To think the GP surgeries should be open today?

(160 Posts)
Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:27:13

Why are they shut? And Monday for that matter? We have 4 days of being at the mercy of OOH now.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:28:27

I may be BU as I don't need an appointment. grin But the DC have a good history of being ill over holidays.

Tailtwister Fri 29-Mar-13 08:28:55

I suppose they reckon routine problems can wait 4 days and emergencies can be dealt with by OOH? I'm guessing the staff could do with holidays too.

HeySoulSister Fri 29-Mar-13 08:30:06

Yeah but how many ill dc actually require a gp visit?

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:30:30

I'm sure they could but staff at the hospital don't have the same luxury. All the shops are open.....

mnistooaddictive Fri 29-Mar-13 08:30:57

GPs deserve tune off with their families too!

mnistooaddictive Fri 29-Mar-13 08:31:43

Time off obviously

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:31:51

I think it just seems a bit archaic. It's the 21st century. I would imagine Tuesday will be the day from hell for staff and the GPs.

AnisotropicWeetabixFTW Fri 29-Mar-13 08:33:06

"at the mercy of OOH"

Are they not an out of hours medical service? Or have they moved into ritual torture? grin

Doctors deserve time off too. OOH still operates, walk in centres still operate, NHS Direct still operates. It's just like a weekend, only longer.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:33:11

Why GPs though? Why are they special? DH has gone to work today, I am going food shopping, and as I said the hospital staff don't get time off with family unless they have booked it I assume.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:34:47

I must add my GP is the loveliest GP ever, the Receptionists are fantastic and I don't begrudge anyone time off with the family so I am not GP bashing, just wondering really.

And I have had varying experiences with OOH over the years.....

Areyoumadorisitme Fri 29-Mar-13 08:36:25

YABU, they are entitled to time off like everyone else.

Of course some jobs can't have time off such as hospital staff as you can't just send all patients home but thy will be a core doing only the necessary things, ie inpatients and no outpatients unless emergencies.

If there is something that can't wait until Tuesday there is OOH and A&E.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:38:22

I know they are entitled to time off, I just don't get it. I am not saying I begrudge them time off. I'm really not.

I don't understand the split of what is open and what isn't.

weegiemum Fri 29-Mar-13 08:39:44

I'm a teacher, I'm off today. The banks are shut, council shut, some shops here are shut, none of my neighbours seem to have gone to work today.

My dh is a GP, he's off today and tomorrow. But who is providing ooh for his practice and the 2 neighbouring ones? On Sunday and Monday, it's him!

If your job doesn't give you bank holidays off (and for our family it's also a religious holiday and we'll be at church twice - it is Good Friday after all!!) then that's not he problem of folks who do get bank holidays!

Sirzy Fri 29-Mar-13 08:41:12

I doubt hospitals are running normal clincs though.

GP practices don't have the money/staff to provide services around the clock or 365 days a year.

We are lucky locally that we have a great OOH though even if they do refuse to treat DS which is easily accessible if something really can't wait.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:41:27

It would probably be better for everything to be shut on Good Friday like on Easter Sunday then.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:43:02

Except the hospitals-they aren't allowed to shut. And the emergency services. No time off for them.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:43:55

Also why are libraries not open on a Sunday?

LatteLady Fri 29-Mar-13 08:45:11

OP, it is a Public Holiday, there is sufficient OOHs cover available.

And obviously, I like bank workers, office workers, teachers etc am obviously special because I have the day off. It is down to you whether you go shopping today, but I remember a time when shops were closed on Bank Holidays...

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:46:11

Perhaps they should go back to that then Latte? It may be a public holiday but not all of the public are having a holiday. sad

Sirzy Fri 29-Mar-13 08:46:14

But GPs aren't an emergency service so don't need to be open.

TeaOneSugar Fri 29-Mar-13 08:46:20

The gp contract says they can close and cover with ooh, hospitals contracts are 24/7 365 days a year.

marriedinwhiteagain Fri 29-Mar-13 08:46:38

Do you think they should be open on Christmas Day and Boxing Day then?

Easter is actually the most important religious festival in the Christian calendar. Today is one of the most deeply spiritual there is.

Hospitals are running ass a weekend over the 4 day hank holiday. So there will be some staff in such as ward nurses but doctors will only be to the same level as weekends and there will be no outpatients or routine operating or procedures. So you are wrong about your comment about hospital staff. And those doctors who are working will get a day off in lieu for working Friday or Monday -don't know about nurses but I think they get extra pay for bank holidays. And I'd imagine most people working on Friday or Monday will have a similar arrangement.

Yabu for moaning about something that makes no difference whatsoever to you or anyone you know. And for getting your facts wrong. And for the fact that gps are no less entitled to time off than anyone else - you don't martyr yourself when you become a doctor to the whims of everyone else who might just like a routine doctors appointment today because it's easier as they're off work anyway hmm

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:48:33

Good Friday is important so why isn't everything shut?

marriedinwhiteagain Fri 29-Mar-13 08:48:51

And the shops were closed on Sundays until the early 90s (?). Imagine no large supermarkets or the West End on Sundays. I remember it well and the quietness, even in London, that pervaded Sundays.

