AIBU to be pissed off a DD1s I.T Teacher???

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Ok dd1 has came home since the February holiday telling me and dh stories about her IT teacher. In her words "She is grumpy, fat and would sooner yell at you for not listening before hearing your question". So curious me decided to ask my friend who's twins dds are in the same class and I heard similar clames.

While my dd1, who is very tech savvy has no bother, she has told me (and my friend told me her dds said) that if you can't understand her shouts (been told she always shouts for no reason)the you fall behind and get yelled at more.

So AIBU to be pissed off a DD1s I.T Teacher???

Celticlassie Tue 02-Apr-13 02:04:38

Well, if she's fat, she clearly shouldn't be teaching. hmm

Almost forgot even though my dd has no problems in the class she is always scared after (due to teachers excessive yells)

OkayHazel Tue 02-Apr-13 02:10:14

Discuss your concerns at the next parents evening.

SneezingwakestheJesus Tue 02-Apr-13 02:14:45

YANBU to be pissed off that the shouting is getting people far behind but it shouldn't be the teacher you are pissed off at. Its unlikely that she shouts for no reason. I'd hazard a guess that some of the class misbehaves and she shouts because of that. Therefore you should be pissed off at the people in the class who are pushing her to her limit.

SneezingwakestheJesus Tue 02-Apr-13 02:15:19

Oops, so I think YABU to be pissed off at the teacher.

Some teachers are grumpy, some are lovely, imo the different teachers and approaches prepare them for life after school.

What has her weight got to do with anything though? Did you pull your daughter up on using that in her charming description?

Well my daughter actually said "Rather large around the waist, really " but her friend piped up and said she Is very fat.

In fact I don't actually know why I put that in but I will mention it at parents night that she is scaring my dd.

How old is your dd?

11 soon to be 12 and she has a fear of really load noises ( I mean like if some

You can't expect a teacher not to shout because your dd is scared of loud noises though. How is she supposed to get the attention of the class or tell someone off?

What do you suggest the teacher do instead of shouting?

If your dd is really scared of her then you could maybe ask for her to change classes instead of telling the teacher how to do her job.

anonymosity Tue 02-Apr-13 03:15:30

No teacher should have to shout, in an ideal world. I find it hard to see why it would be necessary in an IT class, but have witnessed it being needed in a particularly rowdy assembly (at a now closed-down Hammersmith middle school...)

Boutdesouffle Tue 02-Apr-13 03:40:06

Why would you be pissed off with the teacher if your child "has no bother"?
Your daughter is VERY rude though, what has the teacher's size got to do with anything. You should be pissed off with your daughter for being so unpleasant.

Tenacity Tue 02-Apr-13 04:05:50

OP what relevance is her weight?

sweetiepie1979 Tue 02-Apr-13 04:15:36

I think a discussion with your daughter on the description of her teacher is nasty, hopefully you've had a word with her regarding that. After that I'd be inclined to understand why the teacher Is shouting, the class are not showing her respect and she has to take control of teenagers.

MissAnnersley Tue 02-Apr-13 04:21:56

It's not good that your daughter is scared and I wouldn't be thrilled about the shouting either. If it is really worrying you then you should contact the school.

I really don't know why you included a description of the teacher's size either. In my experience it's always best to discourage personal comments about teachers.

coralanne Tue 02-Apr-13 04:48:24

Definitely speak to the teacher.

It's just not on to be shouting to control your class.

When my DS was 15 he had an extremely nasty, shouty (and now I come to think of it ...fat...) Maths teacher.

When I went to parent/teacher interviews, I could see exactly what he meant.

She was horrible. Said my DS was brilliant at Maths but didn't communicate very well with her.

I said "That's because he thinks you shout too much and he's not used to people shouting. He doesn't even shout at his dog"

Tryharder Tue 02-Apr-13 05:27:48

Why don't you write to Ofsted?

