...to think that LinkedIn isn't so mum-friendly?

(189 Posts)
semi Sun 24-Mar-13 22:07:07

I am a working mum with quite a few professional contacts on Linkedin and have found that most self-employed women/mumpreneurs I've spotted in the press haven't got a Linkedin profile. What's that all about? Don't virtual networks well lend themselves to busy mums? Or is it that we just don't like to share what we are up to? Talk about our successes/achievements?

Tee2072 Sun 24-Mar-13 22:09:13

Linked in is for professional networks. I have no idea what being a mum has to do with that.

YABVVVVVVU to use the word 'mumpreneture' or whatever the fucking stupid twee annoying and idiotic made up word is.

fiorentina Sun 24-Mar-13 22:10:03

I know quite a few mums on LinkedIn. I think it is very useful professionally but maybe not for all industries perhaps they use different channels to connect?

catinboots Sun 24-Mar-13 22:11:24

ARF at mumpreneur.

Linked In is for professionals as Tee said ^ there

Not bored mummies trying to make pin money from baking cupcakes and knitting jumpers for boiled eggs

I didn't have a profile before DD, don't have one now. I really don't see what my ovaries and what they do have to do with LinkedIn...

EuroShaggleton Sun 24-Mar-13 22:11:46

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OhDearieDearieMe Sun 24-Mar-13 22:13:27

Seriously grin grin grin @ 'mumpreneurs'. What in the name of all that is holy is one of them?

redskyatnight Sun 24-Mar-13 22:13:52

I know many working people. some are employed by a company, some are self employed. some are mothers, some are fathers and some have no children.
Some are on linked in and some aren't
I'm not sure I could come up with any connection between the ones that aren't.

OddBoots Sun 24-Mar-13 22:13:58

I have a LinkedIn and I don't remember feeling in any way unwelcome because I happen to be a mum, I don't recall there being a vetting process of any kind but it's been a while since I signed up so maybe I've forgotten.

Oreocrumbs Sun 24-Mar-13 22:14:55

I'm on linked in, but I can't say I gave my DD a moments thought when I joined. It is for work not parent stuff.

I don't understand your point.

ThreeMenFromCarntyne Sun 24-Mar-13 22:16:21

I am on Linked In. i am also a professional, have I just dissed the theory?

FadBook Sun 24-Mar-13 22:17:39

Linkedin isn't popular with all industries and job roles.

I'm a mum. I work (albeit, now part time since DD) and I run a small consultancy business. I use Linkedin to network with peers and past colleagues. It's useful for my industry and for the job I'm in now. It has nothing to do with me being a mum.

Tee2072 Sun 24-Mar-13 22:17:39

BTW, I'm a mom and an entrepreneur. I have a LinkedIn profile for the latter part. I have Facebook and MN for the former.

LadyWidmerpool Sun 24-Mar-13 22:20:11

I'm a mum and I use it. There's nothing mum-unfriendly about it and I have a fair few self-employed/freelance people as contacts. I don't identify as a mum in my working life particularly. Non-mums can be busy too.

INeedThatForkOff Sun 24-Mar-13 22:21:38

I know mums in different kinds if self-employment, if that's what you mean by 'mumpreneur' (actually the one and only person I know who uses this cringey title in RL is an exception to the rule I'm about to describe as she uses LinkedIn, FB and Twitter).

LinkedIn tends to be used by those like myself who are promoting their professional skills (tuition, law, PR etc).

FB seems to be favoured by those using their creative skills (dressmaking, accessories, cake decorating etc).

The one I mentioned above works in a creative role linked with her professional field, and annoyingly makes frequent reference to her PhD.

Maybe if they are in the press they don't want to be inundated with connection requests from strangers.

montmartre Sun 24-Mar-13 22:26:35

Y'know, I don't think there is enough discussion about this, and other such issues mumpreneurs face. Have you thought about blogging about it?

jumpingjackhash Sun 24-Mar-13 22:28:54

As just about everyone else has said, Linked In is a place for professionals to connect in a business sense. Not sure why it should be 'mum-friendly'?

grin

I'm on Linked In
I'm a 'mumpreneur' I suppose, in that I run my own business
I'm on Facebook
I'm on Twitter

So bloody what?!

SheepNoisesOff Sun 24-Mar-13 22:29:54

I don't really understand this either. I'm self-employed, I was on LinkedIn before I had children, and I'm still on it now. Did I automatically become a 'mumpreneur' when my first DC was born? What about DP, is he a 'dadpreneur'? grin

Trills Sun 24-Mar-13 22:30:12

YABU

In what way is it not "mum friendly"?

Nobody is discriminated against by LinkedIn based on whether they have reproduced or not.

quesadilla Sun 24-Mar-13 22:42:43

I am on LinkedIn and an a mum and not a professional. It's for work, not necessarily only for professionals. Not particularly sure why it should have to be mum-friendly, it's not gender-specific and your status as a parent or otherwise is irrelevant.

Ironbluemayfly Sun 24-Mar-13 22:45:29

It's actually quite hard to put a career break on the job history part of linkedin, the formatting makes it not look right.

GogoGobo Sun 24-Mar-13 22:47:27

I reckon a "mumpreneur" is one of those insufferable fuckers that blogs about "all things mummy related" for a living wink

I changed mine to Career Break when I took voluntary redundancy and it said WhoKnows works at Career Break, didn't sound right.

Vicky2011 Sun 24-Mar-13 22:51:49

Why not set up a LI group for mumpreneurs?

In reality though parental status is just not relevant, increasingly people don't put personal details on CVs so makes no sense to do on LI

sarahseashell Sun 24-Mar-13 23:09:56

I thought it was a mum who is also an entrepreneur

unlike a mumployee or mumployer or in fact a mumunemployed person grin

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 07:20:34

Well, it's condescending, sarahseashell. You don't call them Dadpreneurs, do you?

