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about stupid twatty cyclist I nearly ran over?

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BumpingFuglies Thu 28-Mar-13 15:46:04

Dickhead on a bike on the path comes zooming round the corner and cycles across the pedestrian crossing. I screech to a halt, he starts swearing at me and throwing his arms around telling me I should look!

I'm not BU. You don't cycle, you get off and walk. Wanker.

Poppet48 Thu 28-Mar-13 15:49:32

If you hit him it would definitely be your fault...

RatPants Thu 28-Mar-13 15:52:30

Cyclists terrify me. Absolutely terrify me. They are so, so vulnerable compared to a car.

Sounds like he wasn't looking either, he probably just shouted because he was shaken. Everyone is safe, don't worry about it.

BumpingFuglies Thu 28-Mar-13 15:59:48

I know Poppet. I'm ranting because it scared me too I guess. Car contents flying around etc, thinking what could have happened. I didn't shout at him though sad

Tailtwister Thu 28-Mar-13 16:03:37

Although you would be at fault if you had hit him, I understand how frightening it must have been. Some cyclists seem to want it all ways, so be treated and respected the same as cars on the road, but to be able to break all the rules at the same time (running lights, cycling on pavements, running up the insides of cars and trucks etc). It gives those who do cycle responsibly a bad name.

TheBigJessie Thu 28-Mar-13 16:06:17

Car contents flying around

On the plus side, make something good out of this experience, and fasten stuff down. It could save your life next time you have to stop suddenly.

thefirstmrsrochester Thu 28-Mar-13 16:07:37

Why would OP have been at fault? If she approached the pedestrian crossing with care and the cyclist whizzed onto it from round the corner, what more could OP have done?
At a pedestrian crossing you expect to be l

greenfolder Thu 28-Mar-13 16:08:01

well, i think he would have contributed and found to be percentage at fault if you had witnesses who saw him cycling fast onto the pedestrian crossing. i had a similar case where a person was backing out of a spot and a cyclist came at full pelt down the footpath and collided with him. it went all the way to court (civil case) but because there were witnesses, it was found in the car drivers favour. he had reversed out cautiously and if the person had been going at walking pace, the accident would never have happened.

thefirstmrsrochester Thu 28-Mar-13 16:08:03

* looking out for pedestrians?

BumpingFuglies Thu 28-Mar-13 16:09:35

Jessie do you put the seatbelt round your handbag? confused

TheBigJessie Thu 28-Mar-13 16:13:29

My handbag is on me, under the seatbelt, so is fastened down.

Look, I know you think I'm being unhelpful, and criticising you for the sake of it, but that's not my aim.

It's okay to be shaken up. But it could happen again, and be worse next time.

BumpingFuglies Thu 28-Mar-13 16:17:07

Never thought of it really like that Jessie

Tbh it was the stuff in my bag, boxes of gloves, pens and clipboard. No housebricks smile

I take your point though

TheBigJessie Thu 28-Mar-13 16:20:50

No-one thinks of it, until it happens, or someone else explains it to them with gruesome details!

Physics is a bitch!

BumpingFuglies Thu 28-Mar-13 21:51:41

Sorry Jessie just so mad at being raged at when Mister Two Wheels had a go at me

NumericalMum Thu 28-Mar-13 21:56:43

I think with cyclists it works both ways. I was cycling along merrily once and someone turned right in front of me across traffic (which was stopped) and I couldn't see that someone was turning besides the cars. I hit the car and no damage was done other than some bits of my bike cracking on the handlebars etc. It really wasn't my fault he turned in front of me (it was a cycle lane and I was in a long line of other cyclists doing an event which was why there was traffic so he really should have been looking out for us anyway but that is a whole other point) but he got out and spent ages telling me how cyclists are evil and never stop at pedestrian crossings etc. I had done nothing wrong and had some damage done to my bicycle but he shouted at me. I was very shaken up.

DuelingFanjo Thu 28-Mar-13 22:08:15

Blimey, you were approaching a crossing so fast that when you stopped the contents of your car were flying around?

maddening Thu 28-Mar-13 22:09:26

Jessie has a point - I knew someone who broke their neck as they had a relatively slow crash but heavy items on the back shelf flew forward and hit his head breaking his neck - he survived luckily.

Also read about a toddler with a massive gash on his face when a sippy cup was flung around during a crash.

