First Great Western do not mention ANYWHERE on their enormous website that children under 5 travel for free? Presumably so that parents will get confused and actually buy tickets for their 3 year olds angry

(here endeth the wine and PMT-fuelled digressionblush)

MajaBiene Wed 03-Apr-13 20:30:47

I only apply for public sector jobs with clear salary bands now.

Flossiechops Wed 03-Apr-13 20:35:37

My dh applied for a job which didn't state the salary. (This was very strange to me having worked in the public sector all my life where salary is clear) During the interview they asked him what sort of salary he was looking for. It seems that the company pay their workers what they feel they are individually worth not a blanket salary - I guess this has advantages and disadvantage. Dh got the job and was offered the salary he wanted, he has just had his first salary review and they are renegotiating his salary which has been dependent upon his performance over the past 8 months.

Iamsparklyknickers Wed 03-Apr-13 20:42:49

YANBU, although for a job I like the look of (or think I could do) I'll happily dictate my salary expectations without shame. You don't ask you don't get I suppose, at least I can put not hearing anything down to being overpriced rather than anything crappy about my application/CV.

On balance I'd rather not sit in an interview already thinking they're under-offering but desperate for a job so grinning and baring it.

javabean Wed 03-Apr-13 20:46:42

It's standard practice in my industry not to put salaries on job ads. Not because the jobs are badly paid, but because salaries vary so much depending on experience.

That said, I'd never be the first to name a price, I always get the employer to make the first move. And I aim higher than I want so there's room for negotiation.

redskyatnight Wed 03-Apr-13 20:48:05

Having recently job hunted, the other downside of job adverts with no salary is not being able to understand what "level" of person is wanted. I do a job that essentially the advert would read the same whether it was for a very junior person or very experienced - the salary at least gives you an idea whether you are massively over or underqualified for what might be wanted.

ILikeBirds Wed 03-Apr-13 20:50:54

YANBU

There's plenty of evidence too that wage secrecy disadvantages women more than men

emsyj Wed 03-Apr-13 20:53:25

All this means is "Salary = whatever we can get away with paying you". I hate this secrecy regarding salary - this is a major contributor to the equal pay problem, companies don't want you to know (a) what they're paying anyone else (whether it be more because they're better or more because they asked for it) or (b) what they would be willing to pay you if you insisted on it.

Very inarticulate as I have had several glasses of wine, but you get the gist...

Tethering Wed 03-Apr-13 20:59:16

We always put the starting salary and add that it's dependent on experience. However, I've had candidates reach interview stage and then say there was no mention of salary on the advert. Hmm, yes, there was, at the part that said salary . . . hmm

The first thing I do is check salary on job adverts - gives me an idea if the level is right for me

EuroShaggleton Wed 03-Apr-13 22:40:13

In my field it's pretty rare to find a salary on a job advert. You might get a £[number]+

We often see "£competitive" which doesn't tell you a lot.

I agree with pp that a salary gives you an indication of the expected skill and experience level. If it says "£27-40k dependent on experience" and I know I'm new ish, I know that means £27-30k for me.

StuntGirl Wed 03-Apr-13 23:17:54

I hate job adverts that give no information. Imagine trying to send in an application with as little information and see how far that gets you!

My favourite was a job description which stated: "Must be passionate about our products" and then didn't state anywhere within the ad what the products were, who the company was or what industry it was in confused

foreverondiet Wed 03-Apr-13 23:20:37

I wouldn't necessary expect salary on advert as it would be a range depending on experience but you can ask agent or ask employer before applying whether the salary you are looking for is realistic.

For what it's worth I have always put my current salary on my CV. If I do apply for the wrong kind of job, my salary plus previous job description usually makes it obvious and they have said "ah no, it's a good bit more senior than that" or whatever.

slightlysoupstained Wed 03-Apr-13 23:31:40

I notice that when the same job is being advertised direct, and via recruitment agencies that the latter always give a salary! So I'm guessing that most people prefer to see a salary on an ad.

I wonder if sometimes it's due to not wanting to reveal the pay bands to current staff who might have a look at the ad out of curiosity? Not uncommon to put an ad out for more than incumbents are being paid just cos market rate has gone up. Agree that pay secrecy disadvantages women most.

escorpion Wed 03-Apr-13 23:33:37

Where I live, it is standard for them to ask you your salary expectations. I hate it. You can undervalue yourself to get a job, or ask for a salary higher than what they want to pay and therefore loose out on a job. Plus there isn´t a standard salary for a job, depends on the company which makes it even harder to gauge what to put. Sucks.