So why must the word mum be there?

semi Mon 25-Mar-13 08:13:32

WOW - such a range of views. I thought everyone was aware of the 'mumpreneur' name tag that's often used to describe stay at home or working mums who run their own businesses? I guess not Tee2072 and Euroshaggleton? And what's YABVVVVVVU all about? Should I spend more time on here to decipher the code? Oreocrumbs - that was my point. It is a networking site but I don't see many mumpreneurs on there networking. I guess it's an industry thing like many of you have said. I'm both legal and PR (figure that!) and love it on there. Thought that I've float this question as I wondered if I was the only one. Am sure I won't see many of you on there soon. One of the papers should write a piece about the vitriol surrounding the word 'mumpreneur' as it's caused such fury!

Montmartre, your post has made my day. grin

Trills Mon 25-Mar-13 08:18:54

We are aware of the name, but that doesn't mean we like it. It sets a very odd and unnecessary distinction between people who run their own business and are also mothers and women without children or all men, who just get to entrepreneurs. The implication is that being a mum is their primary role and isn't it sweet that they've got a little hobby, rather than being taken as seriously as anyone else with the same sort of business.

YABVU - You are have posted on a board called "Am I Being Unreasonable" (AIBU) and the answer may be YABU (you are being unreasonable) or YANBU (you are not being unreasonable). V is for very.

Trills Mon 25-Mar-13 08:19:49

And before anyone says "but being a mum IS my primary role" - it's not the first that a business associate should think of when they see you.

NotTreadingGrapes Mon 25-Mar-13 08:20:55

I am a Mum and I work from home.

My LinkedIn profile does not mention the fact that I have given birth as it has nothing to do with my ability to teach and translate.

I feel a little bit vommy at that silly word btw.

BOEUF Mon 25-Mar-13 08:20:55

WHAT ABOUT THE DADPRENEURS?

Jeez.

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 08:21:25

Of course I'm aware of the incredibly twee and condescending term mumpreneur. Do you call them dadpreneurs as well? Or do they get to just be entrepreneurs as their parental status isn't important and a woman's is?

Are all of your opinions and terminology also sexist and condescending to women? Or just this one?

Many many papers have written about the term mumpreneur. Perhaps you've been living under a rock for the last few years?

As I said, I have a LI profile. I'm an entrepreneur. My being a mother has nothing to do with it.

NotTreadingGrapes Mon 25-Mar-13 08:22:00

grin at Montmartre.

INeedThatForkOff Mon 25-Mar-13 08:23:11

Am sure I won't see many of you on there soon

Did you mean to sound so patronising, because that's how it came across.

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 08:26:34

BTW, if I did see you on there? You'd not be part of my network. I only network with people who aren't condescending to their own gender.

HTH!

MaryMotherOfCheeses Mon 25-Mar-13 08:27:46

Revolting word, deeply patronising and cringeworthy.

I can't work out why one would want to talk about one's kids whilst using LinkedIn.

FloatyBeatie Mon 25-Mar-13 08:30:04

I'm on Linked In. I agree that that bit where they cyber-test your womb to check whether it has expelled children, and then downgrade you to a lower-status membership seemed a bit unfair. Perhaps if I'd never had children Linked In wouldn't be the bizarrely pointless purveyor of esoteric spam that I have found it to be.

I'm a mumopy-editor, btw. It's like a mumpreneur except that I edit books.

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 08:31:27

grin Floaty

CuttedUpPear Mon 25-Mar-13 08:31:47

We're forgetting the real issue here - that LinkedIn is a pile of rubbish.
And I don't like the term mumpreneur either.

OpheliasWeepingWillow Mon 25-Mar-13 08:33:05

<feels genuine horror at prospect of posting 'mummy' updates on LinkedIn>

CashmereHoodlum Mon 25-Mar-13 08:35:12

One of the papers should write a piece about the vitriol surrounding the word 'mumpreneur' as it's caused such fury!

It is not a word.

givemeaclue Mon 25-Mar-13 08:40:45

Mumpreneur <boak> suggest a mummy who has a cupcake/bunting business as a hobby rather than an entrepreneurial business person. It is a term that does women a disservice which is why people prob don't put themselves on LinkedIn with that terminology. They prefer to be taken seriously. You don't see top business women referring to themselves in such a naff way.

Suzietwo Mon 25-Mar-13 08:47:24

I just don't understand why anyone thinks that defining themselves as a mother is in any way going to progress their career.

It tells me that that individual is likely to be unreliable, part time, wear a lot of boden, worry about their weight, be the lesser earning partner in their relationship and generally be unprofessional.

Not because I think that of mothers in the work place, but because I think that of someone who wishes to define themselves first as a freakin mumpreneur.

It can only possibly assist someone wishing to reach out to other mumpreneur s. in which case actually, please do continue to brand yourselves so the rst of us can avoid you.

FloatyBeatie Mon 25-Mar-13 08:50:49

I'm sure journos have already written the anti-"mumpreneur" piece. It's standard procedure to invent a trend, coin a new word to make it seem real, extract whatever drops of column-writing utility the term has to offer, and then write a final few columns about how unrealistic, offensive and trivialising this new term (that you peddled in the first place) is.

Women often seem to get the brunt of these pretend controversies with their neat new labels. Yummy mummies and slummy mummies, SAHM/WOHM, mumpreneurs v. anti-cup-cakist businesswomen in a man's world. Invented divisions to fill column-inches.

wildfig Mon 25-Mar-13 08:50:57

"5 years, 3 months, 15 days since I incorporated my media solutions providing business!!!!! <3 <3"

prettybird Mon 25-Mar-13 08:55:11

I'm on LinkedIn and use it in work related ways. As it happens, I am currently using it as one of the ways to look for a new job.

Fail to see how being a mum has any relevance.