I am guilty of having loose stuff around also and my ds brings toys with him - a good sort out for me I think - thanks for reminding me smile

TheBigJessie Thu 28-Mar-13 22:09:54

BumpingFuglies I can imagine. Being shouted at for something that's not your fault when you're shaken up... <shudder>

Do have a think about fastening stuff down though. <one-track mind>

Even the contents of the innocuous average handbag could cause serious injury if flung at someone at thirty-forty miles an hour!

timidviper Thu 28-Mar-13 22:21:23

Today I slowed and stopped at a crossing to let 2 small boys (maybe about age 7ish) across, as did a driver coming the other way. When they were almost across a cyclist shot up the inside of the other car, didn't stop for the lights and missed the little boys by inches. He didn't stop, apologise or even acknowledge the near miss.

Cyclists like this give them all a bad name

BumpingFuglies Thu 28-Mar-13 22:56:10

Dueling about 25 in a 30 mph zone. Stopped suddenly.

zwischenzug Fri 29-Mar-13 07:37:23

Both of you were at fault. Although he does sound like a twat whereas you just weren't driving defensively enough.

CombineBananaFister Fri 29-Mar-13 08:15:16

YANBU- at a pedestrian crossing you are approaching with caution and looking for PEDESTRIANS not cyclists who should be on the road anyway. I say that as a non-driver who cycles everywhere, and stuff like this pisses me off immensely.

I bike to work 6am and for some reason because its early no-one seems to think the rules apply. Have had 4 accidents because of stupid shit like this (both from bikes and cars, especially bloody taxis who should know better) angry

sorry for rant, phew feel better nowblush

lustybusty Fri 29-Mar-13 15:47:43

As I approach a pedestrian crossing, I tend to look 30-40m either side of the crossing, both sides, to see if anyone is approaching. If there are people about, I slow down and prepare to stop. If I don't, I carry on at the 25-30mph I would be doing anyway. On my way home from work, there is a side street, then about 20m down the road is a zebra crossing. The other day, as I was driving along this main road, I saw a cyclist on the side road, cycling on the road. As he reached the junction, he went up onto the pavement, along the pavement and across the zebra crossing. All without changing speed at all. I discovered on that occasion that both the horn and the abs work on my new car.... Some, not all, cyclists are nightmares. OP, I feel for you. At least the guy I barely missed only gave me the finger....!

hopefloats Fri 29-Mar-13 15:53:36

OP, you 'screeched to a halt' approaching a pedestrian crossing? No wonder the bloke was shouting at you. It could have been a child. Slow down fgs.

BumpingFuglies Fri 29-Mar-13 20:00:35

hopefloats did you read that I was only doing 25mph in a 30 zone? The cyclist rounded a corner (I'm good but I can't see round corners) and shot out across the pedestrian crossing. Had I seen a pedestrian in the distance, I would have slowed to a gentle halt. As it was I had very little warning.

BumpingFuglies Fri 29-Mar-13 20:02:03

Thanks lusty

I am a very careful driver, but I cannot predict arseholes on bikes using a pedestrian crossing illegally and then ranting at me. Just wrong.

Poppet48 Fri 29-Mar-13 20:26:07

Sorry that was insensitive of me, It would have affected me too.

Hope your okay.

Poppet48 Fri 29-Mar-13 20:26:21

*you're

Jengnr Fri 29-Mar-13 20:29:22

What is this fastening down business? How can the contents of a handbag cause injury?

HollyBerryBush Fri 29-Mar-13 20:30:45

Cyclists can be utter wankers.... one sailed through a crossing when I was pedestrian on it and a million months pregnant, sent me flying, I 'oiyed' him and he had the audacity to call me a cunt .... I get pissed off every morning with the lycra clad, savloy down his shorts knob I meet on the road every morning who sails through every fecking red light.

In my ideal world I would have a snow plough and mulch him to oblivion.

heggiehog Fri 29-Mar-13 20:35:39

People can be utter wankers.

As a cyclist I have car-drivers try to kill me on a near daily basis. I am cautious and obey the rules of the road but that doesn't stop them from driving the wrong way down one way streets, pulling into cycle lanes, opening car doors before looking. Etc.

There are terrible cyclists and car drivers (some people are both!).

