To think that if you honestly think you bought a brand new Phil & Ted's Vibe WITH doubles kit for £275 then you are a twat?

(165 Posts)
BarredfromhavingStella Sat 30-Mar-13 23:06:34

Just that really, have put my lovely P&T Vibe on FB for sale (yes I know FB is shit which is why I do not have a profile & it's posted on DH page) & have had comments saying 'I'm sure I bought mine new for that price"

Of course you didn't you fuckwit, a simple google would tell you that!!!
DH refuses to put this reply much to my irritation-do you see why I don't have a FB page? grin

Bearfrills Sat 30-Mar-13 23:08:10

The trouble with selling things is that some buyers seem to expect everything for free and their change on top!

YANBU.

LeggoAcubunnyture Sat 30-Mar-13 23:08:46

Just get him to link a page that sells it new. I loathe FB selling pages.

BarredfromhavingStella Sat 30-Mar-13 23:13:00

As do I but it's a local to us page & no arsing about with ebay fees-ebay is however where I will probably end up selling it...

TraineeBabyCatcher Sat 30-Mar-13 23:18:54

T'is why I hate selling things like this.

I hate the comments made about prices being high, I have and can do my homework when it comes to selling things- just because you mrtightwod wouldn't pay this price doesn't mean its not worth it and that someone else wont.

Bearfrills Sat 30-Mar-13 23:18:57

What about Gumtree?

BarredfromhavingStella Sat 30-Mar-13 23:26:03

Ahhhhh, thanks Bear , had completely forgot about Gumtree grin

merrymuzzie Sat 30-Mar-13 23:27:02

I second the gumtree suggestion, though you do get a lot of timewasters on it. I had a woman come over and have a look at my pram, say she was very happy, but was seeing several of the same pram that evening and would get back to me. This was after me saying that in order to not waste either of our time, please let me know if you have any questions before arriving. Cheeky mare!

While they may have been cheeky, something is only worth what people are prepared to pay, so if it doesn't sell then you need to be prepared to lower the price.

BadabingBadabong Sat 30-Mar-13 23:27:59

I always put the RRP on. Fbook selling pages are fab, solds loads on there.

Bearfrills Sat 30-Mar-13 23:28:20

You sometimes have to filter out the occasional try it on email ("yeah, of course I'll ship it to Romania ... you want my bank details so you can send payment? Okay, here you go.") but it's free and generally pretty good.

BarredfromhavingStella Sat 30-Mar-13 23:33:57

Errr no merry sorry but the pram on it's own RRP's at £569 so dropping the price is not going to happen hmm

Thanks again Bear , think I'll try on there before eBay-certainly not going to give it away...

merrymuzzie Sat 30-Mar-13 23:37:41

Barred that's not a dig. Just simple economics!

BarredfromhavingStella Sat 30-Mar-13 23:40:59

Lol, was just about to say merry that my post looks harsher than was meant to sound!! Am just pissed off with idiots trying to get something for nothing-like I said, a new one for what I'm selling mine with extras is just ridiculous!

SneezingwakestheJesus Sat 30-Mar-13 23:42:32

I remember when my cousin was selling her pram and i was tempted by it. She put a RRP price on it and it looked like a good deal but a quick google showed she had made the RRP up and was only selling her pram £50 less than new. Not much saving really.

But yeah YANBU that would annoy me too.

BarredfromhavingStella Sat 30-Mar-13 23:44:18

That's crap Sneezing , wouldn't do that simply cos it's so easy to google these things!

merrymuzzie Sat 30-Mar-13 23:44:29

No worries, I understand being pissed off at timewasters! Unfortunately its just something you need to deal with when selling things second hand.

SquinkieBunnies Sun 31-Mar-13 06:01:41

I've had a couple of off comments on the facebook sales pages too, I did say, if you aren't interesting in buying this then please stop making comments. I also had to try to make a return comment to someone who was down right nasty, I worded it well, and he shut right up, I got a lot of well done and way to go comments, and the item sold for what we wanted.
Just say if you can find this new for this price I want to see a link. That isn't rude just asking for clarification.
We have had Dh's boat for sale for months, I have fielded about 20 calls in that time, and sent out the video of it to each call (I put it on youtube and made it private). We have had two people come and look, so making a video of it cut way down on the tire kickers coming to the house wasting our time.
I hate selling stuff, I hate having people comment on things we take care of and try to say they aren't working/good condition/need fixing. People are rude.

Booyhoo Sun 31-Mar-13 06:47:18

well i must be a twat then cause i wouldn't have clue how much a ben and jerrys or rosie and jim or whateverTF they're called this week would cost.

but tbf i think anyone spending that much on a buggy is a twat.

also, £275 is hardly 'nothing' or 'free'

cloudy99 Sun 31-Mar-13 07:27:02

I always work on basis that you can't really expect to get more than say 25 to 30 per cent back when selling 2nd hand. Although I let our slightly tatty p and t sport douuble go for £60. We paid about £350 for it at the time.

cloudy99 Sun 31-Mar-13 07:30:08

I also think some sellers try it on. I saw on another site selling a wi fit board for more than selling new in shop. Really wanted to post ..... have them in stock for x pounds but didn't of course.

SamuelWestsMistress Sun 31-Mar-13 08:07:29

Boohoo, not much choice being a twat when you need a double buggy!

