To think young dogs and children together is a bit ick?

(62 Posts)
gostraighttojail Mon 01-Apr-13 15:17:54

Our friends have just gone home. They came to us for Easter with their new puppy. Very sweet, very dizzy, very, well, er disgusting really.
I don't dislike dogs and I am usually happy to do the bare minimum housework-wise around the place but I found myself wanting to mop and sanitise everything.
It just doesn't seem right for the dog to eat its own shit shockand horse shit and deer shit and then chew the kids' toys. Or walk all over the kitchen floor with feet that have just walked outside in aforementioned shit, then we all walk across it in our socks or slippers and put our feet up on the sofas or chairs or in bed. Or for the dog to lick its bum and then my kids' hands. And I will never, ever get used to picking up dog shit in a plastic bag. Yuck shock I was glad when the had gone. I just can't get the smell of dog out of the house.

DuttyWine Mon 01-Apr-13 15:21:26

Yanbu I don't get how dogs that lick their own bumholes then kiss up to people's faces. Yuk! I watched obsessive compulsive cleaners and one woman with OCD had her dog sleep on her bed which I thought was a complete contradiction.

IntheFrame Mon 01-Apr-13 15:22:21

I don't dislike dogs - wow, can't imagine what you'd say if you hated them ..

gostraighttojail Mon 01-Apr-13 15:24:42

Seriously. I am just stating facts. Exactly what happened. I was kinda thinking someone might explain to me that is not normal dog behaviour or something. I don't know much about them but so many people with little kids have them. I thought it was a nice thing to have a dog but this weekend had been a real eye opener!

SneezingwakestheJesus Mon 01-Apr-13 15:31:00

Dutty, OCD is often contradictory like that and not logical at all. Thats one of the reasons OCD is incredibly frustrating to have. My mum can't get her head round the fact that mine makes me terrified of germs in my house and I can't even touch my dustbin but when I'm at other people's houses, I won't worry about germs at all.

SneezingwakestheJesus Mon 01-Apr-13 15:31:32

Ooh got sidetracked haha OP I think YANBU!

OldBagWantsNewBag Mon 01-Apr-13 15:34:46

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Pandemoniaa Mon 01-Apr-13 15:35:33

Actually, quite a lot of what you describe is normal behaviour! But you don't have to encourage bum licking dogs to kiss the faces of anyone. In fact, I always discourage this precisely because I know exactly where my dog has been. However, at least your "icky" (!!) reaction has proved to you that you'd be best off not getting a dog. Which is good news for both you and the dog, really.

Pandemoniaa Mon 01-Apr-13 15:38:06

PS. I'd also confirm that not all dogs eat shit either. Nor do they come into the house with shitty feet unless you allow this. Puppies are hard work but if you put the work in you'll get well socialised dogs that know the routines of the house. Which include having clean feet and not chewing toys that aren't theirs to chew.

cricketballs Mon 01-Apr-13 15:43:33

I think its a good job the puppy didn't also roll in shit like mine does on a regular basis grin!

Pandemoniaa is right; its good news that you have found out you are not a dog person before you had one yourself

isitsnowingyet Mon 01-Apr-13 15:44:16

Young children can be pretty icky too. Believe me. The dog you're talking about is a little puppy, and yes they are a lot of work. But worth it in the end grin

Mandytm Mon 01-Apr-13 15:47:37

I've seen children put their hands in the potty among other gross activities, on par with puppies eating poo.

Having either in the house will make for a good variety of household bacteria, but we still love them.

DuttyWine Mon 01-Apr-13 15:49:08

But a child's hand in the potty won't cause blindness like dog shit does...

gostraighttojail Mon 01-Apr-13 15:55:03

Nothing against dogs; just not a good mix with very young kids who aren't yet hygiene conscious IMHO. Therefore can't understand how/why people do mix them. Often.

Iggly Mon 01-Apr-13 15:57:26

YANBU

I got very angry when a dog in the park came up to dd and grabbed a stick from her hand and slobbered all over her. Get that slobbering thing away from my child. I don't lick your face so don't lick hers.

OldBagWantsNewBag Mon 01-Apr-13 16:00:48

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Kithulu Mon 01-Apr-13 16:02:11

This was your friends dog but YOU had to pick up its poop in bags?? Really? Why did they not clean up after their own dog?