TomArchersSausage Fri 29-Mar-13 20:38:09

Agree with heggie. 100%

paintyourbox Fri 29-Mar-13 20:42:22

I had a cyclist come flying round the corner on the pavement straight into DDs pram. Luckily it's a sturdy pram and she was just shaken. I was so angry- especially because there was a cycle lane running right next to the pavement, he just chose not to use it

My poor sis was hit by a cyclist who ran a red light, she was hit so hard that she was thrown several feet and sustained a broken wrist and severe bruising to her head.

BumpingFuglies Fri 29-Mar-13 20:44:33

Yes, both can be twatty I think. Anyway, having thought about it, my anger has come from worrying that someone may have been hurt. I know the cyclist was at fault, but it would still have devastated me if I'd hurt him.

I'm a pedestrian, so I hate everyone smile

BumpingFuglies Fri 29-Mar-13 20:48:25

sadeyed grin

montage Fri 29-Mar-13 20:55:55

Loose objects in a crash can be lethal. You know those ads about how unrestrained children hit other passengers with a force many times their weight? Same principle with loose objects. People can be killed by first aid boxes on their "parcel shelf". There was a child in America killed recently by a dvd player which was not secured properly.

This link explains it

kansascity.legalexaminer.com/automobile-accidents/did-you-know-lose-items-in-your-car-can-become-deadly-projectiles-in-a-crash.aspx?googleid=283050

DP was in a car crash with DDog a few years ago - DDog had a special seatbelt on that snapped and got fairly bruised. I hate to think what could have happened if she hadn't have had that on.

As a pedestrian, I do have to say there is all sorts of wanky behaviour by car drivers and cyclists alike. But the cyclists wankery tend to stick in your mind more because you think a cyclist is going to be a nicer person, by virtue of the fact that they are cycling.

So when they jump red lights, cycle on the pavement, ignore cycle lanes to ride on the pavement, shoot through red lights on pedestrian crossings, jump on the pavement to speed their way through traffic, shoot round corners on the pavement and ride directly into DD, cycle across PEDESTRIAN crossings at high speed, ride two abreast on the pavement, have no high vis, no lights, no helmets...it does their cause no favour at all.

But that said, an awful lot of car drivers are wankers too. Especially the twat who reversed their car into DDs pushchair when I was crossing the road.

Nattynar Fri 29-Mar-13 23:11:07

Hopefloats - so you spend you life driving at 15mph just in case a child, granny, cyclist might threaten to jump in front of you from 50 metres away.

Everyday I have to deal with cyclist who clearly have a death wish, and no regard for other road users or pedestrians! They are a law unto their own, we are always told to look for them! How about they try looking for cars, and checking their blind spot before they veer around a drain and in front of my car!

Both my DP and step father have been hit by cyclists, who just to watch the road, and how the traffic is behaving!

lisaloeb Fri 29-Mar-13 23:23:07

Sounds like a cyclist I was unfortunately behind on my road last week.

He was cycling 2 abreast, I'm well back to allow them both to file single file. A car goes around the 180 degree bend and almost clips him. He's blocking the road shouting abuse, I'm like you're blocking the road and I want to get on.

By the way they weren't on the cycle path that was on the opposte side of the road.

Cyclists need to learn the highway code, and be more aware of motorists and other road users,

rainbunnieseatingalltheeggs Fri 29-Mar-13 23:32:40

Cyclists are allowed to cycle 2 abreas.
Im a pedestrian who is trying to teach her kids to cross teh roads properly.
But every fucking time someone ,either car or cyclist or person decides to break the lights.Do they not realise it only takes one time and they could kill someone.

inabeautifulplace Fri 29-Mar-13 23:43:57

How about you taking more care when overtaking Nattynar? Cyclists are allowed to use the entire width of the lane. They aren't veering in front of your car, you are failing to allow enough room...

DoesBuggerAll Fri 29-Mar-13 23:46:57

I'm not aware that they put pedestrian crossings anywhere near corners. It sounds like you were driving too fast and not paying attention. Rather than admit this (you probably don't realise though) you seek to blame the cyclist.

DoesBuggerAll Fri 29-Mar-13 23:56:03

According to the DFT the absolute minimum visibility for a pedestrian crossing is 40 metres. At 30mph you are covering just over 13 metres per second. You should have therefore, a minimum of nearly 3 seconds between sighting a pedestrian crossing and driving through it. Sounds like the OP was going far too fast or just not paying attention.

Kowalski Sat 30-Mar-13 00:02:52

Of course there are pedestrian crossings near corners! There is a zebra crossing on the main road at the end of my road, which is next to another side road! They also put them by roundabouts! Sorry didnt want to get drawn in but what a daft comment!

