To spend money on visiting a clairvoyant?

(201 Posts)
Losingexcessweight Wed 20-Mar-13 07:50:15

I ve always been interested in having readings done on money, relationships, future etc.

I had a reading done around 6 years ago, the guy that did it wasnt very good. He didnt pick up on my father dying when i was a child.

Dh says he doesnt believe in this kind of thing, and its a load of rubbish.

I have an appointment with a local lady today. Shes £35 and the reading lasts for as long as you like.

So am i being unreasonable in spending my money on this?

And if you have had a reading done before, will you please share your experience with me?

smile

crazycanuck Wed 20-Mar-13 07:54:58

Sorry, I'm with your DH on this. Total load of rubbish. But it's your money and your decision how you spend it!

Euphemia Wed 20-Mar-13 07:55:51

Your money, your choice how to waste spend it.

ginmakesitallok Wed 20-Mar-13 07:56:18

Load of nonsense and waste of money in my opinion

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Wed 20-Mar-13 07:56:43

I think you are, but I know a lot of people believe in it.

I just think they throw out really random stuff and you actually feed them the information.

I went to a group thing once and the woman was throwing stuff out that you could interpret to fit practically everyone and people were falling over themselves to give her information.

And I think even when you think you're not - your body language gives you away. Widening of the eyes, leaning forward, tensing, tilt of the head, etc. All clues that tell them if they're on the right track or not.

cozietoesie Wed 20-Mar-13 07:59:00

It's interesting to have someone concentrating on you for an hour or more - but probably more productive to think about why you need it?

Losingexcessweight Wed 20-Mar-13 07:59:22

Imtoohecksy

Dh says exactly what you say

Flisspaps Wed 20-Mar-13 07:59:58

I can see that today you are going to spend some money, around £30-40. perhaps naively, on something that many will is a waste of time. I'm hearing that you should save your cash and go and get on with your day, finances intact.

There you are, I've told you what's going to happen, can I have £35?

GetOrf Wed 20-Mar-13 08:00:36

I think it is pernicious rubbish.

It's your money, and god knows I can waste 35 quid in minutes on nonsense, but I worry that people end up depending on what clairvoyants say.

I am a bit worried at the moment about my mil who is recently bereaved (fil died in November) who was taken to a clairvoyant by her niece. She has found comfort from it but I cannot help thinking it's bollocks and a complete con, yet I can't say anything as I love my mil and don't want to hurt her.

vix206 Wed 20-Mar-13 08:02:22

It's all a load of rubbish but no you're not being unreasonable. You can spend your money however you choose smile

inde Wed 20-Mar-13 08:05:22

Before you waste spend your hard earned cash I would spend a bit of time on the internet researching cold reading. Rationalwiki is a good place to start.

weegiemum Wed 20-Mar-13 08:05:41

I think it's rubbish, and if you make decisions based on it, potentially dangerous rubbish.

Why not spend the £35 getting you nails done, or on a nice lunch out with a friend. That would make you feel equally good!!

Suzieismyname Wed 20-Mar-13 08:06:15

it's a waste of money. I have been to see one twice and it's a load of tosh! He got my personality spot on but nothing he predicted has come true. Didn't pick up on my dead father either and when I compared his inner/outer personality readings with what he said to a close friend it was so similar. We are very different but he kept it vague enough to apply to both of us. I only went for 'scientific research'.
we both recorded our readings and when we listened back he mentioned 5 careers that I would be great at. a con!!

marzipananimal Wed 20-Mar-13 08:06:56

Either it's all a load or rubbish, or it's real. If its real don't you think it could be dangerous? Where do they get these 'powers' from?

OnwardBound Wed 20-Mar-13 08:09:08

I have had a few readings.

I have found some to be more accurate than others in terms of past and future events. But all have been quite insightful in terms of what was happening for me in the here and now, ie re relationships, career, family, etc.

I think if you go with the expectation that it will be a fun or interesting experience which is focused on you (so in a sense like a supportive counsellor) then anything else will be a bonus.

I have found all my readings to be helpful and they have enabled me to get some perspective on issues and gain another viewpoint.

The most profound perhaps was this bloke Alan that I saw in Chiswick a few years back. He told me that I worried about my Mum and her health but not to worry, that she was as strong as an ox. And that I would be going to Australia for Christmas (where DM lives). At the time this sounded like complete rubbish and I was disappointed. I just said mmm and uh-huh but I didn't recognise what he said at all, my Mum was in fine health, I didn't worry about her and I had no plans to travel to Australia for Christmas (too expensive that time of year especially at short notice).

However fast forward a couple of months to November and I discovered DM had quite a serious form of cancer which Drs thought had spread. I made plans to travel to Aus for Christmas to support Mum post surgery. It transpired that the surgery removed all the cancer and it hadn't spread. DM made a full recovery and 7 years on is still as 'strong as an ox'.

Good luck with your reading Losing. Come back here and tell us all about it after!

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 08:10:06

You've got more money than sense.

Sorry but I always think that people who believe in this stuff are a bit simple.

myroomisatip Wed 20-Mar-13 08:11:07

YANBU

I actually have had readings and was amazed at how accurate they were.

Have you considered going to a Spiritualist Church?

fluffyraggies Wed 20-Mar-13 08:12:35

Don't go.

I used to do readings - i never charged.

Listen to the people who have posted already.

99.99999999999% of people charging for readings are fake, know they are fake, and are at best just going to just feed you allot of wishy washy nothingness for your £35.

headlesslambrini Wed 20-Mar-13 08:16:19

Your money, your choice. ive had several readings done and some of what they said have come true and other bits havent. i do believe in this as one of the readings all i did was sit there. literally did not say a word and i was very careful with my body language etc. alot of what she said came true. just be careful on who you pick and go on word of mouth.

hermioneweasley Wed 20-Mar-13 08:17:26

James Randi has a $1m prize for anyone who can demonstrate psychic powers which can't be replicated by someone doing (for example) a cold reading. The prize remains unclaimed.

I think that gives you your answer.

If you want an hour for you with someone concentrating on you I would do as others suggest and spend the money on having a massage etc.

OnwardBound Wed 20-Mar-13 08:18:50

Thanks Buddy, but I'm not that simple, truly.

I have a degree, a professional career and seem to cope reasonably well in everyday life.

But I do believe that some people are more sensitive or have more developed psychic awareness than others.

And if seeing a clairvoyant gives you some support or comfort, so what of it?

Although I do think you also have to take it with a pinch of salt and use some common sense, hence not necessarily believing everything you are told without running it through your own bullshit detector.

But really £35 is not a massive amount to spend on entertainment, if that is all it is. Some people spend that down the pub or on concert tickets. Whatever floats your boat really.

MrsPennyapple Wed 20-Mar-13 08:25:40

Some friends of mine went to one of those group things, they had no direct contact with the clairvoyant before the thing started. When the clairvoyant was throwing stuff out there, she named our friend who had killed himself a few months previously. Surname, and not a particularly common one. Could be a random guess, might not be. If you can afford it, go, but try to remain open minded.

OnwardBound Wed 20-Mar-13 08:25:47

And agree with Headless. Go with word of mouth. Ime that is how you get the most accurate readings.

Perhaps some of those who say it's all rubbish have been to rubbish clairvoyants. A bit like some say all counselling is crap because they have been to someone they didn't click with, who is not a particularly insightful practitioner, or only did a weekend course as opposed to an intensive three/four year training.

I don't believe all counsellors or clairvoyants are crap though and have personally had experience of the good and not so good of each.

lottiegarbanzo Wed 20-Mar-13 08:26:30

If clairvoyants are so clever, why aren't they rich?

They'd only need to be able to predict the success of one or two people and buy shares in heir businesses. The fact they are still out touting at £35 an hour to scrape a living tells you a lot.

