To wish my dog wasnt so fucking annoying everytime there's a bitch on heat

(89 Posts)
YesIamYourSisterInLaw Thu 28-Mar-13 06:55:13

Whine whine whine all fucking day even when he's just got back from a walk. Arghhhhhh
I feel the feminist in me come out and start saying things to him like "what makes you think she'd even want you anyway"
Haha I know it's crazy but he's pushing my buttons. WIBU to cut his balls of myself? A pair of scissors and some ice ought to do just fine right?

ginmakesitallok Thu 28-Mar-13 06:59:42

Why isn't he neutered?

saintmerryweather Thu 28-Mar-13 07:00:01

Nope not being unreasonable! My dog is intact and decides that the dog for him is a little terrier at my agility class. a boy terrier. he runs over and starts licking his willy and i have to go and grab him. at which point he runs away. Bloody dogs! If hes not doing that hes marking everywhere. ill never have an uncastrated dog again!

If you're not planning to breed fron him get him neutered.

fuzzypicklehead Thu 28-Mar-13 07:35:07

Get them off! The largest proportion of dog bites are by intact males (will find link in a mo) and the risk is elevated by having a bitch in season nearby. Other dogs are also more likely to respond aggressively to an intact male's testosterone.

It only takes a moment of inattention on either your part or the bitch's owners to result in an escape and an unplanned litter of puppies.

YesIamYourSisterInLaw Thu 28-Mar-13 07:39:38

Fuzzy he's never off the lead so unless the bitch in question comes up and plonks herself underneath him I doubt it will happen.
I took him to be neutered about 3 years ago and my usually very calm, very laid back dog knew what was about to happen, backed himself into a corner and wouldn't let them near him. I have never seen him like it ever. I figured if he wants to keep them that badly then fine.

Naysa Thu 28-Mar-13 07:44:35

YABU to have an unneutered dog.

He doesn't get to decide whether he keeps them. Do you let him dictate when he goes for walks aswel OP?

There are too many dogs in shelters to even risk having an unneutered dog. Even if you're not planning on breeding, he obviously is and is getting distressed by being denied.

Cut them off!

BabyMakesTheBellyGoRound Thu 28-Mar-13 07:46:00

Well if you are keeping an intact dog then YABU to complain about his whinning. Of course he will whine.

Callisto Thu 28-Mar-13 07:46:25

FGS get him neutered. YABU to have an intact dog and YABU to winge about him wanting to shag when you won't have him castrated. As for his reaction at the vets - I've never heard a worse reason for not neutering.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SoupDreggon Thu 28-Mar-13 07:50:15

My vet said that the benefits of neutering/not neutering a male dog were 50/50. With a female it's a no-brainer.

Anyway, YABU to complain about your dog whining and joke about neutering him yourself. If it is bothering you, just take him to a vet and get him done.

BabyMakesTheBellyGoRound Thu 28-Mar-13 07:51:14

Sounds very pfd. hmm

Booboostoo Thu 28-Mar-13 07:54:05

YABVU not to neuter the dog. Perhaps if he was neutered you could let him off the lead and he'd expend more energy and be less likely to whine.

Dogs don't really know what is best for them, just like young children so we make decisions for them. It's good to have a compliant dog/young child, but if they refuse you are supposed to be the responsible one.

fuzzypicklehead Thu 28-Mar-13 07:54:16

I don't doubt that you keep him on the lead, at all. But the bitch's owners may be less responsible, and unneutered (male and female) dogs have some pretty amazing escape abilities during the season.

Example: my neighbors have an unspayed GSD. when she came into season, she broke down a 6ft fence and a wiggled through a conifer hedgerow to get to our foster dog.

also, bite link here

He may well be scared at the vets, but that will hold true with any other necessary medical treatment. He still needs to have it done.

DreamingOfTheMaldives Thu 28-Mar-13 07:56:00

Of course he is desperate to get to a bitch who is in season, it's his natural instincts!!! Have the poor dog neutered, it must be driving HIM mad.

Your post has really annoyed me - if your dog's whining is doing your head in, how do you think he is feeling.

saintmerryweather Thu 28-Mar-13 07:56:44

Oooh ok our dog is not neutered because he is shown and they have to have their balls for that. thats a pretty poor reason not to get him done

Callisto Thu 28-Mar-13 07:59:48

Neutered dogs can't be shown? shock Why on earth not?

