to not put the heating on as much as everyone else?

(147 Posts)
elmobaggins Tue 26-Mar-13 16:34:44

I grew up on a farm, in a very draft-prone house where the boiler was more broken than not, so am used to living in cold houses. I make sure we all wrap up warm at all times (i.e. appropriate thermals, multiple layers and very sturdy footwear, etc) and DH never seems to feel the cold - he works outside all day anyway.

However, now that DCs are getting to that age where they start to invite newly-made friends around, I've noticed a couple of comments from the other children/parents about how cold our house is - I've genuinely never noticed it before now... but I've just spotted a heating oil thread where someone commented they put their heating on all day when it's very cold outside shock I don't think I've had the heating on for more than 3 or 4 hours in the whole time we've lived in our house, and it's not on a timer or anything. I think we normally turn it on for the first time in late Nov/early Dec, and only on the occasional day it's very cold.

I'm starting to think that IABU for basically using the "can you feel your feet in thermals? if no, time to stick the heating on" as the threshold for if the heating gets popped on, and perhaps my level of use isn't quite normal for a family.

(Just wanted to add, DD doesn't complain of the cold - seems to have inherited DH's warm blood too.)

So, AIBU?

What's a normal "trigger" threshold for putting the heating on?

MajaBiene Tue 26-Mar-13 16:37:20

YANBU to keep your house as cold as you want, but YABU to invite people over but then make your home inhospitable/uncomfortable for them.

KellyElly Tue 26-Mar-13 16:39:17

You should put it on when you have guests as they may not favour the Arctic conditions you do.

mummymeister Tue 26-Mar-13 16:39:47

agree with maja. we keep our house colder than most other people preferring to put on extra layers. however if my parents are coming to visit or if the kids have friends to stay then we put the heating on and keep it to a comfortable 22. ok to have it as you want it when it is just you but not so if people are visiting and it makes them not feel comfortable.

DCs refuse to visit their friend who lives in a big draughty unheated farmhouse. He comes here a lot though wink.

Do you know how cold your house is?

I think some people have their house really warm now (I have a friend who has it set at 26 and she walks round in her pants) but anything below 16/17 is really quite chilly.

I wear thick socks and thermals everyday and I still get cold in 16/17 degrees.

cozietoesie Tue 26-Mar-13 16:44:50

.....a comfortable 22..... ?

Blimey - I think I'm going my dinger if I raise it to 18!

squeakytoy Tue 26-Mar-13 16:47:21

I would rather have the heating on in my house and be able to sit in comfortable lightweight clothes and have barefeet than need to be swaddled up in layers of thermals and jumpers. I grew up in a house with no central heating, ice on the inside of the windows and draughts... I vowed never to live like that as an adult.

I understand that fuel is expensive and many people have to economise, but if you can afford it why not heat your house? You wouldn't choose to live on bread and water if you could afford proper food or dress in rags or would you?

specialsubject Tue 26-Mar-13 16:49:17

after a lot of time in New Zealand. I can't bear hot houses any more and expect to wear a jumper or two in winter. We do put more heat on when guests are coming, though.

Same as squeaky, memories of the cold when I was young have never left me, no way will I go back there, it was miserable.

MajaBiene Tue 26-Mar-13 16:51:12

I usually have the heating set to 18c, and that's socks and jumpers temperature. If it's really chilly/we have guests it goes up to 20c.

cozietoesie Tue 26-Mar-13 16:51:23

The thing is that your body adjusts to lower temperatures. If we were to have the house at 22 degrees I'd need to strip off and have iced drinks. For me, 16-18 is quite comfortable.

I have my heating on 25 plus ....most of the time.

I am a chilly morsel - 16-18 to be would be cold!

Robininred Tue 26-Mar-13 16:54:18

DP and I don't have the heating on as much as some people - on a work day we only have it on for a couple of hours in the evening (in the morning we just grin and bear the cold). We have it on more at weekends if we are in a lot, perhaps a couple of hours in the morning and again in the evening. We certainly never have it on all day though. Like you we are both very outdoorsy/countryside folk and don't really mind the cold and we both own lots of warm, practical clothes.

However, when family or friends are coming over I always stick the heating on as appreciate some people do like it much warmer.

Iggly Tue 26-Mar-13 16:54:25

Our heating is set to between 18-20 depending on how cold it is outside.

I don't think it's good for your health to have it too cold eg below 16/17C especially young ones and elderly people.

If your guests aren't comfy then that is rude! It must be bad if they mention it.

I've cranked mine up again today. I can sit in a blanket but when my 14mo's hands are blue then something needs to be done.

HumphreyCobbler Tue 26-Mar-13 16:56:24

We have a warm downstairs and a freezing upstairs. I would always make sure I had both woodburners going if I had guests, and when we have people to stay I make sure that the upstairs is a bit warmer than usual - there is only so much I can do with no central heating, but I put plug in heaters in their bedrooms.

Cantbelieveitsnotbutter Tue 26-Mar-13 16:56:32

I struggle to get mine to 16, with every heater on! (No central heating)
But if I've guests coming over I do try to get it up to said 16 and warn them to wrap up!

NaturalBaby Tue 26-Mar-13 16:58:28

YANBU as it's your home and your family seem happy with the temperature but if friends are commenting then I would turn it on/up.
I have to make sure my house is warm enough when my mum babysits - I often come back to find her huddled in the corner with her coat on but she does sit by the cold window!

chrome100 Tue 26-Mar-13 16:58:47

I put the heating on as soon as I get home from work and turn it off when I go to bed. I sleep in a hoodie, fleecie trousers and a bobble hat so god knows how I would manage without heating. I am a very cold person, always have ice cold extremities and my home is my sanctuary so I want to be warm in it.

wannabeEostregoddess Tue 26-Mar-13 16:59:25

The temp on our nursery thermometer card thingy is reading 10C in the bedrooms and 13C in the living room if the fire is lit blush

I am freezing all the bloody time. I should be used to it as I grew up in a house with no heating but its really awful.