AngiBolen Wed 20-Mar-13 08:41:24

No more unreasonable than spending money on a night out, or some new clothes you don't really need. It's all entertainment.

I saw a clairvoyance once, she was spot on about my past, but not the future. I already knew about the past, so it wasn't very helpful.

DolomitesDonkey Wed 20-Mar-13 08:41:38

YABVU to cancel, she knows your coming and has already made plans for the cash.

DolomitesDonkey Wed 20-Mar-13 08:41:51

"your" coming? <runs away and weeps>

CuriousMama Wed 20-Mar-13 08:49:11

If it's fortune telling you want then yanbu. But if you wanted to link with loved ones you're better off going to a Spiritualist church. They usually have services on Sundays for a donation. Or you can book private sittings, all money goes to the church.

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 08:50:19

Nope. Sorry. If you believe in it then you're a bit simple. Lets look at the facts.

1) Nobody ever, anywhere has demonstrated any sort of psychic ability WHEN PROPERLY TESTED AND UNABLE TO CHEAT.

2) Plenty of people WHO ADMIT THEY'RE NOT PSYCHIC IN THE SLIGHTEST can replicate the hit rate - in fact often, surpass the hit rate - of people who claim to be psychic.

There are loads of other reasons of course (for instance most people massively misunderstand statistics and chance, and don't realise that what they consider "one in a million" really isn't.

But basically when it comes down to it the first two points are the most important.

Nancy66 Wed 20-Mar-13 08:52:00

They're for the stupid and the vulnerable.

Clairvoyants are now required by law to tell you that you should consider any reading you receive to be for entertainment purposes only.

fluffyraggies Wed 20-Mar-13 08:56:02

I don't think the fact you believe in something makes you simple at all.

Many things in the past have been pronounced ridiculous or unprovable by science - only to be subsequently accepted as fact. Earth flat or round being the most obvious.

I'm not saying the supernatural is going to be proven to be real one day - i am saying it is unreasonable to say someone is simple for believing in something which is yet to be proved by science.

Tailtwister Wed 20-Mar-13 08:56:31

Your money, your choice imo. As long as you're seeing it as just entertainment and don't take it seriously I don't see the harm.

I went with my friend to one years ago and she was told that her mother was in a lot of pain when she died (she passed away when my friend was a child). That upset her for years afterwards, even though she knew it was a load of rubbish.

OnwardBound Wed 20-Mar-13 08:58:07

Okay Buddy I bow down to your superior wisdom and experience.

But you know, science doesn't have the answers for everything.

And who knows, but just perhaps those being tested were deluded or manipulative souls who had no ounce of psychic ability.

Or perhaps the proper testing of which you speak is not conducive to working in this way. I imagine it might make the testees a little anxious and self concious which might put them off somehow?

But to dismiss those who say they have had interesting or worthwhile experiences of clairvoyance as simple is just ignorant and rude imo.

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 08:59:01

Lol I'd say its absolutely bonkers to believe in something there's no evidence for whatsoever!

You might as well announce you believe in yellow imps who live in your toilet roll holder.

Nancy66 Wed 20-Mar-13 09:01:38

I'm with Buddy on this.

There actually HAVE been experiments that have proved that it's (at best) a load of old waffle and at worst - manipulative, exploitative fraud

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 09:01:57

Lol lol @ the idea that the fact that testees always fail is the fault of the tests! <grin>

Classic.....

Badvoc Wed 20-Mar-13 09:03:11

Perhaps spending the money on an hour with a counsellor would be more beneficial?
I have real issues with these people. I think they prey on the vulnerable and tell them what the want to hear.
Derren brown did a very good programme in cold reading - which is what they do - and the people on the show were shown to be utter frauds.
We all need someone to listen occasionally in a min judgemental way...which is why I suggest you look into counselling.

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 09:07:55

I think they're scum TBH.

ThePavlovianCat Wed 20-Mar-13 09:08:41

I agree with Badvoc in that I think they manipulate and take advantage of the vulnerable.

And do they ever tell you your future or just cold read you and tell you what you already know? If they do tell you the future what are you going to do with that information - if it's good then ok although doesn't it spoil the surprise , if it's bad then isn't it just going to worry you in advance despite the fact it's bollocks ?

fluffyraggies Wed 20-Mar-13 09:09:25

badvoc - yes exactly.

It doesn't mean people are simple to want to believe though.

Personally i'm on the fence. My common sense says there's nothing in it, but i've had experiences as a reader that i cant explain. Hence giving it up!

I think clairvoyants and mediums are just manipulative snakes who prey on vulnerable people. They probably convince themselves of their gifts an' all but at bottom they're no better than loan sharks and they're all going straight to hell.

My cousin's just married one actually. She's set up some kind of gypsy caravan affair in their garden and invites people in to speak to their dead family. She's teaching their 7yo son about how dead people hang around to pass on messages hmm

That's aimed at people who take money from desperate grieving people by the way.

OnwardBound Wed 20-Mar-13 09:12:19

Buddy, you have very strong, black and white opinions on this.

Perhaps we just have to agree to disagree.

But I still think to say clairvoyants are scum and people who go to them are simple is more than a little rude.

fluffyraggies Wed 20-Mar-13 09:13:52

And pavlov yes, people look for credibility in a reader by their ability to tell them what has already happened.

What people want though, is a window into what is going to happen. Or a connection with a loved one passed over.

It's a huge responsibility taking on a persons hopes and fears like this. IME even the most sceptical sitter, coming in for a laugh, will often, deep down, take what they are told very seriously.

Most people are very vulnerable in this situation.

Of course YANBU - it is your money and you can do with it what you like.

I am open minded, have been to a few readings, some good, some bad. Just don't hang onto every word they say - take a pad and write stuff down as some stuff they tell you may not be applicable now but will mean something a while down the line.

I have one thing about me that every single reading I have ever had pick up on hmm

What do you know about the Clairvoyant? That is pretty expensive for a reading. Have others recommended them?

I wouldn't go and see anyone who someone else hadn't checked out first. You go on positive word of mouth. I only saw one years and years ago and she gave me a cassette tape. Not much made a lot of sense at the time apart from she got my future husband's name right first time (i'd just met him) but then i listened to the tape a couple of years later and it was pretty spot on, even naming a boss i was friendly with at the time who i ended up getting a transfer away from after a big fall out!

I have heard of one who is supposed to be excellent and she no whre near charges that amount.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ginmakesitallok Wed 20-Mar-13 09:16:14

But why on earth would you pay someone to tell you what has happened in your life and what was going on now??? Surely you already know that stuff?

I had a go at giving cold readings for fun once, because I've always enjoyed sitting in the background and watching people and their interactions to each other.

It's surprisingly easy to make people believe you are incredibly accurate.

scottishmerlottish Gypsies are no more accurate than anyone else. I ad a gypsy come to the door selling some lovely lace stuff and I bought some. As she left she said to me I'd get married soon and have 4 lovely sons.

Well, DP and I are 26 years into our relationship and marriage was never on the cards, and I have a DD and DS and do not intend to have any more.

Bunbaker Wed 20-Mar-13 09:22:11

A workmate went to see a clairvoyant who told her it would take a long time for her to get pregnant. She was 5 months pregnant at the time grin

I would far rather spend the money on something more permanent like some new clothes or make-up. Shallow and vain, moi!

WorraLiberty Wed 20-Mar-13 09:27:11

It really is a load of rubbish but cleverly worded so most of what they say, could apply to you in some way.

It could also apply to everyone else...