Yabu, puppies are young dogs, young dogs are just like babies. We all originate from being a baby, we were all messy & yucky once.
Yanbu to not want the dog in your house, but yabu to disklike young dogs.

DuttyWine Mon 01-Apr-13 16:06:03

Ok I worded that wrong I just mean you have to more careful with dog hygiene than your child's as the consequences are likely to be worse.

NumericalMum Mon 01-Apr-13 16:06:44

I caught my DC aged 9 months licking her pram wheels once. She also dropped something on the floor of the tube and then are it before I could stop her. She picks her nose and is terrible at washing her hands...

RandallPinkFloyd Mon 01-Apr-13 16:08:44

What you're talking about there is an untrained dog.

Having an untrained or very young dog around young kids would be horrendously hard work and I certainly wouldn't want to do it.

However, whilst my dog does eat shit (amongst a variety of other things hmm ) and walks in poo occasionally. What she doesn't do is lick me or DS (bleurgh), chew toys that aren't hers, or walk around the house with crap on her feet.

I will concede that the child will have dog hair on them pretty much permanently and unless you are superhuman there will be at least one "ick" moment but it's also a lot of fun.

I am, unintentionally, an LP and have been since DS was 4mo. My dog is a ridiculous animal but my house is perfectly clean and she behaves impecably around DS.

A bit of work around "leave it" (and washing the poor dog's feet) and life would be much happier and healthier all round.

gostraighttojail Mon 01-Apr-13 16:09:58

Pumpkinsweetie: It's the mix of young dogs and kids that astonishes me, given the hygiene issues, absolutely not a dislike of them.

MrsDeVere Mon 01-Apr-13 16:12:10

What do you think the children are going to catch from being around the dog?
What is going to actually happen?

There are a few diseases that can be passed on but if the dog is properly cared for and vaccinated these should not be an issue.

yy to OCD being contradictory. If it was logical it wouldn't be classed as a MH issue would it?

My kids can be covered in mud and I am fine but tomato sauce on the walls can reduce me to the verge of tears.

OldBagWantsNewBag Mon 01-Apr-13 16:12:13

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Smudging Mon 01-Apr-13 16:16:05

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Kithulu Mon 01-Apr-13 16:17:51

There is also a school of thought that says it is good for children to be exposed to the extra dirt etc associated with pets as it help to build strong immune system.
Here

DuttyWine Mon 01-Apr-13 16:18:46

Interesting about the asthma, I wonder if people who have allergies to cat and dog fur have them because they have never bring exposed to them so are not immune? Or am I just talking (dog) shit?! grin

gostraighttojail Mon 01-Apr-13 16:21:15

Mrsdevere: please look again at your first paragraph. It seems a bit terrier-like in attitude wink
I have no idea what my kids may or may not catch from the dog, to answer your question. But I don't really like the idea of their toys having regurgitated shit from a variety of manners licked all over them.

gostraighttojail Mon 01-Apr-13 16:21:58

Mammals

ChasingDogs Mon 01-Apr-13 16:23:03

I grew up with dogs, puppies, cats, horses and all sorts of other unhygienic animals. Large amounts of my childhood was spent shoveling shite and generally cleaning up after them. I'm still here, and perfectly healthy.

Puppies are messy little gits, so YANBU in that respect. But they do grow out of it much faster than children do. grin

crashdoll Mon 01-Apr-13 16:23:49

YABU. My trained dog does not chew anything other than his toys and the occasional sock. Thankfully, he's never eaten his own shit nor the shit of another animal.

Our dog only eats rabbit shit, why h makes me want to vomit. She does not shit or urinate in our garden, does not touch kids you'd or lick anyone and yet still I find myself hoovering and febreezing her regularly. She is not allowed up stairs or on furniture either, god writing that's kea me realise what a shit life she must have!

So YANBU why people let dogs lick them or go on furniture or touch there childrens belongings is beyond me. But some people don't train their kids or their dogs for that matter!

TidyDancer Mon 01-Apr-13 16:26:31

IME, children are far more disgusting creatures than dogs.

Yes, I am a mother and no, I'm not joking.

My dog doesn't surreptitiously pick it's nose or scratch it's bum. And I have to worm it less than the children.

