To think people should wash their hands?

(73 Posts)
DeepPurple Wed 03-Apr-13 16:43:10

In a restaurant with dd at lunch time. I took her to the toilet and a woman took her ds at the same time. We came out of the cubicle first and were hand washing when they came out and walked straight out in to the restaurant.

They sat back at their table and proceeded to eat lunch <vom>

Before anyone days it, they didn't use any anti bac gel or wipes either.

So AIBU? Is this the new thing?

jamdonut Wed 03-Apr-13 16:47:48

I don't think there is anything new about it!

Some people always wash their hands,some people sometimes wash their hands ,some people never bother.

No unfortunately it's nothing new.
Why do we have such horrendous MRSA rates ?

I'm an NHS worker and when I'm out IRL (ie not at work) I'm very judgey if I see someone not washing.

"Not bothering to wash your hands eh? Very hygienic"

Disclaimer: I've never had my head kicked in (yet) but if I was challenged I could whitter on about MRSA rates grin

startwig1982 Wed 03-Apr-13 16:48:36

Bit grim but their decision, surely?

MrsLouisTheroux Wed 03-Apr-13 16:49:19

Loads of people don't wash their hands. Can't think about it too much as who knows if the restaurant waiters/chef have good hygiene habits.

CheCazzo Wed 03-Apr-13 16:51:25

Can you get or spread MRSA from having a piss and managing not to wipe yourself with the back of your hand? I just don't get this. It's what toilet paper is for. And actually - is MRSA destroyed by using skanky soap from a skanky dispenser that is no doubt rimming with skanky germs from the skank-ridden hands of the skanks previous to you? Or does MRSA require a slightly more hardcore antibac wash?

OK, you press the skanky dispenser, get the non-skanky soap out then wash your hands. So, germs from the skanky dispenser are now down the drain or dead.

Washing your hands after pissing (if that's what they were doing) is a good idea because 1) it is a habit. We piss a few times a day so hands would get washed a few times a day 2) pissing is not all people do in the toilet so a good idea to wash hands after touching poo covered handles, doors, fittings.

However, I love your NN CheCazzo.

CheCazzo Wed 03-Apr-13 16:58:34

Thank you MrsTP. smile

greensmoothiegoddess Wed 03-Apr-13 17:02:01

What if you do as I do? I don't touch a thing in any loo. I have it down to a fine art. Plus I don't touch myself at all. And I avoid skanky aforementioned soap/soap dispensers? Lastly I use a wad of tissue to pull the main door open...and shoulder it coming in.
I have immune issues rather than OCD!

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Wed 03-Apr-13 17:03:14

I am like GreenGodess...all my energy goes into avoiding touching anything. I pull the chain with my foot!

Gingerandcocoa Wed 03-Apr-13 17:08:10

I was once at a cheese factory (with shop and restaurant), saw this woman leave the toilet, not wash her hands, then go straight into the cheese shop, straight past the anti bac gel, and on to the cheese tasting platters!!!! I had to work really hard to stop myself telling her off. I still don't know why I didn't do it.

Needless to stay I steered clear of any cheese she tasted (although I'm sure the ones I tasted might have been touched by other non-hand washing person)

We have signs up telling is not to flush with your foot. Because when I flush with my hand, I get your street, dog poo, discarded gum, spit shoe germs all over my hands. Luckily, I wash them so it is a moot point.

MandragoraWurzelstock Wed 03-Apr-13 17:17:32

It might sound counterintuitive but the only way to get rid of superbugs is soap and water.

Antibac will not touch them - it only kills the basic germs, not the really nasty ones, making your hands more receptive to the propagation of nasties.

So I avoid it. On the advice of a consultant microbiologist...wash your hands with soap and water, it won't kill the bugs but they won't be stuck to you after that.

DeepPurple Wed 03-Apr-13 17:25:09

I can't believe that anyone thinks it's ok not to wash shock

They flushed the toilet somehow. Opened and closed the toilet cubicle door somehow too. Surely touching things? Plus her son was about 3 so may well have held on to the seat <shudder>

Cantbelieveitsnotbutter Wed 03-Apr-13 17:39:06

Ummm shouldn't you wash your hands before eating anyway?
Regardless of going to the loo? Althought clearly you should after using the toilet anyway.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Wed 03-Apr-13 17:55:54

Ginger eew that's why I NEVER partake of sharing platters in supermarkets etc.

countrykitten Wed 03-Apr-13 18:29:57

Have I just imagined it or are there actually a couple of skanky posters on here saying that they DO NOT WASH THEIR HANDS after using a loo?