I've seen video footage of events at Spritualist churches. Watching them, it's obvious that those giving the readings, etc are as adept at cold reading as any other "clairvoyant"

Nancy66 Wed 20-Mar-13 09:30:11

This is a rough transcript of what a psychic said to me

PSYCHIC: 'Someone is in trouble with the police aren't they?'

ME: 'I can't think of anyone.'

PSYCHIC: 'i can see the police very clearly here.'

ME: 'can't think what that is.'

PSYCHIC: 'It could be a family member who is in the police force'

ME: 'none of my family are in the police'

PSYCHIC: (getting more desperate) 'They may not be in the police now it could be that they are thinking of joining.'

ME: 'Again, I can't think who that would be.'

PSYCHIC: (getting really pissed off now) 'When I say "in trouble with the police" it doesn't necessarily mean something serious like a murder. It could be something less serious.'

ME: 'Still not ringing any bells'

PSYCHIC: 'It could even be something like a parking ticket. Perhaps the uniform I'm seeing is a traffic warden. Have you had a parking ticket recently? '

Me: No

PSYCHIC: 'That's it then. That's what they're trying to tell me, you're going to be getting a parking ticket shortly...they want me to warn you.'

MoodyDidIt Wed 20-Mar-13 09:30:14

actually i saw one a few years ago and she was spookily accurate

i was pg but only about 12 weeks and not showing (and i hadn't told her) . she said i was pg and would be having a boy. she also said i was in an unhappy relationship, also that the baby would come early. she then said i would get a job in healthcare but it wouldn't work out. that would meet an older man and have more children, and that i would end up self employed.

everything was spot on, as the baby WAS a boy, he was early due to planned cs, i was very unhappy with ex, and i split with ex when ds was a baby and fell madly in love with (now) DH who is 10 years older, then i trained as a nurse for a while but couldn't hack it, dh and i had dd who is 3 now, and now i am pg with DC3, and....self employed.

People remember tha things that they feel have come true, and forget anything "predicted" that doesn't.

How often have you felt something was a coincidence? Something that happened at the same time as something else, for example. You think it's spooky, but forget the million and one times that the two thingshaven't happened at the same time.

I don't deny that there is a possibility that what we call physic powers do exist, after all humans use at most 20% of their brain power so there's a lot of brain power apparently unused all the time.

But I reckon 99.9% of all people doing this commercially are fake.

twooter Wed 20-Mar-13 09:40:46

Moody, just out of interest, do you think any of your plans were swayed by being told that previously by the psychic?

I mean when you met DH, did you think this must be the one BECAUSE he was older.

( I would want to see one, but haven't got the bottle) I do wonder if people change their lives to match.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

badguider Wed 20-Mar-13 09:45:32

I think that it's a load of rubbish in terms of clairvoyance but I think it probably appeals because it's nice to take an hour to think about your life and what you want from it, your hopes and your dreams.

I personally would rather do that in a way that doesn't involve deception though - go to a life coach or a meditation class or something.

Losingexcessweight Wed 20-Mar-13 09:47:58

Hi all, thanks for the replies.

Some of the things that have been mentioned have made me think, like, why aren't they rich if they are good etc?

I'm not going for spiritual really, I'm going because I'm worried about afew things etc. The things I'm worried about, aren't guess work IMO. I don't feel they can relate to just anybody.

The lady did ask for my date of birth when I booked her on the phone.

INeverSaidThat Wed 20-Mar-13 09:49:33

Gosh there are a lot of psychic related posts just recently.

Anyhow, I wouldn't go because psychic's talk a load of bullshit. They can not see anything. It's all complete rubbish.

Personally, if I had £35 to spend on myself I would have a massage or a manicure or I would go out for a nice meal with my friends. I would not give it to a charlatan.

scottishmerlottish You might be surprised to know that some people can tell if a woman is pregnant from very early on, even as early as 4-6 weeks when it isn't showing. I know someone like this and she said she can't explain it easily but it has something to do with how a pregnant woman "looks".

No, I didn't understand that when she said it either, but like I said she can't really explain it but has a very high accuracy rate. She does say it's based on physical looks, and isn't any form of clairvoyance.

Nancy66 Wed 20-Mar-13 09:51:28

Losing - if she has your name and DOB then she will be able to look you up.

Happy, fulfilled people don't go to psychics - troubled ones do - and psychics know this. It's mostly women that visit them and most have the same set of concerns/issues - so it's not that big a stretch to work out what they are.

gonerogue Wed 20-Mar-13 09:51:55

I know it's mostly all rubbish, but my Mum used to go to them all the time. Good and bad according to her. There was an old lady who she used to visit socially with my Dad, and they would give her poitin. (Maybe it was the poitin).

Anyway the most memorable thing that she told them was to my Dad. She said "Another woman will have a son for you" which of course my parents completely disbelieved and laughed off. Until the next year when they got a call from social services saying that my aunt had had a baby boy and as she was an alcoholic they wouldn't let her keep him, so she wanted my parents to adopt him.

So true or not, that was unbelievably uncanny. But as most pp have said, it's your money to spend as you wish. I would never, despite my mum having done so.

Losingexcessweight Wed 20-Mar-13 09:54:58

She didn't ask for my address, or surname, but if she did ask for my surname it is very common so there would be loads of people with my name etc.

I think I'm going for reassurance etc

Losing Here's an idea. You could google yourself based on the info, ie name and DOB, that you've given to her.

See what comes up and keep a copy or some notes.

Then go to reading and have fun seeing how much of what she tells you is stuff you've found on the web. Or if it's stuff that could be easily deduced from your web findings.

grin Reckon most of what you hear will be from that.

IntheFrame Wed 20-Mar-13 09:57:00

Buy your own tarot pack and a book and have a go yourself.

I was amazed at that accuracy when I was facing a tough decision. And yes the same cards did come up a lot in answer to the same question.

Now I have them I do them every now and again and it helps sort out your ideas.

Well, dont let her know what you are worried about, and do as little small talk as possible. In fact say nothing at all.

Tell her, "I am not here to talk, but to listen to YOU" And smile.

Watch her fire her random blanks and see how many you can catch!

At least turn it into an entertaining game for yourself.

You are more likely to get a good outcome if you go to a priest, tell him your worries, and let him pray for you.

My sister, despite her ability to get glimpses of things to come, has never ever been able to change the outcome. Make of that what you want....

Fakebook Wed 20-Mar-13 09:57:50

I wouldn't do it. It will turn into an addiction.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

It's crap but I agree it's interesting crap.

But not so interesting that I would pay £35 for it.

I know so many people who have come back from seeing clairvoyants, raving about how accurate they are - then you listen to their recording of the reading and it is unbelievably vague - about ten mistakes for every 'hit', but people obviously only hear what they want to hear.

specialsubject Wed 20-Mar-13 10:10:10

you are worried and have concerns. How about talking those over with your life partner, not some random stranger who is deluded at best and a fraud at worst?

I do family history research and you can find out a LOT about strangers with their name and date of birth.

spend £35 on entertainment by all means, but don't give it to a crook.

inde Wed 20-Mar-13 10:11:56

Pretty well all of the well known psychics have been caught hot reading where they research someone before hand. In one case a sceptic deliberately fed information to Sally Morgan about someone who had died in a bomb explosion. She then recited the information almost word for word in one of her shows to him. Unfortunately for her the information wasn't taken from real life but was the plot of a tv programme that was on in the seventies.
This is how they can sometimes get things spot on whereas mostly they feed vague information through cold reading. They rely on people remembering the hits but forgetting the many misses.
www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/06/sally-morgan-best-loved-psychic

Luckily, there's very little about me in my real name on the web other than my birth records. I keep stuff about me locked down. Someone would have to know my MN nickname to get any clues about my private life.

dawntigga Wed 20-Mar-13 10:14:56

YANBU to spend your money how you want as long as you don't get into debt YABU if you think it's actually going to be anything except somebody who is very good at cold reading people.