And like others, I find the term "mumpreneur" somewhat condescending. I'm sure Richard Branson or Alan Sugar would have welcomed being labelled "Dadpreneurs" when they were setting up business. hmm

If you are setting up a business, be proud of the fact that you are an entrepreneur or self employed. The fact that you have ovaries that have been used is not relevant to your customers, colleagues or suppliers.

MoreBeta Mon 25-Mar-13 08:58:53

CuttedUpPear - well I wasn't going to go that far but frankly I have never heard of anyone who is in a large business or at a senior level actively using LinkedIn to get business or get a job. Its just seems like something you end up being linked to via other people by accident as far as I can see.

I get links from all sorts of people I barely know and no one has ever contacted me via a LinkedIn. Maybe its just me.

fromparistoberlin Mon 25-Mar-13 08:59:21

yabu

firstly for using the term mumpreneurs, BOAK

and secondly for articulating a silly idea that a professional website does not lend itself to mums. HOW ON EARTH!!!

SO, another yabu I am afraid

aurynne Mon 25-Mar-13 09:07:27

I guess if my DH and I became self-employed we'd be "dinkpreneurs" then?

I have honestly never heard the term mumtrepreneur.

I'm sort of angry to now know it even exists tbh.

YABSUICEPIIW*

(*you are being so unreasonable I can't even put it into words)

teatrolley Mon 25-Mar-13 09:11:32

'Don't virtual networks well lend themselves to busy mums?'

I just threw up a little.

Suzietwo Mon 25-Mar-13 09:19:35

the thing about linked in (and twitter) is that it can work pretty effectively as a profile raising exercise. if someone is thinking about using your services they often want to make sure you're connected to the 'right' people and that your name features among the top levels of them.

it is unlikely to be the way that people get your name but it may well be what secures you the job, if the profile looks right. i check everyone on linked in, from potential clients, opposite numbers (im a solicitor) and other people who might be involved in a matter.

i agree that those at the very top of their game dont need a linked in profile - everyone knows who they are - but im happy to admit i am not among those people and need all the help i can get.

semi Mon 25-Mar-13 09:23:35

like the point about dadpreneurs not labelling themselves as such. was talking.about self.employed women who are juggling motherhood with a new/existing business using networking sites such as.linkedin to drum up business and.augment their CVS with their business successes not antics about their kids that many mums blog about. funnily enough I'm not a fan of the word either..its entered the vernacular so made sense to use it. so I guess I.am being.unreasonable thanks for the decode. and good.luck to.the.one.lady who has posted that her biz.is 5 years.plus and.she uses the site. wink wink

semi Mon 25-Mar-13 09:29:48

teatrolley: mumsnet is a virtual network that seems to lend itself to people barfing when they dont.like how others speak or write.wink

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 09:31:10

But it hasn't entered the vernacular except by lazy journalists looking to stir up a fight.

And I hope you write proper English on LinkedIn. Or your whole network will drop you.

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 09:32:38

Perhaps this site would suit the OP better than LinkedIN? Since she seems to think being a mum has something to do with being an entrepreneur.

Frogman Mon 25-Mar-13 09:34:49

Oh no, not another stupid made up word " mumpreneur" Ghastly.

givemeaclue Mon 25-Mar-13 09:37:31

Omg at that link...the mumpreneur award scrolls tied up with pink ribbon...

Catchingmockingbirds Mon 25-Mar-13 09:38:25

I'm a parent and I'm on LinkedIn, DP is a parent and he is on LinkedIn too. I can honestly say I didn't give DS a second thought when I signed up and can't work out why I should have.

Eskino Mon 25-Mar-13 09:39:46

That weird presenter, Evan Davies used the term "Mumpreneur" <spit> on dragons den last night.

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 09:40:08

Rather scary, eh givemeaclue. Never heard of it until I just bitched about the word on my Twitter and was linked to it.

What a scary place. And sad. Too bad all those women seem to really care about is that they are mums. Like their businesses have no value.

semi Mon 25-Mar-13 09:40:30

tee2072 I can't open your suggested link. I think I've clarified my point. you are clearly at liberty to continue to disagree. smile

cleofatra Mon 25-Mar-13 09:41:06

I am a mum and a business woman and on Linkedin.
I'd say the people the OP is eluding to are just not on out of choice.

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 09:42:53

Funny, no one else is having trouble opening it. Perhaps you're not mum enough?

And thanks for you continued condescension. Can I have the name of your business so I can be sure to never use it or link to you on any LinkedIn site and tell my friends the same?

givemeaclue Mon 25-Mar-13 09:43:10

I would say op has not clarified any point or am I missing something

cleofatra Mon 25-Mar-13 09:43:29

I have an acquaintance who pushes her marketing based on her having given birth to a child. She goes in for all sorts of "mums in business" awards and such like and makes use of her toddler with wee vlogs/tweets etc based on her "busy mum" lifestyle. Kak.

Suzietwo Mon 25-Mar-13 09:44:44

"As well as supporting and celebrating "mumpreneurs", a mum who juggles running a business with family life"

juggles. i cant read that word without wanting to smash someones face in

dawntigga Mon 25-Mar-13 09:45:03

Dear goddess, it's like feminism never happened isn't it.

NeverBeingDefinedByHerBiologicalRelationshipsTiggaxx

semi Mon 25-Mar-13 09:46:18

floatybeattie: Yep I must have missed that part of.the linkedin sign up. you are clearly on a different possibly more upscale subscription to me smile

Eskino Mon 25-Mar-13 09:46:31

Cheers Tee, another mumsnet link that I will have to scrub out of my eyes with bleach grin

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 09:46:50

Glad to help, Eskino. grin

WallyBantersJunkBox Mon 25-Mar-13 09:48:57

I am a mum, and I'm on Linkedin.

I don't see the connection. Am I supposed to put a pic of me and DS together on there as I have on FB?