They do sell well second hand though. Ours was around £500 with everything we needed for it. Best bit of equipment I ever bought for our kids. Got it when DS1 was 2 and DD was born, then got use of it again when DD was 2 and DS2 was born. I've lent it it to my best friend who has just had her DD2 and she loves it just as much.

Definitely worth at least £200 second hand.

Booyhoo Sun 31-Mar-13 08:37:09

yes. i'm sure all mothers of two small children spend £569 on a double buggy. hmm

of course there is choice. what a ridiculous thing to say.

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 08:49:41

£569 /£275 is a stupid amount to pay for a double buggy.
Who are Phil and Ted BTW?

Hmm... Here they are:

Our DNA
At phil&teds, we hire the best people we can and give them opportunities to make their talent dance – we call 'em phil&teds heads.

*Our goal? We want "to be the number one brand of choice for parents, allowing them to continue to lead a dynamic and active lifestyle, with kids in tow". Preachy? Hope not. Aspirational? Hope so! Don't get it right much but die trying? Yep. Have a go and get it right sometimes? You bet!
Our people live our values daily (lots of them are parents too!). Heck: we know we're not for everyone (sigh), but read on and if it makes sense then send your CV. But if you're reaching for the prozac then, at least now, we both know.*
Even those of us that aren't parents get juiced by the fact that every day, in 50-odd countries, we might be making a meaningful difference to someone's life. And we can do it from Newtown, NZ….pffffft!

OP. Anyone who buys into that shite is a twat.

Ashoething Sun 31-Mar-13 08:53:12

sorry but i agree with booy.of course you can buy a double buggy.for far cheaper than that new! my friends certainly do.its all just pretension really.

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 08:54:43

Booy I had the money to spend & chose the double pram I was happy with-that doesn't make me a twat, sorry hmm

The person that posted the comment seems to have the same pram & is making out that's what they paid for it new-if you have the pram then you know how much it cost, that's what makes them a twat...

Booyhoo Sun 31-Mar-13 08:57:25

how do you know how much they paid for it new? all you know is what you paid for it new.

and dont say sorry when you dont mean it.

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 08:57:55

Ffs, insulting someone on a buggy choice when there really aren't that many doubles options...hmm I think you'll know what i'm thinking.

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 08:58:38

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Booyhoo Sun 31-Mar-13 09:01:50

grin

bull. there are loads of options. my guess is if your pj and duncan didn't have those two wee letters on it and had been priced at £89.99 you would have just walked on past it.

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 09:04:59

The person that posted the comment seems to have the same pram & is making out that's what they paid for it new-if you have the pram then you know how much it cost, that's what makes them a twat...
Wow, you're getting yourself into a right tizz aren't you OP? Why are you so sensitive about your buggy? How do you know how much they paid? They might have got it on offer and you paid full price.
TBH, who gives a F? They're telling you that £275 is too much for a second hand buggy and they're right.

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 09:06:23

grin @booyhoo

rustybusty Sun 31-Mar-13 09:06:43

Who in there right mind is going to pay £275 for a second hand buggy? Good luck with that.

PoppyWearer Sun 31-Mar-13 09:08:04

I sold a second-hand Bugaboo for £275 just last weekgrin

My previous one went for £350!

Booyhoo Sun 31-Mar-13 09:11:12

oh YABU btw.

OloeufiaMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 31-Mar-13 09:14:08

Ahem

OloeufiaMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 31-Mar-13 09:14:40

Incidentally OP
Theres a for sale section on Mumsnet Local
Peace and love all
HTH

snuffaluffagus Sun 31-Mar-13 09:19:28

Why are people being so rude to the op? People are allowed to spend what they like on a buggy, everyone has different budgets and priorities so to call someone a twat or spending a certain amount or brand is just ridiculous. Why the anger?

Op I would just do reply stating the rrp (after a google to find the cheapest new price) to make your sale clear.

differentnameforthis Sun 31-Mar-13 09:20:39

Errr no merry sorry but the pram on it's own RRP's at £569 so dropping the price is not going to happen

Then you may not sell it.

I think calling these people idiots, fuckwits & twats is nasty, tbh! YOU bought a 600 pound pram, people don't want to pay almost 300 for second hand anything, so that's your issue, not theirs!

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 09:21:09

A quick check on ebay tells me that in just the last week 2 people have paid that price so don't think I'll need to rely on luck.

Montybojangles Sun 31-Mar-13 09:21:55

It's a simple rule of economics, supply an demand. If there's no demand for a second hand bill and ted at that price then your supply won't shift,meaning you make zero pounds. If there is demand for one at £100 then you can release your supply and be £100 better off than you are now.
It's your choice really as to whether to have a useless buggy cluttering up the place that YOU but no one else thinks is worth a lot, or reducing the price and getting at least some return.
People will try it on to see if they can get a better deal, but if it's not selling, it's not worth what your asking TBH.

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 09:22:45

Thanks HQ, will consider putting it on there.

DuttyWine Sun 31-Mar-13 09:22:57

No comment but phil and teds bogus journey is keeping me entertained! grin

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 09:25:26

Why are people being so rude to the op?
Have you read the OP's own comments?

differentnameforthis Sun 31-Mar-13 09:28:13

Why are people being so rude to the op?

because the op is being rude about absolutely everybody who isn't prepared to pay almost 300 for a used buggy!