It's all bollocks.

AndI'mARavingPaganTiggaxx

inde Wed 20-Mar-13 10:20:04

Specialsubject said I do family history research and you can find out a LOT about strangers with their name and date of birth
.
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F7pYHN9iC9I

grin

Losingexcessweight I am actually a little bit psychic and will give you a reading for free...

You have a great need for other people to like and admire you. You have a tendency to be over-critical of yourself - particularly you worry about your appearance.

You have a great deal of unused capacity which you have not turned to your advantage. Disciplined and self-controlled outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing.

You have a certain amount of insecurity and are looking for reassurance or proof of something bigger out there. You do have somebody watching over you, as we all do, and this person was very close to you when you were a child.

That was a freebie on me smile

Nagoo Wed 20-Mar-13 10:30:38

Losing, you don't need to pay £35 for reassurance.

Post on here and lovely MNers will help you with practical advice and lovely hugs free of charge smile

SanityClause Wed 20-Mar-13 10:31:43

DH went to a clairvoyant about 10 years ago.

She had a reputation for being freakily accurate, and there were some things she was very accurate about. She said we would have a son. At this stage, we thought our family was complete. I was using the Mirena coil. Nonetheless, I fell pregnant with (ta-dah!) a son.

So that was a bit woo.

But, I think overall it was a negative experience. I think, particularly for the first couple of years after, if a situation arose which she had mentioned, we would act in the way she had suggested that we would. So, we were a bit fatalistic, and let her influence our decisions.

I wouldn't have gone to see a clairvoyant, then, as I am very sceptical of these things. And I am even more anti now, than I was before.

Buzzardbird Wed 20-Mar-13 10:41:14

Is it so easy to give people a 'reading' it's bullshit. I freaked someone out one night that I had never met before and he still wouldn't believe me that I didn't know him or any of his friends when I explained how easy it was to make assumptions about him.
I used to have a friend that spent hundreds of pounds on these just because she couldn't make her own decisions in her relationship. She never got the 'magic' answer she was looking for.
I think in a lot of people's cases a good friend who they can talk to is what they actually need, not giving money to strangers for doing the same thing.
It has been proved over and over again that it is a trick but sadly an expensive one for people that just need a bit of sensible advice.

Most of the people in that vid are the younger ones who play out their lives online. I don't do internet banking, have the most basic info about me on FB (and privacy on highest setting), Twitter is anonymous and rarely used, and apart from MN don't use any forum. Electoral roll entry is edited for the public version.

You could possibly tell I live in a certain town, and have child who once went to a certain school where I was a parent governor, from googling my name. You certainly tell who my employer was and how long for(Linkedin). But otherwise hardly anything comes up. There were 5 entries directly relating to me when I googled.

ThePavlovianCat Wed 20-Mar-13 10:44:39

The Forer effect - statements that sound specific and individual but actually are very general

We all watch people and make judgements/assumptions about them all the time, often not consciously. And some people are consciously better at this than others.

Buzzardbird Wed 20-Mar-13 10:48:56

You're going to have a baby 50% chance of being right,
You're going to have a boy 50% chance of being right,
The baby will come early 50% chance of being right,
Your husband will be older than you 98% chance of being right,
You will travel this year 98% chance of being right
You know someone who has passed who's name begins with R...
You only need to get 2 of these right to look like you are accurate.

When I had just left secondary and was about to embark on Uni, my cousin took me to meet with his friend and some other mates. This happened to be the Popular Boys in town, and I found myself driving around with them of an evening, they were not my type at all. I was in a "different group" of sort of gothy nerds who thought we were very alternative and Big Individuals. Anyway.

My cousin suddenly said "My cousin is psychic you know". I thought WTF is he on about, but decided to play along, so I said to this boy, Ray, "It is true." He asked me to prove it. I told him "There is this girl. She is very important to you. Let me think. She is not local. She lives far away and is really thinking about you. I can see sheep. Hang on, and a pair of knitted wool socks".

confused

He looked ash faced, totally freaked out. "OMG, Julie in New Zealand. I met her on a student exchange. I gave her a pair of hand knitted Norwegian wool socks."

hmm

He flew out to New Zealand the following week. And there was I picturing a neigbhouring island to our town, and the local sheep farmers. How could I possibly know that the island in his mind, and the sheep were across the blardy planet?

Not sure whether he married this Julie or not, as I moved to London. Anyway....

Back to the OP.

People take from these readings what they want, regardless of what the "claire voyant" is thinking. They give a skeleton or an empty room, and you furnish it!

Losingexcessweight Wed 20-Mar-13 11:11:05

I don't know .... Hmmm I guess I ll just have to wait and see, appointment is later this afternoon.

I know some clairvoyants have over a 6 month waiting list.

Pandemoniaa Wed 20-Mar-13 11:15:20

I'd look at it like this. If you have £35 that was going so spare that you could burn it then sure, give it a go. But I still suspect you will be wasting the money and not get whatever vague reassurance you want. I say this as someone who is fairly woo themselves too. But don't start relying on clairvoyance as a regular method of sorting your life out.

Cherriesarelovely Wed 20-Mar-13 11:17:36

I had an amazing phone reading once. The woman said, your Grandad Bob is waving to you wearing his navy uniform and next to him is his mother Annie and sister Nell. How could she possibly have known that about when she only knew my first name? Some people do have a gift for this, I definitely believe that.

Agree with onward science does not have the answers to everything in the same way that medicine doesn't either.

Losingexcessweight Wed 20-Mar-13 11:18:27

I ve not had a reading for 6 years. It's definitely not going to be a regular thing.

I'm hoping to get more out of it than a vague reading.

I'm expecting her to pick up on some specific stuff.

Losingexcessweight Wed 20-Mar-13 11:19:16

Cherries

That's the kind of similar accuracy that I'm after

seeker Wed 20-Mar-13 11:21:39

If people one understood properly about probability and coincidence there would be far fewer "true believers"

I'd vote for the party that promised to have that taught in schools!

Acandlelitshadow Wed 20-Mar-13 11:23:40

I'm with your dh but it's your money to waste.

I think there's a lot of clever fishing for info, pouncing on clues and reading of suckers clients involved

hermioneweasley Wed 20-Mar-13 11:24:52

Losing - it's not real. If you are worried about something then this person has no insight or gift to help you. Spend the money on a counsellor instead.

Cherriesarelovely Wed 20-Mar-13 11:25:07

I know what you mean seeker. My DP actually wanted the reading and then suggested I have a reading too. I was sceptical. Having a phone reading seemed even weirder. However, I think getting my Grandad's name correct, plus that of his mother and sister plus the fact that he was in the navy is pretty extraordinairy don't you? It didn't make me believe in ALL psychics but I do think some are gifted. Have never had a reading since mind you but would like to.

boxershorts Wed 20-Mar-13 11:26:36

no to clare Voyant. There are more sensible ways of having a chat with someone

seeker Wed 20-Mar-13 11:27:15

Cherry, you will find that she had some sort of background information. Either that or she's be happily living on James Randi's million bucks by now.

Cherriesarelovely Wed 20-Mar-13 11:28:44

How Seeker? She had our phone number and my first name?

Cherriesarelovely Wed 20-Mar-13 11:29:21

Plus I didn't even know the name of my maternal great grandmother. I had to ask my mum afterwards!

boxershorts Wed 20-Mar-13 11:30:15

In that case it is fraud. But difficult to prove

inde Wed 20-Mar-13 11:30:16

I had an amazing phone reading once.