How would being a mum make the slightest bit of difference to my career networking status?

semi Mon 25-Mar-13 09:52:52

tee2072: I'm on an android phone aybe that's why I can't open your link but I get the jist based on others' feedback. ps when being attacked one must defend oneself.

flowery Mon 25-Mar-13 09:53:44

I don't understand.

What is it about LinkedIn that you think is not friendly to people who happen to have given birth OP?

I have a business.

I also have two sons.

I also have a LinkedIn profile and am in several groups on there.

I am unsure what my reproductive organs have to do with anything or why I need things to be 'friendly' towards me because of them.

sarahseashell Mon 25-Mar-13 09:53:46

tee I was being tongue-in-cheek shock

perhaps we should start to coin the phrase "dad-prime-minister" for the PM
smile

wonkylegs Mon 25-Mar-13 09:54:18

I'm a mum and on linked in.
It's a professional network and my parental status is not anything to do with my professional persona just as my husbands is nothing to do with his. I use it for professional networking so my parental status, sexual orientation, pudding preferences and favourite colour are not part of my profile, my professional qualifications and experience are however.

givemeaclue Mon 25-Mar-13 09:54:24

Op what is your line of business

flowery Mon 25-Mar-13 09:56:19

Actually, now I think of it, LinkedIn is a very parent friendly networking option. You don't need childcare to do it, as you do for breakfast networking events or evening events or similar.

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 09:57:44

Huh. I can open the link in my Android Tablet. Perhaps it's your fingers, then?

Sorry, sarah I thought you really didn't get it. Tone and text don't mix. grin

Yes! DaDemberOfParliament, anyone?

WallyBantersJunkBox Mon 25-Mar-13 09:58:47

You would never be part of my network because I work in a different industry to you, most likely. Nothing to do with how many times I'd made my womb accommodating.

I work in a retail head office environment and link with other retail professionals from my work history or via other meetings/courses/connections. I only have a few non retail contacts and these are friends from Uni and school.

I actually have had 4 requests to interview for 4 different roles through linked in this year. Agencies are constantly viewing my profile on there, so I'm very surprised folks are saying it's not great for jobhunting. I don't even hunt!! grin

It must vary by industry type.

quesadilla Mon 25-Mar-13 09:59:36

My objection to mumpreneur (or is it mumtrepreneur?) is purely based around style concerns, not feminist ones. It is absolutely toe-curlingly awful.

semi Mon 25-Mar-13 09:59:49

conclusion: mumsnetters hate the term mumpreneur. mumsnetters agree that linkedin is for business and that's got.nothing to do with gender. mumsnetters have very opposing views and think that self employed working mums are condescending. ok got it now - thanks

flowery Mon 25-Mar-13 09:59:56

And yes, many people who are in the public eye/press may not have one as they will get hundreds of connection requests from randoms.

Also people who make cupcakes or similar as their business are far more likely to benefit from Facebook.

IMO, if your business targets the consumer, spend time on Facebook. If your business targets other businesses, spend time on LinkedIn.

Exceptions of course, but that's my experience. People spend time on Facebook as part of their personal life, so are more likely to make private purchasing decisions as a result of things they see on there, and are more likely to 'tune in' to that kind of marketing message.

People spend time on LinkedIn in their professional capacity, either for their own business or for their employer, so will be more tuned in to making purchasing decisions for the business.

Sallyingforth Mon 25-Mar-13 10:01:04

YABFU to expect a website to bend to your own particular preferences. You are not paying for it.
I find LinkedIn useful and so I use it. I find FB a pile of crap and so I don't use it. You can make your own choices.
Or you could start your own website. If there is a demand for your particular interests you will make a fortune.

WallyBantersJunkBox Mon 25-Mar-13 10:01:22

fgs semi stop putting words into other peoples mouths.

That last statement was ridiculous.

I'm thinking of setting up a Mumpreneur baking business - why don't you taste my first biscuit

flowery Mon 25-Mar-13 10:03:25

"mumsnetters ...think that self employed working mums are condescending."

confused Who said that?

I am self employed.

I work.

I have children.

Therefore I am condescending? Right...

sarahseashell Mon 25-Mar-13 10:04:43

There was a recent-ish news report which showed that while men get paid more than women for the same work, in the case of entrepreneurs female entrepreneurs outperform men financially.

Interesting the emergence of this stupid term then

WallyBantersJunkBox Mon 25-Mar-13 10:05:28

No flowery I would be condescending to you, I think!

Can you feel me staring you down..?

<<condescending look>>

Ah well, I've got to leave this fascinating discussion as I have cakes to bake for my WI bake sale product to sign off.

sheisaba Mon 25-Mar-13 10:06:09

Ok op I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Surely Linkedin is actually very friendly to parents (mums and dads are responsible for 'juggling children and businesses'). In that it enables us to raise our profiles from the comfort of our own homes without attending networking breakfasts and evening events unlike the good old days. Yes?

<gavel>

p.s Montmartre grin

Thanks to all the mumedicans on MN for giving me a larf this morning.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

It is just wrong! If you set up your own business you are an entrepreneur, or self employef. It doesn't matter if you have ovaries or not, and iunare no more specila because you ar a parent! It is condescending twaddle.
Really annoys me. YABU and as for that so called professional website with the third link down to "gift guide" so the mummies can still do their shopping cos that's what the ladeez like..... Well I'm off to poke my eyes out.

FloatyBeatie Mon 25-Mar-13 10:34:33

No need for personal attacks on semi, surely? She hasn't been at all nasty. Its only the mumpreneur tag we should bridle at, surely? not semi!

FloatyBeatie Mon 25-Mar-13 10:39:56

Sorry, "irritability/" would have been more accurate than "personal attacks". I was busy burning an omelette as I wrote. grin

DIYapprentice Mon 25-Mar-13 10:49:05

Non mumsnetters also loathe the term 'mumpreneurs'. It's very derogatory in an 'oh look at that mum playing at being a business woman' kind of way. I would have to physically restrain myself from slapping anyone who called me that..... actually, depending on the person I might not bother stopping myself....