So if you can afford it YABU.

thekidsrule Tue 26-Mar-13 17:04:47

if as a family it really is not an issue than leave it as it is when your about

but

if you have guests yes turn it on,i avoid a friends house in the cold as its so miserable there with no heating on but would never tell her that

ThingummyBob Tue 26-Mar-13 17:05:18

YABU. DD won't visit one of her friends anymore due to the lack of heating and the forced jollity of the friends mum who like to be competetively cold grin
She sometimes goes on about how they don't have their heating on to 'toughen up' the dc's hmm and her dh is one of those muppets who likes to make a statement and reach for the shorts when the snow starts.

I just don't geddit!

ShatnersBassoon Tue 26-Mar-13 17:07:06

If you're happier bundled up then please yourself, but don't expect unprepared guests in regular indoor clothing to put up with the cold. Unless you offer guests thermal foundation garments as they arrive that is.

My parents house is always cold, my mum grew up in a farmhouse with no heating upstairs, just the aga downstairs, and she grew up used to cold. It's funny, the family were looking at old photos of us all there when we were little and even in the winter their front door was always open! They put the heating on now when we go and visit so that the DC's aren't cold.

We live in an old house and don't have the heating on during the day at all so it does get chilly. However we do heat it if visitors come over. Most people's houses are very warm and so you WBU to expect them to shiver in thin clothes when yours isn't.

Theicingontop Tue 26-Mar-13 17:10:00

We have a rule that if it's cold with three layers, it's cold enough for the heating.

Same rules apply to our toddler. This morning I dressed him in a vest, long-sleeve top and a thick jumper, thick chinos and two pairs of socks.

I'd love to meet someone who can afford to run their heating all day shock

I boil alive in warm houses.

ShatnersBassoon Tue 26-Mar-13 17:12:45

I think when people say their heating's on all day, they mean the thermostat is set to a certain temp and the heating will click on and off to maintain that temp. So realistically, the boiler is only burning fuel for a couple of minutes every now and then.

oldraver Tue 26-Mar-13 17:14:36

I like a warm house, not stifling but dont like to feel the cold, hence the latest bill was £660 shock I think I may turn it down a little.

My BIL never used to have his heating on, it was quite miserable there sometimes which was a shame as they were nice people but you would be really uncomfortable

Iggly Tue 26-Mar-13 17:14:50

Yes Shatners that's what we do. It's only when it's bitterly cold like now that the heating is on a lot. But once it warms up a few degrees then it doesn't stay on constantly.

HotCrossPun Tue 26-Mar-13 17:15:35

We put the heating on from 6-11 and then turn it off overnight. The house is always freezing when we wake up!

We are ttc at the moment, and I've already warned DP that when the baby comes along we are going to need to have the heating on a lot more!

If we have guests I always have the heating on, I wouldn't invite somebody over and then expect them to be chilly.

MisselthwaiteManor Tue 26-Mar-13 17:16:42

I would have the heating on all day if we could afford it, I can't stand being even slightly chilly. MILs house is freezing, it's drafty (sp?) and the heating is never on. I used to sleep over when DH lived at home and had to sleep in tights and jumpers and took my own blankets! I'd not do that to a guest, it was horrible sad

We never have the heating on more than 4 hours a day, can't afford it. We're out of oil now and won't be buying more this year.

My kids don't seem to feel the cold, I can be shivering and muttering about hypothermia and they'll be stripping off layers!

I find other people's houses uncomfortablely warm most of the time but I am conscious our house is extremely cold for visiting children. Not much I can do about it though!

Kithulu Tue 26-Mar-13 17:17:28

ooo I want a thermometer now so I can find out just how cold my house is! We have no CH, rayburn in kitchen that does hot water and radiator i bathroom. Mum lent us 2 plug in portable radiators which I have just plugged in, but they are so expensive.
I don't worry about visitors being too cold, its warmer than outside!

thekidsrule Tue 26-Mar-13 17:19:52

i manage to heat my house on 17 from 5am till 9pm each day

fire on low in lounge 4-5 hrs a day also

it just clicks on and of

3bed detached loads and loads gadgets and appliances,NO tumble dryer though

dont normaly moan about the bill but this year have noticed it

normally pay £120 month for duel fuel and normally in credit every year about £100-200 a year at the end

this year not so and at one point was using £40-£50 a week for duel fuel

will have to seriously cut down once weather gets better

though im central heating my friend that has storage heater can spend up tp £60-70 a week but she has 6 dcs and a dryer and immersion so uses more electric and her hose is still cold

MewlingQuim Tue 26-Mar-13 17:23:24

My house is usually 18-20C but my DM is always moaning that its too cold so I put the heating on if guests are coming. Sometimes they say isn't it warm in here and I turn it off though! Better that way than making them sit in their coats shivering.

TheYamiOfYolk Tue 26-Mar-13 17:26:09

We have the heating on for a couple of hours in the morning and evening, but if it is cold (like now), I put it on when we are st home. The thermostat is set to 15 degrees, so it is not wildly extravagant.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Tue 26-Mar-13 17:26:29

I think that if people are commenting, then your house is too cold. By all means keep it cool when you are just family at home, but if you have guests then it would be polite and hospitable to warm it up.

My parents house was draughty and big and we always needed layers on at home as well as the heating being on.
I really hate being bundled up, so we keep our house at a nice 20-22 all winter. The heating is on every day, controlled by the thermostat.

I don't think our house is particularly well insulated, although we do have double glazing. Our gas bill is only around £60 a month, and our hob is gas also so that isn't just the heating and hot water.

badguider Tue 26-Mar-13 17:27:19

We keep ours around 19/20deg. I find if it drops below 18 it's fine if you're doing housework but freezing for the hands if you're working at the computer (i work from home) whatever you wear on your body and i'm not wearing gloves in my own home. We let it drop much lower overnight though and like a cold room for sleeping.

mrsjay Tue 26-Mar-13 17:29:07

put your heating on when people come round Id hate a freezing cold house yabu

Astley Tue 26-Mar-13 17:37:39

If people are actually commenting it must be very cold tbh.

I'm not sure I'd like the idea of my DC playing at a house that was very cold.

angeltattoo Tue 26-Mar-13 18:07:42

I hate cold houses - fair enough if you can't afford it, but my PIl can and their house is chuffing freezing. They have obviously noticed how cold I get and my coat and now my FIL makes a show and dance about putting the heating on if I visit, then commenting every ten seconds minutes the next day about how warm the house was yesterday.