Unfortuanately anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything to anybody who is sceptical about psychic abilities. As somebody said earlier in the thread, James Randi has been offering $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove their ability. The money has been their for the taking for years and it's still their.

seeker Wed 20-Mar-13 11:30:37

How did you find out about her? Did your dp have his reading first? How accurate was that? Have you got a recording so you can be sure that you didn't give her more information than you thought?

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 11:30:54

Not to mention all the QUESTIONS....

Who's B?
Oh that'll be my aunt Beryl!
Who's got a moustache?
Yep, Beryl again. Polycystic Ovaries. Wow you're good!!

inde Wed 20-Mar-13 11:31:18

Xposted with seeker.

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 11:35:56

Lets not forget also that the tests James Randi carries out are tailored to what the psychic claims to be able to do. They work together to decide on the method of testing and the criteria that would constitute a pass.

So making daft excuses saying things like "maybe they fail because they're nervous/get bad vibes" etc is kind of ridiculous.

Nancy66 Wed 20-Mar-13 11:36:42

Cherry - a phone number would have provided plenty of information.

valiumredhead Wed 20-Mar-13 11:39:51

What seeker said.

Derren Brown explains very clearly in his series how clairvoyants work. No one has ever claimed James Randi's millions.

Take your money and throw it down the nearest drain.

Lueji Wed 20-Mar-13 11:41:22

Yes, YABU.

Next!

smile

I'll do one for free.
What do you want to know?

raisah Wed 20-Mar-13 11:42:51

you will be better off spending your money on counselling or life coach sessions. They maybe a more appropriate channel to address any long standing issues that you might have.

seeker Wed 20-Mar-13 11:43:14

You can buy some very delicious white wine with 35 quid- an evening with a good friend and 35 quid's worth of wine will do you far more good!

James Randi's test sets the bar extraordinarily low- and still nobody has been able to get over it.

Snowme Wed 20-Mar-13 11:43:22

I've been to a medium twice, but as it stands, I don't believe mediums communicate with the dead. I think they are just extraordinarily empathic people who can pick up on vibes.
You die, your electrical spark goes out, your brain is capable of such beautiful trickery, we all know it's like falling asleep and not waking up, there won't even be dreams. But mediums can convince you differently.
Considering humans are all electrical transceivers when you think about it (don't worry I'm not going all David Icke here) it could be rational to think we emit certain wavelength vibrations that are more easily accessed by mediums if their own chemical makeup is more sensitive to them.

My first time was to a medium as a child who said I would have problems with my legs when older. At that time, I was a six foot beanpole child with ridiculously long legs that were a distinctive physical feature, so she could have singled out something obvious.
Ive always remembered this and it occasionally freaked me out during my adult life as I was active and hiking/walking is my single greatest pleasure, so in that respect I was too young to be taken really to a medium.
I do have a problem with a leg, but not insurmountable, and I don't credit the reading because of this development.

The second time was at a spiritualist church my Mum took me to with a visiting clairvoyant.
There were about 100 of all ages there, adults and some older children. I was about 17 or 18 I think.
I'm poker faced by nature and don't give anything anyway.
But the medium picked me out and said, "I only have one thing to say to you: He said: Yes, of course he loves you".

My (step) Dad had died and I'd been concerned that I didn't know if he loved me or not.
Of course, that response is easily generalised and can apply to everyone in that room, but it meant something to me.
Also, my Mum was grief stricken and it would have showed on her face. She was there for answers. It's probably easy to recognise bereavement grief and someone can assume a middle aged Mum with her teenage daughter may well have just been widowed.

Ultimately, I think if you have a strong desire to see a medium or any kind of psychically interpretative service such as tarot cards, astrological chart, etc them you are looking for an answer somewhere, so one source is as good as another as long as it gives you what you need. I do believe we all have the answers we need already, but just need help seeing the wood for the trees.

There's better ways to waste some money, but if you're sold on it already, you'll pay yer dollah and take what you can from it anyway. What doesn't make sense you'll ignore, what makes sense you'll absorb.

I hope you find the answers you are looking for smile

raisah Wed 20-Mar-13 11:47:37

£35 x 10 sessions = £350
a lot ofmoney to spend on a clairvoyent. Spend it on something that will improve your life or treat yourself to a nice designer bag! :-)

KobayashiMaru Wed 20-Mar-13 12:45:42

There is a lot of bullshit on this thread. To clear up just a few:

1. no-one ever thought the world was flat. Its been known this couldn't be true from the earliest human history. This is because humans have eyes.

2. The "people only use 10/20% of their brains" thing is rubbish. We use all of our brains, obviously.

3. Clairvoyants are con artists and you give them the clues they need, whether you realise it or not.

landrover Wed 20-Mar-13 12:56:37

I dont think i believe in clairvoyants, but everybody knows that i am a little bit phsycic (how do u spell that?) I am always thinking of something or somebody and they will then ring. Something come sin to my head that will happen and does! Lots of "Feelings" Its strange isn't it? Thats been happening on and off for years x

fluffyraggies Wed 20-Mar-13 13:07:21

scottishmerlottish it's hard to briefly explain why i was put off doing readings without sounding more like an idiot than usual. I had a pack of tarot cards bought for me. It was a particularly beautiful deck and i took a great interest in the imagery and symbolism.

When the word got round that i was studying the tarot i got the inevitable multiple requests for readings. People came out of the woodwork! I was always very wary about doing readings though, for the reasons i've already said. I would agree only on the understanding that i was still learning and that it would be for free. A lighthearted thing.

In time, despite owning a few other decks, i found that only this original deck really 'worked' for me, and when i used it it would be scarily accurate with the answers and scenarios i read from it. Fair enough - but i never felt 'in control'. The last few readings i gave i actually found really disturbing. I found that no matter what trivial things my 'clients' were asking about, the cards would persue a different agenda. Usually much darker.

For one eg. repeated warnings of a young close female relative of the querent being in very imminent danger of death from something she was doing. Something secretive. Even a physical description came though. In this instance i was honest with the client about what kept coming up and she sadly confirmed that her little sister had a bad drug habit and the family had lost touch with her in the last few weeks sad Not very lighthearted.

This sort of thing kept happening in my readings. Clear accuracy - but no control.

The last straw came when a querent simply wanted to know if she was likely to be successful in her job hunt and my cards just kept on and on about an older family member dying soon sad sad I fudged through that one - gave encouraging noises and never read again.

I still think they are beautiful - but they stay in their box. I've since learned that this particular deck isn't recommended to beginners!
Sorry if it all sounds a bit wooo, but this is what i experienced.

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 13:07:50

It happens to loads of us. It's a phenomenon called "coincidence".

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 13:08:19

That was to land rover ^^

landrover Wed 20-Mar-13 13:22:26

Buddy you are being mean to me!!!!! grin Thats shattered all my illusions!

seeker Wed 20-Mar-13 13:32:36

Good. Illusions are just that. Illusions.

ruby1234 Wed 20-Mar-13 13:32:43

Years ago (40 or more) my Nana visited a 'Gypsy Rose Lee' type person at the seaside, as did my Nana's sister - they were thrilled with the information received.
They persuaded my (cynical) Mum to go too. The clairvoyant took one look at my Mum and said "I won't bother with you - you don't believe".

But was she pulling a cats-bum-mouth?

I could have read that! grin

seeker Wed 20-Mar-13 13:48:10

I think there might have been a bit of body language reading going on there!

KobayashiMaru
2. The "people only use 10/20% of their brains" thing is rubbish. We use all of our brains, obviously.