I think the licking is a worry though. Poor dog might pick up something nasty from the children grin

X post Tidy

Twattybollocks Mon 01-Apr-13 16:29:50

My kids learned to crawl in the indoor barn at the stables where I kept my horse. They also, like me, drank out of the hosepipe we use to fill the horses water buckets from being about a year old. They are almost never ill. They both had slapped cheek a few weeks ago, but before that, had not had a cold/stomach bug/virus for 18 months. In fact I can count on one hand the number of times they have been properly ill since they were babies. Sure they get the odd sniffle, or maybe a high temp that lasts a day and they are a bit off colour with it, but nothing worse. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I do know that every single time they have been ill it's something they have caught from other people, and not something caught from contact with muck or animals!

snowballschanceineaster Mon 01-Apr-13 16:35:39

I had dogs all my young life, but still have dog related allergies which lead to pet related asthma in my mid-twenties. Exposure to dogs is not a guarantee of life long health and an asthma free future.

My dog doesn't eat her own poo, but she does lick her bum then tries to kiss me and dd. She's lovely and dd is so rarely ill it defies reason. We should both be plague ridden wiht the amount of germs we're exposed to daily!

MrsDeVere Mon 01-Apr-13 16:37:34

I don't understand your post OP sorry.
The wink doesn't clarify.

I was asking you a question.

Is it just dogs you feel like this about?

What about other pets?

How do you cope with flies?

How do you let your children out the door at all?

ddubsgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 16:39:33

Another dog bashing thread oh the joys hmm

Smudging Mon 01-Apr-13 16:40:25

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IamMummyhearmeROAR Mon 01-Apr-13 16:43:23

I'd rather kiss my dog than most people.

ChasingDogs Mon 01-Apr-13 16:43:37

I used to get a chocolate biscuit after I'd mucked out the horses... and nobody made me wash my hands first

Happy, germy days smile

RandallPinkFloyd Mon 01-Apr-13 16:48:22

Did you miss all the posts telling you that well trained dogs don't lick people or children's toys?

Or are you one of those bizarre people who thinks it makes you superior to think all dogs, and therefore dog owners, are dirty?

acceptableinthe80s Mon 01-Apr-13 16:52:53

Unless your kids ate the dog shit they'll be fine. Children are way more likely to pick up germs at nursery/school than from family pets.
I love dogs just hate crap owners. Yesterday I took ds to roll his eggs which we spent ages painting and as we were rolling our eggs a big slobbery dulux dog came running down the hill and started chasing all the children then ate ds's egg
shock.
He was not amused.

SoniaGluck Mon 01-Apr-13 16:53:07

Another dog bashing thread oh the joys Just what I was thinking, ddubs.

It seems to go in cycles: anti-dog, anti-cat, smoking by entrances/ in one's own garden shock, anti-dog, benefit cheats/scroungers, anti-dog, swearing/bullying on MN, etc. etc. ad infinitum.

minicreamegg Mon 01-Apr-13 17:03:49

OP are you my mum?

My 2 German Shepherds were here before my DS (age 1) so what do you suggest I do, rehome them now I have a baby? a baby that is currently sharing his dinner with them

ddubsgirl Mon 01-Apr-13 17:09:00

wink Have yet to be ill because of a dog!! Kids have yet to be ill because of the dog or the cat! Yet to know anyone become ill because of a dog!

pigsDOfly Mon 01-Apr-13 18:20:44

A well trained dog is a joy and can be an enormous benefit to health and well being - think of all the therapy dogs that visit old peoples homes and sick children.

My dog doesn't eat her own or other animals shit but I still wouldn't let her lick my face. Come to that there's a lot of people I wouldn't let lick my face either.

binger Mon 01-Apr-13 18:25:49

My dog occasionally eats shit, I guess she only picks the really tasty ones as she is fussy. They are pretty manky but they don't mean to be, my kids on the other hand are pretty disgusting, and they do mean it.

I could do without the shit eating and bum licking though. They get very good at avoiding stepping in shit as they get older, the kids stand in it more often. I hose her feet before she's allowed in the house anyway.

gostraighttojail Mon 01-Apr-13 22:35:43

Why so many defensive and abrasive comments?
I obviously haven't made my post clear enough.
It's not all dogs, just this little puppy with a penchant for eating shit and licking my 1 Y O and her toys. She has only been with my friends 2 weeks, of course she isn't trained yet! They are in the process (apparently).
I am not averse to dirt; the contrary in fAct. I just genuinely do not understand how people can manage to follow basic hygiene with a toddler and a tiny puppy. And I don't mean O C D.

poppypebble Mon 01-Apr-13 22:50:31

Well my four siblings and I managed to be brought up with 3 dogs. In fact at one stage when the female dog made a leap over the garden wall and had puppies there were 10 dogs. My mum used to let me bring one puppy into the living room to watch playschool with me. I used to sneak two in instead and hide one, which was not easy to do.