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 09:31:09

Barred why are you so defensive about this buggy?
Is it so important? What you paid for it or what this person did/didn't pay for theirs is irrelevant.
If someone wants your second hand buggy at £280, they'll buy it. If not, you'll have to drop the price.

Montybojangles Sun 31-Mar-13 09:32:04

Not sure where on eBay you are seeing that, but I can see a lot advertised as buy it now for around £200-£300, they are still there, so clearly people aren't leaping to buy them.
The ones in the auctions, no one has currently bid above £200, so sounds like that's about the going rate, sorry.

wink duttywine grin

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 09:35:21

It its been on p local Facebook site for a few days, hardly indicative of market forces.

Of course you could pit it on for £3 and get rid of it in a second. Or you realistic it might take longer but you may well get what you want.

And why the heck are so many people taking issue with what a buggy costs? I love my bugaboo, if I had a need fora double buggy I'd buy a donkey in a heartbeat. I can afford it, it's what I need so why not?

Why does anyone buy above base model? Because they can, because they want to!

Should we all cart our babies around in rattly maclaren buggies and wear sack cloth, drive standard issue fiat pandas (I mean why on earth do you need anything bigger or better) and live in identically little boxes?

How about no, because we're not communists.

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 09:35:29

Actually, if I had been stupid enough to buy a buggy @ £569 I would probably be very on edge 6 months, 1 year down the line when I realised that my DC had out grown it.
I would probably get all defensive and want to shift it at the highest price possible too.

snowballschanceineaster Sun 31-Mar-13 09:35:59

I always use Ebay to check on the value of things second hand. According to the great consumer guide of the internet, people are willing to pay anything from £107 to £342 on there for a second hand double buggy with the Phil and Ted label on if it's called a Vibe. Part of the variation in price is down to colour, part down to accessories, part down to dumb luck.

I personally wouldn't pay that amount for anything less than a gold plated buggy, but then, I am what OP would call a twat. Having said that, I certainly wouldn't point out to OP the insanity of her wanting this vast amount of money for her second hand buggy as my research would indicate, she'll probably get it!

Ebay may be a sad reflection of what it used to be, dictated as it is by capitalists of the worst kind, screwing every seller out of money this way and that, (fees for insertion, fees for selling it, fees for using their online money service!) but it has the biggest audience you're likely to reach and is particularly well used by your demographic, ie women at home with small babies.

Flojobunny Sun 31-Mar-13 09:36:32

The thing with putting the RRP, is its the recommended, you can always find it cheaper somewhere. I usually link a middle of the road, known high street place.

differentnameforthis Sun 31-Mar-13 09:37:18

I remember the first flat I looked at. The guy wanted £52.000 for it. We offered him £48k, that was meant with a no. We offered him £50k. Again, no. We moved on, flat wasn't worth much more than that, needed lots of work, damp in cellar, peeling paint in many room etc.

We bought a new build a few months later. We kept an eye on that flat. The price kept dropping, dropping & dropping. Last price it was in the local rag for was £35k. Estate agent told us that he finally sold it at £32k. A full £16k under what we wanted to give him for it.

My point is, is that sometimes it is better to take a reasonable offer, than be stubborn & hold out & get way under its worth.

I gave all of my big baby stuff away, bassinet, cot, pram, stroller etc, plus toys to a young mothers hostel. I wanted to get shot of it, didn't have room to store it. Felt pretty awesome that I had helped out people who needed it & couldn't afford it. I guess the difference was that I didn't pay stupid money for it, so was happy to let it go to a good cause rather than kill myself trying to claw back some money on it.

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 09:40:58

Why does anyone buy above base model? Because they can, because they want to!
Paradise Nothing wrong with spending ££ on a buggy but not everyone is desperate to invest in 'Pat and Tim's' marketing strategy. Shifting it at as small a loss as possible afterwards isn't always going to be plain sailing.

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 09:44:47

Mrslouis, you appear on other threads as quite well balanced, reasonable and normal. Here you seem quite deranged over the issue of a buggy you've neither had nor have the news for.

I'd recommend stepping away, a chamomile tea and perhaps a lie down?

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 09:45:26

news

Need

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 09:46:03

Not defensive about the pram at all, have used it for almost 2 years so I'm happy that i've had really good use out of it, it looks almost as good now as it did new, hardly any wear at all so again happy with the investment I made. As has been said, I chose & could afford the pram, if you wouldn't or couldn't then that's fine (& I've not said anyone is a twat for that incidentally)

They are selling for what i'm asking & i'm in a position to hold out for the price I want, which I'll do.

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 09:48:07

grin @ paradise Are you feeling defensive too?

SolomanDaisy Sun 31-Mar-13 09:48:56

Ah, MN at its worst. A load of irrelevant comments on people buying different things to you, based on total lack of knowledge about usual resale prices for buggies. Lots of people pay what the OP did and lots of people pay what she's asking for second hand. So what? Leave her alone.

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 09:48:57

I think that's fair enough barred, you aren't in desperate need for the space so why not?

Incidentally these fb selling pages are frequented by illiterate hun using twats, I'd try gum tree or even your local paper.