I was tempted to say YABU at first: I have lived in NZ for some years - here it is normal to negotiate on salary and I have got used to it. Even public-sector job adverts only state a salary range, if that.

However, the obvious flip-side is that employers don't mind a bit of hard bargaining on salary. My (dimming) memory of the UK was that doing so went down like a cup of cold sick. I'd be very interested to know whether that has changed at all.

SweetSeraphim Thu 04-Apr-13 06:29:21

stubborn all children under 5 travel free on the train regardless of the company don't they? It just means that they don't have an actual seat and might have to sit on your lap if it's busy.

ArtemisatBrauron Thu 04-Apr-13 08:47:40

Both of the jobs I have had since leaving university were advertised as "salary will be competitive" wit no further info and I wouldn't say they are bad salaries, just that there's a really wide pay scale dependent on experience.

ArtemisatBrauron Thu 04-Apr-13 08:48:39

It was made clear to me at second place that negotiating the salary offered would indeed, go down like a cup of cold sick toadin grin

stubbornstains Thu 04-Apr-13 10:32:51

seraphim they do indeed. Something I had to google to verify, after searching every cranny of the FGW site for half an hour angry

2rebecca Thu 04-Apr-13 11:06:32

I'd phone them up and ask, saying I'm considering applying but would want more details of the salary range to know If I want to apply.
They should then be able to give an idea of the salary range.

chrome100 Thu 04-Apr-13 11:09:15

The worst are adverts that say "Call Centre Operative - salary = £450,000,0000 (OTE)" which means that if you meet the ridiculously impossible targets you'll get an alright salary but in reality you will get about 2p an hour.

I am job hunting at the moment and have become very disillisuioned with agencies. Not one of them has bothered ringing me about a job, despite saying I have a good CV, a few of them I have followed things up on have denied all knowledge of having met me, and I suspect a few of the jobs on their websites are fake, designed to get people to apply so that they can keep your details on file and do nothing with them

slightlysoupstained Thu 04-Apr-13 11:32:17

TBH I think it varies from place to place in the UK whether you're expected to negotiate the salary or not. One friend got a 3K raise just by saying "I really want the job, and would take it anyway - but it does seem a little low given that all that you've told me about the level of responsibility involved." She was angry at the thought that she could so easily have just taken the first offer, and it made a pretty big difference to her.

Next time it's an issue, I intend to write down the wording on a big piece of card so I don't forget, and smoothly say "Oh how wonderful! I'd love to work for you, so pleased. Now, can I ask - I'm aware some companies prefer to make one final offer on salary rather than haggle, and others will expect candidates to negotiate and might even have rules where the hiring manager isn't allowed to offer the higher end of the range unless the candidate asks. I'd hate to get it wrong. Which are you?"

Nancy66 Thu 04-Apr-13 11:34:50

it is crap - wanting to know what you're bloody well going to get paid is key.

But if they don't tell you then you it leaves the onus on the applicant to ask at the interview which some people find very awkward and hard to do

I agree that there is often a acceptable salary range but if that's the case they should state that.

I'm looking at Nanny jobs which is a bit different. A family must know what they're willing to offer! So in this case not stating salary = crap salary

BikeRunSki Thu 04-Apr-13 11:51:03

Public sector jobs are within bands, and where you fit in that band depends on experience, competencies etc.

Many jobs (not public!) pay a "reward package" which includes elements of buying/selling more/less holiday, pension, car, health insurance etc. Where I used to work I could pick from these and salary adjusted accordingly.

jamdonut Thu 04-Apr-13 11:58:05

Teaching assistant jobs...they show the full salary first eg : £15,000 (ish) then add "*pro rata*". That doesn't give you any real idea. In my case, in reality, it means £9,500 ish p.a.

ILikeBirds Thu 04-Apr-13 12:03:24

Eh? Presuming they state the hours as well stating the salary pro rata allows you to work out what you need to know

jamdonut Thu 04-Apr-13 12:18:01

I suppose blush....but it's a bit annoying to have to work out! Why can't they be a bit more upfront about these things. As it is term time only you can never achieve anything like £15,000, so why state it?

ILikeBirds Thu 04-Apr-13 12:26:22

They state it so you can compare different jobs which might have different part time hours more easily. Or compare part time jobs with full time positions.

notallytuts Thu 04-Apr-13 12:39:02

"competitive" drives me absolutely bloody bonkers. because they all say it, so you have no idea what you're competing against!!

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