to urge ALL MNers to organise a mass boycott of the Daily Mail due to their involvement in this death?

(71 Posts)
MardyBra Fri 22-Mar-13 14:13:14

This is the story I'm talking about:

I'll hold my hand up. I've occasionally bought it in the past, usually when I want something light to read with my lunch. I'm not proud of this (to the extent of hiding it at the bottom of the recycling pile) and I vehemently disagree with the politics. However, I can't always be arsed to read a broadsheet and I've always skimmed over stories which I see as scaremongering and prejudiced.

However this story has brought it home to me how an article which may elicit a passing glance from the casual reader, could actually be causing a living hell for the subject.

Personally I think that Littlejohn and the DM are just as (if not more) culpable in the death of Lucy Meadows as the Australian DJs were in the prank call leading to the suicide of the nurse Jacinta Saldanha. In fact, the DJs' intention was merely to play a harmless joke, whereas the DM and other media were deliberately trying to destroy the reputation and career of a professional teacher based merely on their prejudices against transexuals.

Shamefully, this story is hardly being reported in the media and had it not been for the above thread on MN I would certainly not have been aware of it.

Now, I know that a lot of MNers already avoid the DM, but this is an appeal to the mainstream, less activist MNers, who are less inclined to boycott goods to join me and stop buying this paper. Now.

The boycott of The Sun by Liverpudlians after their venomous reporting of the Hillsborough disaster has had a lasting impact on sales of the paper there. Why shouldn't be harness the power of MN and wreak revenge on the DM for Lucy's death in the same way?

Bearandcub Fri 22-Mar-13 14:26:33

It's not buying it, but linking to it too provides them with revenue via advertising.

Moominsarehippos Fri 22-Mar-13 14:32:59

I fail to see how the original story was unlisted in a 'news'paper. Is hardly in the public interest is it?

Modern equivalent of nasty, vicious village gossip.

Who the hell do they think they are that they can drag a private individual into the public arena? Was she hurting anyone? 'Little billy thinks he'll wake up a girl! Wahwahwah,' then, you stupid parent, you explain to him why he won't.

I despair.

My parents buy it. I will be talking to them when they get back from holiday!

ouryve Fri 22-Mar-13 14:40:16

I've never bought it and the only articles I will click links for are the few that I know to be positive. I refuse to contribute toward their advertising revenue for anything else.

WorraLiberty Fri 22-Mar-13 14:43:26

I've never bought it and the only articles I will click links for are the few that I know to be positive. I refuse to contribute toward their advertising revenue for anything else.

But that doesn't make sense.

No matter what the reason is for you clicking the links, you'e still helping to fund the Daily Mail.

YANBU OP, that story was beyond vile and the only way they'll ever be 'sorry' if if they're hit where it the pocket.

kim147 Fri 22-Mar-13 14:55:39

My Dad still buys it - but to be honest, it's the whole media storm that is also responsible.

Jane Fae explains how Lucy was made to feel by the media.

And my mum used ti work with transsexuals so hopefully she will take an interest in this.
(as opposed to the "raspberries CAUSE cancer...blueberries CURE cancer" stories she currently seems to care about)

kim147 Fri 22-Mar-13 14:59:07

"However this story has brought it home to me how an article which may elicit a passing glance from the casual reader, could actually be causing a living hell for the subject. "

YY to this - it's what I said when I first mentioned this article.

I hated the article then - and I am still crying over the tragic events that have happened.

MardyBra Fri 22-Mar-13 16:48:41

"to be honest, it's the whole media storm that is also responsible"

I agree it's not just the DM. But the DM has the biggest circulation after the Sun and I suspect it is the most read paper on MN.

JamieandtheMagicTorch Fri 22-Mar-13 16:57:59

The NS article mentions the ignoramus parents wanting their 5 minutes of fame by whining "won't someone think of the chiiiildren?". Every school has these parents. The positive voices aren't listened to by the media.

LineRunner Fri 22-Mar-13 16:58:16

I have asked my dad to stop reading it because their scare-mongering drivel is not good for his blood pressure.

MardyBra Fri 22-Mar-13 18:01:42

Hmm. Not an overwhelming response then.

MsTakenidentity Fri 22-Mar-13 18:15:06

Imho, journalists appear to be looking after one of their own.