WileyRoadRunner Sun 31-Mar-13 09:49:02

YANBU but a quick look on eBay seems to suggest they are selling for approx £200.

However, the price of these things always depends where you are in the country. For some reason, I'm in the SE, very thing that is pick up only always seems to cost a fortune in comparison to things up in Manchester!

Unfortunately you will just have to ignore the comments from people who obviously don't even want to buy it if they have the same pram already!!!!

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 09:49:31

Defensive? Over what?

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 09:49:50

Barred please just sell it then! Someone will buy it. But when someone disagrees with your price, really, it doesn't make them a twat.

OHforDUCKScake Sun 31-Mar-13 09:52:13

£275 for a second hand buggy?

Arf. I second the sarcastic reply of the fb person.

Good luck with that.

OnwardBound Sun 31-Mar-13 09:52:49

This thread is one of the funniest I've read in a while.

Buggygate - Keep it coming ladies! grin

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 09:54:22

For the last time-disagreeing is fine, couldn't care less. The twat comment was from someone who said they thought they had paid that new-you just wouldn't get the pram, doubles kit, both sets of raincovers & tray for £275, the pram alone is approx £560...

pigletmania Sun 31-Mar-13 09:54:52

Phil and teds are expensive and generally people know that they just trying it on. Sell on e bay, they really retain their value

Theicingontop Sun 31-Mar-13 09:55:40

It's two years old?!

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 09:56:54

Someone commenting on the post selling the pram saying that they paid that for one new when they clearly didn't is being a twat. That's what the op said.

She wasn't moaning about it not selling.

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 09:57:14

OP. Maybe they did. With bright green lurex, giraffe print seat covers with pink spots. You never know. YABU.

MiaowTheCat Sun 31-Mar-13 09:58:00

They go for a couple of hundred on gumtree round here - seem to lose value more than a lot of the doubles since there's such a supply of them with people trying to sell them on once one child's outgrown the buggy phase.

As for who'd spend £500 or so on a double - guilty! Not a Phil and Teds (I don't like the lack of space between the seats) but another double buggy with the extras like carseat, carrycot... I wanted something with as few trade offs and irritations as I could get (and with doubles there's usually lots of them) - second hand what we have seems to go for about £300 at present but that'll drop after a couple of years of using the buggy - and with our age gap we'll be in a double for a fairly long time.

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 09:59:15

In the sale obviously. Dodgy 'designs' get dramatically reduced.

Waspie Sun 31-Mar-13 10:00:44

I sold my son's Quinny Buzz with all the trimmings second hand on Gumtree for £300. If it's in good condition and you want a particular buggy and you can get it half price second hand, why wouldn't you buy second hand? I don't see why Barred's P&T won't sell for a good price.

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 10:01:41

If you arf (whatever that is) at under £300 for a second hand buggy your obviously not the type of person who would spend £600 on a new one, therefore not even in the relevant market.

Expensive buggies sell for more second hand some cheap ones new.

SamuelWestsMistress Sun 31-Mar-13 10:03:17

I'm sorry Booyhoo but when I bought mine there simply was nothing else like it dimensionally or practically on the market at all. Perhaps now there is, but it paid for itself many times over. I live in the country too so also needed so something with pneumatic tyres that can be dragged over fields and through pot holes! Couldn't have cared less about the make. Admittedly they're far more popular now than they were 7 years ago.

HarrySnotter Sun 31-Mar-13 10:05:27

We were given the same pram as the OP by very generous in laws (they chose it, not us) and I didn't really rate it anyway. Didn't like that DD was so close to the ground, not helped by the fact that a bloody great dog lifted it's leg and pissed on her as I was standing talking to my friend. IMO the whole P & T thing is pram snobbery but good luck to the OP getting what she wants for it. We gave ours to a friend (cleaned up of course! grin).

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 10:08:18

My MIL bought me the first bugaboo frog in 2003. It's in the garage. I'm sitting on a gold mine aren't I?

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 10:15:13

I didn't even realise you got bugaboos in 2003.

I paid the best part of £600 for my frog in 2005. 6 years and 2 babies later it sold for £250

janey223 Sun 31-Mar-13 10:23:43

Normal resale is about 1/3 drggbtvtg tre

janey223 Sun 31-Mar-13 10:28:33

Sorry - baby! Normally prams sell for about 1/3 of retail (inc accessories), sometimes a bit more for an in demand one or quite a bit less sometimes if its a basic/non branded

I had a mothercare double, one in front of the other. It was built like a freaking tank and I had biceps like Schwarzenegger. Around a hundred pounds in 2003. Bargain. A wheel fell off two years later and Dh turned it in to a gokart.

montmartre Sun 31-Mar-13 10:44:08

barred- if you can so comfortably afford a buggy costing as much as P&T double (with extras!) Why on earth would you not give it away to someone who really needs a double and could not afford one of any label?

And look up the word declasse.

smile

EasilyBored Sun 31-Mar-13 10:44:46

I actually think £500 is a perfectly reasonable price to pay for something you will probably use every single day for the next three (or more) years.

Guess I'm a twat too.

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 10:47:20

Mont do your communist tendencies extend to cars? Houses?