WallyBantersJunkBox Mon 25-Mar-13 11:01:12

But where did anyone say:

mumsnetters have very opposing views and think that self employed working mums are condescending. ok got it now - thanks

Bit of a sweeping statement, and belittles those on here with a proper business, doesn't it?

Suzietwo Mon 25-Mar-13 11:21:15

i prefer to think that those here with 'proper' businesses dont give a crap what someone on mumsnet says

but perhaps i am overly hopeful

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 11:21:45

Floaty I am being irritable, as you say, with semi because she used the term Mumpeneurs. Which is twee and condescending, and then accused all working mums of being condescending.

Perhaps she doesn't know what condescending means? ::benefit of doubt when really I think her opinion is idiotic and her conclusions are a full straw man::

dawntigga Mon 25-Mar-13 12:49:41

Also, that ghastly word sounds like it should be some kind of Victorian illness that women of a certain age get and come out in lumps.

Can'tEvenBringMyselfToTypeItTiggaxx

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 12:51:21

"Alas, my greatgrandmother died of mumtrepreneur..."

grin

DolomitesDonkey Mon 25-Mar-13 12:53:57

Grrr. The title of your post just made me curl my lip. But scanning down you've already been told why.

My opinion is that it's not so widely used in the UK - and it's ripe for abuse anyway. It has the potential to be used the way some people collect friends on FB - and who need to be endorsed by a complete stranger?

Oh, and linked in is shit - should've mentioned that.

StillSeekingSpike Mon 25-Mar-13 13:49:55

Does LinkedIn need a special MUM symbol so
a) little women can be offered lower status jobs, and not get any technical terms about cashflow as their husband does all that when he gets home from the City?
or
b) 'Mumtrepeneur' means the goods will be of low/ varying quality and standard as BUSY MUM is making them on the kitchen table inbetween breastfeeding Tabitha and helping Sebastian with his school project?

FloatyBeatie Mon 25-Mar-13 13:55:45

Good idea. How about a dripping nipple. You could "Click the nip" to link up with other mums. If a professional is willing to work with a woman who has procreated they could have a dripping nipple with a thumbs up next to it on their profile; if not, then a dripping nipple crossed out.

LinkedIn is NOT anonymous. That is why you probably wont see any of us there.

I am there as a professional, networking with people I have met in a professional capacity. I am not there as PureQ !

But you would not know me, unless you knew my real name, or my company.
And I am not about to declare that to all mumsnet just to get a few more connections!

EduCated Mon 25-Mar-13 14:12:05

I'm on LinkedIn but I don't have kids. If I have them in the future, do I have to notify them? Y'know, leave hospital, register the birth, inform LinkedIn that I am now a mother...

Tee2072 Mon 25-Mar-13 14:18:02

grin @ 'click the nip'.

annh Mon 25-Mar-13 14:20:46

Has anyone yet worked out why LinkedIn isn't "mum friendly"??? What would being "mum friendly" mean on a networking site? Should it be pink with lots of those bouncing emoticons they have on Netmums? Surely women who are professionals and wish to be on LinkedIn will do so regardless of whether they are mothers or not? Confused by this thread.

There is no cupcake icon on the right hand side? Or twinkly banners and timelines?

I think we all need MUM tiaras. You know, to distinguish ourselves from other mums. You know the sahms and those who are <whispers> non-preneurs.

EduCated Mon 25-Mar-13 14:25:28

Ooh, I might start a new website. LinkedMum.

Would that make me a mumpreneur?

or MummedIn

Or how about MotherDin ??

EduCated Mon 25-Mar-13 14:33:29

Hmm, not twinkly enough.

WillYouBeMyMummyFriend

LinkedHun?

EuroShaggleton Mon 25-Mar-13 14:33:50

It really hasn't entered the vernacular, OP.

Linkedin is useful to some people who are in business. Whether they have passed a small person through their vagina* or not appears to be completely irrelevant to that.

*Or had a CS of course. But that made the sentence rather unwieldy.

I'm thinking through my friends who are working mothers and I'm struggling to think of even one who isn't on LinkedIn. Possibly one civil servant who doesn't really use the internet (was the last person I know in my generation to get online at home). And possibly one dr friend. But I can't think of anyone in business who isn't. Some are self-employed, some are employed. But they are all on there.

Springsister Mon 25-Mar-13 14:35:48

Anyway Linked In are annoying and shite.
And they keep emailing me with "reminders" just like Friends reunited did just before they folded...

You can change your settings to not get reminders.

Anyway, lots of spammers send fake linked in reminders, which will download malware to your computer if you click the links.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Mon 25-Mar-13 15:19:38

My status as a parent has fuck all to do with my profession. I am self employed and on LinkedIn. I am also a Mother. They've feck all to do with one another.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Mon 25-Mar-13 15:20:03

Educated grin at LinkedHun!

2rebecca Mon 25-Mar-13 15:21:49

I think for many jobs Linked in is useless. I see it as aimed at the self employed or those in the sorts of businesses where networking with people you hardly know is important to try and get you more business.
If you work in most public sector jobs then it's all pretty irrelevent as most of us have more work than we can handle..

ilovexmastime Mon 25-Mar-13 15:58:27

I'm not sure what this is all about tbh, but for the record I'm a self-employed mum with a LinkedIn profile. Also for the record, I find LinkedIn a really useful tool for my business.

motherinferior Mon 25-Mar-13 16:03:08

I am a freelance journalist. I am on LinkedIn. It is occasionally useful.

I also gave birth twice. That fact is not on LinkedIn.

SatsukiKusukabe Mon 25-Mar-13 16:15:57

are fathers dadprenuers or are they allowed to be people too?