We didn't have much growing up, but our house was always warm in the mornings and evenings when we were kids, and still is, my mum used to hate visiting her parents and my aunty whose houses were always freezing.

Not sure if YUBU as really, you should have your house how you are happy and comfortable with it, but to answer your other question, my trigger point for having the heating on is usually October - April/May!!!

Permanentlyexhausted Tue 26-Mar-13 18:45:36

We tend to have our heating on at 15 for a few hours each evening and if it is a cold snap like it is at present I'll put it on for an hour or so when I get up in the morning. If I'm sitting still I'll need a blanket but otherwise its fine. Our house is well insulated though and certainly not draughty.

whois Tue 26-Mar-13 18:51:25

Totally depends what you are doing in the house too.

Cleaning, cooking, being busy moving about then 18 can feel pretty warm.

Sitting watching TV and 18 feels pretty cold.

OP, chuck the heating on when you have guests. I HATED going to one of my friends houses as a kid because it was always so cold and felt really inhospitable.

Samu2 Tue 26-Mar-13 18:58:30

My heating is on 24/7 at 18.

I hate cold and I hate wearing layers so the heating keeps on.

I went to my friends the other evening and texted her two hours before to ask her to put her heating on as her house is too cold grin

MrsKoala Tue 26-Mar-13 19:03:04

Since November we have had our heating on 24 hours a day. i have a baby and it gets so cold if we turn it off - about 15, which is too low for us. We have all the Rads set on number 3. Atm the 2 rads in the downstairs room are on 4 and i have 2 jumpers, a thick fleece on, thick jeans and long thermal socks.

i refuse to go to visit cold houses. Pils house is freezing, with no heating, only gas fires in the sitting room, and i am considering cancelling our Easter visit. i will take a fan heater but they will pull a face and harp on about their electricity bill (they are loaded btw but refuse to have lights on or use the oven).

bluer Tue 26-Mar-13 19:12:30

I think it doesn't take much more energy to have heating on all day as it clicks on and off and maintains the great but if you put it on a few hours you need to start from cold and the boiler works harder. I have measured units for a week with a few hours a day and a week on 24hrs a day, when we were away during a cold snap, and there's hardly anything in it.
I will say that I don't like a roasting house...a friend of mine used to have it at 25 our so and wear a vest top! ! I'm more an 18 degrees girl. Plus even at this time of year our bedroom window is open all night...something I'll have to change when our baby arrives.

zukiecat Tue 26-Mar-13 19:16:20

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MrsKoala Tue 26-Mar-13 19:19:41

sad Zukie - how do you survive? do you have special clothes? I don't think i could sleep if it was that cold.

DENMAN03 Tue 26-Mar-13 19:21:34

I have mine on all day (have sphynx cats so they would freeze otherwise!), even though I am at work. I turn it down to 21 at night. My house is lovely and toasty! I hate being cold and really feel it. I was also brought up in a cold house and hated it!

DENMAN03 Tue 26-Mar-13 19:22:00

Meant to say at 23 degrees in the day.

WorraLiberty Tue 26-Mar-13 19:26:22

I've just had a new boiler fitted today, having spent almost a month without one.

The heating's on 20 now and I feel like I'm in Barbados grin

In fact, I just keep turning the hot taps on and off again...and staring at this wonder that is hot water.

I don't think I ever want to see a pot/pan/kettle and a plastic bowl again.

And my Dad will be pleased at the 4 of us not constantly turning up at his door, laden with towels and soap grin

Coconutty Tue 26-Mar-13 19:27:27

I hate being cold, honestly can not bear it. If you have guests, turn the heating on. Your house must be bloody freezing for them to mention it.

expatinscotland Tue 26-Mar-13 19:29:19

'YABU. DD won't visit one of her friends anymore due to the lack of heating and the forced jollity of the friends mum who like to be competetively cold grin
She sometimes goes on about how they don't have their heating on to 'toughen up' the dc's hmm and her dh is one of those muppets who likes to make a statement and reach for the shorts when the snow starts.

I just don't geddit! '

YY. Competitve cold, when you can afford it. Stoopid.

cleangreens Tue 26-Mar-13 19:42:26

I have total sympathy for anybody who can't afford to have the heating on - Zukie I really feel for you sad.

We have an Aga and the heating is on all day although I do control the radiators with thermostats which are off during the day. We have two sitting rooms and I never put the one furthest away from the kitchen on at all.

I hate visiting people with cold houses if you know they are just doing the 'oh we don't mind the cold' smug crap - competitive cold yy and utterly mental confused.

Meglet Tue 26-Mar-13 19:43:24

I try and avoid cold houses TBH. I even got out of Xmas day at a relatives partly because their house is always so cold and they've been asked to turn it up before. I hate the cold, I go into myself and want to hibernate.

I hate houses that are hot but we have ours set to 20C and that usually means 2 layers of clothing in this sort of weather. Below 20C we start to feel cold and think about a 3rd layer or a blanket if we are just sitting around.

I was cold most of my childhood too - houses back then weren't as insulated as they are now and this sort of weather there would be ice on the inside of the windows. I can't bear it when we come back from a week away with the PIL in Feb and the house is freezing for a whole day even with the heating on all the time. It is amazing what a week of no heating does to a house. It is so inhospitable. If your house is like that all the time OP I am not surprised people are complaining.

We too have a dodgy boiler that breaks down regularly (the last time on Christmas day) but we intend to get it changed this year. As it is, it is expensive to run especially with the cost of repairs on top. It is a bit of a false economy to keep patching it up in the long term.

Can I just also add that I hate cold houses where the heating is on but for the sake of 'ventilation' people leave a window open, usually the bathroom. What kind of madness is that especially when they sit in their own sitting room swaddled in blankets to stay warm. Just shut the window.

frogwatcher1 Tue 26-Mar-13 19:51:37

I have terrible memories of being cold upstairs in our old farmhouse growing up. I didn't realise how miserable I was until after I had left home (didn't know any better I suppose) but now, looking back, realise it was horrible. We had an aga on all the time in the living room and one in the kitchen but no other heating - the living and kitchen were toasty - everywhere else awful.