YABU and the 'abrasive' comments are perhaps because those of us who do like dogs and have them in homes with children don't like being told that we are dirty or somehow endangering children. My niece, long before my DSis got a dog, was found with half a worm in her hand. The other half had been eaten. That is much more disgusting than anything a dog may do.

Mumsyblouse Mon 01-Apr-13 22:55:13

I guess this is how the child-free view children. I am not a dog-lover myself, but surely you can see the parallels with young babies?!

Maggie111 Mon 01-Apr-13 23:22:14

Research has shown that living with cats and dogs is actually beneficial to babies... healthland.time.com/2012/07/09/study-why-dogs-and-cats-make-babies-healthier/

As a puppy it is difficult to train them not to eat poo, but possible. Personally I don't think puppies and babies mix because each needs so much attention - but people who are less lazy than me can do it! My puppy is a year old now, I'm 37 weeks pregnant and looking forward to introducing the two of them!

He doesn't eat poo, rarely steps in it and we'll be taking all the sensible precautions. But I am not especially fussy when it comes to hygiene etc.

Having living with a variety of animals, and now a 1 year old baby, I think I can safely say babies are far more disgusting grin

gostraighttojail Tue 02-Apr-13 08:05:42

Oh dear, still missing the point: it is neither dogs nor babies that this is about, merely young dogs and young children together. Is it a precondition for mumsnet that one is unable to read?

That is coming across as passive aggressive patronising and offensive. Did you mean to be so rude?

ilovexmastime Tue 02-Apr-13 08:38:40

YABU and as an aside, I can't believe that your friends brought an untrained puppy to stay in your house, I would never do that to someone. The first few weeks of training a dog can be a bit yuk, so why inflict it on a friend with a small child who is obviously not happy about it?
Note that I'm not saying that small children and young dogs should not go together, but that it should be your choice.

RubyGates Tue 02-Apr-13 10:27:26

I was adopted at three months old into household that had coincidentally just had two lots of sheltie puppies. I grew up with the puppies. In every photo there's me in the middle of a sea of fluff.

My mother is obsessively clean, and I doubt I was ever in danger of any hygiene issues, but it seemed like a very good mix to me. And one of the "Mummy" dogs adopted me as an extra puppy and was very protective of me. Excellent outcome. I've even overcome my craving for Bonios

OH also came ffrom a family of chaotic dogs and puppies. And is still here and reasonably sane.
So take your original title "To think young dogs and children together is a bit ick?"
YABVVU.

jamdonut Tue 02-Apr-13 10:33:22

Our family has a new puppy.(Now 13 weeks old) It is just like having a toddler. I need eyes in the back of my head.

We are getting on with the house training, but it is HARD work. I don't have small children though. We did not have animals when they were younger, because I just don't think you can trust any dog (or cat) with very small children.

I wouldn't be staying at anyone's house with our puppy just now, because that wouldn't be fair on the host or the puppy. She can mostly hang on long enough to go on short visits to other peoples houses , but still has the odd accident.

And we are stopping her from eating dried cat's poo,if she finds it in the garden,(and if we see her find it).

I am also not a person who freaks out at a bit of mess. My children, now 13 ,16 and 20 have always been very healthy children, partly, I believe, because I was not obsessive about 'hygiene'.

Life is for living, not to be scrubbed down, sterilised ,covered in 'anti-bac',or avoided altogether.

But that is just my opinion.

midastouch Tue 02-Apr-13 10:40:36

YABU its not always 'ick' I have dogs (they do not eat shit! That is not normal behavious) and 2 DCs 3.9 and 11mo. They are pretty healthy. My dogs aren't allowed upstairs (except one as she is very ill) nor are they allowed in DC playroom so they don't have access to toys. Its usually mud they tread in when its been raining so you mop the floor and dry there feet. Carpets are shampooed monthly. I have OCD and I cope with it!

shockers Tue 02-Apr-13 10:45:21

My dog keeps me sane... my children often have the opposite effect wink.

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