TheRealFellatio Mon 25-Mar-13 16:18:22

Plenty of professional men do not have a Linked In profile either. Just like facebook, some people do not feel a need or a desire to use it. I am not at all sure that being a er...'mumpreneur' hmm has anything to do with it whatsoever.

badguider Mon 25-Mar-13 16:21:12

LinkedIn is no place for any discussion or recording of my familial or romantic relationships. It's a professional networking tool. I only put information on there pertinent to my CV (I am freelance so don't even have mat leave on my CV).

FloatyBeatie Mon 25-Mar-13 16:31:30

How many people are on LinkedIn because it is actually useful, rather than because they joined it to see what it was, forgot their password, and then didn't find the spam quite annoying enough for it to be worthwhile retrieving password to log in and deregister?

I have this vision of tens of thousands of names just circling slowly in an ether of meh.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Mon 25-Mar-13 16:38:38

Lol that's me Floaty! I joined because I worried I was missing something....I'm missing nothing. There are no jobs on there...I do have connections to various clients of mine on there but they all have my contact details anyway if they want to get in touch!

badguider Mon 25-Mar-13 16:40:20

I am freelance. I use it. I have been "re-found" on it by many ex-colleagues and that has led to work.
I am also a semi-active member of a group on there that is very useful cpd.

FunnysInLaJardin Mon 25-Mar-13 16:43:04

I'm a mum and have a linkedin profile. Not as a mum you understand, that would be odd

Snugglepiggy Mon 25-Mar-13 16:44:57

I'm not on Linked -in.Wouldn't benefit the very local ,word of mouth business I run from home.My DH is and it's been fairly beneficial in his industry..However I'm damned ,sure great dad as he is , he's never wondered if the site is 'dad friendly' or felt any information about him being a parent was remotely relevant to his profile and connections on there.
When I was promoting the services I provide,and in any continuing advertising I do ,I don't need to advertise the fact I am a mum.YABVU OP.

FunnysInLaJardin Mon 25-Mar-13 16:51:18

wow I never knew I was a Mumlicitor, recently changed career to become a Mumerrcial Mumoperty Mumanager. being a mum really does define me in every walk of life grin

I am an entrepreneur and I own my own company employing several people. I even started it because I wanted professional independence after having my first child. I would never DREAM of belittling my achievements of the last 4 years with the term "mumpreneur", which would reduce me (with all due respect to those successfully making squillions at it) to the level of people making their own recycled felt cloth nappies and baby wipe bunting.

I am on LinkedIn and I use it exclusively for business networking, which is an area of my life where the fact that I have children is irrelevant, apart from the fact that as an employer who happens to have children, I run (what I hope is) a very parent-friendly office.

WallyBantersJunkBox Mon 25-Mar-13 17:04:02

No it's really useful for recommending my Junior staff to give them a lift up in the industry and as I mentioned the number of times I got headhunted.

And today I got headhunted again actually, for Milan!

I'm not an Entrpreneur, I'm a wage slave - am I still allowed to click the Nipple?

TeaOneSugar Mon 25-Mar-13 17:07:51

I don't remember any questions about reproduction when I signed up.

FunnysInLaJardin Mon 25-Mar-13 17:12:34

I think to answer the OP's question it is nothing to do with LinkedIn being mum friendly or not, just that lots of people don't use it and so that is why you can't find everyone on it

Talkinpeace Mon 25-Mar-13 17:15:47

My work capabilities are not affected by the fact that I have had children
therefore my family status is irrelevant to what I put on Linkedin.

semi Mon 25-Mar-13 17:16:00

http://www.mumsnet.com/workfest/programme.....am pretty sure Linkedin will be on the agenda for this mumsnet event. let's hope no one dares to say the 'm' (umpreneur) word!

EduCated Mon 25-Mar-13 17:26:52

I don't think anyone paid by MNHQ would dare mention it wink

I dont understand what your last post have to do with anything, Semi.

Wishiwasanheiress Mon 25-Mar-13 17:31:37

Pin money at cupcakes? Patronising bunch. Mumpreneurs netted the economy millions last year. Stick that up ur twinset and pearls!

I've seen so much bile on here recently against sahms, and now at mums trying make a good balance, run a business and contribute. Just why are so many on mn so patronising or spiteful to other women struggling along just like they are? It's baffling. Jealousy? Gotta be surely?!

EduCated Mon 25-Mar-13 17:39:39

I've taken most of the posts here to suggest that that is exactly why the word 'mumpreneur' implies pin money from cupcakes when actually these are women who are successfully making money for themselves, whether its from bunting or the latest biomedical gizmos and gadgetry and therefore it's condescending to dismiss their work through such a twee and lazy term.

They are Entrepreneurs! What has mum got to do with what they do?

Mumtrepeneurs is patronizing and demeaning.

EduCated Mon 25-Mar-13 17:41:12

That made no sense blush

I meant the word implies that whole 'pin money from cupcakes' mindset, which is condescending and patronising to entrepreneurial businesswomen, which is what they are, no matter what they're making their money from.

prettybird Mon 25-Mar-13 17:53:17

I used LinkedIn today to check on the background of someone I've got a business call with tomorrow. It helps me prepare.

LinkedIn has its uses in a business context. Marital/parental status is irrelevant.

badguider Mon 25-Mar-13 18:10:14

What the actual fuck is a mumpreneur? I don't normally swear on mn but as a self-empolyed business woman in a professional field I am offended deeply by the idea that whether or not I have given birth is relevant to my business.
Where are the dadpreneurs? Or is parenthood only important for women in business???

I am not patronising or being spiteful to women by belittling that phrase, it is the phrase itself that is patronising and spiteful.

EduCated Mon 25-Mar-13 18:19:05

'I am not patronising or being spiteful to women by belittling that phrase, it is the phrase itself that is patronising and spiteful'

That's what I was trying to say, just not quite as clearly blush

aldiwhore Mon 25-Mar-13 18:20:56

I've always viewed LinkedIn as professional/business networking... I have a profile on there and use it in a professional capacity.