GetOeuf Sun 31-Mar-13 10:49:45

Fucking hell at this thread grin

Branleuse Sun 31-Mar-13 10:50:10

Phil and teds is the only double worth buying and that's a great price if it's in good nick.
good luck

JambalayaCodfishPie Sun 31-Mar-13 10:52:56

I bought my Silvercross Sleepover with loads of extras, worth about £700, off eBay for £100. As new condition.

I then sold it on a local Facebook site a year later for £180 after a bit of a bidding war erupted.

I therefore declare that if you cant get more than you paid for it, then you are a twat. grin grin

rhondajean Sun 31-Mar-13 10:54:45

My youngest is eight - I thought this was a thread about sex toys! ( possibly for same sex couples)

blush

rhondajean Sun 31-Mar-13 10:57:29

But prams are so expensive though!

montmartre Sun 31-Mar-13 10:58:09

paradise- it's not communism, it's thinking of those less fortunate than oneself. I have given away cars that are being replaced, just as I was given my first car by a friend that was upgrading.

Houses- well, I don't know many people that have bought their homes outright, and then no longer needed it, and so could pass it on. It is known though- people die and leave their estate to charity, or to friends and family. Most people have to buy with a mortgage, and as there is a cost for that they reasonably expect to have money from the sale to mitigate that cost.

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 10:59:23

How dare you profit jambalaya! You should have donated it to your local donkey sanctuary and flogged yourself all the way home.

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 11:01:21

How lovely for one.

Some people like cash.

MrsDeVere Sun 31-Mar-13 11:06:45

I got my safety first double for £90. Never been used. Bright red like a lovely big ol' puffer jacket. I loved that blumming thing.

My favourite was my £20 silver cross country classic in blue velvet. Big boingy pram with a massive shopping trolley and a seat you could switch from front to back facing in a few seconds.

It was beautiful.

Fudgemallowdelight Sun 31-Mar-13 11:15:44

LOL at donkey sanctuary. grin

OP could you reply "Oh really where did you buy it new at that price so i can check it out?"

Fudgemallowdelight Sun 31-Mar-13 11:17:42

You could defo buy Bugaboo Frogs in 2004 as my friend bought one for her eldest. I think she paid about £500 and of course the donkey sanctuary benefited from it afterwards. grin

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Sun 31-Mar-13 11:29:11

The jealousy on this site is shocking. If you can't afford a £500 buggy then why not just reconcile yourself with your situation and instead be happy for the lucky and no doubt nice people who can. Bile and envy are ugly traits.

montmartre Sun 31-Mar-13 11:33:48

you can deduce a lot about a person from the buggy they choose.

Paradise- yes, of course some people need cash, but the OP was very quick to crow about how easily she could afford it. That does not suggest she is such a person.

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 11:35:18

So do enlighten us, what do you deduce from buggy choices?

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 11:36:11

Everyone needs money!

GetOeuf Sun 31-Mar-13 11:36:45

Lol at buggy choices determine the man.

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 11:40:57

Although I do deduce those baby on a stick buggies are terrible looking.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Sun 31-Mar-13 11:42:03

Do you judge engagement rings etc too? Must come from Ratners else the wearer is a twat? confused

DolomitesDonkey Sun 31-Mar-13 11:43:38

I'll be selling my p&t soon. Comes with cocoon thingy, 2 matching bag things, sleeping bag even the sodding coffee cup holder. I'd be having a fucking laugh if I thought I'd get anywhere near 275 for it.

notimefors Sun 31-Mar-13 11:50:26

jambalaya I bought my silver cross sleepover brand new from kiddicare for £150 when it was £600 plus everywhere else.

I have no idea why they had it so cheap but I am very pleased I spotted it! Yay for bargains!

SolomanDaisy Sun 31-Mar-13 11:53:40

Oh, I've just seen montmatre's post and realised this is one of those joke threads where everyone posts the classic dim AIBU response.

Bearfrills Sun 31-Mar-13 11:55:39

I have a P&T Dot, best buggy I've ever owned. I used it for a newborn and a massive 2yo, it was lighter to push with both of them in it than a Maclaren with just the 2yo in. Now I just use it for 18mo DD, part of the attraction was that it can convert back down to a single buggy, and when we have DC3 I'll be using it as a double again. DS still jumps in from time to time, he was poorly a few weeks ago so dived in the main seat while DD was having a little walk around. He's 3yo and 38lbs and still seemed to have plenty of room, he was comfortable enough to fall asleep. They're well worth the £500 in my opinion for the mileage that you get from them. Cheaper doubles are heavy, cumbersome and usually can't be made into a single buggy so you end up having to buy a new one further down the line. Side-by-side doubles with two different sized children are the same. I looked for features that would suit my needs and I had the money.

If you don't like expensive buggies that's up to you but no need to be so rude about it. It doesn't make you look outspoken or clever, it just makes you look like a pathetic nobhead to be honest.

And people who claim they paid £275 for a brand new P&T are twats who are trying it on.

complexnumber Sun 31-Mar-13 12:00:36

Just an aside, did anyone else not have a fucking clue what a brand new Phil & Ted's Vibe WITH doubles kit was?

montmartre Sun 31-Mar-13 12:02:02

paradise- one can deduce which social group they wish to be seen as part of. The modern buggy is a shibboleth.

Not everyone needs money, some people are taken care of by others their entire lives. For those of us that need money to survive, even some of those are not motivated by money, that helping someone else is more important to them than making money back on a purchase.