I think 20 or 21 is comfortably cold. If guests are coming I light a log fire as well as heating. Nothing worse than visiting a cold house - I (and dc) avoid lots of friends houses in winter as they feel so cold and miserable!

TippiShagpile Tue 26-Mar-13 19:52:41

We have oil and have just had to shell out well over £1000 to fill our tank. sad I try not to put the heating on until 1 November and usually turn it off when the clocks change (ie next weekend - eek). When the heating is on we have it on for an hour in the morning and 2 hours at night.
We love hot water bottles in this house.

Varya Tue 26-Mar-13 19:57:58

Cant afford constant price increases, so run it at 16 degrees and wrap up well hoping for better weather soon. Now we are being told gas is going up yet again they must think our pockets are lined with gold.

poppypebble Tue 26-Mar-13 19:59:13

I don't put the heating on until late November, and never until the evening. Generally it is on from 6-10pm and then off.

We are just fairly warm blooded I think. Most people I know are similar though, must be us Northerners. I do remember going to London in late Feb once and sitting outside a cafe having a cold drink whilst people were walking past dressed in coats/scarves/gloves.

zukiecat Tue 26-Mar-13 20:06:29

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Wallison Tue 26-Mar-13 20:07:19

I also grew up in a house with inadequate heating and hate being cold now, so it's not as though you get used to it or whatever - I think you're either the kind of person who doesn't mind cold or you are aren't. Me, I mind the cold.

Am interested to learn about these people who cannot afford to heat their houses but can afford internet connections though.

Wallison Tue 26-Mar-13 20:09:51

Oh yes and I am a Northerner, but I still hate being cold, so it's not that.

My mum is the opposite - even when it's fucking -2 outside she'll still have a window open, which to me is bloody madness.

Startail Tue 26-Mar-13 20:11:28

Are you the reincarnation of my DMIL?

I loved her dearly, but DH and I used to have jumpers we kept specially for visiting her.

DHs family home was a daft open plan old stone house that would have cost a fortune to heat all of, but some warmth in kitchen and bedrooms would have been nice.

SoMuchToBits Tue 26-Mar-13 20:16:15

I hate being cold, and really feel the cold. 18 degrees to me is the sort of weather I would still be wearing a fleece jacket on top of other clothes, not sitting indoors in it. It has to be at least 23 degrees before I feel remotely warm in a t shirt and cotton skirt.

If I was moving around a lot that might be different, but not if sitting down. And if I add loads of layers I find it hard to move, and even then my feet would be cold. I usually wear socks/tights and slippers indoors in the winter, but unless it's about 22 degrees or above, my feet turn to ice.

If I was going to a cold house, I would want to know in advance so I could put extra layers on, and even then I would probably still be cold (at least in my feet). I think if you are having visitors you should maybe put the heating on for a bit while they are there. What you do when you are on your own is up to you though!

Bunbaker Tue 26-Mar-13 20:18:22

"What's a normal "trigger" threshold for putting the heating on?"

There isn't one. Everyone is different. I feel the cold and always have done and wear extra layers when visiting friends who don't heat their houses to what I consider a comfortable temperature (we have our thermostat set at 17 degrees). I also try to avoid visiting them when the weather is particularly cold. There is nothing less welcoming than a freezing cold house.

I admit that I get irritated by people who are smug about not feeling the cold and make disparaging remarks about those of us who do.

simbo Tue 26-Mar-13 20:33:29

This thread has really surprised me. My heating is on 6.15 to 8.00 in the morning, and then from about 3.00 til 10.00pm. I warm the house up for when the dc come home from school (only when it is as cold as now, otherwise it stays off until about 6.00pm). The thermostat is set to 18 degrees. I thought I was being stingy! My dc always complain that our house is colder than those of their friends. Though I am home during the day I just put on another layer rather than the heating. If we are at home over the weekend I do have the heating on more as my dh grumbles otherwise. I know that if he was the one at home he would have it on all of the time even though it costs so much. I don't think that is the only point. We should be mindful of using the limited resources of the planet. I now feel I am being wasteful, so the dc will have to manage and get into their onesies whennthey get in.

TheCatIsUpTheDuff Tue 26-Mar-13 20:38:45

A t-shirt and cotton skirt is summer clothing. It's still winter. If we're appropriately dressed for the time of year and still cold, the heating goes on. Haven't had the bill yet - I doubt we'll be so extravagant next year.

zukiecat Tue 26-Mar-13 20:48:52

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bluer Tue 26-Mar-13 21:02:52

wallison what a rude comment. I'm sure zukie isn't freezing herself voluntarily.

Bunbaker Tue 26-Mar-13 21:02:58

"A t-shirt and cotton skirt is summer clothing. It's still winter. If we're appropriately dressed for the time of year and still cold, the heating goes on"

Yes. I use that criteria as well. It has been so cold round here that the heating has been on all day when we have been in the house. No-one got any medals from being a martyr to the cold.

MisselthwaiteManor Tue 26-Mar-13 21:08:19

I don't think it's a simple choice between heat or Internet. We pay £5 per month for the Internet, that wouldn't last a few hours on the gas unfortunately sad

zukiecat Tue 26-Mar-13 21:09:38

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zukiecat Tue 26-Mar-13 21:11:18

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bluer Tue 26-Mar-13 21:13:39

Fuel poverty is a very real issue and I can't see it getting better...the gov really needs to regulate and control providers a lot more...even a simple tariff check requires a degree in maths to figure out the cheapest deal. Equally the price rises seem to be constant.

Lucyellensmum95 Tue 26-Mar-13 21:18:13

I dont have my heating on during the day because i simply can't afford it and i HATE being cold

pointythings Tue 26-Mar-13 21:18:19

Our is currently at 19C because it is brass monkeys, but usually sits at about 17C in winter. We do turn it up if we have guests who are used to having it warmer, my DH's cousin has fibromyalgia so really needs it toasty - we just adapt. and swelter

It does depend on what you're used to, but you need to be hospitable if you can afford it.

shushpenfold Tue 26-Mar-13 21:21:10

We live in an ancient thatch and even with the heating on, thermals, 2 more layers and a duvet when sitting, we're still cold! I'm beginning to wonder if it's warmer in the shed! I would expect to have to tell guests to bring extra clothing if I were in your shoes.