FB is for fun, personal daftness, and socialising. It's for the real unapologetic 'me'. LinkedIn is purely for the business me, the professional me and my online behaviour there is very very different.

I don't mind the term Mumtrepeneurs being used in the right context, a self funding hobby directly related to your own motherhood, but in a true business context is has no place at all. I mean would a Chairman of the Board of Directors put up with being referred to as a Chairmum just because she also happens to have children?

I've been a Mumtrepeneur and it was great fun and quite successful (it provided a few luxuries whilst I was a SAHM) , had I taken it to the next stage so it provided an income above minimum wage, and required me to need childcare etc., then I would simply have evolved into a businessperson. I would never belittle any mum who has a hobby that earns a few pounds, as I've been there. In the end I gave it up and got a regular job, it's now an occassional hobby.

Think I'll change my LinkedIn profile to show that I am a Commumications Manager so that other mums can find me.

CuttedUpPear Mon 25-Mar-13 19:50:37

[I have this vision of tens of thousands of names just circling slowly in an ether of meh* grin

There have been three or four people on this thread who have said that LinkedIn is useful to them.
Apart from those few, has anyone else on this thread (or in the wider world) ever got a job through it? I was a member for three years then left because it seemed like a never ending orgy of name-tag, leading to Nowhere At All.

LittleChickpea Mon 25-Mar-13 19:51:43

LinkedIn is a professional network not a social network.  Most people on there don't consider or cares whether you are a mum, dad, one eyed green goblin as long as you have the skills, experience they require or you can connect them to someone thy would like a business relationship with....

have found that most self-employed women/mumpreneurs I've spotted in the press haven't got a Linkedin profile. What's that all about? Don't virtual networks

Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they don't have an account.  You can hide or only allow access to your information to people that are first, second or third contacts via your network. 

Agree with Tess mumpreneurs makes me cringe....  Where did that saying come from? So deeming.. Entrepreneurs are entrepreneurs regardless of whether they are parents...

Talkinpeace Mon 25-Mar-13 19:55:41

Cutted
I'm not looking for a job, I'm looking to be able to pitch for work and Linkedin proves that although I work for myself now, that is on the back of a pretty good CV ...

aurynne Mon 25-Mar-13 19:59:35

I have to say it... but it is quite ironic to read so many mums barfing at the term "mumpreneur" while writing on a forum called "mumsnet"... grin

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Mon 25-Mar-13 20:00:43

Yes...but Mumsnet is not comparible to Mumpreneur which is a hideous and patronising title....all it does is belittle female businesswomen who happen to be parents.

Talkinpeace Mon 25-Mar-13 20:06:25

I post on Mumsnet using this name.
NOT my professional name and letters.

I post on Linkedin under my Maiden Name and Facebook under my Married Name.

Nuff said.

nulgirl Mon 25-Mar-13 20:07:55

In my industry (work in Change for a bank) it is really useful. People move about so much because we work in projects and it is a really good way of keeping tabs on useful contacts. I am also contacted almost weekly by agencies with new vacancies. I am not looking for a new job at the moment but will use it when I'm searching for my next role.

I have "vetted" a fair few of our freelancers through LinkedIn. I check out the LinkedIn profiles of people I am going to see, or talk to. And their company profiles too. I have never offered anybody a "job" on LinkedIn, but people have been given freelance work from me (through the company I work for).

So for me LinkedIn is a very useful tool.

At the moment I am "nurturing" a relationship with the md of a creative web agency I am considering handing our business website over to.

LinkedIn is not a recruitment site, although by the looks of things it seems to go that way, as I have matched job descriptions related to my role daily.

DolomitesDonkey Mon 25-Mar-13 20:19:12

sarahseashells it was a barclay's investment bank report published within the last 6 weeks or so showing that women entrepreneurs earn 14% more than their male counterparts within the UK.

RapunzelAteMyHamster Mon 25-Mar-13 20:21:25

I got my last job through LinkedIn. More useful than a herd of recruiters IMO. I've also generated sales leads from there in the past. A lot of the time it's just marketing and sales people shouting into the ether though.

I've never mentioned my child on there BUT I know someone who changed her job title to "stay at home mummy" once she'd had her child. I laughed a bit at that smile

Merguez Mon 25-Mar-13 20:25:32

has anyone linked to this yet (can't be arsed to read the whole thread)?

www.mumpreneuruk.com

sarahseashell Mon 25-Mar-13 23:02:55

thanks dolomites yes obviously the fact that women can in fact earn more than men under their own steam is a threat

I think it's no coincidence that now women who are entrepreneurial have to be reduced/belittled in this way

LahleeMooloo Mon 25-Mar-13 23:32:03

The phrase "busy mum" always makes me cringe, surely all mums busy by default?

montmartre Mon 25-Mar-13 23:36:26

Glad I cheered someone up today! grin

I don't dare click on tee/merguez's link...

DolomitesDonkey Tue 26-Mar-13 06:11:31

I don't like the term "mumpreneur" - but even less do I like the sneering displayed on this thread. For those of you who have your own businesses - are you really turning away clients because they've jumped on this "mumpreneur" bandwagon? Their jam-smeared fivers not good enough for you? sad

We all have our preferred client - the ones who pay in full and on time (yes, I know there's more to it than that!) - but personally I don't ask mine to sit an IQ test and demand they reveal their mumsnet/netmums allegiance first!

FloatyBeatie Tue 26-Mar-13 08:15:38

Think you've misunderstood the thread, dolomite. It isn't sneering at any woman in business -- including women in parenting-related start-ups. It's sneering at the trivialization of women in business that happens when people use a cosy pigeon-holing neologism dooming businesswomen to be regarded always through the filter of their status as mothers.

<applauds Floaty>

DolomitesDonkey Tue 26-Mar-13 08:51:12

I did take that bit in, I also took in the "sneery bits" about "cupcakes and bunting".