Really? I hope that you teach your children better habits. How utterly revolting.

greensmoothiegoddess Wed 03-Apr-13 18:33:34

I'm not skanky, countrykitten. Get your judgyknickers off.

countrykitten Wed 03-Apr-13 18:35:00

Do you or do you not wash your hands after using the loo? Simple question....

Gingerandcocoa Wed 03-Apr-13 18:35:50

You know what I really dislike as well? When restaurants have a little plate with salt or nuts in it. And everyone is expected to get a pinch or salt or some nuts from the little plate! Which EVERYONE touches!

I am particularly thinking about Carluccio's, ate there the other way and even though I wanted salt in my food I would NEVER have got it.

Gingerandcocoa Wed 03-Apr-13 18:36:04

the other day*

countrykitten Wed 03-Apr-13 18:38:23

Also I assume that you do not use loo roll as you say you don't 'touch yourself'. Which is also really gross.

And if you DO use loo roll I am afraid that it is not germ proof so you will be walking around with skanky, germy hands.

I think you need to listen to 70isaLimit and buck your ideas up.

countrykitten Wed 03-Apr-13 18:39:41

Wasn't there a test done of peanuts at a bar and they found loads of urine and stuff on them....? Making myself feel ill.

Simontowers1 Wed 03-Apr-13 18:41:06

After a poo always, obv. After a wee - usually but not always, not obligatory. Easy rules really.

oaks2012 Wed 03-Apr-13 18:41:30

That's not as bad as when I was in a restaurant going to the toilet, one of the chefs come out of the cubicle, straight past the hand basins, out of the door and into the kitchen... I just HOPE (pray) that she was intending to use the kitchen sink to wash her hands <boak>

VerySmallSqueak Wed 03-Apr-13 18:43:14

It depends what persona I'm in.

In everyday life it revolts me when people don't wash their hands after the loo.

But in my outdoorsy persona I can stomach a quite remarkable lack of hygiene.

thornrose Wed 03-Apr-13 18:43:36

Well we now know why there are pissy peanuts in bars. Were you joking Simontowers?

oaks2012 Wed 03-Apr-13 18:43:52

Oh, and about MRSA - I was told that the superbugs have come from the hospitals being too clean -- is that wrong then? I was given a very feasible explanation to why (cant quite remember now - but was from SIL so can find out from her if anyone is interested)

pepperrabbit Wed 03-Apr-13 18:46:34

We were out for lunch at the weekend and I took DD to the loo, we were just starting to wash our hands when a young woman came in, on the phone, she did her business - still on the phone - tutted at us for using the hand drier as she couldn't hear hmm and walked straight out, no hand washing at all.
What really shocked me though, as we followed her down the stairs, was that she picked up a small baby as she got back to her table! Even if you don't care about yourself catching stuff, surely with a say, 4 month old, you'd have a care?
<unhoiks judgey pants>

countrykitten Wed 03-Apr-13 18:46:55

70 will know but I think that sounds dubious. I thought MRSA came from unhygenic, non-handwashing, poo fingered dirtballs a few of whom are posting without shame on here

MyDarlingClementine Wed 03-Apr-13 18:48:04

what if they used tissue to flush and tissue to open door, and didn't want to wash?

MandragoraWurzelstock Wed 03-Apr-13 18:49:07

It's about the ecosystem basically

you have plant life on your hands, on surfaces, on the human's a system, it is fairly balanced and then you interfere with it, by killing off the easier to kill germs, so there's nothing to keep the nastier ones in check. They proliferate - like when you use antibiotics, they destroy the good as well as the bad, but only the super bad ones survive and that's how people get superbugs taking hold.

If I were you (or anyone) I would be avoiding alcohol hand gels like the plague, and washing my hands a bit more often. Especially as loads of germy people have touched the dispensers.

countrykitten Wed 03-Apr-13 18:51:35

MDC but have they wiped? (Please say yes) And if so they should hand wash! Germs from piss and shit permeate loo roll for goodness sake!

MandragoraWurzelstock Wed 03-Apr-13 18:51:35

MRSA is simply a resistant bug

it's evolved partly because of over or misuse of antibiotics afaik

but it is allowed to flourish in situations where other, less dangerous bacteria are not present

and it is spread by people not washing their hands, to rinse it off, as the gels do not kill it OR wash it off iyswim

reliance on the gels is a very bad idea

countrykitten Wed 03-Apr-13 18:52:45

I am in some sort of shock that people don't wash their hands after the loo as a matter of course. I may faint soon.