BrianButterfield Tue 02-Apr-13 05:47:42

I have classes who think i am grumpy and a bit shouty. I also have classes who think I am the next best thing to Mary Poppins. Funnily enough, it's the naughtier classes who think I'm not very nice....

zwischenzug Tue 02-Apr-13 06:00:47

Write to ofsted and tell them that if a teacher is fat you expect them to be jolly.

MissAnnersley Tue 02-Apr-13 06:03:44

Perhaps ofsted will start weighing teachers too.

<waddles off to the gym>

HollaAtMeBaby Tue 02-Apr-13 09:08:57

Saying your DD aged ELEVEN shouldn't be in a class where the teacher shouts because she has a fear of loud noises is just about the most PFB thing I've ever seen on here. Have some flowers

NotTreadingGrapes Tue 02-Apr-13 09:12:44

Have you been mulling this over since February OP? confused

chocoflump Tue 02-Apr-13 09:13:31

OP I thought u were going to say your DD is 5.

She's ELEVEN!!!

And as for the teacher being fat- that does not automatically make her a bad person. If it does then I must be a bad person. You don't know her story so don't judge her based on her weight.

I think YABU and I also find you offensive!

NotTreadingGrapes Tue 02-Apr-13 09:13:33

Perhaps, as others have said, you and the other parents could have a word with the kids about not calling the teacher names, and behaving a bit more in class so she doesn't have to shout?

ShatnersBassoon Tue 02-Apr-13 09:22:34

Fat people are loud because they've got fat vocal chords. They give the naughtiest classes the fattest teachers. It's perfectly logical.

TeamEdward Tue 02-Apr-13 09:26:42

Sack all the fat shouty teachers! How very dare they!

noblegiraffe Tue 02-Apr-13 09:35:18

I wouldn't be an IT teacher for anything, classes never take it seriously and piss around all the time.

Kids often think that they are being shouted at when the teacher simply has to raise their voice to be heard.

cricketballs Tue 02-Apr-13 09:41:34

anonymosity can I ask your reasons for this comment; No teacher should have to shout, in an ideal world. I find it hard to see why it would be necessary in an IT class?

Why do you think that an IT class will have perfect behaviour? ICT is one of the hardest subjects to have control of behaviour as students struggle with the temptation of messing with keyboards/continue their work if you are having a discussion; some students struggle with the temptation of being able to try and 'stray' onto game websites if they are using the internet during a lesson; most people struggle to understand that because their PFB can use FB then it obviously means they know everything about ICT that point was aimed at Gove!

I am not a 'loud' person at all and my year 13s have actually said in feedback that they love my lessons but sometimes I need to speak up grin I've had children though insist that I do nothing but shout hmm Honestly, the number of times 'shout' is substituted for 'said in a sharp tone of voice' or 'called' (as in getting the whole class to listen - "RIGHT everyone!" etc.)

I have become a bit impatient at times with being asked the same question twelve-fifteen times over especially when I've told them. I have certainly said in the past "right, no more questions now!" as the amount of questioning was just ridiculous - year 7s are particularly guilty of this, come to think of it: "can I turn over the page? did we have homework? Is it dinner next?" I think you need to have a chat with this teacher and just find out what is actually happening, and then put your mind at rest a bit.

niceguy2 Tue 02-Apr-13 10:05:16

I'd say take what your DD says with a pinch of salt.

I can't imagine any teacher going into a class thinking "I know how best to teach this class.....i'll scream at them."

More likely is that the class are misbehaving. I would speak to the teacher yes. But to get her side of the story. If it turns out that your DD is one of those who is misbehaving then you can deal with it.

It wouldn't be the first time a 12 year old has only told one side of the story. I had a classic a few weeks ago from my DD who is 16. Apparently one of her teachers was being really mardy, always shouting. When I probed deeper it turns out that he'd just found out his brother had been diagnosed with cancer. Sorry darling but maybe you and your classmates should show your teacher a bit more respect by being quiet and studious rather than a bunch of chattering hyena's?