YOu didn't neuter him because you humanised his reaction to an unfamiliar situation and, doubtless, your tension. That's pathetic OP. Do both of you a favour and book him in at the vet.

echt Thu 28-Mar-13 08:02:05

OP, if you know enough to know you can only show an unaltered dog, then YABU to even post this thread.

Time waster.

BramshawHill Thu 28-Mar-13 08:03:03

You are being unreasonable. You're not doing your dog any favours by keeping him intact, all those hormones coursing around his body that he can't do anything about must be awful.

And he didn't know the vet was going to castrate him, dogs aren't that smart. Book another appointment and this time stick to it if you want to be a good owner.

BramshawHill Thu 28-Mar-13 08:03:07

You are being unreasonable. You're not doing your dog any favours by keeping him intact, all those hormones coursing around his body that he can't do anything about must be awful.

And he didn't know the vet was going to castrate him, dogs aren't that smart. Book another appointment and this time stick to it if you want to be a good owner.

What a stupid excuse. He had no idea that he was getting his balls chopped. Did he sit there covering them up with his front paws and a pleading look on his face?
His reacted because of the situation he was in not because of what was to be done to him.
Get him done.

Branleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 08:06:39

why would you keep him with testosterone flooding his system but with no way of doing anything about it?? its cruel to the dog and a liability for everyone else

YesIamYourSisterInLaw Thu 28-Mar-13 08:18:10

No beer actually the vet did a you have to come pick him up I can't neuter him face, I wasn't there they rang me at work to tell me they couldn't get to him.
Can I just make it clear I didn't "chicken" out of it I wasn't there!

booboo he doesn't whine at any other time just when a bitch is in season. He goes for hour long walks 3 times a day and i jog with him so please don't presume to tell me he doesn't get enough exercise when you can't possibly know having never seen yourself.

echt learn to read love, I didn't say the comment about showing him

YesIamYourSisterInLaw Thu 28-Mar-13 08:20:34

And he wasn't scared he was aggressive. He's never ever aggressive to the vets or anyone in any other circumstances but in this case he had backed himself into a corner and was snarling.
He may not have known but he sure as hell knew something wasn't normal because he never kicks up a fuss usually with jabs or anything

YesIamYourSisterInLaw Thu 28-Mar-13 08:21:18

I mean he wasn't scared as in scared cowering obviously he was scared and protecting himself by growing

Crunchymunchyhoneycakes Thu 28-Mar-13 08:21:33

Is there not a special dog topic for stuff like this?

HazleNutt Thu 28-Mar-13 08:23:21

He's annoying when there's a bitch in heat and honestly, there's always a bitch in heat somewhere. If he manages to escape just once, that might be a whole litter of unwanted puppies.
I would try to neuter him again, surely there must be some options, like giving him some sedatives before you get to vet or maybe it helps if you actually stay there. The current situation is annoying for you and not so pleasant for the dog either.

FloatyBeatie Thu 28-Mar-13 08:24:29

I've got a dog who is fear aggressive at the vets. It is easy to find ways of dealing with this. Now that they know that there might be a problem, they will be able to manage the situation better, so that they can get him sedated and ready to be operated on without subjecting him to a hugely stressful confrontation.

ratspeaker Thu 28-Mar-13 08:25:22

They can smell the hormones a mile off, whine,make a fuss and run offat every given chance.
I dont know if there's anything to mask the scent.

I'd try another vet, if they can't get near him to neuter him when he's fit and healthy what would they be like if he was sick, injured or in pain and NEEDED treatment?

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 08:27:10

Aren't vets pretty used to dealing with aggressive or frightened pets? If your vet and his or her team couldn't handle them either without you or in your presence enough time to get the GA in I would seriously consider changing vets.

You either muzzle him when he goes or you ask the vet for a muzzle, before they take him.

He won't react when having his jabs etc. because you are with him, last time he was in a cage and strangers were trying to get hold of him, he wasn't reacting because he knew something was up.