Good blog post on this very sad story here.

Tortington Fri 22-Mar-13 18:20:59

i hate them so much that when the newsagents were giving them away free with any purchase, i said in much disgusted tone " not in my house thank. you."

MardyBra Fri 22-Mar-13 18:35:01

According to the Guardian, there is a vigil outside the DM offices on Monday at 6.30pm.

OzmaofOz Fri 22-Mar-13 18:39:24

Yanbu, they are beyond vile.

Waitrose, umm, also give out the daily mail sometimes - I loathe it. I've been boycotting it for years - good on you tho marry bra!

Mardybra I mean.

NicholasTeakozy Fri 22-Mar-13 18:43:17

I'd not heard of Lucy Meadows until this morning when an article popped up on my Facebook timeline. I don't buy this despicable hate filled shitrag, nor do I use their website, because I find their articles are written to inflame. To treat this young woman as they did is appalling. Richard Littlecock should hang his head in shame for being the small minded petty bigot we know him to be.

everlong Fri 22-Mar-13 18:48:40

Agree mardy.

But it won't stop people reading/buying it.

I'd say that quite a few on MN are obsessed with it.

MardyBra Fri 22-Mar-13 18:49:33

I knew what you meant Thisisa grin

maxicosifanjotutto Fri 22-Mar-13 18:58:17

My dm and mil read it. I am going to have words. But they do already know my opinion on the daily fail. will be disapointed if they do keep buying it.sad

Hopeforever Fri 22-Mar-13 19:00:30

Mardy, thank you for letting me know about this, I don't read the Mail but have followed the link to the Guardian article and signed the petition it mentions

JacqueslePeacock Fri 22-Mar-13 19:02:35

I would boycott but as I've never bought it I don't think it would do them much damage. I don't think I know anyone who reads it (at least, of the people I know well enough to know what papers they might read), and I'm amazed that you say it's the most read paper on MN. That's depressing.

MardyBra Fri 22-Mar-13 19:02:42

The thanks should go to kim147 who posted the thread I've linked to in the OP Hopeforever.

MardyBra Fri 22-Mar-13 19:03:55

Jacques It's my impression that it's the most read paper on MN. I don't have any stats, but it certainly gets linked to a lot.

muminthecity Fri 22-Mar-13 19:07:45

I've never bought it, always hated it. When I used to get one sent free with my Tesco delivery (some sort of promotion) I always asked the driver to take it back. They are heartless bastards. (The Daily Mail, not the Tesco drivers.)

HotCrossNaanAndRessurectiOn Fri 22-Mar-13 19:09:06

I find it easy to boycott the Mail as I already don't buy it and don't click on links either.

Nasty rag.

navada Fri 22-Mar-13 19:11:17

I admire your spirit op, but I very much doubt this tragedy will do any damage to the DM or indeed Richard Littlejohn.

ouryve Fri 22-Mar-13 19:13:47

I might click a link a month, worra. I don't begrudge them the amount of advertising revenue they will get on my behalf because they published a rare interesting, positive, non-judgemental story. I count this as giving my literal twopenn'orth on what I would rather they published compared with their usual racist, disablist, xenophobic, homophobic, sexist, NIMBY scaremongering.

I despise Tesco as an organisation as much as I do the DM, but still buy the odd item there because it's my local supermarket and sometimes the 20 minute journey to Sainsburys on bad roads isn't going to happen. I would never travel past any other supermarket (not even ASDA) to get to one, though.

OutragedFromLeeds Fri 22-Mar-13 19:17:40

is there anything on twitter about it?

LtEveDallas Fri 22-Mar-13 19:20:09

I won't have the Daily Hate in the house, and DH agrees. We've pretty much given up on the papers these days. I've signed the petition now though, so thanks for bringing it to my attention Kim and Mardy.

exoticfruits Fri 22-Mar-13 19:21:23

I boycotted it years ago.

slambang Fri 22-Mar-13 19:22:45

Problem is - those who would protest already wouldn't buy the DM. Those who do buy it presumably think this sort of article is acceptable.

navada Fri 22-Mar-13 19:26:45

Precisely slambang.