Well - to be honest niceguy, that isn't an excuse for always shouting (assuming a class are reasonably well behaved) and being mardy. It is a reason, certainly, but we are adults when all is said and done. The main issue here I think is with the "shouting" - the nastiest piece of work I ever had as a teacher never shouted, he didn't need to (think Professor Snape from HP.) By contrast I have had a few loud, noisy, yelling teachers who were/are harmless enough and tended to be loudly affectionate rather than loudly spiteful.

soverylucky Tue 02-Apr-13 10:27:54

Is she shouting to be heard? The excitement of 30 children in a room with computers who are in a classroom that is designed so that not all the students are looking at the teacher can mean that she has to shout to be heard.
Perhaps she is shouting because the children are naughty? I used to teach in a school with really naughty children and I did shout. Probably not the best thing to do - I never shout now because the children are pretty much all well behaved. So if your dd is not enjoying lessons the way to approach this is to discuss concerns at parents evening. I would not rely on what my dd's friends said especially if they were rude children like those mentioned in the op.

I also want to add that the comments about the teachers weight are horrible. I am fat but I have been rated outstanding in all PM reviews of the last 5 years and in an Ofsted lesson.

TheCatIsUpTheDuff Tue 02-Apr-13 10:31:52

Is this a naice church school in Northamptonshire? If so, your DD is SO right. The teacher may not be there any more, but there certainly was an enormous IT teacher who did nothing but shout. She once reduced a young female teacher almost to tears - it was a fundraising mufti day and the teacher had been sponsored to wear school uniform, but had her shirt untucked!

Better luck next year.

niceguy2 Tue 02-Apr-13 10:32:55

I know what you mean porridge but at the end of the day it's hard to imagine a teacher shouting for the sake of shouting. It just takes too much effort. And if they are shouting because the class is misbehaving then they shouldn't be misbehaving.

And a bunch of 15-16yr old's should be old enough (and wise enough) to understand that if your teacher has just had a massive bombshell like that dropped that he is likely to be not in the mood for stupid behaviour. And if they don't realise it then they flipping well should learn.

maddy68 Tue 02-Apr-13 11:01:15

Sounds like a strict teacher. Not always popular with teenagers smile.
I wouldn't say anything and see for yourself at parents evening grin

coralanne Tue 02-Apr-13 11:10:44

I don't think that a teacher should be shouting at a class of 11 year olds.

It generally means that their teaching and control strategies aren't up to scratch.

I always found that if a class got a bit out of hand the best way of bringing their attention back to the task at hand was to stand and say nothing.

coralanne Tue 02-Apr-13 11:12:39

Can't really believe that most people on this thread seem to think that the DD is at fault and that it's OK for a teacher to be grumpy and shouty most of the time.

BoneyBackJefferson Tue 02-Apr-13 11:15:19

coralanne

"I always found that if a class got a bit out of hand the best way of bringing their attention back to the task at hand was to stand and say nothing."

The last teacher I saw doing that was stood there for 20 minutes, the same for the one that would put his hand up for silence.

It works for some classes and not for others.

GraceSpeaker Tue 02-Apr-13 11:17:26

Sorry - so your daughter actually has no problem with this teacher other than not liking loud noises (good luck with that in a high school)? Why are you leading a campaign to be pissed off at her on behalf of your friend's children? If your friend has a problem, let her talk to the teacher about it on the phone or at parents' evening.

If your daughter isn't making good progress, then it's your problem and you should contact the school.

NotTreadingGrapes Tue 02-Apr-13 11:23:54

Ah yes, the old hand held up in the air thing and waiting until 30 x 12 yr olds realised en masse they were being unreasonable.

How I cringed when I was observing those teachers. And how the kids took the piss.

Tryharder Tue 02-Apr-13 11:25:59

I was being sarcastic about the writing to Ofsted thing btw. The ironic eye brow raise emoticon has disappeared.

coralanne Tue 02-Apr-13 11:29:34

Boney The longest I had to wait was ten minutes.

Then my response was "Well that was 10 minutes you will never get back. I hope your parents will understand if that lost 10 minutes means that you will not progress as quickly as they thought you would".