The information I have is that the percentage relates to conscious thought, the rest of the brain is used for all the autonomous functions. But scientists still have some mysteries to solve about how the brain actually works.

landrover
I dont think i believe in clairvoyants, but everybody knows that i am a little bit phsycic (how do u spell that?) I am always thinking of something or somebody and they will then ring. Something come sin to my head that will happen and does! Lots of "Feelings" Its strange isn't it? Thats been happening on and off for years x

I reckon it's coincidence, nothing more. It's easy to forget about all the times you've thought about someone and the phone doesn't ring for example. And if you think about a lot of people in a short space of time, it would be easy for one of those people to have called and you remember having thought about them, forgetting about those people you thought about at the same time who didn't ring.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Wed 20-Mar-13 14:17:24
ImTooHecsyForYourParty Wed 20-Mar-13 14:23:51

I once picked up my phone a second before it rang. My mum and sister said how did you KNOW?! you knew it was going to ring...

I thought I'd heard it ring. It hadn't.

But I am forever fishing it out of my bag because I thought I heard it ring. It just so happened that that one time, it happened to ring just after I'd picked it up. It doesn't mean I had foreknowledge that it was going to ring.

I also generally know who's ringing or texting. I will frequently say "oh, that'll be X" and most of the time I am right.

Again, no psychic ability. It's just that I have a friend who tends to text me at a certain time. I have another who will text me after we've net up. My mum used to ring me in the evening, the school would ring about 5 if I'd phoned earlier in the day about something, etc. You get to know people, your brain picks up on patterns, even if you're not conscious of it.

And, most importantly, you only remember those instances when you were right and instantly disregard and forget the many many MANY more times you were wrong.

KobayashiMaru Wed 20-Mar-13 14:26:01

FryOne, thats not true either. WE may have some mysteries to solve about the brain, but we know a huge amount about it.

CuriousMama Wed 20-Mar-13 14:27:55

Fluffy I agree with you about the Tarot. I don't charge for readings btw. I once gave a woman a reading and even picked up that she was moving to Egypt. Got the river Nile and allsorts of info. This woman was hardly known to me but had asked me to give her a reading when I was over in Spain. I did the reading without her there sat on the verandah and just wrote it all down then let her read it when she picked me up to go to her house for a cuppa, she deliberately hadn't told me anything at all as I asked her not to. She now asks me for advice occasionally but I'd never charge her. I'm a spiritualist and unless it was going to my church I wouldn't try to make money for myself. Tarot are a good tool but not something I like tbh.
When I do readings I have a habit of not looking at the person. Only like yes or no answers not information. If a reader asks too much then ask for your money back. (not that I charge of course) But they shouldn't need to ask you anything. I always get told by others (mediums) that I should give eye contact but I don't like to concentrate so much on the sitter more the information I get. A good friend and well established Clairvoyant, who also wouldn't try to make money out of it, told me to do as I like and take no notice of anyone telling me what to do.
I agree they should say it's for entertainment only. I also agree that there are a lot of very poor psychics around who do prey on individuals to make cash. I know a few very good ones but a lot who want to be good but aren't. They mean well and do try hard but they aren't very accurate. Also I have days when I can't do it for whatever reason, maybe I'm not well or have so much on my own mind. So if I were one of those making cash then I'd have to say I couldn't but I bet a lot still work when they shouldn't.
I hope you get a lot out of your reading. One good thing is you aren't limited about time. But please don't give too much away.

Scientists do know a lot about the brain, but there are still some very important questions they are still trying to solve, eg. how consciousness actually works, as they feel there is no one part of the brain that has overall control. Or how the brain cells actually work together to form complex behaviours or disorders.

We are by no means fully aware of how the brain works, but I hope that one day the questions can be answered so things like Parkinson's can be cured.

GrumpyOldWomanToo Wed 20-Mar-13 14:38:21

As others have said, it's your money, your entertainment dollar, and how you choose to spend it is up to you.

That said, going to a psychic/clairvoyant/whatever does two negative things (1) you are helping to support a con artist, and (2) you are looking for "psychic guidance" rather than seeking support in rational ways. You could spend your £35 on a life coach, or a financial counsellor, or some other form of support.

But like I said, it's your money.

I really want to know now what happened with Quint's cousins friend and Julie from New Zealand...

mungotracy Wed 20-Mar-13 14:40:32

If you cant afford 35 quid then YES your being unreasonable....if you can....does it make a difference? Whether or not i personally believe the bunkum makes no difference to you....

I like the web page on the cold reading technique. I might even have some fun and practice that! grin

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 14:52:13

The book that Derren Brown describes as " the definitive book on cold reading" is written by Ian Rowland and when I'm rich I shall buy it. It's meant to be fascinating.

Those techniques could be adapted to suit situations other than "clairvoyancy". I imagine they could be useful in persuading colleagues to do or believe things as well.

Tolliver - So would I actually! Its been 20 years! Maybe I should try find out...

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 15:03:20

A lot of "psychics" have a background in sales apparently.

My DH is in sales and its surprising (or not) that a lot of the techniques they're taught on training courses are the same or similar to the techniques cold readers use.

I stand by my opinion of them as scum.

They pretend to be in contact with people's DEAD LOVED ONES. In TV psychic Sally Morgans case she not only pretends to speak with dead children SHE MIMICS THEIR LITTLE VOICES.

How anyone can defend that is truly beyond me.

CuriousMama Wed 20-Mar-13 15:27:23

BuddyButters have you tried ordering the book from your library? Our library's small but I often order books and they get them from other libraries. Small fee of 35p in ours but often free to do.

Sally Morgan has a rather large ego and yes her mimicking is annoying. She's OTT.

Lueji Wed 20-Mar-13 15:44:42

But, fluffyraggies, do you know if your predictions became true?

Lueji Wed 20-Mar-13 15:45:43

Also mentioning that the Mentalist is one of my favourite tv shows. smile

Buzzardbird Wed 20-Mar-13 16:21:22

OP I for one would love to hear how you got on this afternoon?

I know I don't believe in it but if you have a problem I hope you manage to sort it out.

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 17:05:06

Annoying?! Mimicking the voices of dead children is merely annoying?!

Jesus.

Losingexcessweight Wed 20-Mar-13 17:14:35

Right update.......

I'm fuming!!! Really bloody ARGH!!

She s not what I thought she was, she only read tarot cards.

It wasn't that sort of reading I was after, she advertises that she does a mixture of things.

The cards she said represented money in them all, and overall happiness and that one of them was working with the homeless in the future.

I thought she could tell me things about me, not for me to work things from cards that were dealt.

Also the reading was suppose to be for as long as I wanted, but she told me after 40mins that she had to wrap this up as she had another client.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Wed 20-Mar-13 17:25:59

Did you really still go expecting that she would be able to see your life and your future?

I'm sorry. You must have some serious worries to be that desperate for reassurance.

Is there anyone you can confide in, get a listening ear, perhaps work out solutions with? (assuming it's things within your control)

INeverSaidThat Wed 20-Mar-13 17:26:24

Oh dear. sad

You will know what to do next time. (Dont go near anyone claiming to be a psychic)

I hope you argued about the cost. She is charging over £50 an hour at that rate. shock

CuriousMama Wed 20-Mar-13 17:28:14

Losingexcessweight you should've asked for your money back. So sorry she conned you.

Losingexcessweight Wed 20-Mar-13 17:38:55

I was expecting her to tell me things about myself.

Oh well

CuriousMama Wed 20-Mar-13 17:43:06

Had someone recommended her? She's raking it in isn't she?

BuddyButters Wed 20-Mar-13 17:43:27

Well I hate to say "I told you so but....

Did we learn a little lesson today? Hmmm?

Losingexcessweight Wed 20-Mar-13 17:57:55

No she wasn't recommended, I got her from yell.com

seeker Wed 20-Mar-13 18:03:09

That's what happens when you go to somebody random- if they are recommended they will have had the chance to pick stuff up from the person doing the recommending, so they are likely to be much more specific.

Losing
Why don't you stop and write down the things you want to know about yourself and why you want to know them?