TeaOneSugar Fri 29-Mar-13 08:48:56

My dh is emergency services and working this weekend, he knew bank holidays were part of the deal when he took the job.

NuhichNuhaymuh Fri 29-Mar-13 08:50:11

Today is a bank holiday rather than a public holiday though isn't it?

Banks are closed, soo bank staff are off, but it is (in theory) a normal workjng bank for the lesser mortals.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:50:33

I wondered how long it would be before I got accused of moaning. hmm I have repeatedly said I don't begrudge GPs their holiday.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:52:44

Perhaps Mumsnet should close for Bank Holidays too. shock

And as for your 'why should gps have the time off when other people have to work'

Well i'm a doctor and I work nights and weekends sometimes. To use your own ridiculous argument how dare you have any nights or weekend off. If i'm working then why shouldn't I be able to go clothes shopping or buy a coffee or eat in a posh restaurant at 3 am - i'm working so everyone else should be too! Yes, lets all work 24/7 because it's not fair for anyone to be off when others are working. Ffs hmm

NuhichNuhaymuh Fri 29-Mar-13 08:52:59

stupid prediction text!!! normal working day, not bank!!!!

TeaOneSugar Fri 29-Mar-13 08:53:19

So why start the thread?

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:54:20

Thanks for that Yellow. Nowhere did I say anything about all night clothes shopping. Isn't AIBU great?

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:56:32

I started the thread because I was just thinking DH has gone off to work, and I am going shopping yet GPs are shut. Then I realised they are shut til Tuesday that's all. I was just thinking about who was open and who wasn't.

diddl Fri 29-Mar-13 08:57:07

'Tis all closed over here (Germany).

Shops open tomorrow, & then closed again Sun & Mon.

NuhichNuhaymuh Fri 29-Mar-13 08:57:30

also should have added my gp is working today, but just one surgery (usually two).

There is no reason why gps shouldnt be open, where I work now is, but all places prior to this job I had to go in as usual

TeaOneSugar Fri 29-Mar-13 08:57:47

If you need to see a gp today you will be able to see one, the service is being provided just in a different way.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 08:57:58

Isn't that better then diddl? Everything shut? Everyone knows everything is shut?

I think its down to cost. A lot of people working bank holidays get paid a 'premium' - in the NHS I think its time and 60% or near enough. So they will only open services considered 'essential.' So there will be no routine stuff - no speech and language therapists, no physios, no radiography, no outpatients clinics etc etc

Hulababy Fri 29-Mar-13 08:58:46

We have a drop in medical centre staffed with gps and nurses. Open every day morning til night, even over Christmas. I've had to use it a few times just generally because it's not always possible to get an appointment at my own GPs. Works well.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:00:24

I know that Tea, unfortunately OOH can be quite difficult in these parts. Phone calls, then waiting for a return phone call, then going to the local hospital etc. Fingers crossed I won't need to phone anyway.

FigSolution Fri 29-Mar-13 09:00:38

Sparklingbrook, it is archaic because it is cheap. Provision of a wrap around 24/7 365day primary care service would be extremely expensive, and quite rightly too.

weegiemum Fri 29-Mar-13 09:01:09

Emergency health services are open today. I get a routine treatment in hospital once a month - isn't available today, the "weekly" ward is shut.

GP is not an emergency service!

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:02:54

I wouldn't use the GP as an emergency service because that would be a bit bonkers frankly.

FigSolution Fri 29-Mar-13 09:03:36

SALTs, physios and radiographers will absolutely be working over the bank holiday weekend. They all being just as essential to patient care as doctors and nurses hmm. Outpatient clinics will be shut though.

auforfoulkesake Fri 29-Mar-13 09:03:39

good Friday has always been odd imo.
when I was a teen, long time ago, our local newsagents was open briefly and that was all.
I don't know what is open and what isn't
and my local co op is sometimes open til 10 pm on a good Friday shock but I wont count on it.

JollyYellowGiant Fri 29-Mar-13 09:04:20

Our GP is open today and Monday smile

auforfoulkesake Fri 29-Mar-13 09:04:34

I want to take dd shoe shoping but I am nkot sure what is open and am going to ring shortlty

No you didn't say anything about all night clothes shopping. But your argument was that other emergency services and shop staff (among others) have to work bank holidays so why shouldn't gps. Well why should they? You haven't given any reasonable argument as to why they should. If you had a medical problem that couldn't wait there is no guarantee (depending on your gp practice) that they would be able to fit you in that day anyway. That is what a&e is for which is open round the clock.

When you take a job one of the things you consider is if there are any antisocial hours. If you don't like it don't do it (and I do appreciate that some people need to take any job they van get at three moment but most out of hours jobs get enhanced pay compared with 9 to 5)

If you take your argument, which seemed to be 'others are working so why shouldn't gps be just in case my kids who have a history of getting ill need then' then to take it to it's logical conclusion, I could day 'i'm working nights so why are all the lazy clothes shop workers sleeping when I might want to go shopping at a time that suits me'. Oh and it's ridiculous because being on a shift I couldn't leave but it wouldn't be ridiculous to want the canteen staff to work so I can actually buy some food on my night shift.