Happy247 Wed 03-Apr-13 18:55:12

When out of the house with DD we hardly ever wash our hands after visiting the bathroom but use anti b gel once outside. She has SEN and finds the noise of the dryer unbearable...if its only us in the bathroom we will wash and shake to dry!smile Just please be aware that not all children/adults can cope with the sensory overload. grin

OneHandFlapping Wed 03-Apr-13 18:58:55

"what if they used tissue to flush and tissue to open door, and didn't want to wash?"

Tissue is hardly a germ-prood barrier!

countrykitten Wed 03-Apr-13 18:59:05

Why not shake to dry if there are people there too? It seems that the gel is not effective. I hate those bloody dryers too especially the Dyson ones that threaten to take your skin off

OneHandFlapping Wed 03-Apr-13 18:59:13

prood = proof

Happy247 Wed 03-Apr-13 19:08:13

country- somebody might already be using the dryer,(how scary would that be for hersad ) the anticipation... someone is washing their hands and might use the dryer any second, lots of people being in there...her speech and expressive language are improving daily, give DD a month or 2 and she will be able to explain what else scares her!!

countrykitten Wed 03-Apr-13 19:31:38

Yes sorry - I see exactly what you mean!

VerySmallSqueak Wed 03-Apr-13 19:43:28

I really think it's the whole toilet business itself that is filthy.
It's just an abundance of germs in one place.
For sure I wash after using a loo.

But a nice quick pee in a bush has surely got to be a pretty clean affair so long as you don't actually piddle all over your hands?It's not a quick wee that's the problem,it's the breeding places you touch that are associated with it imo.

EmmaGellerGreen Wed 03-Apr-13 20:12:47

Happy got there first! Until a while ago, DS was terrified of hand dryers and consequently of toilets outside homes altogether, especially the thought of someone else using them! So it was always in and out as quickly as possible for us and hand gel when we were clear of the noises. We never died / got ill from toilet germs!

DeepPurple Wed 03-Apr-13 23:24:36

At least you used a hand gel though EmmaGeller! It might not be the best option but at least you did what you could.

I can't believe that some people are openly admitting that they don't wash their hands. Genuine question, do you wash your hands at home after using the loo?

DeepPurple Wed 03-Apr-13 23:27:54

VerySmall, it's funny really cos in an open space the lack of hand washing would bother me less. Probably because there are less likely to be other people's germs teaming everywhere! On the few occasions I have had to do this/take DD, I have tended to either at least use a baby wipe or splash my hands with outlet water. It feels like a nod in the right direction until proper hand washing facilities are available!

I really hate using public toilets only to discover the soap has run out. Shudder.

DeepPurple Wed 03-Apr-13 23:28:33

Outlet water? Bottled of course grin

HoppinMad Wed 03-Apr-13 23:53:23

I always wash hands after using the loo, and have taught dc(3) to do the same, in fact he has to use handwash too or has a meltdown.
Other day he was on the loo (no.2) while I was on the phone, told him to wait just a minute for me to wipe and wash him (messy bugger), but he decided to jump off the toilet straight after his business, whipped pants up but washed his hands WITH soap grin so proud sniff

I am a bit anal about try and avoid public toilets, as the thought of other peoples germs all over toilet handle/cubicle doors etc has me in a cold sweat. I have ishoos, I know.

ZebraOwl Thu 04-Apr-13 00:24:52

Lots of people have MRSA just hanging out on their skin doing no damage/causing no trouble: they do swabs to check if you're MRSA+ before planned hospital admissions (esp surgical ones!) so they can take necessary precautions to prevent it starting to Cause Trouble.

As to handwashing, I accidentally made a woman think I was telling her off when I was in fact directing a Brownie to wash her hands after she'd been to the loo. Thankfully she looked mortified & headed back to the sinks rather than coming & giving me a slap with her manky dirty nasty hands. On another Brownie Trip I got asked if I'm a doctor whilst I was in the loos at the museum we were visiting because of how thoroughly I wash my hands...

countrykitten Thu 04-Apr-13 08:08:02

Some folks are just plain dirty.

katolla Thu 04-Apr-13 08:23:00

On the train yesterday, the man before me was in the toilet for ages and left something terrible. I went in to change dd and then couldn't get the stupid taps to work. Didn't know if I was doing it wrong so I asked him in front of everyone if he'd managed to wash his hands. He looked sheepish and said no. I am mean. (And then i realised I had baby wipes I could use).

Never touch anything on trains because its covered in this man's diarrhoea poo germs.