My bitch is very wary around men, she was terrified when at the vets because it was a strange place, before she went for her op, I informed the vet of her insecurities and her possible reaction, so she was muzzled before they removed her from her security blanket, me.

MothershipG Thu 28-Mar-13 08:30:33

Find a decent vets! Let them know what happened last time so they can be prepared and get him castrated.

Or...stop whining about the whining! wink

fuzzypicklehead Thu 28-Mar-13 08:36:17

In that case, OP, the vets let you down. Instead of just throwing up their hands and telling you to take him home, they should have presented you with alternatives. For example, they could sedate him with you present so they can proceed with the operation.

Did they do the usual thing and get you to drop him off first thing so they could do "batch neutering" with any other animals that were booked in? They probably told you to come and get him because he was interfering with their surgery schedule. But that shouldn't stop them from attempting again now that they can anticipate his reaction.

Or they could look at chemical castration, which is done by injection. It's more of a PITA because you have to keep going back for injections, but it will also do the trick.

PuppyMonkey Thu 28-Mar-13 08:36:19

Sorry, bit off topic, but whoever said "timewaster" made me pmsl.grin

YesIamYourSisterInLaw Thu 28-Mar-13 08:36:31

I know mother ship, it was lighthearted honestly. He's only like it once a year for a week or so. We must not have many females round here.

saintmerryweather Thu 28-Mar-13 08:38:34

Show dogs have to have 2 fully descended testicles since showing is intended to assess breeding stock.

YesIamYourSisterInLaw Thu 28-Mar-13 08:40:34

Fuzzy they were genuinely terrified when I came to pick him up. He's a husky cross and looks like a wolf at the best of time so I should imagine he was scary to them with his hackles up and teeth out snarling.
Would breeding him calm him? He's a lovely looking dog ( we got stopped and told quite often) so it might be a shame not to just once.

You have got to be joking?

Chopping his bollocks off will calm him!

Slavetothechild Thu 28-Mar-13 08:44:34

NO if you were to use him at stud he would become much louder when a bitch comes into season. Also as he is a cross no matter how handsome, there is nothing to be gained from breeding from him

firesidechat Thu 28-Mar-13 08:46:38

I took him to be neutered about 3 years ago and my usually very calm, very laid back dog knew what was about to happen, backed himself into a corner and wouldn't let them near him. I have never seen him like it ever. I figured if he wants to keep them that badly then fine.

You honestly believe this? I love dogs, they are very intelligent, but not that intelligent!

Your dog became aggressive with the vet and therefore all the more reason to get him neutered. Your problem is easily solved if you do the right thing.

Booboostoo Thu 28-Mar-13 08:47:38

"Would breeding him calm him?" You are joking right????

I don't know why you are being snappy with the suggestions you are getting. Off lead exercise usually expends a lot more energy than on-lead exercise so I don't really need to know your dog to say this. Also no one on this thread knows your dog so why did you post?

Now that you've said he is a husky x it makes sense to keep him on the lead as they have very poor recall, however this breed needs enormous amounts of exercise to stay sane.

Muzzle for the vets?

Callisto Thu 28-Mar-13 08:52:54

Breeding from a mongrel - yes really great idea. hmm

tabulahrasa Thu 28-Mar-13 09:02:26

Breeding him would make him worse - at the moment he has a load of hormones flooding about that he hasn't got a clue what to do with, showing him what they're for will just increase his behaviour.

cleangreens Thu 28-Mar-13 09:04:19

Oh god this gets worse! Breed him! Oh please don't bring even more dogs into the world and Husky x too

Rikalaily Thu 28-Mar-13 09:05:18

saintmerryweather Show dogs have to have 2 fully descended testicles since showing is intended to assess breeding stock.

You can get implants inserted after neutering so they look like they have testicles.

YesIamYourSisterInLaw Breeding him would probably make him worse and could alter his personality and not in a good way.

Get him neutered, he won't have to be a slave to his hormones and you'll take away the risk of some types of cancer. There are hardly any valid reasons to leaving a none stud intact and the benefits outweigh those reasons in my book. I never leave any of my animals intact, it's just not fair to them when they are just a pet. Muzzle him before you get to the vets and ask the vet for a premed that you can give him before you leave the house so he's more relaxed when you get there.

lljkk Thu 28-Mar-13 09:09:25

That's weird, I thought MNers were universally rabid in proclaiming that intact dogs were no more difficult/risky/dangerous/aggressive/anything bad than dogs who had been neutered properly before puberty. Not only that, but oh, there were significant health risks, not a simple matter, no clear obvious right thing to do.