All jobs have different working patterns, gps not working bank holidays is not a surprise or an inconvenience to you so I don't really get your rather pointless rant.

JudithOfThePascha Fri 29-Mar-13 09:05:21

I don't think GPs need to be open today. They don't provide an emergency service - that's what A&E/OOH care is all about.

I think that more people/businesses should observe bank holidays, tbh.

Theas18 Fri 29-Mar-13 09:05:40

You don't begrudge gps holidays but theyshould be open good Friday and Easter Monday?

Sorry that's totally contradictory!

I'm with yellowdinasaur doctors are not a 24 hrs pizza delivery service, Thoth many people treat ooh and walk in centre like this-feel free to use those but don't expect the same service you get from"your"gp.

Btw even gp was open the support infra structure is not, so unless you put £££ in to make sure the hospitals were fully open (blood tests need transporting and processing, x rays doing etc) and the community services running properly (district nurse,OT Physio) etc etc you'd end up with a service that was only able to tell you to come back next week any way!

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:05:46

Yes Good Friday is odd. There are threads today asking if banks are open/post offices are open. I Imagine it's Sunday opening hours but don't know?

ImagineJL Fri 29-Mar-13 09:06:22

The vast majority of hospital staff will be off. They will be operating an on-call service, so no routine outpatients clinics or operations, just emergencies. The staff on duty will be doing it as part of their on-call rota.

GPs did the same until a few years ago. They took turns to be on duty for bank holidays. Then the government decided that they would get a cheaper but equally good service from paramedics and locum doctors, hence the evolution of Out-of-Hours as we now know it.

JudithOfThePascha Fri 29-Mar-13 09:07:08

Exactly what yellow dinosaur said.

Especially the bit about you not giving any reasonable argument as to why GPs should be working today.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:07:29

Wishing they were open doesn't equate to begrudging them holiday Theas. Well that's not what I meant anyway. I have said that.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:08:07

I didn't want an argument. <sigh> But that's AIBU for you.

weegiemum Fri 29-Mar-13 09:10:52

In some areas (my dh is a rural GP), its the local doctors on a rota providing ooh, hence my dh doing Sunday/Monday but off today and tomorrow. He didn't do either Christmas or New Year, it's his turn.

Cross posted...

I wouldn't use the gp as an emergency service because that would be a bit bonkers

So actually you want your gp to run a normal regular surgery where they have to pay staff enhanced pay on 2 bank holidays. Why? Ooh and a&e are there. The gp surgery will just be full of normal regular non emergency /urgent patients who booked for regular appointments Weeks ago because it was more convenient for them being off work. So you'd still have to use a&e if you needed an urgent appointment as your gp wouldn't have any.

So what is the actual point of this thread?

myBOYSareBONKERS Fri 29-Mar-13 09:12:15

I personally think they should be open. They are there to deliver a service and by being shut they are not fulfilling that. Even if they only open for short hours.

I also think they should have longer surgery times during the week to take into account those that work.

We all have had to "move with the times" in regards to changes in our own jobs so they should too.

Also out-of hours GP can be completely swamped and the over spill then hits A&E.

I am a Nurse and have had many changes with my own terms and conditions of work but ultimately we knew what we were getting into when we joined this profession - its not like the hours are not well documented!!

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:12:46

I expect OOH varies greatly. I have never seen a GP I know out of hours. I don't know why that is, but I think the area covered is quite wide. The OOH clinic is at the County Hospital.

iliketea Fri 29-Mar-13 09:13:05

District nurses do work as normal on bank holidays (it tends to be quieter though as many other community services are not working / run a reduced service, so not so many referrals as a normal working week).

JudithOfThePascha Fri 29-Mar-13 09:14:02

Why are people asking if banks are open today? Today is a bank holiday.

Good Friday is not odd. It is a Christian festival that, in this country (and others) is marked by a bank holiday. Like Christmas, it is actually a festival celebrated my many who are not Christian, but it is no more odd than Christmas.

Perhaps you should google Good Friday so you are a bit less ignorant about it?

I don't want an argument either. I'm disagreeing with you. Which i'm allowed to do. If you can't cope with people disagreeing with you then this is probably the wrong place for your post.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:16:13

I didn't mean Good Friday was odd Judith. smile I meant the opening/not opening stuff was odd. I am not ignorant about Good Friday. sad Blimey.

I feel sorry for our bin men. They are working both Friday and Monday. I dont understand why they arent entitled to the same rights as many of us. Do you think they are allowed time off to go to a Good Friday service if they are Christian?

I see what you're saying OP.

Really it's more the question of: if important services like GPs have the days off, why do so many other people have to work?

Where I live in France -- decent sized town of 300K -- nearly everything is shut on bank holidays.

It seems less weird because nearly everything is shut on Sundays anyways.

XBenedict Fri 29-Mar-13 09:19:50

Today (and Xmas day) is a public holiday - recognised as a holiday long before bank holidays were introduced.

It's not just the gps that would be working though is it? It's the receptionists, nurses, HCAs, office staff etc etc. They are not an emergency service, there is emergency service available. I don't see the issue.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:20:05

Yes, our bin men are working today too.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:22:20

Thanks dreaming that's what I meant although maybe adding the OOH thing makes it sound like I am very angry.