What exactly did you hope to get out of today. Nobody knows yourself better than you.

My prediction for today was that you would find yourself £35 worse off.

Purplecatti Wed 20-Mar-13 18:35:25

I thought the whole thing was bunkum and booked a visit to a psychic to prove it to my hardcore believer friend.
The psychic laughed and described my whole family to a tee. Described my fancy dress outfit from the night before. And basically told me a whole bunch of spot on stuff I have no idea how she could have guessed.
So now I'm a bit in the middle. She had never met me before that reading or knew of me at all. And definitely not my deceased grandparents. It was weird.
Supposedly she's a bit famous now her name is Imbal or something similar.
And my friend is smug as smug can be damn her.

seeker Wed 20-Mar-13 18:38:34

Your friend took you along to see her, did she.......?grin

I think you have just prove the point about simple really. wink

<runs>

Purplecatti Wed 20-Mar-13 19:11:32

Nope. I booked it independently. Wanted all bases covered.
Still think it's bunkum just couldn't figure out how she did it

elastamum Wed 20-Mar-13 19:19:21

If you want to understand how clairvoyants work read Paranormality by Richard Wiseman. Its cheaper then £35 and a lot more interesting. He shows how a variety of paranormal situations are created and then gives you tips to do your own tricks grin

PopeBenedictsP45 Wed 20-Mar-13 19:23:57

I saw a brilliant short video about psychics and how they worked. They got people to give their credit card as they went in. People behind the scenes did some judicious googling and fed the psychic info through an earpiece.

The people were astonished that the psychic 'knew' they'd dressed as Spiderman last Halloween (Facebook), donated to charity (just giving etc) and knew their relatives names. A bit of an eye opener! Wish I could find the video...

Mynewmoniker Wed 20-Mar-13 20:07:31

Awww sad. Sorry you were conned OP. I would suggest you return and ask for your money back (she'll be expecting you grin) If she refuses ask for her business registration number as she should be registered...I bet you get your money back then.

Give the returned cash to a charity for the homeless...she predicted that didn't she?

Look for a BACP registered counsellor in your area and spend your money on sessions there instead. thanks

Wishing you all the best.

worley Wed 20-Mar-13 20:19:51

I went to a medium evening with a group of friends... I had a 1-2-1 reading and he knew about my being called to resus and finding the patient was a relative. he told me exactly who it was and the dr's mistake with them (they died) I don't know how he knew as things he knew happened I'd not told my family about.
generally I don't think I believe them.. but something's I don't know how they know..

fluffyraggies Wed 20-Mar-13 21:27:04

Lueji - i wasn't big on sweeping predictions, but yes, i got allot of feedback to say i'd been correct.

Tbh it was more the unsought 'observations', like the one about the younger sister in trouble, that unnerved me. They would come uninvited and on the occasions when i did reveal them to the querent it would always be the case that i was accurately describing in great detail a very real situation. Often a private and upsetting situation. Too much for me i'm afraid.

OP i am sorry you've been disappointed today. Without knowing exactly what you are seeking i would say it sounds like you are looking for quite specific help. I think it would take allot of £35's and allot of disappointments for you to work your way through enough advertising clairvoyants to find one who will be able to tell you what you need to know. Perhaps counceling would be a better option - more of a two way street?

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Thu 21-Mar-13 06:36:44

memory is a funny thing. What you think was said is often not what was said.

I bet that if these sessions were recorded and you watched them afterwards, you'd see exactly how they did it, as you watched yourself fill in blanks and give non verbal clues.

as it is, you simply don't remember how you led them.

and as for booked appointments. Well. Give me your name and a few hours and I could come up with bucket loads of stuff I'd have no way of knowing grin

seeker Thu 21-Mar-13 06:44:50

And remember that all "psychics" have a fantastic advantage before they start because if you go to one you are invested in making it work. So clients will bend over backwards to make the readings fit. The OP was very brave to come back and say she spent her money and it was rubbish- most of us would either not come back, or would manage to find something from the reading to justify going.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Thu 21-Mar-13 06:47:56

Absolutely, seeker.

I see a man here with white hair. bill or ben or...

BRIAN? brian? with grey hair?

yes, brian, that's right, his grey hair is shimmering in the light

ooooh, she was so accurate, she knew his name was brian and he had grey hair.

Lueji Thu 21-Mar-13 06:57:30

Fluffy,
It's hard to judge without having been there.
But it is possible that, yes, the cards about bad stuff kept coming out, but it's often the case that there are worrying issues in people's lives. People who are sick, who have died, who are in trouble.
And people who seek help from readings are more likely to have these issues in their lives, as they seek reassurance.

For example, sometimes it seems that my mother is a bit psychic, but I realise that often her inklings are triggered by little thing that maybe even she doesn't realise.

And people tend to remember more accurately some things, particularly emotionally charged events. Which is why at some point you'd be worried about the deck, although in all likelihood it was only about bad things about half of the time.

Jossysgiants Thu 21-Mar-13 07:44:33

I am interested in mediumship, consciousness and other such matters. I went to several tarot readers, psychics etc in my 20s and never had a good experience with any of them. In New York one particularly overt charlatan wanted me to give her 90 bucks a week to light candles to 'clean my aura' . That stopped me going again.

Having said that I don't agree that means that everyone who claims
Psychic ability is necessarily a charlatan. . There are some interesting medium experiments out there Julie Beischel for example- which I know people have argued over the design etc. However, still interesting. Rupert Sheldrake's work is also interesting - 'Dogs that Know When their owners are coming home'

sashh Thu 21-Mar-13 07:48:05

she named our friend who had killed himself a few months previously. Surname, and not a particularly common one.

So, something in the local paper that, even if it wasn't your friend, one of you would have read about.

scottishmummy Thu 21-Mar-13 07:52:18

You're being conned by a charlatan because merely by turning up she knows you gullible
She will be adept at extracting information,appearing to answer questions,and you want to believe this
I am afraid to say she's preying on your belief. You'd might as well throw away money

Lueji Thu 21-Mar-13 08:03:13

Dogs that Know When their owners are coming home
You do know that it's because they can hear and smell better than we can, right?
Most animals hear in different ranges than us.

scottishmummy Thu 21-Mar-13 08:06:09

Psychic dogs.oh christ live.you don't go much for book learnin do you
Canine smell,hearing is different range to human
Of course they know owner on way,they hear,smell

Lueji Thu 21-Mar-13 08:06:41

The fact is that until now nobody has collected prizes offered to people who demonstrate psychic habilities.

skepdic.com/randi.html

any takers from this thread? smile

Jossysgiants Thu 21-Mar-13 08:25:23

scottishmummy Obviously the author ( a former Cambridge fellow and well known biologist ) did consider the hearing and smell issues. He designed the experiments to rule out those factors.

scottishmummy Thu 21-Mar-13 08:27:48

Lol psychic dogs.behave.
Aye me nans budgie has a certain sense of knowing
Maybe a fine fellow could write book bout that.Joey the all wise budgie knows how you take your tea

Jossysgiants Thu 21-Mar-13 08:55:28

scottismummy I think psychic budgie has a nice ring to it. Enter him for Randi's prize. grin

Losingexcessweight Thu 21-Mar-13 09:36:00

She also said that in all the cards, it indicated money in all of them.

So I said "are they saying I need money?"

Yes she says

I look like this hmm as I'm not skint or scraping by etc.

She sees my reaction then says well it could mean you have money as your work is doing well.

She tells me that the cards only read 6 months ahead, no further.

I don't believe, waste of flaming money

Dh reaction why I got home?