But hey ho, one high profile case and the lemming behaviour comes out...

(For the Record I have always thought that un-neutered was obviously nuts, just am genuinely flummoxed by this thread).

Callisto Thu 28-Mar-13 09:19:51

lljkk - huh? Any sane and reasonable person knows that there is a serious problem with unwanted dogs in the UK and that neutering is the only way to address it. And that having a mongrel with balls is just bloody stupid. It has fuck all to do with the girl that was killed.

Suggesting that people be responsible owners and get there dogs neutered is because of recent events?

every thread I have seen on these boards regarding pets and neutering has always given the same advice, Get them done.

lljkk Thu 28-Mar-13 09:24:02

I agree with you.
I know that I'm sane, I'm just astonished to hear other MNers saying the same thing. I could easily find dozens of archived threads on here with lots of posters insisting that intact dogs pose no problems, that neutering is too risky for the dog, etc. And almost no one daring to disagree.

Think I need to go lie down in a dark room or something.

FloatyBeatie Thu 28-Mar-13 09:45:24

That's not my experience of mn, lljkk. I'm sure there are threads where people express those views of course, since those views are present in the world at large just as on mn. But there are many many threads where neutering is very widely regarded as the better option.

I guess lots of people have the wrong view that neutering will cure all sorts of problems, rather than problems specifically related to sexually motivated behaviour, and that does mean that there tend to be lots of comments saying, "no no, neutering isn't the solution for that -- training is what you need". But those aren't anti-neutering comments.

DeskPlanner Thu 28-Mar-13 10:00:17

I agree with everyone else. Find a new vet.

wildfig Thu 28-Mar-13 10:52:26

I'm amazed that you've got a vet who can't control a dog enough to do an operation they could bill you a couple of hundred quid for. I think our vet would tranquillise a rampaging elephant if it was going to net him £250. Something else must have spooked him in the surgery, or there's something they're not telling you, but there is absolutely no way he knew he was about to be castrated.

'Breeding' your poor dog would be like giving him a giant cream cake then walking him past a bakery every day. Don't do it. Find a different surgery, and have him neutered, before he causes an accident.

Pigsmummy Thu 28-Mar-13 10:56:50

Go to a decent vet and get the poor woof done. Your neighbours will probably thank you too, they are probably about to do a thread about their neighbours dog.

FloatyBeatie Thu 28-Mar-13 11:12:34

It may not be that the vets were at fault. It might just have been that the aggression was sudden and caught them unawares because he had been placid earlier. So next time they might manage things much better, perhaps by getting him sedated while he is still with you, or by having you bring him in already muzzled.

When my dog was an adolescent, before I knew enough about his capacity to be nervy and fearful with people he didn't know, I left him with an experienced and sensible groomer. When I arrived to pick him up she told me he had growled very determinedly and persistently whenever she approached him, and she had decided it was better to abandon the haircut rather than force upon him something that was only going to escalate his fear and perhaps make him feel cornered into upping the aggression from growling to trying to bite.

I thought that was a sensible decision on her part. It left us free to re-think things rather than entrench his fear by blundering forwards without proper planning.

(Oh, and I didn't conclude that he somehow knew he was going to get a haircut and was determined to avoid something so emasculating. grin)

BlessedDespair Thu 28-Mar-13 11:27:26

The only time my at the time entire dog showed any interest in a bitch in heat was when my mums bitch came into heat for the first time since they'd bought her (they'd been told she was spayed). He got such a savage telling off from his love interest that he avoided all in heat bitches, even after being neutered

BabyMakesTheBellyGoRound Thu 28-Mar-13 11:31:52

My neutered dog is regularly humped by next doors spayed bitch confused grin
Good clean fun.

TheBigJessie Thu 28-Mar-13 11:44:12

Would breeding him calm him? He's a lovely looking dog ( we got stopped and told quite often) so it might be a shame not to just once.