Why is some stuff open and some not? Why not close everything?

XBenedict Fri 29-Mar-13 09:23:50

Yes the French have a very different approach to holiday and Sundays - I quite admire them for it. We used to years ago but we've moved into this 7 day a week consumerism time.

FigSolution Fri 29-Mar-13 09:26:03

MyBoysarebonkers, if you want primary health care health services available 24/7 and 365 days a year then you are going to have to pay for it. Tax increases... OK good luck with that


Why not go and see a private GP? The private GPs here will charge you about £100 + vat for a standard consultation. Double or treble that for a bank holiday.

Bunbaker Fri 29-Mar-13 09:26:39

"I don't understand the split of what is open and what isn't."

Because when I was a child bank holidays were sacrosanct and nothing was open on Good Friday or Easter Monday - or on Sundays either. Greedy Commercial enterprises have seen an opportunity and trading laws have changed so they don't miss and opportunity to make money these days.

When I first moved to Yorkshire in 1980 I was horrified to be asked to work on Good Friday because down south no-one did.

EverythingsBeachy Fri 29-Mar-13 09:27:07

My dh works in an office, off work today. Our bin men don't work today. Hospitals are run as if it was a weekend, no routine ward doctors just on call. Doctors rotas are done in advance, they dont get extra pay for being told they are working . Anyone else like Tesco etc gets extra pay for working bank holiday. Nursing staff still work full rota but they get a carrying amount of choice in the shifts they work and get paid etc for nights weekends, bh etc. They doctor that works on call this weekend gets paid no more than the doctor who worked last weekend.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:28:50

Re the bin men it's not even country wide then? Some are some aren't?

CabbageLeaves Fri 29-Mar-13 09:29:40

Shops open by 'choice' because they want the business. Non essential services that can shut down would be mad to pay overtime rates to cover BHs

I work in the NHS. Dept fully shut down as we are not part of emergency cover.

As I see it, workers are at work for financial or organisational need.

MyBOYS I think most gp surgeries are open some evenings and sat now actually. They certainly are where I live....

You are right that times and work hours are changing. And that the overspill adversely affects a&e. But along with this I also think a big problem is the growing sense of entitlement by the general public that they should be seen right now and won't take any inconvenience to themselves to accommodate that.

So if you have a routine medical problem book your convenient (evening /weekend) appointment early and don't bluster and fuss when you can't get one which you've known you needed ages ago with 2 days notice. And if it's an emergency don't complain that the timing of the appointment isn't perfect and you might have to take an hour or 2 off work / wake the baby a bit early / bring all your children in with you etc. It can't really be an emergency if you're not prepared to make any adaptations yourself to be seen quickly can it?

Sorry i'm probably derailing the thread a bit now but honestly some of the things patients think are emergencies are frankly ridiculous. Most memorably the postman who came to a&e 2 nights running with a flea bite on his finger. And some of the reasons why people can't attend appointments that have been arranged to accommodate their need to get in urgently are just as bad (the lady who came in to the surgical emergency ward with her possible appendicitis 24 hours late because she couldn't miss work then complained at waiting 2 hours to be seen anyone?). Don't get me started on people who don't bother to let you know they're not turning up then have a strop when they have to be rereferred by their gp.

So op i'm sorry if you feel got at but your op 'i want the gp to be open in case I need them - how dare they be off when others have to work' just smacked a bit of this overly demanding 'it's my right' mentality. I suspect you weren't meaning it to.

I have to admit, when we first moved here, it took a while to get used to -- not just everything being closed on Sunday, but shops generally close earlier in the evening, they close for lunch, etc. We moved here from London where we had three 24 hour shops within a 5 minute walk, so quite a change!

But I do really like it. It's not really any hardship for consumers, and as a long-time former waitress myself, I think it's nice for restaurant and shop workers and binmen to be just as entitled to their Sundays and holidays as everyone else.

auforfoulkesake Fri 29-Mar-13 09:31:11

well I was a teen in 1980 and our local newsagent was open which was down south shock

I think the shops make up their own rules today.
easter has been over run by eggs, chocolate, and xmas by presents.

aftermay Fri 29-Mar-13 09:31:58

Maybe we should just be a secular country and not give a fig about Easter or Xmas. Problem solved. Everyone can work like a dog and that minor ailment can be seen on Easter Friday too. I'll tell you why: because that's when you don't work and can take your DC to the surgery without having to take time off work.

Excellent post cabbage leaves

<wishes I could learn to be a bit more succinct>

I think my GP would like to go back to opening mornings. They used to do so on Bank Holidays and Saturday Mornings, with a reduced staff.

Then some bright spark decided to stop that and have th all work 8am to 7pm instead. That was 3 years ago and they are still muttering darkly.

My Libary opens Sunday afternoons smile

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:34:03

I can see why you thought that Yellow. Having re read my OP.

I knew someone who accompanied Doctors on OOH home visits. One bloke had a blister on his foot. angry

Did appendicitis lady actually turn out to have appendicitis? confused

"Shops open by choice because they want the business"

But do their workers have any choice whether to work?