Subject was Maths.

MissAnnersley Tue 02-Apr-13 11:35:58

I got it tryharder.

coralanne Tue 02-Apr-13 11:37:49

NotTreadingGrapes I have never held my hand up in my life.

I just waited. The DC gradually came to the realisation that I really didn't care one way or the other if they choose not to participate in the class.

Most of them were pretty intelligent and decided to participate.

Somewhere along the line, the student has to take responsibility for their own learning. The role of the teacher should gradually become one of facilitor.

By the time they start university they are not going to have anyone yelling at them to do their work.

SneezingwakestheJesus Tue 02-Apr-13 11:41:51

Coralanne, genuine question, would that work for the really rowdy (sp?) classes? What if they decided it was more fun to carry on wasting their own time too? Would you have to adapt it for them?

coralanne Tue 02-Apr-13 11:53:27

Sneezing. Possibly not. In a perfect world these classes would have Teachers specially trained in this area.

The last thing they would need is a Teacher who is impatient and shouty.

Blissx Tue 02-Apr-13 12:01:54

You are BVU to be pissed off at her IT Teacher and U to not be pointing out to your DD that that is not the way to speak about people. Stop this incessant teacher bashing and teach your DD that better behaviour is the key. If your DD gets one hint that you will always be on her side and not the teachers and condone bad mouthing them, you will see a slippery slope to bad behaviour and poor grades.

She will not like every teacher she has or will have (did you like all of your teachers and haven't you turned out fine?) or even every colleague or Boss she may have. It's called growing up.

EvilTwins Tue 02-Apr-13 12:13:52

coralanne - 10 minutes? Bloody hell, OFSTED would crucify you! You sound awfully smug about your genius method of getting students quiet, but wasting that amount of time is ridiculous.

OP, I second all mentions of kids not always using the term "shouting" in the same way that an adult would. I teach drama, and have to raise my voice to bring classes back together- 32 yr 9s all getting on with practical work gets VERY loud. That's not "shouting" though, which, in my view, implies a loss of control.

BoneyBackJefferson Tue 02-Apr-13 12:18:19

coralanne

"I just waited. The DC gradually came to the realisation that I really didn't care one way or the other if they choose not to participate in the class.

Most of them were pretty intelligent and decided to participate."

Your school and parents are much different to the school that I teach at.

KansasCityOctopus Tue 02-Apr-13 12:25:43

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

fuzzysnout Tue 02-Apr-13 12:26:33

The shouty fat cow. Complain to the head and have her sacked immediately. Perhaps you could start accompanying your PFB poor DD to school to make sure that no one scares her by being too loud or too fat in future.

b4bunnies Tue 02-Apr-13 12:26:38

speak to the teacher immediately and recommend a weight-loss programme. tell her you'll be back at the beginning of each month to check her progress, or will delegate the weigh-in to your children on a rota.

encourage your children to be as vile as possible. why not? the woman is fat and dealing with an unruly class. they can really let off steam and no-one will care.

regarding shouting, speak to the school leadership. they will not allow shouting. unless they do it.

coralanne Wed 03-Apr-13 05:00:20

EvilTwins I wasn't the one wasting 10 minutes. The DC were.smile

I will come clean and say it has been 10 years and another country where this took place. As far as OFSTED is concerned, I am eternally grateful that I have never taught in or had DC educated in England.

Boney The school I taught in was different from the normal run of the mill school. A selective Government school.

But children are the same wherever you live. If they have boundries and guidelines (and a reasonable amount of slack rope) then they will respond reasonably well.

It also helps when parents and teachers are on the same side.

TheFallenNinja Wed 03-Apr-13 06:26:47

No, surely not, a child that says something negative about her teacher.

Classic halfastoryitis

EvilTwins Wed 03-Apr-13 08:09:03

Coralanne- I disagree. Sorry.

seeker Wed 03-Apr-13 08:15:05

grin@coralanne's hugely relevant anecdotes!

OP- what sort of marks is your dd getting?

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