...

Why would getting to find out what sex feels like once calm him? It would make him far more desperate for it, once he knew what he was missing!

How can you be willing to humanise him so much that you believe he knew he was booked in to be neutered, and yet be willing to entertain the idea that he'd be placid and accepting about experiencing something nice once, and then never being allowed to again?

I suspect the real truth is that you've always wanted puppies and you're trying to find an excuse to have some.

Pandemoniaa Thu 28-Mar-13 11:48:57

Would breeding him calm him?

No. If anything it'll make him all the keener to get at bitches on heat.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 28-Mar-13 11:53:19

My dog is neutered, but he still goes nuts everytime nextdoors bitch is in heat. And I can always tell when a local bitch is in heat because he tracks them on walks.
Granted the day we got him neutered he walked into the vets and cocked his leg on a wet-floor sign in the middle of the room. Obviously a fingers up to us for what we were about to do.

McKayz Thu 28-Mar-13 11:57:25

Please DO NOT breed him. It will not calm him down and there is no need for a litter of cross breed dogs.

I've got an intact dog(being done in a few weeks) who has never acted like this. Must not be any entire females about.

Poor thing has got an undescended testicle so we couldn't show him.

BabyMakesTheBellyGoRound Thu 28-Mar-13 12:03:47

Wtf,you want to breed a mongrel?
Is this your first dog OP? Can I suggest maybe getting in touch with some animal shelters for some basic canine education and research?

My neutered dog had a whale of a time when my bitch was in heat (she's now sorted), it wasn't him that kept pestering her though, it was the other way round, she kept thrusting her bottom at him and wouldn't leave him alone until he had DTD to her satisfaction, the poor boy couldn't keep up with demand and spent most evenings in an exhaustive heap on the floor.

BabyMakesTheBellyGoRound Thu 28-Mar-13 12:07:10

grin Binky reminds me of dh and I trying for dc2.

GilmoursPillow Thu 28-Mar-13 12:11:46

LOL at PFD!

Sunnywithshowers Thu 28-Mar-13 12:55:08

YABU get him done FFS.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 28-Mar-13 12:56:23

My vet said that animals sense and smell death. It's possible that a dying animal had been in just before him or one had just been put down or something. That could have stressed him out. Get him done though.

Naysa Thu 28-Mar-13 14:05:21

I honestly don't believe that the vet rang you to come and get him. I think you've made that up. I did work experience shadowing a vet nurse and placid dogs quickly changed and the vet equally as quickly changed his approach. Either your vet is shit or your telling porkies.

Why would you breed from a dog that is A) a mongrel and B) shows signs of aggression?

Look at how many huskies and huskie crosses are in the pounds and shelters and ask yourself whether you want to add or prevent.

Get him neutered OP.

quoteunquote Thu 28-Mar-13 14:14:09
countrykitten Thu 28-Mar-13 14:24:14

Why would you breed a dog which clearly has fear related aggression issues? Why would you breed your dog at all?

Get him castrated by a vet who knows what they are doing (although I do find your story regarding the vet a little unbelievable to be honest)and then you will have nothing to moan about will you?

I am involved in animal rescue and am very pro-neutering. Why wouldn't you?

Maggie111 Thu 28-Mar-13 14:35:24

No one should be out walking their bitch when it's in heat!!! shock It is VERY unreasonable - plenty of dogs go insane trying to follow the scent and can run into roads etc.

Keep your girl in for 2-3 weeks angry

OP - you don't have to neuter your dog if you're responsible. I happen to think that people should neuter their pets if they're not breeding but there are health benefits to keeping them intact - it's your choice.

If you wanted to see if neutering would make any difference you can buy an implant that blocks testosterone and lasts for 4-6 months. A good trial run.

But most dogs, even neutered ones, will still go nuts for a dog in heat!!

Maggie111 Thu 28-Mar-13 14:37:49

Additional - I've just seen you ask if breeding him will calm him.

No, no it will not. Once he's been studded they change - always on the look out for the next go apparently.

And definitely don't breed because you think he's "such a lovely dog"... That's why our rescue centres are so over run.