Permanentlyexhausted Sat 30-Mar-13 00:19:29

Agrre with Kowalski. I can think of loads of examples. Often they are deliberately put close to junctions - to encourage school children, and others, to use them. If you come out of a side road and want to cross to the other side you're not going to walk 100 metres down the road to do so at a safe crossing, but you might consider walking 15-20 metres.

piprabbit Sat 30-Mar-13 00:30:08

There's a pelican crossing within 3m of a busy road junction in my town.
It's a nightmare, you wait to pull out, you check the pavements, you look at the cars opposite trying to turn left, you check the oncoming traffic, you check the bus stop opposite, you finally pull out only to find yourself right on top of the crossing with a pedestrian who was previously hidden from view by the pub hedge.

Permanentlyexhausted Sat 30-Mar-13 00:36:20

Also, YANBU, OP.

Given the sort of cycling I see on an almost daily basis, I'm surprised there are not more deaths of cyclists tbh. Perhaps someone could explain to me the rationale behind pulling out of a cycle lane into the car lane to overtake a slower cyclist without even looking behind you. I see it happen in front of me on a daily basis. I am always on the alert if I see a faster cyclist approaching a slower one in the cycle lane but I fear it will only be a matter of time before one of them really does just pull out into my car. I just don't understand why you wouldn't look first - to me it would feel the same as crossing a road without looking and I wouldn't dream of doing that.

Just as all car drivers should drive defensively so should all cyclists.

DoesBuggerAll Sat 30-Mar-13 00:37:00

Yes they put pedestrian crossings close to junctions but the OP said the cyclist came round the corner, not out of a side road. Perhaps she in fact meant the cyclist was riding on the pavement on a side road, onto the main road pavement and then onto the crossing? I can see how this might be a tricky one to avoid. Mind you the cyclist must have been doing some speed for the OP to have needed to stamp on the brakes. Still sounds like a lack of awareness and anticipation. Sorry but most people are bad drivers, they just can't admit it.

Kowalski Sat 30-Mar-13 00:45:36

But shouldn't the cyclist should have been cycling on the road, rather than across the pedestrian crossing? Can't put that down to bad driving.

Permanentlyexhausted Sat 30-Mar-13 00:50:10

Doesbuggerall - I assumed that was exactly what she meant. A cyclist really wouldn't have to be going particularly fast to be able to do what she described.

I'm sure most people are bad drivers and don't always display the awareness and anticipation they should, but that applies equally to cyclists, and in fact to every road user. Whilst a car should be able to stop in time, the moral highground isn't going to be of much use if it doesn't. Just as drivers should have the awareness and anticipation to stop in time in that situation, so should the cyclist. He should have been able to stop in case she hadn't. You should not rely on someone else for your own personal safety.

KissMyGrits Sat 30-Mar-13 08:55:35

According to the high way code cyclists should dismount to cross a zebra crossing. Although it's not illegal to cycle across it can be used as evidence of dangerous cycling or put them at fault in the event of a collision.
Link

A couple of times I've noticed a cyclist behind me, so indicated in plenty of time that I'll be turning left and as I've slowed down to turn they've still tried to under take me. I think some cyclists have a death wish or an 'I can use the road too' attitude which makes them believe they can do what they want. I do think you should be made to take a test before cycling on the roads, but don't know how practical it would be.
Most of the cyclists around here are safe though, apart from when they refuse to use the cycle path and instead ride on a busy, twisty 40 MPH road.

theodorakisses Sat 30-Mar-13 09:34:10

why do pathetic little twats suddenly become so testosteroney when they ride a bike. They look stupid and just like a pathetic little twat with a silly hat on. Idiot.

CalamityKate Sat 30-Mar-13 09:43:10

This happened to me a while back. Driving along and approaching a zebra crossing and in my peripheral vision was a young cyclist just a bit ahead of me on the pavement and I thought "I bet he's going to cycle across that crossing without looking" and sure enough he did. If I hadn't had that premonition* I'd have knocked him flying.

*When I say premonition I don't mean it in a woo way. I think it's a combination of experience and reading tiny signals. Like when you're driving along and you just know that the person in front is about to turn off suddenly without indicating etc.

TiggyD Sat 30-Mar-13 10:32:58

"why do pathetic little twats suddenly become so testosteroney when they ride a bike."