Zukiecat are you my twin

Our flat is cold draughty. We even got a open vent to the outside downstairs that we are not allowed to cover up
( frontdoor on street small square area with stairs then our flat iuswim ) We were told by counicl we could get cavity walling put in but as we live above shops. The counicl now wont let us have it as they say the shops to busy ( reckon as does tge concrater that beacause shops are private and woyld benfit from it counicl wont do it.

We have raditors but are never on ( was on for 60 mins or so on friday) last time before that was xmas week cant afford heating if we could i would have heating on.
We have a duvet in lounge and wear up to 3 layers of clothing dp wear tights under jeans to get warm for work but also on weekends if not working. I wear sonetimes fingerless gloves and wolly hat and scarf in the evenings.

At the min I can see my breathe. I dont like it but so used it now. We get some people saying house cold but most of our friends are in the same boat.

BooCanary Tue 26-Mar-13 21:32:28

Our heating comes on when necessary to keep temp at 18deg first thing and evening, and 17deg for after school.

DH spent his whole childhood in a drafty house with no CH, and doesn't feel the cold at all. When my parents visit we crank heating up to 21c as disabled DM needs to be warm. DH absolutely melts!

BooCanary Tue 26-Mar-13 21:35:36

Our heating comes on when necessary to keep temp at 18deg first thing and evening, and 17deg for after school.

DH spent his whole childhood in a drafty house with no CH, and doesn't feel the cold at all. When my parents visit we crank heating up to 21c as disabled DM needs to be warm. DH absolutely melts!

blondefriend Tue 26-Mar-13 21:42:30

We have our heating on for 2 hours in the morning and 4/5 in the evening even at weekends. The bedrooms can get quite cold (15oC) but we have an open fire in the living room so we all congregate in there. Once in bed duvets keep you warm.

BTW if a guest comes over and moans that the house is cold then they're being quite rude (unless old/disabled). I wouldn't dream of doing that in someones house. I would just take a jumper next time I went over.

Bunbaker Tue 26-Mar-13 21:49:23

"BTW if a guest comes over and moans that the house is cold then they're being quite rude"

And it isn't rude to make a guest feel cold just because you don't want to heat your house?

TreadOnTheCracks Tue 26-Mar-13 21:59:30

Drafty old house here, everyone has a drawful of thermals, fleeces, thick socks. Hot water bottles. Keep doors shut.

My threshold is if my fingers are so cold I can't type properly. I'll usually light the wood burner and just heat the front room where I am.

I have to admit though I do turn the heating on if the children are having friends round and if we are having friends round I warm the house all day long and have a roaring fire.

The heating comes on for 2 hours in the morning and 4 hours in the evening.

TreadOnTheCracks Tue 26-Mar-13 22:01:03

Some of my friends don't take their coat off when they come in - I'm will pop heating on then, I have also noticed a few friends wear thick fleeces round and hog the fire side

curryeater Tue 26-Mar-13 22:02:05

But if you can't afford to put the heating on, you can't, whether your friends are there or not. If it costs you £20 to heat your house for a day (it might, sadly £600 pm fuel bills are not unheard of, we had one and hardly ever have the heating on now), and you put it on because someone comes over, that is the equivalent of deciding you can't have anyone over unless you can afford to open champagne. Is this rude? I don't think it is rude to offer tea and cake in the afternoon - which costs about £2 - but is it?

curryeater Tue 26-Mar-13 22:03:26

I have worked from home here some days in 2 and 3 degrees centigrade. I have very short fingers so I put on some of dc1's gloves because I can type in them - she is 3.
I don't like it, but what can you do?

apostropheuse Tue 26-Mar-13 22:16:33

I have my heating on 24/7. I grew up living in a house with ice inside the windows. The only room that was heated was the living room - a coal fire.

I still remember how miserable it was and will not suffer that again if I can afford not to.

I think YANBU if you can't afford it, but if you can YABU.

I don't blame my parents in the least for our cold house as they were doing their best and lived within their means. However, if they could have afforded to do more and chose not to I would be pretty pissed off now looking back as an adult.

Coffeenowplease Tue 26-Mar-13 22:26:33

Ive only been putting mine of for a little bit when its below zero outside. Like now. I had it on earlier for half an hour then again before dinner for half an hour. I cant really afford more than that really atm but even when I was working I never used it.

I was out all day and cook in the evening which heats the living room and kitchen so I didnt need it. Unless I could see my breath then I might pop it on for a bit but only one radiator. (ours is all electric)

ShatnersBassoon Tue 26-Mar-13 22:36:27

If you could see your breath you might put the heating on? Wow.

Plomino Tue 26-Mar-13 22:43:45

We are on oil here , and if we kept the heating on anything above 18 degrees permanently, we might just as well burn the pound notes themselves . It sits at 17 , which is enough to be comfortable in appropriately seasonable clothing , and then in the evenings we have a huge 24kw woodburner , which is very efficient and kicks enough heat out to top up the rest of the house till bedtime, and if we bank it with some coal , lasts long enough for there to be some residual heat left for the morning .

That said , when I have my mum and brother here , I do tend to turn it up to about 21 , which seems to make them comfortable , especially since we had to have the double glazing replaced . Even if I am gritting my teeth and going outside to look at the oil gauge every morning .

Coffeenowplease Tue 26-Mar-13 22:45:02

Surprisingly it doesnt happen very often. Flat is well insulated. Hence why I hardly ever put it on.
Ive been using it more recently as Ive been home all day. But only for a couple of hours a day or so. I have blankets and hot water bottle if i get cold. If im still cold then yes it does go on. It also warms up very fast as its a small flat which is another plus.

Shatnersbassoon in the eveings I always see my breathe. When I was married my ex hated putting the heating on and would shout at me if I asked, me and kids got used to it. If dc went to vist my parents they would get sore thoarts and headachs

Coffeenowplease Tue 26-Mar-13 22:46:50

Saying that I lived in a house once where we did have the heating on and it was still colder than my flat now without heating. I used to wear a hat and scarf in bed. Large drafty house with poor insulation.