INeedThatForkOff Fri 22-Mar-13 19:29:50

I wouldn't dream of buying the DM anyway. Perhaps MNers should pledge to stop linking to it with the usual 'sorry it's the DM' ...

ChairmanWow Fri 22-Mar-13 19:34:47

Another who has never bought it. I won't be clicking on any links either. It is a bile-filled rag at the best of times (remember the Stephen Gately article by Jan Moir?), but to expose an innocent teacher like this, humiliate her in the national press then try and hide the evidence when she's been driven to her death is a new low even for them.

There will be an inquest and I hope the DM are flamed for this. And they claim there's no need for external press regulation!

Leithlurker Fri 22-Mar-13 19:50:29

I start my contribution by saying I think this is yet another case of the press acting to scapegoat an individual for being different. I deplore that anyone thinks it is in any way justifiable or indeed that they have a right to pass comment on someone else and their life. I include celebrities and politicians in that as if we afford the right to lead a personal life to one person we must give it to all, other wise what happened in this case will go on happening under the guise of "public interest".

The Daily Mail have carried out a systematic and deliberate campaign of hate, misinformation, scaremongering, and politicly driven disinformation against disabled people in particular but also immigrants, single parents (mostly women) benefit claimants, travellers, and many other groups as well. I would be asking not becouse I do not believe this case is enough justification, but why was a boycott not called uon for any of the stories linked to those groups I have just mentioned? Like this case unless someone can find a signed statement squarely saying that the daily mail was directly responsible for taking their life, I would suggest that we could say that many disabled people for one grouping have ended their life not because they were specificly named or attacked, but because they were tarred with a very large brush and called all kinds of names.

So if a call for a boycott is to be made by people on MN I would suggest that this case be used by all means, but only as the tip of a very large iceberg of hate levelled at many users of MN in all parts of the forums.

kim147 Fri 22-Mar-13 20:26:47

I have asked my Dad to stop reading it. He thought I would have no hassle when I came out and I hope this story has made him think.

NicholasTeakozy Fri 22-Mar-13 22:49:36

An effective deterrent to the sidebar of shame is Kitten Block. It's available for Firefox and Chrome.

TiggyD Fri 22-Mar-13 23:46:24

I wonder why all the comments on Littlejohn's online column are moderated before being displayed? He thinks censorship of the press is bad but censorship of the people is good?

WafflyVersatile Sat 23-Mar-13 00:00:56

Every talk board I've been on links to the daily mail approx once a day or more. Every time someone clicks on those links they are bolstering their position as the nations most 'popular' paper.

DM is not the only tabloid sized paper. Try the mirror.

WorraLiberty Sat 23-Mar-13 00:13:28

Most popular MN 'excuses' for reading/linking to the Daily Fail...

I hate broadsheets, therefore I read the DM (What? That's the only tabloid??)

I didn't buy it, I read it at the hairdressers/dentist/PIL's house (And yet you profess to hate it? Would you read a porn mag just because it was there?)

I only read it online...that's not as bad as going to the newsagents and handing over money is it? (yeah right...think about it)

I only read it for the celeb gossip and fashion. (These people can also often be seen blaming the media and misogyny for females being given a hard time about their looks and private lives).

I read it and link to it all over the internet because they make me so angry (YY so not only are you giving them're encouraging others to do the same).

Now personally, I don't give a shiny shit who reads what - that's a free choice we're all entitled to.

But why make excuses? Why read the DM and then pretend you're not actually a DM reader? Why read it/link to it/goggle at the 'gossip' and then pretend you're somehow 'better' than other people who read it too?

I just don't get it confused

JennyPiccolo Sat 23-Mar-13 00:15:12

It's never occurred to me to buy the daily mail but I click links to the website fairly frequently. Will try to refrain from doing so again.

HollyBerryBush Sat 23-Mar-13 06:10:57

I read it because I like it.

And until the investigation and inquest are complete, I doubt it does anyone any good to attribute cause and blame and have a total kneejerk reaction to someone they've never met.

navada Sat 23-Mar-13 07:21:41

Agree hollyberrbush: Was a suicide note left blaming the DM article? - does anyone know for sure why this person took their own life? From what I understand suicides are rarely triggered by just one thing.