I think it's because of the risk of death. And because you also have to compete with vehicles that weigh up to 40 tonnes and travelling up to 70 miles an hour. Meek cyclists riding in the gutter get killed. Riding in the middle of the lane is safer but quite confrontational.

It might also be the tight lycra squeezing the testosterone out of their shorts and into their body.

TomArchersSausage Sat 30-Mar-13 15:47:46

People can be unsafe cyclists and people can be unsafe drivers. Not all cyclists or drivers are though.

But hmm @ 'They look stupid and just like a pathetic little twat with a silly hat on. Idiot.' And the ever popular 'lycra clad..' has been sneeringly mentioned I see.

Why mention the clothing? It concerns me that people view cyclists with such derision and nastiness because of what they're wearing.

My dh would probably be viewed in such terms by some when he is in fact a considerate, safe cyclist and driver. The two are not mutually exclusive. Many cyslists are also drivers too.

He and people he cycles with have been practically mown off the road (two killedsad) because what they wear and do seems to inspire such anger in people controlling a couple of tones of metal.

I appreciate there are inconsiderate and dangerous cyclists (good cyclists are as irked by the things such people do as anyone) but please don't assume just because someone is wearing clothes you don't like that that automatically makes them a twat or an idiot. It's like perpetuating that old chestnut that all women are bad drivers. It's simply not true.

ElBurroSinNombre Sat 30-Mar-13 15:58:13

At last a sense of perspective.
Completely agree Tom - I both drive and cycle and I know that you have to be assertive when riding a bike. That doesn't mean that it is OK to break the law or behave in a way that endangers others as stated in the OP. I have witnessed many incidents of bad cycling, but also and more frighteningly witness on a daily basis dangerous and inconsiderate driving. A car can kill easily, deaths from being hit by a bike are very, very rare. The bile being spewed on here about mulching cyclists, lycra etc. do not help. For the record I neither wear lycra or carry a saveloy.

BumpingFuglies Sat 30-Mar-13 17:19:55

I was doing 25 in a 30 ffs! Straight road, no pedestrians in sight. The cyclist rounded the corner on the path and shot across the crossing before I could blink. I was being VERY careful, I always am.

I am NOT a bad driver. Thanks to those who actually seem to understand.

BumpingFuglies Sat 30-Mar-13 17:21:09

Lycra doesn't make you a twat. Cycling across a pedestrian crossing does. He was probably going faster than me!

SpringHare Sat 30-Mar-13 17:27:05

Well said TomArchersSausage (and love the name).

KissMyGrits the Highway Code says you should give way to users of cycle lanes when turning left.

chris481 Sat 30-Mar-13 19:32:02

Springhare

I went looking for that bit of the highway code you mention, haven't found it yet, can you post a link?

On the other hand I have found the exact opposite instruction to cyclists:

Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left.

https://www.gov.uk/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82/road-junctions-72-to-75

It's been some years since I left the UK but I was taught that when approaching a pedestrian crossing, one should always be prepared for an emergency stop.

So, the cyclist was BU.

One more remark. Strictly speaking it is true that both cyclists and motorists can be twats, but I don't like to compare the two. Motorists commit their twattery in a heavy metal box which kills people when operated negligently. Cyclists don't.

SpringHare Sat 30-Mar-13 19:39:56

Here you go, chris: Point 183

183
When turning

keep as close to the left as is safe and practicable
give way to any vehicles using a bus lane, cycle lane or tramway from either direction.

CombineBananaFister Sat 30-Mar-13 21:02:01

I just don't understand the animosity between cyclists and drivers its bloody silly. If, in this case, the cyclist was not following the rules then the op has a right to rant, as does a cyclist when it's vice-versa.
It's not about the million other times a cyclist/driver was wronged it's about ALL people just being bloody careful and following the LAW. People are getting killed for this silly power-play shit-it's not worth it.
As a famous person once said 'if you have the choice between being right or kind, choose kind'.

diaimchlo Sat 30-Mar-13 21:33:24

YADNBU, the cyclist was definitely at fault and totally thoughtless as many that I have come across are.

The worst is a woman who transports her children to school every morning on a busy road, parked cars either side leaving a safe width for 2 way traffic, she has one child sat in a plastic seat on the front of the bike and 2 in a trailer, which in itself IMHO is a disaster waiting to happen. If I come behind her I refuse to pass and many times end up doing 5 miles an hour as she struggles up the long road which in parts is a hill........ I fear for the little ones.