Perhaps the person that commented on the OP's fb page genuinely paid that, because they bought theirs in a sale 8 years ago?
I am well aware of the second (third, fourth) hand buggy market. I actually think barred has a good chance of gettijng the sum she wants for it.

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 12:04:08

Ooooh yes, forgot about the cocoon-it has that too.

I'm glad that my buggy choice says so much about me & no I wouldn't give it away-I work hard for the money I earn to buy things so why shouldn't I be free to sell something on when I no longer have use for it? hmm

Yanbu, and i do see where you are coming from but unfortunately people will always try to lower the price. Maybe if you price it slightly higher than £275, say £295, people may barter you down to £275 the price you want.
If that doesn't work, maybe £200 would be a more affordable price for cash strapped mummy's.

I have the old sport one, with everything with it. Going to sell it for about £50 as the top seat is stained and tbf it isn't in great condition, ive had it 3 years now. But if it was like new, id expect about £100 for it.

Thing is when we buy these expensive prams, we have to accept we may never make any money back on them.
Ebay is your friend, you may get a better price if you arrange for a courier as people will be more willing to buy.

Theicingontop Sun 31-Mar-13 12:22:24

Complex I thought this would be a thread about a double-sided vibrator.

<wonders what my buggy choice says about me>

Probably that if I did have £500 to spend on a buggy, I wouldn't buy a buggy - I'd have kitted out my LO in clothes for the next 3 years. I spent £60 on a 3 year old Jane Solo buggy (with infant carseat and carrycot). Have used it pretty much every day for the last 11 months, on grass, gravel, through snow and stupid icey slush. Love it.

blueballoon79 Sun 31-Mar-13 12:36:32

People always do that on the Facebook selling pages. A friend of mine was selling over £200 worth of tools and wanted just £40 for them. All he got were tons of posts asking him to lower the price, so instead he took off the ad and replaced it with one asking for £50 for the tools.

He again got tons of replies asking him to lower the price and he said ok, I'll let you have it for £40. It sold!

I think people just like to try it on really.

Also I really can't understand the people who commented on your advert saying they could get a brand new one for that price. If that's the case why don't they just go and buy the brand new one for that price and ignore your advert? Doesn't make sense to me!

cloudy99 Sun 31-Mar-13 12:43:08

Yes rrp means nothing. When i got my phil and teds I got buggy change bag and cocoon for less than rrp. And it was new.

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 13:04:48

Blue that's why I'd I'm selling anything I put it for five or ten pound more than I want and people feel they're getting a deal!

DigestivesWithCheese Sun 31-Mar-13 13:26:19

What can you "deduce" about buggies?!

I have just bought a second hand Phil & Teds with all the accessories (£210, as new condition, less than a year old, the owner hadn't really used it). What does that tell you about me?... That I was fed up with getting stuck in doorways with a side by side double. That's it.

I had a Phil & Teds when our youngest dc4 was born. I loved it after years of clunky, shitty doubles. I gave mine to a friend when we were done with it but they did have a high second hand resale value even then.

I also didn't think £500 was a lot of money for something I had to push 6 miles every day for three years was excessive. I don't drive, people spend far more on cars and their running costs.

I certainly didn't buy it for the "name" attached either. It was the one buggy on the market that met our needs at the time.

For all the haters, if you try a Phil & teds, you will notice the difference straight away and not having the hassle of getting stuck in doorways is phenomenal. They last 3 years or more too x

HappyMummyOfOne Sun 31-Mar-13 15:38:29

£275 for a used buggy, no wonder people are commenting.

I'd rather buy new, no stains, bleaching from sun or germs etc and a guarantee should anything go wrong with it.

I never understood the whole buggy thing. Some on here seem to swap every month or spend hundreds for the name or latest cover design.

Goal Sun 31-Mar-13 16:02:30

Have just googled to see what the hell the fuss is about. Didn't realise we were talking about those hideous double decker things where the poor child on the bottom looks utterly trapped and uncomfortable.

3MonthMaid Sun 31-Mar-13 16:08:22

In 2009 I bought a brand new vibe with doubles seat for £329 from Kiddicare.

So I can see the problem.

Some prams don't hold their value. Sadly the vibe was never one of the more popular ones as it has so many issues.

lockets Sun 31-Mar-13 16:18:05

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youarewinning Sun 31-Mar-13 16:31:28

Visualise I had a Jane for DS - also had carrycot and car seat.

Bought it second hand for 50E - DS used it for 3 years (loved the lay flat style).

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 31-Mar-13 16:34:34

I struggle hugely with pushing p&t and don't really understand why they are popular but they are and they do have a decent resale value. My friend just paid £250 for one that's a year old,so they obviously do sell well.

Unless you can actually get them at that price new the person is obviously trying it on

Just like the person who offered me £30 for my brand new not even used wheels still not attached pram who wanted to bung it on eBay for £260.

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 31-Mar-13 16:36:49

Oh I pissed off that 'friend' by then donating it to the refuge as one of my clients was about to drop and didn't have one so it was given to her via refuge staff pretending it was a private donation.

I do that with all my baby stuff when finished with. But only because I can't be arsed with selling stuff fair play to anybody that can be arsed to.