SneezingwakestheJesus Thu 04-Apr-13 08:33:07

I remember being at work and one of the cafe staff came out the cubicle and wandered straight back out after she'd done her business. Gross gross gross. We were a very very busy supermarket and the cafe was always full of people. Dirty mare.

Chipstick10 Thu 04-Apr-13 08:46:28

Omg it's a real peave of mine. Cannot stand it when people don't wash their hands.

countrykitten Thu 04-Apr-13 08:50:18

shock at 'left something terrible....'

MandragoraWurzelstock Thu 04-Apr-13 09:21:17

We keep old bottles of mineral water in the car and use them on occasion for this - if someone has accidentally got dirty or fallen over or trodden in something. Or if we've touched something sticky etc.

We just pour a bit of water over our hands next to the car, rub them together, then rinse.

HollyBerryBush Thu 04-Apr-13 09:38:46

Let me think about this.

Person A - goes to loo, doesn't wash hands, touches door handle on way out.

Person B - goes to loo, touch taps, wash hands, touch taps again, touches door handle.

I'm still seeing the same spread of germs.

MandragoraWurzelstock Thu 04-Apr-13 10:02:33

This is why I use toilet roll, or a paper towel, or my shoulder to open the doors on the way out, Holly.

I guess all door handles etc have germs on but at least I'm not touching the ones immediately by the toilets.

I have to admit to having some issues regarding this - I avoid public toilets at all costs and rarely take my children into them either.

greensmoothiegoddess Thu 04-Apr-13 11:13:01

Deep Purple - always wash hands at home.

It's the manky loos out and about that are troublesome. The ones with no hand towels and a sliver of grimy looking soap IF you are lucky. The ones with mank all coated over the taps.

Like I said, I don't touch a thing.

Owllady Thu 04-Apr-13 11:19:21

I don't understand why someone wouldn't wash their hands either after using the toilet

I know someone who works in infection control and the only thing that gets rid of a lot of nasty bugs/viruses is hot soapy water (not anti bac gel)

countrykitten Thu 04-Apr-13 11:21:11

But you then have your own faecal matter/urine on your hands (loo roll is not a barrier) and YOU are contributing to the germ spread that you are moaning/paranoid about! Ridiculous.

countrykitten Thu 04-Apr-13 11:22:10

Makes mental note never shake hands with greensmoothiegoddess


SneezingwakestheJesus Thu 04-Apr-13 11:28:26

This is why I avoid the public toilets as much as possible. They must be FULL of germs! I dread when dd is old enough to use toilets out and about.

Arabesque Thu 04-Apr-13 11:32:12

I can't stand it when people don't wash their hands after using the loo. It's really inconsiderate and people who think it's no one else's business are wrong, wrong, wrong. You are going to be touching other things, possibly preparing food for other people etc. How long does it take to put a big of soap on your hands and run the tap?
As for people who work in hospitals and don't wash their hands - that should be a sacking offence.

MyDarlingClementine Thu 04-Apr-13 12:22:54


Thats why I always use my sleeve or tissue to touch all handles and doors in loo's and always go for the very tip or bottom of the door handle!

MyDarlingClementine Thu 04-Apr-13 12:24:34

I really fanatically upped the hand washing in my house this winter after an arrival of NB and a DC in reception.

We managed to navigate loads of nasties going round including from my DD.

I down graded the fanaticism slightly as baby got older and we all caught colds.
It does work!

greensmoothiegoddess Thu 04-Apr-13 15:03:44

country kitten - are you a troll? You are taking things just that bit too far. Calm down luv! You are working yourself up into a frenzy lol.

greensmoothiegoddess Thu 04-Apr-13 15:05:04

Same here, mydarlingcelementine. Great minds etc.

VerySmallSqueak Thu 04-Apr-13 15:10:56

If I'm out and about and need a pee,I find a bit of spit on my hands and a quick rub is enough to clean 'em up when I'm done.

countrykitten Thu 04-Apr-13 16:17:49

Nope not a troll - just a hygenic person!

GinAndSlimlinePlease Thu 04-Apr-13 16:25:48

I never knew that about anti bac gels. I will use mine less often.

I do love a good hand clean though. so satisfying.

And then I use my sleeve to open the door of the bathroom.

I might be a germ freak grin

greensmoothiegoddess Thu 04-Apr-13 16:34:13

Haha - me too Gin. First thing I do when I'm through my front door is a good hand scrub.

greensmoothiegoddess Thu 04-Apr-13 16:34:59

I like your style, VerySmallSqueak. Might have to try that!

VerySmallSqueak Thu 04-Apr-13 18:28:40


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