Whilst I acknowledge there are bad cyclists and drivers I do find cyclists one of the biggest hazards on the roads

ivykaty44 Sat 30-Mar-13 21:43:38

yabu as this was not a cyclist but a person on a bike and the two are not the same

person on the bike was in the wrong for riding bike on pavement
wrong for using a zebra crossing - they are for people crossing
the road on foot
wrong for shouting at you to look - the idea of a crossing that people travelling at 2.5mph use them not people on bikes travelling at 10mph using them - they are likely to get hit by cars not able to stop in time due to misuse by people riding bikes.

thing is most 90% of motorists are a joy to be on the road with, they treat cyclists with respect

cyclists are also a joy to be on the road with and treat motorists with respect

people on bikes are a flipping pain in the arse and give cyclists a bad name - much the same as joy riders in cars

ivykaty44 Sat 30-Mar-13 21:46:16

diaimchlo - why will you not overtake the bike? seems strange of you to refuse to overtake and then blame the cyclists and I am left wondering why?

BoneyBackJefferson Sat 30-Mar-13 21:46:19

Toadinthehole

As far as I can see one is as bad as the other. the level of "twattery" is of no real relevance

diaimchlo Sat 30-Mar-13 21:54:17

ivykaty44 I don't overtake as it is a busy road 2 way traffic, there is rarely a safe space to overtake and tbh she does not cycle in a straight line, she can wobble a bit, so I am not prepared to run the risk of possibly hurting the little ones.

Binkybix Sat 30-Mar-13 22:09:58

Toad - getting hit by a cyclist going fast can be very dangerous for a pedestrian.

Whilst we're on the subject, pedestrians can also be dangerous. DH was cycling the other day when someone just stepped out from pavement into his path, without even a glance.

So I guess it comes back to the fact that everyone needs to be more thoughtful.

Andro Sat 30-Mar-13 22:19:44

YANBU...at all!

Dangerous car drivers are a menace, dangerous cyclists are terrifying - you can do everything right and a cyclist can still end up dead/seriously injured because of their own stupidity.

goodfreyedaysusan Sat 30-Mar-13 22:27:54

a child hit by a bike can have horrendous head injuries.

KissMyGrits Sat 30-Mar-13 22:33:51

springhare they are not in a cycle lane, there aren't any cycle lanes in my area. I do give way if they don't notice their mistake as its that or kill them.

ivykaty44 Sat 30-Mar-13 22:34:20

so there are parked cars either side of this busy road - have you written to the council about parking? diaimchlo, if it is a busy road then possibly the parking is a problem and not the cyclist?

Have you considered she may not cycle in a straight line as the road is not an even surface as it is a busy road it may have not been worn evenly by motor cars and lorries -therefore leaving the camber a difficult ride? Again could you get onto the council about this?

BoneyBackJefferson,

If I survived being hit by a car at 25 MPH I might think the driver more of a twat than if I got hit by a cyclist at 25 MPH.

Next you'll be telling me that a naughty child with a catapault is no better than a naughty adult with a machine gun.

BoneyBackJefferson Sun 31-Mar-13 11:03:41

Toad

A twat is a twat.

I agree that you could separate them in to levels of twatishness if you really want to.

A catapult can kill in the right hands, (A friend of mine lost the use of his eye due to a catapult).

A friend of mine is still in therapy because a cyclist killed themselves in front of her. (much more to the tale but its not mine to tell).

The only real difference between a cyclist being a twat and a car driver being a twat is that when they meet the cyclist will pay the price.

M0naLisa Sun 31-Mar-13 11:17:08

Don your hard hat. My thread was nearly 14 pages Long when I did hit a cyclist :-( worst week if my life. Shook me up something Cronin. Even now nearly 2mth on I am scared of hitting something/one again confused

BumpingFuglies Sun 31-Mar-13 14:52:29

I don't think cyclists or motorists are in general, twats. Just this particular one. Person on bike, sorry.

inabeautifulplace Sun 31-Mar-13 21:49:25

"Whilst I acknowledge there are bad cyclists and drivers I do find cyclists one of the biggest hazards on the roads."

Why? Tens of thousands of people are killed or seriously injured on the roads every year. A small proportion of those incidents involves cycling. A smaller proportion involves someone cycling dangerously like in the OP.

I suspect you actually mean inconvenience rather than hazard though. Sadly so many people, drivers, cyclists and pedestrians alike, find it hard to share sad

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