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 16:38:09

Paradise bugaboo frogs were born in 2001. Our was given to us new in 2003.
My DH hated pushing it because he said it looked poncey. It has been in the garage now for 8 years.
The last 10 or so years have seen buggies become a status symbol which is what I object to. They say nothing about the person other than that they have money to spend. Who cares if a person has a little fold up mclaren or a P&T?
The OP is so sneering about the person who dared to question the value of her buggy on FB. It shows that she takes her material posessions annoyingly very seriously.

youarewinning Sun 31-Mar-13 16:48:53

This thread has amused me somewhat! So I googled P&T's.

£65 for the changing bag shock <faints>

Thing is if I could afford it there's no reason I wouldn't have spent it.

I love my P&T - got it practically unused from a friend in return for £150 worth of stock from my shop too.

Didn't know about them when I had dd1 & got my Frog on eBay for £140 when they were all at least £200 - £250. Daft seller lived in the arse end of nowhere & said "collection only" so nobody bid but happily posted when I asked.

Won't get much for either now - I've used them hard - bumpy/muddy Thames Path etc.

Business idea: intensive fancy-pram cleaning service before resale. smile

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 17:41:11

Sorry but I have not sneered at all, you have simply presumed things about me from the pram I own which is clearly your problem not mine-maybe people did the same thing to you when you had the Bugaboo all those years ago...

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 17:56:12

To think that if you honestly think you bought a brand new Phil & Ted's Vibe WITH doubles kit for £275 then you are a twat?
Of course you didn't you fuckwit, a simple google would tell you that!!!

Yes OP, you're lovely.

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 18:00:06

Actually yeah I am but as you don't actually know me i'll forgive you for thinking otherwise-I also have a wicked sense of humour, maybe you should try to find yours.

lockets Sun 31-Mar-13 18:06:07

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WeAreEternal Sun 31-Mar-13 18:09:24

I sold my iCandy last year after hanging onto it for years out of love it had only been used for a few months and the hardbodied pram part was brand new and still in the box.

I advertised it online, one woman asked if I'd deliver it, and was very insistent that she wanted it.
When I got there she was rude and said "for this price I expected it to look new, but look at the state of it"
Other than a bit of dust and creases from it being folded up it was perfect.

I had already advertised it for less than they were selling on eBay as I wanted a quick sale. But she offered me £100, and then said she wasn't sure it was worth that, "given its condition", and suggested I offer a lowed asking price. in the end I told her I would rather keep it, and she called me a time wasted, after I'd driven 40 miles to deliver it.

Some people really do expect something for nothing.

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 18:12:01

Strange thing MN. We know is what is said on a thread but not the actual person hmm I'm sure you're hilarious but it just hasn't come across on here which is a shame.

Coconutty Sun 31-Mar-13 18:17:05

I don't blame you for selling it - it's fugly and totally unfair for the poor child travelling an inch off the floor.

I gave all my baby stuff away. <halo gleaming>

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 18:19:12

Yep this is true, you have come across as quite bitter to the fact that some people are happy to pay a fair bit for a quality product but there you go. You'll note I haven't made any presumption on the sort of person you really are though hmm

Kiddicare have them for just under £360

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 18:26:05

Barred bit of a contradiction that last post. grin

RatPants Sun 31-Mar-13 18:28:06

Those things are insane - one child looks like it has been stuffed underneath the original buggy!

I have no idea about prices - both my prams are too knackered for me to sell after years of abuse but if something is in really good condition I'd imagine people would pay up to about half the original cost with the accessories thrown in? Although people will always try to knock you down, it's the nature of second hand sale really.

Ashoething Sun 31-Mar-13 18:28:52

do people really think spending loads on a buggy says somwthing about their status? pram snobbery is akin to the boden love in on mn.middle class pretension gone mental.boden is minging!

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 18:30:07

Not really Theroux , I said you'd come across as hmm

Just been on Kiddicare & the only Vibe I can find comes with the peanut & is £597?

Coconutty Sun 31-Mar-13 18:32:33

Agree about boden, went to a sale there and people were literally grabbing anything. I honestly wouldn't worn any of it. I'm 38 not 70.

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 18:32:41

I bought it as I liked the look, durability & the fact it was tandem not side by side-nothing to do with the brand. I don't buy anything because it's branded, simply because I like it.

Twitterqueen Sun 31-Mar-13 18:33:00

AIBU to be disappointed that this thread is apparently about a double pram when I only clicked on it because I thought it was about vibrators and sex? wink

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 18:34:14

But who gives a * is my point. You keep harping on about how much you bought yours for & how much they are two years ago when you bought yours. Your FB friend bought hers cheaper and thinks your second hand one is overpriced. Sorry about that.

MrsLouisTheroux Sun 31-Mar-13 18:34:55

are were

lockets Sun 31-Mar-13 18:36:30

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BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 18:51:07

Yes lockets, perhaps it's because there isn't much of an item description or when it's ending?

The two I've watched this week have gone for the price I want for mine, it's in excellent condition & I'll wait until I get the amount I'm wanting.

2nd hand ones are not what I'd posted about anyway, it was stating a new one had been bought for this price.

MrsCampbellBlack Sun 31-Mar-13 18:59:10

I sold my vibe about a year ago for nearly £300 on ebay.