Personally I find the term 'mumpreneur' sneery.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 26-Mar-13 09:09:58

I frickin' LOVE "ether of meh"

I'm on LinkedIn. I find it useful to get a quick view of someone before I meet them, make sure I can access their details after meeting them so don't have to save business cards etc.

Talkinpeace Tue 26-Mar-13 11:40:45

I'm a mum.
I run a business.
But its the same business I ran before I became a Mum.
And accountancy was never particularly "fluffy".

DH is a Dad
He runs a business
His business IS centred around children.
Should he amend his Linkedin profile to call himself a Dadrepeneur?
Or just stay as a Company director?

slightlysoupstained Tue 26-Mar-13 12:41:43

I haven't got a job directly through LinkedIn, but I've referred others, so yes in some industries and professions you can get work through it.

I'm actually a little surprised if I'm reviewing a CV and can't find them on LinkedIn. So I guess that suggests it's way more common in my small bubble. (I usually cross-check CV with LinkedIn - sometimes you find the bloody recruiter has "helpfully" mangled it, sometimes you catch out someone who's forgotten to change profile to match current embroidered CV. Also if someone I trust has worked with them I might ask.)

I generally think of it as designed for recruiters (who pay for premium accounts) with a few features sprinkled in to make it attractive enough for the saleable product (ordinary users) to stick around. And the discussion forums are either dead or appalling.

StillSeekingSpike Tue 26-Mar-13 13:04:13

'I also took in the "sneery bits" about "cupcakes and bunting".'

The sneering is at those who characterise female businesses as the above- and runs by 'busy mums'. Of course, perhaps there are millions of articles about dadtrepenurs and busy working dads running their 'little' businesses from their kitchen tables....

wonkylegs Tue 26-Mar-13 13:21:00

slightlysoupstained I think the discussion forums probably depend what industry you are in. The ones I'm linked to are quite busy & interesting but they tend to be around established professional groups.

ilovexmastime Tue 26-Mar-13 13:29:35

Same here Wonky.

FloatyBeatie Tue 26-Mar-13 13:57:15

It's been very interesting to read here about the uses that people do make of LinkedIn. I've got a profile there, but because I was never sure whether LinkedIn was remotely relevant or useful for me, I haven't at all taken the trouble to build up a big list of contacts there (or friends or followers or whatever they are called on LinkedIn). So now I worry a little that having such a small set of connections makes me look weedy or bad. It seems from what some have said that the CV-type information on the profile is worth retaining, though, so probably not a good idea to delete membership altogether. Hmm. Not sure what to do. I hate the idea of scrabbling around for contacts to add.

badguider Tue 26-Mar-13 14:09:41

Floaty - only add people you genuinely know and who you respect and are on the same wavelength work-wise because people will look at your contacts and judge you on them. If I see somebody has worked with lots of people I respect and enjoy working with then I think I will like working with that person. If they are connected to people I find 'difficult' then I might be more guarded with them.
I started with people I really liked from my previous teams/companies - it's a good way to stay in touch with people as if you only know them professionally you only have their work email and phone number and if they move on you can lose touch. In fact, almost everybody I have on there are previous teammates from old jobs but they've all moved to so many other places now that it's become a wide circle of connections.

QuintEggSensuality Tue 26-Mar-13 14:16:16

You have to be a bit careful too.

A person who made a contact request, was also connected to two other people I know professionally, has now started spamming me emails about her services!

I think that is a bit off.

I now have the dilemma whether to disconnect or not. Clearly just interested in harvesting email addresses for email marketing. Is it classified Unsolicited if from a LinkedIn contact, although you have not asked for information or to be contacted?

So, to the point: Dont add strangers!

FloatyBeatie Tue 26-Mar-13 14:25:42

Thanks, both of you. It sounds like it should definitely only be a place for noting real life, substantial connections, not like Twitter etc where you form purely online relationships quite readily. That's useful to know.

QuintEggSensuality Tue 26-Mar-13 15:00:14

I think it is a much more formal and professional environment than Twitter for sure.

Facebook is for family and friends, twitter for fun and serious social networking with people you know and dont know, LinkedIn for work. Thats how I take it.

I wish I knew what to do with it rather than more than I do now.

I hate the number of people who want to add me to their network who are just recruiters or from Indian research companies. I don't know them, so why network with them?

On the other hand, I have 402 connections, and I'd like to be able to market to (some) of them - but how to do this without appearing to spam them?

slightlysoupstained Tue 26-Mar-13 16:22:37

Because - why don't you try a fairly soft start by just sharing a few update messages? (On the front page). I only see those when I log in, so am not bothered about marketing there in the same way as I am if it arrives in my email inbox.

Talkinpeace Tue 26-Mar-13 16:27:26

Because
the other trick is to tweak and update your profile every few days - keeps you on the front page when people log in.
I'm connected to lots of former colleagues and University friends as well as family and real life friends who are on there
and its is best for checking people out.

THe beancounting discussion groups are pretty lively.

Nobody on this thread wants to buy some market research then? <hopeful>
Would save me going to all that trouble on mum-unfriendly Linked In
grin

FloatyBeatie Tue 26-Mar-13 18:15:03

BIWI, I'd like you to mumarket-research the scope for my new limumited comumpany which will be mumanagement comumsulting for the busy mumtreprenuer.

QuintEggSensuality Tue 26-Mar-13 18:15:08

I wish we could afford market research!!

Floaty - I think I know the answer to that one ...

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Thu 28-Mar-13 09:44:53

<lowering tone> someone on another thread has called herself a cuntrepreneur.

Cuntrepreneur and Cocktrepreneur. It could catch on.

Trills Thu 28-Mar-13 11:46:19

I am not any kind of preneur. Sorry.

mindosa Thu 28-Mar-13 11:48:50

Its for professionals, why oh why does the world have to revolve around Mums,

As an aside I roar laughing at those Red and Easy Living profiles of women running cottage industries that clearly are not making a penny!

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