TheBigJessie Thu 28-Mar-13 14:47:37

This thread explains exactly why there are still excess kittens and puppies in 21st century Britain.

countrykitten Thu 28-Mar-13 14:48:36

Both of our bitches are neutered - people are so irresponsible. Pet animals of both sexes should be neutered when old enough and so much heartache would be prevented.

musicmadness Thu 28-Mar-13 14:51:04

Breeding wouldn't be a good idea but if he is always on a lead I don't see a reason to neuter him unless you want to. There are health risks associated with neutering dogs, it increases the risk of certain cancers etc and that can vary depending on the breed of dog. There are also benefits to neutering but that is for each individual owner to way up.

Completely anecdotal but my dog was not neutered and never escaped and never fathered any puppies. If you are responsible it's fine. As you have said your dog is always on a lead I doubt there is much risk tbh.

Why run the risk? you can not guarantee your dog will not slip its lead or escape when you turn your back for 30 seconds.

I had to keep my bitch housed for 1 month when she was in heat she still had to go outside so she could have a crap, an intact dog that has made its bid for freedom could still scale my 6ft fencing if it was that desperate to get to her.

A simple operation gives you the certainty that some irate owner of a bitch that has only just gone into her first season and cannot be operated on is not knocking on your door accusing your dog of having a bit of fun when your back is turned.

lotsofdogshere Fri 29-Mar-13 09:27:34

ridiculous

countrykitten Fri 29-Mar-13 09:31:54

musicmadness neutering actually reduces the risk of cancers which is why vets recommend it.

jajawunderbar Sat 27-Apr-13 21:00:09

Maggie111 thanks for your message - I am in the process of trying to decide whether or not to neuter my 11 mo labrador, whose only issue is pulling my arm out of its socket when there's a bitch on heat being walked around the village. It certainly seems here to be the case that bitch owners think dogs should be neutered so there will be no unwanted litters... when we got our dog the breeder gave a really good piece of advice, which was to walk an unspayed bitch AWAY from its home, on a lead, if it were impractical to keep her in. Unfortunately the owners in our village continue to exercise unspayed bitches at popular times and on popular routes whilst they are on heat, showing their disdain when I dare to exercise my unneutered male in these same areas. I guess they think I should have him done so it's a catch 22...
My main concern is that, aside from 'pully' behaviour when there's a good smell, he is totally non agressive and submissive, whereas other neutered male labradors in the village are aggressive towards him - presumably as he is complete - therefore I wonder if he would become aggresssive towards entire males if I do have him done. Any advice through experience gratefully received!

Geckoandthemonkey Sat 27-Apr-13 21:14:13

If you are not going to get your dog neutered, I think it's v cruel not to let him mate, with a spade female of course. Poor boy. I say, either the balls go or you let him shag, even if only once.

StuntGirl Sat 27-Apr-13 21:47:26

What are some people on about on this thread?

Get him neutered. It's the only fair option.

jajawunderbar Sun 28-Apr-13 11:16:39

As per my previous post, this is what I'm 'on about':

My main concern is that, aside from 'pully' behaviour when there's a good smell, he is totally non agressive and submissive, whereas other neutered male labradors in the village are aggressive towards him - presumably as he is complete - therefore I wonder if he would become aggresssive towards entire males if I do have him done.

maddening Sun 28-Apr-13 11:40:56

I am sure a vet could get to a sedated dog?

WTFisABooyhooISBooyhoo Sun 28-Apr-13 11:52:27

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D0oinMeCleanin Sun 28-Apr-13 12:02:15

One of ours is aggressive at the vets. She's unspayed, unvaccinated and still has a massive gash down her side from when she had an accident and the vet couldn't get close enough to stitch her up.

Oh, wait, that's not true. I've just remembered, the vet suggested giving her sedatives prior to any appointments and muzzling her, so we did that.

peggyblackett Sun 28-Apr-13 12:08:25

You sound ridiculous OP. Get the poor boy done.

LtEveDallas Sun 28-Apr-13 12:09:39

Get a better vet
Get a muzzle
Get him neutered

Do NOT leave him entire
Do NOT let him breed

YoniRaver Sun 28-Apr-13 12:11:04

Get him neutered.

hiddenhome Sun 28-Apr-13 12:15:40

Just muzzle it hmm

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