It cost me twice that new and I loathed it

Good luck with getting a decent price.

Oh and I'd initially given it away to someone I thought needed it but I asked for it back when I found out she just wanted to sell it. Am sure some people will think I should have let her but I asked for it back as it wasn't quite in the spirit of what I'd intended.

Wibblypiglikesbananas Sun 31-Mar-13 19:31:51

Gosh op, you have got a total and utter pasting here. I feel for you as anyone who knows about buying prams these days knows how much the branded makes can retail for. I think the price you're asking is absolutely fair given the retail price and the fact that you're offering extras.

I think you've fallen victim to the usual MN jealousy and 'you were stupid to spend so much' brigade. It seems like this kind of thing sadly brings out the worst in posters - not sure whether that's envy or incredulity that it is possible to spend so much. Who knows? If it's any consolation, I posted under a different name last year about another brand of pram I'd had problems with, broken wheels, crap customer service and all I got was sarcastic comments about how I shouldn't have spent so much in the first place... Lovely. I'd like to bet if we were talking about something of the same value that wasn't a pram, eg a bike, you wouldn't have had half the vitriolic comment that have appeared here.

Good luck with the sale!

Hawkmoon269 Sun 31-Mar-13 19:47:10

Wow. I stole a trolley from asda, popped done cushions inside, a tarpaulin over the top when it rained and voila! A free buggy!

This thread has made me chuckle...

Op, I recently sold my pram (which I bought second hand) for £425. It sold in less than 10 minutes at a nearly new sale.

Some brands of buggy really do retain value. <shrugs>

rhondajean Sun 31-Mar-13 19:48:14

Asda? You show off. What's wrong with a lidl trolley?

Some folk are all about the image aren't they.

hmm

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 19:49:27

Thanks mrsblack , wibly & the rest of you that haven't had trouble in seeing where I'm coming from. The reaction of some people to spending a bit of cash on something that's going to get a lot of use is pretty ridiculous tbh.

Think I'll pop it on Gumtree as a few have suggested & see if I get any joy there.

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 19:51:11

Oops, I did of course mean wibbly blush

crashdoll Sun 31-Mar-13 19:57:12

What is up with people today? So what if someone wants to spend £500 or more on a buggy?! If I had shedloads of money and a baby I'd buy one! wink

Hawkmoon269 Sun 31-Mar-13 19:59:34

Lidl?! Lidl?! You think I'd allow my babies to be seen dead in a trolley from Lidl? Ridiculous.

Seriously, I used my buggy every day. For hours. I tried prams/buggies between £100 and well over £1000. There was quite a difference!

I'm using a Maclaren now (not at all rattly - light, comfy, wonderful for a toddler). If/when I need a double I probably will buy a P&T's. Don't really like the fact that one baby will be do close to the ground but I've used side by side buggies and they're just too big and bulky. And knowing how easy it is to re-sell buggies I will probably buy a new buggy if I do need a new one in the future.

OR I could nick one of those Tesco trollies with double baby seats attached... Now there's an idea grin

Bearfrills Sun 31-Mar-13 20:23:59

I was worried about poor DS being in the bottom seat but when I stuffed myself into the seat checked it out it actually isn't that bad down there, there's more room than it looks (especially leg room), sheltered from the wind and you get a good view from either side. When DD got to about 7/8mo they used to bicker over which of them was going in the bottom. Plus DS was 2yo so walking most of the time anyway, the seat was just for him to hop in/out when he fancied a rest or it was raining or whatever. The Dot is good in that the main seat unit can be removed from the frame if not being used, so if you had the carrycot or carseat clipped onto the frame instead then the child on the bottom has a clear view anyway.

The range of decent tandem buggies on the market is limited. You can get cheaper tandems but they're generally very long and very heavy to push. I wanted something light, reasonably small (for a double) and durable because I do loads of walking. P&T was the cheapest pushchair that met my requirements, price was way down the list. I use it every day, it's been used as a double and a single for an older child and a younger child. It goes on sand, snow, grass and gravel - I'm taking it through woodland tomorrow. I was more than willing to pay the price to get the standard and quality that I expected.

Ignore the snippy whinge-bags OP, someone somewhere will always find something to moan about.

Good luck with Gumtree.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Sun 31-Mar-13 20:32:24

I blame Tory party policies for this. No one argued about buggies or pointed fingers over RRPs before those bastards got in.

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 20:33:03

Bear you have just covered exactly why I chose a P&T grin

ParadiseChick Sun 31-Mar-13 20:34:24

It really is quite bizzare what people choose to get their knickers in a twist over.

BarredfromhavingStella Sun 31-Mar-13 20:43:32

Just put it on Gumtree & have had 2 responses already grin

IneedAsockamnesty Sun 31-Mar-13 22:29:32

That's good news.

aquashiv Sun 31-Mar-13 23:54:07

Holy Jesus Happy Easter have you all had too many additives today?

What is it about buggies that creates so much tension.

Most brands are bullshit marketing but the Phil and Ted is a good buggy.

lougle Mon 01-Apr-13 00:02:40

I bought an ABC adventure triple buggy which I imported from NZ (made by Phil and Ted). I used it 3 times, then stored it in my garage for 18 months.

When I sold it on ebay, I made £200 profit on the purchase price. I was happy grin

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