As I understand, this is the driver of the French rules. Workers shouldn't be forced to work on traditional days off.

Wishfulmakeupping Fri 29-Mar-13 09:35:22

Yanbu they should be open today at least

And everythingbeachy you are spot on about doctors pay. Except that those working today and Monday won't get extra pay but will get time of in lieu. So if you don't want to work a bank holiday you can usually find someone who is happy to swap. Sat and sun just a normal weekend though and when Christmas falls on a weekend you wouldn't get time off in lieu for working it, just for the bh that followed the week after in place of it.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:35:54

I am a bit loathe to ask about the Library thing after all this. But Sunday is a day lots of people can get to the library, schoolchildren etc. They are moaning that people aren't using the libraries, but it would be lovely on a Sunday.

Apologies to Librarians. smile

aftermay Fri 29-Mar-13 09:38:15

No, libraries are open evenings and Saturdays. There's plenty of time to fit in a visit to the Library. Just drop the ballet and drama and essential swimming and you'll find time for the library. Anything else?

ChookKeeper Fri 29-Mar-13 09:40:48

GP surgeries are contracted 8am to 6:30pm Monday to Friday except for bank holidays. Other services are paid to provide cover outside of these hours. Some GPs have signed up to provide extended hours e.g early morning/evenings/Saturdays for an additional payment but the dept of health halved that amount a couple of years ago and put the money into a different service that's been scrapped from 1st April. So where I work we open until 8pm 4 nights a week for £10k a year less than in 2010/11. This is a choice the partners made because they know how much patients value evening appointments. Anything over and above that will have to be paid for properly and as a country we just don't have the money.

Sparklingbrook appendicitis lady did not have appendicitis. So if I was feeling charitable I could conclude she didn't feel she needed to come in urgently as she didn't feel that unwell. And didn't realise that a bed was being kept for her that could have been used for someone else. Although given how demanding she was on the ward I think it most likely that she didn't really care about inconveniencing everyone else because she was only going to come when it suited her.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:41:31

No ballet, drama or swimming here. Boy stuff. Football.

I meant me escaping the football for a cuppa and a read in the tranquility of the library on a Sunday. Using the facilities they want us to use.

BruisedFanjo Fri 29-Mar-13 09:44:28

I know what you mean, Sparkling. Not that doctors shouldn't have days off, but that everyone else should, too. I work in retail. We have 24h branches, the only days we are shut are Easter Sunday and Christmas Day. We only do 6h opening on a Sunday because of the law (and people moan about it saying its so archaic why should we not be allowed to shop all day Sunday for some old fashioned rule - ERM its about giving people like me one day a week that I can be home for 5 or 6 to be with my family like others do and not be out working till 10/11 or later?) Because of zero hour contracts I can be made to work the full 363 days a year or risk not having the overtime (I.e, normal weekly working hours of about 45) I need. Because of said contracts, I won't get paid for not working Easter Sunday or Christmas day even though I would normally work a Sunday and any given day Christmas falls on.

If you care though Sparkling, boycott all non essential shops and services on bank holidays and public holidays. If none uses them, it won't be worth them opening.

Wow that turned into a right rant... Sorry! I just wish I'd gone on to do medicine and became a doctor ;)

aftermay Fri 29-Mar-13 09:46:53

Did you lobby for those libraries to be kept open? Or did you agree that a read and a cuppa can be provided by willing do-gooders so libraries can well have their funding cut. After all, they're only there as a glorified bus shelter.

Flisspaps Fri 29-Mar-13 09:48:05

Our bin men are out today. I, like many of my neighbours, assumed they'd be off so haven't taken the recycling out for collection.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:48:29

It wouldn't bother me if everything shut today Bruised. I would have done my food shopping yesterday. Probably do it tomorrow now anyway. smile

Yellow, I dread to think about the nonsense you have to put up with.

sashh Fri 29-Mar-13 09:49:53

the hospital staff don't get time off with family unless they have booked it I assume.

Actually a lot will be off. All the admin people, some of the departments, all clinics will not take place.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:50:40

They have just built a new Library. It has a gold roof. shock Here it is. I could go today if it wasn't shut. grin

aftermay Fri 29-Mar-13 09:53:07

I did a home visit for someone who really truly couldn't attend surgery. Only to find her DH was at home (so could have driven her in) but he was engaged in decorating their new home and couldn't work around the paint drying.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:54:05

shock after. Are you allowed to say anything?

aftermay Fri 29-Mar-13 09:55:10

Sorry, that library looks hideous. But then you'd be inside and not have to look at it.

aftermay Fri 29-Mar-13 09:57:46

Sparkling, I hope that's annonymous enough smile I made a few noises but at the end of the day you just want to get out if there and go to the next visit. Next time I insisted on a surgery appointment with the same patient (young, fit). TBH they'd just moved to the area so maybe still testing things.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 09:59:15

I would be inside it if it wasn't shut. grin

GW297 Fri 29-Mar-13 10:08:12

Our library is open on Sundays. You can go to out of hours if your children fall poorly today. My friend's children still have their tennis lessons on Sunday - that's like having one on Christmas Day!