Coffeenowplease Tue 26-Mar-13 22:47:59

Also heating and being too warm really sets off my eczema so I really do prefer without and with more blankets.

The first Christmas after I met my now-DH, we and my dc went to his parents' house for the holiday. Dc and I had been there before, but in warmer weather. How surprised was I to find that their regular everyday thermostat setting was 55F/12C??? I was in a shirt, sweater, jeans, two pair of socks and still curled up in a blanket. I mean, yes, they have a biggish house, but trust, they have no difficulty affording heating.

Fortunately after DH and I made a midnight Walmart run to get the kids some thick winter footie pajamas, FIL made MIL turn up the thermo to 66. Felt like a frickin' Caribbean island compared to what it had been.

We have ours on a timer so it comes on about 15 mins before we get up and goes off about 90mins later and then in the evening it comes on about 6.30 - 10.
We are all out during the day but weekends if its cold we'll flick it to on to warm the room and then back to timed again.

We are on a meter though so have to be careful to keep it topped up - nothing worse than going to run a hot bath in the morning and finding the gas has run out and the water is freezing!

Toasttoppers Wed 27-Mar-13 08:27:56

I'm ok with the thermostat at 16/17, DH wants it at almost 20. He has never lived anywhere without central hearing, I didn't live in a centrally heated house till I was 19. I was chatting to his Mum and she thinks he can't cope because he has never lived in a cold house.

I resent the fuel bills so turn it off when everyone is out and just stick more layers on.

Hulababy Wed 27-Mar-13 08:38:27

I like a warm house. I feel the cold, and that's despite growing up without central hearing, etc. I also get being bundled up lots of layers. I prefer to be able to just have a t shirt and no socks.

We have a 3 storey new build and it's naturally warm. If thermostat is set to 16/17 the house is toasty warm. The ground floor is cool, but there isn't much down there really. But the living room and bedrooms are lovely. Any higher and it is too hot .

But this week I'm off I'll with a really nasty chest infection and been in bed and/or PJs for the most part. Just about starting to feel a bit better. I've had heating on morning til night as if it goes off its freezing!

Hulababy Wed 27-Mar-13 08:40:34

I feel fortunate to be financially ok to be able to do this though. I know for some people it can be a struggle to keep the house warm.

But also for some other people they just don't feel the cold. My dad never has. Don't think he's ever really owned a big thick winter coat or gloves as he just doesn't feel it.

Bunbaker Wed 27-Mar-13 08:45:59

I remember the days of living in a house with no central heating, being cold all winter, huddling round the gas fire and not daring to have it on high because of the cost, wearing several layers to bed, waking up to ice on the entire inside of the window. I can assure you I never "got used to it".

I sympathise with those of you who can't afford to keep warm. It is so dispiriting and depressing. I envy those of you who can function well in low temperatures.

Beksybob Wed 27-Mar-13 08:51:22

I don't think my house would ever reach 18 even if the heating was on constantly all winter. We have it on in the morning and the evening and it gets to about 14. Got a fire in the living room though, so it can get to 20 in there if you're really cranking it.

samandi Wed 27-Mar-13 08:54:09

Hm, your house does sound quite cold. I don't tend to put the heating on as much as other people either, but I like to keep things comfortable. If you're having guests, their comfort should be the priority.

I do think some people put the heating on too much though. It's not necessary to have it on all day (and all night) as some people do.

jchocchip Wed 27-Mar-13 08:59:21

We have a woodburner in the living room and are trying to turn the central heating down. Some parts of the house are colder than others but we don't usually need to wear thermals... just jumpers!

Lucyellensmum95 Wed 27-Mar-13 09:29:32

We have a log burner too - i love love LOVE it! We have had it for years and it was absolutely the best thing we have ever bought. We would freeze if it wasn't for this - i even phoned british gas the other week to question why, when we weren't even having the heating on for more than about 3 hours at the very lowest setting (so not worth having on really) was costing us £5 a day - i got a very rude woman on the end of the phone telling me "what do you expect? Things are very expensive these days" patronising cow - i was genuinely concerned there is a problem with our meter - but i daren't get it checked out as the woman took great delight in telling me "we get requests to check meters all the time because of this, if it turns out that there is no fault we will charge you to make the check hmm - do you want it done? No? oh, i didn't think so" i had the Rage!! So now we use the log burner most of the time and it feels like a big V sign to british bastard gas. I bet their managing directors are sitting in a toasty warm board room when they are casually discussing their next price increase.

Tell Sid?? Ere, Sid - they are cunts, don't listen to them!!

Crinkle77 Wed 27-Mar-13 09:43:34

OP I think you are my sister. Ha ha. Her house is always cold but they never seem to feel it. I avoid going round cos it is miserable as I have to sit huddled under a blanket and the tip of my nose is freezing. Even when the heating is on it's still cold. One of my niece's friends even commented about it being cold. They played on the wii to warm up

Messandmayhem Wed 27-Mar-13 09:44:27

I've never heated my house, but I think the lowest it has got to in the kids bedrooms is 11degrees. I have a small convection heater that we pop on to warm the sitting room up, it gets quite toasty quite quickly, the rest of the house is unheated. We all entirely electric (complete with tumble drier) and our quarterly bills usually come in around £200.

Messandmayhem Wed 27-Mar-13 09:52:47

So no, YANBU, this heating the house to 28degrees nonsense is quite a recent phenomenon, when I was a kid you wore a jumper if you were cold, and wooly tights under your trousers, and I'm only in my twenties! I hate visiting people who heat their houses to ridiculous temperatures, I'm always too hot and feel faint.

cleangreens Wed 27-Mar-13 11:05:06

I think it's hilarious to think you would be warm and toasty in these temperatures with just an extra jumper and woolly tights on! Fgs it is regularly going down well below freezing at night and barely above during the day.

I have a pair of skinny jeans on today with thermal long johns, two pairs of socks, thermal vest, a top, a jumper and big thick long jumper and a scarf on. My house is pretty warm but most people's standards (oil fired CH and 20kw woodburning stove) and I feel warm now.