LtEveDallas Sat 23-Mar-13 07:25:59

Actually Holly and Navada there is someone on this thread who did know Lucy Meadows and does believe that the DM was responsible for her death. I'm happy to take her word for it and even happier to call for the sacking of the prick that is Littlejohn.

kim147 Sat 23-Mar-13 08:47:25

If you do read the DM, you'll realise that they hate transsexuals (as well as other groups). Hardly a day goes by without them printing some article about us which is full of lies and misinformation.

The Littlejohn article just added fuel to the fire. She received hate mail and I can imagine it just made her life that much harder walking down the street and trying to live her life.

The whole media have a big question to ask themselves about responsibilty in cases such as this. Transition is hard enough without all this stuff. It's life changing and you can be in a very vulnerable state. I have certainly been in a very vulnerable state and I can't imagine having all this stuff going on.

It's not just the DM. But they have to think about what they did to an innocent person.

mrsjay Sat 23-Mar-13 08:48:36

I never buy it dont read it online and i hate that people link to it on here, I know you are linking to prove a point

Stinkyminkymoo Sat 23-Mar-13 09:16:06

I thought about what would happen should the Heather council house woman commit suicide after the press hounding she got. It really made me wonder why the Aussie DJ's got such a hard time over a prank, and yet this woman was constantly harassed with there being no consequences.

I didn't know about Lucy and I feel very sad that someone who just wants to feel like the person they are can't just because a paper has got their teeth into a story and can't let go. Vile, just vile.

jamdonut Sat 23-Mar-13 09:17:17

I admit to reading it in the past. That was in backlash to my parents and grandparents reading The Sun and The Daily Mirror (and their Sunday versions) somewhat slavishly.

But in the end I couldn't stand it any more. Out of choice I read the Independent, but to be honest, I hardly ever read that now. I pick up the news on-line mostly. I don't think I'm missing anything, because I'm not interested in Big Brother, I'm a Celebrity,Strictly,BGT. (I like X factor, but I'm not interested in their stories.)or Coronation Street or Eastenders, which is what most papers seem to be full of.

I've only just picked up on the story of Lucy Meadows. I think it is atrocious what the press think they can do in pursuit of "stories".

jamdonut Sat 23-Mar-13 09:25:10

More than anything, i can't understand their motives....what did they want to happen?
Did they want her sacked? What would that achieve? If she was a good teacher before, there was no reason to think she wouldn't still be a good teacher.

Did they want a general public uprising against all transgenders? (? Don't know the correct term,sorry if I've offended)

Did they want her to "lose it" and do something awful so that they could say "told you so!"

What? What could it possibly be? She had committed no crime.

Leithlurker Sat 23-Mar-13 09:58:44

Jamdonut, her crime like the crimes of benefit claimants, single mothers, immigrants, lgbt, et al, is to dare to offend the sensitivities of the worste elements of white middle class people who feel they have the entitlement to look down on other people as they have "worked for everything they have", "played by the rules" have "normal sex", and that since they are the squeezed middle always the ones being chased by the politicle parties for their votes, they are given this moral sense of rage by being pandered too. Of course a newspaper in fact every news paper wants to speak for them. Thats where the money and the power is. People like benefit claimants,lgbt, and the mentally ill who kill themselves as a result of being scapegoated by the press are just sad statistics

Leithlurker Sat 23-Mar-13 15:56:35


morethanpotatoprints Sat 23-Mar-13 16:00:39

I don't read it but will sign petition. Which is the guardian link, is it in the OP, don't want to open Daily Fail link.

kim147 Sat 23-Mar-13 16:06:20

This is a good article

"In her email, Ms Meadows describes her daily life after her gender reassignment was reported. “I became pretty good at avoiding the press before Christmas. I live about a three-minute walk from school as they were parked outside my house as well as school. I’m just glad they didn’t realise I also have a back door.

“I was usually in school before the press arrived and stayed until late so I could avoid them going home. I know the press offered parents money if they could get a picture of me… Many parents have been quite annoyed with the press too, especially those that were trying to give positive comments but were turned away,” she said.

However, she seems optimistic about the future. “I do just want to get on with things but the more I talk to (and deal with) people the more I find myself wanting to do something to rectify gaps in people’s knowledge and understanding on LGBT issues and combat bigotry and prejudice.