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 10:09:42

Our nearest smaller library is shut on a Thursday too. confused

We nearly had a football match for DS1 on Sunday but the other team cancelled.

weegiemum Fri 29-Mar-13 10:18:57

It's a myth that GPs work 8.30 -6!

My dh leaves at 7 to be there for 8. Yesterday he got home at 10.30, having done 2 visits (one to a dementia patient, one to a terminal cancer patient) after 7pm as they needed it.

I don't begrudge him today off. In 4 days (excluding his out of hours shift) he worked 70 hours in 4 days.

That must be a typo weegie. 70 hours in 4 days?

Lueji Fri 29-Mar-13 10:30:01

I would imagine Tuesday will be the day from hell for staff and the GPs.

Or not.
Most colds do get better in 3 days. wink

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 10:52:28

There is a thread now discussing post. Apparently in Scotland they are getting post. AFAIK no post on Good Friday?

ChookKeeper Fri 29-Mar-13 11:03:50

It was amazing how many people didn't feel they needed to see a Dr earlier this week when the weather was bad - a lot less calls coming in and we still had same day appointments left at 11am.

We had one patient phone in yesterday at 5:30pm asking for an appointment that evening. When asked how urgent they thought the problem was they said "well I've had a bad leg for about 3 weeks but I've only just got around to calling". They did then say "oh so I suppose it's not really urgent then, I'll call back another day". When offered an appointment for next week they said "nah it's alright I'll see how it goes" hmm

The reality is that although there are urgent problem that arise 'out of hours' that patient is typical of the kind of thing a GP would be dealing with on a bank holiday.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 11:06:35

Our GP does have an automated booking line 24/7 so you can book cancel and rearrange appointments by phone without speaking to a soul. It's really good. So I could make an appointment now if I wanted, for next week.

ChookKeeper Fri 29-Mar-13 11:06:49

Or what about the woman who needed to a doctor NOW and could not possibly wait - her major emergency? She'd cut her finger 10 minutes before, it had stopped bleeding but it might be infected .............

ChookKeeper Fri 29-Mar-13 11:10:35

Ah but Sparklingbrook I had someone (30s, computer literate, access to the internet) make a formal complaint to me that the surgery was discriminating against "OAPs who'd paid in the NHS for 50 years" because we offer online booking and all those greedy young patients would snaffle the appointments because "pensioners don't use the internet".

He was deadly serious.

Chookkeeper I had a woman with a cut on the top of her finger that hadn't even gone all the way through the skin. She was worried that a nerve or tendon might have been damaged and wanted it to be formally explored under anaesthetic.

Now granted your average punter hasn't had my teaching in anatomy. So I explained that if the skin hadn't actually been cut all the way through it wasn't possible for anything else to be damaged so she would be fine. But I had to explain this about 10 times before she finally understood and I don't think it was my communication that was the problem...

YY to what you said about the average punter who'd be coming to the gp today would be someone with a problem that firstly probably didn't need to be seen at all and secondly certainly didn't need to be seen urgently.

thebitchdoctor Fri 29-Mar-13 11:26:22

GP here. Don't work 9-5, try 8-7 and on Tuesdays I work till 9pm.

If you weren't GP bashing why put it in your title? Surely it should be 'shouldn't doctors surgeries, schools, banks post offices etc be open'?

I'm on call next Tuesday. It's going to be hell but I don't mind, part of my job.

Wishfulmakeupping Fri 29-Mar-13 11:44:11

Tbf you get paid well for being a GP ooh work is part of the job description

aftermay Fri 29-Mar-13 11:45:46

There speaks The Great Public.

Sirzy Fri 29-Mar-13 11:49:09

actually OOH work is no longer part of the job description is it?

thebitchdoctor Fri 29-Mar-13 12:06:14

Our pay is actually not as much as the general public think it is.

Also OOH work is not part of the job description according to the GP contract. We have to be open 8-6.30 Monday to Friday. Lots of surgeries do extended hours, like mine does. OOH work is covered by the OOH service, which a lot of local GPs actually do work for in their own time.

BabsAndTheRu Fri 29-Mar-13 12:43:23

I have worked in acute medical and rehab for about 20yrs now, we don't work weekends but would dearly love to. We know this would provide a better service, better outcome for patients and shorter length of stay, unfortunately the funds are not there. We re pushing for it and hope to start a pilot project to prove its worth. The problem you have is the cover for weekends would be found from the existing staff who would not be back filled through the week to enable them to do this as no funds for backfill. I expect it is exactly the same for GP's. Weekend working would have started sooner but this government in an attempt to reduce the debt decided to in its wisdom to cut back the funding in the public sector first, nhs, police, education, but then that's a whole other thread. So in answer to your question YANBU and it is something that is looking to be developed but not enough funding.

aftermay Fri 29-Mar-13 12:58:48

You meant the government in its stupidity smile

BabsAndTheRu Fri 29-Mar-13 13:00:59


JenaiMorris Fri 29-Mar-13 13:07:46

That gold library is open 7 days a week, 08:30 - 22:00 which is pretty impressive.

I think shops should at least adhere to Sunday trading rules today and Monday. I'm not remotely religious but continual consumption and commerce offends my inner Marxist.

aftermay Fri 29-Mar-13 13:14:54

JennaiMorris but it's not open on Sundays. And that's when the OP would like to use it. Surely, that could be accommodated?