I cannot bear being cold, it makes me ache with being stiff, the way you sit when you are frozen. Anyhow you can't sit under blankets all day, what about when you need to do stuff?

Messandmayhem, do you have many visitors grin?!

NicknameTaken Wed 27-Mar-13 11:36:33

I'm very tight with the heating. There's a gas fire in the sitting-room, so we keep that room warm (and that's where visitors sit anyway). Then when it's bedtime, we grab the hot water bottle and leap into bed.

I have actually taken it too far, because the house (private rented) is showing some signs of damp, so I'm putting the central heating on a bit more now.

Helltotheno Wed 27-Mar-13 11:58:19

I really feel for those of you who can't afford heating, it's so so miserable. Our house was cold growing up but I don't think I really noticed it til I lived abroad for a while in an apartment that was heated to the same temp all the time, all over, then I found the house I grew up in unbearable when I came back and still do. I have having to 'manage' cold. With my mum, it's constant discussions about the cold and when the heat should go on and for how long blah blah. Just turn it on and leave it on already! Especially since she can afford it...

In our house, over the years, any spare cash we had, we put into things to improve the heat situation, ie insulation, new boiler, stove etc and that's made a huge difference. It's not too hot, not too cold now.

I think if you have to walk round your house in more than two layers, it's too cold and if you can afford to, just use the heat. If you can't, you have my sympathy, that's really tough sad

Messandmayhem Wed 27-Mar-13 13:33:21

cleangreens i am not wearing extra layers ATM, but I think my area is doing much better than many areas right now, we don't have feet and feet of snow, just the occasional sprinkle. It's bitterly cold though. I don't have enough clothes to wear extra layers tbh, and I couldn't afford to put the heating on.
No visitors have complained of being cold, but I don't invite people round anyway.

Bunbaker Wed 27-Mar-13 15:18:53

The temperatures where we live have been hovering around the freezing mark nearly all March. Not putting the heating on at all is not an option. Besides I don't want the pipes to freeze.

chris481 Wed 27-Mar-13 15:46:35

You all need better-insulated homes.Some people here are setting their central heating at a temperature my flat maintains even when the heating is off.

My central heating broke down one evening in winter a few years ago, when there was snow on the ground. The next day at midday, by listening for the click on the thermostat, I assessed the temperature at 15 degrees.

Bunbaker Wed 27-Mar-13 17:04:27

But the clue is the word "flat". Our house is really well insulated, but it is a detached house and therefore has four outside walls and a roof. I can tell that our house is better insulated than others because we still have snow on our roof when others haven't.

bluer Wed 27-Mar-13 17:07:29

That's true...I had a flat with no heating system. I had a oil radiator at the bottom of the internal stair and that was all I needed. The old dear down below liked it tropical and heat def rises. Our house is detached and if the heating isn't on out would be colder then that. We have proper insulation as well.

cantspel Wed 27-Mar-13 17:11:14

I paid a fortune last year to have 3 bedrooms stripped back and modern insulation put in. It does make a difference but it wasn't cheap to do. My heating bills are hight but i have no choice i need to keep the place warm and anything under 21 is not warm enough. My last quarters bill was nearly £800 for gas and electric and i am expecting similar next month.

We can just about afford it but only by cutting back in other areas. I would hate to be in a position i couldn't afford to heat my home and cant understand anyone who has the money but would rather sit huddled under a duvet than turn the heating on.

bluer Wed 27-Mar-13 17:15:34

Is that a timber frame house can't? We can't get cavity as we're timber and my dad suggested putting a layer under the plaster.

LieInsAreRarerThanTigers Wed 27-Mar-13 17:20:42

We are usually set to 18 but bump it up a notch or put the gas fire on if my mum comes round, or the babysitter on a cold evening. Timer on for 2 hours in the morning and 4:30-10:30 in the evening, fleece blankets available for watching TV.

Recently have had Italian students staying in much colder weather than before and had to admit it was a bit chilly - still refused to put heating on overnight as requested by one lot though!

People I know who keep their houses hot have more colds and bugs than us - could there be a connection?

Also I am green, not just mean...I will turn it up a bit when I get my solar thermal system installed!

cantspel Wed 27-Mar-13 17:21:01

No it is a 1960,s chalet style so in effect the upstairs bedrooms are in the roof space. We had the pasterboard ripped out and the rooms rebuilt with kingspan.

bluer Wed 27-Mar-13 17:22:39

Ours is about that age but there's no insulation in the walls! Its still pretty toasty even without!

Bunbaker Wed 27-Mar-13 17:24:45

"and cant understand anyone who has the money but would rather sit huddled under a duvet than turn the heating on."

Neither can I

"People I know who keep their houses hot have more colds and bugs than us - could there be a connection?"

I keep seeing this on mn, but don't agree. I get one cold about every two years and like a warm house. OH hardly gets any colds, and DD gets far fewer colds than one of her friends who lives in a fridge very cold house. In fact her entire family are always getting colds.

LieInsAreRarerThanTigers Wed 27-Mar-13 17:28:47

Bunbaker, maybe some of the people who can afford it but choose not to are concerned about climate change? Or they could afford it if they went without something else which they would prefer?

I am trying to make my house as cheap to run and eco-friendly as possible - investing in solar panels (done) and solar heating (next on list) will cut my bills from around £250 a qtr (spread over the year) to about £50. But I need to save up!

Wallison Wed 27-Mar-13 19:18:15

You charge people to stay at your house and then don't heat it properly? Blimey.

expatinscotland Wed 27-Mar-13 19:41:20

"People I know who keep their houses hot have more colds and bugs than us - could there be a connection?"

Huge amount of research from Scandinavia which proves that is complete, outdated tosh.

If you're worried about climate change then campaign to get energy-wasting, damp old homes torn down and replaced with better-constructed, more-energy efficient homes.

rosieposey Wed 27-Mar-13 20:11:31

This is a thread close to my heart. We rented a lovely large cottage in October that we intended to buy. It had been on the market for 2 years and hadn't sold (probably through lack of parking space) and when it came up for rent we put our 5 bed new build detached on the market and moved in to our 'dream' cottage.