“I do hope that times really are changing; it’s nice to think that one day in the near future issues like this will be in the past… I guess I started out just wanting to be me and figured out each step I’d take at a time. Not everything has gone the way I wanted but things have fallen into place one way or another and I am happy where I am at the moment. The guidance I have had from the trans community has been generally sound and very appreciated and I’d like to be able to say I have given something back.

“I suppose the best way for me to do this would be educate the people around me and children at school – I am a teacher after all!” "

I can relate so much to the last few paragraphs and am determined to see her legacy lives on so her death is not in vain.

Being trans is so complicated - you have so many issues going on and are full of emotions. Transitioning is difficult without all the publicity Lucy suffered. But you have no choice in the matter.

Leithlurker Sat 23-Mar-13 16:30:01

I was very fortunate to meet and work with some very young LGBT people a while back, they came and took part in a community event and brought the whole thing to life. The danger of articles like LittleJohns published in hate filled papers like the mail is that many people will se the effect on this woman and will either consider themselves to be freaks and "wrong", or they will hide, evade, and deny their true selves leading damaged and unhappy lives. As you say Kim if a choice existed no one would choose to be different, no one makes the choice to live a life that is made more difficult by who they are or what they feel themselves to be. Bastards like those that publish, write for, and read, hate filled chip wrappers would like everyone to be the same, thank fuck were not and thank fuck we have people like Kim and those lgbt youngsters I spoke of.

LandofTute Sat 23-Mar-13 16:39:05

I never buy the vile newspaper and this will make me more determined not to open links to articles that people post from the Mail. Why people imagine it is a good site to get news from is beyond me. They must be very gullible.

LandofTute Sat 23-Mar-13 16:41:19

Gullible or as hate filled as the newspaper i suppose.

MardyBra Sun 24-Mar-13 09:55:38

"Gullible or hate filled"

Or there's a third option of apathy. People who don't necessary agree with it but read it for the gossip, pics and general interest stories.

kim147 Sun 24-Mar-13 13:58:38

This blog summarises the anger at the moment. I don't blame the DM for Lucy's death. Nor the media. But I am angry at the way the media report trans issues and target what is already a very vulnerable group.

Roisin Sun 24-Mar-13 14:34:03
DeepRedBetty Sun 24-Mar-13 14:39:22

Done Roisin

Anyone any ideas on how I can wean DM off the DM?

teatrolley Sun 24-Mar-13 15:35:58

This is so horribly sad. How was this in any way news? It's something personal that people around her were aware of, just as they might be aware that another teacher is pregnant or another caught their wife cheating with another man. It's nothing that belongs in a newspaper or warrants someone being followed around by journalists and photographers.

People have little sympathy for the famous who are stalked by the media, even when it obviously crosses boundaries eg topless photos of Kate Middleton taken with a long lens on a private estate were apparently fair game according to many posters on here because she took her top off with the nearest strangers over half a mile away. They forget that if this happens to the wealthy and powerful with solicitors and private security, what chance do the general public have?

This is the reality of what the media can do to ordinary people. The landlord of a murder victim was plastered all over the papers with insinuations that he was somehow involved and the settlement money they had to pay him won't undo the damage. Now a woman who was just living her life, a teacher, has been targeted with the worst consequences.

NicholasTeakozy Sun 24-Mar-13 15:48:06

Thank you for that link Kim, it was beautifully furious.

I've signed the petition too Roisin

TiggyD Mon 25-Mar-13 22:27:56

The sumofus petition is currently on 160,000 signatures.

The editor of the mail, Paul Dacre, can be contacted at -

TiggyD Wed 27-Mar-13 19:49:13

A great article in the Guardian. click here

Petition now up to 200,000.

TheBigJessie Wed 27-Mar-13 20:12:56

201,570. Should go up shortly- I, and all my friends, are liberal hippies!

Paintingrainbowskies Wed 27-Mar-13 20:28:51

Thank you for raising awareness to this, I've just deleted the DM app from my ipad. Ashamed to say I would never ever buy it but didn't think twice about the app because its free. I liked the celeb trashy stories but you are absolutely correct that I give a cursory glance to the odd story and it could be something that could ruin a life.


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