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 13:34:34

Traffic Wardens are working today I noticed......

tesco dont pay extra for working a bank holiday actually, not unless you're working overtime.. if today is your normal rota'd day, you get normal pay.

They're also closed Easter sunday.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 13:42:20

Sorry-library confusion. I posted a pic of the new golden library to point out they don't seem short of cash. Our local smaller library shut Thursdays and Sundays, and I thought it was the smaller libraries in danger of closing due to lack of use.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 13:46:35

The Golden Library is used by Worcester University students so possibly not a good example in hindsight.

Anyway, I have been out, everywhere is hideously busy as if the shops will be shut forever from tonight. And I expect the traffic warden is making a mint.

trinity0097 Fri 29-Mar-13 16:38:11

I find it much better to be ill at a weekend/bank holiday as you get an appointment with the out of hours doctor much more easily! Went this morning for some antibiotics as I developed a nasty ear infection yesterday evening, if I had had to go to my GP I would have had to wait until at least this evening for an appointment.

BackforGood Fri 29-Mar-13 16:48:56

I think the question should be more along the lines of

"Why are so many people working, when it's a Bank Holiday"

rather than why are GPs actually taking the bank holiday.
I can understand emergency services and some hospital staff, and there are probably a few other jobs, but I'd support a campaign that returned us to the days where the majority of the working population respected bank holidays, (and Sundays come to that, but perhaps that's another thread altogether).

Bunbaker Fri 29-Mar-13 16:52:37

Sparkling I get the impression that you don't realise that today is a bank holiday. Therefore most places of work are closed. Essential services are still working, but most council run services aren't.

Nowadays shops are open on Good Friday and as most people are off work that accounts for how busy it is.

MrsVamos Fri 29-Mar-13 16:53:26

I think we should go back to Sunday - everything is closed, Bank Holidays are for everyone, so everything is closed, etc etc.

Life is far too fraught these days. I know that 'we' the british public wanted life like this, but I have decided I don't like it and want the old days back.


Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 16:59:44

Thanks Back that is a better way of putting it. smile

I have got the hump a bit that DH is at work. I used to work for a bank so do understand that if it's a Bank Holiday then they close. Although when we got back in the next working day it was manic to the point where it wasn't worth it TBH.

I wouldn't mind if everything shut.

crashdoll Fri 29-Mar-13 17:06:39

Just a general comment - I think a lot of people expect an awful lot from their GPs. Obviously, as in every profession, you will find some truly crap doctors but I feel many of them are oppressed by budget constraints. I've had "sorry it's only meant to be one problem per appt but as it's related and you've only used 4 out of your 10 min appt...go on" and "sorry to have to ask you this but would you prefer to switch from ExpensiveHelpfulDrug to CheaperDrugThatDidn'tHelpYouBefore"?

manticlimactic Fri 29-Mar-13 17:09:43

It's been like Christmas at work today. All the big supermarkets are shut Sunday. You'd think they were shut for a year the amount of shopping people are doing. Nice day off for some and what do they do? Go shopping.

Sparklingbrook Fri 29-Mar-13 17:11:21

grin mantic. Do people not realise they are open tomorrow? confused

BookFairy Fri 29-Mar-13 19:07:45

I agree sparkling with the confusion over what is open/shut. My GP surgery is closed until Tuesday and not doing repeat prescriptions for 2 weeks. The bins were collected, my new shoes were delivered, some shops closed, open shops were packed with folk stocking up for the apocalypse easter.

Sirzy Fri 29-Mar-13 19:15:52

not doing repeat prescriptions for 2 weeks

That is madness!

Fig - only those providing emergency care. The others will be off. I should know, i work in one of those professions and my sister another! Radiographers diagnosing fractures etc yes. Those providing radiotherapy no. Sonographers no. SALT, no. Wanting physio for SPD? Not a chance!

manticlimactic Fri 29-Mar-13 22:32:54

sparkling I'm sure some people do. Those who haven't been in today will be there tomorrow. Glad I've got the rest of the week off grin

sashh Sat 30-Mar-13 02:35:21

Nowadays shops are open on Good Friday

When I lived in Yorkshire Good Friday was generally ignored as a holiday and people got Monday and Tuesday as holidays at easter.

Iteotwawki Sat 30-Mar-13 03:19:54

Nothing was open here. All shops, surgeries, bin collections, libraries - everywhere closes Good Friday, Easter Sunday and Christmas Day. Hospital running on call / weekend service only (so I get 4 days off, huzzah!). A few dairies were open but that was it. Quiet, peaceful, day-on-the-beach day.

It's fab smile

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Sat 30-Mar-13 04:39:05

Reading this thread has made me realise I need to go shopping today, best do it on my way home after work else we'll be eating breadandpullit on Sunday.

Sparklingbrook Sat 30-Mar-13 07:28:32

I dread to think what the supermarkets will be like today, as they are shut tomorrow. Bet there's no Easter Eggs left either. shock

amandine07 Sat 30-Mar-13 07:44:56

Not read this whole thread but just want to point out- doctors do NOT get paid double/extra for working a BH- you get paid your salary as normal.