Fast forward 5 months and we have moved back into our new build - we were getting 400 pcm fuel bills and decided that it was just too much and that we couldn't afford to pay especially through a long winter. It cost us alot of money in rent and mortgage but i am glad that we tried before we bought because i have never been colder than we were in the last month in that house (we went without heating as i refused to pay any more £400 bills) I could not wait to get back to our (albeit characterless) but warm new build.

Its put me right off living in an old cottage, there is alot to be said for insulation and the cost of new builds in terms of heating (we pay 175 dual fuel here per month) I would have loved a cottage and we really were going to buy it but the running costs were just too much.

I had DC5 in November and hated how cold our bedroom was (the central heating was ineffective upstairs and the downstairs was open plan and massive) I just dont want to be cold and i really feel for those on this thread that cannot afford to put their heating on - we did that for one month and it put me off buying that place.

IsaacCox Wed 27-Mar-13 20:16:18

I hate being the tiniest bit cold and I ashamedly hardly ever will just put a jumper/another layer on. I put the heating on (usually around 20-24c) when I come down in the morning, so about 7 am and it stays on until we go to bed at about 11 (I'm usually in all day). It's only ever off if we get too hot.

starfishmummy Wed 27-Mar-13 20:26:27

I would leave it as it is but just have a big pile of nice warm fleece jackets or similar for visitors to wear.

Wallison Wed 27-Mar-13 20:35:28

I would be embarrassed at having to offer a fleece jacket to someone who was INSIDE MY HOUSE. Just put the heating on and don't be so tight.

cleangreens Wed 27-Mar-13 22:23:08

Pile of fleeces??? If you can afford it put the flippin heating on, very unwelcoming.

Alibabaandthe40nappies Wed 27-Mar-13 22:36:39

Nickname I'm glad you've put the heating on after seeing damp hmm I would be furious if you were my tenant and didn't keep the place warm enough to keep damp at bay.

hmm at fleeces.

I've never encountered the attitude you find on here in RL, this competitive lack of heating.

HollyBerryBush Wed 27-Mar-13 22:45:37

They were talking about cold and heating on the radio this morning - 18-21 degrees is healthy, above or below that and it is an unhealthy temperature.

I cant work in those sort of degrees, my house is always 64.8, which google now tells me is 18 degrees! But Im a fresh air freak - windows are always wide open.

shesariver Wed 27-Mar-13 22:50:28

Me and DH fight all the time, as he feels the cold more than I do and I would sleep with my bedroom window open all year round given half a chance. We have the thermostat at 20 which seems to be the minimum because if we turn it down the heating "clicks off" and wont work.

shesariver Wed 27-Mar-13 22:51:25

Me to Holly, hate feeling stuffy.

Viviennemary Wed 27-Mar-13 22:58:01

I grew up in a very warm house so I really feel the cold if other people turn the heating down. I think it's a bit rude not to turn heating up if your guests are cold.

Awomansworth Wed 27-Mar-13 23:00:22

Our is on 24/7, but thermostate set to 17.5, so boilers fires up on and off all day. House is very comfortable. We only have oil fired central heating (no gas supply) and it's so expensive, but our house feels too cold without any heating on.

piprabbit Wed 27-Mar-13 23:00:52

FSID recommend that the ideal temp for babies is 18 degrees (or the range 16 - 20 degrees). I feel that if that is warm enough for a newborn, then it is warm enough for me.

charlieandlola Thu 28-Mar-13 00:02:11

My fat keeps me warm, thankfully, so have the heating on from 6.30am to ..8am and then 5pm to 9pm. Thermostat is set to 17, but turn it to 15 once dc are in bed at 7.30pm

Beksybob Thu 28-Mar-13 14:04:40

That 16-20 for babies, is that even at night? So are you supposed to keep the heating on all night long?

pollypandemonium Thu 28-Mar-13 14:09:47

You can look online at your gas usage and compare it to other similar properties in your area to see what other people use.

I think it's about what your values are - consider how much it costs to have the heating on all day - £2 maybe less? Then consider whether you can afford that and whether it's worth it in terms of keeping visitors comfortable.

MrsKoala Thu 28-Mar-13 14:33:21

Beksy - since we had DS we have had the heating on 24/7 to maintain the 16-20 in our bedroom. Otherwise it was far too cold for him, his little face and hands were almost blue one night i turned it off sad

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Thu 28-Mar-13 14:38:29

I grew up in a no-heating type of house and had ice on the inside of the windows every morning. I made a new friend when I was about 13 and stayed at her house one night...I can STILL remember the shocking luxury of the heating on all night...the warmth of the radiators and the comfort of her bedroom.

I hadn't realised before...but now...my heating is on ALL the time. I can't go back to that frosty, hard, uncomfortable place.

Bunbaker Fri 29-Mar-13 07:33:00

LieInsAreRarerThanTigers We have solar panels.

"there is alot to be said for insulation and the cost of new builds in terms of heating"

Definitely. Our last house was 200 years old and cost a fortune to keep warm. Our current house (4 bed detached) is less than 20 years old and our monthly combined fuel bill is about £100 before the FIT payments.

"I've never encountered the attitude you find on here in RL, this competitive lack of heating."

I agree. There is a sense of moral superiority coming across. It reminds me of Monty Python's Four Yorkshiremen sketch grin

soverylucky Fri 29-Mar-13 09:06:04

I had the man round to do the cavity wall insulation survey - they can't do it because of the construction of the house. Another man came round to see about insulating our loft - can't do it because of the dangerous position of the access. Our house with heating on full whack has been freezing this past week. I have been wearing thermals, jumpers, fleece and sat in lounge with my blanket over me. It has been horrible. My house is very cold and inefficient but there is nothing I can do about it.
I do get annoyed when I go to MIL's and she has the heating on really high and is walking around in a t-shirt and jeans with bare feet but for some of us we are doing all we can and it is just unavoidable to have the heating on. I am so grateful that I can afford to do this.

Helltotheno Fri 29-Mar-13 11:01:38

soverylucky poor you sad The option of external insulation is open to you probably, but it's very ££.
What about a stove? Not too spendy if you get a small one in... even dinky ones give out really cosy heat and are well worth the investment in my opinion.

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