Well you will believe in fairies won't you? grin

IntheFrame Thu 21-Mar-13 09:45:55

The one I went to predicted my future partner. I had gone to see her because I had no job, no home and was pregnant. A new partner was not anywhere on my mind as I was still in shock at the old one leaving!
No only did she predict I'd met him within a few weeks and she described his looks and his daughter. She also told me how I'd met him.
How can you predict that?

I am quite willing to agree that guessing the sex of my baby was a lucky 50/50 guess (and that of my SIL who was PG at the same time).

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Thu 21-Mar-13 09:59:40

I was once told by someone who claimed to have Powers that I'd have 3 children but never marry.

I got married and had 2 children.

someone came to the door trying to flog me crystals hmm and spotted I was pregnant and told me I was going to have a girl. Nope, I said, it's a boy. She then tried to tell me the scan was wrong. Reader, I give you my son...

and one time my husband was in the pub and the upstairs room had been hired by a clairvoyant for a performance. She tried to engage him in conversation and he turned to her and said "how many pints am I going to have?"

She stalked off.

You'd have thought she'd have been able to see that he was going to take the piss...

DolomitesDonkey Thu 21-Mar-13 10:07:42

Can anyone beat this?

I stood face to face with a woman who claimed to be psychic. I was 28 weeks pregnant. I had to tell her. grin

Nancy66 Thu 21-Mar-13 10:31:44

Losing - did she deliver the legal disclaimer about how it should be regarded as being for entertainment purposes only?

shinyrobot Thu 21-Mar-13 10:37:19

I gave cold readings for an event once. Won't go into details as don't want to out myself but I still have people saying how my predictions came true years after the event, several are convinced that I have a psychic talent, or the ability to speak to ghosts, or whatever they are, that I was unaware of grin

I do not, of course, have any such 'talent'.
People certainly do seem to remember the (few) hits and forget the (many) misses.

complexnumber Thu 21-Mar-13 10:43:05

I wonder how many of the posters on here who are dismissing all this stuff as bunkum and based upon no evidence etc, are same people who say you should 'trust your instincts'?

seeker Thu 21-Mar-13 10:50:05

I think you should listen to your instincts while trusting your reason.

Some psychics use their "instincts"- that is, they read body language and pick up subtle cues and so on. The problem is that they are pretending it's something else, fooling people and charging for it.

Because "instincts" is shorthand for all your experiences, all the small things you see but don't consciously notice, etc, that add up and from which you make a judgement. Nothing to do with being psychic.

INeverSaidThat Thu 21-Mar-13 10:52:53

I think you should trust your instincts in some situations but i know there is no such thing as psychic powers. I don't believe in fairies, or ghosts etcetc. It's all made up nonsense.

seeker Thu 21-Mar-13 10:56:29

I think telling people to trust their instincts above sense or reason often makes people do really stupid things, frankly. Most people have an instinctive feeling that any plane they are getting on is going to crash, for example.......

seeker Thu 21-Mar-13 10:57:11

Which is why, incidentally, that there are always people who have "known" it was going to happen when one does.........

There is one time where if I'd trusted reason or sense abve my instincts, I wouldn't be here now. There are indeed times when insticts should be listened to.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Thu 21-Mar-13 10:58:51

Trusting your instincts is not the same thing.

I don't claim that my instincts are coming to me from my indian spirit guide.

Instincts are your animal self preservation things, generally. That little voice inside you that warns you of danger. It's also the non verbal clues you pick up without even realising it that warn you that someone is a liar or an arse.

Your argument actually more supports that psychics are a load of bollocks than that they're really getting the voice of your dear departed auntie hilda who wants you to have that bit of jewelry you used to like.

Lueji Thu 21-Mar-13 11:34:49

scottishmummy Obviously the author ( a former Cambridge fellow and well known biologist ) did consider the hearing and smell issues. He designed the experiments to rule out those factors.

I'm curious.
Did he give a cold to the dogs and blocked their ears?
Plus put them in floating or shaking platform?

How does one do the controls? hmm

complexnumber Thu 21-Mar-13 12:12:09

"Your argument actually more supports that psychics are a load of bollocks than that they're really getting the voice of your dear departed auntie hilda who wants you to have that bit of jewelry you used to like."

I'm not actually making any argument at all.

If asked, I would state that I would not necessarily trust instincts (which to me are feeling based uopn emotion rather than reason). And that I believe fortune-tellers are a load of bollocks, though possibly a bit of fun.

KobayashiMaru Thu 21-Mar-13 12:35:57

Instincts just means heuristic judgement. nothing woo about it in the slightest.

Jossysgiants Thu 21-Mar-13 12:47:06

lueji if I remember correctly the experiment was designed to monitor the activity of the dog at the moment the owner first had the intention to return home. For example, picking up their car keys in their office miles away, calling a taxi to take them home etc.

IntheFrame Thu 21-Mar-13 12:52:16

Lueji - The experiment showed the dogs were at the house door waiting 10 minutes before the owner showed up. It didn't matter if they could hear the car arriving or gate slamming as they were already at the door.

One dog would wait by the front door whenever it's owner left the office. Even when the owner left work earlier or later.

perplexedpirate Thu 21-Mar-13 13:02:55

Psychics are my absolute pet peeve, a bunch of manipulative charlatans making money/fame/whatever from vulnerable people's worry and grief. They are utterly immoral, and I include EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM in that.
So yes, YABU to spend your money perpetuating this grubby little industry.
Wouldn't you prefer to spend it on cocktails or a nice meal or a hairdo or something?

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Thu 21-Mar-13 13:32:38

Oh, sorry Complex. I thought you were making a point.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Thu 21-Mar-13 13:36:08

I did NOT mean that to sound bitchy. grin I meant it - I thought you were making a point. instinct=woo.woo=instinct.

<dies>
<gives Complex lottery numbers from beyond the grave>
grin

complexnumber Thu 21-Mar-13 13:43:34

ImTooHecsy.

You didn't sound at all bitchy! confused

Please do not die.

(but I'll take those lottery nos if you have wink.)

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Thu 21-Mar-13 13:53:29

oh good. phew. I feared it read a bit snotty, which wasn't my intention at all.

lottery numbers on saturday will be 7, 9, 23, 24, 30 and 32.

You're welcome.

grin

Lueji Thu 21-Mar-13 13:56:40

Not convinced about the dog experiments.
I'd have to run them myself. Were they independently verified?

OHforDUCKScake Thu 21-Mar-13 14:01:48

Im having my cards read tonight!

I take it with a big pinch of salt.

However, Im very much tied to the house because of my responsibilities and a very needy toddler. I have no social life (until he starts recovering more, could be another year or more), I never spend money on myself.

But the reading is self indulgent, its good fun, it can be funny, the lady is really lovely nice company and its all about me.

I dont rememeber much about the reading (I had one done about a year ago), I just like the rare indugence. smile

ComposHat Thu 21-Mar-13 18:25:43

Reminds me of one of my favourite jokes:

A bloke tells his friend that he has piles and needs to visit the Doctor.

His mate says, "don't do that, shove some tea leaves up your bum, it acts like a poultice and draws the piles out. Two weeks you'll be fine.!

So the bloke does this, dutiful shoves his used tealeaves up his arse every day for a fortnight, but the piles are no better. Eventually he thinks, sod it, I knew it was a load of rubbish, I'll do what I should have done in the first place, I'm going to the Doctors.

The Doctor invites him into the examination room and examines his anal region. After an examination the Doctor tells the bloke "I can tell you two things"

Firstly you have got piles

Secondly, you'll meet a tall dark stranger and go on a long journey.

scottishmummy Thu 21-Mar-13 18:34:58

Ach op so you wasted that money still it's funny story.the time you went a bit woo hoo
Just think you could have spent that at clinique counter,some nice goodies
But you spent it on a flaky burd who thinks she's got pow-ers

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