Yes you are entitled to a lieu day for each BH you work, however, when you take this lieu day depends on how much cover there is eg how many colleagues are on annual leave/on call/nights and if you can actually take the time off without compromising patient care.

Sparklingbrook Sat 30-Mar-13 08:13:33

I have just been on a thread about the new 111 number replacing OOH. Doesn't sound very good.....

Its shameful that they should be shut today, especially with this new 111 system they are rolling out. Its ridiculous that for 4 days there is no access to simple medical care and the only way of getting any is to go to a&e! Bit ott for lesser injuries/requirments!!! But what are you to do if you do require medical advice/treatment in that time?

thebitchdoctor Sat 30-Mar-13 08:58:07

Doctors surgeries are always shut on a Saturday pumpkinsweetie smile

You do have access to simple medical care, it's just going to be more difficult to access it at present with 111 being newly rolled out. Want to know who to blame? The government. Its purely a money saving exercise. My local OOH provider bid for the contract but were declined in favour of 111 as they were much cheaper (cheaper for a reason). I wonder how many of you who complain about doctors, nurses and the NHS and such like voted Tory? Because if you did you've only got yourself to blame for the mess we are in.

Sparklingbrook Sat 30-Mar-13 09:13:10

My Doctors do open one Saturday morning a month I believe.

Sparklingbrook Sat 30-Mar-13 09:18:51

It seems to have got really confusing. Looks like we have 111 or OOH. But some people only have 111.

Then there's NHS Direct so don't know where that fits in.

I envisage a rise in people going to A&E in desperation. sad

Yes i agree that its all the governments fault. They are out to ruin everything to lower the deficit, but what is the true cost of these changes?, very worrying. Our gps is closed every Saturday & Sunday but over Easter it is closed the Friday & Monday as well, which makes it 4 days iyswim.
I have no bones with the nhs, everyone needs a holiday but i do think that the government is sending our Nhs further down the pan in hope that people will be in favour of privatisation. Well i am not, what they are doing is wrong and discriminating to the poor & working class, of whom without the nhs would most probably go without treatment due to costs they cannot afford.

crashdoll Sat 30-Mar-13 09:29:59

You can get medical advice. There is NHS direct and pharmacists offer advice. I almost always see my pharmacist before making a GP appt and she said she wishes more people would do that because it saves hassle and effort on everyone's parts!

Very true crashdoll, infact at times my pharmacist is better than my doctor. Problem being though, you need a doctor to get a prescription and going to a&e is little over the top for an infection!
Thing is 111 leads to nowhere and nhs direct very often leads you to a&e, so probably costs more in the long run and sometimes its more reassuring to see an actual human when faced with medical problems, especially with young dc

TeaOneSugar Sat 30-Mar-13 09:45:11

Everyone will have OOH if their gp surgery is closed, same as every weekend.
111 replaces NHS Direct.
999 or A&E for emergencies.

crashdoll Sat 30-Mar-13 09:53:15

pumpkin I actually think pharmacists should be able to prescribe. I was just thinking a pharmacist may be able to tide you over till you can see a GP or at least give you medical advice. There is abuse of the OOH system and it's often not purposeful.

Sparklingbrook Sat 30-Mar-13 09:54:01

According to the other thread Tea some haven't got the option of OOH and have to use 111.

thebitchdoctor Sat 30-Mar-13 10:35:38

I don't think people quite understand the 111 thing. It's basically NHS Dire(ct) who have taken over the call handling aspect of OOH. But because its NHS Dire(ct) instead of the pretty straightforward process of getting through to a call handler you' ll have to go through a bloody arduous process to get an appointment.

As you can tell, I'm not a fan. I've worked in my local OOH and also used it as a patient and my local OOH service was brilliant. I'm so angry it has been messed around.

Back to the point in hand, doctors surgeries are shut during bank holidays same as the routine hospital stuff is closed/unavailable over bank holidays. Hospitals work at weekend staffing level on BHs and GPs do with OOH, so if you've got a beef about GP surgeries being shut then why haven't you got a beef that hospitals are working at minimal staffing levels on BHs?

Pharmacists are very clever people but they don't have the same training or practical experience as GPs. They are excellent for minor advice and I wish people would use them often but they are not better than GPs, they are different by virtue of their role and training.

Sparklingbrook Sat 30-Mar-13 11:00:56

Don't forget the 'asking on MN' route. grin

Gotta love a 'Should I go to A&E thread.

BookFairy Sat 30-Mar-13 11:11:09

thebitchdoctor I'm sure everyone wishes there were more medical staff in hospitals at the weekend, but I'm not sure that will ever happen? My ex had major surgery on a Friday (when we were still together) and it was a terrifying weekend without any senior staff.

thebitchdoctor Sat 30-Mar-13 11:25:01

No it probably won't ever happen. I wish it would though. I've done my fair share of weekend, bank holidays and nights and its just horrendous for both patients and staff. I would happily work evenings and weekends as a GP but the matter of fact is it would cost a cash strapped NHS too much.

BookFairy Sat 30-Mar-13 13:35:17

Much respect to you smile

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